We bought an i4 D40 for my wife's daily driver because of the drive-feel, the excellent dash and controls, and the very nice/clean/easy to see and use HUD.
I bought one after watching Sandy's reviews. It's now my daily after years with the model 3, and I have no complaints about it. Works as intended. No silly business. The tech is also phenomenal. The road comfort and noise levels is another thing that messes with my head. I have a BMW m3 and you can feel everything including the speed. But with this one 80 feels like 50. Amazing job by BMW. Excited for the Neue Klasse EV's from them!
I have a slightly older version of this ADAS suite in a 2021 BMW iX3 since December and let me tell you it works wonderfully. Never warning me with phantom dangers (worst offender in my limited experience: Audi Q5 & A6). At the same time it did warn me several times in situations I would qualify myself as dangerous and requiring full driver’s attention. Also worth noting that the systems visibly improved with a Spring ‘22 software update. I bet the i4’s software will further improve too.
I4 and iX3 Adas Systems are identical in relative to hardware / Sensors … both from 2018, SW might be different, also depending on trim. The tested package appears to be the top trim, since it includes overtaking / lane changing. Would be interesting to compare i4 and iX, the latter is to my knowledge the only BMW with a SP 2021 Hardware Setup. SP = Service Pack. SP 2018 is older EQ4 Mobileye Processor, where as SP 2021 is current generation Mobileye EQ5 plus additional Intel and Infineon SOCs and MCU.
I wish you would focus more on the road view than on the driver. Not useful to understand how the car is performing lane centering, etc. if you focus on the driver
I don't recall seeing any mention in any of your reviews of how well the "headlight brightness sensor with on coming traffic" works at night. I've seen complaints about the sensor in some vehicles not reacting quickly enough and thus blinding the on coming traffic. Please consider evaluating that feature in your upcoming reviews. Also, I've seen some imo troubling videos where the Tesla is on a narrow road that has no center line marking with on coming traffic. The driver has to intervene in order to avoid running the on coming traffic off the road. Thanks for putting your reviews on video!
Dealerships should try selling their cars like this. Oddly enough, I'd buy an i4 from this guy. Salesman takes you for a test ride like this, super honest, points out what they do and don't like, highlights the features, chill conversation.
The reason they made it look like the ICE version is because they made it on a new shared platform on the same production line as the ICE version, so they share as many parts as possible.
@@markplott4820 why should they delete the BMW design? That would be utterly stupid. It looks like a BMW, it's easier and cheaper for BMW to produce ICE /EVs parallel on one production line. They did everything right.
@@computercrack Its not cheaper to run a mixed line. Look at the difference in margin on a maxed production line at Tesla. ROIC shows you have to bite the bullet and invest in your line if you want profitable company into the future: Tesla 22.74% - BMW 5.35%!
@@computercrack - BMW is too SLOW, too Short RANGE , too HEAVY and Really INEFFICIENT. thats why . Everything Improves when you use GIGACASTINGS and Structural battery pack and even BETTER with Clyndrical Battery cells , both RIVIAN and LUCID use them. even Better IF you can cast the WHOLE car body in a Gigacast. for now we just have 3 part Underbody w/ 2 castings . the Structural battery is like BRICKS , helps w/ Handeling and 50/50 weight .
I drive a new MS and found the “forced car noise” in the BMW car annoying . Hope they have an option to mute the engine noise. Also a yoke may provide better visibility of screens. The display was very busy and could cause information overload.
Watching this after watching a Tesla drive with FSD through the city for 1 hour with 0 interruptions is like watching ads for Nokias new smart phone in 2010. Insane how far behind BMW are.
Apples and Oranges. FSD is a beta product which will stay L2. BMW has an upcoming L2+ system coming this year similar/superior than FSD and an L3 coming next year. Both also in Beta, but not publicly available for customers.
@@victorfrombcn please come back when you have watched this video. ruclips.net/video/YhbrCppGoXY/видео.html BMWs can maybe perhaps possibly change lanes while Teslas can drive for an hour through towns. BMW will never catch up to this. Its always the same story. Tesla is miles ahead and other companies who are desperately trying to catch up, and when you mention how far ahead Tesla is you ALWAYS come back with "Apples and oranges". I am laughing.
@@rbassdo No, the i4 won’t support L3. L3 requirements are very high in terms of computing power, sensor array and redundancy. That’s also the reason Tesla FSD will never be L3. There are strict ASIL requirements that Tesla will never meet, specially with the Tesla Vision only-camera setup on their Model 3s and Model Ys. For BMW I expect the i7 and iX to be the first to support L3 driving.
@@PatrikSteal Thanks for the video. I’ve watched it fully. I’m still not impressed. The car has managed to switch lanes, stop a traffic lights, and join a highway with some support from the driver. However it’s all done in ideal conditions and without full responsibility. (L2). The car cannot guarantee at any moment that is capable independently of driving the vehicle and face any unexpected emergency situation. I know as well that Tesla Vision is incapable of distinguishing far away objects, and still confuses rain with some background trees. And what about foggy or rainy conditions? Or the max speed ? Those are situations where that system is heavily limited. I don’t want to fully dismiss it, because it’s great that Tesla makes it available to customers. However it’s no L3 and will never be. It’s impossible.
