AMD R9 Nano - Explained
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They killed it while in the uterus with that price tag though.
IKR. This was AMDs one chance to step up again after their relapse but they blew it.
+legendray2008 But there is no other gpu that has the same performance while being this small.
+Raptor Jesus The FuryX is priced similarly and performs better, and don't worry, the 120 rad can fit in most cases out there. Not that it's appealing to me, I actually don't like it because it's expensive. Even the 980 ti which is the king of video cards at this time, just forget about the Titan X, can fit in small cases in certain configurations. So why on earth would I be interested in paying the same amount for this Nano and settle for less performance?! I'd digest it for $475- $525. Clearly AMD is having some tough times right now on all frontiers.
+legendray2008 It's a new product. The intention is not to make the most money, it is to spread the most awareness and get as much information as possible before kicking it into high gear for the 2nd or 3rd Generation.
+legendray2008 It's designed to be the best small form factor GPU though. I would imagine this kind of thing will be very popular in extreme HTPC rigs.
Well no shit the fury nano is 30% faster then the 970 mini. $300 different so it better be faster just saying.
Lmaoo that's what I thought
Daniel Burgos Right like that is so stupid of amd to compare to the 970.
+TY STOE Performance wise it makes little sense when compared to the R9 Nano. Only reason it was chosen for basis of perf comparison is because of the size... not totally fair, but as an ITX card, it should be compared to other ITX offerings.
HardwareCanucks Yeah but $300 different? 970 mini probably still can overclock, unlike this fury nano.
+TY STOE You can't overclock a 970 mini to > 980 speed.
AMD R9 Nano Explained! All you need to know about this incredibly compact and powerful Fiji XT HBM GPU.
+HardwareCanucks Do you think there will ever be a Fury X2??
EDIT: As in dual-gpu. (R9 295x2)
+HardwareCanucks is that the intel box in the background?
+Amar Gandhi do you mean a fury x2 as in the 295x2? or a succesor to the fury x? if you mean a succesor, yes definetly.
MartGameFails As in 295x2. I heard some rumors...
Maybe is they put two Fury nanos together (yes, I know it's more complicated than that).
+Amar Gandhi Check out this video: ruclips.net/video/NZSq5i8lUJI/видео.html AMD is already working on a dual Fiji XT card :D
Wow Dmitry, always right on time with your reviews! ;D
+MrTechQc You know it :D
AMD needs to carve out nice niches like this. It's not the card for me but I can certainly see people wanting to buy this card over anything Nvidia is selling.
hahahaha
no
+Stan Velijev It would be perfect for me, since I have an ITX Bitfenix Prodigy with a R9 290. Because of the length of the card I can't put the hard drive tower inside. With this card it lets me do that again.
Swift They're not going to have any luck with actually trumping Nvidia on performance anytime in the near future, so yeah it's carve out niches like or compete on the high end and fail.
So hahahahah... yeah.
+Stan Velijev nvidia wins only with the 980ti and titan x, the 390 beats the 970, the 390x gets close to 980 (50$ less, kappa), 380 beats 960, 370 beats 750 ti, 370x might be equal to 950, amd wins in everything except the enthusias market... so yeah (sorry bad english, i learn it playing wow)
ElsK81 Sorry, you're right, AMD is very competitive in the budget and is about at parity in the midrange. I was mainly talking about high end performance in the previous post.
Unless you are buying some uber super small cases most newer small mini itx cases are specifically designed to accept cards in excess of 10 inches. I mean the FD Node 202 is TINY and it accepts 12 inch cards. I mean buying this card might open you up to some cases but it's not like we are limited in choice for small mini ITX cases that can accept giant cards.
AMD R9 NANO review will be published today, make sure to check back for all the performance numbers!
+HardwareCanucks really like ur videos:)
makes my day :D
I think small form factor is the future, honestly. AMD made a good move here. I think i'll be making my next mini atx an AMD chipset.:)
+Copix I agree. That price point though maybe the deciding factor for many system builders.
+Copix
A well desined SFF case can support a full sized GPU within the volume of an xbone, just look at the DAN A4 case.
+Copix Small form factor is not the future for raw performance. You will always have more room to give more oomph with a larger card than a smaller one. Also, you need a larger form factor motherboard to have SLI. Period.
the graphics cards are just getting bigger and bigger :(
Well well well good sir, you are a future teller.
Great video, one of your best!
I wonder if there a mini-itx case that can accommodate this card and a 12mm cpu cooler?
I wonder how many frams per secound this gives on max, also how hot it's going to be.
