9mm Full Metal Jacket Ballistic Gel Test. Viable Option For Self-Defense?
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2021
- Taking a look at 9mm FMJ as a self defense option. Can you use it if it's the only thing you can find or afford during this "ammo shortage?"
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A lot of videos are aimed at selling hp ammo they try to make you think a fmj won't stop anything
When I was in the Army in 1956, a .45 cal FMJ mil spec killed two men and lodged in a third. More recently, a truncated .9mm FMJ penetrated
deeper than a round nose bullet of the same weight in gelatin. I found by testing that the .45 is good for stopping cars by disabling their engines.
Retired now, I carry only .9mm HP, 115 grain, for safe self defense, should the need arise. Thank you for this latest test; that was good to know info.
There's no substitute for real world experience. Thanks for sharing and thanks for your service, sir.
This comment is testimony for anyone who doubts the power of the .45 caliber, even in FMJ.
Up into the mid 1970’s, if you carried a semi auto pistol for defense, you had one option- FMJ, so all gunfights and confrontation was settled with
Fmj , and in revolvers round nose lead, or semi wad cutter.
Super Vel was the company that started hollow point ammo for automatic pistols, and improved on the idea for revolvers.
Even during the 80's, the large majority of ammo was fmj, and nobody ever say it wasn't good for self defense. This over penetration is pure insanity.
FMJ beats a stick every day!
And twice on Sunday!👍
and harsh language LOL
@@blackticalmayhem8461 😂
And it's louder than a knife 🔪
Even a .22 beats a stick lol.
Been using 230gr FMJ Ball ammo in a 45ACP for decades. It works fine for self defense. Have also used 9mm 124Gr FMJ MagTech in a Sig in a previous self defense use, and it worked admirably., broke some ribs when it went in. So yeah, if all I have is FMJ I will use it with confidence.
It will definitely get the job done.👍
Yeah you must live in the south I live in Louisiana did they take tour gun?
Your?
@@jamiethompson3851 Y'all'n gun
@@berettaxd7566 yup
Cowboys didn't have hollow points.
Good video and shows how hollow points are safer to innocent bystanders. I find it strange that some states outlaw HP ammo when it is safer to use for self defense.
Definitely. The people making these gun laws don't know anything about guns and ammo. It's a shame.
You are a lot more likely to hit an innocent bystander with an errant shot than a pass through. I regularly see reports of people hit by stray bullets, but I don't think I've ever seen a report of someone getting hit by a pass through.
That's not * some states * , that is New Jersey , and only New Jersey .
@@filianablanxart8305 yeah NJ sucks
@@filianablanxart8305 NJ calls HPs cop killer rounds.
FMJ are plenty lethal. Add bone to the event and lots happens when the bullet hits it. I actually stagger my ammo. We learned that in the state police academy. The gel test is just that. A body has more components whether it’s human, hog, alligator, wolf, bear, etc.
People shouldn’t worry at all about using FMJ in their EDC.
THANKS FOR YOUR INTERESTING VIDEOS AND DEDICATION TO HELPING PEOPLE.
Thank you sir. Good info.😎👍
Paul Harrell talks of police and DAs looking at staggered ammo with a jaundiced eye in one of his videos. Just a thought.
the dangers of an fmj is more of a myth than anything. you hear people claiming the fmj will over penetrate and hurt or kill an innocent bystander all the time. while the possibility is there, i have yet to see a single documented case of it EVER actually happening. i have, however, seen cases where an innocent was hurt or killed simply because the shooter missed his intended target and hit someone else and that can happen no matter what the round is. the average 115 gr fmj can do everything the fanciest marketed hp can do and then some, at a fraction of the cost
Agreed.👍
When you testy in court you used the cheapest ammo you could find I expect you will be crucified. The differences will be less than $1.00 a round. Is that the price on a life.
@@walterknight1550 Walter, Ken here. i respect your opinion and i have a question for you, but before i ask i want to make it clear i mean no disrespect to you nor am i trying to be sarcastic. question is can you provide a link to a court case where someone was actually crucified for defending his or her life by using fmj? last thing i ever wanna do is hurt or kill someone in self defense. in fact i'll look for any way out of the situation. i'll run if i can, hide if i can, but i think it very important not to blurr the lines between who is the perp and who is the victim. the way you put things will cause some people to pause at the critical moment and end up a statistic rather than a survivor
Dang man! This video does a great job of showing the real difference bullet weight makes. Great footage!
