WHY I (STILL) HATE MY LAND ROVER DISCOVERY 5 HSE LUXURY!
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- Опубликовано: 19 фев 2022
- I'm back again with my Land Rover discovery 5 hse luxury talking about 2 new major problems that have come up! One of the issues being one I thought I had missed but it's finally caught up with me....
My Land Rover Discovery has already had a new engine and now at less than 50k miles has started with 2 new issues.
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If you stand outside the car and put your arm in the drivers side and push the screen near the headliner, you WILL see it move. I work for a windscreen company and we replace around 5 a week in the two JLR dealer we do work for. The glass is coming away from the bond along the top edge.
Does it happen on the Discovery Sport as well?
To me as an outsider it’s just incredible how the Brits put up with such appalling poorly made cars from Land Rover and yet continue to support them. Engine failure, suspension issues, windscreen issues after just 47000 miles is completely unacceptable.
I agree, absolutley expensive junk, a lot of us hate them, i cant understand why people insist on paying premium price for crap. Could be a status thing.. more fool them
Totally agree. So you know it's a vehicle with many well documented major faults but you buy one anyway. Asking for trouble. Sorry, but no-one to blame but yourself for such a poor decision.
I hope this experience will teach you to buy with your head, not your heart.
They are atrociously built rubbish and I can not fathom why people keep on paying top dollar for them . It’s a status thing re the badge but there are so many superior alternatives out there from any of the Japanese of Korean brands .
People only buy Range/Land Rovers for one reason. STATUS. And they will do anything to maintain that status.
Iam in Jamaica laughing my ass off that was real talk all the Brits knows landrover r garbage mechanical wise electrical wise it's all bs they only drive them for (style) nothing else nobody doing all this complaining about Toyota handa nissan mazda Benz, BMW only landrover they r complaining about the guy landrover is leaking go hardware and buy some duck tape or stop leak lol
I encountered the same issue and Land Rover not only replaced the window rubber surround but they also fitted a brand new windscreen, which I was very grateful for as it was getting a bit sand blasted. They also acknowledged that the battery wasn't looking healthy (car was three years old) so they replaced that as well, even though I never requested it. Issues suck but it was nice to be treated the way I was treated and consequently I've ordered a new one.
👌🏻that’s great service
I absolutely LOVE mine… MY2019 and no issues. I treat it as a mobile skip with tonnes of logs thrown in the back or building rubble one day, then a wash and a quick vacuum and then off to Ascot. It will cruise at way over 70mph in comfort and quiet. I have the 310bhp 3ltr engine….I still have my old MY2004 Disco 2.5 and whilst that is creaking and had some chassis work for MOT recently, it’s like an old smelly dog and is just part of the family… of note neither have a sun roof 🤨
You got a good one! Probably built mid week.
Mate let me tell you my story.
Disco 5, hse 3.0 D. 40k miles no faults whatsoever, 48k miles, had an issue with the battery. Would wake up every day to a low battery almost completely dry ass battery. One miraculous day however…..
dead battery, car won’t turn on at all, tried jump starting didn’t work. When I eventually got in the car, the start stop button (believe me or not,) was flashing, whilst everything else was off.
Ok let’s take it for a service. I took it for a service at an approved Land Rover site. Substituted the factory LR battery to another one. Revised all the other stuff car working great again.
Then…….. the start stop button again flashing and almost draining my battery all over a day after the full service.
Called the LR mechanic and the approved Lr mechanic. Guess what they said, one said that there was nothing wrong with my car and the other tried to extort money off me by saying it was a software update issue or the cables from the centre console were chipped or whateva I obviously refused to accept that.z BULLSHIT!!!! Do not 100% trust LR mechanics, always take it for a second opinion or worst (which is the light at the end of tunnel) try fixing yourself first if nothing else works.
I manually software updated the car and began turning the start stop button off every single time I turned on the engine.
Guess what? So far the battery problem stopped.
Start stop is an enemy to any discovery, be careful with yours and stop using it.
My opinion about the extended warranty that you paid for, I don’t think they sort anything out for you, it’s the same situation with Tesla service issues. They are all rubbish and think they know our cars that we drive every single day for 1000s of miles better than we do.
Best of luck mate. Your disco is really gorgeous.
I don't know how they get away with wiggling out of warrenty claims, esepcially for such well documented issues. I hope you manage to get them to cover it 🤞
I know a barrister who spends 100% of his time rebuffing warranty claims for LR (or was, the last time I spoke to him)
Got it sorted on warranty!