NVIDIA/Mobile eye or possibly Another. ONE clue is BMW ADAS is LIMITED to certain streches of road where its pre mapped. its is not a Generalized AI neural net like TESLA.
🤗👍THANKS MIKE AND ERIC …great review…. just wanna say that MIKE is “well suited “for this video 😁 And thanks to all the MUNRO TEAM behind scenes and the patrons as well 👏👏👏🤗😎😍😍😍
@@My_HandleIs_ You can turn it off. No problem. Than you have one of the qiutest car on the market. Not a wind engine noise beside your ear like Tesla for example.
Mike said that he had a problem with the steering blocking part of the gauges. Wouldn't a car like a BMW have a adjustable steering wheel? For an $83,000 car to have a fixed wheel seems cheap. When he was driving, later on, he disengaged the "ADAS" to activate "Distance Driving". When he did, and edged out of his lane, the car chimed and a message said to "stay in his lane". Mike accepted this as a passive system as opposed to an active system. For me, as a driver, I would rather have the car keep itself in its lane, rather than hearing a "chime", (that sounds identical to other warnings), and then taking your eyes off the road long enough to read a message about what that chime was for. I give that feature a downgrade.
The car has a movable steering column 100%. He probably just likes the driving position that way although its not ideal for the line of sight to the instrument cluster
I would of liked to see what it does if you put the signal on while there is a car beside you. I assume it would not wait, manuvere ahead or behind, and just crash ?
The car obviously wouldn't change the lane and wait for the other car to disappear. I don't think it would speed up or down to change the lane. So worst case you'll never change lane if the car doesn't disappear.
On the "new" matte paints and black-out trims, I remember when poor folks would paint their car with matte primer spray cans paint and cheap cars were all black with no chrome. It is now a cool. fashion statment- or so they think.
Good review. Thanx. Yes, often unclear exactly what the assisted status is. Great driving car. Car moves for braking, lane change etc a bit too abrupt. BMW could program slight phase in for smoothness. No reference in video to distance controls. Those were adjustable next to the speed adjust lever.
You need a standard set of test cases and edge cases. I would like to see apples to apples of good, the bad and ugly. This is WAY TOO SIMPLISTIC to compare these systems. Almost say, it has cruise control+. Not very insightful
TESLA tests for BEYOND 5 star crash safety and TESTS for edge cases that IIHS+ and NHTSA ignore. MODEL Y was built from the Ground up to be a 6 star car.
Mike, great video. Is this a Tesla model s competitor? While it has a luxurious interior, I think it’s built on an ice frame so won’t have the range, charging speed, efficiency, etc of a Tesla or Lucid.
That is nothing. Porsche paints a car in any colour of your choice, its like a 10.000$ option. Or colour of choice "plus" is 17-20thousand $ where Porsche develops a colour according to a sample colour you provide.
Uhh adaptive cruise control should be setup to maintain any cruising speed that one desires (with some minimum and Max). Being set at 86mph can be adjusted. Probably what the last tester used.
@@markplott4820 sure, but the likelihood of that camera getting hit while a valet is parking or damaged by pebbles on the freeway or other issues is pretty high in that location. Maybe I’m wrong, it was just my initial reaction when I saw how exposed it is.
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Isn't speed limit control dangerous? If someone is going fast behind you and you need to accelerate to avoid the accident, you are limited to XX mph. Clicking a button isn't a "normal reaction" to this type of circumstance.
Nothing like reviewing a car and having no idea how any of the features are supposed to work, then complaining about things you don't understand. At least read the owners manual before you do your review so you know how to activate etc. These guys love Tesla with the world's dumbest mid car dash, but he bitches about BMW. Half the features he may not have on or understand.
Maybe the collision warning setting is on a European scale. Traffic is so much tighter and quicker and people generally react faster, so I don’t think a setting like that would be universal between continents.
In my experience, the follow distance in mainland Europe is usually higher than in the US. There's a heck of a lot of rear end 'domino' collisions in the US due to so few people keeping a good follow distance. :) Of course it should be the same worldwide really, a car can stop just as fast or slow on asphalt in the EU or US.
@@VoxelLoop I observed in the US, especially outside New York City is, is that people just won’t pay attention at all. I have seen crashes happen in slow Mo, one person changing lanes on a 5 Lane Highway without looking, the other person honking, and over what seems like a minute or two they slowly slowly crash into each other. I spent 12 years living in the Boston area, so I do have some experience, also driving in California in the Midwest. Let’s just say this: if you change lanes in the Midwest that way you’ll change lanes in Germany, France, or Italy, people will honk at you and have a heart attack. The “processor speed” it’s just so much lower, but that is fine, I don’t mind the relax driving, as long as people pay attention. Every place has its own style. When I go to Eataly with my car, I switch off collision detect all together, The wise I wouldn’t manage driving through a roundabout without slowing down traffic in general. After moving back to Europe after 12 years, it took me a month or so to reassess my clock speed and have more confidence and other drivers.
