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original idea I came up with, that in development Radahn was meant to be actually Godwyn. Reasons why: 1. Deathroot in dlc, in bosses, and the tree looks like the erdtree ringed with deathblight, sin/death choking the golden order. 2. we enter the mind of a dead god, miquella, and he is become one in the land of shadows/death with his lord brother, the one he actually idolised, and has called Godwyn his lord brother before. 3. Constant Godwyn references in dlc, with the +3 talismans being used by Godwyns knights. 4. gives lore and answer to the biggest remaining mystery of the game, the fate and existance of Godwyn as prince of death.
@@misterwhalrus7334 That's interesting and I can totally see that being the case but I wonder why then they chose to replace him with Radahn if this is true.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming Personally I think it might have been either time constraints, making new movesets and characters is very time-consuming. Or the studio/Miyazaki had a big Radahn-boner for some reason.
If I was him I don't think I could be this reasonable, he is a homie and is such a shame that his quest ends the way it does but I guess he would find it a good way to end.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming Well it seems from how Ansbach carries himself the Dynasty in the past before Miquella was a properly knightly noble group. When the lord / commander of such a group is defeated in battle so long as there was nothing to soil the outcome it is a matter of honor and principle that that very lord instilled to respect the outcome. Heck since the Mogh we fight is so far gone in Miquella's charm ending him is something of a mercy especially would be to an old knight like Ansbach who has likely watched the Dynasty devolve from blood knights down into bloodthirsty marauding murderers.
@@SolusLupi Couldn't agree more with you, I think this is an spot on comment about Ansbach and Mohg Order. As I've said to someone else, I don't think Ansbach as calm and collected and honourable as he is, would join Mohg if he was this Blood letting lunatic, there had to be something to draw Ansbach in, and I don't think Mohg would want someone like Ansbach if all Mohg wanted to do was shed blood. So, I fully believe that Mohg's Order was quite an Honourable group that would accept those that the Golden Order had abandoned, but then Miq corrupted it to what it is now, to convince the Tarnished to kill Mohg so that Miq could use his corpse for resurrecting Radahn.
Gideon believed no Tarnished would or should become a lord because he knew Tarnished were driven by Marika's will whom, in fact, made them "tarnished" in the first place. Gideon is a based assshole.
He's a mature, honest and a more friendly version of Gideon. He's also way more useful than Gideon since he helps you against Leda multiple times like a true homie, unlike Gideon who shows up later to steal youe Great Runes and kill you.
I mean from the bits and pieces we learn from DLC, Mohg might of not always been this way and could have been influenced by Miq, and so becoming a bloody finger might have originally meant being connected to a family by the blood of a Demi-God, which was then corrupted into what it was now.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming "the formless mother desires a wound" or something to that effect. idk man mohg still seems weird especially with people like varre in his dynasty. knowing everything else about miquella I doubt he would try to TURN anyone into a blood obsessed murderous maniac, especially seeing how his charm works.
@@zacharyholland6715actually that formless mother quote is kind of weird, it seems she desires the wounds, I don't remember seeing anything saying she desires others to be wounded, also varrey could have easily been recruited post miquella. The last strange thing is how mogh needed people to bath miquella in blood, why would miquella charm him to do that?
@@zacharyholland6715 There’s degrees to which those with outer god powers follow the will of their patrons. Morgott uses bloodflame without any allegiance. Also, we kinda only see the negative sides to the worlds the outer gods would create. Just as there are good pests of rot who coexist and create new things, Mohg’s dynasty could have used blood in a different manner. I’m not sure that’s likely, but it’s possible
Mogh went from having Pureblood Knights with Ansbach as their captain pre-Miquella to having Varre and Bloody Fingers post-Miquella. Miquella is a monster.
@@technofreakazoid3324 we know that Ansbach was a pureblood knight and considering his age and that he had a "fearsome reputation" its not hard to imagine he was the blood knight captain. we know he had his heart stolen and began to serve Miquella after Mogh got enchanted by him(Muquella) by the time we arrive in the land between it seems the blood knight all turned into bloody fingers and are lead by Varre. this is all canon except the fact that ansbach was captain but this guy has a lot of evidence to backup what he said so..
He also mentions it earlier, and after Mohg was charmed, Sir Ansbach attempted to fight Miquella, but was charmed as well. It seems he is actually extremely terrified of Miquella after the charm wore off, but he still fights.
@@cameronmckillop6448 The fight against those united in common cause really felt like a *successful* version of what they were going for with Gideon. Gideon's fight lacked emotion but this NPC fight worked really well on that front.
Ansbach is my fave character of the DLC, he is like the second MC of this story. Makes you really wonder what the Moghwyn Dynasty was like before Miquella corrupted their purpose, if someone as awesome as this guy was part of it.
To be honest, Morgott was pretty righteous and fair, so i wouldnt be surprised if mohg was like that in his own right. The omen children may have been the ones who truly understood what it was like to be empathetic since they were shunned away. I do wonder if Varre was part of mohgs general dynasty or the one that came with miquella. He talks about how weird the two fingers are, but alludes to love and waiting for the right time, which makes me think he knew about the age of compassion.
I remember seeing something about the Formless Mother (the God Mohg worshipped) giving power to the downtrodden. If so, that's pretty based imo, and even though blood might seem scary it could be that Mohg actually had cool ideas before Miquella's enchantment
they were always PvPers who liked shedding blood. Ansbach is the kind of guy who bows before every duel, while Varre likes to do Level 1 runs and invade newbies all the time
Yeah his my favourite as well, it was nice seeing somebody from a group that at the time we thought were insane murderers who killed for the sake of it, but then we meet Ansbach who is a well spoken and gentlemanly character and it makes you think if there was another side to the Mohg Dynasty that we didn't see before Miq potentially distorted, and that are there others who joined Mohg not because he let them indulge in their blood lust but genuinely thought he was honourable enough to serve.
@@TrippyTimesTwo I believe Elden Ring is meant to be the culmination of all their previous works, so if/when they do a sequel I imagine it will be the perfection Miyazaki foresaw.
@@lebron73 Ehhhhh, he was never useful for me during battle, and tried killing me just because St Trina preferred speaking with me. neither Igon or Ansbach tried killing me because they were jealous.
@@lebron73 😂😂Fair enough, it could certainly be that I simply don't see and appreciate Thio's worth, I should definitely do another playthrough at no NG level, and take my time to enjoy the DLC so that I can see what I missed about him.
Even when he id terrified and want to leave all this behind him, he chooses not to as in his mind, it is the right thing to do and that Miq should not go unpunished.
If Anshback is a reflection of what Moghwyn Dynasty was then damn me. Mogh had a very much sane and wise people on his side. Anshback have absolutely no reason to serve Mogh if he was as insane as we thought he was. Not nearly enough. Anshback is completely chill, cold headed, follows reason and stand proudly for who he is: Pureblood knight. And calls us "Righteous". Not strong, or powerful or fellow Tarnished. But Righteous Tarnished. That's a lot considering the world we're in.
When he is felled in battle. He urges the Tarnished to rise up, win and become a Lord, a Lord of Men, for its only right for Men to rule Men, not God. When he was still a faithful knight under Mohg, he even challenged Miquella to put a stop to Miquella's charm. Man is literally a gigachad.
@@binhvan4893 In a world filled with backstabbers and people wanting to eat our livers, he truly is a cut above the rest and should be respected by all.
@@lycoris8425 That is very true, he might not of agreed with the others world view but he didn't want them immediately dead, whereas Leda was very much, "If your not with me, your against me" very Anakin like.
Ansbach is a real one, he knows at the start that we (the tarnished) killed Mogh but doesn't blame us and respects us since we were a third party that had nothing to do with anything of this and killed Mogh in a honorable duel for each-others lordship goals, but he blames Miquella bc he toyed and manipulated Mogh and profaned his corpse, which is really fcked up and untolerable for everyone that someone does that to their friend
If it wasn't for the sheer overwhelming gigachad energy of Igon, Ansbach would easily be my favourie dlc character, mostly due to the fact that even before we get to the final boss he gives us a unique perspective on Miquella, accompanied by a banger line. "Pure, and radient, he wields love to shrive clean the hearts of man." "There is nothing more terrifying."
I couldn't believe its a Knight of Mohg's House who is one of the most chill and kindhearted soul in the entire game so far. I get the feeling that Mohg wasn't as Evil and Blood/Mutilation obssessed when he was still a normal Demigod and was an actual good leader and icon to have someone like Ansbach to go this far for him.
Legit this is a great cast. Many different flavors of backgrounds, motivations, designs and a sense of actually knowing each other and having talked to each other before.
@@KrimmyKrim I hope fromsoft carries forward with having NPC's like this, it makes the world feel more alive and that it is still moving without our intervention.
This man is such a chad. When you help Leda in killing him he is so level headed. Doesn't curse you. Just says he is glad Leds has an ally. My man I am so sorry for siding against you. I wanted to know if anything happens if you side with Leda both times.
Oh shit really! That makes me so happy and so goddamn sad. That even when we're helping defend someone who has defiled his lord, his so understandable and doesn't shame you for doing it as he happy, that us and Leda have each other. Ansbach truly is the chadest of all chads. Can he become Elden Lord, I think we would truly achieve peace with him.