Hi Doctor, sorry to hear of the many issues you have had with your Discovery, I don't own one, so can't give any advice or experience. I would say that they are all serious issues, on a vehicle that is relatively new, that is low mileage, I would be very disappointed if they weren't all fixed by a recall or covered by a £900 a year warranty!! As for the water leaking down the inside of the windscreen - This is a 4 year old, luxury off road vehicle, who on earth would consider this to be acceptable, especially when you have stated this is a common fault...
I hope you are able to get these issues sorted quickly with no extra expense to yourself👍👍
Had exactly the same problem with windshield at 4 years, also extended warranty- Dealership was absolutely no help and had to pay the full replacement cost around £840 . Like you I was not prepared to let it go and after days scrolling Internet found a Land Rover USA site which basically recalled for this problem ‘ LR Technical Note’ which actually included my Disco 5 VIN number in the range to be rectified. Wrote to LR Customer Service giving details etc and my experience with dealership and they agreed full refund ( very generously! ) - good luck, just don’t take the dealership advice at face value, as on numerous occasions since I had the vehicle from new, every issue seems to be a battle with them.
Hello. Could you share the site link?
I have a D5 2017 TVD6 first addition, purchased at 2 years old 20,000 miles. At 3 years old, exactly the the same leak occurred. If you pushed the windscreen from inside just infront of the roof rails you could see the screen lift by 3mm+. Landrover provided a loan vehicle. Car was then kept undercover for a week, whilst they got a replacement windscreen and fitted it. All done under warrantee.
Had a new windscreen on my 2017 disco 5. Also had water ingress into the rear lights and rear door.
All the work was done under warranty. Don’t let them get away with it. Good luck.
Hi Doc,
I bought my 1st Defender 90 brand new in 2014, as we left the main dealer excitedly to drive home it started raining heavily, I got on the A12 in Essex near to where I used to live and the water started p*ssing in through the drivers side rear window.
I long story short, Land Rover had my Defender more in the 3 years I owned it than I did, and that is NOT an exaggeration, they even took the whole side of the car off, de bonded it, rebonded it and refitted it…..it still leaked like a sieve.
I feel you pain brother!!!!
Kind regards
Tony
I feel your pain.....had a 66 plate disco sport, panoramic roof started leaking. Took it back to the dealer, they couldn't find the leak but told me my windscreen was cracked. It wasn't cracked when I took it into them. Obviously they cracked it while looking at the panoramic roof.
Anyhoo, they told me the panoramic roof not covered under warranty. I investigated the issue, and it's a well known fault.
Disgusted with the dealer, this was the 3rd car I'd brought from them. I replaced the cracked windscreen and got rid of the disco. I love Discos, but I will never buy a JLR product ever again.
I have owned an X5 and Touareg both with sun roofs, they leak the same as Landrovers, the drainage pipes clog up and
have to be cleared. Not a big job to do and test about 30min, the dealers should check this as part of a 20k service, most don"t.
Had the same problem with my D3, most said it was a blocked sunroof drain, bit I didn't have a sun roof. Found a single thread on a forum about the roof body seam under the capping trim on the roof, couldn't see anything visible but a tiny bit of mastic to the factory gunk they put of panel seams, and hey presto, it works no more water coming from the top of the roof.
I purchased a brand new L/R (21 plate) last year, after 4,700 miles it had a major fuel leak and was recovered by the AA to a L/R main dealer, 6weeks later the D=deale rang and said that the vehicle was repaired BUT it needed a new engine, disgusted with the whole situation I told them to keep it, and will NEVER EVER go near a L/R again, I now own a Mercedes E class which is superb.
It’s simple, a large car needs a large engine. No matter how powerful a 2L engine is it will be under more stress as compared to a 3L due to the weight of the vehicle. Hence why you see 3L vehicles with higher mileage and outlive the 2L 4cyl
Hence my landcruiser has a 4.5 litre v8 TD
Teach it bro
People happily spend a fortune on a car, but then are not happy to pay £50 a month in VED, so we are where we are with these cars with highly tuned chocolate engines that are prone to sudden catastrophic failure.
lotsa issues here in Au with that engine too ruclips.net/video/44cIVBsBKYQ/видео.html&ab_channel=JebbreysJibberish @@dpd6401
@@dpd6401 Only to be followed by a fuel tanker.
Doc, Luxury and all the bells and whistles aside. Keep that old defender, it will outlive everything you own and still be cheaper to fix than all the tech heavy vehicles of today. The charm it gives is an added bonus. Just my opinion.
I do love my old defender 🙏🏼
I had a 2003 TD5 SE7 in Australia from new. Whilst many problems existed over time, more specifically, yes the windscreen leaked. It leaked from new, whilst under warranty, through the top RHS. Land Rover tried to seal it with silicon from the inside and behind the roof liner. After years of it continuing to leak I needed a windscreen replacement to repair a large stone chip. I discovered, the storm water was leaking through a joint in the metal between the roof and A pillar where the windscreen is sealed. I finally fixed the problem by repairing the metal folded joint and resealing (black adhesive sealant) in a new windscreen. After 30 years of owing land rovers, I now own Isuzu’s (NPR truck and Dmax) for better reliability and lower operating costs!