@HardwareCanucks Dimitry are you from germany?
actually i'm using the R9 380/2GB OC MSI Edition can you play tell me if i have possibility to do crossfire with Another R9 380 wich comme 4 GB of RAm
Is the fure plesent now or shoul i wait some moore A10 7850k. Pure Fury and rage
Right on time as usual :)
+hardwareCanucks should i just wait since all these cards do not support directx12 fully and wait for the next generation of amd cards that will? what are the benefits of full directx12 support and partial?
+Joharizan Khua who knows !! from the AOTS Dx12 benchmark it certainly seems like AMD is benefiting greatly from it.
I have an ITX system in a lian li pc tu-200 running a 650 for LANs. I may have found a nice upgrade for it depending on how thermals are on release.
+HEAVYISPY at least someone understands for whom these cards are.
AMD is slowly changing my mind about the parts i picked for my future build. I just might have to get one of these
I love HardwareCanucks!!
It would be interesting to compare R9 nano to a graphics card that's similarly priced, like the 980ti.
+efernandez2 Considering a slightly OCed 980 Ti beats the Fury X, there will be little chance for the R9 Nano to beat the 980 Ti. But stayed tuned for our full review in mid Sept to find out :D
+HardwareCanucks the reference 980 ti has roughly 2500GFLOPS less then the nano surely that makes a difference somewhere along the line
+hi9580 Yea, but game performance shows otherwise, with the 980 Ti beating most cards when OCed, even the Titan X which is insane for the price.
+hi9580 Well the early aots DX12 benchmark shows that DX12 does bring AMD cards closer to their theoretical compute power. I've even seen a benchmark where the 290X gets to within 2 fps of the 980Ti. If DX12 can use AMD's asynchronous shader architecture properly then the nano will probably rival the 980Ti or Titan X in some applications.
+Vijay Zakhiev yes, AMD cards will shine with DX12
I'm definitely interested in making a small form factor entertainment PC. first I need to build my gaming rig however!
It would have been helpful if you also included the 1080p frames per second scores. I have no plans to buy a 4K monitor in the near future and would rather see what the 1080p scores would do.
HardwareCanucks please do a review of the AKG K701/K702 !!!
I really like this form factor but I don't know of any cases that could really take advantage of it
This is probably a great choice for anyone building a Steam Box alternatives.
With the Fury line up, I just got so confused by all of them...So I stuck with what I knew and bought 2 AMD 390's from MSI, so its around the strength of the Fury/FuryX with double of the ram, its just not that fast ram.
oooo they launch on my birthday. might get one
Isn't the official pricing not released yet? Isn't the $650 the "leaked" price?
Hey +HardwareCanucks , I notice in your videos you seem to always list the US Prices from what I can tell. I know I'm just one person but would it be possible to but underneath the price you list a smaller text price for Canada? You are the Hardware *Canucks* after all :P
I like what I'm seeing, who doesn't love the underdog. I would consider this card for any small form factor case.
I've always liked the idea of getting as much power is to the smallest form possible if I had the money I would probably get this over other better preforming larger cards.
Just wondering, are they letting other companies mess with the card, like msi or gigabyte? This might make the card better and accept more power.
lol I love how the mini itx demo has an Intel stock cooler with the logo sticker ripped off.
This card is so small it wouldn't satisfy my girlfriend. Who am I kidding I don't have a gf *sobs in the corner* :((
+Top Skills I know that feel
does this card really make sense when there are literally dozens of mini and micro atx cases that support full sized graphics cards inside of their small form factor?
Dmitri could you please look into reviewing the Takstar Hi-2050 Studio Headphones? I've heard good things about them, and they're only $50! If such a reliable channel like you guys could please look at it, I'd be so happy! Thanks!
great video
Dimitri/Michael - any thoughts on the topic of review samples?
We learned in the last week that [H]ardOCP, TechReport, and TechPowerup all will not be receiving review samples. I'm going to guess however that HWCanucks did receive one - as you make no mention of that in the review :P
My guess is you do have one and you'll be posting them on Sept 10th/midnight.
Looking forward to the numbers!
That might sound weird but I wish 3rd party companies make so full size versions with higher TDP so it can basicaly be a non-watercooled Fury X because I really want one for my system but I don't like the looks, especially the stickers on the backplate
+Θοδωρής Μαύρος The Fury (non-X) is available, and is basically is non-watercooled fury with a little less performance.
AMD restricted the amount of board partners that could make different versions of the fury, which is why you don't see to many versions of the card.