What's amazing to me is Tesla aside. Ford had tech just as good drive assist In 2019 and lots of these "upgrades" seem to be downgrades at a higher price to improved ratio. Meanwhile Tesla gets better and legacy upgrades seem to be downgrades considering cost that 20k cars have better tech. Wierd man
That is exactly what I was thinking. I had a Tesla MYP delivered a month ago. I actually was not impressed with the Level 2 driver assist. My 2020 Ford Explorer Platinum did better and was very smooth. Also my Ford had 360 view which came in very handy when parking . I miss the forward camera to see how close I am to what's in front of me. That display with indicates the distance of the object in front of you is worthless since it is aimed higher than a high curb in front of you. You won't know you it's there untill the bumper rides over it and scrapes your bottom. I don't know why Tesla doesn't use the front camera. I also miss the Auto parking feature that parked me in tight places both perpendicular and parallel. The Ford and most other cars also had Cross traffic warning. And when backing up, the brakes apply automatically 1 foot before you struck an item. Why can't my new more expensive more technicality advanced car do that?
Munro is testing an at least 5 years old assistant drive plus system. You can set the level of assistance from nothing, to warnings, to steering wheel vibrations and two levels of active steering wheel corrections.
@@Conservator. No they can't. Even if you pay. A Tesla can't start and stop automatically on traffic lights, engage the driving assistant automatically after a lane change, have a tolerance in speed limits (like add +6 on speed limits), show in how many miles a speed limit change appears. Tech wise, a Tesla has no radar which causes all sorts of problems (vision only was a huge mistake, hence the new ones are going back to radar systems), a Tesla has no capacitive steering wheel. Having to wiggle the steering wheel is ancient technology. Boy, I can go on and on.
@@SuperHumhum Search on RUclips for Tesla FSD beta and you’ll be surprised. FSD beta is on a totally different level. It detects dogs, opening doors, crossing pedestrians even when they are temporarily hidden behind a car, etc etc. (I’m not a Tesla fanboy but their FSD is miles ahead imo). The BMW driving assistent can’t take a roundabout or drive in the small streets.
@@Conservator. FSD is not L3 and will never be, they lack the required safety features at hardware and software level . BMW is releasing a L3 system next year, on the other hand.
I like the comment by @silly stuff' to have a standardized ADAS test. Suggest something like the Out Of Spec Reviews hogback run as mentioned in another review. Should have subjective and objective components. Should also list all the sensors and have an estimated cos( as well. All this would be akin to the tests done by Consumer Reports. But, make them simple. Or, just get a "Sandy Score" 0 to 10!
I hope dude sells cars cause he’s great❤ I toured and I for for like a week great car BMW did a good job other than I don’t like the exhaust port on the bumper. I wish they were totally removed like on Tesla.
It's an impressive system and so much more advanced than Teslas. Btw. you can turn the engine noise off and you can adjust the tolerance in speed limits to automatically use, which was set apparently to +6 in your car. You can go from +0 up to +15.
@@johnmqueripel2367 No, but it has traffic light recognition and reaction, adjustable speed limit tolerance, automatic take over of speed limits, no phantom braking due to radar and camera, shows distance to the next speed limit sign, engages the lane keeping system automatically after a lane change and has a capacitive steering wheel. I guess I could find more stuff that Tesla doesn't have.
FALSE, Tesla Autopilot is a FULL TIME Level 3 ADAS while the FSD beta is a FULL TIME hands on wheel w/ CABIN camera and LIDAR that is LEVEL 4 ADAS. ELON's personal Model S and other ALPHA testers are using FSD beta w/ HANDS FREE Level 4 ADAS. Tesla is close to Releasing FSD Wide Beta this year that uses Driver Monitoring and SAFETY score app. FSD beta can now Detect & Remember rough roads and potholes and Model S/X can Automatically adjust suspension for Smoother ride.
@@markplott4820 Well, it doesn't count until it's released for everyone. If I drive a car today, I have the tools of today. Period. What the future brings we'll see. I guess other manufacturers are also evolving their system.
Seems like off the top of his head he really missed the pricing of the options, by 3x ... Maybe some of his opinions would have been different throughout had he known?
This ADS was bought from some Chinese company maybe BYD. My 3 year old Hyundai does all this exactly the same. Nothing new from BMW as usual. But that ugly ugly grill
I’m sure it’s beautifully made, but BMW, apart from the I3 which they’ve stopped building, only make Ice cars that they can shove some batteries into. I remain unimpressed with their apparent lobbying to extend ICE production timescales in Europe and the US.
@@romankrucker Brian has a point. BMW is lobbying. They are amongst the loudest voices in Europe to extend the life of the ICE. Which in truth, needs to end asap. Both the lobbying and the ICE.
@@romankrucker only iX is full EV, the other ones are ICEs also, even worse than the i4, whos platform was created with EV and ICE in mind. @Brian: why unimpressed? BMW delivered an extremely good EV on a basically ICE platform. More choice to the people. Cheaper for BMW to produce. That's why the price of the i4 is comparatively low. M3 lr is not that much cheaper, at least hear in Germany (almost equal in price)
just about ALL Legacy oem's are either Reusing EXISTING platforms or are using a GAS body on a MULTIPLATFORM bev Drivetrian. TESLA, RIVIAN and LUCID all use Bespoke Platform & Body.
