Fantastic testimony! I have family that are LDS, I grew up in Utah, the hub of Mormonism; and by the grace of God I was lead to read the whole Bible and it changed my life. It's seemingly impossible to get through to them about the biblical truth. But, like you're story, I hope there are seeds that will be watered and sprout in the right time. May YHWH bless you.
Wow, we have a lot in common. I grew up Mormon in Ogden, Utah, and I was a member for 30 years. After discovering several inconsistencies in church doctrine, my husband and I stopped attending ten years ago. Three years ago, my husband randomly suggested that we attend Alpine Christian Church for an Easter Sunday service, and I met the true Jesus Christ for the first time. I also realized how little I had known about the Bible - although I had been a church-going “Christian” for 30 years!! We were lucky to have stumbled upon a good, Biblically-sound church. We’ve been Christian ever since. 🙏 I no longer live in Ogden, but I was driving through the intersection of 40th and Washington two days ago. I also have an Aunt Debbie. How funny! Thank you so much for sharing your story - God bless you!
Beautiful beautiful testimony!!! Wouldn’t it be wonderful if all the mormons would read the Bible as a child, like he said, and find truth & come out of that cult to find the REAL Jesus?!!! Praise Jesus that he is saved now!! 🙌🙌🙌
Praise the Lord brother! Thank you for an excellent testimony! Yes, God does put people in our lives at certain points along the way to help guide us back to HIM!
Brian may God bless you and keep you!! I was in the LDS church as a teenager and I remember we worshipped Joseph Smith. I knew this was a false church. Glory to God
@MissJanina1 I am not a man and yes JS was all we talked about point blank period. Plus the adults ran a nice black family out of the church. Horrible church
@@andreatimmers1720 I apologize, sister, i didn't read your name correctly. But to say that we worship JS is simply false. You say you attended the LDS church as a teenager, so I'm guessing you left not too long after that, which means I've spent much more time in the church than you have and I can confirm that we absolutely do not worship Joseph Smith. I don't mean to be disrespectful or to start an argument, but I've attended the LDS church all my life and Christ has always been the focus. I just wanted to correct this misconception. I only feel love for my Christian brothers and sisters. God bless you.
What a lie. You know that Latter Day Saints don’t in any way worship Joseph Smith, or any other prophets or apostles. Latter Day Saints worship God the Father and Jesus Christ.
For just as moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness so shall the son of man be lifted up, that anyman look upon him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Wow. That’s an amazing story. I have some parallels with this man. I was Catholic, then Mormon, then I joined the Marines. Lost my faith in Jesus because of the Mormon church. I found the real Jesus a few years ago.
Brian Brady says it’s nothing that he can do to gain salvation; it’s Christ alone that provides it as a free gift. The Bible says Matthew 19:17, 1 John 1:7, Matthew 25, James 2:24, Titus 3:8.
The Bible doesn’t teach that Noah was “a drunk”but that one day he drank some of the wine produced from the grapes of his farming and became drunk. That’s a bit different.
Matthew 13:18-23 18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. 22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
No , the lds Church does not worship the same Jesus as the True Biblical Historical Jesus Christ. Many within the Church do not realise this, however. One difference is that the lds believe that Jesus is lucifers brother rather than his creator. Please read Joseph Smith's King Follet Discourse . Compare this sermon to the Words of Isaiah 43.10, Isaiah 44.6, Isaiah 45.5, John1.1 to the words of Joseph Smith , the difference is clear.
President Hinckley clearly said to journalists at the Salt Lake Olympics,"yes it is true the there IS A DIFFERENT JESUS WE HAVE THAN BIBLE CHRISTIANS!" YES,HE S NOT THE SPIRIT BROTHER OF LUCIFER HE NEVER HAD A GRANDFATHER MORONI8:18/HEBREWS13:5😊
Yes, it is the same Jesus! Take it from somebody who used to be a part of the Bible Belt and is now a part of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints! For 22 years my other church is couldn’t help me stay sober for 22 years I watched other people hurt other people in the church and get away with it. When I found this church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints, I found my Truth. Go find yours! Ask God what your truth is and God will bring you what your Truth is meant to be, and when he does, reside there, don’t let anybody move you except God himself .❤ There are over 150,000 different beliefs in the entire world. Keep that in mind when you’re judging someone else’s beliefs. I study different cultures and different religions so that I might understand not try to condemn and convert .
And there are just as many stories about people that got saved by Jesus into the LDS church, and I saw it happe often, where hearts and minds were healed, where people with bad and evil behaviours embraced in love Jesus Christ... So, this is nothing special to happen within Evangelism, nor is it something unique to happen within Mormonism, it just hapens to all sort of people with all sorts of religion, and therefore is a really weak argument for one or the other religion.. The only real argument that counts is whether people fulfill the highest of Gods standarts, the one that stands even about saving faith, which is, true charity.. And no, with Charity I would not refere to just being kind people, rather Charity is the "good fruit", and the only thing that really matters, for even if you have faith to remove mountains, or work mighty miracles, or know all things, never err in doctrine, its still all worth nothing without charity.. And what is Charity? Right, is unfaked kindness, long-suffering, mindfulness, selflessness, patience, meekness, out of the right reasons, meaning, not out of fear of hell, or out of mere obidience, but out of a pure heart.. So, I feel joy for Brian if that is what he found.. but I also know Evangelicals that experienced the excact same thing turning towards Mormonism, and that causes me to be humble about it, understanding that Gods ways, are not always our ways, and I think we would all benefirt from developing that kind of humility, for everything else denies the power and importance of real Charity.