I have the same problem just a week ago with my 2016 evoque, the leaking windscreen. Took it to autoglass/kwik fit, the chap said this is a common problem on all land rover products, and it is not covered by land rover or your insurance. You have to pay out for it yourself. Ironically, mine is in the same place as yours.
They cover this in the US and Canada for most customers. Strange that they don’t in the UK
From what I've read about other manufacturers having similar problems the cause can be blocked drain holes in the sun roof, if no sun roof is fitted try running some 'Creeping Jack' sealant or similar around the top of the windshield seal, failing that hope for a cracked windscreen then you can claim off your insurance for a new one at low cost.
Love my 2008 Discovery 3 SE V8 will never giver her up I'm at 88k miles and keeps on rolling 🇬🇧 🍻
Hi Doc we got the windscreen replaced under goodwill. Took about 2 weeks but dealer argued our case with LR. All good now.
Should be good will rather than warranty. Hope that helps
our windscreen leaked on our 2019 Disco at 18k miles. Land rover usa had a recall and replaced our windscreen completely for free! Apparently the glue used for the glass disintegrates over time. Other than that, no problems so far!
Worth a check that the drain holes on your sunroof are clear. Must admit, this related back to 1995 Peugeot 306, but I vowed never to buy a car again with an openable sunroof. If you need a windshield reseal, you can check if you have a leak by getting air compressor and blowing air around the seal. Listen inside for whistling noise (again my experience relates to a replacement window that was incorrectly sealed). This should guide you to the failed seal location. The only remedy is window removal and reseal. Most window companies will be able to remove for you and refit for you, but they will not guarantee that they will not break the window. Good luck. Chin up, you will get there.
I can’t believe how they still have oil leaks and other small issues in a modern era
Bummer. I still have my LR3, it's fantastic and functional. V8 version.
I have one too, as far as land rovers go no other is as reliable. The 4.4L is very reliable lots of examples with hundreds of thousands of miles. Issues in the LR3 tend to involve the suspension, it's a heavy car, and britishisms lots of random things fail but it generally won't strand you.
Shocking number of faults! I think if it was mine it would've been on Autotrader months ago.
🤦🏼♂️
He cant hes got it on credit,.
Have I?!
I would wager a specialist Dr. Has the means to settle any outstanding finance if that is the case he could certainly sell if he wanted. Who knows maybe it’s 100% owned either way non of our business
Picked up a 48,000 mile 2016 Touareg yesterday, and so glad I did. I weighed-up the Discovery, Range Rover, X5, Grand Cherokee, Land Cruiser and Audi Q7, and it came down to a choice between the Land Cruiser and Touareg. (Couldn't find a Land Cruiser at the right mileage/price.) The Land Rover products were out of the running fairly quickly after I started seeing too many horror stories similar to yours. I hope they do the decent thing and start looking after their customers a bit better . . . . and maybe even address their quality issues, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
I've got a '68 plate' Land Rover Discovery 5 HSE Luxury. I was contacted just before Christmas by Guy Salmon, the Land Rover Dealership in Bristol, who said that the window issue was a Land Rover recall item and that they would book it in anytime I wanted.
I had to involveTrading Standards to get my Land Rover dealership in Leicestershire to accept they needed to deal with the issues of fuel leakage onto the road wheels on my 2 year old discovery. They tried to make out it was a gesture of good will until Trading Standards pointed out it was actually a legal requirement they sorted it out.
I was considering a defender a year ago, ended up buying a MB GLE 350 . im lucky I have an old pickup truck also . I hate hearing about your troubles- it is such a great looking vehicle. I hope you get good news. ~ JDS/CT
Did the same but bought a GLE 350 de hybrid version…..50mpg, 55 miles on electric and no problem’s whatsoever……fingers crossed!
I had the same problem with my D5 HSE Lux Si6 at 4yrs old. First of all, best thing is to use LR Assistance as they get it in straight away and provide a hire car. LR said the same thing about water ingress not being covered by warranty and talked about good will gestures. I made it very clear that I had no intention to pay for what is clearly a well documented manufacturing defect. After 2 weeks of discussions, LR UK covered all of the costs to replace at over £1k. Overall, my D5 has spent about 20% of it's life at the dealership and so extending the warranty is an absolute must!