Where did Munro unearth this half-scared sales guy? Are all engineers on vacation in July? 86mph is ridiculous at any time? Spooked by FWD collision mitigation? 5 car length is too-close for following other vehicles? OK, Ms. Daisy.
the ULTIUM battery is OUTDATED Pouch Li technology from the early Laptop era. they are not advanced cells like 1865/2170 & 4680. with a PROVEN track record for SAFETY.
Well in the M3 it really looks like an iPad stuck on the dash and in the wrong place at that. The BMW at least gives you information in freakin front of you, not near the passenger
@@lampiditesla it's not about simplification or at least only in a sense to be able to produce the cheapest car possible. Mercedes did also displays like that with no integration whatsoever. There are advantages and disadvantages to that approach. I do think it looks much better integrated, but visibility is better with the higher position
This guy is great. Bring him back more often. Straight up kind of guy
Seems like the type that would own that car. Or its ICE version.
Humour and competence seem to be living happily together, at Munro. Very enjoyable episode.
Excellent video. I love the critical appraisal, much more direct and objective than many other ‘journalistic’ presenters.
damn it sandy, give us the 4680 teardown not BMW videos haha
Nah BMW i4 vids are awesome
4680 is too unimpressive, so they hope you just forget about it. ;-)
Thanks Mike. Enjoyed the drive demo of the driver assistance settings and features.
Glad you enjoyed it
I'm thrilled about all these BMW i4 videos! Keep them coming
We bought an i4 D40 for my wife's daily driver because of the drive-feel, the excellent dash and controls, and the very nice/clean/easy to see and use HUD.
The car noise seems fairly loud. Can you turn that "feature" off?
Yes
You can turn it off for $4.99 a month 😜
@@FeiraxIS350 You can also not choose to buy it
Ahhh... the melodic sounds of a 70's Yamaha dirt bike in the forest. 😄
I bought one after watching Sandy's reviews. It's now my daily after years with the model 3, and I have no complaints about it. Works as intended. No silly business. The tech is also phenomenal. The road comfort and noise levels is another thing that messes with my head. I have a BMW m3 and you can feel everything including the speed. But with this one 80 feels like 50. Amazing job by BMW. Excited for the Neue Klasse EV's from them!
Haha that acceleration sound effect is so silly. Only legacy ICE manufacturers would think that's a good idea.
It can be turned off. Better than fart noises like Tesla does.
No a lot of people like me think it's a good idea even I do prefer EVs over ICEs.
@@SuperHumhum Those are silly game features, not something it's doing by default.
@@moreliberty1 As far as I know, the sounds are only in sport mode by default. Not in the normal mode. But everything is adjustable.
@@SuperHumhum Good to know it can be disabled. It's really embarrassing for a BEV to make such noise in the cabin.
I have a slightly older version of this ADAS suite in a 2021 BMW iX3 since December and let me tell you it works wonderfully. Never warning me with phantom dangers (worst offender in my limited experience: Audi Q5 & A6). At the same time it did warn me several times in situations I would qualify myself as dangerous and requiring full driver’s attention. Also worth noting that the systems visibly improved with a Spring ‘22 software update. I bet the i4’s software will further improve too.
I4 and iX3 Adas Systems are identical in relative to hardware / Sensors … both from 2018, SW might be different, also depending on trim. The tested package appears to be the top trim, since it includes overtaking / lane changing. Would be interesting to compare i4 and iX, the latter is to my knowledge the only BMW with a SP 2021 Hardware Setup. SP = Service Pack. SP 2018 is older EQ4 Mobileye Processor, where as SP 2021 is current generation Mobileye EQ5 plus additional Intel and Infineon SOCs and MCU.
I wish you would focus more on the road view than on the driver. Not useful to understand how the car is performing lane centering, etc. if you focus on the driver
I don't recall seeing any mention in any of your reviews of how well the "headlight brightness sensor with on coming traffic" works at night. I've seen complaints about the sensor in some vehicles not reacting quickly enough and thus blinding the on coming traffic. Please consider evaluating that feature in your upcoming reviews. Also, I've seen some imo troubling videos where the Tesla is on a narrow road that has no center line marking with on coming traffic. The driver has to intervene in order to avoid running the on coming traffic off the road. Thanks for putting your reviews on video!
Mike, well done professional review.
Beautiful car
Great presenter and analysis. Thanks
Thanks for watching, Alton!
Mike is a natural. Great video
Nice presentation.
Thanks for watching, Madeline!
Dealerships should try selling their cars like this. Oddly enough, I'd buy an i4 from this guy.
Salesman takes you for a test ride like this, super honest, points out what they do and don't like, highlights the features, chill conversation.
The reason they made it look like the ICE version is because they made it on a new shared platform on the same production line as the ICE version, so they share as many parts as possible.