Appreciate that.😎👍
In combat, 124 fmj is the preferred round. Over penatrate is exactly what you want.
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even after you find out penetration comes at the expense of wounding the initial target?
"Jelly time" , I love it ! The video was great as usual , and the results were pretty impressive for fmj rounds . I always wondered about the performance of these type of rounds , and like you said , they'll do the job if that's all you've got . Good Job
Thank you sir.😎👊
Thank you for the video.
It came in handy answering a question from someone about preference in using JHP or FMJ in self defense, when budget is the limiting factor.
I linked your video in my reply, and made sure to credit you in my response.
Thanks again.
Appreciate that!
Jelly Time!
Toolman I'm liking this more and more, BETTER & BETTER!!
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In my .45, a RIA 1911, I have been using FMJ standard ball ammo. It runs in the pistol like a champ. It starts out about as large as many hollow points open up to. And it has twice the weight of most 9mm's.
I feel OK using .45 FMJ as a defensive round. It looks like 9mm would do it a pinch.
Thats not surprising, 9mm FMJ has been in use as long as .45. Both will get the job done if it's what you got.
Yessir. It will definitely do the job.👍
Another great video. I've always wondered about the .40 flat point fmj versus the ball type fmj
Thank you sir. Pretty surprising.
Thanks for the video. Very informative. As you probably know the 124 grain is what the 9 mm auto was designed to shoot. Regarding over penetration, I wouldn’t worry about it. You’ll probably just take out another bad guy. Two 4 one! Now that Shoot’n.
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Back in the "stopping power" days where Marshall and Sanow collected data and reported what they compiled, FMJ in 9mm and .45 ACP were both in the 60% range. .38 Special round nose lead was almost 60% running in the high 50s. What shuts bad guys down may not always be quite what we think it is.
Was there a distinction made between "psychological stops" and "physical stops"? Psychological meaning that once the bad guy was shot, he lost all urge to continue fighting due to fear of being shot again. And physical means the projectiles did enough damage to physically force the bad guy to stop against his will.
No distinction was made. Just the fact they ceased to function. Probably no honest way to divide the two. A lot of data submitted could not be used because critical details couldn't be confirmed. It was not a perfect database but was as good as could be assembled. Civilian, Police, and war time shooting reports tend to indicate vast differences in psychology. All that might prove is that the quantifying of anything psychological in regards to why a person ceased to function is almost impossible.
I understand over penetration concerns where there are likely innocent by-standers around. But in a civil breakdown (SHTF) those distinctions between bad and innocent will likely be easier to make. In defending my loved ones I will use it all.
Amen to that!
There's not 1 case of where a citizen involved shooting resulted in a bystander being struck
My husband and I agree fully!
You shouldn't be in the path of the flying rounds in the civil unrest.b
There are some. This week I watched a video of 14 yo girl dead by a bullet that a cop missed from the purp, went through the wall and killed her. On Active Self Protection channel.
If that's all I got, then that's what I'm using! I can see where FMJ could be used if you have to shoot through a door or windshield or some other barrier and still be able to stop a bad dude. I keep mags loaded up with both, if someone is trying to break down my door to cause harm FMJ it is and A LOT OF IT! lol! As with any situation you have to know what will work best in that particular situation! These tests you do help a lot in gaining knowledge to what these different types of ammo is capable of, just have to apply it to your own situation! Thanks for sharing your tests!
Mag dump city!💥💥💥💥
Great idea with all this crazy stuff going on can't hurt. Thanks Tools
Appreciate ya brother.👍
The Winchester white box! I have this stuff for my .45 in both FMJ and JHP!
