The best tip about Opus Orchestrator
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"Hello i m obiwan kenobi" 😂 many times I thought to myself😂. You"re vidéo are better and better. So helpful. Thanks a lot.
Édouard from France.
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I saw it somewhere once before I even purchased Opus. I totally forgot about it until til I saw this. Thanks for posting.
Thank you for this fantastic tipp! No, I didnt know about, and used the much more complicated and timeconsuming method before.
I know about that one. Yes, this is a lot better😊
It is indeed much easier now !
Yes. I saw your nice video on the previous solution. I'm glad Eastwest made this possible.
Wow thank u very much. It is the first time watching a video from you. And this tip really helps. Thank you 🙏🏻
You're welcome!
Now it has even acquired a little academic character. All presets were, I think, made by professionals who know orchestration very well. For me, it's incredible that I can learn this even better now. I always had problems with placing the violas correctly because of the notation. Now you can see all that beautifully. And not only that, you now have the option to create a simple initial mockup for the sound you need. A big praise to EastWest!!!!
Wow! This an amazing function! Thank you very much! I hope you are well now! Take care and continue these priceless videos!
Will do😊
Hi, Sam. I'm sorry you got sick but grateful that you didn't get dangerously sick. I hope your recovery goes well.
Thank you for this video. I just sent a link to a friend who is working with Orchestrator a lot. Cheers!
Thank you for your concern. Yes, I'm sure many got a lot worse. Cheers!
Ha, I was just searching for how to record the midi in Logic and found nothing, so I watched this instead......and it's here!!! Thank you.
Couldn't get this to work in logic pro the exact same way. I came up with my own solution for anyone else having problems. This may work the same in other daws. Make your Opus player Multitimbral with 16 tracks. Once you create your arrangement on the main track with Orchestrator, play it all through once. Drag from the REC hand to the unused tracks. Mute your original clip so that it doesn't play next to it. This will break everything out the same way. Note: let's say if woodwinds only uses 3 out of 4 of it's slots, you'll have to move all of your midi tracks down one spot to compensate for the blank track (or anywhere else that there is a group with a no instrument slot), otherwise it throws everything off. If anyone knows how to do it another way in logic, please let me know. This takes about the same amount of time, except you'll have to adjust for blank slots like I said.
Thumbs up both hands pal! this tip is gold thanks for sharing!!
No, I did not know this one. Haven't tried it yet, But I use Orchestrator to get ideas for different approaches to orchestrating a chord progression, and this is really nice to know. Makes changing the instrumentation or even the actual lines so much simpler. Can't wait to try it out. Thanks!
Yes, it is a good inspirational tool
Thank you for sharing this feature. I hope you have recovered well from your little cold.
Almost😊
I absolutely did NOT know about this trick. But it's great! Thank you.
Yes, I did know about this trick, but I wanna just mention, that you do have one of the best sound out there as a narrator. Perfect Mic/Voice/Plug ´ns sound. Very enjoyable
Thank you. I actually do that professionally now and then as well
@@SecondTierSound That makes perfect sense. I did record a lot of voice-talents over the years, and you are in this liga.
That's actually a great tip! Many thanks!
Great tip and no, I didn't know about it. Thanks!
I didn't know about this. Awesome feature!
Yes it is!
Really good video, short, straight to the point, learnt something!
Awesome!
I gave it a try in logic, it works but unfortunately does not load the individual instances of opus for each instrument and does not bypass the orchestrator. Any idea if this is possible on logic?@@SecondTierSound
Thanks! When you drag the hand in the timeline i said :"Wouah !" Haha ! very good video :)
"Hello this is Obi Wan keno...ahmh" hahaha that was good
Perfect! Thank you!
Great video man! Can't belive there is no tutorial on this feature! I did the long version of this and it was such a pain. Thanks a lot!
Cheers! Yes, I wondered about that too. Maybe they forgot?
The tip I didn't know I needed! Thanks! Though I'll have to wait for EastWest to get back to me on why Opus/Orchestrator crashes in FL Studio if I don't have "Use Fixed Size Buffers" enabled and add a bunch of latency with its sub-list options. (Told this last year, but uhh...) Software seems so great! I can't wait to use it without anxiously gambling on the stability!
