New Law Regarding Habitation License - Are we able to restore & live in our barn???
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
- in this video we will share our news wich we got from local architect and our lawyer regarding our barn .. can we start our work and will we be able to live there legale ????
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So that new law is actually good news, brings more possibilities for more people. It was about time too, many villages are being abandoned and need new people badly.
Hey guys, good news. Don't dwell on the past. Remember you are living the dream!..chill out for the weekend and hit the ground running next week.
Best of luck moving forward.👍👍
Well said! Thank you 🙏
This is fabulous for you both! I hope you have lots of wonderful moments!
Thanks so much! 😊
Hi guys you are doing really well we live in the Algarve and have been here off grid for 11 years trust me just carry on with your renovation move in and live in it and just wait for your habitation license. We did and it’s all worth it the only reason the habitation license will affect you in the end is if you want to sell or get insurance. The system in Portugal is so slow and to be honest makes yet country a lot of money from people like ourselves. Stay strong keep going it’s all worth the pain.
Thank you, we just tried to do everything in a way we were told to 😁 renovation started already 😁
Esta nueva ley ayudará a lo próximos a ir junto a vosotros.
Never dwell in the past. Onwards and upwards. You both can make all your dreams come true. Looking forward to the renovation. ❤❤
That's the plan! 👍😁
Going to watch G's cook video now. G you look like you were born on the tractor good to see you using it to.
so funny .. I was born in the hospital like normal people !!! I hope you understood my joke :) I do like to drive that tractor ;) and thank you for the compliment xxx G
I am so happy for your great news!!!! Now the real adventure begins!!!!
Can't wait! 😁🤩
Sounds like good news, onwards and upwards 👍👍
Well have to change our plans for the house but in general yes it’s great news 😁
keep doing what your lovely chickens are doing……just keep “clucking “along! Love you guys!
Then nothing will get done🤣 chickens just eat all day long 😁
Don't think too much, from now on everything will be alright. In a few month you will have a new house and will be very happy here in Portugal.
Brilliant advice 👍😁
Great to hear this news. May I suggest you get that information in writing before you start, from the Camara. I have been caught many times by being told something at an appointment with a govt office, then talking to another person in the same office who tells me something completely different. I went into see my local Camara in January, and they did not even know about the new habitation laws to tell me anything!! It is so inconsistent and variable in Portugal. And yes, things can take years and (literally) decades, even for the local portugueses
I know what you mean .. We do have our layer and I got her emails as confirmation
So pleased you have permission but understand your mixed emotions.. sending big hugs 💜🫂
🤗 thank you
Just found a youtube channel, new to me, called Cat Savvy Realty, the latest one discusses the changes you mention in the visit, not sure if you have seen it.
Thank you, we did watched that video 👍
❤ We hear your frustration but look at all you have achieved my lovelies whilst waiting! Keep looking forward and don't worry about what has passed, big hugs!
Thank you for your support! 🤗🙏
H yeah, that is great news if that is possible ❤
Yes and no 😁
Well I am looking forward to watching you build your dream...and the cooking video!
Awesome! Thank you! 😁
Well, what luck, in Spain it is still not possible to build a house on rustic land, the Portuguese are ahead of us in improvements
Atention you can not build a house! ! you can only renovate the existing house , respecting the existing size constrution plot. And respecting the existing building regulations, roof isolation , septic tank , electrics at the end must be signed by a certified electricitan.
@@meteospace3306 That's what I was talking about, renovating a shed is unthinkable in Spain
There is a big difference of building new, or renovating existing pre 1951 building 👍
Great stuff.. helpful for us as well. Greating from Alentejo
Glad it was helpful! 😁👍
Even Guthrie looks excited. It looks like you have already started gathering stones, can't wait to see how it comes along. ❤
We bought 4 truck loads of stone back in the summer 😁
It is good news that now you can go ahead with your plans. I do understand the frustration about not knowing this sooner. As you said everything happens for a reason and it its own time. We can only move forward not regret the past. You’ll be working harder than ever now. Congratulations!