My 2019 D5 had ongoing inner condensation issues rather than leaks from new. I had a replacement windscreen under warranty but the problem remained, really bad in the winter months. I managed to arrange to return the vehicle and had all my money back. I then purchased a replacement 2022/23 year model, mild hybrid, which I have had for just over a year. Fabulous vehicle, so much more economical and super performance. During this recent cold weather I was dismayed to find masses of water droplets on the inner front screen forming overnight. Discussions with dealership starting today......
I have a 2019 D5 as well with windshield leak. Having it replaced this week but I'm sure it will continue to leak. How did you arrange to get your money back? I bought used CPO.
Amazing isn’t it that after so many decades of making cars, they still have such a basic problem. Junk warranty. So glad I got rid of my RRS when I did. Money pit
My aunt has a Disco 5 from 2016,only had 1 fault and that is that the turbo went out at 257.000km,everything else is like brand new,they bought it new for 60k euros.
Had a 3 litre HSE Lux. Great car but land rover would not honour warranty claims in the first three years. All wheels were badly tarnished but more worryingly selecting drive on the gear knob sometimes defaulted to Sport so you would drive away with a cold engine with the gearbox stuck in first! LR said can’t replicate it so no action taken.
Knowing gearbox problems can be expensive I changed to Lexus 450h. At 77 I don’t want to be in a lay-by waiting rescue.
D5 is a great car - wish it was made by Lexus.
Absolutely love the '5' ... but so much better in D300 form.
Sorry to hear it. Anyway, good luck with warranty repair I hope LR will pay 100% of repair cost. I love LR cars, but technical issues and problems with warranty in Poland are stopping me to buy one.
My 2019 D5 was at the local dealers in December for a service. The service manager told me that LR were running a campaign to check the windscreen seal and that mine would be checked while it was in. Just another issue in the list of ‘known faults’.
Not only are the cars not fit for purpose but neither is the company. Had a new screen fitted to my Wolf this week. In the workshop was a D5 for a screen replacement (£600). The fitters said they’ve done dozens & fit them for toffee. One was brand new parked outside in a compound and had three inches of water inside. The entire interior had to be removed. Utter garbage.
Please don’t leave this leaking windscreen for long. We have 2019 disco 5 HSE. During the later part of lockdown we noticed the passenger window started misting up and and then the footwell was wet on the passenger side (front). Booked into landrover and they took the car and the leaking windscreen had somehow corroded the full/main wiring harness (I apologise if I haven’t got the name correct) this was a full interior out and required a back order as the part is assigned to the chassis of only new cars. We didn’t see the car for 4 months. Thankfully under warranty they covered all costs and used landrover assist to keep us mobile. We where given a disco 5 the same as yours for 2 months (hse luxury) and a RRS for the other 2 months. Please get this looked at straight away.
I had a Range Rover sport Sdv6 HSE from new in 2015…..after 5 years, 55k miles and a number of electrical and engine faults, I sold it as the extended warranty ran out…..I was too nervous to risk it any longer so bought a new Mercedes 350 GLE de hybrid and after nearly 12 months not a single fault! I now get nearly 50 mpg and 50 ish miles on a full charge…..I sleep better these days….
Are those issues also present in the sport version?
Hi I need your opinion. I am thinking of buying Land Rover discovery probably from 2016 to 2019 reg and it will be definitely over 100k miles . Is this good idea ?
Sorry to hear about your windscreen and suspension issue. Hope you can argue your case successfully for full payment.
how new engine performing? I just had mine replaced and it didn’t even last 600 miles 😢
Sorry, seemingly, ultraviolet light degrades the adhesive, so the replacement screen has a wider tinted area to keep the light out. Don't just get it re-sealed
Dougie from Edinburgh
In Australia we have a saying.
' if you you want to go bush, take a Land Rover'
If you need to get back again, take a Land Cruiser' !
I’m very sorry that is happening to you. I had an A/C leak in my RR that puddled on the floor and it was a big ordeal to finally get it fixed. I still worry that it will come back. I hope they get that all sorted out for you.
Thanks Jerry- to be fair they did!
Same windshield problem! Same thing happened on my Disco 2 as well. JLR also claimed it wasn’t under warranty.
sold my SD4 without any issues luckily and always had extended warranty, if you sold yours what would you get?
I feel for you, nothing worse than a leaky screen. It’s shocking that the approved warranty is £900 a year. It should cover everything at that cost. 😡
I had the samd problem on a wait for it a 1982 ford capri i know its not a LR but after months of searching it was a leak around the sunroof gutter within the roof. Hope this helps. You might also find that the extended warranty only covers this thatLR know wont fail.
