Got lucky today and found all 100 year old tools. Cherry wooden handled tools saved from the landfill. Cast iron 12g and 10g tool to seat primers. Waiting on components to arrive so I can start loading. I ordered 11g shot cards nitro cards and 11g fiber wads . I hope that'll all work
I have a year 1900 Iver Johnson single shot 12 gauge shotgun that I I'm going to start using black powder in. If you watch some of Dave Canterbury reloading sequences on his 12-gauge out in the field it's really very simple it's basically what you're doing in the house but he's doing it outside on a stump. You should check him out it's pretty interesting and some good teachings. Anyway have a great day and stay safe and keep your powder dry!
Thanks Terry. I’ll check him out. I used to watch lots of his videos but haven’t seen any of his stuff in a while. Thanks for the suggestion and thanks for watching.
Using a 15/64 drill bit you can enlarge that LPP hole to insert a 209 shotgun primer. To make a it a cleaner fit, you can gently chamfer the holes. 209 are cheaper, more common, and in less demand especially in pandemic/fearful times
When I'm at the local gun ranges I pickup the used 12ga. shot cups without the attached pistons. Then when I reload for black powder shells I stuff one in on top of the powder card and fiber cushion. I think it helps keep the shot cluster together a little better.
@@kypparmstrong2775 I have used plastic hulls and wads before with black powder and found melted plastic in my barrel. Maybe it depends on the hulls or charges or both.
Kool video. I have an aluminum anvil that weighs about a pound that I seat my primers with. And I also have an antique primer seater that works great I just put a card over the primer and press the primer in. The card is so no dents in the primer.
Hi, Great vid. Very clear explanation and good camera angle. You show a safe process using ordinary tools dedicated to brass shell. No need to invest in expensive équipement. I have three questions : - I suppose the fiber wad is also 11 gauge like the over shot card? - What about the thickness of both fiber wads and over shot cards? - Do you need to resize the shells after having fired them. I assume not… Thx again and keep going with this good job. Very helpful 👍👍
Actually I may have misspoke. The fiber wads are 11 gauge and the overshot cards are 10 gauge. The overpowder/shot wads are .125 thick and the fiber wads are 1/2 inch thick. I’ll put the links in the description when I get home this evening.
I think if you clean them well, dozens of times. The only problem I've had is the primer pocket gets loose. I just put a little nail polish around loose primers to hold them in
Well done video. A lot of guys recommend using half a cushion wad and you used two full ones. And they did not appear lubed. It just goes to show you how much variance there can be.
Thank you. The amount of wadding would change depending on shot amount. I have tried lubed and feel in a shotgun it just didn’t make a big difference. If shooting a bunch maybe but for 10 or 20 rounds at a time it sure didn’t.
Thank you for your reply. There are so many variables. I found, for my powder and shot amounts, a half a cushion wad reduced the "donut" patterns I was getting. But it would certainly be nice to utilize the whole 2-1/2" shell. Plus it would be easier to glue the overshot card. Maybe I'll load some today with two dry cushion wads to try out.@@JWheeler331
Amazing. I would have laid odds that the double cushion wads would have pushed a hole through my pattern (#4 buck), but they didn't. I got a nice pattern with both shots. And I loaded one up the "normal" way, one split cushion wad on either side of the shot, and it patterned the same as if the wads were lubed (which of course makes them heavier). Cleanup seemed the same. About 5-6 patches and hot soapy water. Heck. I'm going to use dry cushion wads from now on and simply swab the barrel if I'm shooting a lot. @@JWheeler331
Thanks for this video. I've watched Dave Canterbury a couple of times and bought an old single shot 12 ga. Finally got a great deal (black Friday at Midway USA) on the MagTech hulls. Also found some antique tools on e-bay and ordered. I was wondering if you've tried working over a coffee filter. Seems like it would be a little easier. Plus it would be clean enough to reuse any spillage. Thanks again for sharing!!!
I think he means to catch stray powder or shot that spills - Must not have worked on a piece of flat granite before and know how easy that is to police when your done. @@JWheeler331
Cowboy up! Nice instructional vid brother, you are likely the awesome shop-teacher all the hip kids want to be around in order to actually learn!! Sure seems, it’d be cool! [Oh-Ahhh dang!! They got rid of shop-class: reasons of indoctrination,!and not perform any good / real learning methods is what I was told]. The first thing is teach at home and learn how to do this if I’m ever gonna have a bunker full of 1887 Shotty rounds for share and all😁
Random question are brass shotgun shells only for black powder shotguns or can they be used for regular pump action shotguns oh one more question if these shells can be used in pump actions can regular smokeless powders???
@@alucard3399 They can be used in pumps. I use them in my 97 sometimes. In pumps it’s best to put a slight crimp like the originals. In the lever action shotguns you can get away with no crimp a little more although sometimes they will catch when moving into the chamber. I don’t crimp mainly to make my brass last longer.