Sorry about that. I've heard opus is not too stable with certain software. It would be nice if Eastwest would get a move on with that.
Wow!!! That will save me a lot of time. I was actually doing some alterations on the orchestrator built in editor but it’s not practical.
🙏 thank you!!
Great! You're welcome!
It's true that I saw that hand, and recording, but I thought it was for me to record the volume changes I made on each instrument, or something like that, hehe... You are an angel for us. Thank you very much for passing on what you discover. I wish the best for you, master
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Nope, didn’t know but how helpful is that!!! Cheers & get well soon
Thank you for the well wishes. I'm fine now. I'm glad it helped.
GREAT tip dude!!! Now I can sub out parts to different libraries and cut stuff up! Bloody awesome mate!
Awesome
I was wondering how to use the hand last night. The Orchestrator is almost a DAW itself with its versatility.
No I didn’t know just came across your RUclips. Thanks for sharing. I like of your vids.
I had no idea, and I've gotta try this out now.
Works like a charm, and it's something that puts it far ahead of some of the other libraries for inspiration.
Thanks for this!
You're welcome
Thank you from France ! OK with Cakewalk by Bandlab. I have to select the clip before the operation.
yoo Sam, awesome stuff man, really helpful! Hope many people will see this video once it's live, cheers
Thank you. We'll see 😊
Thank you very much ,really good showman🎉🎹👑
Thank you too!
This is great, especially for having automatically the right instruments name.
I used to do the same midi drag&drop operation with The Orchestra by Sonuscore, but in that case you only get generic "Track1-2-3" names, so you have to scroll all the patches you used and copy the instrument/articulation name one by one, by hand.
Just bought Opus a couple of days ago, taking advantage of their 75% discount, so thank you for the priceless tip!
You're welcome!
Excellent tip, i have saved this vid in my watch later section re-watch..well…later! Thanks!
WOW!! What an awesome tip! Thank you!!
Your welcome!
Can confirm, I also had no idea this existed
thanx for sharing
Super helpful, thanks!!
I did not know about this feature. In fact, I don't even own Opus Orchestrator... yet.
Thanks and may the force be with you
Thank you! May the force be with you too!
Yeah, nothing is the manual about this. I've been seeing this REC option since last december when I started the subscription. Now I know what that's for :) Thank you very much!
No worries. Thanks for the confirmation
whhhaat!!!!!! unnnn....be...lievable - I used to see this hand and Rec. never try to figure out why they re there for - WOW Thank you!
That was pretty much my reaction too :)
Great Tip! Really appreciate this one. Thnx.
Thank you!
Amazing. Thank you so much for this.
Cheers! 😊
Very useful tool, thanks for sharing
Thank you 😊
0:16 - Nice. I was telling a friend of mine about your channel the other day, and mentioned your resemblance to a certain Jedi Knight. More importantly, I told him how useful your channel is. MTFBWY
Thank you. May the force be with you!
Strong is the force in your DAW!🤣
Fan - Freaking - Taastic - Trick ... ! Really love your presentation especially the EW stuff... The Indiginus walkthroughs are killer stuff as well... Wish you a quick recovery & God bless !! 🤓🥇
Thank you very much! I'll do what I can 😊
@@SecondTierSound Hi... Sam... Really need to clarify one thing from you.... Insanely grateful if you could help me out also will benefit a lot EW fans around the world. :)
1. How do we find the KEY of the performance patches ? (Especially in SILK)
2. How to TRANSPOSE those performances to a Key we want ?
Many Many thanks for taking time for us & the great job you are doing. I too was really down with Covid & recovered recently. Again, wish you health & Peace.. Cheers :)
Hello, I'm glad you are better. Well, silk is an upcoming video, even though that one might take a while. I don't want to leave you hanging, but at the moment I have no good answer I'm afraid. If I find a good answer I'll let you know.
@@SecondTierSound Hey dear Sam.. Thanks a ton for taking the time to reply. Eargerly waiting for your upcoming videos. This matter had been such a trouble for me with SILK & POP BRASS .. Wish we could clearly transpose & use those like typical Kontakt libraries out there. Hope you'd showcase the MOR series some days as well. 🤓
Do take care & stay safe as another deadly form of covid is on the rise.. God bless & Best..Love from Sri Lanka..🥇🥇👍👍🤓
Wow, fantastic! I always wondered what the symbol does!
