-14,000 miles annually gasoline-free (40 miles x 365) -Never hostage to public charging that's often ICED, occupied or broken. Never conform your free time & vacations to the car's needs. -Lighter, cheaper battery with less mining involved. - 90% of an EV's benefits: Smooth, torquey, quiet, cabin preheating anywhere, strong regen, low Center of Gravity, cheap residential fuel. During extreme cold (and if battery ever degrades), it won't affect your life except to initiate the ICE sooner. Big whoop. Great concept.
@@jmel1746 Exactly.👍 GM was spot on in their battery sizing, but the public (including me in 2011) didn't grasp the benefit at the time. The poor marketing didn't help (remember the confusing 230 mpg ads with no explanation?)
And it can potentially be twice that with workplace charging, I put about 75k km on my 2017 Volt driving to and from work where I can charge and only about 1.6k km of that is in hybrid mode from the random road trip. Also I do have the "cold mode" turned on so it will actually idle the ICE for a few minutes to warm up the battery and cabin, saves a lot of EV range in the winter for almost no fuel burned in comparison. Turns out I don't need to horde 500km worth of batteries to make my commute essentially emissions free!
Tesla has shown the world that you can have an EV and you don't have to make any sacrifices for it. All-electric vehicles are cleaner, safer, faster, cheaper to run and more convenient to own than PHEVs. The damage caused by mining batteries pales in comparison to the damage caused by the oil and gas industry which has contributed to the death and suffering of millions through pollution of our air, water and bodies and will continue to do so as the planet faces unprecedented climate related disasters.
I drive Utah to Missouri 4-6 times a year in one day, so I need it too.A electric vehicle would add a day. My drive times 4am until 11pm would go through the roof.
Actually model 3 is 5.8 seconds vs Prius 6.6 second. Both can be all electric for most people. Range is up to 600 miles with the Prius up to 45 or so all electric.
Lol comparing a Tercel 4wd from 1985 to a Rav4 Prime from the 2020s I would hope your Model Y does much better as a dedicated EV platform if not you wasted your money
@@Chris21709 sure. But your MY can’t go 300 miles without needing to charge. The PP can and also can fill up in 5 minutes, can your MY charger from 20% to 80% in 5 minutes? So compare a pure EV vs HYbrid is irrelevant.
@@jml9550Charging is not as big of an inconvenience as many people make it out to be, and the other 300-some odd days when you don't need to public charge, you have a far nicer vehicle with a roomier cabin, quieter powertrain, better safety, and a much sportier driving experience. Assuming I could get them for the same price, I would pick a full EV over a PHEV any day.
@@directorjustin all valid points, but I would still get the PHEV for the convenience of not need to charge during trips. One day when an EV can go 300 miles wo needing a charge and with 5 minutes charge time, then I am all in. Roomier , safety, interior are all relative, straight line acceleration is not sporty driving IMO.
That’s impressive for miles per kwh. Especially considering it’s lugging both systems. I was surprised in the Porsche plug in hybrid figures at less than 1 mile per kwh.
34 miles is pretty good at 70 mph. I always assume that the range they give includes local driving which would bump up the range since the batteries are less efficient at highway speeds and more efficient going slower which is the opposite of gas powered cars.
it didn't make 40 miles in Tom's test. You can factor in the 1 mile of slow city driving to get onto I-5 and the 5 minutes of 60mph driving to compensate for the light rain. 34 miles is what it got with the 19" wheels. Pretty much a 2011-2015 Chevy Volt t.
@@jmel1746 Yep in my 2017 Volt I get around 60 km at highways speeds with just me in the car and moderate elevation change. About the only thing this has going for it is the AWD but I have yet to get stuck in my Volt, knock on wood.
Good videol. Could you possibly research and then state definitively whether it is possible to turn off the eye-watching feature, so there's no light, no sound -- nothing. Kinda like, you know -- driving. If so, does it come on again by default, so that it must be canceled each time you start the car, or can it be turned off permanently? Thank you.
Haven't seen this gen by myself, but the front quarter seems looking better than my Model3 and definitely better than my neighbor's ModelY. The rear is as weird as last gen. The 3rd gen probably still looks the best IMO.
I still don't understand why Toyota hasn't fully electrified the Prius line. They OWNED the BEV space for almost 2 decades. Everyone I've known who has owned a Prius now owns an EV (mostly Teslas).
Diameter to the edge of the tire is the same with a smaller rim... but a smaller rim does reduce weight, and more of the weight is concentrated towards the axle, so lower rotational mass. That's important for acceleration / deceleration efficiency, but doesn't make much of a difference at constant speed highway driving. Tire width matters far more since that directly impacts rolling resistance at all times. Although, it is possible a smaller rim (possibly with fewer air gaps) and a larger tire sidewall may improve the wheel/tire aero profile at highway speeds.
Thanks for this. This is the car I am buying next. I also agree with the car when it alerted you to the fact that you were looking away from your driver eye line too often. I have watched so many test drive videos, and most drivers don’t even look at the camera. There’s no reason to do it. So tired of distracted driving accidents. I work in emergency.
Could easily get in the 50’s! This car should get 4.5-5.0 miles per kw @ 11.5 usable in good optimal conditions. My gen 2 Volt did, and rated at 109 MPGE versus (114/124)on the Prime👍
I found Priuses the older models got better mpg in the sport mode because of the faster throttle there is no need to keep the pedal pressed down longer.