@@Liberator54321 What brings us back to the question, what is truth? And how do you discern truth?.. You will say, by the Bible.. Well, take ten people, with ten Bibles, and every God within each Bible will tell that he and his Bible are the only true truth.. ... and at least at this point the argument that the Bible is the ultimate source of truth losses its power.. You say "love rejoices in truth".... but love also treats other people the way they want to be treated, understanding that judging others to hell due to a personal interpretation of the Bible, will bring just that kind of judgement upon their own head, no matter how right they may be.. So, we know true from false followers of Christ by their fruits, meaning by their charity, which is independent from religion, the Bible, and everything else.. or why else did Jesus consider the good Samaritian "good", though he was the first Mormon of New Testament times, meanig, he erred in doctrine, did not believe in the right Jesus, and knew nothing about Evangelism... ?
@@SimonDaumMusic Your arguments are inconsistent and circular. You appeal to the Bible when you feel it supports you, but suddenly doubt it when it doesn’t. Your hypothetical makes no sense with “every God within each Bible.” But no, that’s not what I was going to say. You assumed what I would say and then responded to that assumption. There is zero evidence for the Book of Mormon. Not one confirmed place, battle, coin, or name. No such thing as “reformed Egyptian.” Joseph Smith was a known con-man who used the exact same occult method he used to deceive people to claim to translate gold plates that no one ever physically saw. He got everything wrong about the Egyptian papyrus he “translated.” The LDS church acknowledges this about the book of Abraham and has now walked it back as an “inspired translation.” Warning people of hell and false doctrine is not unloving. It is out of love that we choose to engage with Mormons. We are not “judging others to hell.” I welcome and actually have respect for Mormons who say I worship a false Christ or have false doctrine. So it is purely your assumption and/or misunderstanding that we are “judging others to hell.” If I tell someone, “That’s poisonous. You’ll die if you eat it,” am I judging them to death? The “good Samaritan” is a parable. The Samaritan was not a Mormon. The woman at the well was a Samaritan. The Samaritans were not people who taught that God was once a man and that we can all become gods. So don’t try equate a Samaritan who has “erred in his doctrine” with being a Mormon, as if that’s what categorizes someone as such. You cannot cling to the idea of “charity” (love) as being evidence of a true follower of Christ and separate it from “religion, the Bible, and everything else.” That is inconsistent. Where do you get this idea that it’s the most important thing? The Bible. So… the Bible is the standard? No, it’s “independent of religion, the bible, and everything else.” But it’s from the Bible…. So you can’t appeal to the teachings found in the Bible as your source. You’re literally citing something from the Bible (the Good Samaritan) as the basis for your arguments. You cannot say what a true follower of Christ looks like but then separate it from the Bible if you’re going to then immediately use the Bible as your standard. Everything about Mormonism is for the purpose of becoming a god where one will be worshipped by their children. It is for personal gain. That is not Christ-like. Just because Mormons do good things with a smile on their face, or genuinely love and care for others does not mean they are being Christ-like or make them true followers of Christ. No matter how much they might love someone, everything is ultimately done for their own glorification. To achieve anything other than godhood is considered a failure on the Mormon’s part. They didn’t do enough good, did not faithfully keep the commandments, or did not truly repent of all sins in this life. Only the “best” Mormons become gods. Spencer W. Kimball said that only the “unvaliant” do not attain godhood, further supporting that Mormonism is ultimately for self glorification-to become and be worshiped as a god.
