If you like the back and forth here, you should definitely try out Armored Core 6. It's another recent fromsoft game and the character conversations and banter in that is top tier
@@JH-gu4hjI was wondering why the banter felt so familiar! Even though it's a completely different setting and manner of speech, it feels like something Rusty would say to you while taking on Arquebus.
@@JH-gu4hj I didn't like Armored core 6, It was a forgettable game. Maybe I like Elden Ring, Dark souls and Sekiro more because I could self insert into a humanoid character in a medieval fantasy with swords and shields. Armored Core 6 mech setting, plot and gameplay did not appeal to me.
@@birth23ful Armored Core 6, forgetable? I honestly can't comprehend that because that game has been so memrable to me and my friends that we joke it's a form of brainrot. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with having that opinion, I just can't understand it.
@@birth23ful I understand your point of view, but it such a shame you're unable to enjoy it. Armored Core 6 is truly one of the best modern Fromsoftware game. For me, AC6 is somehow better than souls game in term of story and plot, characters and NPC, gameplay and maybe even music depending on your taste.
I love how Sir Ansbach is this wise old scholar, and then shows himself an absolute beast of a warrior, capable of matching an elite and young Redmane blow for blow, with equal fervour. If only we could have seen him in his prime...
@@spawnofchaos9422if igon in this battle: “YOU ARE ALL NOTHING BUT A FOOL!!! standing before you is the mighty DRAKE WARRIOR! Slayer of Bayle, Conqueror of the Jagged Peak, and Bearer of the dragon hearts. You are ALL on a losing side and yet NONE OF YOU EVEN REALISE IT, haha…..hahaha…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a pure comedy this moment is. NOTHING CAN SAVE YOUR MIQUELLA, NOT EVEN YOU!”
I love that line because at first you think he's talking himself down again, calling himself useless again, but this time he's like, "It doesn't matter how strong or smart you are compared to me, I am death, and you cannot stop me."
This might actually be my favourite souls fight period. It's so unique, and it's so amazing seeing all these threads that you've helped weave together coalesce, to see the fruits of your labour become realised and to see who truly is friend and who is foe. It's such a respectful fight, an emotional fight.
I love how with the enchantment active Ansbach repeatedly doubted himself and said that he wasn’t a warrior anymore but after it breaks his spirit returns as if Miquella was trying to suppress that honor and sense of duty he had to Mohg.
An age of compassion has no need for true warriors, so it makes sense that Miquella's spell would have effectively taken away a big part of his personality and character
@@agentkronos6438 Well, Freya didn't attack Miquella. I believe that the charm works on levels and since Ainsbach was hostile to the point of trying to kill Miquella, he got practically neutered
“You have no understanding. Of kindly Miquella, or St. Trina’s love.” Don’t see people talking about this one enough but it’s probably my favorite dialogue from this fight. It’s that reminder that we’re not just doing this to _stop_ Miquella’s plan because it would be a world bereft of free will… But also as mercy to Miquella himself. Godhood would be a hell of his own making, a terrible unending nightmare that he would never awake from. Even after everything he’s done, St. Trina still loves him enough to wish him the mercy of sleep.
He's right, too! Leda truly has no understanding of what's about to transpire. Thiollier is one of the rare characters that has that depth and comprehension. He recognizes that he made a mistake in doubting us, and does a full 180 once he realizes we were telling the truth. He's a real one.
Leda knows she’s a killer at heart, and I think it’s for that reason that she sees necessity in Miquella’s rule. She assumes that everyone is like her, deep down, and that there can be no peace and kindness in the world without his influencing charm.
" The path to hell is paved with good intentions " This line can be link to both Miquella and Leda. Such a simple but really powerful character writing!
She is a good girl after all. But she can not stop the urge to protect by any means. Basically she is us, but without plot reasons to consume everything on sight.
@@BloodyArchangelus She's also correct in her suspicions as well. Ansbach does betray Miquella. The Hornsent will inevitably turn on Miquella since his thirst for revenge wasn't even sated by killing Messmer, and swears he'll kill everyone related to Marika and the Erdtree. He'd probably turn on Miquella for being Marika's son. The Tarnish is literally guided by Grace to kill Miquella. However, she admits to making a mistake regarding Thiollier as a threat though, since she didn't predict that Trina would desire Miquella's death despite her deep love for him. She's also really respectful to the objects of her suspicion when she's trying to kill them. She's also implied in her rune's description to have been a Tarnished but was given unalloyed gold into her eyes by Miquella, which is why she's so fanatically loyal to him. She did kill all the other Needle Knights in the Haligtree though for reasons unknown, so she's still a crazy bitch.
Based. Two wrongs don’t make a right and I’m not a Marika fan but I could never feel sympathy for the Hornsent after seeing what they did to the Shaman.
The fact that there is literally no way to win Hornsent to your side despite him having like the most befriending opportunities (Stew, Messmer, and stop Leda) is kinda ridiculous
Its why im always siding with Leda in taking down the Hornsent then later helping Ansbach against Leda and the gank fight becomes a 4v4 fight..... Leda, Dane, Freyja and Moore vs The Tarnished, Ansbach, Thiollier and an NPC spirit ash (Mimic Tear, Florissax, Jolan, Anna ect..)
@@RiobasTayem Its not only the choice, Miyazaki and his team went to the recordings and spoke with the voice actors themselfs. They talked about how _every word_ was supposed to be said and what they wanted to convey. They had in depth discussions about the characters. They basically made sure they do exactly as they wanted
@@xeno703 theres an interview with a bunch of actors about how meticulous miyazaki would be ruclips.net/video/BoaMBxIjSIs/видео.htmlsi=cUcxcOoEuk4uexlP . Some voices in the interviews include Yura, Alexander, and Millicent
@@xeno703well it’s their first time so they didn’t really grasp that since it’s not something they’re accustomed to They did pretty good if it’s their first time
It was so heartbreaking to fight Freyja, Hornsent and Moore. But I was relieved hearing Ansbach and Thiollier by my side. This is hands-down the best NPC fight Fromsoft has ever done.