Every EV sold in North America besides Tesla vehicles comes with a J1772 inlet. The CCS connector is a "combination" of J1772 and the two DC pins, that's why it's called CCS because it means "Combined Charging System". The Prius Prime doesn' not have the two DCpins, so it cannot use a CCS connector. Plug-in hybrids very rarely have DC charging capability. Their batteries are too small, and really cannot benefit much from the faster charging capability of DC charging.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney That is exactly what i wanted to hear. I would not want a PHEV tying up a CCS charger, while a BEV is waiting to charge.
The Volt is much smaller inside.. did not even have a middle seat in the reat.. until 2016... and even then not really usable. MUCH less legroom and head room in back also. The Volt was based on the Cruze.. Too bad.. they could have made a much better car if they had used the Malibu as the base. It had good EV range, but not as efficient in Hybrid mode. Volt is very reliable from what I have heard... But I would still take the Toyota for long term reliability.
Really a 2016 so yep, about 8 years behind. The range and economy numbers are very similar, but you're not transporting four American football players in it, though my regular sized coworkers have no complaints when the four of us take my Volt to go to lunch. With the rear seats down there's plenty of cargo room in the gen2 Volt, took home a 165 cm TV in the box home with it, it was a tight squeeze though.
@@anydaynow01 I like the volt quite a bit. Always thought it was a pretty awesome system they engineered. And everything I've seen shows they are very capable of high miles. I've seen a couple of RUclips videos. One guy has a first gen and a second gen volt both have over 500,000 mi on them. Biggest thing that would prevent me from getting one is the lack of any usable room for three people in back. Which is a requirement for my needs .. other than that it, and the rear legroom being a bit tight, it was a pretty awesome design. I use my car for ride share. So rear seat legroom and headroom pretty important to me. Unfortunately the 2023 Prius looks like they've taken a step back in that regard. I've seen quite a few videos of people trying out the backseat and showing that they don't really fit in it mostly due to the headroom. Pretty much takes it off the table for me as a replacement for my old Prius. So I'm going to be looking at a model 3 probably. You can pick a used one up for less money than a new Prius. You can almost buy a new model 3 for the same price as a loaded Prius... I've been hearing stories of dealers asking 10,000 over sticker for the new Prius.
So I have a 2013 Ampera which is the European version of the Chevy Volt, but I wouldn't buy a plug in hybrid now with cars like the Tesla model 3 and Polestar 2 around. GM stopped making the Volt because they considered it obsolete, which is what this new Toyota already is, people who care about the environment and pollution will buy full EV's now, people who don't care will keep buying full ICE cars.
@@kens97sto171 I had a 2013 and a 2016 volt. Great cars. GM blew it! If they had built on the EV 1 technology instead of destroying all those cars they might be the EV leader now. Instead probably broke by 2030. The Bolt is a horrible car for trips. Can only charge at 60kwh my tesla does 250 easy adds 1000 miles an hour basically adds 100 miles in less than 20 minutes
Proud owner of a BMW i4 M50 EV. Love the car. Disappointed in the practical range, especially on road trips w 500 mile days. EVs will be mature when ranges double and battery weights halve. Just as with computers in the 80s, it'll take engineers about 10 years. So the sweet spot for most now is hybrids. And this new Prius is notable. I'd consider it when we replace our other car. Well, probably the BMW version. But with a little Japanese ingenuity, Toyota & Honda could get pretty close. Wheels - good point the 19s are too large. They should be optional. Better would be 18s with a wider footprint. + better suspension in a sporty AWD version. Oh, and up the brake regeneration so its capable of one pedal driving.
10 years! I own a tesla since 2018. 315 miles of range. Superchargers charge wicked fast. Adds 100 miles of range in ten minutes on average. I drove to Florida last month 1400 mile trip no issues whatsoever. All chargers right off major interstates
@@junkkact I don’t drive straight through. I stop twice at Hampton inn free destination charging so I’d be sleeping during those charges. I’d never drive ICE again. I’ve only bought tires and wiper blades in five years. Tell me what you had to do and the costs
still, you see the limitations of (all) PHEVS being outsourced from ICE vehicles, instead of being engineered as EVs with a generator onboard. It gets a 70mph efficiency equivalent to a mach-e, ID4.
Great report, Tom! And the car looks great! Too bad it didn't come out ten years ago. 🙁 But that's Toyota. Hope they're working on a dedicated EV platform for an EV version to come out next year. 🙄
Not an EV version. But they're working on a new dedicated EV platform and a car this size based on that platform will probably be called a "bZ" something if they stick with that naming convention. The bZ3, only for China, is a sedan between the size of the Corolla and Camry.
Just searched the official Toyota web site for the Prius and it states "Production of the Toyota Prius has been discontinued." It then redirects you to other Hybrid models??
Click an option or two on the XSE trim and you are within a thousand bucks of the new Model 3 RWD price...... the base SE models should sell well if they make them with the "chip shortage" they are still experiencing 🤭
Its electric range figure is closer to that of a first gen Chevrolet Volt than a second gen... Am I being unreasonable to think automakers should be doing better? The second gen Volt had a 53 mile range in 2016. I would have thought rival PHEVs by now would at least be matching that.