Hi doc. Check the roof rail mounting positions. Pre drilled holes in the roof regardless if you have roof rails. These holes are covered with tape from the factory and then covered with trim. The tape eventually degrades. Good luck
I had my 2017 discover HSE for just about a month when I bought it last March 2021. 40k miles on the clock. Started small and it then got way worse in Colorado snow and rain. They quickly ordered me a windscreen asap took about 3 weeks to come in but I took it in and they gave me a temporary solution.
The windscreen was covered under a “manufacturing recall” and completely covered by Land Rover.
I’ve had my 2017 for a year starting March 1 of last year and in 1 year I’ve put 25k miles on it just had my 65k service. Oil changes and that’s pretty much it so far. I’ve been fortunate. I have the SCV6.
That's the ford/Jaguar engine they don't as have many problems, the 2L ingenium diesel is known to be nightmare. The rest of the car remains to be seen but that V6 motor is pretty good.
@@shaunbava1801 ahhh got ya
I have had water ingress issues in the past but on different vehicles, and often it was down to the Sunroof drain which runs down the inside of the A-Pillar become blocked with debris. This can usually be fixed with forcing high pressure air down the channel and clearing it. I might be barking up the wrong tree here, but it might be worth a try.
That issue is EXTREMELY common in discovery 3/LR3's. Mine had a small pool in the passenger footwell. I was thinking it was the tubes but I checked with the horoscope and the lines were fine blew out the drains with compressed air and no more leak.
Hi, I think I messaged you before as I had a 2.0L 2018 D5, the engine failed after 21k and got two new turbos on warranty. Amongst other issues was DEF sensor, a broken rear passenger speaker and the final straw for me was exactly what you have experienced... After heavy rainfall I got in the car and the drinks holder was full of water.. fast forward a week I looked under the driver mat and it was soaked. Water was literally coming in and dripping on me if I drove through a puddle! THEN.. the hazard lights starting to come on intermittently and couldn't be switched off.. the was the start of the end for me and the beloved D5. To stop the battery draining AA assist advised me to disconnect the battery when the car wasn't in use! In the meantime I had to wait 2 weeks for the official dealer to confirm that LR would pay for all the work (windscreen replacement, new carpets and dash insulation). The dealer also said they couldn't find any error codes or issues with electronics which was obviously not true! I did have an extended warranty, but a claim was not needed. However, although the work was done, I have since offloaded the car back to Peter Vardy as I have no way of knowing what issues and gremlins the water ingress will have caused (the water is probably still in the car rotting the chassis and damaging electric terminals?!). I wanted long term reliable ownership and unfortunately the Discovery cannot offer me this.. the dealer did a good p/x price due to my issues. They also gave me free servicing & money off a new Defender. I am now 5 months away from getting a 3L 110 SE and fingers crossed no issues in that
@Outdoor and Offroad, Glad to hear they took the vehicle back and gave you a good PX, who knows what other issues may occur as a result once the warranty has ended that would cost you ££££😧😡
Hopefully they don’t sell that car to someone else.
So you have chosen to learn the hard way
Why have you chosen to learn the hard way?
Out of the frying pan into the fire, im afraid to say. The 3l cranks snap. Happy motoring
My wife 2019 Disco HSE about 20Thousand miles windshield leakage from the driver side and LR corp knows about the issue and when I spoke to the Dealership they told me it’s common with the sealant they laid the windshield on. So I’m sure the warranty will cover it since it’s a manufactory defect and LR know they used the adhesive by not putting enough or the wrong kind.
Got it covered in the end! Thanks for your insight 👌🏻👌🏻
I had the leaking windscreen on my my19 D5. LR assist came out and taped the screen up. They sent a windscreen fitter out to refit the screen. He showed me gaps around the screen where the sealant was missing. It's very much a manufacturer defect which LR should rectify. I got rid of my D5 and gone back to a my16 D4.
M
Same car Disco 5 HSE lux 2L - windscreen leak at 2-3 years old replaced by dealer under warranty…. No other major problems so feeling lucky !
I have been looking at buying a Disco 5 as I have been Landy customer for years with the odd issues which have been dealt with but Leaking windscreen issue does put me off .I had this same problem with a Subaru a few years ago.but I will keep looking and bypass the D5.
If you used it off road all the time you would perhaps expect certain issues that you have encountered
Unfortunately these vehicles are expensive to run and if you only use it on the road then it says a lot about the poor build quality!
I personally love it when the service manager says it’s something he’s never encountered before 🤔😂😂😂
Good luck with it!!!
My Discovery 2 V8 was a great town/country car in the day but non schedule repairs were frequent and expensive. I moved to Mercedes which I view as cheap to run VS LR vehicles. I still look at the new sleek and capable Discos, the base Defender but I won’t risk being a LR owner again. My dad told me long ago: a Range Rover is a great way to see the Aussie outback, but you’ll need a Land Cruiser to get back home. Informative video.