Exactly. Lots of shared parts
Simply DELETE the gas car Design, LEAN Design the BEV w/ CLEAN SHEET Approach.
car would then be SAFER and more EFFICIENT & Lighter Weight.
@@markplott4820 why should they delete the BMW design? That would be utterly stupid. It looks like a BMW, it's easier and cheaper for BMW to produce ICE /EVs parallel on one production line. They did everything right.
@@computercrack Its not cheaper to run a mixed line. Look at the difference in margin on a maxed production line at Tesla. ROIC shows you have to bite the bullet and invest in your line if you want profitable company into the future: Tesla 22.74% - BMW 5.35%!
@@computercrack - BMW is too SLOW, too Short RANGE , too HEAVY and Really INEFFICIENT. thats why .
Everything Improves when you use GIGACASTINGS and Structural battery pack and even BETTER with Clyndrical Battery cells , both RIVIAN and LUCID use them.
even Better IF you can cast the WHOLE car body in a Gigacast.
for now we just have 3 part Underbody w/ 2 castings .
the Structural battery is like BRICKS , helps w/ Handeling and 50/50 weight .
I drive a new MS and found the “forced car noise” in the BMW car annoying . Hope they have an option to mute the engine noise. Also a yoke may provide better visibility of screens. The display was very busy and could cause information overload.
I believe the engine noise is a requirement from the federal government (NHTSA)
Of course you can deactivate the sound inside the car. Outside warning for pedestrians can't be deactivated but shouldn't be hear able inside.
@@zombiegun71 to the outside of the car is mandatory up to 25mph(?) or so…
but to the inside, that’s just pure garbage, hope you can turn that off.
@@bsl2501 ah, gotcha. Makes sense
BMW may be criticized for using a half-assed shared platform but they did the right thing, staying away from that joke of a yoke.
12:38 what's that under the rear view mirror?
Great commentary!
Glad you think so!
The Driver Assist Features are standard BMW features, not specific to being an EV
Watching this after watching a Tesla drive with FSD through the city for 1 hour with 0 interruptions is like watching ads for Nokias new smart phone in 2010. Insane how far behind BMW are.
Apples and Oranges. FSD is a beta product which will stay L2. BMW has an upcoming L2+ system coming this year similar/superior than FSD and an L3 coming next year. Both also in Beta, but not publicly available for customers.
@@victorfrombcn please come back when you have watched this video.
ruclips.net/video/YhbrCppGoXY/видео.html
BMWs can maybe perhaps possibly change lanes while Teslas can drive for an hour through towns. BMW will never catch up to this.
Its always the same story. Tesla is miles ahead and other companies who are desperately trying to catch up, and when you mention how far ahead Tesla is you ALWAYS come back with "Apples and oranges". I am laughing.
@@victorfrombcn Good to know. Is the i4 equipped to accept and use an update to the L3 software? Thanks!
@@rbassdo No, the i4 won’t support L3. L3 requirements are very high in terms of computing power, sensor array and redundancy. That’s also the reason Tesla FSD will never be L3. There are strict ASIL requirements that Tesla will never meet, specially with the Tesla Vision only-camera setup on their Model 3s and Model Ys.
For BMW I expect the i7 and iX to be the first to support L3 driving.
@@PatrikSteal Thanks for the video. I’ve watched it fully. I’m still not impressed. The car has managed to switch lanes, stop a traffic lights, and join a highway with some support from the driver. However it’s all done in ideal conditions and without full responsibility. (L2). The car cannot guarantee at any moment that is capable independently of driving the vehicle and face any unexpected emergency situation. I know as well that Tesla Vision is incapable of distinguishing far away objects, and still confuses rain with some background trees. And what about foggy or rainy conditions? Or the max speed ? Those are situations where that system is heavily limited. I don’t want to fully dismiss it, because it’s great that Tesla makes it available to customers. However it’s no L3 and will never be. It’s impossible.
Nice to see more faces that represent the size and talent at Monro & associates 👍🏼
Who makes the BMW ADAS chip? What third party makes the main ADAS system?
NVIDIA/Mobile eye or possibly Another.
ONE clue is BMW ADAS is LIMITED to certain streches of road where its pre mapped.
its is not a Generalized AI neural net like TESLA.
Will you ever compare a comma 3 running openpilot to stock adas
Is this supposed to compete with TSLA FSD?
Can ADAS prevent one from falling down the cliff?.
🤗👍THANKS MIKE AND ERIC …great review…. just wanna say that MIKE is “well suited “for this video 😁
And thanks to all the MUNRO TEAM behind scenes and the patrons as well 👏👏👏🤗😎😍😍😍
What happens when you tap the left indicator while the lane left if you is full of cars?
BMW drivers never use the indicators anyway 😂
That spaceship sound is great 👌
I am of the opposite opinion.
@@My_HandleIs_ i feel u
@@My_HandleIs_ Yeah it’s got a bit of hilarity to it as well
@@My_HandleIs_ You can turn it off. No problem. Than you have one of the qiutest car on the market. Not a wind engine noise beside your ear like Tesla for example.