If we think about it, Mogh and Miquella are similar, their plans are the same and their objectives the same, but the difference is that Mogh knows what it is to live in misery and it also affects us and the fact that Radahn did not have the "proud death" he deserved, he was also used like Mogh. Furthermore, Mogh never forced anyone to follow him, unlike Miquella who has the power to cajole/fall in love/control others.
The moment i learned Mogh gave shelter to the peoples ravenously persecuted by the golden order, i knew something was off when he was presented as this "maddened child moghlester", and it became even more aparent when i read the lore of the bewitching branch, tho, at the same time, i didn't become a full supported of Mogh, due to it being really unclear. This tho, it changes everything i thought about Mogh, *Justice for the Omen twins*, like holy shit, please, leave the omens alone, the Hornsent already payed the price for their actions, these children are not even their decendeants, leave them alone.
given Mohg was described as a "Raving Lunatic" by his own robes. I don't think he was all too right in the head from the get go, but also nowhere was freakishly infatuated with Miquella...due to obvious reasons.s
@@sigmamaverick9215 Who writes the description though? If it is simply a description regarding the clothing and Mohg, then it is good evidence that Mohg wasn't all there mentally, but if there is an in universe explanation like the finger reader writing the descriptions then it makes sense she would be rather rude about Mohg.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming It really comes down to at what point Miquellas enchantment came in, for all we know he was mostly in the sewers guarding the entrance to the Three Fingers with a bit of help from Morgott before Miquella sneaked up, enchanted him and led him to go basically batshit crazy for blood, fire and little boys.
I like how there's subtle details showing that Mohg wasn't actually all that bad. If Ansbach is an example, then we can guess that the Pureblood Knights were actually a league of extraordinary gentlemen. We can also extract from certain hints and in-game descriptions that the Outer God "The Formless Mother" is actually a somewhat benevolent deity, as how Varre talks of love when inviting us to Mohg's Dynasty, how tender he was with Miquella compared to everyone else. Mohg was very loving to Miquella, moreso than any of the followers we face. Miquella's charm seems to still leave remnants or room for their personalities, like Ansbach's investigatory nature, Hornsent's hatred to the Erdtree, Freya's loyalty to the Redmane's, or Thiollier's devotion to Saint Trina. Meaning that if Miquella's charm truly was just a charm, then Mohg was very loving, tender, and generous to begin with. It was a beauty and the beast situation, where the beast was more loving than the beauty. Or perhaps a Shakespearean situation, where love is not looked at with the eyes for looks are deceiving. "Love looks not with the eyes, but with the mind; And therefore is wing'd Cupid painted blind. Nor hath love's mind of any judgment taste; Wings and no eyes figure unheedy haste: And therefore is love said to be a child, Because in choice he is so oft beguil'd." There's also the subject of Ansbach's age. Why is this important? Well, it's obvious that he's served Lord Mohg for a long, long time. His age and experience as a Pureblood knight is telling, even Freya knows how much of a true and powerful warrior he was. ((The mf helps against Radahn and holds his own, inagine him in his fucking prime.)) This implies that he joined Mohg in an age where he was honorable, or even moreso: Tender, loving, like the Formless Mother who took Mohg under her bloody guidance. Mohg was evidently a devout follower of the Formless Mother through blood rituals, however it is likely that he followed her more in the sense of caring, loving, nurturing. It's why we find Albinaurics tainted with blood in the Mohgwyn Palace; They weren't misdirected, they were followers like Mohg. Unloved and lost finding a place to call home... They just happened to arrive at the wrong time - A time where Miquella controlled Mohg. It's evident that Varre, the Bloody Fingers, the Nobles and the Surgeons were arrivals AFTER the charm of Miquella... After the Pureblood Knights too were charmed, like Ansbach. Then what's the end goal here?... Why charm Mohg and start this blood cult? I say it's to feed the egg a steady supply of blood to keep the Empyrean alive, sated, and as White Mask Varre has been doing: Recruit Tarnished to his side to charm, more followers. And perhaps as a way to kill Mohg to gain his body - Its likely that Miquella knew that Great Runes were necessary, and Mohg would be a perfect target. Any sensible or heroic tarnished like most of ours WOULD go after a villain known as "The Lord of Blood" who leads a blood cult of serial killers... A final piece of evidence: We can find an illusionary version of Mohg in the Leyndell Sewers amongst the Omen brethren, far away from the Mohgwyn Dynasty. This is just like Morgott's abilities to create a mimic/copy of himself like the two we fight. Why would Mohg of all people be here?... Easy, because he cares for his people. Because Mohg feels for the oppressed Omens within Leyndell, perhaps even for his own Omen brother, Morgott. Because Mohg is loving, and even though he's under Miquella's charm - just like Leda and her followers - He still has glimpses of his original personality, which is a loving, caring omen serving the Formless Mother... Giving love to all the unloved. TL;DR, Mohg didn't start the blood murder cult, Miquella did with his charm to lure in Tarnished and complete his ritual to the Shadow Lands.
Apologies for the late reply, just been busy and crafting my response. I completely with your first point with regarding Mohg and his order being different. If we use Ansbach as an example then Mohg must have been far less tyrannical and murderous then what he is now, as he wouldn't want an individual that is as honourable and level headed like Ansbach in his order, as he clearly has a code he abides by, as he even wants to avenge his lords death/disrespect even against a God. So, Mohg wouldn't create an order of Knights that followed a code if he just wanted to murder the world. I've always thought the formless mother was a much more benevolent entity than what people has said she is. As although her whole thing is about blood and wounds, there's nothing to see she wants death and wounds on everyone. She might only want/need a small wound to connect to people as Varre does to you, so you're connected to Mohg. I totally believe Mohg's order was about love and wanted to have a community and potentially get rid of the Golden order with the downtrodden and abandoned that the Golden order thought was lesser. I also absolutely agree with your comment about Miq's charm leaving people's personalities somewhat intact, as you perfectly pointed out all the various aspects of each charachter, and how they all keep them before and after the charm breaks. So, Mohg treating Miq with such kindness MUST mean that is who he is as a person, and his order before Miq was one of compassion and treated everyone as a loved family member like the formless mother wants, which is why she might of connected to Mohg as she saw a kindred spirit. I agree with your statement regarding Ansbach's age as he clearly has seen how Mohg was before and after Miq, as he knew he was charmed and tried killing Miquella, and at some point actually harmed Miq and severed an arm, as we learn From the Needle knight and Miq's lack of arm in the final fight. I also believe you're correct with the timing of the Albs, as I believe Miq transfomred Mohg and his order into blood thristy monsters so that it was easier to convince them to kill Mohg for is own purpose, and none of us would want to kill him, if he was this truly loving charachter. So any new arrivals would be corrupted to be monsters who live to kill, instead of people who found a home finally. I believe as well that Mohg's copy in the sewers was also an attempt to protect the omens down there, as he couldn't be there in person before or after his corruption, but he could still do something. You have made some valid and incredible thoughts on this, and I love how some people are dedicated to theorising and discussing this game, as it is fun talking to one another about it.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming if ansbach was the one who greeted us at the beginning, i dont think we would mind being in service to mohg if he were not charmed
"Honorable duel" I dunno man, i screamed at the sky for a bit,I made a golden vow before I set my metal balls on fire, I then drank an odd looking potion, shackled a mind broken demigod uncle and then wildly swung my flaming metal balls into his back side Wild strikes, nightriders flail, and bloodflame blade if anyone was curious
@@akbersalim9096Miquella's ability to charm others has been stated in the base game, we just didn't expect Miquella would go this far and manipulate everyone to his own end.
@@akbersalim9096 To be fair, no one could suspect that Miquella would brainwash his malformed older half-brother into kidnapping to his seks dungeon. Who the hell does that to themselves??
" He fell in honorable battle " >Me looking at the physick flask specifically designed to block his bleed, Mohg's shackle specifically designed to stun him and Mimic Tear, specifically designed to fuck him up " Totally bro. "
I first beat Elden Ring with a bleed build, so I’ll always be a Pureblood Knight at heart. It’s a shame we never got to see the Dynasty at its height when it had guys like Ansbach in it.
Oh yeah, that "honorable duel" where I jumped over some gravestones and walls, then keep attacking glitched out Mohg while he is not moving... ......oh, such good memories that "honorable battle" was.
Ansbach was the only npc I had for the fight (outside of my spirit summon) since I missed Tholier’s quest. He really helped in both the npc fights and the final boss. What a guy.
I find that interesting that at the start he stands next to moore, a dude that i thought will be a new "Wholesome fromsoftware guy" like Alexander or Siegward, while Ansbach was just a normal npc for me. But in the end Moore endet up being a traitor (while braiking my heart) while this guy has become the collest dude in the dlc. He really is a true friend who can forgive, and help in difficult moment while risking his live, all to stay loyal to his lord and us. So yea the first impression can be deceiving
Moore isn't a traitor, he has absolutely no reason to hold faith to the tarnished, who serves his lord, sets out to kill him and basically doesn't have a good track record of keeping friends alive.
