2023 Toyota Prius Prime Gets Optimized, Goes Much Farther

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  • Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024

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  • @tommihelich2613
    @tommihelich2613 Год назад +67

    Here’s the problem with Toyota regarding this car: they aren’t providing enough cars. Everyone I talk to about my RAV4 Prime gets the advantages of a plug-in hybrid and want one. My next door neighbor. Several people I play Pickleball with. My kids. They want an electric car for town driving and an efficient gas hybrid for longer trips.
    But 10,000 units this year!!!? And 15,000 next!!? How do you get the word out when you’re only putting 25,000 cars on the road in two years?

    • @Billybobthor
      @Billybobthor Год назад +10

      Agreed. What he was basically saying is we are going to make them, but don’t plan on there being enough for the people that want them.

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Год назад +7

      So true, that is one of the biggest strengths behind the PHEV argument, an automaker can conservatively make at least 4X the amount of PHEV than BEVs considering our limited battery resources at the moment. They should be pumping these out like no tomorrow, maybe they will ramp production next year once they secure more battery materials. Then in a few years, once all the responsible mines and battery factories have ramped up people can be free to hoard batteries with a BEV, like toilet paper and produce/meat during a pandemic.

    • @tpolerex7282
      @tpolerex7282 Год назад +5

      They are, effectively unobtainable. It’s an impressive car, but not worth the $5-10k ADM and years long wait. Im lucky to not drive enough miles to worry about hyper efficiency, just ordered a $31k Subaru at invoice and will be enjoying a solid, practical 30 mpg ride with a 500+ mile range for the next decade or so.

    • @TomTom-gn9mp
      @TomTom-gn9mp Год назад +2

      In Canada 80% of buyers will get the Prime. Here in the US less than 20% of people want or will get the Prime.

    • @moombakamberra4206
      @moombakamberra4206 Год назад +6

      Sad but true. Same with RAV4 XSE Prime. Even worse is the Z grade they are only putting out in Japan that gets 65 miles (17 inch wheels, why do we need 19 inch wheels another head scratcher) on a charge and cannot get in the U.S. Just some decisions Toyota makes that are questionble, maybe still reeling from covid and chip shortages? Who knows. Can you say dealer markup.

  • @matthewlibanio8227
    @matthewlibanio8227 Год назад +40

    I love plug in hybrids. My 2017 Volt is incredible and it is insane how much fuel we don't use.

    • @toyotaprius79
      @toyotaprius79 Год назад +4

      Insane why GM ditched its drivetrain, because it was a sedan based on the Cruze, which is still sold elsewhere

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Год назад +4

      Yep, even with over 110k km on my 2017 Volt, (about 6k km on the ICE) I have over 95% battery capacity. Funny how it took almost 7 years for Toyota to catch up with GM. It really makes me wish they would come out with an Ultium version of the Volt, the EV range would be incredible, or have around the same range and give the middle passenger in the back some leg room! That's probably my only gripe with the Volt, but I can count on one hand how many times I was in a position where I needed to drive 5 people around town.

    • @danhall3450
      @danhall3450 Год назад +1

      Indeed, love my 2019 Kia Niro PHEV. At 25-30 miles per charge and 3-4 fill ups per year, I mostly wave as I go by gas stations.

  • @robertpettigrew3862
    @robertpettigrew3862 Год назад +35

    Plug in hybrid makes the most sense to me. Most of my driving is less than 25 miles per day.
    Great to have the ICE to take hundred mile plus trips

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Год назад +1

      Yep why hoard 4Xs the batteries to cure range anxiety when our battery resources are limiting at the moment. I understand Tesla's forward thinking in not developing an ICE, but traditional auto makers should just do the PHEV thing with a meaningful range until they get their battery factories up to speed. Like if you can charge at home or at work and have a reasonable commute, a PHEV would be perfect.

  • @sephugus
    @sephugus Год назад +2

    With my 4th generation Plug-in Prius during COVID, I didn't take any long trips for 1 year and a month. I spent only $6 on gas by just driving to work and around town. I always plug-in my car. Not ready for total EV since I need the gas engine for longer trips.

  • @madlucio70
    @madlucio70 Год назад +9

    I love my 2023 Crosstrek PHEV! I plug it in every evening and run full EV while tooling around the cities. On the highway, the Atkinson's Cycle Boxer gives me great mileage :) I also just went through the second highest snowfall amount in a winter season for Québec having to do 500 km's or more each week on the snow-covered highways, and my Trek made easy work of it.

  • @DisjointedConversations
    @DisjointedConversations Год назад +13

    10 years ago after the Long Island Expressway open the HOV lane to Prius’, it quickly became known as the Prius Lane. None of them looked as good as this one.

  • @donswier
    @donswier Год назад +4

    -No need to cramp your schedule, your vacations, your sleep & life to conform to a vehicle's charging needs on road trips.
    -Still get 90% of the benefits of BEV (cheap home energy, regen, quiet, smooth, torque, cabin preconditioning).
    -14,000 miles annually all-electric with simple 110v plug-in at home each night (40 miles x 365).
    - If and when battery slowly degrades, it won't interrupt your life except to awaken the engine sooner.
    -What could possibly be controversial about this?