@@josephbulkin9222 if you get to the point where Leda is suspicious of the Hornsent, but then enter Messmer's boss room before interacting with their summon signs, it skips the part where they fight and she remains at the cross outside Rellana's arena until Messmer is dead and the summon signs in the Shadow Keep will disappear. once Messmer is dead, she'll have dialogue saying that with his object of obsessive revenge vanquished, she has no reason to distrust him anymore. i imagine that if you assist him against Leda, it plays out the same, where she forgives him and fights alongside him when you reach the room. although i think if you help Leda, he dies there and is not part of the final encounter.
To be fair, Leda doesn't summon him. Hornsent is a rogue spirit who can damage everyone. His obsession with revenge, held back by Miquella for so long, has driven him entirely insane. He will kill all Tarnished, deeming it the only true way to get revenge
Moore: "Miquella the kind will help us forget". Somehow the one character clearly written as a simple-minded is the one who knows, and tells, the unsettling truth as clear as day. Ansbach: Casually is respectful, ominous, thoughtful, as resolute as Leda and as war-junkie as Ishinn AT THE SAME DAMN TIME Leda: Talks so ambigiously she makes it impossible to tell if she is sorrowfully going after her former comrades OR taunting traitors in passive-agressive disdain and hatred. Thiollier: "Not the finest blade, not the mightiest armor..." Player: after all his journey, even now bro just can't help but downplaying himself a little Thiollier: "...will spare your life from the poison of Thiollier!" Player: HOLY FCKING SHIT THE SELF-CONFIDENCE Almost everyone: "I don't want to do this. This is heart-breaking. But given the stakes, you can be assured I shall murder my way through all of this. Moore again: "Sad, forever?.." My god, no wonder Fromsoft almost never allow npcs to have dialogue with each others. When they do, it leaves a mark on you for life.
I fucking love Ansbach and he's still my favorite, but goddamn if it Thiollier's character progression didn't make me feel a type a way. Even more so when Ansbach; a renown warrior who has accomplished much in his life-time as a well renowned noble and general to Mogh, was the one to give Thiollier praise. I only wish Thiollier heard his kind words, perhaps he doesn't need too anymore. A man who was beaten down by life to the point where he was too scared to die but suffered too much to live. A man who simply wanted an ever-restful sleep and a purpose for his life. It was only logical for him to chose St. Trina as his purpose. And for the first time in Thiollier's life, he had a purpose to see through till the end. A purpose we found for him.
Moore is universally depressing and I just wish I could hug him. All of his friends die or leave him, or he has to be killed by the only people he could still call his friends. I need a hug taunt for my little oxidized copper man
I was using Dryleaf Arts exclusovely throughout SotE, so while Ansbach and Thiollier kept Freyja and Leda occupied, Dane and I went toe to toe. It was almost like the "master vs student" fights you see in martial arts movies. He taight me to use rhe Dryleaf arts, and then I used them to kill him.
This is one of the best fights Fromsoft has done in soulsborne games simply because they had an assortment of characters throughout the DLC fleshed out beautifully, and the track to back the sentiments thrown back and forth, beautifully done
Its really crazy how they fleshed out so "many" characters with rather few lines and in this little time of the dlc playtime The npcs of the Base Game almost seem shallow in comparison imo
Leda: Throiller I seem to have a poor judgment, about you or perhaps St Trina Throiller: *You have no understanding… Of kind Miquella, of St Trina’s love. Not the finest blade… or the mightest armour.. will spare your live. From the poison of Throiller* 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶
One thing I hope they learned from this DLC is to make NPCs more vocal. I don't think anything makes them better than having them actually talk when things are happening. Igon screaming with every last drop of his being during Bayle, Hornsent hating Messmer, and the battle where friends have to be at each other's blades because of their goals. All of these were made infinitely better by having everyone just finally TALK.
What's even more heartbreaking - they all respect each other deeply. They were really united for some time and found common goal, despite all their differences. It's like growing up when one day you have to go separate ways from your family to chase your goals. They don't want it but know it must be done. And FromSoft managed to convey it with just a few lines of dialogues. Compared to other games it's really sparse yet it's filled to the brim.
God I'd absolutely love a more NPC focused FromSoft game, where just like in this DLC, we can see all the different factions interact with each other and affect the outcome of their battles. I do appreciate the isolated journeys of NPCs i nthe base game but seeing them all interact and fighting for their own goal is honestly so much fun!
"I am deeply sorry...for doubting you. I am here only to grant St. Trina's singular wish." "I will stop Miquella the Kind. He will never become a god."
This is so refreshing from the empty, celebrity driven VA that has taken over so much Hollywood animation / films. These are professionals and a far level above and it's so obvious.
Thankfully I got the full free-for-all on my 1st blind playthrough. Goddamn it was the hypest thing I've ever experienced in souls. And I never expected Thiollier to deliver such badass lines
i love how human feels this NPC battle, despice of being two bands battle you can tell how everyone is just fighting under is own beliefs and interpretations of who is Miquella. Some npc like leda and dane simply cannot change their mind, but in case of Moore and Freyja the best for him its just stay with miquella cause it align with their goals. And in case of Ansbach and Thiollier they help us for their own purposes
These characters are probably the finest Fromsoft ever developed and their from a DLC. I really bonded with them and knew from the start it would not go well for some of them.