I mean... Moore technically never betrayed ya. He just stayed loyal to Miquella. And he always would've been loyal to Miquella, not necessarily because of the charm, but because Miquella is (sorta) his uncle. He's implied to be a Kindred of Rot, which were born from Malenia's scarlet rot. And we certainly know how loyal Malenia is (or tries to be, not sure) to Miquella! He's kinda depressed, actually, that Malenia (maybe unknowingly) abandoned the Kindred of Rot in Caelid. Which is what our answer affects - should he stay depressed, or put the abandonment behind him. Or we can just be uncertain, and he won't do anything, thus staying a merchant where we first meet him.
I like how he praises Thioller for his gumption despite his weak demeanor and holds nothing against Freyja for doing what she believes is right. This guy is awesome.
It is quite trippy to think this a guy who served Mogh and is still dedicated to him even after Mogh potential personality change and death. He is probably the best NPC's Fromsoft has ever done. If we weren't the main characters of this story, he would easily take our place. He holds no hate for any of his adversaries other than maybe Miq and gives respect to those who we think might not deserve it. He is an absolute legend.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming I fully expected him to end up like Yurt/Lautrec and start killing the others since he was associated with ostensibly the most evil-sounding faction but apparently Mohg and his crew aren't nearly as evil as Rykard's associates.
@@DeepestDankest Agreed, I was bracing myself for his inevitable betrayal but it never came and had my back throughout the journey and in death wants US to be a lord for everyone and follow no God. I also agree about the Rykard comment, at least Mohg doesn't sacrifice his own people to satiate some monstrous entity who may not be their lord anymore and merely wears there face. As it seems Rykard wants to solely kill the Gods, not him AND his faction only him.
"No problem Ainsbach. Lord Mohg used the powers of an outer god so me and my shade used the powers of the Primeval Current to show him true peace. It was 10 seconds tops."
I personally believe that Mohg and his order were much more benevolent and kinder than what it is now, since Ansbach is such a level headed guy and doesn't seek a fight, must mean Mohg was different as he wouldn't want someone like him around if he enjoyed killing for the sake of it. Vice versa with Ansback as he wouldn't want to join Mohg if he was a tyrant.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming I was kinda thinking the same thing, maybe Mohg was something of a rebel leader against the erdtree for the tarnished and not so much a tyrant
@@mattsherman4964 I think that would be the perfect description of Mohg before he was charmed, fighting against the Erdtree so everyone could be accepted. They might all have been bound to the Formless mother and it being an age of Blood, but he wanted everyone to be free before Miq got to him.
It's a nice change of pace of meeting a really nice guy who is actually helpful during your journey, and is still honourable and respectful even if you find yourselves on opposite sides.
Him “blaming the enchantment more than anything” makes me believe that, if Mohg wasn’t under Miquella’s influence, he would have either been a whole lot stronger or far less violent towards us.
As I and several people have been discussing, being the "Lord of Blood" doesn't necessarily make Mohg or anyone associated with him evil, as it could have had an entirely different meaning before we enter the picture or being a bloody finger didn't mean killing other tarnished it could have simply meant being part of the "Blood Family". We might never know if Ansback is an exception or there was more to Mohg before maybe Miq got involved with him.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming So I’ve heard, if so, could the white masks be the followers of Mohg after he’s been enchanted and maybe Ansbach left before all this went down. ‘Cause since Freya dresses like Radahn as his follower, I wonder if the old follower of Mohg dressed like Ansbach Edit: Wait I remember that Ansbach said that he once challenged Miquella for the enchanting of Mohg, so he was there after he’s been brain washed.
@@thomasway0320 Yeah I've seen that dialogue but wasn't able to capture it myself with this playthrough however, I am gonna try and capture it with a new character. The fact Ansbach knew Miq had charmed Mohg and went off to kill him to free his lord must mean, that there was a noticeable change from what Mogh was then and what he became when we killed him, so you could be right that the old followers of Mohg dressed like Ansbach but after Mohg had been charmed by Miq, the new followers became the blood thirsty Monsters like Varre.
"Honourable duel" is wild, considering most people most likely used a mixture of the mimic tear , the omen rock along with the curelian tear that makes you immune to blood loss
Well, isn't loretta came to Haligtree to seek the heaven for Albinauric. It is so funny that she was the only one Albinauric we found there😂😂😂😂. However, just remember what Leda once said 'They were no saints, they just happened to be on the losing side of war.'
It could be a difference of opinions within the Albunaurics, some wanted to go to the Haligtree like Loretta and others wanted to go to Mohg, and it seems a lot chose Mohg.
If Miquella charmed Mohg, maybe he also compelled the Albinaurics to leave the Haligtree and join him in the Mohgwyn Palace to give him power through the blood ritual.
- Is hella chill and well-mannered upon meeting you - Righteous Tarnished - Finds out the femboy has a dom personality and orchestrated the end of his master, is terrified but pissed. - Righteous Tarnished you have my gratitude. - Helps you fight the blonde yandere. - Righteous Tarnished that was an astounding battle. - Finds out you killed his master but says it’s chill. - Helps you defeat the femboy whilst it gets piggy back ride from its half brother who is also its consort. - Righteous Tarnished. Become our new lord. A lord not for gods, but for men. Conclusion: Ansbach is the goat.
So did I, I thought here we go again another ally turning on me, but it was a nice change of pace to have someone not want to immediately kill you for it, and understood why it wasn't in our control.
Man Mohg must of been an ultra gigachad himself (before Miquella got his hands on him that is) to inspire such undying loyalty from a guy like Ansbach. Also love how in only a month Ansbach has gone up there with Blaidd and Solair as one of the most beloved npc's in fromsoft history he deserves it.
Totally agree, I really want to find out how all these Demi-Gods were like before the shattering, especially Mohg since the implication is that he has had a massive personality change. I also think Igon and The Onion knight should be with them as well since they're fun characters in their own way.
This and his dead quote from the fight '' ... become a lord not for gods but for men'' I will do sir I will not give up on you ! best NPC in the DLC maybe in all the game
The virgin Leda: Plots to kill allies who have done nothing out of paranoia The Chad Ansback: Knows you killed his lord, but understands and is chill about it.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming "general radahn, a pleasure to see you" is great when you summon him to fight the promised consort but "CURSE YOU, BAYLLEE!!" is just too good
It was certainly a breath of fresh air that he realises, us killing Mohg wasn't under our control and doesn't immediately try to kill us for it. He understood the situation we were in.
"Sir Ansbach, you know of my respect for thee, so I must confess a grave sin on my part. Twas I who slayed thine master, Luminary Mohg." Ansbach: "Nah it's fine, bro, I get it. Shit happens."
I think the reason Ansbach is so likable is that he is driven by duty, not vengeance. He bears no ill will towards you: you killed Mohg for his Great Rune in your quest for Elden Lord, your conflict against Mohg ended when Mohg died. He blames himself for not stopping you. However, he is willing to face Miquella since Miquella continues to stain Mohg’s legacy by parading his body around as his consort, after already manipulating him to enter to the Land of Shadow. How ironic that Miquella wished for a true death for Godwyn, his half-brother, when he’s essentially leaving Mohg to the same fate, a death only in soul. Man these Omen demigods really get the short end of the stick.
Thiollier is actually pretty good against Consort Radahn, if the player provides ample distraction. He can afflict deadly poison on him, in both phases. That adds up to big numbers over time, and ends up being pretty darn worth it. Alas, he's a little bugged, and sometimes takes a long time to enter the arena. On the topic of status effects, I wish Radahn/Miquella were vulnerable to sleep, as if some sort of vengeance or desperation from St. Trina. Might've been poetic. On the topic of vulnerabilities, it feels like a travesty that Mohg's shackle doesn't work on Radahn's stolen body.
@@khajiitimanus7432 That's interesting, since I played on NG+3 a lot of the status build up to a long time to proc and I think the rare times Thio poison did affect Radahn it made no difference due to his health pool and us being near death, and I certainly experienced that bug with him being stuff, I don't know if it is a blessing or curse that he takes his time to enter the arena. I think Radahn being vulnerable to sleep would be perfect as you say it would have been poetic, since she wants Miq to die to essentially save him. Having her being able to affect him still would have been great. I also agree with the shackle point, just because it's Radahn soul shouldn't make the item useless. It is still Mohg body, and would make it have an additional use instead of the two times you can use it in the base game.