@@Liberator54321 Finally I get a long response, thanks for taking the time :) Why does my hypothetical not make sense? In ancient times there were scriptures with Deitys that also claimed there was none other besides them.. There are people with other scripture that have Gods in their scriptures that also claim to be of the one God.. So as I see it, it is not a hypothesis at all, it is how the world is made, and you have not given me any answer on how you would discern between the real Bible, and the real God, within all this "mess"? You say the Bible, right? Or am I wrong with that.. James White states on his Website: ""Protestants do not assert that solar scriptura is a valid concept during times of revelation, how could it be since the rule of faith to which it points was at that very time coming into being" So explain to me how this works.. The Bible does not teach Sola Scriptura during Biblical times (times of revelation).. So what was it then, a revelation that came unbiblicly after the Canon was closed? The opinion of a Martin Luther, who later claimed: "I'm certain of it I shall be your judge and even the angels judge through this teaching whoever does not accept my teaching may not be saved.“ So yes, mayby I asumed that you would say its the Bible, because it simply is what Evangelicals believe, or am I wrong on that? Now, you are wrong that there are no evidences for the Book of Mormon, there actually are many.. (Take a look at the RUclips Chanel "The Stick of Joseph", and judge for yourself, but please only after you gave it a chance).. I dont recall the excact numbers, but a few decades ago, there were around 200 anachronism that people used to prove how the Boof Mormon is false, and to this day over 100 of them have been solved and proven right.. for example, in the BOM it talks about huge cities and roads being built, long time being used against it, now proven to be correct.. So, what you know are the one-sided things you are told by other people that only desire to prove the BOM false and evil.. Some of the thnigs you listed against the BOM have long been proven to be false.. You say it is out of love that you engage with Mormons, and I have no doubt there are many that truly do, I am not the judge, but when I see Apologia Utah putting up a video of LDS Elders with the big title "Mormon Missionaries caught lying", because one of the Elders pretended to not speak english for training purposes, which of course is not ok, but then at the same time putting to public shame two Elders, filming them secretly, stating that this kind of lying is systematically taught within the church, than that is hypocracy.... Just as it is to have a handbook on how to apporach Mormon Missionaries with pretended Curiosity, just to catch them.. And did I get this right? You say you have respect for Mormons to admidt they are wrong? Does that mean you do not have that kind of respect for Mormons that believe they are right? These are not the kind of "good fruit" I have in mind whan I think of good fruits.. You see, the thing is that I am not here to prove Mormonism true, I know the LDS church has its false teachings and doctrines.. but I also see that there are contradictions and influences by men within the Bible, and so my standart is what stands the test on the outcome of charity, and all I can say is that I have seen some of the greatest, real charity, within the LDS church.. The good Samaritian did not have faith in Christ, and did not get the doctrine right, and these are excactly the things you say Mormons don't have, so, of course you can talk your way out of it, but it does not matter how much "no faith" and how much "wrong doctrine" someone has. No faith no right doctrine are the issue here, and Christ did not judge him on that, and so yes, I think thats a great way to compare the situation... The Bible is not my ultimate source of truth, I dont deny that, truth is my standart that stands the best of the good fruits, no matter where it comes from, for once I know the fruits are good, I can also trust the tree is good, as Jesus said.. To become like God, is THE argument against Mormons. I get it, it sounds evil and pridefull. But it also depends on how you look at it. When I was active in church, I saw it this way: God equals love and truth. Our goal is to become perfected in love through Jesus Christ, to become one with him as he has become one with the father. Whosoever wants to be the greatest (God is the greatest), shall be the servent of others (as Jesus set the example), and Christ invited us to come follow him. Now, do you want to call it evil to become love and truth through Jesus Christ, having the desire to serve others? Well, thats what Godhood isabout, and thats how I see it.. But, if you don't like the idea, then does it not sound very similar prideful that we will one day sit with Jesus on his throne? That we will receive of Jesus glory as Jesus received Gods glory? That we will be joint heirs with him? Thats all in the Bible. So you are wrong, in Mormonism its not all about becoming Gods, not as you see it, and its not preached every sunday from the pulpit, and it certainly is has nothing to do with gaining selfish glory.. Once you understand how Mormons view God, you will understand that this statement excludes itself, you can't become God by thinking of your own glory.. In short, to desire to become God, as most LDS truly see it, is to follow Christ, and so even if the doctrine is false, if people truly act Christlike, that is what will matter most, as it did with the Samaritian.. Now, my believes are different than the LDS believes, and I have no problem to admidt that people, prophets and doctrine are not always perfect, or err intensively, but I am also honest enough to see and say that the same applies to the Bibel, and for that, there is much archeological, historical and scientific evidence.
@@SimonDaumMusic I said your hypothetical makes no sense because there is only one Bible. Different translations don’t mean different bibles. If you’re referring to different religions with their sacred texts, those are not bibles. The difference between Christianity and other religions is that my God actually walked this earth. There’s evidence for the both the old and New Testament. But even Islam has evidence, right? Well, the god of Islam can’t even get the Trinity right, and has gnostic stories of Jesus that aren’t true. And as Aisha put it, “Your Lord hastens to fulfill your desires,” very similar to Joseph Smith. Their prophecies and revelations often benefited themselves and made everyone but them the bad guy. I would say you’re misunderstanding James White here. He can also be quoted saying, “Does the Bible teach the doctrine of sola scriptura? I have shown you two passages, 2 Timothy chapter 3, Matthew chapter 15, that present this doctrine.” He definitely teaches that the concept of sola scriptura is found in the Bible. Here’s the rest of what you cited for context: “The main element of Mr. Ray’s misrepresentation of sola scriptura can be seen in just this: the doctrine speaks of a rule of faith that exists. What do I mean by this? One will search high and