You listening to feedback and testing practical applications in possible real-world scenarios is awesome. PSA has a 1500 count 9mm NATO spec sale right now that would be great for training and SHTF scenarios. Ammo is better than no ammo, FMJ or not. Thanks for the test! Respect 👍
Fmj have really good penetration and do really well against barriers where expanding ammo might not. So if it what you have to use fear not it will work. Shot placement crucial anyhow. A fmj in the vitals beats a jhp in attackers arm. I use hollow points in my handguns but if I lived in a place where I could not I’d just use fmj flat point of some kind. Nice video.
Agreed.👍 Thank you sir.
I carry FMJ live in an urban environment where people can hide behind cars,trucks, etc.
Used to carry hollow points but I realized their penetration power was limited
I'd like to see you test the 147 grain 9mm flat points, "the poor man's defense load." 😅
Hey tools enjoyed your live cast yesterday you touched on a lot of great subjects....as to FMJ Ammo ....the way times are and are going to be....All my ammo is now defense ammo....when I was an M.P. in the early 80s we used 230 gr. BALL IN OUR 1911a1s....I felt confident that colt 1911#2334823 would end the threat of any Bad guy...i feel confident with Ball ammo ....placement is everything...keep up the great work tools! 😀❤🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Thank you sir. I agree, placement is key.👍
I’ve always wondered how the projectiles looked afterwards. Thanks for the research man.
Not a lot of difference on these FMJ. Appreciate you bigtime brother!😎👊
Very good information T&T! Thanks for all your efforts and videos! Always enjoy your videos. Thanks again and God bless you.....
I carry critical defense at all times and have other hollow points as well. This was cool to compare FMJ to hollow points so thanks for doing this video! It’s Jelly Time!! 😁 keep up the good work Tools!
Thank you ma'am. Im definitely a hollow point fan.👍
I carry the critical duty at all times hornady makes some of the best hollow points you can get the fbi uses critical duty so do tons of secret service members police and obviously civilians so you know it’s some good shit 😂
Was at aftermath of Australian SOF IN NAM HE WAS INSIDR AN armored car expanded everything but browning high-power with fmj he survived there were 9 dead VC & he had 2 rounds left I was impressed I was a door gunner for 189th ahc ,so was fairly familiar with gunfights ,just saying damn good shooting & long on balls
Appreciate y'alls service to the country brother!👊
Thanks tools good info. That is about twice the penetration of the tests you did with the hollow point. And I agree we always had to be concerned on what's behind. So thanks again for the info
Thank you sir. Definitely a big penetration difference.👍
Looking back on this, that 124gr is nice lol! be interesting to see the 124 nato vs the m1152 active duty! hope ya havin a good weekend brother! 💥💥
I enjoy all of your vids. No nonsense and JUST THE FACTS. Thanks!
Appreciate that.😎👊
Nice vid as usual! Love the education. It is hilarious when I hear people say ball ammo is not effective. Heck, 22LR can be deadly if placement is right! I have hollow point and fully believe they are safer and hopefully you only take out your intended target. But if you shoot someone with ball ammo it will do far more than just tickle! Thanks again. I always look forward to your vids!
Thank you sir. They would definitely change a bad attitude in a hurry.
it is Not as effective as JHP. USE what is MOST Effective . in a SHTF scenario yes if that is all you have then fmj is better than nothing .
Cool video, thanks. I appreciate the gel test, keep on shooting.
Thank you sir.😎
Very good information thank you for making the video. As a rule in my carry pistols I load the first 3 rounds with hollow points and the rest with ful-metal jacket. Because after the first shot, everyone wants to take cover. And I want bullets that will penetrate doors chairs tables etc. Even my backup magazine is all full metal jacket.
Thank you sir. Not a bad idea.👍
HST and Critical Duty are designed for hard barriers
Dumbest shit I've ever heard
I only carry non +p fmj in my EDC (Glock 26). I have almost 4,000 rounds of fmj through it with only one ftf (brand new magazine). I have no doubt that the Magtech that I've always shot at the range will function when I need it most.
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Today was my sons bday I grilled chicken , we did more plinking than I’ve done in 2 years and did an orange boomer too was one of his presents lolz, thx for the work tools 🇺🇸👍😎
Nice!😎
Plenty of people have met the Reaper by way of FMJ rounds. Not ideal but viable in some situations.