Its just my theory but varre too might have been charmed or instructed by the charmed mogh, he might have been instructed by miquella or mogh to recruit others as pureblood knight so that others could find the well hidden mogh, not only that but varre and mogh might have been asked to do the stuff he did in order to paint mogh in a bad light as to give us a reason to kill mogh since miquella needed him dead than alive
Keep in mind the formless mother is a blood crazed outer god but she's also known as the mother of truth. She doesnt lie to her followers and she wants to be seen as mother above everything. Think about Mogh for a minute. His own mother abandoned him for being born an Omen so he found another mother. One who wanted whats best for him and her children. Mogh even went as far as trying to be like miquella by inviting those the erd tree spurned into the new dynasty like the albinaurics
I agree with most of your points regarding Mohg and the formless mother, but I don't think she's a blood crazed Outer God. Yes her thing involves blood and has a strong association with wounds but it doesn't mean she want's to murder the world, she might want wounds as that is the only way for her to connect to people. The wound could also be a small cut.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming oh no I say she's "blood crazed" since alot of people tend to hold that against her but truthfully I believe it's not in the way most would assume. She craves wounds sure and her followers often willingly sacrifice their own blood to her but the only ones to my knowledge that spill other people's blood in her name are the surgeons. Keep in mind there's reason to believe the surgeons only came into the picture after Miquella arrived so it's possible Mogh only allowed them in while bewitched. It's makes sense if you think about it. Mogh is pouring his cursed blood into Miquella's body to violate his empyrean flesh but perhaps he needs a transfusion of blood to stay alive himself. Desperate to stay alive but also keep supplying Miquella he might have allowed non voluntary blood donations of some kind. Seeing his master in this deplorable state would have been more than enough for Ansbach to step up and do something to stop the madness. He's a pure blood knight after all and knights typically have some code of honor or righteousness about them so this behavior and treatment of his master was enough for him to challenge Miquella. The rest is history. He's bewitched all the same then finds himself in the shadow lands
@@raptodino1998 I completely agree with all your points as I had the exact same thoughts on everything that has happened with Mogh. I totally believe he was a different person before Miq was introduced, as you pointed out knights have a code of Honor/righteousness that they follow and with Ansbach being such a cool and level headed guy during and after his enchantment, makes me think that Varre and the surgeons were either accepted out of desperation or to convince us the Tarnished to kill Mogh since they clearly enjoy blood letting. Whereas a Pure Blood ironically doesn't.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming I suspect he'd realize something was up when the order started becoming barbaric. I wonder where the Formless Mother fits in. Maybe it was a neutral influence at first but once Mogh got charmed it began to get more depraved. Not really sure.
@@Blopusanian Makes sense, I think part of Mogh's lore is that he "found" the formless mother under the Capital, so I think the mother was always part of his order but was originally and still is a neutral entity but the use of her blood has changed dramatically.
@@kevo300 Whilst true, and there is an argument Ansbach died a better death. Their end fate is still death and not seeing the world after they've achieved their goals.
I wish I could have beaten the final boss with both this guy and thollier, but I'm a caster build, that boss did NOT need more than what they already had. I barely squeaked out a win.
@@DrGrimReaperGamingyeah even as a caster build… you really can’t cast in that fight xd. The best option available is literally carian parry until he’s down for a riposte as a caster if your not straight one shotting the boss doh.
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original idea I came up with, that in development Radahn was meant to be actually Godwyn.
Reasons why:
1. Deathroot in dlc, in bosses, and the tree looks like the erdtree ringed with deathblight, sin/death choking the golden order.
2. we enter the mind of a dead god, miquella, and he is become one in the land of shadows/death with his lord brother, the one he actually idolised, and has called Godwyn his lord brother before.
3. Constant Godwyn references in dlc, with the +3 talismans being used by Godwyns knights.
4. gives lore and answer to the biggest remaining mystery of the game, the fate and existance of Godwyn as prince of death.
@@misterwhalrus7334 That's interesting and I can totally see that being the case but I wonder why then they chose to replace him with Radahn if this is true.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming Personally I think it might have been either time constraints, making new movesets and characters is very time-consuming.
Or the studio/Miyazaki had a big Radahn-boner for some reason.
@@misterwhalrus7334 I think its a bit from both columns.
he is such a homie for that
If I was him I don't think I could be this reasonable, he is a homie and is such a shame that his quest ends the way it does but I guess he would find it a good way to end.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming it suck’s that there’s no last minute speech from them before we loot their body
I literally fell in love with Ansbach
@@DrGrimReaperGaming Well it seems from how Ansbach carries himself the Dynasty in the past before Miquella was a properly knightly noble group. When the lord / commander of such a group is defeated in battle so long as there was nothing to soil the outcome it is a matter of honor and principle that that very lord instilled to respect the outcome. Heck since the Mogh we fight is so far gone in Miquella's charm ending him is something of a mercy especially would be to an old knight like Ansbach who has likely watched the Dynasty devolve from blood knights down into bloodthirsty marauding murderers.
@@SolusLupi Couldn't agree more with you, I think this is an spot on comment about Ansbach and Mohg Order. As I've said to someone else, I don't think Ansbach as calm and collected and honourable as he is, would join Mohg if he was this Blood letting lunatic, there had to be something to draw Ansbach in, and I don't think Mohg would want someone like Ansbach if all Mohg wanted to do was shed blood. So, I fully believe that Mohg's Order was quite an Honourable group that would accept those that the Golden Order had abandoned, but then Miq corrupted it to what it is now, to convince the Tarnished to kill Mohg so that Miq could use his corpse for resurrecting Radahn.
This guy is like a cooler version of Gideon.
putting Gideon on the same sentence as Ansbach is an insult to this chad. Gideon is of the most pathetic sorts.
@@abyssalmoonlight6449 I used to hate Gideon, but then he helped me trick Seleuvis, who I hated even more, so we're cool now
Gideon believed no Tarnished would or should become a lord because he knew Tarnished were driven by Marika's will whom, in fact, made them "tarnished" in the first place.
Gideon is a based assshole.
He's a mature, honest and a more friendly version of Gideon.
He's also way more useful than Gideon since he helps you against Leda multiple times like a true homie, unlike Gideon who shows up later to steal youe Great Runes and kill you.
@@Vassal_Beastie gideon isn't after lordship at that point, he actually is defending Marika when we meet him, so that none can get to her.
For someone devoted to a god that demands you inflict horrible bleeding wounds on people, Ansbach is a pretty cool guy
I mean from the bits and pieces we learn from DLC, Mohg might of not always been this way and could have been influenced by Miq, and so becoming a bloody finger might have originally meant being connected to a family by the blood of a Demi-God, which was then corrupted into what it was now.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming "the formless mother desires a wound" or something to that effect. idk man mohg still seems weird especially with people like varre in his dynasty. knowing everything else about miquella I doubt he would try to TURN anyone into a blood obsessed murderous maniac, especially seeing how his charm works.
@@zacharyholland6715actually that formless mother quote is kind of weird, it seems she desires the wounds, I don't remember seeing anything saying she desires others to be wounded, also varrey could have easily been recruited post miquella. The last strange thing is how mogh needed people to bath miquella in blood, why would miquella charm him to do that?
@@azure4622because he needed power to breach Marika's veil and access the land of shadows.
@@zacharyholland6715 There’s degrees to which those with outer god powers follow the will of their patrons. Morgott uses bloodflame without any allegiance. Also, we kinda only see the negative sides to the worlds the outer gods would create. Just as there are good pests of rot who coexist and create new things, Mohg’s dynasty could have used blood in a different manner. I’m not sure that’s likely, but it’s possible
Yeah that "Honourable battle" was me abusing the shackle and the mimic tear.
😂😂What he doesn't know can't hurt him.
He felled to the comet azure
One-shot INT builds: "Uuuuuuh suuuure... _honorable."_
@@nobuffer101 (Us to Mohg) Parry this you filthy causal.
I mean he abused the power of an actual OUTER GOD, I think it’s still honorable to fight him at our best, in-universe anyways.
Sometimes you just need a badass old dude to call you “righteous tarnished” and that’s okay
😆Agreed.
Its heartwarming listen that in a decadent ruined world where all things try to kill you.
@@adrncheelo91 Indeed it is.
Mogh went from having Pureblood Knights with Ansbach as their captain pre-Miquella to having Varre and Bloody Fingers post-Miquella. Miquella is a monster.
Indeed.
Sounds like you're just making shit up
@@Rafael57YTsounds like YOU got your heart stolen 🙏 Seriously tho, I don’t know how this guy came to that conclusion
@@technofreakazoid3324 we know that Ansbach was a pureblood knight and considering his age and that he had a "fearsome reputation" its not hard to imagine he was the blood knight captain. we know he had his heart stolen and began to serve Miquella after Mogh got enchanted by him(Muquella) by the time we arrive in the land between it seems the blood knight all turned into bloody fingers and are lead by Varre. this is all canon except the fact that ansbach was captain but this guy has a lot of evidence to backup what he said so..
Dude got the best men under his command all he needed was igon and mogh was set with the best aide characters of elden ring
Bro really said:
"Vengeance is a fools game"
Bro is not arthur morgan 💀
@@trustee8503 He's cooler.
@@TheStraightestWhitestyeah get that ram ranch cowboy ouuta here! 😂
@@SHARK_TASTICshow some respect for the greatest videogame character in history
@@xLanzer John Marston was better and still they both gay cowboys 🤠
"He was felled in an honorable duel."
*Comet Azur Spam Confession Withheld*
Parry this you filthy casual.
It was honorable. he got to be free and see pretty colors at the same time. 😅
Still better than desecrating his corpse after someone else beat him
@@zacharyhawley1693 😂
'Blame the Enchancement'
So legitimately confirmed Uncld Mogh got charmed
Confirmed in heaps of spots
By Lucifer himself…
We literally see Miquella's Enchantment in action if we get grabbed twice
He was the one getting Mohglested
He also mentions it earlier, and after Mohg was charmed, Sir Ansbach attempted to fight Miquella, but was charmed as well. It seems he is actually extremely terrified of Miquella after the charm wore off, but he still fights.