Car looks great.. To bad they compromised it SO much reducing the usable space.. From what I have seen.. not enough headroom in back to really use the back seat.. So not good for Uber drivers or families unless they are kids. Too bad... an extra 2 inches taller would have been enough. It's much quicker than older cars.. but that makes no difference to me personally if the car is not usable. Camry hybrid is about as quick... and gets about the same MPG in Hybrid mode. They fixed a lot of things people hated about the Prius, and ruined the things people loved about the Prius. Could be a good move for Toyota.. the people really concerned with efficiency are probably buying BEV's now.. So making the Prius fun and good looking is probably a good move.. they will be sold to a totally different demographic. This car is pretty quick.. it will outrun a Civic SI... and will still give 50+MPG.
The Prius always has been and always will be beautiful. beautiful because it is practical, reliable, and low cost of ownersip. My 3 number one priorities for any car purchase.
@@snoopy178 and thinking about it, may not be worst case scenario, but close? They're marvel of efficiency. You see the heat transfer from cat converter to ice during warmup? Mounting bracket blocks the CC from easy theft! Was that intentional?
Rated range is combined city and highway; EVs are more efficient in city driving than highway, so it really shouldn't be expected to hit its EPA range in this test. However, since it was 15 degrees cooler than optimal, raining, and in an area with what seems to be a fairly large elevation change, my bet is this could actually hit the 39 mile EPA range (or more) in optimal conditions. 70F, dry, and flat. (The loop test only does so much to account for elevation change. Increasing elevation can cause higher energy draw that causes excess heat losses in the electrical system, requiring even more aerodynamic losses / energy waste to cool the system)
Well 70 mph range is always less then a combined number. A loss of almost 13% seems very reasonable considering the constant strain. The nearly 900 km (558 miles) total range, and gas heat is what inspired me to trade my wife's Focus Electric for one.
Agree, but do not need a Prime Prius to meet that statement non need for an EV. Even the 2022 Prius that we rented for a week, was a phenomenal car to drive. 2.5 gallons for 175 miles was impressive! When I turned the car into Alamo Rental at Honolulu airport, I asked them if i could drive it home! I loved it. The 2023 Prius with increased HP should be a huge benefit with the same MPG!
Thank you I have been looking at this for about a month. Your stats are on the High side from what I have seen at the Dealer. They say it goes 0-60 in 7 seconds not 6.6 and it gets around 48-52 miles/gal on the AWD Prime version and the FWD gets 57 miles/gallon.
I figured this had to be a battery only range test. As much as you guys blast Toyota on the podcast (rightfully so in my opinion) I figured you wouldn't give this car the attention on the channel. But not in a vindictive way. Just more of a "why bother".
It's rated for 40 (44 on the SE) electric and ~500 gas, which is more than 100 + 400 stated, so I guess it's a game changer by your definition of combined mileage...
They can make a lot more of these than a BEV, and 90% of people's daily commute will still be emissions free as long as they can charge at home or work, which they definitely do if it's available, no PHEV driver I know willingly pays for fuel when they can charge on the cheap and have a "full" battery to start their day with.
It has a 13.6 kWh battery faster charging really isn't that necessary. A 32-amp onboard charger would be better, but for the vast majority of owners that will simply charge overnight, it won't make much of a difference.
That's the max most 120V plugs in the USA can output. It will still charge fully overnight.. I think actually in about 4 hrs. And if it does not.. you have the gas engine as your backup.
@@jml9550 gas engine is a waste. It was great in 2011 I owned two Chevy volts that technology is out dated now. I own a tesla and with charging network no issues with range. Super fast charging. I just drove 1400 miles to Florida. Every station worked flawlessly. The car maps out the stops all conveniently located off major interstates.
@@Anthony__420 sure. I have no doubt Tesla supercharging network is great and all. But the math don’t lie. Each 200 miles you will need to charge at a minimum of 25 minutes and that’s being conservative. And that’s total of 175 minutes of charging time. On the Prius you can go easily 300 miles per tank, each fill up is 10 minutes, that’s a total of 45 minutes. I totally agree that EV is the future but at the current battery charge time and range, I am not sold yet. Maybe in 10 years we can get 500 miles per charge and 10 minutes charge time, then I am all in.
@@jml9550 longest charging session I did was about 20 minutes. It tells you when you can leave. I’m an old guy and need to stop every 4 hours anyway to pee so no big deal. Gives me time for that and grab a snack. The trip took a little longer than a gasoline car but don’t want to buy gas or support oil cartels anymore. Maintaining is also next to zero. Have 60k miles on it. Only bought tires at around 50k miles and wiper blades. Also wiper fluid. That’s it!
They can make way more of these than the mostly backordered BEVs, considering the current state of the battery supply chain, to make more people's commutes emissions free (if they don't have a place to plug in at work or home get a BEV). Which believe me, all the PHEV drivers I know, including myself, plug in like it's a religion, why pay for fuel when electricity is so much cheaper and more convenient!
Meh, the Volt got 53 miles range ten years ago. Toyota is fighting EV's so I'm not in love with the company anymore, I'll take my Bolt any day. Hybrids are transitional vehicles, their day has come and gone, you can go 300 miles in an EV and charge it in 20 minutes. I guess Toyota can't figure out how to do that, their BZ4 is a flop.
As a former Toyota fanboy, now driving Teslas, I agree 100%. Toyota's anti-EV rhetoric and actions has put me off from the company and done damage to my former appreciation for the company. And after the embarrassing bZ4x and RZ450e, I'm glad I left my loyalty behind rather than wait for disappointment.