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Excellent! This was one thing that I have been looking for! Thanks! Can Cubase also convert Opus output into Instrument Tracks (not Midi Tracks)?
No, it has to be midi. But you can change it afterwards.
@@SecondTierSound OK, I see. Thanks!
@@SecondTierSound Actually, I just found out that it does work in Cubase 11, although Opus still seems a little buggy.
And can you explain how to change it. Thank you in advance for your help@@SecondTierSound
@@SecondTierSound And can you explain how to change it. Thank you in advance for your help
Thank You 🔊
I'm on Windows 10 and Reaper 7. I got this trick to work but...
The imported tracks don't sound. They need an instrument to be assigned to them manually.
Each track has a different channel.
I only use channel 1 because I only have one external device (my Arturia keyboard) and it sends on channel 1. It doesn't receive, so no problems there.
Great info
Thank you
Noooooooooo incredible! Tks bro!
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awesome!
The MIDI IMPORT feature doesn't seem to exist in Logic Pro
Did you ever figure out how to successfully do this in logic? I'm investigating it now. Please let me know if you know the work around.
I have seen this feature mentioned in another youtube video however you explained it better and mentioned some additional setup steps . I find your videos very helpful . what is the model of studio desk in the background of your videos? One of my clients was asking.
Actually, it is just a desk from IKEA. I was looking for one and just found this one by chance, and it is great. I'm afraid I don't know the name, but it has unique (but not great) small shelves for speakers.
Thanks for your reply, I will check out ikea.
Thank you for this trics impressive so grateful for this wouaw
That’s next level
Mind...Blown
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Super....mais j'utilise Fl Studio 20 et je n'arrive pas à faire ce que tu fais... as tu une solution? merci...
Tried to figure out how to do this with FL Studio 20 but it doesn't seem to work as well. It just places all instruments in the same track, I'll have to do some more research on this
Can't help you I'm afraid. Good luck with this, and let us know if you figure anything out.
Hi Steve I have FL20 as well. Did you managed to sort it out? I have been looking everywhere online and tried to sort it out myself but I didn't managed.😔
This feature was added in about a month ago, not surprising since it's the same developer team from sonuscore's the orchestra
Thanks for letting me know
I'm wondering if export midi works on Logic. Right now, I'm continuing to download Opus files. I've noted differences in volume between sus instruments and stacc instruments in the brass, so 'm looking for people who've had the same or other issues. I've read that Opus isn't exactly reliable in certain aspects.
It doesn't work in logic I'm afraid.
Long samples are effected by expression, while short samples are affected by velocity
What you explained at 3:25 : preferences /midi/ ''import Options / to select midi tracks - Can't find this in Logic Pro X, can you help?
This does unfortunately not work in Logic. I'm sorry.
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Tackar. Det var lite segt ett tag, men bättre nu. 😊🇸🇪
How do we use OPUS sound library with Logic Pro X?
Great stuff but I just can't find the midi import options etc. in the latest version of Logic :( Can anyone help? Thanks
💭Hey, this dude looks like kenobi
"Hi, here is obi-wan keno-"
Ohh yeah, he knows
thanks much.
It works on Ableton I have used it before. It's a time saver. the only problem is that I do not see how to add each individual instrument to each track as assign in the original library, Any help would be great
That's Great !
As somebody with ADHD and a disability that prohibits me from working on the computer for too long, this is amazing! Thank you so much!
Happy to help 😊
Lovevyour nickname - very apt
In your DAW you ALSO need to make sure the NEW Midi Tracks you created are using the SAME Midi Channels that are in the Orchestrator. This was recent update in January that EW kind of "snuck in". :)
Thank you for the tip. In my experience that works automatically, but it might be different in other DAWs.
@@SecondTierSound Studio One 5.5 I had to do that.
@@SecondTierSound Hey! Thanks for sharing this tip! This is going to be so useful. I have a small issue, I'm also using Cubase but for some reason, I can't seem to link the newly created midi tracks to the orchestrator. Am I missing something to do so?
I know FL studio is not the most popular daw but I have FL 20 and I struggle to import the midi data.
I can drag with the hand on tge orchestrator but it doesn't open all the different instrument. Just a sampler.