I shoot them in the same shotgun so haven’t had to resize them. You may have to possibly resize if shooting them in multiple firearms with size differences.
They say BP, after a few shots the barrel gets hot and the plastic starts to melt. I don't think it's an issue. Easy to clean afterwards. Brass looks cooler though.
@usnchief1339 brass does look cool 😎 I just want a way to load 2 BP blank rounds to shoot through Grandpa's 1880's Remington Damascus side by side for a video. The lock-up is kinda loose, so nothing with recoil.
@@chrislang5659 You should be fine with plastic hulls with BP and a rolled crimp. Make sure to check the chamber length. Then a good cleanup since BP is corrosive.
Thank you. 11 gauge works best in the brass shells. I use 10g over powder cards at times and 11 gauge cushion wads. I didn’t know MagTech makes 2.4. Pretty sure they are 2.5” but if they do make a 2.4 it will work if you have an antique 87.
@@JWheeler331 yes, I have an early model 1887 #2749 and it is gorgeous. I don't want to damage it in any way. I can't speak to the previous owner for he has passed. Steel shot .180 is ok? I am in California so I can't really get anything but ffg and that may not last if these commies have their way!
I have not had to resize these because I shoot them out of the same firearm each time which is my 1887 Winchester Shotgun. If I was putting them in other chambers I may have to resize them.
Lots! I don’t know the exact number. I use these in only one gun and have yet to resize them. I have shot hundreds of times. Now, if you use them in multiple guns you may have to resize due to the different chamber sizes.
I am going to load some #4 buckshot, So I want 70 GRAINS (weight) of 2fg BLACK, and 70 grains of #4 buckshot??? Or would I be better off, weighing 27 pellets, (I THINK thats the normal number) then MATCH that weight with 2fg powder? I am VERY experienced with rifle/pistol reloading, shotgun IS NEW to me. THANKS!
I’m kind of in the same boat as you. I have reloaded rifle and pistol for years but just picked up shotgun reloading when I got my 87 and haven’t loaded any buckshot for it as I also picked up a 1901 which handles the hotter loads. I would just look up period black powder buckshot loadings and use something similar. I would also refer you to @shotgunscientists channel as they deal with many different loadings.
@JWheeler331 I did ALOT of digging. 100 grains 2f black 1 1/4 ounce of shot. = working load. 3f burns 10% hotter than 2f. I. My case 1.25 ounce = 27 pellets #4 buckshot. -- I use hot glue to seal it. My a5 will cycle the load well too. (It needed cleaned anyhow).
Only adding to help with learning about how to do this wonder Jim… type (name brand unfortunately) amount is down (is good could be bit more exact but it’s powder I understand so it fine as peeps coming to find out how must know how kinda?) sorry lost myself man, was in MVA 12/20/19 died and had to come back with limited brain function thankfully I was a genius and had plans to take us to antigravity A’s gravity is theory and graviton made up to idk what that hokey is about… My fault I was not able to auto edit see.
Man you are living dangerously I have been seating primers like that before and had them go off luckily there was no no powder or shot just primer if you ever set one off tapping on it with shot and powder good bye hand
Got lucky today and found all 100 year old tools. Cherry wooden handled tools saved from the landfill. Cast iron 12g and 10g tool to seat primers. Waiting on components to arrive so I can start loading. I ordered 11g shot cards nitro cards and 11g fiber wads . I hope that'll all work
That’s awesome. It’s always great when you can get original tools. Congrats on the good find.
I have a year 1900 Iver Johnson single shot 12 gauge shotgun that I I'm going to start using black powder in. If you watch some of Dave Canterbury reloading sequences on his 12-gauge out in the field it's really very simple it's basically what you're doing in the house but he's doing it outside on a stump. You should check him out it's pretty interesting and some good teachings. Anyway have a great day and stay safe and keep your powder dry!
Thanks Terry. I’ll check him out. I used to watch lots of his videos but haven’t seen any of his stuff in a while. Thanks for the suggestion and thanks for watching.
Thanks for the advice and a backup - that’s how this works eh✌🏼
Also with my wood dowel I drilled a hole 🕳️ in one end so it could go over the primer pocket because it is raised up in the shell for the primer.
Using a 15/64 drill bit you can enlarge that LPP hole to insert a 209 shotgun primer. To make a it a cleaner fit, you can gently chamfer the holes.
209 are cheaper, more common, and in less demand especially in pandemic/fearful times
I did that to a few of them actually.
Some folks convert the brass to 209 after many firings and the primer pocket gets loose.
When I'm at the local gun ranges I pickup the used 12ga. shot cups without the attached pistons. Then when I reload for black powder shells I stuff one in on top of the powder card and fiber cushion. I think it helps keep the shot cluster together a little better.