Mike said that he had a problem with the steering blocking part of the gauges. Wouldn't a car like a BMW have a adjustable steering wheel? For an $83,000 car to have a fixed wheel seems cheap.
When he was driving, later on, he disengaged the "ADAS" to activate "Distance Driving". When he did, and edged out of his lane, the car chimed and a message said to "stay in his lane". Mike accepted this as a passive system as opposed to an active system. For me, as a driver, I would rather have the car keep itself in its lane, rather than hearing a "chime", (that sounds identical to other warnings), and then taking your eyes off the road long enough to read a message about what that chime was for. I give that feature a downgrade.
The car has a movable steering column 100%. He probably just likes the driving position that way although its not ideal for the line of sight to the instrument cluster
He said in the video he liked the steering position. He can change it but will get a less comfortable steering position.
@@computercrack Yes, that is what he said.
I would of liked to see what it does if you put the signal on while there is a car beside you. I assume it would not wait, manuvere ahead or behind, and just crash ?
The car obviously wouldn't change the lane and wait for the other car to disappear. I don't think it would speed up or down to change the lane. So worst case you'll never change lane if the car doesn't disappear.
I like that shepherds tone as it's accelerating.
Steering wheel is adjustable and can telescope up toward you..
Give this guy more airtime!
On the "new" matte paints and black-out trims, I remember when poor folks would paint their car with matte primer spray cans paint and cheap cars were all black with no chrome.
It is now a cool. fashion statment- or so they think.
Years later those poor folks started to add chrome trims to their cars. The wheel keeps turning.
“Let’s see if I can stay out of the hospital or jail”. He should’ve hit the top of the car to hit peak car salesmanship 👨💼
Good review. Thanx. Yes, often unclear exactly what the assisted status is. Great driving car. Car moves for braking, lane change etc a bit too abrupt. BMW could program slight phase in for smoothness. No reference in video to distance controls. Those were adjustable next to the speed adjust lever.
Beavis: "He said ate ass!"
Guess any drive you avoid both jail and the hospital is a good one…
You need a standard set of test cases and edge cases. I would like to see apples to apples of good, the bad and ugly. This is WAY TOO SIMPLISTIC to compare these systems. Almost say, it has cruise control+. Not very insightful
TESLA tests for BEYOND 5 star crash safety and TESTS for edge cases that IIHS+ and NHTSA ignore. MODEL Y was built from the Ground up to be a 6 star car.
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Mike, great video. Is this a Tesla model s competitor? While it has a luxurious interior, I think it’s built on an ice frame so won’t have the range, charging speed, efficiency, etc of a Tesla or Lucid.
It actually is as efficient as a Model 3 with more range. Check Teslabjorn videos.
Nice flipphone
Thanks, interesting to have the contrast with other vehicles. Hoping Honda gets theirs right
How does it compare to similar driving aids in Tesla vehicles? Better or worse?
Great video but there cost of the paint almost made me cry
Tesla charges $1500 for red paint. Did that make you howl?
That is nothing. Porsche paints a car in any colour of your choice, its like a 10.000$ option. Or colour of choice "plus" is 17-20thousand $ where Porsche develops a colour according to a sample colour you provide.
Uhh adaptive cruise control should be setup to maintain any cruising speed that one desires (with some minimum and Max). Being set at 86mph can be adjusted. Probably what the last tester used.
I've been able to use this driving assistant up to 210 kph in a German Autobahn. It works flawlessly.
"Trinocular!" Nice.
that fake engine noise seems really weird
That bumper camera placement is crazy.
strictly for Parking assist , not for use when Driving like TESLA .
@@markplott4820 sure, but the likelihood of that camera getting hit while a valet is parking or damaged by pebbles on the freeway or other issues is pretty high in that location.
Maybe I’m wrong, it was just my initial reaction when I saw how exposed it is.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
FYI, no need to hold blinker stalk for auto Lane change, just tap it
The grill reminds me of a vegetable grater. Not a good look to me.
With their fingers crossed behind their back they say they are committed to ZEV development.
The fake engine noise says it all.
Homely front end. Admit it.
WOO WOO WOO !!!
is it me or the car on the freeway does Honda noises?
The icons are displayed in the HUD
Please test the traffic jam mode
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I truly hate the engine noise, absolutely makes no sense. The luxury of not having any engine sounds is futuristic and the evolution of car making.
Deactivate it then!
Until your passengers get nauseous after a sharp acceleration. Been there, done that. Not fun for them
Do BMW drivers even know where the turn signals are?
I think this guy got the optional indicator fluid topped up. :)
Sorry, but the exactly same can be said about Tesla drivers too!
Isn't speed limit control dangerous? If someone is going fast behind you and you need to accelerate to avoid the accident, you are limited to XX mph. Clicking a button isn't a "normal reaction" to this type of circumstance.
That’s exactly why BMW have a step down mode in the pedal to override any speed limit. It’s a safety feature.
What are the warranty on vehicle components? Run it to an autocross trach that will shake out the bugs!