My 2017 Discover HSE has the leak. I've tried putting windshield sealer, then silicone sealer, it just keeps getting worse. Tape didn't help at all.
Which 7 seater SUV should I buy? I was strongly considering the discovery.
I currently have 7 seat X5 60 plate, I’ve had no mechanical issues. Just a couple recalls and rear inner tail light gone.
I love the D5 but have had a few problems with it- I would get one in warranty- it’s is the best 7 seater on the market- I think the GLS is probably the other competitor for size
There is a technical bulletin for discovery 5’s windscreens leaking also extended warranty should cover it ?
Did get covered in the end!
2008 Freelander 2 SE 162k Miles, only things recently alternator bearing and handbrake pivot seized.12 years of happy ownership.
I had an LR3, and absolutely loved it. I want a Dicsco 5, but the faults and problems scare me. Until quality control is fixed on these expensive vehicles, I'll have to wait. I love the styling and capabilities of the vehicle!
Same issue leaking sunroof. Garage cant find where, cleaned drains but no result.
It’s the seals around the glass that go I think
We've had the water leak on our 2017 Discovery....twice. First one was replaced under the warranty period in 2019. Then it failed again in 2021, a few months out of warranty. Thankfully my service advisor worked with Land Rover of North America, and they covered the replacement as a "goodwill" since it failed again in under 2 years. So far it's okay, but I don't have much confidence that the fix will be permanent.
Unfortunately, what they say is true about JLR products being poorly engineered and unreliable. At least the other issues I've encountered, I've been able to repair myself, but for those who don't have the means to DIY, these are absolute money pits. It's a pity because when the car works well, our family loves it.
So true- when it’s all working it’s the best car.
Doesn’t sound good your windscreen going twice! Hope mine doesn’t fail again
My car had the leaking windscreen on day 3 of ownership. "Gesture of goodwill", are they kidding me, my Disco 3 is 15 years old and the windscreen has never been replaced nor has it leaked, that's a defect plain and simple even without a warranty they should replace it for you. It was a nightmare in my case caused all kinds of electronic issues(stereo went silent, it used to randomly throw errors like "low tyre pressure" that would jump between all 4 tyre and eventually disappear, the gear shifter would intermittently refuse to rise, and on occasion it would throw fantom DEF errors) resulting in LRNA buying the car back.
I don't know what TATA is doing but my disco 3 was quite reliable it was a good 4-5 years before anything broke which is what you expect in a modern car. I bought the 5 when when 3 started acting up, somehow I drove the 3 more than the 5 because the 5 spent hundreds of days in service, waiting for parts. It is a shame as it was a great car when it worked, but really you should expect more for the premium price paid. Bought a Hyundai palisade which so far has been good, it's 20 grand less, drives alright, has a plush interior, has a LONG warranty, is absolutely massive inside, and has a decent AWD system(not it's not a LR but the 5 was nowhere near as good as the 3 mostly because of 20in wheels and the factory tires vs. AT 18's on the 3).
Does seem
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The older ones were better built
Did the body start cracking behind the wheel arches yet?
No…
In my opinion the reason the engine block cracked is because this little motor is working too hard to move this big vehicle. The DIscovery 2 had the same issue with the 2.5 Litre BMW engine, mine had a cracked block & my younger brothers 130 Defender with the same engine completely failed, over worked small Diesel engines in large 4x4’s will always fail, in my opinion! Landrover tried to sell me one of these with a 2 Litre motor Disco’s, I refused & told Landrover that this exact failure would occur, again this is why I changed to the 79 dual cab Landcruiser instead, as I’ve mentioned before on your channel.
I did have the same leak-2018 TD6. I had the same drama with the dealership and the land rover customer service.
The problem is that JLR have such a high number and value of warranty claims that their service engineers put pressure on dealers to reject as many warranty claims as possible, even when they are obviously liable for supplying faulty and substandard goods that are not well enough developed.
Looks like land rover are keeping the old defender "quirks" alive in the new disco models
😂
You should know, with the engine problem that most dealers blame misfuel, its a standard thing to do, people's Ford did the same with my 3 month old Galaxy forcing me to claim on my own insurance rather than warranty (I knew I hadn't misfueled), they then said contaminated diesel, after, £1500 worth of work the insurance refused to pay as the diesel sample they took was fine.
Good video and great honest information!
Thanks!