I am aware of the Fury but it seems to me that a custom pcb Nano would be better than it.
***** So a Fury non-x, but with no cut-downs and an even better cooling system?
+shaneclarke995 heyy mi 390 g1 with the windforce cooler only have 2 fans :c
So what you're suggesting is AMD might bin the FijiXT cores based on ASIC quality for the Nano? From what I understand, higher ASIC quality would allow the same model GPU die to run cooler and more efficiently than one with lower ASIC quality. That would explain the lower TDP. EVGA just started doing the same binning process with the 980Ti Kingpin which they claim to be the first to do so.
I do hope they exceed in building op a descent stock this time,in west europe we are still hardly able to get our hands on furys and if so for a rediculously high price,
maybe with exception for germany.
Its an under-clocked Fury X that runs like a Fury at a smaller size (to fit in small PC), but same cost as a Fury X. SO in theory it runs cool and quiet. The innovation is the small PCB.
The only thing I keep think about is that, besides the radiator, the R9 FuryX is pretty small as well. I'm sure the FuryX wouldn't fit in some incredibly small builds, but I feel like it could fit in most. And considering that heat exhaustion would be better with the watercooling, I feel like the idea of the FuryX would work better if you could fit it. The Nano is still bad ass though.
Will the R9 Nano cards be capable of crossfire? This topic was never mentioned in the video.
+Kozuto's Games yes.
Awesome, Thanks!
Kozuto's Games :)
Remember the TDP is *not* the maximum load power consumption, it is what the chip and thermal solution have been designed to handle as heat output. Given that the Fury X is liquid cooled, I can easily see where the TDP comes from, especially that its GPU maxes out at about 55-60 deg.C under load with that liquid cooler.
Im waiting for a massive beafy heatsink version
Well the price is somewhat understandable, it's an underclocked Fury X and there's no competition as it is said in the video. AMD try to take advantage of their edge in this segment+form factor (as Nvidia did with all their Titans for high end) and I think that's ok.
Never the less, I would rather get an itx R9 380 from Sapphire for the form factor or a Fury for price/performance but that's just me.
But if I had cash to burn I'd get that in a heartbeat, these tiny things looks beautiful and will most probably rock really hard!
I would never put size over performance unless i wanted to use a certain case. A great example would be one of the Lian Li cases that hang on the wall. If that was my goal then i would make that compromise. Any other situation i would not. I would just find another case that i liked. We have so many great choices now a days, why compromise?
form factor over performance is important on every price point when you're limiting yourself to a single factor, those limits are important as having to build with no limits gives too many possibilities to consider
I have been eyeing the Lian Li Pc-tu100 for a while now and I currently have a Gtx 780 direct Cu ii in my bitfenix prodigy. The Gtx 970 isn't really that much better than the 780 to make it worth it so this card would make that jump make way more sense so I think I would totally get this card over the fury x. I love the mini itx but I hate the huge card and case I got. I want a very small package that is very power. Calling it The Defiant will make way more sense with an extremely small case.
well done
i have a lian LI pc Tu 100, pretty much a pc the size of a lunchbox, this GPU in there would totally be sick.
Really interesting card, especially the size and performance in small formfactor because of HBM memory integration.
It would be probably perfect GPU for ITX build, but I game on my ATX build and I would much rather have a bigger card with better cooling capabilities:
- longer life
- better performance
- lower noise
- maybe overclocking (although I don't overclock)
I am really looking forward into seeing what HBM implementation will do to mobile GPUs! At the moment nVidia is a king in mobile GPU market, but if HBM GPUs can deliver better performance and lower temperatures in a smaller formfactor -> win for powerful mobile graphic cards.
Do the review of this card with the Ncase M1!
+Victor Romano (Skiter) Will do :D
Nice!!!
This is AWESOME!
This means having something this powerfull will only get smaller and smaller in the years.
Think about it, our phones 10 years ago would be alien technology
imagine the mobile modules for laptops and etc that we can make in the near future.
Ouch. I think the pricing may kill the popularity this product could have with people. Also what's this about it performing similarly to a 980 Ti? The Fury X looses out to a 980 Ti so why would this stand a better chance?
Size vs Performance....... Kappa
Great video as usual from HC
what is the pricing? do we know that yet?
+Tung bui R9 Nano - $649
+HardwareCanucks I get that they are selling it for more because there is no competition....but it's just too expensive....I want one but I almost rather spend more money and get a bigger case for the fury x or a 980ti then spend that much money on a slower card.