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Год назад +1

      Does it have active battery conditioning like the Volt? it's one of the reasons the Volt's battery is so massive for its capacity, all the cooling/heating plates. But the batteries, especially in the Gen 2s have been holding up really well. Personally I have >95% capacity after driving well over 100k km on the battery.

  • @COSolar6419
    @COSolar6419 Год назад +6

    I own a BEV but see a place for PHEV as well. We probably would have bought a RAV4 Prime had any been available. Very happy with our EV choice after a full year of ownership.

  • @SandysVideoChannel
    @SandysVideoChannel Год назад +5

    Toyota, why the limited numbers? 10k/15k this and next year will all but insure dealers will gouge us with "additional dealer markup". You still can't get a Rav4 Prime near me without paying a minimum of 10k OVER MSRP. The few people I know interested in those went and purchased Tesla Model 3's instead.

    • @jminaya90
      @jminaya90 Год назад

      Don’t pay markup on any new Toyota just order it from Hudson Toyota in Nj with my friend Braulio Santana

    • @DrivenCarReviews
      @DrivenCarReviews  Год назад +1

      John and I figure it's all about compliance with regulations.

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Год назад

      @@DrivenCarReviews That's interesting, I will have to look into that. I initially thought it just came down to an economics and profit margins thing with Toyota needing to spread their limited battery supply over many different vehicles.

  • @TheEquationSlayer
    @TheEquationSlayer Год назад +2

    The Volt had more EV range, but the Prius has better mpg on gas and more horsepower. The Volt also had a few reliability issues (first gen had motor bearing failures, second gen had the infamous “shift to park” issue). Toyota is usually late but reliable.

    • @jef8278
      @jef8278 Год назад

      The volt is also full EV even when floored unlike the new prius prime

  • @jermainec2462
    @jermainec2462 Год назад +8

    Gm should have kept the volt ... 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @slscamg
      @slscamg Год назад +4

      GM seems to be of the mind that we are going to go right from ICE to EV. I think they are missing a big step of HEV PHEV

    • @jermainec2462
      @jermainec2462 Год назад

      @@slscamg GM seems to be in the mindset that they don't know what the fuck they doing LOL they've been half stepping longer than I've been living !!!im 34 😂😂😂
      Every time they come out with something that is good that you do cancel it or they fucked up or it had potential to be a good product but they fuck it up smh...
      If they ask go under this time I hope they stay under no ballouts .... Because GM is hardheaded...

    • @TJDST4
      @TJDST4 Год назад +5

      That's the story of GM. They create something great, don't market it, then squander it, and kill it. Then spew out more mediocrity.

    • @grahamstefaan
      @grahamstefaan Год назад

      If hybrid mpg were better volt woulda been perfect.

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Год назад +1

      @@TJDST4 Yep GM has great ideas and engineers, it's their "bean counters" and executives that have been hamstringing the company since they refused to let Duntov build a midengine Corvette in the '60s. Sixty years later they finally relented to science.

  • @MetaView7
    @MetaView7 Год назад +2

    What good is a car that you cannot buy?
    Even if it is available, it is a "used" one. They sell the car to a non-Toyota dealer, so that he can sell it as a used car for more money. That's how they skirt the MSRP.

  • @rightlanehog3151
    @rightlanehog3151 Год назад +6

    Tom, Thanks for the time spent specifically dealing with the space and height restrictions of the 'cool' new Prius. At a time when it is so difficult to test drive or rent cars one might be interested in buying, it is extremely important to emphasize that this Prius is no longer the sensible-shoes transportation unit of the last two decades. It so happens that just this morning I had a pleasant chat with a taxi driver in a totally uncool yet highly accommodating Prius V. The first taxi driver who expects me to pay for a ride in the rear sensory deprivation chamber of his cool Prius will hear an entirely different tone. Too bad the new Corolla Cross Hybrid does not have a sliding second row seat like the Prius V, it could have been an excellent cab. 🤔

    • @DrivenCarReviews
      @DrivenCarReviews  Год назад +2

      Cars are personal things. What works for one person doesn't for another. It's always been that way and always will be. I will note the Prius V is a dangerously slow vehicle. Not just uncool.

    • @rightlanehog3151
      @rightlanehog3151 Год назад +2

      @@DrivenCarReviews C&D test records show 10.3 seconds 0-60 for the Prius v. Do you really consider that to be dangerously slow?

  • @jeffcohen1934
    @jeffcohen1934 10 месяцев назад

    2017 Prius Prime Advanced owner. I do plug in every night. The car is great. Perfection doesn't exist. Like your delivery. Thanks.

    • @DrivenCarReviews
      @DrivenCarReviews  10 месяцев назад

      Quick to the point. I like your delivery.

  • @donswier
    @donswier Год назад +1

    This Prime (and the Volt before it) seem like the perfect 1-car solution:
    -Practical 5 door shape
    -Vast retail network
    -Cheaper than long range BEV
    -Long trips no prob
    -Inonsistent access to a plug is no problem
    -Volt was simply ahead of its time.
    In 2023, this Prime should have strong appeal to practical people who've seen benefits of plug-ins but value their time too much to surrender to being hostage to public charging (BEV)

  • @germanr84
    @germanr84 Год назад +7

    Still less range than the volt. Long live the volt! I miss mine. But good improvement over the previous prius prime

    • @pdd3
      @pdd3 Год назад +2

      It strikes a better balance than the Volt overall.