low for any reference in any standard Protestant confession of faith that says, “There has never been a time when God’s Word was proclaimed and transmitted orally.” You will never find anyone saying, “During times of enscripturation-that is, when new revelation was being given-sola scriptura was operational.” Protestants do not assert that sola scriptura is a valid concept during times of revelation. How could it be, since the rule of faith to which it points was at that very time coming into being? One must have an existing rule of faith to say it is “sufficient.” It is a canard to point to times of revelation and say, “See, sola scriptura doesn’t work there!” Of course it doesn’t. Who said it did? But immediately the Roman Catholic apologist makes a fatal logical error: “Well, if there was a time when God’s Word was orally transmitted, why can’t it be today?” Such assumes the very thing Rome won’t ever dare step out and prove: that her self-proclaimed “traditions” are in fact, inspired revelation that has existed since the days of the Apostles. Indeed, many Roman apologists deny that tradition is in fact qeo,pneustoj: God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16). Some of “Tradition” may be inspired (i.e., Scripture), but many are uncomfortable having to defend the idea that “oral tradition” is in fact revelation and is inspired. If the Roman apologist wishes to say, “Well, there was a time when God-breathed revelation was orally transmitted prior to the enscripturization of that revelation,” that’s fine. But to go beyond this statement to, “And, that situation continues today, so that our traditions are equal with Scripture in authority” is to leap out of the realm of both scriptural teaching and historical reality. It is a self-evident fact that a doctrine such as the Bodily Assumption of Mary has no historical connection to the Apostles themselves. To make it an inspired “tradition” is to say revelation is still being given (a position even Rome denies).” So he’s not saying that sola scriptura wasn’t taught in biblical times. There is no evidence for the Book of Mormon. Everything is “might be, could be, thought to be.” Nothing is confirmed. Cities, roads, walls, towers, and weapons of war (incredibly vague) are not evidences for the Book of Mormon. That could be literally almost anywhere. Nothing I listed about the Book of Mormon is false. Joseph Smith was known for using a stone in a hat to search for treasure. He was even arrested for it. He used that exact same method (stone in a hat) to claim to translate gold plates. The LDS church has admitted the stone in a hat in recent years. The first witnesses “saw” the plates in a vision. Even FAIRlatterdaysaints tries to explain why seeing them in a vision was okay. As I said about the Egyptian papyrus, even the church knows he was wrong. That’s why they now say it was an “inspired translation.” You acknowledged that it was wrong for the missionary to lie about speaking English. But it’s not hypocritical to point out lying and secretly film someone. Those aren’t the same thing. And they didn’t say it was systematically taught, they said the missionaries learned it from somewhere. The impression I got from that video is that those specific missionaries were lying, not that all missionaries lie like that. I’m not sure what handbook you’re referring to, but no, in order to reach someone we should show interest. I would advise against pretending not to know anything at all, but showing interest is not deception, otherwise all Mormon missionaries are taught to lie because they have to build rapport before they start explaining why everything someone believes is wrong (not that I fault them for that). And no, I think you misread. I said I have respect for Mormons who say that I am the one with false doctrine or that I worship a false Christ. I welcome that dialogue. The Good Samaritan is a parable. Jesus is the one telling that parable. I think you’re reading into that too much with things like “Christ did not judge him for that.” Jesus was making a point with the parable. But again here you’re relying on the Bible as your ultimate source when you mention what Jesus said about good fruit, even though you say you don’t. If good fruit and love is the most important thing…. Says who? Where are you getting that from? The Bible. Jesus. Paul. The very standard to which you hold all things by is taken from the Bible. You keep referring back to it as the basis for your arguments. Jesus did not inherit divinity. Jesus is God, He did not inherit godhood. He “emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men.” Therefore being joint heirs with the Word who “became flesh, and dwelt among us,” we do not inherit divinity because He did not inherit what He always was. I don’t deny that Mormons do good things and genuinely love and care for people. I recognize that they see it as following Christ… but Christ did not become another god separate from the one true God since Jesus IS God. That means they’re following after a different Jesus. It’s not a different Christ that’s warned about, it’s a different Jesus. It’s specific to the man, Jesus. But yes, the ultimate goal of Mormonism is to become a god. I am aware that most Mormons don’t see it that way, but when it really comes down to it, all of the good they do and all of the commandments they keep is for the purpose of attaining godhood. They HAVE to do it to become a god. If they don’t, they are the “unvaliant” and will be placed in the terrestrial kingdom with us Christians. It is a FAILURE on their part to not attain godhood. They can call it “Christ-like” all they want, but that only changes “Christ-like” to mean attaining godhood. But if you’re not even a Mormon…. Then WHY are we having this discussion? 🤨
Glory to the living God who is from Everlasting to Everlasting,
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Great testimony Brian!
Please make more of these!
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Fantastic testimony! I have family that are LDS, I grew up in Utah, the hub of Mormonism; and by the grace of God I was lead to read the whole Bible and it changed my life. It's seemingly impossible to get through to them about the biblical truth. But, like you're story, I hope there are seeds that will be watered and sprout in the right time.
May YHWH bless you.
Wow, we have a lot in common. I grew up Mormon in Ogden, Utah, and I was a member for 30 years. After discovering several inconsistencies in church doctrine, my husband and I stopped attending ten years ago. Three years ago, my husband randomly suggested that we attend Alpine Christian Church for an Easter Sunday service, and I met the true Jesus Christ for the first time. I also realized how little I had known about the Bible - although I had been a church-going “Christian” for 30 years!! We were lucky to have stumbled upon a good, Biblically-sound church. We’ve been Christian ever since. 🙏
I no longer live in Ogden, but I was driving through the intersection of 40th and Washington two days ago. I also have an Aunt Debbie. How funny! Thank you so much for sharing your story - God bless you!