Maybe when the mining sector steps up and battery plants come online and are cranking out batteries then everyone can horde batteries with a BEV, but for the next few years PHEVs with a decent range like the Volt and this Prius are the best use of our resources to make more commutes emissions free. Right now with only a small fraction of the population actually demanding a BEV the waitlists are months and years long, more time they are driving pure ICE cars. You can build four PHEVs for one BEV and still have 90% of people's daily commute be emissions free, so as demand for EVs goes up, instead of increasing that waitlist even longer, you can put them in a PHEV and drastically cut down on emissions. Also most privately owened PHEVs get pluged in, virtually nobody willingly pays more for fuel out of pocket when electricity is way cheaper and more convenient. Those "nobody plugs in PHEV" numbers were old numbers for early adopter fleet vehicles with corporate fuel cards so companies can advertise they were going green to their shareholders but the drivers would just drive them like a regular HEV and charge the company for the fuel.
This is not an electric car. It's a waste as it has to have an ICE engine, transmission and even a catalytic converter. What a waste. 33k to 40k plus is far too expensive.
It can drive as an electric car most of the time so it is indeed at least a part-time electric car. It's not only an electric car nor is it only an ICE car. And 33 to 40K is what cars in its class cost currently and especially if they are hybrids.
Why? That's not the point of a Prius.... Its a PHEV, and apparently the best in its class at a very good price point of sub $30k. An all-electric wouldn't be Prius and would drive the price up beyond mainstream.
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-14,000 miles annually gasoline-free (40 miles x 365)
-Never hostage to public charging that's often ICED, occupied or broken. Never conform your free time & vacations to the car's needs.
-Lighter, cheaper battery with less mining involved.
- 90% of an EV's benefits: Smooth, torquey, quiet, cabin preheating anywhere, strong regen, low Center of Gravity, cheap residential fuel.
During extreme cold (and if battery ever degrades), it won't affect your life except to initiate the ICE sooner. Big whoop.
Great concept.
You mean like the 2011-2013 Chevy Volt? I think the 2nd gen Volt's stats exceed this 2024 Prius Prime...
@@jmel1746 Exactly.👍
GM was spot on in their battery sizing, but the public (including me in 2011) didn't grasp the benefit at the time.
The poor marketing didn't help (remember the confusing 230 mpg ads with no explanation?)
And it can potentially be twice that with workplace charging, I put about 75k km on my 2017 Volt driving to and from work where I can charge and only about 1.6k km of that is in hybrid mode from the random road trip. Also I do have the "cold mode" turned on so it will actually idle the ICE for a few minutes to warm up the battery and cabin, saves a lot of EV range in the winter for almost no fuel burned in comparison. Turns out I don't need to horde 500km worth of batteries to make my commute essentially emissions free!
Tesla has shown the world that you can have an EV and you don't have to make any sacrifices for it. All-electric vehicles are cleaner, safer, faster, cheaper to run and more convenient to own than PHEVs. The damage caused by mining batteries pales in comparison to the damage caused by the oil and gas industry which has contributed to the death and suffering of millions through pollution of our air, water and bodies and will continue to do so as the planet faces unprecedented climate related disasters.
You get the worst of both EVs and ICE. Hard Pass on PHEVs
Bless you, Tom - I've missed your wonderful range tests...!
Thanks for getting back in the saddle for your loyal fans 😎
We'll have another one from Tom this week.
Can't wait to buy this! The range is good for me to get to work and back with no gas. And when I want to drive 500 I don't have to worry.
I drive Utah to Missouri 4-6 times a year in one day, so I need it too.A electric vehicle would add a day. My drive times 4am until 11pm would go through the roof.
@@Michaelthearcheangel I used to do 500 mile evening commutes like that. PHEV or HEV are best solution. For strictly long range you might prefer HEV.
Actually model 3 is 5.8 seconds vs Prius 6.6 second.
Both can be all electric for most people.
Range is up to 600 miles with the Prius up to 45 or so all electric.
We have a Rav4 Prime and love it. Consistently get 40+ electric miles but can drive forever on gas at 38-40mpg
I got 42 mpg with my 1985 Toyota Tercel 4WD wagon. My Model Y does much better.
Lol comparing a Tercel 4wd from 1985 to a Rav4 Prime from the 2020s
I would hope your Model Y does much better as a dedicated EV platform if not you wasted your money
@@Chris21709 sure. But your MY can’t go 300 miles without needing to charge. The PP can and also can fill up in 5 minutes, can your MY charger from 20% to 80% in 5 minutes? So compare a pure EV vs HYbrid is irrelevant.
@@jml9550Charging is not as big of an inconvenience as many people make it out to be, and the other 300-some odd days when you don't need to public charge, you have a far nicer vehicle with a roomier cabin, quieter powertrain, better safety, and a much sportier driving experience. Assuming I could get them for the same price, I would pick a full EV over a PHEV any day.
@@directorjustin all valid points, but I would still get the PHEV for the convenience of not need to charge during trips. One day when an EV can go 300 miles wo needing a charge and with 5 minutes charge time, then I am all in. Roomier , safety, interior are all relative, straight line acceleration is not sporty driving IMO.
Great video. I like the way that the car looks!