    • @kabysummit5801
      @kabysummit5801 Год назад +2

      Too bad Volt's gone

  • @Ryanstuff
    @Ryanstuff Год назад +6

    Personally I think it's easier to explain a plug-in hybrid than a regular hybrid because people don't understand how regular hybrids do what they do without being plugged in. I think Volvo's ad campaign for their plugins says it best. An electric with a back-up plan.

    • @donswier
      @donswier Год назад +6

      Amazing how many (otherwise smart) people I've talked to who presumed all generations of Priuses have needed to be plugged in.
      General public is now as unaware of how cars function as I am of sports 😅

  • @gregkramer5588
    @gregkramer5588 Год назад +10

    In hindsight the Volt was so good for it's time. The Prius looks to be a very good car.

    • @DrivenCarReviews
      @DrivenCarReviews  Год назад +3

      In hindsight?

    • @louiearmstrong
      @louiearmstrong Год назад

      And now I can get one for half the price of this Prime

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Год назад

      The used Volt prices, especially the Gen 2s, is pretty crazy right now. I really wish GM would bring back the Voltec system for at least their light trucks (especially when considering towing). With well over 100k km on the battery and still having >95% capacity I will hopefully be driving mine essentially emissions free for a while, without having to hoard 4X the batteries to cure my range anxiety.

    • @TinLeadHammer
      @TinLeadHammer Год назад

      The Volt was a stupid concept. Basically, a diesel locomotive, only running on gas and driving on pavement.

    • @seattleinternationalautosh4284
      @seattleinternationalautosh4284 Год назад

      @@TinLeadHammer You've kind of described the Honda CR-V Hybrid but not the Volt Mr. Hammer.

  • @tmh44
    @tmh44 Год назад +2

    Great high-quality review as always, been watching you for years--you deserve many, many more subscribers! Cheers from California.

  • @presoquin
    @presoquin 10 месяцев назад +1

    Just got mine 2 months ago. Love my Prime SE. 45mi on EV every day. My commute is around 40mi a day. So perfect. I have a charge level 2 where I live and it is free. So far in 2 months, I only put gas once and was only half a tank since I took a quick trip on a weekend. So I calculate I may put gas around 6 times a year. The only negative part of the Prius prime, its that is hard to find. Only that.

  • @fabulousoffroaddesigns5080
    @fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 Год назад +2

    I am trading a Nissan Leaf and a Ford Focus Electric in to buy one Prius Prime. Ordered it last week. What I love is the near 1000 km range for those long Canadian drives, and the gas heat for those long Canadian winters.

  • @teamracing6
    @teamracing6 Год назад +4

    I currently have a 2012 Prius, non-plugin, that i named General Privous.
    Would name this one Optimized Prime. LoL
    PS. I drive like John's 20% and i still get 45-50 mpg in the summer.. But my previous car was a 2007 Mini Cooper so am used to a slightly different driving experience than a Prius gives. However, I find that I like my Prius a lot more than i expected.
    Thanks for explaining plugin. I drive about 120 miles a day so never understood why i would want a plugin over a regular hybrid.

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Год назад

      I had a similar commute at the time I bought my Volt, but Tesla's were still very expensive so I picked up a used Gen 2 and charged it at home and work. With the amount I was saving on fuel prices versus driving my old '99 Silverado the car essentially paid for itself!

    • @teamracing6
      @teamracing6 Год назад

      @@anydaynow01 my son has a Volt. Nice car. But he lives in a large city so only drives a short distance. He gets gas once a month at most. I can't charge a car at work, so didn't seem like it was worthwhile to get a plugin.

  • @Maplenr
    @Maplenr Год назад +1

    I would have gotten this in a heartbeat, but the near impossible chances of getting one made me get a hybrid Corolla LE instead. Great, Great car.

  • @porsche558
    @porsche558 Год назад +2

    I think John Voelcker might be the “Evil Twin” in disguise LOL!

  • @westhavenor9513
    @westhavenor9513 Год назад +1

    Excellent comments toward the end of your video, Tom.

  • @davidd7175
    @davidd7175 Год назад +2

    I currently have a ‘21 Prime. One thing that always concerned me, was say the car is driven on EV only for few months. One day I hop on highway doing 70, run out of juice and it switches over to engine. Engine is suddenly trying, yes trying, to go 70 without any warm-up time. Not to start the whole should or shouldn’t warm up cars debate, but it’s like starting a car up after it’s been sitting idle for months and immediately hitting the throttle to high speeds. Idk, maybe no wear occurs but just bothers me.
    Do plan on trading mine in after the first year, also hoping for GR version!

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Год назад

      That's interesting, the gen 2 Volt still uses the battery reserve until the ICE has idled for a few minutes to get the oil up to temperature/pressure, then it engages the range extender with the sun gear transmission for HEV mode based on vehicle speed. The lion's share of the accelerating and decelerating is dealt with by the electric drive so there is very little stress placed on the ICE range extender, they even have a screen option which shows exactly how many kW the electric drive and ICE are putting in or harvesting as you hit or let off the accelerator. They do have some really good bearing coatings now for all their vehicle start stop at red lights these days. I have yet to hear about a Prius range extender getting trashed.