If someone told me an npc gank fight would have been the peak of the dlc and prime Radahn was one of the worst fromsoft bosses ever I would have lost my mind
@@alessandrodebonis4888Whoever says that Radahn is the worst Fromsoft boss is high af because we have such contenders as Bed of Chaos, Ancient Dragon from DS2, trio gank fight from DS2, double Gargoyles in ER. He is not even close to being the worst in my opinion
The drama of this moment... How did From knew I'd meet and understand all these people? Leda, you follow your Lord into godhood, but have you wondered if it is really your choice? You've been to the crosses, and seen everything Miquella left behind to ascend. Is there anything left of the Kind Miquella you're sworn to? Freyja, Radahn is dead. He died a warrior, like he deserved. Bringing him back, on the corpse of someone else, to serve a Lord he didn't choose, would he want that? Do you want that for him? Hornsent, we fought Mesmer together, we avenged your people... But once you get a taste for blood, you just don't care who it comes from. It won't stop with me. Sir Moore, you fight to forget the pain, but it is that pain what drives your caring nature. Would a kind Lord take your kindness away? Master Dane, there's no need for words. I've met each of you as allies and friends. If lordship requires suffering, I accept the price. I am to become Elden Lord. I herald a new age. The throne will be mine.
Ngl, when i walk in the arena and saw Leda, i was like; huh, so here we go again, another typical fromsoft sad npc fighting ya? But the moment when every npc start talking and interacting with each other, the whole fight easily become my favourite and damn, it was epic!
I love this fight, if you do it alone, it's like you are the boss here and Leda and her companions must defeat you, and if you do it with Ansbach and Thioller it is a fight between companions with different ideals, really a wonderful idea for a combat against npcs
"I am Sir Ansbach of the Pureblood Knights. I stand with blade aloft, blood afire. For the dignity of my lord and master Mohg." This is the ABSOLUTE best of Fromsoft's NPC fights. I legit had tears during the whole fight. This might've been even more emotionally charged than the final boss. Final boss was epic, but THIS. This was so emotionally charged that I just can never hate this fight no matter how much anybody tries to convince me otherwise.
The fact that the two heros that stand with you, one being dex/arcane/faith for Ansbach, the other being dex/arcane/int for Thiollier, has to be some sort of point that Miyazaki is trying to make about building as such
Having all of them reminiscing about their times together, not wanting to fight each other and working against/with you made this fight hit 10x harder.
I can't say much more than what's already been said, but man this fight was epic.... Getting to give Freyja a proper battle, one against the Pureblood Knight Ansbach at that. Feeling fury at Hornsent's self righteous behavior after learning what he and his people did to Marika's. Sadness and reluctance to fight Moore due to his naivete, and renewed strength at hearing Thiollier not only apologize to us, but feeling his new resolve to help fulfill St. Trina's wish to save Miquella. Mutual honor towards facing down Dryleaf Dane after learning from him, and facing down the Oathbound Knight, Lady Leda and her dedication to Miquella..... It just was such a beautifully done fight, Cinematic in every way alongside my spirit summon, Tiche,, leader of the Black Knife Assassins...
Didn't know Hornsent could play a role in this fight since i killed him in the ancient ruins of Rauh. Also Dane's last words really took me off guard during the fight
That should mean you summoned him to defeat Messmer, as Hornsent invades you in Rauh right before fighting Romina. If you don't summon him to fight Messmer and he survives his whole quest, he allies himself with Leda.
@@Gmaster124 summoning Hornsent to defeated Messmer is what triggers the invasion before Romina. If you kill him then, he won't appear in the final fight.
People who say this is the worst boss is probably because he didn't give a shit about the NPC quests, this fight is simply epic, although the combat itself isn't the best but the feeling that comes from having to face those you saw as allies and fighting side by side with others produces a feeling that no other boss gave me... that added to the music and the NPC dialogues undoubtedly make for a pretty epic battle.
Freyja was the only one I was looking forward to fighting. Its a bit difficult to explain, but as I respected her as a warrior, and looked forward to when we would be fighting together or against each other. It for some reason felt right to fight her. Edit: Thats not to say I didn't enjoy the fight overall, its just that fight her was the highlight for me.
Her fight man, it made me sad. She was the one I was hoping we would charge straight into the final battle with. When she said "this is our moment. Let's make it something to remember" It felt like an old friend telling me to smile and to honor her with battle. 😭 Edit: Oh yeah she bows to us in her death pose. I think she accepted us as lord in the end.
These voiceline edits are fantastic. DLC has a lot of controversial elements, but handling of major NPC quests has honestly been a knock out of the park in terms of improved across-board quality, and I hope the standard stays raised to this level in future games.
Miyazaki made this fight so people who whine about "summoning means you didn't beat the boss" will miss on one of the best fight narratively, and you can't change my mind
The fight was so hectic that I missed some of the lines later on in the fight. The exchanges between Thio and Leda, as well as Ansbach and Leda in particular. I would say I kind of like this encounter more than the final battle in some ways lol. Makes me hope FromSoft takes this more NPC/party member centric approach in their next game, whatever it ends up being.
Despite their game’s characters having scant dialogue, From’s characters still manage to feel more believable and human than in any other game. Every syllable carries weight and tells a story
Ansbach: "there's five of them and only three of us. It appears the odds are against us" Tarnished: "don't worry guys, I called a friend" ... Igon: "CUUUUUUUUURSE YOUUUUU LEDAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
@@sk8legendz Isn't it our desire for power and status. Gaining power through death and conflict, Becoming godlike, "stand on our own two feet." -Atton Rand. Features typically identified as sith
@@sk8legendz They aren’t really fight for power and status, they’re fighting for a better world that’s why they fight for Miquella. So it’s basically a fight between former friends with conflicting ideologies.
@@elviraweekes3906 from my point of view the jedi are evil The pathway to hell is paved with good intentions Miquella basically did an Anakin. We are Obi-Wan imo
How is there not a single comment about how epic this song actually is? It's all about the dialogue but youre missing the reason the dialogue works as well as it does. This track is great
“I answer to neither Marika or the Erdtree. I’m simply seeing through to a promise I made to a friend alongside setting these lands free of the Gods’ whims!”