That’s impressive for miles per kwh. Especially considering it’s lugging both systems. I was surprised in the Porsche plug in hybrid figures at less than 1 mile per kwh.
34 miles is pretty good at 70 mph. I always assume that the range they give includes local driving which would bump up the range since the batteries are less efficient at highway speeds and more efficient going slower which is the opposite of gas powered cars.
it didn't make 40 miles in Tom's test. You can factor in the 1 mile of slow city driving to get onto I-5 and the 5 minutes of 60mph driving to compensate for the light rain. 34 miles is what it got with the 19" wheels. Pretty much a 2011-2015 Chevy Volt
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@@jmel1746 Yep in my 2017 Volt I get around 60 km at highways speeds with just me in the car and moderate elevation change. About the only thing this has going for it is the AWD but I have yet to get stuck in my Volt, knock on wood.
@@anydaynow01The Prius Prime is FWD only. Only the regular Prius has the option of AWD.
Good videol. Could you possibly research and then state definitively whether it is possible to turn off the eye-watching feature, so there's no light, no sound -- nothing. Kinda like, you know -- driving. If so, does it come on again by default, so that it must be canceled each time you start the car, or can it be turned off permanently? Thank you.
Gotta be nice to quick test a 40 mile range instead of a 400 mile range for once :)
5:18 - ref: blue Chevy Bolt in the fast lane blowing Tom's "doors off".
That Rode mic sounds great
Haven't seen this gen by myself, but the front quarter seems looking better than my Model3 and definitely better than my neighbor's ModelY.
The rear is as weird as last gen.
The 3rd gen probably still looks the best IMO.
I still don't understand why Toyota hasn't fully electrified the Prius line. They OWNED the BEV space for almost 2 decades. Everyone I've known who has owned a Prius now owns an EV (mostly Teslas).
Tom on the road - not a bad report for a restaurant guy 😊 - hey why not a show on Food & Charging? You would be amazing!
My Great Grandfather had a house in Montclair, my dad lived on campus st Stevens.
0:32 - TOMMY MOLO'S GOING ROGUE...!!! (just in time for Javitz/NY Auto Show)
I took a 19-inch tire and put a 15-inch tire on my prius. My range went up to 7 mpg. I wonder what would happen on this one?
And smaller rims wheels are more comfortable, safer and less expensive to maintain
Diameter to the edge of the tire is the same with a smaller rim... but a smaller rim does reduce weight, and more of the weight is concentrated towards the axle, so lower rotational mass. That's important for acceleration / deceleration efficiency, but doesn't make much of a difference at constant speed highway driving. Tire width matters far more since that directly impacts rolling resistance at all times. Although, it is possible a smaller rim (possibly with fewer air gaps) and a larger tire sidewall may improve the wheel/tire aero profile at highway speeds.
@Upd Late I agree the weight of the tire and rims was the most logical thing that helped.
Also, a more aerodynamic rims
Basically 7%-8% increase in range
A Civic SI does 0-60 in 6.6 as well. A Prius that can keep up with a Civic SI? What kind of upside down world are we living in?
Thanks for this. This is the car I am buying next. I also agree with the car when it alerted you to the fact that you were looking away from your driver eye line too often. I have watched so many test drive videos, and most drivers don’t even look at the camera. There’s no reason to do it. So tired of distracted driving accidents. I work in emergency.
Which is its efficiency after the battery depleted?
Could easily get in the 50’s! This car should get 4.5-5.0 miles per kw @ 11.5 usable in good optimal conditions. My gen 2 Volt did, and rated at 109 MPGE versus (114/124)on the Prime👍
I've seen 4 as typical high. I wonder what all the details were here regarding weather and AC and all.
Great review, thanks. Did the Prius Prime you were driving have AWD or no? I know it’s available. Thanks again. Safe travels. 👍🇺🇸🙏
No AWD for the Prime. FWD only.
@@0HOON0 Thank U 4 the quick response. 👍🇺🇸🙏
What's the cost? What's the total range including gas mileage? Thanks.
That's all in Tom's full first drive review: insideevs.com/reviews/660714/2023-toyota-prius-prime-first-drive/
I found Priuses the older models got better mpg in the sport mode because of the faster throttle there is no need to keep the pedal pressed down longer.
Perhaps I missed it. Does this car have a J1772 connector? Or a CCS connector?
Every EV sold in North America besides Tesla vehicles comes with a J1772 inlet. The CCS connector is a "combination" of J1772 and the two DC pins, that's why it's called CCS because it means "Combined Charging System". The Prius Prime doesn' not have the two DCpins, so it cannot use a CCS connector. Plug-in hybrids very rarely have DC charging capability. Their batteries are too small, and really cannot benefit much from the faster charging capability of DC charging.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney That is exactly what i wanted to hear. I would not want a PHEV tying up a CCS charger, while a BEV is waiting to charge.
Put the camera on the screen to see high mpg
Why exactly do the 17" vs 19" wheels make such a difference to efficiency? Is it all about aero?
Weight
So can you just use the gas engine and not even charge the battery or is that bad for the battery?
Sure, if you want to, it wouldn't hurt the battery, but it wouldn't be as efficient and you'd likely spend more on gas.
Should we applaud Toyota for creating a 2019 Chevrolet Volt in 2023?
I'd like to see a side-by-side comparison review of those two cars.