Most level headed man in the entire dlc
Yeah I did not see that coming.
Maybe in fromsoft's history
@@orlevari591Certainly the entire game. Gideon "The All Knowing" could learn a thing or 5.
@@cameronmckillop6448 The fight against those united in common cause really felt like a *successful* version of what they were going for with Gideon. Gideon's fight lacked emotion but this NPC fight worked really well on that front.
And Leda is the most mindless simp
Ansbach is my fave character of the DLC, he is like the second MC of this story. Makes you really wonder what the Moghwyn Dynasty was like before Miquella corrupted their purpose, if someone as awesome as this guy was part of it.
To be honest, Morgott was pretty righteous and fair, so i wouldnt be surprised if mohg was like that in his own right. The omen children may have been the ones who truly understood what it was like to be empathetic since they were shunned away. I do wonder if Varre was part of mohgs general dynasty or the one that came with miquella. He talks about how weird the two fingers are, but alludes to love and waiting for the right time, which makes me think he knew about the age of compassion.
I remember seeing something about the Formless Mother (the God Mohg worshipped) giving power to the downtrodden. If so, that's pretty based imo, and even though blood might seem scary it could be that Mohg actually had cool ideas before Miquella's enchantment
they were always PvPers who liked shedding blood. Ansbach is the kind of guy who bows before every duel, while Varre likes to do Level 1 runs and invade newbies all the time
Wow dude so cool dude@@XcessiveNinja17
Yeah his my favourite as well, it was nice seeing somebody from a group that at the time we thought were insane murderers who killed for the sake of it, but then we meet Ansbach who is a well spoken and gentlemanly character and it makes you think if there was another side to the Mohg Dynasty that we didn't see before Miq potentially distorted, and that are there others who joined Mohg not because he let them indulge in their blood lust but genuinely thought he was honourable enough to serve.
It’s weird to think that Mohg might just have been a completely different person when we met him, thanks to Miquella.
It's something we may never find out or have to wait until the sequel.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming Yeah. If/when we do get an ER2, I wonder if Miyazaki will be able to perfect it the way he wants.
@@TrippyTimesTwo I believe Elden Ring is meant to be the culmination of all their previous works, so if/when they do a sequel I imagine it will be the perfection Miyazaki foresaw.
@@DrGrimReaperGamingWe would have sekiro/bloodborne gameplay with ER exploration. What a time to be alive.
@@binhvan4893 What a time to be alive indeed, I am already getting restless for the release. 😅😂
My favorite Fromsoft NPC across all games:
Aesthetics: S
Voice Acting: S
Dialogue: S
Lore: S
“The first ever quadruple S NPC!”
Agreed, he is brilliant.
Solaire
@@infinityhand6569 Praise The Sun.
Maiden in Black if you played all of them, she's the inspiration for many reused assets
@@nirokal That's cool, I always did think she was the best "shrine Maiden" out of them all.
Ansback and Igon, homies of the Erdtree
Bro's that will have always have your backs.
hey thiollier is also a homie
@@lebron73 Ehhhhh, he was never useful for me during battle, and tried killing me just because St Trina preferred speaking with me. neither Igon or Ansbach tried killing me because they were jealous.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming my depressed nyquil addicted femboy did nothing wrong 🥺
@@lebron73 😂😂Fair enough, it could certainly be that I simply don't see and appreciate Thio's worth, I should definitely do another playthrough at no NG level, and take my time to enjoy the DLC so that I can see what I missed about him.
Never thought I’d die fighting side by side with a Mohg follower.
😂How about fighting side by side with a friend?
@@DrGrimReaperGaming Aye, I could do that
“but In truth, I cannot calm my quivering. Challenging a god is no small matter”
It is the humble old man Ansbach who faces a god with you.
Even when he id terrified and want to leave all this behind him, he chooses not to as in his mind, it is the right thing to do and that Miq should not go unpunished.
"General Radahn, a pleasure to see you." 🗿🗿
If Anshback is a reflection of what Moghwyn Dynasty was then damn me. Mogh had a very much sane and wise people on his side. Anshback have absolutely no reason to serve Mogh if he was as insane as we thought he was. Not nearly enough.
Anshback is completely chill, cold headed, follows reason and stand proudly for who he is: Pureblood knight. And calls us "Righteous". Not strong, or powerful or fellow Tarnished.
But Righteous Tarnished.
That's a lot considering the world we're in.
Very very true.
also consider this: he didnt try to off his comrades like Leda did.
When he is felled in battle. He urges the Tarnished to rise up, win and become a Lord, a Lord of Men, for its only right for Men to rule Men, not God. When he was still a faithful knight under Mohg, he even challenged Miquella to put a stop to Miquella's charm. Man is literally a gigachad.
@@binhvan4893 In a world filled with backstabbers and people wanting to eat our livers, he truly is a cut above the rest and should be respected by all.
@@lycoris8425 That is very true, he might not of agreed with the others world view but he didn't want them immediately dead, whereas Leda was very much, "If your not with me, your against me" very Anakin like.
Ansbach is a real one, he knows at the start that we (the tarnished) killed Mogh but doesn't blame us and respects us since we were a third party that had nothing to do with anything of this and killed Mogh in a honorable duel for each-others lordship goals, but he blames Miquella bc he toyed and manipulated Mogh and profaned his corpse, which is really fcked up and untolerable for everyone that someone does that to their friend
One of the rare few characters that are up front about their intentions, so got a lot of respect for him.
This dude alone recovered all of the comunity faith on Mogh and hate to Miquela, now that is a damn service to his Lord.
😆Indeed it is.
Ansbach is such a gigachad goddamn, love his character.
Agreed.
If it wasn't for the sheer overwhelming gigachad energy of Igon, Ansbach would easily be my favourie dlc character, mostly due to the fact that even before we get to the final boss he gives us a unique perspective on Miquella, accompanied by a banger line.
"Pure, and radient, he wields love to shrive clean the hearts of man."
"There is nothing more terrifying."
They're tied in first place for me, they both so cool.
The DLC arguably has one of the best NPCs in any FormSoft game. Igon’s rage screaming was a buff for me.
@@Saicofake Couldn't agree more.
I couldn't believe its a Knight of Mohg's House who is one of the most chill and kindhearted soul in the entire game so far.
I get the feeling that Mohg wasn't as Evil and Blood/Mutilation obssessed when he was still a normal Demigod and was an actual good leader and icon to have someone like Ansbach to go this far for him.
That's my exact same thinking.
"I blame the enchantment more than anything" was he talking about Miquella enchanting Mohg?
yeah
Yes
Indeed.
Yeah it turns out Mohg is not Dr. Disrespect and is not a pedo. Just been charmed by a great rune.
Yes. He knew Mohg wasn't himself.
Is it just me or is this the single best assortment of npcs we’ve gotten in any fromsoft game thus far?
I think the doll and Gehrman are tied with them, but I think as a group these beat the bloodborne NPC's.
Legit this is a great cast. Many different flavors of backgrounds, motivations, designs and a sense of actually knowing each other and having talked to each other before.
@@KrimmyKrim I hope fromsoft carries forward with having NPC's like this, it makes the world feel more alive and that it is still moving without our intervention.
I really liked the 'many different people coming to the scadutree' thing they got going, and the finale with the all out brawl
@@alfonshedstrom9859 Agreed.
This man is such a chad.
When you help Leda in killing him he is so level headed.
Doesn't curse you. Just says he is glad Leds has an ally.
My man I am so sorry for siding against you. I wanted to know if anything happens if you side with Leda both times.
Oh shit really! That makes me so happy and so goddamn sad. That even when we're helping defend someone who has defiled his lord, his so understandable and doesn't shame you for doing it as he happy, that us and Leda have each other. Ansbach truly is the chadest of all chads. Can he become Elden Lord, I think we would truly achieve peace with him.
We owe Mogh an apology.
At least for the Miquella thing. The bloodlust and invasions, meanwhile, we will continue to judge him for.
#justiceformohg
If we think about it, Mogh and Miquella are similar, their plans are the same and their objectives the same, but the difference is that Mogh knows what it is to live in misery and it also affects us and the fact that Radahn did not have the "proud death" he deserved, he was also used like Mogh. Furthermore, Mogh never forced anyone to follow him, unlike Miquella who has the power to cajole/fall in love/control others.
LORD MOHG DID NOTHING WRONG
@@axemiprozam6977miquella doesnt even need to use his power in order for me to love him 😂
The moment i learned Mogh gave shelter to the peoples ravenously persecuted by the golden order, i knew something was off when he was presented as this "maddened child moghlester", and it became even more aparent when i read the lore of the bewitching branch, tho, at the same time, i didn't become a full supported of Mogh, due to it being really unclear.
This tho, it changes everything i thought about Mogh, *Justice for the Omen twins*, like holy shit, please, leave the omens alone, the Hornsent already payed the price for their actions, these children are not even their decendeants, leave them alone.
Yeah apparently the sin's of the father affects an entire family forever.