Anyone knows how to do it with FL 20?
Hi There Dom, tried this as well and still the same, it will open a new sampler with new midi's but ofcourse you cant assign the notes to each instruments like the video. Let me know if you have resolved this.
In Studio One 5.5, this works, but one has to connect the new tracks to the Opus instance manually.
Ah, that's a shame, but at least it is a little quicker.
i didn't know :D!! and it's amazing!! like that you can learn how the solo track are used to play those kind of music!!! thanks :D
Cheers! Yes it is s great learning tool.
Ahah! I knew about the trick, but I didn't know about the change in preferences in Cubendo. I haven't only just updated to Opus, so on a huge learning curve. Ta much!
I have also just noticed something. If you recorded yesterday then open up. Before you can import the midi tracks, you have to play through the entire piece (or perhaps just the section). Opus isn't a recorder, so it doesn't remember what happened after it is shut down. I suppose it just holds it in temporary memory. It makes sense, otherwise it wouldn't be able to resolve any changes you make. This might mean that if you edit, the same thing applies - you must play through the section if you are going to re-import. Would be interested to know what you find.
Yes, that is the trick that changed it for me too. Cheers!
Is it working for Ableton Live yet? And which DAW are you using in the video demo?
Yes!
Do you have a video on how to make this work with finale windows?
What is finale windows? Are you talking about the notation program? As far as I know, this only works with DAWs
@SecondTierSound yep. It's suppressed to run VST in finale playback
Even if opus works in finale, I doubt this feature works in finale. You have to experiment as I don't use finale
How do you do that in LOGIC PRO ?
Great info here! How do I resize Opus in my daw?
Move the mouse over the lower right corner, click and drag. Or, click the cogwheel and go to zoom
very helpful, thankssomuch!@@SecondTierSound
Thank you that's amazing man! I know this video is at least a year old but how do you manage to have the colours when you import the tracks. On my daw it just keep the same colour for each track.
Also, on the left board I have to change manually each time the midi option to put it on opus instead of the by default midi setting.
Is there a way to change that?
If you use cubase you can set in preferences what colors should be used. I've noticed that sometimes the midi channels don't behave correctly. I don't know if there's a way to change it I'm afraid
@@SecondTierSound thank you for your response. it is definitely on Cubase side not opus I think. It is a very great trick for templates with a certain texture. I use cubase 10. Do you use a more recent one on your video?
I always update cubase, but I'm not sure which version this is. Probably more recent, but it shouldn't make a difference in this care I think. Perhaps.
I've noticed that if I make one grab, fix the midi, remove it and make it again it all works. Not very elegant, but it seems to work the whole session after that.
Can we find custom user preset pools in forums?
Ableton Live 10 checking in. It exports all the clips to blank midi tracks, but the clips are all named correctly like in the video. I'm not sure if it's me, but when using the orchestrator ensemble patches the expression control doesn't do anything. CC1 works fines, and maybe it's some deep setting I don't have set up properly, but I was thinking this feature might be a way to work around that. Regardless, this will be great for layering string shorts and such with other libraries.
Too bad the tracks are empty, but to be honest, it is not the first time I've heard opus and Ableton not playing nice together. I hope that changes.
Yes, there is no expression in the orchestrator, just cc1 (modwheel) to simplify things.
@@SecondTierSound Thanks, that's helpful to know for certain about the expression control.
why make the video volume so high, did you think about those who turn it on with headphones?
I can't figure out how to set the MIDI INPUT function in Logic Pro. This has been a problem every time I try to drag the MIDI of Opus. It doesn't create more Opus tracks. Where is this function in Logic?
Same I can’t figure it out
Having headaches with that. too
Hi Sam, I tried your technique with Ableton Live Suite. When you drag the recording, midi tracks are opened, but the sounds are not loaded. I contacted East West to tell me how to use the copy and drag function. This is their response: "There's not any specific manual on using it in Ableton - the Orchestrator midi drag/drop does just copy midi data over - you would need to load up instruments on those additional tracks to then be able to have sounds playing on the exported midi tracks though." Perhaps I am missing something. I do get the MIDI, but no sound. Thanks for your wonderful RUclips Channel,
Thank you. It does seem like this feature doesn't work as well on all DAWs, unfortunately.