So true! Need to concentrate now on renovating 👍😁
Great news.Best wishes you will be grand.Enjoy don't procrastinate.You have everything you need.The land, dog,cat, chickens and Gee 😂
Yes! Thank you for your great wishes 😁
Having just seen a video explaining the new law, because you applied pre new ruling you need to wait for a response . My understanding is if you were to apply now and they dont respond within the 120 days, planning is automatically granted. I would personally wait until you hear from the local camara .
128 days I think it is, but that applies to new build, or extensions of the existing building as I understand, anyways, the guy at land registry we spoke to deals with that sort of stuff and assured us that if we are not going to do anything silly we can go ahead and restore existing building
Fantastic news Guys!!!🎉🎉1🛠🛠
It definitely is! Will have to skip a few Portuguese classes to finish it on time 🤣😁
Some setbacks, some confusion, but nothing worth it is easy! You will get there- thanks for sharing!✊🏼
No doubt! We are getting closer to our goal day by day 👍😁
Such good news, so happy for you both... can't wait to see the upcoming renovations 🎉👏👍💯
Us too! Thank you 🙏 😁
So glad you can move forward to your goals. Love watching you both. And love the cooking channel too!
Yay! Thank you! 😁👍
Glad it all worked out in the end. But I can understand your frustration and hope you can move on and focus on the build and the future projects. Good luck 🎉🎉🎉
We too are so relieved to be honest, thanks 👍
That's great news guys!! Love it
Thank you, we are so happy to start renovation finally 👍😁
That is great news! So pleased for you both! Looking forward to the new programme of events! It was meant to be yours!❤️
Fiquei muito feliz de saber que agora já pode construir a sua casa. Tem muita lógica o senhor Andrew e Gi compraram essa propriedade agora é sua e pode fazer o que quiser com o que é seu só foi pena nao saber à mais tempo. Eu vou adorar fazer parte dos seus projetos.
God bless you both 🙏💙💚
We can’t wait to get started 😁
Practice speaking with each other....it will help you learn faster.
Yes we do it sometimes 😁
Thank you for your open attitude.
We try to be honest about things there in Portugal 👍
Wonderful news for you both, and for us as viewers, look forward to the videos 🎉🎉🎉
Thanks so much! 😊 soon there will be too many videos from us to cope with 🤣😁
Take it in, move forward, plane ahead and put into action and celebrate your success, looking forward seeing your progress for the next year or so, just a piece of advice make sure you don’t burn yourselves out, take time out at least one day off a week to rest and recharge.
That’s exactly what we are going to do! Thank you 🙏
Or 2 days off 😊
I think Make.Do.Grow will now advocate not to be consumed by work. 👍🏼
And allowing flexibility in project due dates greatly helps avoid enormous disappointment, disillusion, and burn out.
We are only aiming to move in until end of autumn, don’t think it’s going to be a problem or burn us out 😁
Perhaps the persons handling your paperwork knew the law change was in the wings and just procrastinated. Dont dwell on what you can't change, take a big breath, tomorrow is a new day. In the meantime, you have lived for a year on a beaufiful property, learned the land and the seasons, and entertained us well.
Very true, great project ahead we don’t need to look back 👍😁
Hi!!!!if you dont change the walls if the reno is inside and the in the roof !!!!!u may did it my friend!!!!we are kings in burocracy you have to wait 45 days in that time ypou fix the roof and all work inside !!!!!!!wish the best luck and do it anyway!!!and more to do something here the steps are you have to pay the architet the lowier teh papers rthe pens and so one your main gol is to fix it to live inside right so do it believe me nobody go there to see what you are doing
Yes we now know that 👍😁
It sounds GREAT - so excited for you two🌻🌻
Thanks so much!! It’s really excited times ahead 😁
congratulations about your great news about your starting renovating your home, please to see you making a stone circle around the rescued olive tree .