That's awesome, that's my story too, maybe six years ago, I wonder how many of us there are.
A LOT of us! :)
wow this is great. Praise the Lord.
Thanks Brian, I am from South Africa en really enjoyed your testimony, thank God and amen to this.
I left 2 years ago. Congratulations
So glad you found the right way to God!!! Amen
Beautiful beautiful testimony!!! Wouldn’t it be wonderful if all the mormons would read the Bible as a child, like he said, and find truth & come out of that cult to find the REAL Jesus?!!! Praise Jesus that he is saved now!! 🙌🙌🙌
Amen
Praise the Lord brother! Thank you for an excellent testimony! Yes, God does put people in our lives at certain points along the way to help guide us back to HIM!
Brian may God bless you and keep you!! I was in the LDS church as a teenager and I remember we worshipped Joseph Smith. I knew this was a false church. Glory to God
Amen,we re one in His Body now
Titus3:3-5😊
Brother, your memory is incorrect. We absolutely do not worship Joseph Smith.
@MissJanina1 I am not a man and yes JS was all we talked about point blank period. Plus the adults ran a nice black family out of the church. Horrible church
@@andreatimmers1720 I apologize, sister, i didn't read your name correctly.
But to say that we worship JS is simply false. You say you attended the LDS church as a teenager, so I'm guessing you left not too long after that, which means I've spent much more time in the church than you have and I can confirm that we absolutely do not worship Joseph Smith. I don't mean to be disrespectful or to start an argument, but I've attended the LDS church all my life and Christ has always been the focus. I just wanted to correct this misconception.
I only feel love for my Christian brothers and sisters. God bless you.
What a lie. You know that Latter Day Saints don’t in any way worship Joseph Smith, or any other prophets or apostles. Latter Day Saints worship God the Father and Jesus Christ.
I don't get emotional to almost anything but when I really think about what Jesus did for us I turn into the biggest baby and i can't explain it
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For just as moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness so shall the son of man be lifted up, that anyman look upon him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Wow. That’s an amazing story. I have some parallels with this man. I was Catholic, then Mormon, then I joined the Marines. Lost my faith in Jesus because of the Mormon church. I found the real Jesus a few years ago.
Amen brother from Ex mo john
Semper fi Marine
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Brian Brady says it’s nothing that he can do to gain salvation; it’s Christ alone that provides it as a free gift. The Bible says Matthew 19:17, 1 John 1:7, Matthew 25, James 2:24, Titus 3:8.
This guy says the true evangelical church doesn’t believe that a work like baptism is required for salvation. The bible says Mark 16:16, John 3:5.
The one thing that is true ls the Bible ,and is the only book with scripture period.
The Bible doesn’t teach that Noah was “a drunk”but that one day he drank some of the wine produced from the grapes of his farming and became drunk. That’s a bit different.
Matthew 13:18-23 18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. 22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
This Man left, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, & can't leave the CHURCH alone.
How can a woman be 9 and a half months Pregnant? 15:41
A full term pregnancy is 40 weeks
Some, left THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, due to lack of knowledge, & rebelliousness.
Does the lds church worship the same Jesus of the Bible?
Nope.
No , the lds Church does not worship the same Jesus as the True Biblical Historical Jesus Christ. Many within the Church do not realise this, however. One difference is that the lds believe that Jesus is lucifers brother rather than his creator.
Please read Joseph Smith's King Follet Discourse . Compare this sermon to the Words of Isaiah 43.10,
Isaiah 44.6, Isaiah 45.5, John1.1 to the words of Joseph Smith , the difference is clear.
President Hinckley clearly said to journalists at the Salt Lake Olympics,"yes it is true the there IS A DIFFERENT JESUS WE HAVE THAN BIBLE CHRISTIANS!"
YES,HE S NOT THE SPIRIT BROTHER OF LUCIFER
HE NEVER HAD A GRANDFATHER
MORONI8:18/HEBREWS13:5😊
@@BobF321 Thank you for your comment Robert. I just reread Hebrews 13.15. Beautiful! Continual praise of the Lord ! Amen !! Gets me all choked up...
Yes, it is the same Jesus! Take it from somebody who used to be a part of the Bible Belt and is now a part of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints! For 22 years my other church is couldn’t help me stay sober for 22 years I watched other people hurt other people in the church and get away with it. When I found this church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints, I found my Truth.
Go find yours! Ask God what your truth is and God will bring you what your Truth is meant to be, and when he does, reside there, don’t let anybody move you except God himself .❤
There are over 150,000 different beliefs in the entire world. Keep that in mind when you’re judging someone else’s beliefs.
I study different cultures and different religions so that I might understand not try to condemn and convert .
Latter Day Saints put their faith in the Jesus of the Bible.