    • @davidd7175
      @davidd7175 Год назад

      @@anydaynow01 maybe the Prius does something similar? Guess I’ll have to do some research

  • @benjaminbomberg
    @benjaminbomberg Год назад +5

    Wait a moment… I see what you did with the name tags there!

  • @madlucio70
    @madlucio70 4 месяца назад

    Thanks again Tom! You were one of the most helpful and insightful reveiwers when I was researching my purchase of my Crosstrek PHEV. I need a second vehicle and your Prius Prime and Prius videos have given me a lot of information and I put a deposit down on a 2024 Prius Prime XSE. I have to wait 12-18 months up here in Canada though :/

  • @haserotmalach7324
    @haserotmalach7324 Год назад +1

    You sell plug-in hybrids to people who commute regularly like we do here at my house. We used to have a Clarity Plug-In and that car's battery was good for around 45 miles on a charge. My wife has to drive 12 miles to get to work and drove from and back home on electricity only. We only recharged the battery every other day and we went months without stopping at a gas station and, as a big bonus, electricity at the charging stations at our place and the office building where she works is 100% free.
    About the video, it went well until the preaching at the end.

    • @louiearmstrong
      @louiearmstrong Год назад

      The Clarity is nice, shame that its not a hatchback or wagon

  • @ZhihaoLou
    @ZhihaoLou Год назад +1

    Is that John Voelcker with a Tom Voelk's sticker @ 6:25?

  • @crsp76691
    @crsp76691 Год назад +1

    Love my 17 volt as well. After 7 years it still goes 52 miles all battery in the summer! Gets 46-50 mpg on road trips. Charging a non tesla EV in tne wild is a nightmare. Gotta still have gas for at least ten more years

  • @moombakamberra4206
    @moombakamberra4206 Год назад +2

    I own a 2018 Prius Prime Advanced. S
    Average mileage - 95 mpg
    Level 2 charger in garage
    City it is 90% electric
    Up and down the Sierras 65 mpg+
    Can charge up to 80% EV battery while driving
    This car gets 25+ miles on charge, the more the better (how about 100 miles on a charge with same setup, please). BTW: Z version sold in Japan gets 65 miles on charge.
    Comment on salespeople not being able to explain the PHEV concept. Everyone has the internet and they still can't figure it out, just can't fix that.
    My Prime does just fine on acceleration, enough already with people that tell you horsepower and 0 to 60 for the new Prime, like it matters. It's a highway not Indy, course many would disagree, thus all the accidents, but I digress.
    Design on new Prius, eh, looks just as jellyish as mine.
    Solar roof may be more a joke as putting back power in traction battery is terrible. Glass roof during summer, waste of time.
    HUD display especially with navi. in my prime is awesome, if not in new Prius, sad to see that go.
    Rather have 17 inch wheels to maximize on mileage over 19 inchers. Not sure who at Toyota made such a genius decision on that. Sometimes Toyota gets things wrong (in app took away ability to tell car to charge, you got to kidding me!!!) and it is just a head scratcher. Almost inclined to forgo some goodies (damn no seat warmers but my hands are warm, who is charge on that one!!?) and buy the lowest model would save coin too.
    AWD more waste of money.
    Low production numbers means tough to get a Prime in 2023 and 2024, plus dealers may do their BS markup and blame it on covid, but they tell you how award winning their service is. I can live with the 2018 for a while.

    • @joelnehl
      @joelnehl Год назад

      I have a 2021 Prime Limited, you make a lot of great points.

  • @jazzfan7491
    @jazzfan7491 3 месяца назад

    Always appreciate your reviews and commentary. Bought my Mercedes GLC300 back in 2016 because of your comments in the NYT. Now you've convinced me the plug in Prius makes a lot of sense (plus I recently moved to a new place with an existing Tesla charger). Gonna use your pricing service. Hope that helps you out.

    • @DrivenCarReviews
      @DrivenCarReviews  3 месяца назад

      Let me know how it goes. Always looking for feedback.

    • @jazzfan7491
      @jazzfan7491 3 месяца назад

      @@DrivenCarReviewsFWIW, I filled out the form a couple of days ago but haven't heard anything from a dealer. In contrast, a few months ago when I was curious about the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and filled out a lead form or two, seems I was on the "call on Sunday" list for about 3 months. Maybe no call from Toyota is a sign that this car is in demand and they don't need to scare up interest? Or maybe not that many dealers are on the list? When I filled out the form at quotes.driven only one dealer (North Hollywood Toyota) was listed...

  • @KurtI2525
    @KurtI2525 Год назад

    My wife has a third gen Prius, and when I drive it, I am guaranteed the fastest Prius on the road. In Sport mode, the steering stiffens, and the acceleration is amazing. I have surprised many a sports or euro car at a stoplight. I’ve seen a video of those two Canadian guys who whip it through a twisty road. It’s about time we get her a new one, and this is it. Looking forward to driving it.

  • @loriallen67
    @loriallen67 Год назад

    Visibility was what eliminated the Prius for me in 2007. I never looked at it again. Rear visibility was my issue. As a short woman with a shorter than typical torso, I couldn’t see out of the back of the car at all. Generally, It isn’t a great car for those of us 5’2” or shorter. Thanks for pointing out the visibility issue.