![Shaman Village - Shadow of the Erdtree [EMOTIONAL VERSION]](/img/1.gif)
Love how Thiollier goes for "Oh tarnished, im pretty useless, but i sell poison :D" from "If St. Trina wants me to kill a god, i will kill a god"
Hearing souls characters converse with each other feels like such a breath of fresh air.
If you like the back and forth here, you should definitely try out Armored Core 6.
It's another recent fromsoft game and the character conversations and banter in that is top tier
@@JH-gu4hjI was wondering why the banter felt so familiar! Even though it's a completely different setting and manner of speech, it feels like something Rusty would say to you while taking on Arquebus.
@@JH-gu4hj I didn't like Armored core 6, It was a forgettable game. Maybe I like Elden Ring, Dark souls and Sekiro more because I could self insert into a humanoid character in a medieval fantasy with swords and shields. Armored Core 6 mech setting, plot and gameplay did not appeal to me.
@@birth23ful Armored Core 6, forgetable? I honestly can't comprehend that because that game has been so memrable to me and my friends that we joke it's a form of brainrot.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with having that opinion, I just can't understand it.
@@birth23ful I understand your point of view, but it such a shame you're unable to enjoy it. Armored Core 6 is truly one of the best modern Fromsoftware game. For me, AC6 is somehow better than souls game in term of story and plot, characters and NPC, gameplay and maybe even music depending on your taste.
"i will stop miquella the kind. he will never become a god" this guy locked tf in, holy
I mean... Who wouldn't get the most PERFECT SLEEP in your life..WITH A WOMAN TOO... no wonder he would kill A GOD FOR IT..
"Not the finest blade, not the mightiest armour will spare your life. From the poison of Thiollier." This is cold. Holly sh*t.
Badass on a different level
The way he says it like he feels bad for you for crossing him too 💀
Ansbach and Thiollier the real homies
Yes
those two homies are honorbound for their dead lord sadly Freyja for him she was siding a losing side
Thiollier was simping for Trina in a dark damp cave to help my ass
Quite the opposite
@@TheEternalClownhow dare you
Now, my blade. Watch closely.
What an absolute fucking chad
HOW READILY THE SENSATION RETURNS!
THE RUNAWAY SPIRIT OF WAR!🗿
I love how Sir Ansbach is this wise old scholar, and then shows himself an absolute beast of a warrior, capable of matching an elite and young Redmane blow for blow, with equal fervour. If only we could have seen him in his prime...
Gives me Gael vibes. An npc so badass he deserves to be a boss
He probably beat the shit out of hornscent before going after freya
Every single voice actor was brilliant in this
No one can top igon
@@quaidstevens-qh6vsImagine if Igon was in this fight, i bet we would be able to hear any dialogue other than his
@@quaidstevens-qh6vs Best Fromsoft npc
@@spawnofchaos9422if igon in this battle:
“YOU ARE ALL NOTHING BUT A FOOL!!! standing before you is the mighty DRAKE WARRIOR! Slayer of Bayle, Conqueror of the Jagged Peak, and Bearer of the dragon hearts. You are ALL on a losing side and yet NONE OF YOU EVEN REALISE IT, haha…..hahaha…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a pure comedy this moment is. NOTHING CAN SAVE YOUR MIQUELLA, NOT EVEN YOU!”
@@spawnofchaos9422🤣yes❤love Igon
“Not the finest blade, nor the mightiest armor…will spare your life. From the poison of Thiollier.”
They cooked with this dialogue
For sure. More love for Thiollier. St. Trina's love.
People need to realize how badass he really is, absolute conviction, to swear to kill a god for his lady. Damn
Thiollier's finest concoction
When he said that shit i screamed
"LETS GOOOO!!!!!! THAT BOY IS READY!!!"
@@TheHarrisontemple They are all badass.
They are all US.
From made whole MGS V with this dls.
Thiollier got that dog in him.
True snoozer male
tier 3 st.trina sub
@@screamthesecond3946lmaaaaaaaao
Shit I wanna be in him too
the hour the dog become a wolf
"Not the finest blade, nor the mightiest armor... will spare your life, from the poison of Thiollier."
That had no reason to go as hard as it did, holy shit
He's the best boi he kept tanking rhadan in my fight 😂
I love that line because at first you think he's talking himself down again, calling himself useless again, but this time he's like, "It doesn't matter how strong or smart you are compared to me, I am death, and you cannot stop me."
"Call an ambulance... But not for me!"
🗣🗣🗣 THE BARS
Sir Ansbach has the most Badass intro
Now, my blade. Watch closely.
For the dignity of my lord and master Mohg🗣️🔥🔥
Blade aloft, blood afire 🗣️🗣️🗣️
@@raginlemon9261
Mogh is innocent
@@metal_fusion Nah man. He's pretty fucking far from innocent.
This is unironically my favourite fight in all of elden ring. The voice acting is definetly a huge part of the spectacle.
Agreed
Same for me. It is the only thing in the DLC we haven't seen before. Unique fight, loved it.
Yup, this is probably the first time from soft has actually incorporated interactions between different NPCs at such a large scale.
I never thought an NPC boss would be my favorite fight, but here we are. Rest well, Ser Moore :(
This might actually be my favourite souls fight period. It's so unique, and it's so amazing seeing all these threads that you've helped weave together coalesce, to see the fruits of your labour become realised and to see who truly is friend and who is foe. It's such a respectful fight, an emotional fight.
I love how with the enchantment active Ansbach repeatedly doubted himself and said that he wasn’t a warrior anymore but after it breaks his spirit returns as if Miquella was trying to suppress that honor and sense of duty he had to Mohg.
Brilliant interpretation, sir!
An age of compassion has no need for true warriors, so it makes sense that Miquella's spell would have effectively taken away a big part of his personality and character
And his love of blood, and his dancing bloodletting blade.