Thank you, we will put some nice soil for Olivia as well 😁
Awww 🌳🤗
I'm so happy for you, what has already happened you cannot change and I understand how upsetting it has been. So now, GET RENOVATING THAT BARN, 😂 I cannot wait to see what you do with it, it's gonna be amazing. Sending lots of love and good vibes to you both. Get knocking down and building and be in there for next Xmas wooo hoooo. Xxxx
That's the plan! From now on until its done is going to be a priority 👍😁
Delighted for you both, on your good news.🍾 🥂 Looking forward to the good works ahead. 🐈⬛🦙🦮
Thanks so much! 😊
You’re doing great, you’re both very engaging and I look forward to watching your progress.
Thank you 🙏 😁
Great news! As other's commented, I would want something in writing as well. The renovation begins...
If we were trying to expand or do any major changes then yes, would insist of getting something in writing, but we will only renovate it 👍
Great news, so happy for you that you can start after such a long wait. Love the plan of phase one, it would look stunning and prevent problems with that existing roof design.👍❤
That was the plan from the beginning 👍😁
Great news - looking forward to your progress for the next months to come :D
Thanks so much! 😊 us too 😁
Guys these are good news-be happy -keep walking..!!!
We will! Thank you 😁
That was great news, you can now move forward with all of renovations. I know about 22 measures on habitation are going to pass the parliament on Feb 16, to make it easier for people to buy, rent, renovate. You are on the right track, now the hard work can begin. All the best to you , you deserve it!
I did heard that there are some new laws coming at the beginning of March as well 👍
Before you start, I would get something in writing, EXACTLY what you can and cannot do, there is alot of confusion over this subject. and misconseptions happen, I wish you all the luck, take care you two.
Sometimes people don’t want to mess with that. I wouldn’t let that hold me back.
I don’t believe that official person would lie to us, we spend an hour talking and asking same questions again and again 😁
its very complicated,but you will get there,good luck guys
No doubts about it, thank you 🙏
Finally you guys got a good news I’m so excited for you guys and I can’t wait to see your results on the project thank you for sharing 👍👍🙏🙏👋👋🍻🍻
Thank you! We are excited as well 😁
For the construction of the main house ,are you limited by the law to respect certain type of construction ,stones etc,,,
We are free to renovate but unfortunately can’t build or extend current footprint of the barn 👍
Great news looking forward to seeing the house going up
We can’t wait as well 😁👍
Good news if a little frustrating with delays. At
East the time you are having Portuguese lessons will be enforced rest from physical labour and you get to be Portuguese speakers which will make your life easier and richer. Good luck.❤❤
Yes finally! Portuguese lessons will be in the evenings luckily 🤣
this is great news guys, now you can start to build your dream house, its sad to see how buraucracy works, but it it what it is. just move forward and look at it all in a sunny way. love you guys. Greetings from Holland
We just gave up thinking about all that stuff, its better to direct your energy to the restoration 😁 thank you 🙏
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Great video guys and great news don't over think it focus on doing the renovation. I didn't realise you let G drive your tractor 😂😂 but at least she didn't hit the house like someone 😂😂😂😂 take care ❤
😂😂😂😂😂😂 when A read your comment laud I was in bits 🤭🤭🤭 High five ❤
She grabbed the keys when I was not looking! Even to hit the house you need to know how to do it properly! She’s not so advanced yet 😁
You need to be careful did you see how fast she going 😂😂😂😂
@@portugalitis 🤣🤣🤣
When I was editing that video I have increased the speed of that clip to 500% 🤣
That's great news!!! Good luck to you.
It definitely is, thank you 🙏
Hi, guys 👋🏼😊
Don't be upset or beat yourself up! Those laws just changed suddenly. Even in December, ppl ddnt know that the licensing laws were to change as it has on January 8th!
Go ahead and think and grieve. When you've gone through those phases of emotion, you can go go go with your renovations and rebuild 💪🏻👷🏻♂️💪🏻👷🏻♀️.