+HardwareCanucks can you do your magic and tell them to take off 50-80 dollars cause no AIO cooling? Kappa
+Tung bui I wish it was that easy...#kappa
In my second PC I still use a i5-760ES @ 4.3GHz and 1.292 Volts. But in the 6 years of using the same CPU I upgraded the graphics card 3 or 4 times and it still works almost as good as my main PC for gaming in 4K. If the Motherboard would have more USB3.0-Ports and SATA 6Gb/s I would be perfectly happy with this PC.
Long story short: I think the actual CPU-Power needed for gaming won't change much in the next years so keeping the CPU Motherboard and Ram for a longer time and upgrading the graphics card more often is the way to go for gaming! And thats the reason why I would never buy a more expensive, less powerfull graphics card like the R9 Nano.
I will be waiting to pull the trigger until next year.
So I want this, remove the cooler then over clock that shit back into fury x and beyond because it should be better(better bin?)
I hope they let partners customize this... then customers can have an air cooled option of the Fury X, but it might not be Nano anymore.
I haven't upgraded my gpu in a few years, using an MSI gtx 760. Though I did go from an amd 5800k to an i7 4790k, rendering is so much less painful now haha
+EthansTech yeah dude you cant compare an apu for 80€ with a cpu for 350€
and i got my hd7950 back in early 2012 and its still completely fine for everything on high
+rickening Well, yeah you can compare them, though the more powerful part is quite obvious...
We need the competition! Keep it up AMD!!! Drag other competitor prices lower! GOOD LUCK!
Having just built a mini-ITX system in an Ncase M1, I prioritized size to some extent. But I'd rather spend less than half the cost and get a nice GTX 970 and trade off the performance a touch (which is exactly what I did).
Full ATX Master Race~
Size isn't a big factor for me. Sure the trend now is to have smaller cases but enthusiasts still want extra performance over form factor.
gr8 tickhnologi
Sorry, my favourite tech utuber, before Jayz2Cents
hi HC
I was right it somewhat over hyped card. Granted I see it will do very well in mini itx build. I cant wait to see for official temperature and benchmarks.
$650?! Might as well get the furyx or an 980 ti
+te86a this is only for very small form factors build.
As long as people are buying Titans and 980tis based on ASICs, there is nothing to say about the price on the Nano. It is a niche product aimed at a special kind of customer, and AMD should be given credit for really hitting that market so perfectly.
Prediction: TekSyndicate will make a new Colugo build with the R9 nano.
Now I understand
$650
...oh well
I've witnessed the rise of AMD exactly 10 years ago
Now I'm witnessing the begining of its demise
Paired with a Freesync monitor (preferably 1440p @ 16:9/21:9), there is no need to go with a bulky ATX standard on top of your desk.
The main question is: why would I need 4096 cores in an HTPC? Seriously, if I want that powerfull system I'd opt for a good middletower or a fulltower. Or is it some muscle play in front of Microsoft and Sony?
Up to this point I believed that it's going to be a 2048 Tonga with HBM, but now I just feel that these "up to 1000Mhz" are gonna turn into massive throttles.
I am using a 380T from my next build. The size doesn't really matter for me, but because the Nano will cost more than 300 US dollars, I am going to use a non-reference 960 with 4 GB....
+Μιχάλης Ζαμάγιας at that price you could get a mini gtx970 which sells for about 300$ on newegg.
The Evga GTX 960 SSC+ 4GB costs around 300€ in Greece. The 970 starts at 40€ more.. But thanks for letting me check again the prices of the 970s :)
why does it has only 4 GB of vram, if the 390 has 8 GB?
Nano has HBM which is a lot better than a GDDR5 memory that the R9 390 has.
+Rafael Rauhala i know hbm is a lot faster, but it is still 4 GB this can be a botzleneck in some cases, specialy in 4k. Even if it is faster, it is too small.
+Rene's Hardware It handles 1440p very well which I also think is the resolution it is aimed for.
+Rafael Rauhala i know it preforms verry good, but if it would use 8GB of HBM it would be a real titan killer.
OMG I WANT THIS CARD
+LeaveNoEvident128 so do I :D
I'd like to get this card, but its too expensive for me...
This beast of a card is a game changer for AMD and will show up in many small form factor PC's because this is the way of the future! I personally want a much smaller system with a lot of horsepower. That big old noisy box that many ascribe to will become a thing of the past and no one will want them so ditch them as soon if you can find someone who will take it off your hands. This nano is energy efficient and will save on the pocket book not to mention quieter with less heat, three attributes that will make it a great seller. The three largest game consoles; Playstation, Xbox, and now Nintendo all know the value of a value chipset design that AMD is known for. Get on board folks!