And there are just as many stories about people that got saved by Jesus into the LDS church, and I saw it happe often, where hearts and minds were healed, where people with bad and evil behaviours embraced in love Jesus Christ... So, this is nothing special to happen within Evangelism, nor is it something unique to happen within Mormonism, it just hapens to all sort of people with all sorts of religion, and therefore is a really weak argument for one or the other religion..
The only real argument that counts is whether people fulfill the highest of Gods standarts, the one that stands even about saving faith, which is, true charity..
And no, with Charity I would not refere to just being kind people, rather Charity is the "good fruit", and the only thing that really matters, for even if you have faith to remove mountains, or work mighty miracles, or know all things, never err in doctrine, its still all worth nothing without charity..
And what is Charity?
Right, is unfaked kindness, long-suffering, mindfulness, selflessness, patience, meekness, out of the right reasons, meaning, not out of fear of hell, or out of mere obidience, but out of a pure heart..
So, I feel joy for Brian if that is what he found.. but I also know Evangelicals that experienced the excact same thing turning towards Mormonism, and that causes me to be humble about it, understanding that Gods ways, are not always our ways, and I think we would all benefirt from developing that kind of humility, for everything else denies the power and importance of real Charity.
Love rejoices in the truth, and Mormonism is not true.
@@Liberator54321 What brings us back to the question, what is truth? And how do you discern truth?..
You will say, by the Bible..
Well, take ten people, with ten Bibles, and every God within each Bible will tell that he and his Bible are the only true truth..
... and at least at this point the argument that the Bible is the ultimate source of truth losses its power..
You say "love rejoices in truth".... but love also treats other people the way they want to be treated, understanding that judging others to hell due to a personal interpretation of the Bible, will bring just that kind of judgement upon their own head, no matter how right they may be..
So, we know true from false followers of Christ by their fruits, meaning by their charity, which is independent from religion, the Bible, and everything else.. or why else did Jesus consider the good Samaritian "good", though he was the first Mormon of New Testament times, meanig, he erred in doctrine, did not believe in the right Jesus, and knew nothing about Evangelism... ?
@@SimonDaumMusic Your arguments are inconsistent and circular. You appeal to the Bible when you feel it supports you, but suddenly doubt it when it doesn’t.
Your hypothetical makes no sense with “every God within each Bible.”
But no, that’s not what I was going to say. You assumed what I would say and then responded to that assumption.
There is zero evidence for the Book of Mormon. Not one confirmed place, battle, coin, or name. No such thing as “reformed Egyptian.” Joseph Smith was a known con-man who used the exact same occult method he used to deceive people to claim to translate gold plates that no one ever physically saw. He got everything wrong about the Egyptian papyrus he “translated.” The LDS church acknowledges this about the book of Abraham and has now walked it back as an “inspired translation.”
Warning people of hell and false doctrine is not unloving. It is out of love that we choose to engage with Mormons. We are not “judging others to hell.” I welcome and actually have respect for Mormons who say I worship a false Christ or have false doctrine. So it is purely your assumption and/or misunderstanding that we are “judging others to hell.” If I tell someone, “That’s poisonous. You’ll die if you eat it,” am I judging them to death?
The “good Samaritan” is a parable. The Samaritan was not a Mormon. The woman at the well was a Samaritan. The Samaritans were not people who taught that God was once a man and that we can all become gods. So don’t try equate a Samaritan who has “erred in his doctrine” with being a Mormon, as if that’s what categorizes someone as such.
You cannot cling to the idea of “charity” (love) as being evidence of a true follower of Christ and separate it from “religion, the Bible, and everything else.” That is inconsistent. Where do you get this idea that it’s the most important thing? The Bible. So… the Bible is the standard? No, it’s “independent of religion, the bible, and everything else.” But it’s from the Bible…. So you can’t appeal to the teachings found in the Bible as your source. You’re literally citing something from the Bible (the Good Samaritan) as the basis for your arguments. You cannot say what a true follower of Christ looks like but then separate it from the Bible if you’re going to then immediately use the Bible as your standard.
Everything about Mormonism is for the purpose of becoming a god where one will be worshipped by their children. It is for personal gain. That is not Christ-like. Just because Mormons do good things with a smile on their face, or genuinely love and care for others does not mean they are being Christ-like or make them true followers of Christ. No matter how much they might love someone, everything is ultimately done for their own glorification. To achieve anything other than godhood is considered a failure on the Mormon’s part. They didn’t do enough good, did not faithfully keep the commandments, or did not truly repent of all sins in this life. Only the “best” Mormons become gods. Spencer W. Kimball said that only the “unvaliant” do not attain godhood, further supporting that Mormonism is ultimately for self glorification-to become and be worshiped as a god.
@@Liberator54321 Finally I get a long response, thanks for taking the time :)
Why does my hypothetical not make sense?
In ancient times there were scriptures with Deitys that also claimed there was none other besides them.. There are people with other scripture that have Gods in their scriptures that also claim to be of the one God.. So as I see it, it is not a hypothesis at all, it is how the world is made, and you have not given me any answer on how you would discern between the real Bible, and the real God, within all this "mess"?
You say the Bible, right? Or am I wrong with that..