Until extinction it seems.
given Mohg was described as a "Raving Lunatic" by his own robes. I don't think he was all too right in the head from the get go, but also nowhere was freakishly infatuated with Miquella...due to obvious reasons.s
@@sigmamaverick9215 Who writes the description though? If it is simply a description regarding the clothing and Mohg, then it is good evidence that Mohg wasn't all there mentally, but if there is an in universe explanation like the finger reader writing the descriptions then it makes sense she would be rather rude about Mohg.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming It really comes down to at what point Miquellas enchantment came in, for all we know he was mostly in the sewers guarding the entrance to the Three Fingers with a bit of help from Morgott before Miquella sneaked up, enchanted him and led him to go basically batshit crazy for blood, fire and little boys.
I like how there's subtle details showing that Mohg wasn't actually all that bad. If Ansbach is an example, then we can guess that the Pureblood Knights were actually a league of extraordinary gentlemen. We can also extract from certain hints and in-game descriptions that the Outer God "The Formless Mother" is actually a somewhat benevolent deity, as how Varre talks of love when inviting us to Mohg's Dynasty, how tender he was with Miquella compared to everyone else. Mohg was very loving to Miquella, moreso than any of the followers we face. Miquella's charm seems to still leave remnants or room for their personalities, like Ansbach's investigatory nature, Hornsent's hatred to the Erdtree, Freya's loyalty to the Redmane's, or Thiollier's devotion to Saint Trina. Meaning that if Miquella's charm truly was just a charm, then Mohg was very loving, tender, and generous to begin with. It was a beauty and the beast situation, where the beast was more loving than the beauty. Or perhaps a Shakespearean situation, where love is not looked at with the eyes for looks are deceiving. "Love looks not with the eyes, but with the mind; And therefore is wing'd Cupid painted blind. Nor hath love's mind of any judgment taste; Wings and no eyes figure unheedy haste: And therefore is love said to be a child, Because in choice he is so oft beguil'd."
There's also the subject of Ansbach's age. Why is this important? Well, it's obvious that he's served Lord Mohg for a long, long time. His age and experience as a Pureblood knight is telling, even Freya knows how much of a true and powerful warrior he was. ((The mf helps against Radahn and holds his own, inagine him in his fucking prime.)) This implies that he joined Mohg in an age where he was honorable, or even moreso: Tender, loving, like the Formless Mother who took Mohg under her bloody guidance. Mohg was evidently a devout follower of the Formless Mother through blood rituals, however it is likely that he followed her more in the sense of caring, loving, nurturing. It's why we find Albinaurics tainted with blood in the Mohgwyn Palace; They weren't misdirected, they were followers like Mohg. Unloved and lost finding a place to call home... They just happened to arrive at the wrong time - A time where Miquella controlled Mohg. It's evident that Varre, the Bloody Fingers, the Nobles and the Surgeons were arrivals AFTER the charm of Miquella... After the Pureblood Knights too were charmed, like Ansbach.
Then what's the end goal here?... Why charm Mohg and start this blood cult? I say it's to feed the egg a steady supply of blood to keep the Empyrean alive, sated, and as White Mask Varre has been doing: Recruit Tarnished to his side to charm, more followers. And perhaps as a way to kill Mohg to gain his body - Its likely that Miquella knew that Great Runes were necessary, and Mohg would be a perfect target. Any sensible or heroic tarnished like most of ours WOULD go after a villain known as "The Lord of Blood" who leads a blood cult of serial killers...
A final piece of evidence: We can find an illusionary version of Mohg in the Leyndell Sewers amongst the Omen brethren, far away from the Mohgwyn Dynasty. This is just like Morgott's abilities to create a mimic/copy of himself like the two we fight. Why would Mohg of all people be here?... Easy, because he cares for his people. Because Mohg feels for the oppressed Omens within Leyndell, perhaps even for his own Omen brother, Morgott. Because Mohg is loving, and even though he's under Miquella's charm - just like Leda and her followers - He still has glimpses of his original personality, which is a loving, caring omen serving the Formless Mother... Giving love to all the unloved.
TL;DR, Mohg didn't start the blood murder cult, Miquella did with his charm to lure in Tarnished and complete his ritual to the Shadow Lands.
Apologies for the late reply, just been busy and crafting my response.
I completely with your first point with regarding Mohg and his order being different.
If we use Ansbach as an example then Mohg must have been far less tyrannical
and murderous then what he is now, as he wouldn't want an individual that is as honourable
and level headed like Ansbach in his order, as he clearly has a code he abides by, as he
even wants to avenge his lords death/disrespect even against a God. So, Mohg wouldn't
create an order of Knights that followed a code if he just wanted to murder the world.
I've always thought the formless mother was a much more benevolent entity than what
people has said she is. As although her whole thing is about blood and wounds, there's
nothing to see she wants death and wounds on everyone. She might only want/need a small
wound to connect to people as Varre does to you, so you're connected to Mohg. I totally
believe Mohg's order was about love and wanted to have a community and potentially get rid
of the Golden order with the downtrodden and abandoned that the Golden order thought was
lesser.
I also absolutely agree with your comment about Miq's charm leaving people's personalities
somewhat intact, as you perfectly pointed out all the various aspects of each charachter,
and how they all keep them before and after the charm breaks. So, Mohg treating Miq with
such kindness MUST mean that is who he is as a person, and his order before Miq was one
of compassion and treated everyone as a loved family member like the formless mother wants,
which is why she might of connected to Mohg as she saw a kindred spirit.
I agree with your statement regarding Ansbach's age as he clearly has seen how Mohg was
before and after Miq, as he knew he was charmed and tried killing Miquella, and at
some point actually harmed Miq and severed an arm, as we learn From the Needle knight and Miq's lack of arm in the final fight. I also believe you're correct with the timing of the Albs, as
I believe Miq transfomred Mohg and his order into blood thristy monsters so that it was
easier to convince them to kill Mohg for is own purpose, and none of us would want to
kill him, if he was this truly loving charachter. So any new arrivals would be corrupted
to be monsters who live to kill, instead of people who found a home finally.
I believe as well that Mohg's copy in the sewers was also an attempt to protect the omens
down there, as he couldn't be there in person before or after his corruption, but
he could still do something.
You have made some valid and incredible thoughts on this, and I love how some
people are dedicated to theorising and discussing this game, as it is fun talking to one another about it.
"It was an honourable battle."
*Me thinking I should use Rivers of Blood with White Mask surely Ansbach would approve
I prefer ansbach over that fool who called us maidenless
Agreed.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming if ansbach was the one who greeted us at the beginning, i dont think we would mind being in service to mohg if he were not charmed
"Honorable duel"
I dunno man, i screamed at the sky for a bit,I made a golden vow before I set my metal balls on fire, I then drank an odd looking potion, shackled a mind broken demigod uncle and then wildly swung my flaming metal balls into his back side
Wild strikes, nightriders flail, and bloodflame blade if anyone was curious
😂I don't know that sounds pretty honourable to me.
Hey, how was I supposed to know he was innocent? Everything about him screamed child Mohlester to me.
@@akbersalim9096Miquella's ability to charm others has been stated in the base game, we just didn't expect Miquella would go this far and manipulate everyone to his own end.
@@akbersalim9096 To be fair, no one could suspect that Miquella would brainwash his malformed older half-brother into kidnapping to his seks dungeon. Who the hell does that to themselves??
Flaming metal balls of steel!
Ansbach is a real homie, him and Igon are the best characters
Agreed, I would say even in the whole game.
" He fell in honorable battle "
>Me looking at the physick flask specifically designed to block his bleed, Mohg's shackle specifically designed to stun him and Mimic Tear, specifically designed to fuck him up
" Totally bro. "
😂
Me holding moghs trident.... Uh no never heard of him
I first beat Elden Ring with a bleed build, so I’ll always be a Pureblood Knight at heart. It’s a shame we never got to see the Dynasty at its height when it had guys like Ansbach in it.
Totally agree.
Thanks for recording this. I love this character and he is definitely one of my favorite npcs of any from soft game.
No worries, I'm glad to have been some use to you. 😊👍
Oh yeah, that "honorable duel" where I jumped over some gravestones and walls, then keep attacking glitched out Mohg while he is not moving...
......oh, such good memories that "honorable battle" was.
😂What he doesn't know can't hurt him.
Ansbach was the only npc I had for the fight (outside of my spirit summon) since I missed Tholier’s quest. He really helped in both the npc fights and the final boss. What a guy.
He is indeed a legend.
I find that interesting that at the start he stands next to moore, a dude that i thought will be a new "Wholesome fromsoftware guy" like Alexander or Siegward, while Ansbach was just a normal npc for me. But in the end Moore endet up being a traitor (while braiking my heart) while this guy has become the collest dude in the dlc. He really is a true friend who can forgive, and help in difficult moment while risking his live, all to stay loyal to his lord and us.
So yea the first impression can be deceiving
Moore isn't a traitor, he has absolutely no reason to hold faith to the tarnished, who serves his lord, sets out to kill him and basically doesn't have a good track record of keeping friends alive.
I mean... Moore technically never betrayed ya. He just stayed loyal to Miquella.
And he always would've been loyal to Miquella, not necessarily because of the charm, but because Miquella is (sorta) his uncle.