The Volt is much smaller inside.. did not even have a middle seat in the reat.. until 2016... and even then not really usable. MUCH less legroom and head room in back also. The Volt was based on the Cruze.. Too bad.. they could have made a much better car if they had used the Malibu as the base.
It had good EV range, but not as efficient in Hybrid mode.
Volt is very reliable from what I have heard...
But I would still take the Toyota for long term reliability.
Really a 2016 so yep, about 8 years behind. The range and economy numbers are very similar, but you're not transporting four American football players in it, though my regular sized coworkers have no complaints when the four of us take my Volt to go to lunch. With the rear seats down there's plenty of cargo room in the gen2 Volt, took home a 165 cm TV in the box home with it, it was a tight squeeze though.
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I like the volt quite a bit. Always thought it was a pretty awesome system they engineered.
And everything I've seen shows they are very capable of high miles. I've seen a couple of RUclips videos. One guy has a first gen and a second gen volt both have over 500,000 mi on them.
Biggest thing that would prevent me from getting one is the lack of any usable room for three people in back. Which is a requirement for my needs .. other than that it, and the rear legroom being a bit tight, it was a pretty awesome design.
I use my car for ride share. So rear seat legroom and headroom pretty important to me. Unfortunately the 2023 Prius looks like they've taken a step back in that regard. I've seen quite a few videos of people trying out the backseat and showing that they don't really fit in it mostly due to the headroom. Pretty much takes it off the table for me as a replacement for my old Prius.
So I'm going to be looking at a model 3 probably.
You can pick a used one up for less money than a new Prius. You can almost buy a new model 3 for the same price as a loaded Prius...
I've been hearing stories of dealers asking 10,000 over sticker for the new Prius.
So I have a 2013 Ampera which is the European version of the Chevy Volt, but I wouldn't buy a plug in hybrid now with cars like the Tesla model 3 and Polestar 2 around. GM stopped making the Volt because they considered it obsolete, which is what this new Toyota already is, people who care about the environment and pollution will buy full EV's now, people who don't care will keep buying full ICE cars.
@@kens97sto171 I had a 2013 and a 2016 volt. Great cars. GM blew it! If they had built on the EV 1 technology instead of destroying all those cars they might be the EV leader now. Instead probably broke by 2030. The Bolt is a horrible car for trips. Can only charge at 60kwh my tesla does 250 easy adds 1000 miles an hour basically adds 100 miles in less than 20 minutes
Proud owner of a BMW i4 M50 EV. Love the car. Disappointed in the practical range, especially on road trips w 500 mile days. EVs will be mature when ranges double and battery weights halve. Just as with computers in the 80s, it'll take engineers about 10 years. So the sweet spot for most now is hybrids. And this new Prius is notable. I'd consider it when we replace our other car. Well, probably the BMW version. But with a little Japanese ingenuity, Toyota & Honda could get pretty close. Wheels - good point the 19s are too large. They should be optional. Better would be 18s with a wider footprint. + better suspension in a sporty AWD version. Oh, and up the brake regeneration so its capable of one pedal driving.
10 years! I own a tesla since 2018. 315 miles of range. Superchargers charge wicked fast. Adds 100 miles of range in ten minutes on average. I drove to Florida last month 1400 mile trip no issues whatsoever. All chargers right off major interstates
@@junkkact I don’t drive straight through. I stop twice at Hampton inn free destination charging so I’d be sleeping during those charges. I’d never drive ICE again. I’ve only bought tires and wiper blades in five years. Tell me what you had to do and the costs
still, you see the limitations of (all) PHEVS being outsourced from ICE vehicles, instead of being engineered as EVs with a generator onboard. It gets a 70mph efficiency equivalent to a mach-e, ID4.
Great report, Tom! And the car looks great! Too bad it didn't come out ten years ago. 🙁 But that's Toyota. Hope they're working on a dedicated EV platform for an EV version to come out next year. 🙄
Not an EV version. But they're working on a new dedicated EV platform and a car this size based on that platform will probably be called a "bZ" something if they stick with that naming convention. The bZ3, only for China, is a sedan between the size of the Corolla and Camry.
EV is overrated
Just searched the official Toyota web site for the Prius and it states "Production of the Toyota Prius has been discontinued." It then redirects you to other Hybrid models??
Is Prius Prime in this video a Plug-In Hybrid / PHEV?
Yes
Click an option or two on the XSE trim and you are within a thousand bucks of the new Model 3 RWD price...... the base SE models should sell well if they make them with the "chip shortage" they are still experiencing 🤭
Is it’s NiHd or Li ion?
Li Ion
Its electric range figure is closer to that of a first gen Chevrolet Volt than a second gen... Am I being unreasonable to think automakers should be doing better? The second gen Volt had a 53 mile range in 2016. I would have thought rival PHEVs by now would at least be matching that.
Toyota engineer wanted a more total efficiency and reliability for the prius
I wish Toyota Australia will bring them in some time soon.
Thank you
Nice test and full disclosure about the variables. Just not to Toyota ahead of time.😉 14:23
Car looks great.. To bad they compromised it SO much reducing the usable space.. From what I have seen.. not enough headroom in back to really use the back seat.. So not good for Uber drivers or families unless they are kids.
Too bad... an extra 2 inches taller would have been enough.
It's much quicker than older cars.. but that makes no difference to me personally if the car is not usable.
Camry hybrid is about as quick... and gets about the same MPG in Hybrid mode.