  • @akron82
    @akron82 Год назад

    Was great technology when I bought a vault in 2012 and had two more Volts after. However, now I am now full EV with my Bolt EUV and not going backwards.

  • @loriallen67
    @loriallen67 Год назад

    I’m dying. 😂 John Voelker nailed Prius drivers. Totally. 😜

  • @MarioDallaRiva
    @MarioDallaRiva Год назад

    John - the road trip evil twin 🤙🏼

  • @ElijahsAba
    @ElijahsAba Год назад +5

    Been waiting for this, Tom. I bought a previous generation Prius Prime and it felt like I sold my automotive soul, so I got rid of it after about a year or so. This one looks like it could be a viable prospect, but how would I ever actually find out for myself if a test drive is basically out of the question?

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Год назад

      I did also when I got my Volt since I do track days and I love my ICE sports cars. After about a month of driving the Volt and not having to stop at a filling station the entire time and not even putting a visible dent in the fuel level in the tank, plus having the electric torque, I was sold! I will never go EV for my track day car though.

  • @MrWawer
    @MrWawer Год назад +1

    I love PHEV concept and I own a Prius Prime 2018 and it is a fantastic car. But lack of AWD with heavy back ( were battery is locked) has down side. So disappointed that new prime doesn’t offer AWD ! I was really looking forward to it.

  • @frankcheung99
    @frankcheung99 Год назад

    I have been driving my 2018 prius prime for over 3 years, love it! will buy another one this year or next year... not sure why Toyota is not making enough of them...

  • @briancaos
    @briancaos Год назад

    I like the small easter egg at 7:56 where you have switched name tags :)

  • @Billybobthor
    @Billybobthor Год назад

    Good job. I like that you include some of the product “education” portion.

  • @MylesV
    @MylesV Год назад +1

    3:11, surprised by this. The old Prius Prime's default EV mode would not switch the engine on under hard acceleration, only in EV Auto which had to be manually selected.

    • @kevinsargent6282
      @kevinsargent6282 Год назад

      I noticed that too and I agree. I am not sure what they describe is accurate; why would it still have the same EV Auto and EV/HV buttons otherwise? Also, I have not heard any other auto reviewer mention this behaviour (which it certainly would be brought up when testing acceleration times in EV), so I am inclined to think they were actually in EV Auto mode for maximum power and didn’t realize the difference between the modes. Just a guess until someone else who has driven one can confirm otherwise.

  • @madlucio70
    @madlucio70 Год назад

    I charge my PHEV every night, and I live in a condo without a home charger. Québec has a really decent electrical infrastructure, so I have level 2 chargers close to my place in all directions and I enjoy the nightly outings. I agree that it is worrying to hear that so many people buy PHEV's and do not charge them. Basically running the petrol motor and carrying around a lot of extra weight...

  • @fist003
    @fist003 Год назад

    The 2023 Toyota Prius Prime is transforming

  • @nicolespruitt675
    @nicolespruitt675 Год назад +1

    I just noticed the name tags 😂

  • @kasio22B
    @kasio22B Год назад +1

    I wonder the Prius, the Ferrari Purosangue and the Lotus Eletre were all designed by the same guy...

  • @JulD.9032
    @JulD.9032 Год назад

    Its amazing how years after the great Chevy Volt was discontinued, it still holds some higher specs than new PHEVs! Really shows GM were onto something but failed at mass market. But really excited about this new Prime Prius, what with great styling & longer EV range. Another excellent video with Tom & fellow guest John. Really interesting to see the insider presentation by Toyota to the Car reviewers too 🎉

  • @therealcdnuser
    @therealcdnuser Год назад

    I am a previous 2018 Volt owner (loved it) but… can’t believe i am going to say this. I think the new Prius is better looking now.

  • @HJC1950
    @HJC1950 Год назад

    The running average of my 2017 Prius Prime over more than six years and 60K+ miles is 97.3 mpg. Of course I plug it in - to a standard outdoor outlet on the side of my house. It makes no sense to buy a plug-in hybrid if you won't plug it in.

  • @B9M3
    @B9M3 Год назад +2

    Such low volume availability makes it somewhat irrelevant.

  • @TheWezguy
    @TheWezguy Год назад +1

    Test drive? My guess is with these in such short supply there isn’t going to be a test drive? We ordered a rav4 prime. Never got to test drive it until we bought it

  • @the_jarmel
    @the_jarmel Год назад +1

    Great job Tom 👏👏👏

  • @bryanherr1093
    @bryanherr1093 Год назад +2

    This might be the car that finally replaces my 2013 Leaf.

  • @jazzjokesjalopies
    @jazzjokesjalopies Год назад

    An informative, helpful review. Thanks Tom! 😊 Like the car, not the subscription service.

  • @vancity2349
    @vancity2349 Год назад +1

    Agree Tom. Great car and they will sell everyone they make. However why do they not build more?

  • @capsule2326
    @capsule2326 Год назад

    great review you guys

  • @donswier
    @donswier Год назад +2

    9:10 -9:55 Tom & John: Most relevant, non-tribal conversation ever about the current direction of the auto industry.
    Buyers are confused.
    Consumers are mostly unaware of how their car functions (FWD? RWD? 4cyl? 8cyl? )
    Add the choice of Hybrid or PHEV to the mix and it's now Information Overload to many non-car people.
    Amazing how many people think 40 miles range is useless until you point out how many gallons and $$ that saves them annually.