He's implied to be a Kindred of Rot, which were born from Malenia's scarlet rot. And we certainly know how loyal Malenia is (or tries to be, not sure) to Miquella!
He's kinda depressed, actually, that Malenia (maybe unknowingly) abandoned the Kindred of Rot in Caelid. Which is what our answer affects - should he stay depressed, or put the abandonment behind him. Or we can just be uncertain, and he won't do anything, thus staying a merchant where we first meet him.
@@khajiitimanus7432 still he called me a friend and then tried to kill me. That's just Hartbreacking
@@кипокMoore was much more upset about it than you were
I like how he praises Thioller for his gumption despite his weak demeanor and holds nothing against Freyja for doing what she believes is right. This guy is awesome.
It is quite trippy to think this a guy who served Mogh and is still dedicated to him even after Mogh potential personality change and death. He is probably the best NPC's Fromsoft has ever done. If we weren't the main characters of this story, he would easily take our place. He holds no hate for any of his adversaries other than maybe Miq and gives respect to those who we think might not deserve it. He is an absolute legend.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming I fully expected him to end up like Yurt/Lautrec and start killing the others since he was associated with ostensibly the most evil-sounding faction but apparently Mohg and his crew aren't nearly as evil as Rykard's associates.
@@DeepestDankest Agreed, I was bracing myself for his inevitable betrayal but it never came and had my back throughout the journey and in death wants US to be a lord for everyone and follow no God. I also agree about the Rykard comment, at least Mohg doesn't sacrifice his own people to satiate some monstrous entity who may not be their lord anymore and merely wears there face. As it seems Rykard wants to solely kill the Gods, not him AND his faction only him.
"No problem Ainsbach.
Lord Mohg used the powers of an outer god so me and my shade used the powers of the Primeval Current to show him true peace.
It was 10 seconds tops."
😂😂
"I stand with blade aloft, blood afire. For the dignity of my lord Mohg." goes really hard
He is such a ridiculously cool character.
Don't worry sir Ansbach I made sure that comet Azur was painless
😂
This is why Ansback is the man, one I will never betray. Both him and Igon are my top dogs of this DLC. (Moore as well. He's too precious)
Agreed.
When he blame’s the enchantment it makes me wonder what Mohg and his followers were like before
I personally believe that Mohg and his order were much more benevolent and kinder than what it is now, since Ansbach is such a level headed guy and doesn't seek a fight, must mean Mohg was different as he wouldn't want someone like him around if he enjoyed killing for the sake of it. Vice versa with Ansback as he wouldn't want to join Mohg if he was a tyrant.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming I was kinda thinking the same thing, maybe Mohg was something of a rebel leader against the erdtree for the tarnished and not so much a tyrant
@@mattsherman4964 I think that would be the perfect description of Mohg before he was charmed, fighting against the Erdtree so everyone could be accepted. They might all have been bound to the Formless mother and it being an age of Blood, but he wanted everyone to be free before Miq got to him.
One would expect a servant of someone called "LORD OF BLOOD" would be unreasonably evil, but Lord Ansbach is nothing if not an ABSOLUTE GENTLEMAN.
Couldn't agree. He is Mohg's version of Alfred. Completely supports whatever his lord wants, but is always a Gentleman no matter the circumstance.
Gigachad Ansbach vs Virgin Gideon
Ansbach had actual skill and could back up his words, Gideon had to use knowledge that we worked hard to get.
every time he says righteous tarnished I imagine a righteous electric guitar riff rings out across the shadow lands
😂I can't unsee that now, and will always imagine it when he says the line.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming it's especially good when he says righteous tarnished we will have our victory. DEEDLEDEEDLEDEEDLEBWAAAAAANG
Then flame protect me then LET'S GO DUDES
@@cosmicbabies 😆This is going to stay with me forever, I might forget the name but I will always remember how this thread made me laugh.
@@cosmicbabies Somebody should make a Mod where Ansbach and you can kill Radahan and Miq with electric guitars.
Props for him for being one of the few characters in this game who doesn't instantly dismiss you for being a tarnished
It's a nice change of pace of meeting a really nice guy who is actually helpful during your journey, and is still honourable and respectful even if you find yourselves on opposite sides.
What a GOAT, he blames the enchantment placed on mohg by miquella
Indeed, so few characters are as reasonable as him.
"Sweats profusely in comet azur"
Yeah... that's was one hell of a duel huh? Hehe.
In all honesty we put the big red devil out of his misery.
That is very true.
Him “blaming the enchantment more than anything” makes me believe that, if Mohg wasn’t under Miquella’s influence, he would have either been a whole lot stronger or far less violent towards us.
I agree, I felt he was far kinder and reasonable than the stories/people in the world like to say he wasn't.
He is such a kind guy, for someone serving “The Lord of Blood”
As I and several people have been discussing, being the "Lord of Blood" doesn't necessarily make Mohg or anyone associated with him evil, as it could have had an entirely different meaning before we enter the picture or being a bloody finger didn't mean killing other tarnished it could have simply meant being part of the "Blood Family". We might never know if Ansback is an exception or there was more to Mohg before maybe Miq got involved with him.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming So I’ve heard, if so, could the white masks be the followers of Mohg after he’s been enchanted and maybe Ansbach left before all this went down.
‘Cause since Freya dresses like Radahn as his follower, I wonder if the old follower of Mohg dressed like Ansbach
Edit: Wait I remember that Ansbach said that he once challenged Miquella for the enchanting of Mohg, so he was there after he’s been brain washed.
@@thomasway0320 Yeah I've seen that dialogue but wasn't able to capture it myself with this playthrough however, I am gonna try and capture it with a new character. The fact Ansbach knew Miq had charmed Mohg and went off to kill him to free his lord must mean, that there was a noticeable change from what Mogh was then and what he became when we killed him, so you could be right that the old followers of Mohg dressed like Ansbach but after Mohg had been charmed by Miq, the new followers became the blood thirsty Monsters like Varre.
He's such a cool dude, but I wonder how horrifying it must've been to be invaded by someone capable of challenging a god
If we wasn't the main character he absolutely would be. The man challenged a God twice and almost won without the grace of gold.
To those who don't know, the Moghwyn, in Moghwyn Palace can be roughly translated to, friend of mogh. It seems he isnt anad guy pre enchantment
"Honourable duel" is wild, considering most people most likely used a mixture of the mimic tear , the omen rock along with the curelian tear that makes you immune to blood loss
Shhhhhh. Let the man live in this fantasy that his Master went out like a badass and not like an absolute chump.
May be mogh actually wanted to build a place for the once who are shunned by the golden order. Albunaurics are there after all.
Well, isn't loretta came to Haligtree to seek the heaven for Albinauric. It is so funny that she was the only one Albinauric we found there😂😂😂😂.
However, just remember what Leda once said 'They were no saints, they just happened to be on the losing side of war.'
It could be a difference of opinions within the Albunaurics, some wanted to go to the Haligtree like Loretta and others wanted to go to Mohg, and it seems a lot chose Mohg.
He took in albinaurics and tarnished too which is cool but the dude was still running a bloodletting cult.
If Miquella charmed Mohg, maybe he also compelled the Albinaurics to leave the Haligtree and join him in the Mohgwyn Palace to give him power through the blood ritual.
@@bers6014 Now that, is something I considered but does make a lot of sense.
- Is hella chill and well-mannered upon meeting you
- Righteous Tarnished
- Finds out the femboy has a dom personality and orchestrated the end of his master, is terrified but pissed.
- Righteous Tarnished you have my gratitude.
- Helps you fight the blonde yandere.
- Righteous Tarnished that was an astounding battle.
- Finds out you killed his master but says it’s chill.
- Helps you defeat the femboy whilst it gets piggy back ride from its half brother who is also its consort.
- Righteous Tarnished. Become our new lord. A lord not for gods, but for men.
Conclusion: Ansbach is the goat.
😂That's one way to describing the events of the DLC, and I can't say you're wrong.
I thought i was cooked for a moment when he suspected me for killing Mohg
So did I, I thought here we go again another ally turning on me, but it was a nice change of pace to have someone not want to immediately kill you for it, and understood why it wasn't in our control.
"rightous tarnished i swear-"
I made a big mistake….
I chose to follow Miquella and had to fight our boy Ansb.
I realized my mistake when I met St. Trina.
She told me was up.
That is indeed a shame that you had to experience that, but now you know who to support and kill, if you try and do a "perfect ending" of the DLC.
"Righteous Tarnished, become our new lord! A lord not for the gods, but for men!"
Absolute legend, even when devoted to a blood order who may or may not have gone insane due to Miq, he still wanted a better world for his people.
Justice for Luminary Mohg and General Radahn.
the "honorable duel" was me spamming rot breath hoping the scarlet rot would tick him down
He's cool with it because, at long last, Luminary Mohg has been cleared of the allegations.
😂
Man Mohg must of been an ultra gigachad himself (before Miquella got his hands on him that is) to inspire such undying loyalty from a guy like Ansbach.
Also love how in only a month Ansbach has gone up there with Blaidd and Solair as one of the most beloved npc's in fromsoft history he deserves it.