Good plan to work with your hands on your vines while you process thoights and talk 👍🏼.
(Last year, i subscribed to Savvy Cat channel to keep an ear open to moving/property advice and immigration/property law changes. You might find a similar info outlet that you like to help keep you i formed, too?)
Thank you! We did watched the same channel after someone recommended to us! 👍
I think, which makes sense to me, phase number one is to knock down that ruin, use the stones to raise a good strong foundation above the land level, then build straight and square insulated outside walls with windows using modern buildings supplies
I don't think you are allowed to just do that. You probably need some kind of license/permit for that. (will take again months and months to get that).
However repairing the structure (your own building) or renovating is normally no problem.
@@petervermeer.4904 I see it's all about bureaucracy then, but it's worth looking at it. I always believe restoring an old ruin is challenging, time and money consuming yet the final result usually not as expected 👍
That is not going to happen for one simple reason, we moved here to restore stone building, that is the reason we bought this property anyway
Congratulations guys! It was a long time coming, but you got there in the end!
Now the hard work begins 💪 😅😂😂😂
Good luck with everything, can't wait for your construction video's ❤
Thank you, I would say it’s more mentally exhausting than physically hard 😁
Congratulations, good news, onwards and upwards. I am so happy for you.
Thank you so much! 👍🤩
Good news. Lots of nice videos waiting for us 😂 enjoy the planning and good luck
Thank you! Yes there will be a lot to film 👍
Good luck on everything!
Thank you 🤗
hi guys,yes yes yes yes,when i started watching the vid i thought you had not got it,trouble with you guys you are to honest,every body else just get stuck in the wrong way but its done,you are not selling the property so dont tell anybody about the bore hole,chear up guys and lets see some building work guns blazing,its going to be fantastic,see you in next vid
Even we are not selling the property but to legalize it completely we will need a borehole certificate 👍😁
Hi from OZ...love you guys...always so keen..lots of energy...and language will help with the red tape !...it looks like good news to me...life is short...let's "Crack On" 😊
Hello 👋 yes we are definitely going to crack on from now 😁
I really understand your frustration. But now, that is in the past. It’s going to get exciting from now on.
(Bureaucracy in Australia is frustrating)
Don’t put too much pressure on yourselves. You are doing this for a better life, not to drive yourselves into the ground.
Love to you both❤️❤️🐨🐨🐶
Thank you Lorraine 🤗 you are right 😁
In South Africa when you register the borehole you have to license for an amount of water you are allowed to pump, not sure if that is the case there.👍
Here you have to apply for license before making borehole but there are no charges for the water, I heard stories that when you buy land with borehole made by municipality there is a fixed yearly payment for that, I think it was around €60
I injoy your content, good luck with the works!!!
Thank you 🙏
Moving forward, and making the home of your dreams! Andrius, take your frustrations out on knocking those bricks down!😂 Can't wait to watch this happen!🤩
That's the plan! Already bricks had suffered 🤣👍😁
Omg omg
You made G and guffey
Live in a caravan
When you could have pulled your finger out and finished the house for them!!😮
Legally
What you got to say for yourself?
❤❤love
😂😂😂😂
Best wishes
Alan
It was done on purpose to harden G and Guff and prepare them for real off grid life 🤣😁
All good
Finally 👍😁
Thanks for your vid 😇💟💟💟 Love and bless you guys, nice you can start building your house and make something beautiful 😍 we will be here to see every step.
Thank you very much ! It’s finally time to start 👍😁
hey it could be worse, you could live in the UK or USA
Exactly 🤣👍😁
Hi from NewZealand. Get rid of Eucalyptus trees are fire risk .
I do understand your concern as probably you seen lots of fires, but we only have few, and they are part of our tiny property
Great news but be careful you have it in writing it is exactly the same in Spain they are so slow with habitation licences if you don’t have it they could make you take it down it has happened in Spain. Take care.❤️❤️
Them old barns are allowed to restore, to expand or change the footprint is a different story
A harsh prune!! 😅
😂😂😂😂😂
You can’t called it slight prune can you? 🤣😁👍
It is understandable that you are a bit p**d off having waited so long for approval, but i think once the dust settles you will hopefully see that in fact it is a good thing.