@@Axindoor yes, but how do we justify Freya who doesn't seem to have lost her fighting spirit?
@@agentkronos6438 Well, Freya didn't attack Miquella.
I believe that the charm works on levels and since Ainsbach was hostile to the point of trying to kill Miquella, he got practically neutered
“You have no understanding. Of kindly Miquella, or St. Trina’s love.” Don’t see people talking about this one enough but it’s probably my favorite dialogue from this fight. It’s that reminder that we’re not just doing this to _stop_ Miquella’s plan because it would be a world bereft of free will… But also as mercy to Miquella himself. Godhood would be a hell of his own making, a terrible unending nightmare that he would never awake from. Even after everything he’s done, St. Trina still loves him enough to wish him the mercy of sleep.
Radagon and Marika did not love each other, that was their undoing. There's a reason Radagon's sigil is a cage and Marika's is a crucifix.
He's right, too! Leda truly has no understanding of what's about to transpire. Thiollier is one of the rare characters that has that depth and comprehension. He recognizes that he made a mistake in doubting us, and does a full 180 once he realizes we were telling the truth.
He's a real one.
Finally, someone who gets it! Hands down the best line I've ever heard in a fromsoft game
The onion cutting ninjas are getting me again. Never realized until now how emotional Thiollier's response was until now. 😭
Leda knows she’s a killer at heart, and I think it’s for that reason that she sees necessity in Miquella’s rule. She assumes that everyone is like her, deep down, and that there can be no peace and kindness in the world without his influencing charm.
" The path to hell is paved with good intentions " This line can be link to both Miquella and Leda. Such a simple but really powerful character writing!
I think you hit the nail dead on.
@@LocksAndChains get the drink i offee you and get out
She is a good girl after all. But she can not stop the urge to protect by any means. Basically she is us, but without plot reasons to consume everything on sight.
@@BloodyArchangelus She's also correct in her suspicions as well. Ansbach does betray Miquella. The Hornsent will inevitably turn on Miquella since his thirst for revenge wasn't even sated by killing Messmer, and swears he'll kill everyone related to Marika and the Erdtree. He'd probably turn on Miquella for being Marika's son. The Tarnish is literally guided by Grace to kill Miquella. However, she admits to making a mistake regarding Thiollier as a threat though, since she didn't predict that Trina would desire Miquella's death despite her deep love for him. She's also really respectful to the objects of her suspicion when she's trying to kill them. She's also implied in her rune's description to have been a Tarnished but was given unalloyed gold into her eyes by Miquella, which is why she's so fanatically loyal to him. She did kill all the other Needle Knights in the Haligtree though for reasons unknown, so she's still a crazy bitch.
killing Moore actually made me leave my room and go for a drive
I was like "i'm not crying, damn onion cutter ninja" 😢
I was in tears when he said "You and I, fighting. A tragedy, this is."
And then the next second he hit me with a comically large rot pot.
@@nox6497Yeah, I kind of stopped being sad about killing him when he threw the second rot pot at me.
Sad? Forever?😭
Bruh, getting insta-rotted because of his pots gave me a heart attack! I did NOT realize how much rot build up it does.
I put down the Hornsent using Messmer's orb. In the end, he met death in the embrace of Messmer's flame.
Based. Two wrongs don’t make a right and I’m not a Marika fan but I could never feel sympathy for the Hornsent after seeing what they did to the Shaman.
Justice for what his kind did to Marika’s people.
@@NoSyrupLeft It's like Leda said: "They were never saints, they just happened to be on the losing side of a war."
that is diabolical. i love it
"I am sir ansbach of the pure blood knights. I stand with blade aloft. Blood afire"
Fucking sick. Especially since he came to save our asses
HORNSENT, I FUCKING HELPED YOU HORNSENT.
He didn't want the help, and now knowing you're basically Marika's hitman, you're next on his shit list.
If you learn the hornsents lore, he's one of the worst
Ong I wanted to sucker-punch that traitorous worm face
The fact that there is literally no way to win Hornsent to your side despite him having like the most befriending opportunities (Stew, Messmer, and stop Leda) is kinda ridiculous
Its why im always siding with Leda in taking down the Hornsent then later helping Ansbach against Leda and the gank fight becomes a 4v4 fight..... Leda, Dane, Freyja and Moore vs The Tarnished, Ansbach, Thiollier and an NPC spirit ash (Mimic Tear, Florissax, Jolan, Anna ect..)
Fromsoft just casually making the most heart wrenching gank fight in the series.
Thiollier pulling the most unprecedented character development in this dlc made him so so cool
Leda fr said "change the world, my final message, goodbye" *fades to nothing*
"Now, my blade. Watch closely. " Such a badass line and delivery, Sir Ansbach is awesome.
I read that most of the VA are their first time of their career in a game which is awesome
Fromsoft really has the golden touch when it comes to choosing underrated or (more or less) first time voice actors.
@@RiobasTayem Its not only the choice, Miyazaki and his team went to the recordings and spoke with the voice actors themselfs. They talked about how _every word_ was supposed to be said and what they wanted to convey. They had in depth discussions about the characters.
They basically made sure they do exactly as they wanted
@@SuperXD44it’s almost like that’s the job of a voice actor?
@@xeno703 theres an interview with a bunch of actors about how meticulous miyazaki would be ruclips.net/video/BoaMBxIjSIs/видео.htmlsi=cUcxcOoEuk4uexlP . Some voices in the interviews include Yura, Alexander, and Millicent
@@xeno703well it’s their first time so they didn’t really grasp that since it’s not something they’re accustomed to
They did pretty good if it’s their first time
It was so heartbreaking to fight Freyja, Hornsent and Moore. But I was relieved hearing Ansbach and Thiollier by my side. This is hands-down the best NPC fight Fromsoft has ever done.