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Год назад +1

      Yep, I've told people, reset your trip odometer at the end of the day when you pull into your driveway to realize just how few km of EV range they actually need to drive >90% emissions free.

  • @dansburns
    @dansburns Год назад +1

    Toyota needs to ramp up production big time if they want these cars to be adopted. I'm interested in one but it will need to be AWD as I live in the snowy Wasatch Mountains.

  • @tonyw2167
    @tonyw2167 Год назад

    I love my Kia Sorento PHEV…. Smaller battery, lighter weight, I drive mainly local so it serves my needs well😊 This Prius Prime is nice too, may be I’ll take it as my second car😊

  • @DJAYPAZ
    @DJAYPAZ Год назад

    Tom, you made some quite interesting comments about the role of of EVs in combating climate change.

  • @colin1992
    @colin1992 Год назад

    I'm getting this car next year. Can't wair

  • @Riley_1955
    @Riley_1955 Год назад

    Just bought me a 2023 Corolla hybrid LE AWD and I'm just loving it ...... Would have loved it if Toyota had made it in a PHEV and would have probably bought one but it seems most makers want to charge 5k to 10k more for a PHEV over a regular hybrid and that just seems asinine to me for just getting around 30 to 40 miles on all electric ...... 2k to 3k extra would be more appropriate for such low miles.

  • @phillyphil1513
    @phillyphil1513 Год назад

    re: "Optimized Prime..."

  • @paranoidhumanoid
    @paranoidhumanoid Год назад

    There's so many Toyota's on the road in this review!

  • @ScottE5
    @ScottE5 Год назад

    Another excellent review, John.

  • @malifestro3319
    @malifestro3319 Год назад +1

    We love our 2017 Volt, and it has had no problems except recalls. It was out years ahead of a Rav4 Prime, GM had the right drive train in the wrong platform for the masses. Tom - Do you think a Prius Prime is good enough to get Volt owners to consider replacing?

    • @toddbenfield6546
      @toddbenfield6546 Год назад +1

      Good enough for me coming from a 2018 Volt👍have a 23 hybrid now waiting on the Prime. Love it, and the Prime will be that much better!

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Год назад

      @@toddbenfield6546 Yep, the only thing that will get me out of my 2017 Volt is this Prime, though I do have a preorder in for an Aptera, those things are looking to get an amazing range for the battery size. Perfect commuting appliance for me.

  • @jsfbay1
    @jsfbay1 Год назад +1

    Hi Tom, great review as usual, and great co-pilot/ride along guy! I'm very much a car guy who had a 1965 GTO in the mid 1970's (that should peg me in my 60's) and YET, I NEVER knew that the Volt was a PHEV! Part of that is just my ignorance I guess, but did Chevrolet also just do a poor job in getting the word out? Heck I would have bought one if I had known! One question - how's the battery in your two PHEV's and does Chevy have replacements for that time down the road when you need them? Be careful about that 10 year rule (I think that's a thing, that car manufacturers have to keep parts around for 10 years after a model gets the axe)!

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Год назад +1

      The biggest problem with the Volt was that it was never advertised properly. It was essentially a test bed for the Voltec drivetrain they were planning on putting into to a lot of other vehicles to pay off the R&D. But since it was never really advertised, or sold properly by the dealerships the sales kind of lagged relatively to the Bolt and the rest is history. It was a tale of the progressive people saw the Volt as evil, and the conservative folks saw the Volt as evil, so the only people who bought it were the ones who actually thought about it and realized it was the the best of both worlds big picture wise especially considering its liberal EV range for daily driving.

  • @jp93309
    @jp93309 Год назад +1

    Sure I’d buy this or a rav4 prime but sparse inventory and huge dealer markups are distasteful.

  • @bme7491
    @bme7491 Год назад

    My 2012 Prius Plug-In got 12 miles in EV mode. After a year, it went down to 9 miles (25% drop). I gave up charging it after that. I hope this one doesn't do the same.

  • @haze1123
    @haze1123 Год назад

    Looks great. Toyota did an awesome job here.

  • @thomaslawlor4200
    @thomaslawlor4200 Год назад

    We have had an order placed for a Prime since last June (2022), and the other day were informed by Toyota we won't see it until November (2023), ! Brings up the question, should we wait a little longer and have a 24.
    It will be our third successive Prius but first "plug-in". Despite the ungainly appearance both previous models were (and number two continues to be), suburb runners and very economical. We highly recommend them to all.
    Now that the 22 is history we'll get the redesigned 23 due to the long delay. In our happy opinion that's a big bonus. However, I have one major concern with the new layout. Here, in Newfoundland, there's an extremely healthy moose population (Thanks State of Maine), and, on average, each day there are two vehicle~moose collisions. A car moose encounter is not like the ones that you see with deer.
    No, if you are driving a car at any speed over 25 miles an hour and hit one of these (Gangly Herbivores), they tend to slid up over the bonnet and either rip the whole roof off the car. Or, push through the windshield and hit you right in the face. Neither outcome is pleasant. This partly accounts for the huge number of full sized pick-up trucks we tend to drive in this place.

    • @DrivenCarReviews
      @DrivenCarReviews  Год назад

      If you take passion in Nov 2023, chance are it'll be a '24. Best of luck with the moose situation.