Perhaps try using the external instrument stick ableton plugin? Works with kontact, just a thought! Good luck!
I’m having a major issue with this and I’m not seeing anyone else having it.
I let my entire 2 minute track play out in cubase and I’m following everything from this video, but when I drag the midi from Opus, it’s only recorded like 30 seconds of the actual orchestrator midi and has cut off at a random point in the orchestrator recording as if I’d stopped and started recording. I have no idea what’s doing this because I’m following everything else perfectly fine, it just doesn’t drag over the midi of the entire track
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So you played a chord pattern and boom opus revised and orchistraed it ?
Pretty much. Cheers!
Thanks for another great video. In logic instrument assignment does not automatically occur. Logic assigns it's own instruments which are sometimes bizarre. Anyone know how to make logic assign the correct Opus instruments? Much appreciated. Thanks.
There seems to be a problem with this. I'm afraid i don't know, but hopefully someone else does
@@SecondTierSound i just found a possible solution in the Opus manual 2.5.6....using opus as multimbral. It claims it will assign the correct instruments in logic. I will try it today and report back. Thanks for your response.
Awesome. Please let us know
@@bobbydolan hi. any update about this trick ?
cool!
Excellent tip, thank you! But...I didn't succeed in making it work yet. I did exactly what you showed in the video, my DAW is CUBASE 11, and I even used the same Orchestrator Score as you. But when dragging the REC hand into Cubase, all the MIDI tracks are generated, their outputs are correctly set to Opus, their names are correct, but they are just empty parts with no MIDI notes in them, and the parts are much shorter than the Opus part I recorded. Am I missing something in the setup?
I'm afraid I don't know why. I would contact support. I hope it works eventually.
Did you play through the track first? I think Opus needs at least one one through of hte instrument track to "hear" it and record it, then export. It can be a bit fiddly, I had a track on loop and it gave me multiple takes when the MIDI is exported (which would be logical). Sometimes I did not let the track run and got short tracks. I am still fathoming the correct method
@@Notmehimorthem Thank you for your advice. I'll take it into account! Regards!
Hey Sam, great video. Hope you´re feeling better right now. Can you explain how to do it in Logic Pro X? I can´t find the way
Logic is assigning its own instruments
Yes, i know. It is same as in cubase, you have to change this in the settings. I'll ask my patreons that have logic and get back to you how
i just do the same, check your updates.
@ this is true, a way to drag and make logic assign the same instruments as the orchestrator may have to do with multiple outputs, the midi track settings, or that you just drag in a blank page. I didn’t try this. Honestly i find the export thing just very cool, but if your template is tight you will use the orchestrator more as a single track i guess , otherwise it makes the composing rigid, because 8 measures later you need something different no? unless you are composing for stock libraries….and even though….
i discovered that Reaper looks very intelligent about midi arrangement and articulations, if you are starting i recommend to consider it, without leaving Logic Pro ;) At least i downloaded Reaper to check… The only thing i don’t do is to download Cubase hahaha kidding
How do we do this in logic?
The problem is that logic loads its own sampler automatically for imported midi tracks. Try holding command while you drag the files. But I would ask customer support if there is a way of disabling the sampler on midi tracks by default.
Did you try?
Really Well Obi Wan :)
Whoaaaaaanomg omg thank you!!
Cheers!
Is there ANY source that can help me use Opus in Dorico? I have been trying to incorporate EW instruments in Dorico for months and simply cannot get them to work. The included instrument samples with Dorico really do not sound good - but at the moment I am considering dropping either Dorico or all of my many, many EW libraries. Neither option is good.
Dorico can use any vst.
@@SecondTierSound Yes, to a point. But there is no response to volume and most articulation input in the score when using East West libraries.
I'll see if I can figure something out
@@tomdavis9696 I have to admit I'm no expert on dorico. But make sure that you have setup the dynamics correctly. Most patches in Opus are controlling the dynamics by CC11, not CC1.
You also have to create your own expression maps in order to get all the sounds out of the expressions, then create a setup in opus that corresponds to that map. My video on how to create expression maps in cubase, might be helpful there.
I hope you figure it out. Maybe someone has already created expressions maps for opus in dorico?
Cheers!