They fixed a lot of things people hated about the Prius, and ruined the things people loved about the Prius.
Could be a good move for Toyota.. the people really concerned with efficiency are probably buying BEV's now.. So making the Prius fun and good looking is probably a good move.. they will be sold to a totally different demographic.
This car is pretty quick.. it will outrun a Civic SI... and will still give 50+MPG.
A good looking Prius!? Has the world magnetic field flipped?
The Prius always has been and always will be beautiful. beautiful because it is practical, reliable, and low cost of ownersip. My 3 number one priorities for any car purchase.
I was hoping for the range rated, but not expecting it.🤯
C/D observed 10.9 KW used, 3.1 miles/ KW. Essentially identical to yours.
I think you mean 10.9 kWh (kilowatt hour) battery and 3.1 miles/kWh efficiency
@@snoopy178 exactly. Was rather cryptic...
@@snoopy178 and thinking about it, may not be worst case scenario, but close? They're marvel of efficiency. You see the heat transfer from cat converter to ice during warmup? Mounting bracket blocks the CC from easy theft! Was that intentional?
Rated range is combined city and highway; EVs are more efficient in city driving than highway, so it really shouldn't be expected to hit its EPA range in this test. However, since it was 15 degrees cooler than optimal, raining, and in an area with what seems to be a fairly large elevation change, my bet is this could actually hit the 39 mile EPA range (or more) in optimal conditions. 70F, dry, and flat. (The loop test only does so much to account for elevation change. Increasing elevation can cause higher energy draw that causes excess heat losses in the electrical system, requiring even more aerodynamic losses / energy waste to cool the system)
@@updlate4756 elevation effects electric?
Only 17 inch tires give the best mpg, you just can't find the SE or the smaller tires!! The whole point of buying this car is mpg.
Looks better than Tesla
Well 70 mph range is always less then a combined number. A loss of almost 13% seems very reasonable considering the constant strain. The nearly 900 km (558 miles) total range, and gas heat is what inspired me to trade my wife's Focus Electric for one.
Usually, but certainly not always. We have tested a few EVs that outperformed their EPA combined number in our 70 mph test.
@@InsideEVsUS that just means they are lying about their combined number. No vehicle gets better mileage at 70 mph then it actually gets at 45 mph.
if it was really a quiet car, man-o-man
Give it another try on better dry weather and 50s mh speed
We don't do 50 mph range tests
With the pure EV range of this new Prius Prime, there is really no need for the existence of EVs in the name of carbon footprint.
Agree, but do not need a Prime Prius to meet that statement non need for an EV. Even the 2022 Prius that we rented for a week, was a phenomenal car to drive. 2.5 gallons for 175 miles was impressive! When I turned the car into Alamo Rental at Honolulu airport, I asked them if i could drive it home! I loved it. The 2023 Prius with increased HP should be a huge benefit with the same MPG!
Thank you I have been looking at this for about a month. Your stats are on the High side from what I have seen at the Dealer. They say it goes 0-60 in 7 seconds not 6.6 and it gets around 48-52 miles/gal on the AWD Prime version and the FWD gets 57 miles/gallon.
Prius of all variants will slow the Model 3 down to ZERO TO NEGATIVE GROWTH.
Hey Tom. Have you lost some weight? You're looking a bit slimmer. 😀
Yes, I did. Thanks for noticing.
🚙EV with engine👍
Tom, you’re in SoCal, it’s “the 5” lol
So when I said Interstate 5, I followed up with "I-5", but my brain was trying to say "the 5" but I couldn't get it out fast enough. LOL
I figured this had to be a battery only range test. As much as you guys blast Toyota on the podcast (rightfully so in my opinion) I figured you wouldn't give this car the attention on the channel. But not in a vindictive way. Just more of a "why bother".
We won't ignore reporting on new vehicles just because we don't necessarily agree with the company's electrification strategy.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Completely understandable. I don't completely align with the thought but understandable.
Gamechanger nahhh.. if it did 100 electric and 400 gas.... Thats a gamechanger...
It's rated for 40 (44 on the SE) electric and ~500 gas, which is more than 100 + 400 stated, so I guess it's a game changer by your definition of combined mileage...
@@stevewolfe6779 that's pretty insane actually
They want $10,000 OVER MSRP
cost to high!!! "best advice buy a 10 year old camry or corolla drive it for 10 years"
A genuine question, why don't they just make a full electric Prius? Toyota could call it the Prius EV. People like the Prius.
I wish they had. Toyota is still stuck in the hybrid phase...
@@bitbat9 exactly. Some of us goes on 200-300 miles trips all the time and EV is a hassle to sit there and charge.
Because the addressable market for pure-plug-ins is a rounding error.
They can make a lot more of these than a BEV, and 90% of people's daily commute will still be emissions free as long as they can charge at home or work, which they definitely do if it's available, no PHEV driver I know willingly pays for fuel when they can charge on the cheap and have a "full" battery to start their day with.
14:04 34 miles of range vs. 39 rated.
Not a loop. An out and back.
I'm so tired of seeing PRIME PRIME PRIME. Good luck finding one and it's 95% of the reviews. Stop reviewing the models you can't get!
You can't get it because it's just now launching and the dealers haven't even begun to receive them yet.
Nice looking but way overpriced. With tax and fees close to $50k, no way.