It is odd that Leda and Hornsent are fighting alongside each other, considering what happens when Miquella's great rune breaks.
@@josephbulkin9222 if you get to the point where Leda is suspicious of the Hornsent, but then enter Messmer's boss room before interacting with their summon signs, it skips the part where they fight and she remains at the cross outside Rellana's arena until Messmer is dead and the summon signs in the Shadow Keep will disappear. once Messmer is dead, she'll have dialogue saying that with his object of obsessive revenge vanquished, she has no reason to distrust him anymore. i imagine that if you assist him against Leda, it plays out the same, where she forgives him and fights alongside him when you reach the room. although i think if you help Leda, he dies there and is not part of the final encounter.
To be fair, Leda doesn't summon him. Hornsent is a rogue spirit who can damage everyone. His obsession with revenge, held back by Miquella for so long, has driven him entirely insane.
He will kill all Tarnished, deeming it the only true way to get revenge
@@AuralAzureif you assist him against messmer, he turns his revenge against miquella and he invades you before Romina
@@THEME-SICKLE actually, he will turn against everyone adjacent to the Erdtree. You included.
I got chills when Dryleaf Dane said:
He actually speaks if hes the Last man standing
@@nyankant8008For real? Anyone have footage of that? 🤔
Well, a kick to the face is worth a thousand words.
@@13Kr4zYAzN13 You have the lines in this very video
Moore: "Miquella the kind will help us forget".
Somehow the one character clearly written as a simple-minded is the one who knows, and tells, the unsettling truth as clear as day.
Ansbach: Casually is respectful, ominous, thoughtful, as resolute as Leda and as war-junkie as Ishinn AT THE SAME DAMN TIME
Leda: Talks so ambigiously she makes it impossible to tell if she is sorrowfully going after her former comrades OR taunting traitors in passive-agressive disdain and hatred.
Thiollier: "Not the finest blade, not the mightiest armor..."
Player: after all his journey, even now bro just can't help but downplaying himself a little
Thiollier: "...will spare your life from the poison of Thiollier!"
Player: HOLY FCKING SHIT THE SELF-CONFIDENCE
Almost everyone: "I don't want to do this. This is heart-breaking. But given the stakes, you can be assured I shall murder my way through all of this.
Moore again: "Sad, forever?.."
My god, no wonder Fromsoft almost never allow npcs to have dialogue with each others.
When they do, it leaves a mark on you for life.
I fucking love Ansbach and he's still my favorite, but goddamn if it Thiollier's character progression didn't make me feel a type a way.
Even more so when Ansbach; a renown warrior who has accomplished much in his life-time as a well renowned noble and general to Mogh, was the one to give Thiollier praise. I only wish Thiollier heard his kind words, perhaps he doesn't need too anymore. A man who was beaten down by life to the point where he was too scared to die but suffered too much to live. A man who simply wanted an ever-restful sleep and a purpose for his life. It was only logical for him to chose St. Trina as his purpose.
And for the first time in Thiollier's life, he had a purpose to see through till the end. A purpose we found for him.
I feel sad for Thiollier and Moore, they sound extremely pained that they have to fight one another
Moore is universally depressing and I just wish I could hug him. All of his friends die or leave him, or he has to be killed by the only people he could still call his friends. I need a hug taunt for my little oxidized copper man
@@icetide9411 Ikr, it's like Miyazaki looked at Seigmeyer and said: "but what if he was... Depressed"
@@deazee2288 It's sad because depression leads to hollowing in the Souls universe... and he hollowed out if you help him too much in his questline.
I was using Dryleaf Arts exclusovely throughout SotE, so while Ansbach and Thiollier kept Freyja and Leda occupied, Dane and I went toe to toe. It was almost like the "master vs student" fights you see in martial arts movies. He taight me to use rhe Dryleaf arts, and then I used them to kill him.
And now you've earned his own footwork
Moore breaks my heart, every damn time.
It really does...he deserved better
And then he broke his rot pot against my head
@@MardenNewAcc That mf is staying sad forever in all my future playthroughs
Sad… forever?
Finally, the correct version of the song
"This is our moment. Let's make it something to remember." Gave me CHILLS
This is one of the best fights Fromsoft has done in soulsborne games simply because they had an assortment of characters throughout the DLC fleshed out beautifully, and the track to back the sentiments thrown back and forth, beautifully done
Its really crazy how they fleshed out so "many" characters with rather few lines and in this little time of the dlc playtime
The npcs of the Base Game almost seem shallow in comparison imo
@@nuke1863 they really do...god i feel so bad for moore final words : (
God you people are dumb some music and corny dialogue is all it take to impress you imbeciles
I got goosebump hearing thiollier and ansbach pull up
Like Freyja said, FromSoft really did something to remember. I loved that fight. So emotionnally charged and epic at the same time.
“Now my blade, watch closely.” Badass asf
Leda: Throiller I seem to have a poor judgment, about you or perhaps St Trina
Throiller: *You have no understanding… Of kind Miquella, of St Trina’s love.
Not the finest blade… or the mightest armour.. will spare your live. From the poison of Throiller*
🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶
St Trina told him to lock in and he immediately turned into a giga chad
One thing I hope they learned from this DLC is to make NPCs more vocal. I don't think anything makes them better than having them actually talk when things are happening. Igon screaming with every last drop of his being during Bayle, Hornsent hating Messmer, and the battle where friends have to be at each other's blades because of their goals. All of these were made infinitely better by having everyone just finally TALK.
Lord of the Erdtree... LORD OF MARIKA
What's even more heartbreaking - they all respect each other deeply. They were really united for some time and found common goal, despite all their differences. It's like growing up when one day you have to go separate ways from your family to chase your goals. They don't want it but know it must be done.
And FromSoft managed to convey it with just a few lines of dialogues. Compared to other games it's really sparse yet it's filled to the brim.