Totally agree, I really want to find out how all these Demi-Gods were like before the shattering, especially Mohg since the implication is that he has had a massive personality change. I also think Igon and The Onion knight should be with them as well since they're fun characters in their own way.
This and his dead quote from the fight '' ... become a lord not for gods but for men'' I will do sir I will not give up on you ! best NPC in the DLC maybe in all the game
Agreed. A legend who deserved a better end but will always live in our hearts.
The virgin Leda: Plots to kill allies who have done nothing out of paranoia
The Chad Ansback: Knows you killed his lord, but understands and is chill about it.
The Chad of all Chads
He reminds me of Sir Barristan Selmy from GOT.
I totally see that.
He's Ansbach because he's got your "bach"
😆 That’s a good point.
Sir Gideon: “He does exactly everything that I do.”
Sir Ansbach: “But better.”
😂 A truer statement has never been uttered.
Ansbach , more like Anschad
A truer statement has never been said. He is an absolute Legend.
"Honorable battle"
Comet azur goes brrrr
😂
If Gideon was a good guy
Agreed
Hes the biggest chad in the dlc after igon frfr
I think they're both tied for first place for me, as they've got their own individual stuff that make them great and hard to compare.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming "general radahn, a pleasure to see you" is great when you summon him to fight the promised consort but
"CURSE YOU, BAYLLEE!!" is just too good
Now i gotta face mogh straight up in future playthroughs. Cant let the homie down thinking it was an honourable duel
Agreed. We can't let this legend down.
“ his eminence was felled in an honorable duel….”
Me: yeaaaaaaaaahhhhh……. *flashes back to me one shotting Mohg with comet azur*
😂
I was suprised with how chill he was after confirming the truth.
It was certainly a breath of fresh air that he realises, us killing Mohg wasn't under our control and doesn't immediately try to kill us for it. He understood the situation we were in.
"Sir Ansbach, you know of my respect for thee, so I must confess a grave sin on my part. Twas I who slayed thine master, Luminary Mohg."
Ansbach: "Nah it's fine, bro, I get it. Shit happens."
😂He is such a legend for this, if only there were more like him.
I would die for this man.
💯He is a ride or die homie and so we should be the same.
Me too😢
half expected him to say "Do you really think any of those losers could've done it?"
because no, they couldn't
😆Very true.
Ansbach and boggart are the best npc’s in the entire game
I think Igon is in the S tier rank with them.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming yea Igon too
I think the reason Ansbach is so likable is that he is driven by duty, not vengeance. He bears no ill will towards you: you killed Mohg for his Great Rune in your quest for Elden Lord, your conflict against Mohg ended when Mohg died. He blames himself for not stopping you.
However, he is willing to face Miquella since Miquella continues to stain Mohg’s legacy by parading his body around as his consort, after already manipulating him to enter to the Land of Shadow. How ironic that Miquella wished for a true death for Godwyn, his half-brother, when he’s essentially leaving Mohg to the same fate, a death only in soul. Man these Omen demigods really get the short end of the stick.
You’ve made some excellent points and I agree with all of them.
The honorable battle was me falling under the map till he despawned😂
😂
This is why Ansbach is my favorite of the NPCs, he's just a chill dude
Agreed.
If Ansbach saw Thiollier against the Putrescent Knight I dont think he would have had those reservations about my boy
I mean I still had my doubts as Thiollier was useless for me against Putrescent Knight.
Thiollier is actually pretty good against Consort Radahn, if the player provides ample distraction.
He can afflict deadly poison on him, in both phases. That adds up to big numbers over time, and ends up being pretty darn worth it.
Alas, he's a little bugged, and sometimes takes a long time to enter the arena.
On the topic of status effects, I wish Radahn/Miquella were vulnerable to sleep, as if some sort of vengeance or desperation from St. Trina. Might've been poetic.
On the topic of vulnerabilities, it feels like a travesty that Mohg's shackle doesn't work on Radahn's stolen body.
@@khajiitimanus7432 That's interesting, since I played on NG+3 a lot of the status build up to a long time to proc and I think the rare times Thio poison did affect Radahn it made no difference due to his health pool and us being near death, and I certainly experienced that bug with him being stuff, I don't know if it is a blessing or curse that he takes his time to enter the arena.
I think Radahn being vulnerable to sleep would be perfect as you say it would have been poetic, since she wants Miq to die to essentially save him. Having her being able to affect him still would have been great.
I also agree with the shackle point, just because it's Radahn soul shouldn't make the item useless. It is still Mohg body, and would make it have an additional use instead of the two times you can use it in the base game.
Its just my theory but varre too might have been charmed or instructed by the charmed mogh, he might have been instructed by miquella or mogh to recruit others as pureblood knight so that others could find the well hidden mogh, not only that but varre and mogh might have been asked to do the stuff he did in order to paint mogh in a bad light as to give us a reason to kill mogh since miquella needed him dead than alive
This does make a lot of sense.
-"His Emminence was felled in an honourable duel"
-Me summoning a mf named "Let me comet him" 🗿
😂 "Parry this you filthy casual" BOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Ansbach is such a fuckin good character.
Indeed he is.
Keep in mind the formless mother is a blood crazed outer god but she's also known as the mother of truth. She doesnt lie to her followers and she wants to be seen as mother above everything. Think about Mogh for a minute. His own mother abandoned him for being born an Omen so he found another mother. One who wanted whats best for him and her children. Mogh even went as far as trying to be like miquella by inviting those the erd tree spurned into the new dynasty like the albinaurics
I agree with most of your points regarding Mohg and the formless mother, but I don't think she's a blood crazed Outer God. Yes her thing involves blood and has a strong association with wounds but it doesn't mean she want's to murder the world, she might want wounds as that is the only way for her to connect to people. The wound could also be a small cut.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming oh no I say she's "blood crazed" since alot of people tend to hold that against her but truthfully I believe it's not in the way most would assume. She craves wounds sure and her followers often willingly sacrifice their own blood to her but the only ones to my knowledge that spill other people's blood in her name are the surgeons. Keep in mind there's reason to believe the surgeons only came into the picture after Miquella arrived so it's possible Mogh only allowed them in while bewitched. It's makes sense if you think about it. Mogh is pouring his cursed blood into Miquella's body to violate his empyrean flesh but perhaps he needs a transfusion of blood to stay alive himself. Desperate to stay alive but also keep supplying Miquella he might have allowed non voluntary blood donations of some kind. Seeing his master in this deplorable state would have been more than enough for Ansbach to step up and do something to stop the madness. He's a pure blood knight after all and knights typically have some code of honor or righteousness about them so this behavior and treatment of his master was enough for him to challenge Miquella. The rest is history. He's bewitched all the same then finds himself in the shadow lands
@@raptodino1998 I completely agree with all your points as I had the exact same thoughts on everything that has happened with Mogh. I totally believe he was a different person before Miq was introduced, as you pointed out knights have a code of Honor/righteousness that they follow and with Ansbach being such a cool and level headed guy during and after his enchantment, makes me think that Varre and the surgeons were either accepted out of desperation or to convince us the Tarnished to kill Mogh since they clearly enjoy blood letting. Whereas a Pure Blood ironically doesn't.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming I suspect he'd realize something was up when the order started becoming barbaric. I wonder where the Formless Mother fits in. Maybe it was a neutral influence at first but once Mogh got charmed it began to get more depraved. Not really sure.
@@Blopusanian Makes sense, I think part of Mogh's lore is that he "found" the formless mother under the Capital, so I think the mother was always part of his order but was originally and still is a neutral entity but the use of her blood has changed dramatically.
Ansbach certainly can join my Elden Ring Poker Nights with Blaidd, Alexander, Igon, and Jerren.
That sounds like an epic night to witness.
Ansbach really filling the homie role void left by Blaidd.
They also unfortunately share the same fate.
@@DrGrimReaperGaming Ansbach died fulfilling his wish to Honour his master while Blaidd died going mad from not being able to be a shadow.
@@kevo300 Whilst true, and there is an argument Ansbach died a better death. Their end fate is still death and not seeing the world after they've achieved their goals.
I wish I could have beaten the final boss with both this guy and thollier, but I'm a caster build, that boss did NOT need more than what they already had. I barely squeaked out a win.
I'm a caster and they made the fight that much harder but I wanted to complete their questline the "right way" was it worth it? Not really.
@@DrGrimReaperGamingwhat happens with Ansbach if he survives the final fight?
@@DrGrimReaperGamingyeah even as a caster build… you really can’t cast in that fight xd. The best option available is literally carian parry until he’s down for a riposte as a caster if your not straight one shotting the boss doh.
@@nickchan4462 Yeah that is very true but I did it on NG+3 and I don't think I have the skill nor health to survive attempting a carian parry. 😅
"Honorable duel"
I- i just bit him (Dragonmaw)
"He was fell in honorable duel"
*Gillian cut to me obliverating Mohg in seconds with a ground-based orbital laser
"...Yeah, totally dignified"
😂
WE WILL HARPOON THE ENEMY AND BRING US THE SWEET TASTE OF VICTORY
With every last drop of my being!
"Honourable battle" Ah yes, me and my Black Bow just running around shooting him until he died. Yes, yes, honourable.
😂