+Reg Martin Still throttle like hell.
I think AMD missed an opportunity here, though that greatly assumes they have enough yield to do the following:
R9 Nano - as is, but with a $50 lower price
R9 Pico - Fiji Pro GPU, clocked like the Nano, $100 cheaper
R9 Femto - 3072 SMs, limited to 75W, no PCI-e power, cheaper cooler to fit, lower price to match
I can't imagine they don't have plenty of dies laying around where only 75% of the compute units are viable.
I wonder if AMD holds a full-on exclusive access to HBM1 with Hynix, meaning only they will be able to make products with HBM1. If so, then we have plenty more use on the lower end for HBM1. Especially if they are electrically compatible enough that the same GPU can be selectively paired with HBM1 or HBM2.
Of course, any usability expectations assume HBM1 will be cheaper.
Same price performance is higher priority. An MATX build is just fine. Oh and it is also water cooled. So if they say it is the same card performance running 100 watts less sure sounds to good to be true. Like the Fury X is faster than the Titan X. We all know how that one worked out. Oh and where are the Fury X and Fury cards anyway? Not on the store shelves. Will the Nano be the same BS? Nice video as always.
*R9 Nano*: *Proving that 6 inches is enough*
You should do a test of the R9 390X and see if the 8GB of GDDR5 memory makes things BETTER for games at a LOWER price rather then buying the newer R9 Nano and Fury cards.
I think I'd just get an mITX case that supports average sized GPUs. Like the CORE 500 THAT YOU HAVEN'T REVIEWED YET.
Please go the biggest gaming expo in belgium on 3/4 oktober named #GameForce . Sony, MS, Nintendo and lots of publishers are going to be there and want to see you ppl in person there. You can taste some of belgium beer and french fries. Tickets only cost 10€.
Yey, I hope Nano didn't disappoint me like Fury X did :D
And yea, I didn't believe AMD chart anymore (after what happen to Fury X), I prefer real world, reviewer tested, chart :D
Дима, а как давно ты переехал в Канаду? И от куда если не секрет?
+dibrovaaaaa V Kanade uje 12 let, iz Rossii, ryadom s Moskvi.
+HardwareCanucks спасибо, 12 лет это очень много, мне очень интересно было бы услышать как ты говоришь по ручки, с таким отличным английским. я понимаю, что это нереально :(
Tdp is probably lower because they don't have to power a pump or fan and have lowered the clock speed.
WOAH....A FAN!
+dakito fey fuck you weaboo
Flip Mehiko lololol u mad?
Yesterday I bought Asus 970 Mini. Spending 650 bucks for Nano which is only 30% faster (or maybe less) and over twice expensive is stupid :) I was waiting and hoping for reasonal price like 400$ but no. I think it won't sell well because the price.
+KannX the titan x is only 10% faster than 980 ti but look at the price. :P
I think the price should have been $600 but it looks like a solid step forward for itx gaming
+Philip Glickman Sold step forward? yea if you got a bottomless wallet. gtx970 starts around 290$.
+arbiter1 not in holland mush, here they are 350 minimum
Did I say 4k gaming was budget oriented? No if you dont have the money for it go buy something in your price range like the 970 but dont hate on something just because you cant afford it
Really glad we are getting these cards smaller and smaller but those marketing slides are cringeworthy, as bad as the so frequently seen misleading bar graphs that don't start at 0%.
It is marketing material though so I can't really say it is not fullfilling it's purpose.
I'm looking foward to the impernding FuryX2 and TitanX2.
My wallet is already cyring.
+Captain Hindsight You don't need a bar graph to start at 0%, but as low as the one with the lowest score, and keeping the relation
So for the same price as fury x you get a card that will probably thermal throttle to less performance... If amd had made this card even 50 dollars cheaper it would make at least some sense
I could get on board with that
At last a smart move from amd!! what i mean is.. premium/ high end product?!? => overpriced .. this is how nvidea makes profit.. doesn't mean I'm gonna buy it or recommend it.. I'm always supporting price/performance products, but a there is a "pie" in the market which prefer things like this.. and companies which gets benefits from it :)
+gpal13 exactly !!!!
r9 nano + new 5x5 formfactor mobo
+NiceGuysRUs }: would be amazing, tho
uh... wow. this REALLY changes the game for small pcs....... full power top of the line gpu in a VERY small form factor.
just wow.
$650? I picked a good year to ramp up on the booze. Thanks for giving me reasons to drink, AMD.