    • @thomaslawlor4200
      @thomaslawlor4200 Год назад

      Hey Tom, moose are a very real danger on the island. We're happy to know, we seldom will be traveling at highway speed and that makes a difference when it comes to safety. However, here, moose make regular visits to the downtown of the capital city.
      In North America the average population of moose is 1 per one square kilometer. On The Island of Newfoundland it's 2 per kilometer. We have a moose run in our back garden and see them all the time.
      You really don't want to hit one in a low roofed car, very good chance you'll die.
      @@DrivenCarReviews

    • @DrivenCarReviews
      @DrivenCarReviews  Год назад

      @@thomaslawlor4200 Completely understand. I grew up in Northern Minnesota where they might be less populous, but still lethal. Back in the day, my brother's friend hit one in a Fiat X1-9. The car's lack of height was an advantage, driving under the animal (but not completely). Totaled the car, killed the moose. Rich walked away with a bruise to his head and a sore neck.

    • @thomaslawlor4200
      @thomaslawlor4200 Год назад

      Thanks Tom.
      So many people have been killed and maimed in moose collisions here that a group was formed to sue the government because the moose were brought to the island by the government.@@DrivenCarReviews

  • @joelnehl
    @joelnehl Год назад

    I have 2021 Prius Prime Limited that costs less than $30,000 after tax credits, I don’t think I would pay $15,000 more for this Prime. I love the added range but have no need for all the extra power.

  • @BTC909
    @BTC909 Год назад

    The Delta II platform also helped the Volt's demise.

  • @palaemon
    @palaemon Год назад

    “You go girl.” 😂

  • @kelseykelderman6509
    @kelseykelderman6509 Год назад

    Great review. Sounds like a perfect vehicle for many Americans. Too bad they will be nearly unobtainable for most without a markup ruining the appeal.

  • @signpost5596
    @signpost5596 Год назад +1

    195/50-19 tires of any type or brand is basically non-existent as the moment. To stick with the same wheel diameter, 215/50-18 seems to be the only commonly available option (e.g. Michelin CrossClimate 2 and other brands). Whether the car can accommodate the wider tires I have no idea. Also no idea how fuel efficiency will be affected. So the fact that the Prime is FWD only is something to consider if you live in snow country.

    • @rightlanehog3151
      @rightlanehog3151 Год назад

      Yes, the tire and oversized rim combination is a bizarre decision from Toyota. I suppose it was done to demonstrate their newfound commitment to a style-over-substance Prius.

  • @johnborges5938
    @johnborges5938 Год назад +1

    Such an intelligent and thought-provoking review … not surprisingly! I'm happy the Prius played the ugly duckling game with it's swan conversion, but it does seem a bit too swoop-y with that steeply raked windshield and low rear roof height for my tastes. I guess I will have to hope Toyota eventually produces a Corolla Cross Prime.
    Ultimately I think PHEVs will be the sweet spot for a lot of American car buyers - at least until the problem of limited battery production is solved. About 90% of a 300- or 400-mile-range EV's battery isn't doing the environment any good on those typical days when the car is only driven 30-40 miles, but divided into multiple PHEVs or hybrids the same battery capacity could provide the full 300-400 miles of fossil-fuel-free driving nearly every day.
    In my own personal case, my vehicle has to have a range of at least 300 miles to allow for evacuation in the event of hurricanes (my family lives on the Gulf Coast). If you've ever driven out in a hurricane evacuation, you know you do not want to be forced to refuel anywhere nearby when hundreds of thousands of people are evacuating. To my mind that makes a PHEV the best choice for my next vehicle.

  • @tonywong9105
    @tonywong9105 Год назад +1

    Plugging in my Sorento PHEV has become an obsession to me and I think I need help here haha

    • @DrivenCarReviews
      @DrivenCarReviews  Год назад +1

      Same here. My wife HATES to drive on the gas side. She's considering a Bolt for that very reason.

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Год назад

      There are seven of us PHEV drivers now at work and we plug in like it's a religion, and like talking about how many times we drive past the fueling stations we used to have to stop at regularly. Those studies where PHEVs aren't plugged in also include a lot of fleet vehicles with drivers that have company fuel cards. It makes zero sense why a home owner or someone who can charge at work would want to pay more for fuel, and be inconvenienced with stopping at a filling station, than just charging.

  • @denault3985
    @denault3985 Год назад +1

    The Prius always get stunning gas milage but looked ugly in the past, this one looks great! Hopefully, they got rid of the tininess...
    Btw Tom, are you going to do a complete review of the 2023 Honda CRV Hybrid?

    • @DrivenCarReviews
      @DrivenCarReviews  Год назад +3

      Just wrapping up the shooting of the Honda. Coming soon.

  • @warrenb9343
    @warrenb9343 Год назад

    Another great review Tom. I immediately went to the Toyota site to build mine. However, they only have one color. Red. I am OK with red, just not sure I like that one. The rest of the dreary shades are for someone stuck living in a black-and-white movie. Next, only black interior. That's two strikes. I will not buy a car that is not a color and will not buy a car with a black interior. Too bad, I so wanted one of these. By the way, I saw one of these driving I5 south bound about Mountlake Terrace a few weeks back. Couldn't see who was driving. It was a silver one. You?