I Bought a brand new discovery sport 7 seater September 2020 and it completely broken down, luckily of the motorway 1 week after purchase. No one could help me push this vehicle of the road, not even AA or even jump start it as it’s a hybrid. It took numerous road users to push this vehicle of the road safety. Only the Land Rover mechanic can assist if it breaks down not AA. It’s been recalled back more times than I can even recall. The gear box has been replaced, electrical fire 🔥 recall, the petrol tank has been replaced and numerous computer issues recall. I have been in more replacement vehicles than my own purchased vehicle. I have never enjoyed driving it as a warning ⚠️ sign always flashes up. It’s been in the garage for the last 2 months since Febuary 2022 and I was given 100% re-assurance all service was done and it’s safe to drive. Within 12 hours, it’s flashing service required.
The lookers Land Rover and the manufactures and dealership are a real nightmare to work with. It’s a really sad situation be in after purchasing this vehicle brand new for £41,968.80 in September 2020. Currently it’s being referred to the Ombudsman.
Sounds like you have had a nightmare!
Great video! I have the same issue occur 3 times on my D5. The official service guide says that the windscreen adhesive needs to be replaced when a car comes in with this issue. I have also heard that you can park with the nose of the car pointed up hill to help stop the leaking. Hope this helps if Landrover takes too long.
Cheers!
Yep! Both sunroof and windscreen had to be reset. 2018 HSE
There needs to be a class action law suit. I also had an engine failure on my 2017 Discovery 3.0 L HSE Lux. Land Rover originally said they would pay 40% of a new engine, but later backed out with the only reason given was I was the second owner. I bought the car while it was still under warranty. I hate Land Rover! Horrible example of a luxury car manufacturer!
I’ve had a similar experience with a Jaguar XF.
3 months out of warranty the engine blew up and JLR would not yield.
And that was AFTER over £10k of other repairs.
I cannot believe I’m only here because I was thinking of another JLR car.
All good, though.
I’ve come to my senses.
Good luck I hope you are successful with your negotiations. I've always fancied a Land Rover/ Range Rover but never had the courage to buy one. Many of my friends and family have taken the plunge. However their experiences with reliability and build quality have always put me off. I still think they look fantastic though. Great post, very informative.
Careful that tape doesn’t take any of the paint off!
I had a leaking windscreen on my D4 took it to a windscreen specialist and they removed the glass without breaking it and told me the sealant they used in the factory was crap. They cleaned it all up and redid the sealant and fitted it back in. They did a fantastic job and it never leaked again. not saying it the same with the D5, just my experience.
Maybe a rolled up sheet of kitchen roll in the bottom corner of the windscreen to collect the water so it get into the dashboard and electrics for now ? I use a bucket in my TD5 ......
I have a LR4 2017 low mileage top of the range 3.0TDV6. I absolutely love the car and space. But in the last two years I’ve had leaking sunroof which would fill the footwells, new alternator and pulleys and the final straw crankshaft failure causing catastrophic engine failure. In total it’s cost me £10k+ in two years. I would love a LR5 but it seems they haven’t improved things.
Hi thanks for sharing your experience. From my personal point of view, it is of incredable value, to publish such issues of bad quality - both jn terms of manufacturer skills and aftersales- service. The windscreen of my Series Land Rovers and my Discovery 1 300TDi are waterproof. Only the Series vehicles collect water at the A-posts and roofs-rails through the door seals. It must be a kind of extraordinary intuition to construct a premium car, with a glued-in windscreen, which lets water in. Nowadays, it is hard to decide, which car to buy best in terms of reliability and longevity.
Go for Lexus. Very reliable and less worries.
MERCEDES.
@@jeancolinplummer3547 lol
@@jeancolinplummer3547 Some years ago, I bought a MB207D (1979) van in 1984 and converted it to a camper-van. Despite the fact, that this van accompanied us for about 20 years, MB convinced us to never buy such a car again. I bought with 110ooo km on the clock and the 3rd rear axle, due to diff failures. I saw some rust spots and treated them with an angle-grinder, got the hood and fronters hot-dip-zinc-coated etc. etc. I never got rid of the rust through all the years, exhanged all the doors ... At 120.000, so only 10.000 km in our ownership, the timing-chain broke. There still rumours, that OM616 engines last for ever (lol), at least taxi-drivers do 1.000.000 km without having any major failures. So we decided for a genuine MB engine on an exchange basis. 80.000 kms laters, the engine shows come signs of weekness again. Became hot on long slopes, struggled to get up the hills etc. ... In the, I sold the van to a Mercedes fan. From my personal point of view and experience with passenger cars of different brands, we buy a Toyota as daily driver.
Suspension arm is never replaced by the warranty unless it’s a very common or dangerous issue. Suspension can go bad if you off-road it all the time. They must cover the windshield.
It was covered on mine in the end!