James White states on his Website:
""Protestants do not assert that solar scriptura is a valid concept during times of revelation, how could it be since the rule of faith to which it points was at that very time coming into being"
So explain to me how this works.. The Bible does not teach Sola Scriptura during Biblical times (times of revelation).. So what was it then, a revelation that came unbiblicly after the Canon was closed? The opinion of a Martin Luther, who later claimed:
"I'm certain of it I shall be your judge and even the angels judge through this teaching whoever does not accept my teaching may not be saved.“
So yes, mayby I asumed that you would say its the Bible, because it simply is what Evangelicals believe, or am I wrong on that?
Now, you are wrong that there are no evidences for the Book of Mormon, there actually are many.. (Take a look at the RUclips Chanel "The Stick of Joseph", and judge for yourself, but please only after you gave it a chance)..
I dont recall the excact numbers, but a few decades ago, there were around 200 anachronism that people used to prove how the Boof Mormon is false, and to this day over 100 of them have been solved and proven right.. for example, in the BOM it talks about huge cities and roads being built, long time being used against it, now proven to be correct..
So, what you know are the one-sided things you are told by other people that only desire to prove the BOM false and evil.. Some of the thnigs you listed against the BOM have long been proven to be false..
You say it is out of love that you engage with Mormons, and I have no doubt there are many that truly do, I am not the judge, but when I see Apologia Utah putting up a video of LDS Elders with the big title "Mormon Missionaries caught lying", because one of the Elders pretended to not speak english for training purposes, which of course is not ok, but then at the same time putting to public shame two Elders, filming them secretly, stating that this kind of lying is systematically taught within the church, than that is hypocracy....
Just as it is to have a handbook on how to apporach Mormon Missionaries with pretended Curiosity, just to catch them..
And did I get this right? You say you have respect for Mormons to admidt they are wrong? Does that mean you do not have that kind of respect for Mormons that believe they are right?
These are not the kind of "good fruit" I have in mind whan I think of good fruits..
You see, the thing is that I am not here to prove Mormonism true, I know the LDS church has its false teachings and doctrines.. but I also see that there are contradictions and influences by men within the Bible, and so my standart is what stands the test on the outcome of charity, and all I can say is that I have seen some of the greatest, real charity, within the LDS church..
The good Samaritian did not have faith in Christ, and did not get the doctrine right, and these are excactly the things you say Mormons don't have, so, of course you can talk your way out of it, but it does not matter how much "no faith" and how much "wrong doctrine" someone has. No faith no right doctrine are the issue here, and Christ did not judge him on that, and so yes, I think thats a great way to compare the situation...
The Bible is not my ultimate source of truth, I dont deny that, truth is my standart that stands the best of the good fruits, no matter where it comes from, for once I know the fruits are good, I can also trust the tree is good, as Jesus said..
To become like God, is THE argument against Mormons. I get it, it sounds evil and pridefull. But it also depends on how you look at it. When I was active in church, I saw it this way:
God equals love and truth. Our goal is to become perfected in love through Jesus Christ, to become one with him as he has become one with the father. Whosoever wants to be the greatest (God is the greatest), shall be the servent of others (as Jesus set the example), and Christ invited us to come follow him. Now, do you want to call it evil to become love and truth through Jesus Christ, having the desire to serve others? Well, thats what Godhood isabout, and thats how I see it..
But, if you don't like the idea, then does it not sound very similar prideful that we will one day sit with Jesus on his throne? That we will receive of Jesus glory as Jesus received Gods glory? That we will be joint heirs with him? Thats all in the Bible.
So you are wrong, in Mormonism its not all about becoming Gods, not as you see it, and its not preached every sunday from the pulpit, and it certainly is has nothing to do with gaining selfish glory.. Once you understand how Mormons view God, you will understand that this statement excludes itself, you can't become God by thinking of your own glory..
In short, to desire to become God, as most LDS truly see it, is to follow Christ, and so even if the doctrine is false, if people truly act Christlike, that is what will matter most, as it did with the Samaritian..
Now, my believes are different than the LDS believes, and I have no problem to admidt that people, prophets and doctrine are not always perfect, or err intensively, but I am also honest enough to see and say that the same applies to the Bibel, and for that, there is much archeological, historical and scientific evidence.
@@SimonDaumMusic I said your hypothetical makes no sense because there is only one Bible. Different translations don’t mean different bibles. If you’re referring to different religions with their sacred texts, those are not bibles. The difference between Christianity and other religions is that my God actually walked this earth. There’s evidence for the both the old and New Testament. But even Islam has evidence, right? Well, the god of Islam can’t even get the Trinity right, and has gnostic stories of Jesus that aren’t true. And as Aisha put it, “Your Lord hastens to fulfill your desires,” very similar to Joseph Smith. Their prophecies and revelations often benefited themselves and made everyone but them the bad guy.