Yeah it can. Do you find it melts the plastic in the barrel any?
@@JWheeler331 No melted plastic. I have even used plastic hulls but they are only good for a loading or two.
@@kypparmstrong2775 I have used plastic hulls and wads before with black powder and found melted plastic in my barrel. Maybe it depends on the hulls or charges or both.
Nice work, excellent result!
Thank you.
Kool video.
I have an aluminum anvil that weighs about a pound that I seat my primers with. And I also have an antique primer seater that works great I just put a card over the primer and press the primer in. The card is so no dents in the primer.
That's kinda caveman! I love it! Nice sink cut out! I've got a few laying around I forgot about!
Definitely a very basic primitive way to do it but works great and is fun. The sink cutouts make good small work sections.
Very Good method -
Thanks for video!
Hi,
Great vid. Very clear explanation and good camera angle. You show a safe process using ordinary tools dedicated to brass shell. No need to invest in expensive équipement.
I have three questions :
- I suppose the fiber wad is also 11 gauge like the over shot card?
- What about the thickness of both fiber wads and over shot cards?
- Do you need to resize the shells after having fired them. I assume not…
Thx again and keep going with this good job. Very helpful 👍👍
Actually I may have misspoke. The fiber wads are 11 gauge and the overshot cards are 10 gauge. The overpowder/shot wads are .125 thick and the fiber wads are 1/2 inch thick. I’ll put the links in the description when I get home this evening.
Links are now in the video description.
Thx a lot. Very helpful.
@@oasis6444 No problem. Glad it helps.
Use melted beeswax instead of glue. The melted wax creates a layer that will instantly harden, and you let the excess go back into the pan.
Lots of different things can be used.
how many times can those brass case be reloaded ??
I think if you clean them well, dozens of times. The only problem I've had is the primer pocket gets loose. I just put a little nail polish around loose primers to hold them in
Well done video.
A lot of guys recommend using half a cushion wad and you used two full ones. And they did not appear lubed.
It just goes to show you how much variance there can be.
Thank you. The amount of wadding would change depending on shot amount. I have tried lubed and feel in a shotgun it just didn’t make a big difference. If shooting a bunch maybe but for 10 or 20 rounds at a time it sure didn’t.
Thank you for your reply. There are so many variables.
I found, for my powder and shot amounts, a half a cushion wad reduced the "donut" patterns I was getting. But it would certainly be nice to utilize the whole 2-1/2" shell. Plus it would be easier to glue the overshot card. Maybe I'll load some today with two dry cushion wads to try out.@@JWheeler331
@@pacanis Let me know how it works out for you.
Amazing. I would have laid odds that the double cushion wads would have pushed a hole through my pattern (#4 buck), but they didn't. I got a nice pattern with both shots. And I loaded one up the "normal" way, one split cushion wad on either side of the shot, and it patterned the same as if the wads were lubed (which of course makes them heavier). Cleanup seemed the same. About 5-6 patches and hot soapy water.
Heck. I'm going to use dry cushion wads from now on and simply swab the barrel if I'm shooting a lot. @@JWheeler331
That's really cool.
Thanks.
Very Interesting. Many Thanks For Sharing 🤟😎
My pleasure. Thanks for watching
Very good video !! 👍
Thanks for watching !!!
Thanks for this video. I've watched Dave Canterbury a couple of times and bought an old single shot 12 ga. Finally got a great deal (black Friday at Midway USA) on the MagTech hulls. Also found some antique tools on e-bay and ordered.
I was wondering if you've tried working over a coffee filter. Seems like it would be a little easier. Plus it would be clean enough to reuse any spillage.
Thanks again for sharing!!!
Thanks for watching. I haven’t used a coffee filter. How would one use a coffee filter ?
I think he means to catch stray powder or shot that spills - Must not have worked on a piece of flat granite before and know how easy that is to police when your done. @@JWheeler331
Cowboy up! Nice instructional vid brother, you are likely the awesome shop-teacher all the hip kids want to be around in order to actually learn!! Sure seems, it’d be cool! [Oh-Ahhh dang!! They got rid of shop-class: reasons of indoctrination,!and not perform any good / real learning methods is what I was told].
The first thing is teach at home and learn how to do this if I’m ever gonna have a bunker full of 1887 Shotty rounds for share and all😁
Random question are brass shotgun shells only for black powder shotguns or can they be used for regular pump action shotguns oh one more question if these shells can be used in pump actions can regular smokeless powders???
@@alucard3399 They can be used in pumps. I use them in my 97 sometimes. In pumps it’s best to put a slight crimp like the originals. In the lever action shotguns you can get away with no crimp a little more although sometimes they will catch when moving into the chamber. I don’t crimp mainly to make my brass last longer.
After firing, do the shells need to be resized? Great video...thanks!