People gonna be pissed when they see a BMW parked in an EV only parking 😂
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That sound is horrible, droning noise, wheel barring failure sounding noise… no thanks on this thing
Deactivate it then
Nothing like reviewing a car and having no idea how any of the features are supposed to work, then complaining about things you don't understand. At least read the owners manual before you do your review so you know how to activate etc. These guys love Tesla with the world's dumbest mid car dash, but he bitches about BMW. Half the features he may not have on or understand.
Heads-up display and max speed limiter are nice. Not being able to see screen is a huge negative.
Nice paint job!
I like how this video spends 90% of the time focused on the one thing the video isn't about (the driver...)
Maybe the collision warning setting is on a European scale. Traffic is so much tighter and quicker and people generally react faster, so I don’t think a setting like that would be universal between continents.
In my experience, the follow distance in mainland Europe is usually higher than in the US. There's a heck of a lot of rear end 'domino' collisions in the US due to so few people keeping a good follow distance. :)
Of course it should be the same worldwide really, a car can stop just as fast or slow on asphalt in the EU or US.
@@VoxelLoop I observed in the US, especially outside New York City is, is that people just won’t pay attention at all. I have seen crashes happen in slow Mo, one person changing lanes on a 5 Lane Highway without looking, the other person honking, and over what seems like a minute or two they slowly slowly crash into each other. I spent 12 years living in the Boston area, so I do have some experience, also driving in California in the Midwest. Let’s just say this: if you change lanes in the Midwest that way you’ll change lanes in Germany, France, or Italy, people will honk at you and have a heart attack. The “processor speed” it’s just so much lower, but that is fine, I don’t mind the relax driving, as long as people pay attention. Every place has its own style. When I go to Eataly with my car, I switch off collision detect all together, The wise I wouldn’t manage driving through a roundabout without slowing down traffic in general. After moving back to Europe after 12 years, it took me a month or so to reassess my clock speed and have more confidence and other drivers.
What's amazing to me is Tesla aside. Ford had tech just as good drive assist In 2019 and lots of these "upgrades" seem to be downgrades at a higher price to improved ratio. Meanwhile Tesla gets better and legacy upgrades seem to be downgrades considering cost that 20k cars have better tech. Wierd man
That is exactly what I was thinking. I had a Tesla MYP delivered a month ago. I actually was not impressed with the Level 2 driver assist.
My 2020 Ford Explorer Platinum did better and was very smooth. Also my Ford had 360 view which came in very handy when parking .
I miss the forward camera to see how close I am to what's in front of me. That display with indicates the distance of the object in front of you is worthless since it is aimed higher than a high curb in front of you. You won't know you it's there untill the bumper rides over it and scrapes your bottom.
I don't know why Tesla doesn't use the front camera.
I also miss the Auto parking feature that parked me in tight places both perpendicular and parallel.
The Ford and most other cars also had Cross traffic warning.
And when backing up, the brakes apply automatically 1 foot before you struck an item.
Why can't my new more expensive more technicality advanced car do that?
ruclips.net/video/GCRNYP5Qg34/видео.html
Munro is testing an at least 5 years old assistant drive plus system.
You can set the level of assistance from nothing, to warnings, to steering wheel vibrations and two levels of active steering wheel corrections.
Well, it's still more advanced than the one Tesla has.
@@SuperHumhum
Tesla can do much more but you’ll have to pay (dearly) for it.
@@Conservator. No they can't. Even if you pay. A Tesla can't start and stop automatically on traffic lights, engage the driving assistant automatically after a lane change, have a tolerance in speed limits (like add +6 on speed limits), show in how many miles a speed limit change appears. Tech wise, a Tesla has no radar which causes all sorts of problems (vision only was a huge mistake, hence the new ones are going back to radar systems), a Tesla has no capacitive steering wheel. Having to wiggle the steering wheel is ancient technology. Boy, I can go on and on.
@@SuperHumhum Search on RUclips for Tesla FSD beta and you’ll be surprised.
FSD beta is on a totally different level. It detects dogs, opening doors, crossing pedestrians even when they are temporarily hidden behind a car, etc etc.
(I’m not a Tesla fanboy but their FSD is miles ahead imo).
The BMW driving assistent can’t take a roundabout or drive in the small streets.
@@Conservator. FSD is not L3 and will never be, they lack the required safety features at hardware and software level . BMW is releasing a L3 system next year, on the other hand.
I like the comment by @silly stuff' to have a standardized ADAS test. Suggest something like the Out Of Spec Reviews hogback run as mentioned in another review. Should have subjective and objective components. Should also list all the sensors and have an estimated cos( as well. All this would be akin to the tests done by Consumer Reports. But, make them simple. Or, just get a "Sandy Score" 0 to 10!
I hope dude sells cars cause he’s great❤ I toured and I for for like a week great car BMW did a good job other than I don’t like the exhaust port on the bumper. I wish they were totally removed like on Tesla.
The screen looks out of place, like it's not well integrated. They just slap a screen on top of the dash.
Looks like semi auto drive? Not what i have in mind
"Impressed" with it being north of $80k? Well allrighty then.
"fast" miles per hour 😂👍
I’ve heard it called the Monkey-Butt Grill, but to me BMW’s current grill is more like a baboon’s backside. . .