In 2018 this would be great...toyota sucks ass.looks great i must admit
We’re in 2023.
16 amp max charging 😢
It has a 13.6 kWh battery faster charging really isn't that necessary. A 32-amp onboard charger would be better, but for the vast majority of owners that will simply charge overnight, it won't make much of a difference.
That's the max most 120V plugs in the USA can output. It will still charge fully overnight.. I think actually in about 4 hrs. And if it does not.. you have the gas engine as your backup.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney wait so there isn’t an upgrade able 6.6kw charger?
@@_cjmccullough No
TOYOTA climate laggards
Much better than EV's
PLUG in Thats so 2011!!!PLEASE!!
A pure EV needs to plug in, an ICE car needs to fill up. So what are you getting at? or more important working on, nuclear powered car?
@@jml9550 gas engine is a waste. It was great in 2011 I owned two Chevy volts that technology is out dated now. I own a tesla and with charging network no issues with range. Super fast charging. I just drove 1400 miles to Florida. Every station worked flawlessly. The car maps out the stops all conveniently located off major interstates.
@@Anthony__420 sure. I have no doubt Tesla supercharging network is great and all. But the math don’t lie. Each 200 miles you will need to charge at a minimum of 25 minutes and that’s being conservative. And that’s total of 175 minutes of charging time. On the Prius you can go easily 300 miles per tank, each fill up is 10 minutes, that’s a total of 45 minutes. I totally agree that EV is the future but at the current battery charge time and range, I am not sold yet. Maybe in 10 years we can get 500 miles per charge and 10 minutes charge time, then I am all in.
@@jml9550 longest charging session I did was about 20 minutes. It tells you when you can leave. I’m an old guy and need to stop every 4 hours anyway to pee so no big deal. Gives me time for that and grab a snack. The trip took a little longer than a gasoline car but don’t want to buy gas or support oil cartels anymore. Maintaining is also next to zero. Have 60k miles on it. Only bought tires at around 50k miles and wiper blades. Also wiper fluid. That’s it!
You never fully charge it. The curve slows down at about 75 percent. That’s why they time the sessions to 15 to 20 min max
Toyota had an opportunity to make a superb EV with this (and the Prius nameplate for that sake) and yet they still didnt...How disappointing.
They can make way more of these than the mostly backordered BEVs, considering the current state of the battery supply chain, to make more people's commutes emissions free (if they don't have a place to plug in at work or home get a BEV). Which believe me, all the PHEV drivers I know, including myself, plug in like it's a religion, why pay for fuel when electricity is so much cheaper and more convenient!
This car is not intended to be a BEV. The bZ3 is more what you may be looking for but that car is sold only in China.
Meh, the Volt got 53 miles range ten years ago. Toyota is fighting EV's so I'm not in love with the company anymore, I'll take my Bolt any day. Hybrids are transitional vehicles, their day has come and gone, you can go 300 miles in an EV and charge it in 20 minutes. I guess Toyota can't figure out how to do that, their BZ4 is a flop.
The Volt was really ahead of its time, and a great PHEV.
As a former Toyota fanboy, now driving Teslas, I agree 100%. Toyota's anti-EV rhetoric and actions has put me off from the company and done damage to my former appreciation for the company. And after the embarrassing bZ4x and RZ450e, I'm glad I left my loyalty behind rather than wait for disappointment.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks for the review Tom.
@@Curryolla Me too, used to drive and love Toyota.
Maybe when the mining sector steps up and battery plants come online and are cranking out batteries then everyone can horde batteries with a BEV, but for the next few years PHEVs with a decent range like the Volt and this Prius are the best use of our resources to make more commutes emissions free. Right now with only a small fraction of the population actually demanding a BEV the waitlists are months and years long, more time they are driving pure ICE cars. You can build four PHEVs for one BEV and still have 90% of people's daily commute be emissions free, so as demand for EVs goes up, instead of increasing that waitlist even longer, you can put them in a PHEV and drastically cut down on emissions.
Also most privately owened PHEVs get pluged in, virtually nobody willingly pays more for fuel out of pocket when electricity is way cheaper and more convenient. Those "nobody plugs in PHEV" numbers were old numbers for early adopter fleet vehicles with corporate fuel cards so companies can advertise they were going green to their shareholders but the drivers would just drive them like a regular HEV and charge the company for the fuel.
This is not an electric car. It's a waste as it has to have an ICE engine, transmission and even a catalytic converter. What a waste. 33k to 40k plus is far too expensive.
It can drive as an electric car most of the time so it is indeed at least a part-time electric car. It's not only an electric car nor is it only an ICE car. And 33 to 40K is what cars in its class cost currently and especially if they are hybrids.
100% Agree. And if the owner does not plug it in every night, then you got a battery and its weight as a waste. You get the worst of both engines.
Nice looking You were pretty repetitious Tom
Too bad they did not make it all electric, Tom.
Why? That's not the point of a Prius.... Its a PHEV, and apparently the best in its class at a very good price point of sub $30k. An all-electric wouldn't be Prius and would drive the price up beyond mainstream.
They did its called prime
Fell short 10 miles off epa, typical lies.
34 is 5 less than 39
@@AbolishCommunismregardless they are all crooked liers all car mfgs.
This car is so fukin overpriced, Italy shave over $40k, no thanks
PHEV = Worst of both EVs and ICE. Hard Pass.