  • @PaulCyclist
    @PaulCyclist Год назад

    What is the cost for this subscription item mention? What stops working if you don’t subscribe? Thanks

  • @frankfei2346
    @frankfei2346 Год назад +1

    I am happy with my older Prius Prime. The new one cost much more. I would rather get ev with 7500 tax credits😂

  • @hardyk2010
    @hardyk2010 Год назад +1

    Tom, You should do a review on the Outlander PHEV..

  • @marcbungener1877
    @marcbungener1877 Год назад

    how good is road noise and general sound insulation ? (or how bad as Toyota are often quite inferior to Lexus in that respect). Love the design so much that I’m considering buying it along with a roof case to compensate for the small boot for the occasional family trip.

  • @alexcovid1912
    @alexcovid1912 Год назад

    how long it takes to charge up with regular electric outlet?

  • @mva6044
    @mva6044 Год назад

    No tax rebates, thanks to changes incorporated by IRA legislation. But if you lease, I see there is still a way to claim a rebate through a negotiation with your dealer and passing on the savings. Can anyone confirm that's do-able? Preferably with this car, i.e. Prius Prime, but really any non-US built PHEV or BEV?

  • @93455Driver
    @93455Driver Год назад

    Volt used prices are strong,,,,,,maybe folks worked out plugged in hybrids or this is just the used car prices in general. :( the gauge cluster position in the new Prius is a step too far :(

  • @paulm6481
    @paulm6481 Год назад +1

    Best of it is the basic goodness of this gen Prius. A bit too low for a man but good for young ones and women.

  • @gianniclaud
    @gianniclaud Год назад +1

    If it were my choice, I’d go with the RAV4 Prime. Otherwise, the Prius AWD is the better choice out of all the Prii.

  • @jeffreyanderson7629
    @jeffreyanderson7629 Год назад +1

    One of the things that bugs me most about my wife's hybrid cr-v is that the engine must turn on to heat the cabin. We're Minnesota drivers so our heater gets a lot of use and thus the hybrid aspect is lessened to a great degree. Does this Prius need the engine to produce heat?

  • @JOHNch4.v.v.7to10
    @JOHNch4.v.v.7to10 Год назад

    I thought that I was the only one that noticed heavy-footed Prius drivers!

  • @BanBiofuels
    @BanBiofuels Год назад

    I would buy one.

  • @jamesbennett5421
    @jamesbennett5421 Год назад

    As someone with my height in the torso, the large center rear-view mirror (see 5:47) looks like it would create a huge blind spot. It is a pet peeve in a lot of the cars I’ve looked at. Based on this one factor, the Volvo was horrible and the Ionic 5 the best so far. Good review - wife loves her Prius and this is on her short (ha ha) list.

  • @robertbaxter2684
    @robertbaxter2684 Год назад

    Tom, you were so close. So very close. Close to what?? Close to making a video about the Prius Prime - without a negative comment about the original Prius Plug-In that ONLY got 11 miles of electric range. Well, as a owner of the original Prius Plug-in and the very first year it came out - 2012 - let me tell you they are FANTASTIC cars and the 11 miles of EV range makes a difference. After 90,000 miles of driving I am getting @ 95 MPG - and that is measured at the gas pump. I record every fill up. So, a humble 4 KWH battery effectively doubled my MPG. Yes I drive a lot of short trips and always plug it in. Back of the envelope math tells me I have plugged it in well over 5,000 times. It takes about 20 seconds to plug it in my garage. I use a 110 dedicated circuit. It takes about 2 hours to charge. The car now only gets about 8.5 miles on electric range but even that makes a big difference. For example, yesterday I took a 30 mile drive and only plugged in when I left the house. It returned 82 MPG. So that single plugin made a 30 mile travel event at 82 MPG vs what would have been a 50 MPG trip. As far as reliability I have only replaced the 12 V battery - and that lasted over 8 years and one set of tires. That's it. I do get it serviced regularly. Thanks for the great review Tom on the new Prius Prime. However, for the time being I will continue to drive my 10 year old Prius Plug-in. It stills puts a smile on my face.

    • @DrivenCarReviews
      @DrivenCarReviews  Год назад

      Well, I'm glad you like yours and see the glass half full. My neighbor was borderline angry about the real world range (7-8 miles in the winter) even if it did increase the overall efficiency.

  • @PaulCyclist
    @PaulCyclist Год назад

    How much time to recharge the battery, after using rated miles, and using the 120vac charger?

  • @krrk6337
    @krrk6337 Год назад +1

    Toyota's argument about huge amount of materials needed to built EVs is solid.
    EVs carry huge batteries 20 hours a day doing nothing but to make sure you can go 200 miles once in a while are wayyy wasteful.

  • @TomTom-gn9mp
    @TomTom-gn9mp Год назад

    Usually headroom is reduced with sunroofs. Can someone please confirm if that's the case on this car? (EDIT) I just sat in both a non sunroof and sunroof Prius and both of them only had like 3/4 of an inch of headroom!

  • @ram64man
    @ram64man Год назад

    the lack of a rear wiper and poor choice of the rear door handle location over the standard layout, and forced to pay a subscription to get what was standard fit before that should be banned is the reason why I will stick with my mk4 as my a to b car