I would say you’re misunderstanding James White here. He can also be quoted saying, “Does the Bible teach the doctrine of sola scriptura? I have shown you two passages, 2 Timothy chapter 3, Matthew chapter 15, that present this doctrine.” He definitely teaches that the concept of sola scriptura is found in the Bible. Here’s the rest of what you cited for context:
“The main element of Mr. Ray’s misrepresentation of sola scriptura can be seen in just this: the doctrine speaks of a rule of faith that exists. What do I mean by this? One will search high and low for any reference in any standard Protestant confession of faith that says, “There has never been a time when God’s Word was proclaimed and transmitted orally.” You will never find anyone saying, “During times of enscripturation-that is, when new revelation was being given-sola scriptura was operational.” Protestants do not assert that sola scriptura is a valid concept during times of revelation. How could it be, since the rule of faith to which it points was at that very time coming into being? One must have an existing rule of faith to say it is “sufficient.” It is a canard to point to times of revelation and say, “See, sola scriptura doesn’t work there!” Of course it doesn’t. Who said it did?
But immediately the Roman Catholic apologist makes a fatal logical error: “Well, if there was a time when God’s Word was orally transmitted, why can’t it be today?” Such assumes the very thing Rome won’t ever dare step out and prove: that her self-proclaimed “traditions” are in fact, inspired revelation that has existed since the days of the Apostles. Indeed, many Roman apologists deny that tradition is in fact qeo,pneustoj: God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16). Some of “Tradition” may be inspired (i.e., Scripture), but many are uncomfortable having to defend the idea that “oral tradition” is in fact revelation and is inspired. If the Roman apologist wishes to say, “Well, there was a time when God-breathed revelation was orally transmitted prior to the enscripturization of that revelation,” that’s fine. But to go beyond this statement to, “And, that situation continues today, so that our traditions are equal with Scripture in authority” is to leap out of the realm of both scriptural teaching and historical reality. It is a self-evident fact that a doctrine such as the Bodily Assumption of Mary has no historical connection to the Apostles themselves. To make it an inspired “tradition” is to say revelation is still being given (a position even Rome denies).”
So he’s not saying that sola scriptura wasn’t taught in biblical times.
There is no evidence for the Book of Mormon. Everything is “might be, could be, thought to be.” Nothing is confirmed. Cities, roads, walls, towers, and weapons of war (incredibly vague) are not evidences for the Book of Mormon. That could be literally almost anywhere.
Nothing I listed about the Book of Mormon is false. Joseph Smith was known for using a stone in a hat to search for treasure. He was even arrested for it. He used that exact same method (stone in a hat) to claim to translate gold plates. The LDS church has admitted the stone in a hat in recent years. The first witnesses “saw” the plates in a vision. Even FAIRlatterdaysaints tries to explain why seeing them in a vision was okay. As I said about the Egyptian papyrus, even the church knows he was wrong. That’s why they now say it was an “inspired translation.”
You acknowledged that it was wrong for the missionary to lie about speaking English. But it’s not hypocritical to point out lying and secretly film someone. Those aren’t the same thing. And they didn’t say it was systematically taught, they said the missionaries learned it from somewhere. The impression I got from that video is that those specific missionaries were lying, not that all missionaries lie like that.
I’m not sure what handbook you’re referring to, but no, in order to reach someone we should show interest. I would advise against pretending not to know anything at all, but showing interest is not deception, otherwise all Mormon missionaries are taught to lie because they have to build rapport before they start explaining why everything someone believes is wrong (not that I fault them for that).
And no, I think you misread. I said I have respect for Mormons who say that I am the one with false doctrine or that I worship a false Christ. I welcome that dialogue.
The Good Samaritan is a parable. Jesus is the one telling that parable. I think you’re reading into that too much with things like “Christ did not judge him for that.” Jesus was making a point with the parable.
But again here you’re relying on the Bible as your ultimate source when you mention what Jesus said about good fruit, even though you say you don’t. If good fruit and love is the most important thing…. Says who? Where are you getting that from? The Bible. Jesus. Paul. The very standard to which you hold all things by is taken from the Bible. You keep referring back to it as the basis for your arguments.
Jesus did not inherit divinity. Jesus is God, He did not inherit godhood. He “emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men.” Therefore being joint heirs with the Word who “became flesh, and dwelt among us,” we do not inherit divinity because He did not inherit what He always was.
I don’t deny that Mormons do good things and genuinely love and care for people. I recognize that they see it as following Christ… but Christ did not become another god separate from the one true God since Jesus IS God. That means they’re following after a different Jesus. It’s not a different Christ that’s warned about, it’s a different Jesus. It’s specific to the man, Jesus. But yes, the ultimate goal of Mormonism is to become a god. I am aware that most Mormons don’t see it that way, but when it really comes down to it, all of the good they do and all of the commandments they keep is for the purpose of attaining godhood. They HAVE to do it to become a god. If they don’t, they are the “unvaliant” and will be placed in the terrestrial kingdom with us Christians. It is a FAILURE on their part to not attain godhood. They can call it “Christ-like” all they want, but that only changes “Christ-like” to mean attaining godhood.
But if you’re not even a Mormon…. Then WHY are we having this discussion? 🤨
Apologia is extremely wrong and doesn’t stack up to scripture.
You can look at every church on the earth and never find what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has which is the fullness of the gospel.
It’s a cult started by a man who was into the occult. He has deceived you!!
Mormons love white hats