God I'd absolutely love a more NPC focused FromSoft game, where just like in this DLC, we can see all the different factions interact with each other and affect the outcome of their battles. I do appreciate the isolated journeys of NPCs i nthe base game but seeing them all interact and fighting for their own goal is honestly so much fun!
We get to see a good amount of that in Armored Core 6
@@namirakira7138 siiick, been meaning to play that once it goes on sale, thanks!
Killing Moore and Freyja broke my heart and I saw it coming that it would end in a horrible way for these characters in traditional FromSoft fashion.
At least Freyja wanted to die in battle, if anything she has the happiest ending.
"I am deeply sorry...for doubting you. I am here only to grant St. Trina's singular wish."
"I will stop Miquella the Kind. He will never become a god."
2:26 the music synced with this Thiollier dialogue is just chef kiss
This is so refreshing from the empty, celebrity driven VA that has taken over so much Hollywood animation / films. These are professionals and a far level above and it's so obvious.
Been this way since 2009.
Thankfully I got the full free-for-all on my 1st blind playthrough. Goddamn it was the hypest thing I've ever experienced in souls.
And I never expected Thiollier to deliver such badass lines
Ansbach: You have my blade.
Thiollier: And my poison.
Mimic: And *your Axe!*
i love how human feels this NPC battle, despice of being two bands battle you can tell how everyone is just fighting under is own beliefs and interpretations of who is Miquella. Some npc like leda and dane simply cannot change their mind, but in case of Moore and Freyja the best for him its just stay with miquella cause it align with their goals. And in case of Ansbach and Thiollier they help us for their own purposes
Really drives home the name of the song. "Those united in common cause."
So it's basically an Armored Core 6 battle. It's beautiful.
Fr some of the fights in armored core were hard because our how much I couldn't see the screen.
To many feels in the way.
Summoning Florissax (She has unique dialogue) for a 4v5 is the only way to do this fight right.
Who?
@@rolotomassi8767the lady by the Dragon Communion Pot, I assume
What does she say
@@keseanlee4692 she is the only spirit summon that has lines when summoned in a fight, for example she says"for my brave lord"
@@user-cg8gb1uk1m How do you summon her for the fight?
These characters are probably the finest Fromsoft ever developed and their from a DLC.
I really bonded with them and knew from the start it would not go well for some of them.
Peak Souls here man.
Haven't actually beat radahn yet but for me this was the emotional climax of the dlc for sure
If someone told me an npc gank fight would have been the peak of the dlc and prime Radahn was one of the worst fromsoft bosses ever I would have lost my mind
@@alessandrodebonis4888 The dlc peaked with this fight and Messmer
@@alessandrodebonis4888Whoever says that Radahn is the worst Fromsoft boss is high af because we have such contenders as Bed of Chaos, Ancient Dragon from DS2, trio gank fight from DS2, double Gargoyles in ER. He is not even close to being the worst in my opinion
The drama of this moment... How did From knew I'd meet and understand all these people?
Leda, you follow your Lord into godhood, but have you wondered if it is really your choice? You've been to the crosses, and seen everything Miquella left behind to ascend. Is there anything left of the Kind Miquella you're sworn to?
Freyja, Radahn is dead. He died a warrior, like he deserved. Bringing him back, on the corpse of someone else, to serve a Lord he didn't choose, would he want that? Do you want that for him?
Hornsent, we fought Mesmer together, we avenged your people... But once you get a taste for blood, you just don't care who it comes from. It won't stop with me.
Sir Moore, you fight to forget the pain, but it is that pain what drives your caring nature. Would a kind Lord take your kindness away?
Master Dane, there's no need for words.
I've met each of you as allies and friends. If lordship requires suffering, I accept the price. I am to become Elden Lord. I herald a new age. The throne will be mine.
I AM THE REDMANE FREYJA!
"I am Ansbach of the Pureblood Knights"
man, such chills
Ngl, when i walk in the arena and saw Leda, i was like; huh, so here we go again, another typical fromsoft sad npc fighting ya?
But the moment when every npc start talking and interacting with each other, the whole fight easily become my favourite and damn, it was epic!
Thiollier got that sleeper build.
Also Ansbach is fucking amazing.
The eeper build
In the literal meaning 😂
Ansbach got that weapon that yearns to bathe in the blood of his enemies
This part was better than the final boss
I love this fight, if you do it alone, it's like you are the boss here and Leda and her companions must defeat you, and if you do it with Ansbach and Thioller it is a fight between companions with different ideals, really a wonderful idea for a combat against npcs
"I am Sir Ansbach of the Pureblood Knights. I stand with blade aloft, blood afire. For the dignity of my lord and master Mohg."
This is the ABSOLUTE best of Fromsoft's NPC fights. I legit had tears during the whole fight. This might've been even more emotionally charged than the final boss. Final boss was epic, but THIS. This was so emotionally charged that I just can never hate this fight no matter how much anybody tries to convince me otherwise.
*getting ganked by Hornset and Freya*
“I Am Ansbach” 😲😲😃😃😤😤😤
Hearing moore say:"sad......forever?" Broke my goddamn heart
I had a whole playthrough to hear Freiya say, " The mere sight of your blade sets my heart aflutter "
The fact that the two heros that stand with you, one being dex/arcane/faith for Ansbach, the other being dex/arcane/int for Thiollier, has to be some sort of point that Miyazaki is trying to make about building as such
Having all of them reminiscing about their times together, not wanting to fight each other and working against/with you made this fight hit 10x harder.
Best NPC fight in the series. Period.
I can't say much more than what's already been said, but man this fight was epic.... Getting to give Freyja a proper battle, one against the Pureblood Knight Ansbach at that. Feeling fury at Hornsent's self righteous behavior after learning what he and his people did to Marika's. Sadness and reluctance to fight Moore due to his naivete, and renewed strength at hearing Thiollier not only apologize to us, but feeling his new resolve to help fulfill St. Trina's wish to save Miquella. Mutual honor towards facing down Dryleaf Dane after learning from him, and facing down the Oathbound Knight, Lady Leda and her dedication to Miquella..... It just was such a beautifully done fight, Cinematic in every way alongside my spirit summon, Tiche,, leader of the Black Knife Assassins...