I wrote to you before. Same windscreen issue. JLR admitted it was a manufacturing fault and would be replaced. Dealership just stuck the same screen back in. I really don't know how they get away with their attitude to customers or why people keep buying their products. I hope you get the known manufacturing fault fixed under the warranty as you are entitled to. H
Heh doc, feel for you. Absolutely love the Land Rover brand and have been dwelling on the subject of what will be my next car having had the original RR Sport. Was thinking coming back to the brand with either one of these the RR Sport or even the big RR, safe to say there is absolutely no chance that I’m going to with the high probability of issues, just doesn’t make sense…. What a shame!
Really wanted a Disco sport for 7 seats, space & go anywhere. But LR reliability is an issue.
Having had a couple of discoveries the TD5 Landmark and then the HSE Discovery3....my Discovery 3 had the age old Water Leak problem coming in through the interior light above centre dashbord..Really surprised Land Rover not fixed this issue over time.Mine was a 2005 model.sad to hear this issue still remains 12/13 years on in newer models.
That said I loved my Discovery 3....but these niggles would put me off buying another Discovery.
Yeah seems to be an issues in all generations- all sorted now though and Land Rover sorted it FOC which was great
Build issue shell stress from front suspension fighting against road and rear suspension, that and modern windscreens are now used as shell support but are super thin as they can get away on weight saving.
Have a disco 5 first edition. 2017. Windscreen leaked in 2020. Cost £4500 to repair as water flooded the electronics under the seat. The DAB radio and amplifier needed replacing. Not in warranty. Still have the car as it’s a petrol 3.0 and it only has 30k miles on it. I love the car but it’s super painful when something goes wrong.
Had exactly same fault on 2015 d4, had it 5 years was a beautiful nightmare , could never rely on it , wishbones went , airbags fault , previously had a Nissan terrano for 20 years apart from a replacement clutch it was indestructible
Hi Doc the tape you have stuck over the A-pillar is blocking the drain holes from the front sun-roof. if these are blocked you will get water come over the channel around thes sun-roof and into the car.
Hi. We have had the same issue with our windscreen. In the end we took it to national windscreens who removed the screen and rebonded it. The inside of the car was really wet and we did have concerns about water damaging electrics. The only issue is that the windscreen houses other electronic/ camera for AEB. that system had to be recalibrated. So in total 120 + vat for the rebond and 180 + vat for recalibration….. now we have a warning light for the AEB NOT WORKING😡😡😡 And now the damn car won’t start…. A local garage ( we don’t have a land rover garage on the Isle of Wight) has checked the battery ( only 11 months old) and the alternator and they have put it on the diagnostic machine and can find nothing wrong… so the car is now stuck at the garage, won’t start and no one can help…. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THIS COULD BE? I’m at my wits end with this heap of trash….
I’ve currently got a starting issue- it’s been with Land Rover for 4 months with no ETA on parts. They are replacing the wiring harness under the front left wheel…
I test drove a friends Disco 4 recently. Hadn’t realised it had x3 engine rebuilds.. Lovely drive but I was so afraid of buying a problem car. Would love to own one but my head is ruling my heart.
3 is a lot!
@@thedoctorsgarage A sorry tale of incompetence, calamity and no doubt some exuberance sprinkled in for good measure. Also the commercial variant so not really a family tourer.
Hi Doc, my 2018 D5 with 6500 miles on clock has started to let in water in exactly the same place as yours, but on nearside. {damp below sunvisor and top of pillar near air bag} . Also had battery and earth issues has you have had. Had to have new wiring harness 12months ago which I now think was caused by water ingress. I asked local dealership if water could have caused a problem. They said that problems of water ingress in previous models had been sorted and everything was fine. Hoping to replace this car with an BMW X3 ASAP.
We had a BMW 645 tiptronic gearbox thoughts engine management plastic expansion vessel ECU problems due to ECU being located under the disordered bonnet close sunroof in the end got fed up with it paying through the nose I think Mercedes are mostly the same Peugeot are also crap they are cynical bastards all I want it's the last until the end of the Warranty or lease then you are the puppy and unfortunately there are sick puppy in a lot of cases every bill seems to be £1,000 stupid emission systems putting exhaust gases into combustion area which very often clog at piston rings destroy cylinder heads that's without the amount of appallingly badly made plastic and cooling systems I think the manufacturers should all be in court disgusted glad 4 the day that I just need a push bike because I won't be able to afford a 30 grand Plus milk float
Yes we had two engine replacements and a leaking sunroof, the full caboodle in under 12 months. Eventually LR replaced the car.
That’s good going in 12months!
Front Windscreen water leakage occurred to me too at 35000 km I guess direct sunshine causes it -fixed with warranty
Love Land Rover. Had 12 over the past 35 years and loved them all. Never had an issue right from series vehicles up to the latest D5. If you don’t like them, then buy a faceless Jerry can or a Bland Cruiser. I’ll stick with the best.