I shoot them in the same shotgun so haven’t had to resize them. You may have to possibly resize if shooting them in multiple firearms with size differences.
Is there a reason to not empty a plastic hull and replace the powder with blackpowder?
They say BP, after a few shots the barrel gets hot and the plastic starts to melt. I don't think it's an issue. Easy to clean afterwards. Brass looks cooler though.
@usnchief1339 brass does look cool 😎 I just want a way to load 2 BP blank rounds to shoot through Grandpa's 1880's Remington Damascus side by side for a video. The lock-up is kinda loose, so nothing with recoil.
@@chrislang5659 You should be fine with plastic hulls with BP and a rolled crimp. Make sure to check the chamber length. Then a good cleanup since BP is corrosive.
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Can I use 2.4 magtech brass with my 1887? Also some people say 10 gauge or 11 gauge wads, which or both? Thanks, I really liked your video.
Thank you. 11 gauge works best in the brass shells. I use 10g over powder cards at times and 11 gauge cushion wads. I didn’t know MagTech makes 2.4. Pretty sure they are 2.5” but if they do make a 2.4 it will work if you have an antique 87.
@@JWheeler331 yes, I have an early model 1887 #2749 and it is gorgeous. I don't want to damage it in any way. I can't speak to the previous owner for he has passed. Steel shot .180 is ok? I am in California so I can't really get anything but ffg and that may not last if these commies have their way!
@@thedudeinstockton4248 Steel shot should really not be used in these. Lead or Bismuth should be used if possible. 2f will work just fine though.
Nice video. Do you have to re-size them after shooting?
I have not had to resize these because I shoot them out of the same firearm each time which is my 1887 Winchester Shotgun. If I was putting them in other chambers I may have to resize them.
@@JWheeler331 Thanks for your reply!
@@kokorico5416 No problem.
How many reloads can you get out of the brass without resizing
Lots! I don’t know the exact number. I use these in only one gun and have yet to resize them. I have shot hundreds of times. Now, if you use them in multiple guns you may have to resize due to the different chamber sizes.
Awesome thank I’ve been asking that question for years and nobody thinks it can be done without resizing
@@TheRyanDude No problem. I have shot hundreds through these with no resizing. All out of the same gun though and all black powder.
I am going to load some #4 buckshot, So I want 70 GRAINS (weight) of 2fg BLACK, and 70 grains of #4 buckshot??? Or would I be better off, weighing 27 pellets, (I THINK thats the normal number) then MATCH that weight with 2fg powder? I am VERY experienced with rifle/pistol reloading, shotgun IS NEW to me.
THANKS!
I’m kind of in the same boat as you. I have reloaded rifle and pistol for years but just picked up shotgun reloading when I got my 87 and haven’t loaded any buckshot for it as I also picked up a 1901 which handles the hotter loads.
I would just look up period black powder buckshot loadings and use something similar.
I would also refer you to @shotgunscientists channel as they deal with many different loadings.
@JWheeler331 I did ALOT of digging. 100 grains 2f black 1 1/4 ounce of shot. = working load. 3f burns 10% hotter than 2f. I. My case 1.25 ounce = 27 pellets #4 buckshot. -- I use hot glue to seal it. My a5 will cycle the load well too. (It needed cleaned anyhow).
@@jackdundon2261 Nice. Sounds like a decent load.
*70 GRAINS of 2fg would be a good load under your 27 #4 buckshot.*
Good video
Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it.
how much black powder for oc pepper do we have to use?
What is OC Pepper?
the pepper powder.oleoresin capsicum
A lot of help
Glad you enjoyed it and found it helpful. Thanks for watching.
@@JWheeler331 What brand and grade of black powder do you use?
@@thefeeforfreedom5509 I use whatever brand I can find but usually Goex 2fg for shotgun shells.
Only adding to help with learning about how to do this wonder Jim… type (name brand unfortunately) amount is down (is good could be bit more exact but it’s powder I understand so it fine as peeps coming to find out how must know how kinda?) sorry lost myself man, was in MVA 12/20/19 died and had to come back with limited brain function thankfully I was a genius and had plans to take us to antigravity A’s gravity is theory and graviton made up to idk what that hokey is about…
My fault I was not able to auto edit see.
Asking because I wanna get into reloading my own shotgun ammo
@@alucard3399 Understandable. If you’re using smokeless and in modern guns it’s honestly just better to load plastic hulls. It’s easy and cheaper.
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Bro I am inneed of 12 gauge shortshells in full brass.plese give me it's shells
These can be ordered. Do a google search and you should find some.
Man you are living dangerously I have been seating primers like that before and had them go off luckily there was no no powder or shot just primer if you ever set one off tapping on it with shot and powder good bye hand
I have loaded hundreds like that with no issues but do understand the concern. I have since moved to an antique hand priming tool for 12g.
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Bro, is that glue?😂
Yes it is.