Didn't know Hornsent could play a role in this fight since i killed him in the ancient ruins of Rauh.
Also Dane's last words really took me off guard during the fight
That should mean you summoned him to defeat Messmer, as Hornsent invades you in Rauh right before fighting Romina. If you don't summon him to fight Messmer and he survives his whole quest, he allies himself with Leda.
@@diegosaez4885 I summoned him on Messmer and he still invaded my world
@@Gmaster124 summoning Hornsent to defeated Messmer is what triggers the invasion before Romina. If you kill him then, he won't appear in the final fight.
ITS PEAK BROS
People who say this is the worst boss is probably because he didn't give a shit about the NPC quests, this fight is simply epic, although the combat itself isn't the best but the feeling that comes from having to face those you saw as allies and fighting side by side with others produces a feeling that no other boss gave me... that added to the music and the NPC dialogues undoubtedly make for a pretty epic battle.
when you think you have no more allies to come help you, you suddenly hear:
*"I am John Elden Ring. And every ring has its elden."*
Freyja was the only one I was looking forward to fighting. Its a bit difficult to explain, but as I respected her as a warrior, and looked forward to when we would be fighting together or against each other. It for some reason felt right to fight her.
Edit: Thats not to say I didn't enjoy the fight overall, its just that fight her was the highlight for me.
Me too, the moment I first spoke to her, I wanted to know more about this redmane.
Her fight man, it made me sad. She was the one I was hoping we would charge straight into the final battle with. When she said "this is our moment. Let's make it something to remember" It felt like an old friend telling me to smile and to honor her with battle. 😭
Edit: Oh yeah she bows to us in her death pose. I think she accepted us as lord in the end.
These voiceline edits are fantastic. DLC has a lot of controversial elements, but handling of major NPC quests has honestly been a knock out of the park in terms of improved across-board quality, and I hope the standard stays raised to this level in future games.
Miyazaki made this fight so people who whine about "summoning means you didn't beat the boss" will miss on one of the best fight narratively, and you can't change my mind
I also kinda found it to be a tutorial on how to deal with gank squads
The Bayle's fight with Igon as well. I just can't do this fight without summoning him, it takes away too much.
Literly best NPC's ever made with Igon
This to me is exactly what I wanted, thank you for that, perfectly fitting for me when I’m in the gym and need to get myself hyped up
Just hit 225x8 on bench while listening to Ansbach 🗿
2:48
That has got to be the most badass line in the game it tops Maliketh’s line for me
The fight was so hectic that I missed some of the lines later on in the fight. The exchanges between Thio and Leda, as well as Ansbach and Leda in particular. I would say I kind of like this encounter more than the final battle in some ways lol.
Makes me hope FromSoft takes this more NPC/party member centric approach in their next game, whatever it ends up being.
"I will stop Miquella The Kind" ... *Music starts ramping up* .. shivers every time ..
I legitimately gave up getting the two talismans I really wanted ‘cuz I didn’t want to betray Thiollier and Ansbach.
Despite their game’s characters having scant dialogue, From’s characters still manage to feel more believable and human than in any other game. Every syllable carries weight and tells a story
Thiollier voicer perform it perfectly
Donchu DAAAAAARE aprooch miquella the kaind
Freyja and Ansbach's interaction is anime as fuck.
Ansbach the GOAT
You and I, fighting? A tragedy this is..... Sad......forever? 💔😢
No way i consider this npc gank fight to be peak
Edit: at 2:45, you can hear St Trina talking along with thoillier
No it’s just thoillier
@@rexwest4532Yup, that's his line whenever he dies in the battle
Ansbach: "there's five of them and only three of us. It appears the odds are against us"
Tarnished: "don't worry guys, I called a friend"
...
Igon: "CUUUUUUUUURSE YOUUUUU LEDAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
Best fight in the entire game followed by Mesmer
I simply lost with RUclips generated subtitles as Hornsent started speaking:
"Lord of the Earth Tree, Lord of America"
First time I had unbearable ammounts of fun on an NPC fight
Well done Fromsoftware
Well fricking done
I felt like i was in a jedi vs sith fight
You reckon we are the Jedi or the Sith?
@LordJamek jedi, leda and her allies are the sith desiring powers and status
@@sk8legendz Isn't it our desire for power and status. Gaining power through death and conflict, Becoming godlike, "stand on our own two feet." -Atton Rand. Features typically identified as sith
@@sk8legendz They aren’t really fight for power and status, they’re fighting for a better world that’s why they fight for Miquella. So it’s basically a fight between former friends with conflicting ideologies.
@@elviraweekes3906 from my point of view the jedi are evil
The pathway to hell is paved with good intentions
Miquella basically did an Anakin. We are Obi-Wan imo
Peak moments in the Souls fanchine! This is like a thrown back to one of the mission in AC4A. Its crazy! The whole DLC are crazy good!
You and I fighting, a tragedy this is
Sir Moore I do not wish to fight you
- A tragedy of peace
God I got so hyped when Ansbach pulled up!
How is there not a single comment about how epic this song actually is? It's all about the dialogue but youre missing the reason the dialogue works as well as it does. This track is great
3:18 is seriously the hardest line I've ever heard regarding a perceived betrayal. Whoever wrote that dialogue deserves recongition.
“I answer to neither Marika or the Erdtree. I’m simply seeing through to a promise I made to a friend alongside setting these lands free of the Gods’ whims!”
And so...the fellowship breaks. For in that forsaken place, blood must spill - The blood of your fellows, the Erdtree faithful.