Most folks get the whole primate / genus / species thing mixed up. Whatever one thinks it looks like there is ONE thing in common; it looks stupid.
LOL makes engine noises. Really dumb for an electric car to make ICE noises.
No it's not. It's great to have acoustic feedback especially if your driving sporty. Tesla owners will not approve of course lol
It's an impressive system and so much more advanced than Teslas. Btw. you can turn the engine noise off and you can adjust the tolerance in speed limits to automatically use, which was set apparently to +6 in your car. You can go from +0 up to +15.
Oh yeah, so much more advanced than Tesla, it will drive in city streets no problem.
@@johnmqueripel2367 🧂
@@johnmqueripel2367 No, but it has traffic light recognition and reaction, adjustable speed limit tolerance, automatic take over of speed limits, no phantom braking due to radar and camera, shows distance to the next speed limit sign, engages the lane keeping system automatically after a lane change and has a capacitive steering wheel. I guess I could find more stuff that Tesla doesn't have.
FALSE, Tesla Autopilot is a FULL TIME Level 3 ADAS while the FSD beta is a FULL TIME hands on wheel w/ CABIN camera and LIDAR that is LEVEL 4 ADAS.
ELON's personal Model S and other ALPHA testers are using FSD beta w/ HANDS FREE Level 4 ADAS.
Tesla is close to Releasing FSD Wide Beta this year that uses Driver Monitoring and SAFETY score app.
FSD beta can now Detect & Remember rough roads and potholes and Model S/X can Automatically adjust suspension for Smoother ride.
@@markplott4820 Well, it doesn't count until it's released for everyone. If I drive a car today, I have the tools of today. Period. What the future brings we'll see. I guess other manufacturers are also evolving their system.
Seems like off the top of his head he really missed the pricing of the options, by 3x ... Maybe some of his opinions would have been different throughout had he known?
This ADS was bought from some Chinese company maybe BYD. My 3 year old Hyundai does all this exactly the same. Nothing new from BMW as usual. But that ugly ugly grill
Bmw with indicator stalk?! Must be a first! They never indicate :)
I hope that silly engine sound can be disabled!
Yes it can
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I’m sure it’s beautifully made, but BMW, apart from the I3 which they’ve stopped building, only make Ice cars that they can shove some batteries into. I remain unimpressed with their apparent lobbying to extend ICE production timescales in Europe and the US.
They have the iX, iX3, iX1
And there will be the 5series with bespoke ev architecture.
@@romankrucker Brian has a point. BMW is lobbying. They are amongst the loudest voices in Europe to extend the life of the ICE. Which in truth, needs to end asap. Both the lobbying and the ICE.
@@romankrucker only iX is full EV, the other ones are ICEs also, even worse than the i4, whos platform was created with EV and ICE in mind.
@Brian: why unimpressed? BMW delivered an extremely good EV on a basically ICE platform. More choice to the people. Cheaper for BMW to produce. That's why the price of the i4 is comparatively low. M3 lr is not that much cheaper, at least hear in Germany (almost equal in price)
just about ALL Legacy oem's are either Reusing EXISTING platforms or are using a GAS body on a MULTIPLATFORM bev Drivetrian.
TESLA, RIVIAN and LUCID all use Bespoke Platform & Body.
@@romankrucker - i5 will have a GAS based bev Platform.
Yep Tesla yoke theres a reason for that when you choose to have a display in front of a wheel
Food or thought.
Where did Munro unearth this half-scared sales guy? Are all engineers on vacation in July?
86mph is ridiculous at any time? Spooked by FWD collision mitigation? 5 car length is too-close for following other vehicles?
OK, Ms. Daisy.
Michigan roads…
You didn't recognize his sarcasm about the 86mph
Unicorn needs a REFRESHER on Drivers ED.
or LICENSE taken away.
I can't wait until you dissect an Ultium product or the LYRIQ
the ULTIUM battery is OUTDATED Pouch Li technology from the early Laptop era.
they are not advanced cells like 1865/2170 & 4680. with a PROVEN track record for SAFETY.
Dash and wheel are messy. Too many things to look at meaning too many pcs to fix. Nice interior.
Can you turn that noise off ? Or is this car only for knuckleheads?
It's interesting when people complain about Model 3 screen design not being integrated in the dash... Guys, really??? This BMW design just sucks!!!
Well in the M3 it really looks like an iPad stuck on the dash and in the wrong place at that. The BMW at least gives you information in freakin front of you, not near the passenger
@@computercrack Model 3 and Y are all about simplification. Speaking about integration, Mercedes did much better
@@lampiditesla it's not about simplification or at least only in a sense to be able to produce the cheapest car possible. Mercedes did also displays like that with no integration whatsoever. There are advantages and disadvantages to that approach. I do think it looks much better integrated, but visibility is better with the higher position
I really don't like the noises it makes 😖
Deactivate it then.
FIRST THEY MAKE THEIR ICE CARS UGLY THEN THEY PUT THE "PIG'S NOSE" GRILLE ON A CAR THAT DOESN'T NEED ONE.