You have managed to get all that work done over the last year and a bit behind you. The olive trees, the eucalyptus and the the house and grounds around it. I would say to you both, keep going as you are. Always great work done, a pleasure to see your videos every week.
Why not make Tuesdays and Thursdays your 'physical' rest days, you will need it with all the work ahead. 👍🏼
We try not to plan our rest days, we taking time off when feeling knackered 😁
Onwards and upwards!
Thats the only way 😁
You cannot change the past. Move forward, you have done so much already. Learning the language will be good for your ordering materials and speaking with the locals.
Very true! And without a language it’s very hard, I have never ever lived in a country were I couldn’t communicate with the locals, Portuguese will be our 4th language to learn 😁
Olá boa tarde parabéns pela conquista. Só falta plantar algumas frutas 🍉🍍🍌🥥 são deliciosas 🇧🇷
Thank you, regarding the trees probably will have to wait until autumn 👍😁
Geriau negalvot apie tai kas buvo,ka galejot padaryt ir pan. Tik nuotaika ir sveikata susigadina. Visalaik žiūrėkit i pazityvia puse! Kaip toj dainoj- Always look at the bright side of life. .. O pozityvus dalykas - Jus galit jau renovuot nama!!!🤓😎 Jei sunku psichologiškai, nekokia nuotaika,galit 1 kita apkabint, ar gyvuniukus paglostyt. Kaip ranka nuima😊
Viskas vyksta taip kaip ir turi vykti . Sekmes darbuose ir moksluose😉 Laukiam kito video🤓😉😉😉🤗🤗🤗
Kai isgirsti ta pirma karta kazkaip pariniesi, paskui pagalvoji nusispjauni ir eini dirbt 🤣😁
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BUT
you can't undo it ( as G says)......just move forward with you usual positive attitude & outlook
And WHEN you move in by winter, you'll more than likely be able to swear - fluently - in Portuguese as well😇😁😇
Even Guffy seemed to be out of sorts
Take care♥
😁 we already know some swear words, I think thats were you start with any language 🤣😁
Well should not be upsetting, the law was the law ! Fortunately Portugal realized that the system was not working properly in favor of citizens, so thats why the law changed .
We are leaving them regrets in the past, will concentrate on renovating now 😁👍
You think you wasted time for a year ?? You two did wonderful job with the land. I think what you did in a year is how things should go if you are planing to do farming. You get to know the soil, you start vegetable garden, you prune the trees and clear the land. At the end of the day, it's not totally unimportant in between what kind of walls you are living, but it's not the walls you will eat. Land can provide you with a house (with a lot of work and a bit of a good luck) not the opposite.
Very true, and it is what it is, now it’s a different stage began 😁👍
All about legalise stuff, lawyers, architects and government.
That all pulls a lot of people off.
Why even start when all takes years and all your savings.
Thats why all owners leave it isnt it.
Also extreme weather, hot and dry in summer and lots of rain and cold in winter. 😒🤐
All are leaving? Don’t think so, there are more and more people moving in from all over the world, cold in the winter? 🤣 well at least were we came from it’s not even close to call it cold 😁
@@portugalitis
Ok, what can be the lowest temperature in winter there ?
It can go below zero at night, but during the day it can go up to +20 Celsius
Oh oh ... I am a native Portuguese ... In my opinion dont start nothing before to have papers on your hand. Otherwise you are doing illegal things..
First papers , first housing license, building license ... If you dont do that you gonna live a real nightmare
Thats what I thought before speaking to an official who deals with all that stuff 😁
Well that is good news, remember it could be worse , and you also would need a new well, then G could start digging she is good with the shovel, and you Andrius could get in a crate of Sagres and watch her. 🤣🤣😂😂 you are doing ok take care Clive
That sagres thing sounds amazing not sure what G thinks about digging the well 🤣😁
These admin thing s happen to many people. Lots of admin s don't care about you. Your place property are beautiful.
To be honest I was always saying to people to get the lawyer, I think soon my attitude will change to “just do it, think less “ 😁
If your barn was built before 1950 then you need to go to the Camera and request a habitation license before you can make it habital and live in it. Your solicitor should have told you that when you were buying it.
Not entirely true, pre 1951 buildings are given habitation exception license 👍
Well I won't fall out over one year, but it is still something your lawyer should have informed you about. O and be prepared for a major downpour later in the week.@@portugalitis
@robertlee6479 there is no law regarding 1950 😁 it’s either 1951 or 1952 Im getting confused already 🤣 yeah rain is coming, shed foundations are almost drying out now, but I guess we got time🤣
Thanks again for sharing your progress on your journey, as always a joy to watch. You mentioned in the beginning of the video that you could legally live on the urban article because of the new law, but my question is if this in fact is due to your building being pre 1951 and registered? I wonder if the same would apply if the building and or house would be from a later date, do you know?
With new builds law is a bit complicated, what I meant is that we can restore our barn and live in it while all the papers are being sorted, but at the other hand, our neighbour who sold his property was build completely illegally, but took him a few years to legalize it 😁
I think it is wonderful news. I was afraid when you began to speak that you were going to say that they did not grant you the article. Quick question: Is this law change only for your municipality or is it a National law. I am so excited to see what you do with it. Adelante ! And you will get over it. Lots of love from Florida.
It national law, and at the beginning of March there will be even more changes to it, but it will mainly touch people who are renting out their properties 👍
I think the word is frustrated, I would be too. The first person I think of is the lawyer......😕
That’s exactly what I was thinking
The lady here explains the new law: ruclips.net/video/dD74UIr9jnc/видео.html
We did watch this video, thank you 🙏
I understood that work must be carried out by licenced portuguese builders, septic tanks require a licence , electrics must be done by a registered porruguese electrician. Maybe you can confirm this?
Renovation work can be carried out by anyone, well there are some things you have to know before you start, for example thickness of insulation under the roof has to be no less then 8cm electrics also you can do yourself but it has to be signed off by licensed person, septic needs a license 👍
Similar gov. red tape in the Philippines. We built a 200,000 Euro house in the province and never once had a building inspector come.
Just received out cert. of occupancy after living in the house for over a year. 🤣
Collecting money is more the objective.
Countries we lived in have much harder laws, if you do something illegally they will force you to take it down 😁
Can you please have a link to your wife’s cooking channel .
Hi 👋 youtube.com/@OffGridCookingBakingwithG?si=QX3z7N4CGX4PurGL 😁
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Hi - so when you bought the property it was all classed as rustic?
hello, yes it was all rustic now we changing to urban - building only
Como se llama el canal de cocina de G? Saludos desde Uruguay
Hello 👋 youtube.com/@OffGridCookingBakingwithG?si=igKNILfm5KDlX0s3
Hi , So happy for you! We also own a small property with a ruin in Monsanto and we were told to wait 45 days to have the "caderneta " then the land registry and the exemption of license from the council before we can start work. We are not in Pt. now so we didn't worry to much about this . But what you are saying is really grate news, if I understand correctly we don't need to wait until all that is done ? Ofc i will also check with out lawyer . Could you please let me know at which land registry did you check ? In Penamacor ?
Hi, thats exactly what we were told, when the guy in land registry office told us that we can start renovation, I asked a few more people like us, they renovated their properties without waiting for any paperwork, not sure why lawyers are saying that you can’t do it… well it’s Portugal everything is so confusing, and yes we went to Penamacor, just next to the financias office, not 100% sure but I think to avoid disappointment it’s better to book an appointment from the moment we emailed them appointment was issued in a few days 👍