Absolutely.👍
If that's all I had, and could not find anything else, I would pack it. I wouldn't feel undergunned at all. It would be interesting to see a 45acp FMJ vs a 10mm FMJ in the ballistic gel.
Hmm, Good idea. The next gel test going live is a 10mm vs .40S&W hollow point. Very interesting.👍
Hollow point could be a better choice but many don’t expand. I used both 158 gain 38 spl works 9mm nato fmj. Worked great. Bullet do there on thing once they hit the target.
Actually the 124 grain NATO spec is loaded to +P pressure it says on side of box ( this ammo is loaded 10-15% more power than standard 9mm) thats why it was as fast as the 115 grain even though its heavier just an FYI. However loved the video I've been wanting to see what the NATO spec ammo would do in ballistic gel I have some boxes but it's not my carry ammo. great video buddy thanks
Greatly informative video....THANKS!
I know many will consider this total heresy but many people have been stopped by FMJ ammo and I like knowing I have the necessary penetration for whatever clothing is worn or how large and fat an aggressor is. I want a bullet that penetrates front to back. Besides many JHPs clog and don't expand anyway. So for the difference in cost in "SHIT hits the fan" buying of ammo I'll buy FMJ and not worry too much about it.
Appreciate that.😎👊
What I get outta this is that if you gotta use FMJ, which have been used in war by the military for more than a century, it's not necessarily a bad thing to have two holes in the target. I think an adversary is likely to drop faster that way. That doesn't account for what hurt the projectile might do after exiting the target, but if FMJ is all you got, you only have two choices... pull that trigger or not. Hopefully you might have a tick of time to evaluate what's behind the target. Also, if you gotta use FMJ, would not a larger caliber be a better choice? Two bigger holes? Maybe a little less velocity to help reduce the negative potential of overpenetration?
Good points. I may need to do a test using some .45acp FMJ.👍
@@ToolsandTargets We think alike! I had .45ACP in mind when I wrote it. Not that I'm biased or anything ( : < ).
🤣 2 Holes in the target! 👍
Good comparison. I never knew exactly how they would perform. Still wouldn’t want to be shot with either. Thanks for the video and information.
Thank you sir. I definitely wouldn't wanna be ventilated by em.
*THE FLUKE ANOMOLY might have been a combination of two anomalies: tumbling bullet combined with compression detonation of the gel. This can also be called dieseling. The impact pressure actually sometimes detonates the natural fuel in the organic ballistic gel.... This Detonation or Dieseling effect does not occur in live animal tissue. OCCASIONALLY a high speed camera can also catch the flash of gel detonation... AFTER, the effect a flight path might be charred, scorched, or darkened.*
I've caught the ignition on a couple of videos. It doesn't seem to happen until you get a much higher velocity rifle speed.👍
I don’t have a problem using FMJ in 45ACP but the 9mm is a little different. Any round capable of producing an exit wound is a waste of energy. A personal opinion of coarse…If I do have to carry 9mm FMJ it’s generally the Winchester NATO 9mm 124gr load. Great video.
Thank you sir.
Yes! Waste of energy. 👍
Good to know Tools. 7 months ago got stuck carry all I had . Will get some hate but steel cased 115 fmj in my Star bm9 . Yeah bad ammo and a dumb pistol. But it works . Thanks Tools, I do have better now , Sierra 124 hp and a good carry for my Berreta.
Thank you sir. Anything is way better than nothing.😎👍
I’ll tell you one thing though. That star might be heavy and limited capacity but they are wonderful pistols with good history.
I'd like to have seen the trifecta with the 147 gr ball. It's typically quoted as much slower.
Didn't even think of that.😆
@@ToolsandTargets Yes do this test too.
i think it would penetrate more right? because of the weight.
Hey Tools …. Thanks for your unending effort in educating those of us that don’t have the ability to do the testing you do.
Including 147gr. 9mm and . 380acp would be helpful if you can manage it.
Thanks Again !
147gr is slower and does penetrate even more. It's a weight/speed ratio at play.
great test sir, Thanks.!
Thanks, Appreciate you checkin it out!😎
Great video. This is a real question for some of us that aren't made of money or can't find HP's. Thank you
Thank you sir. It would definitely get the job done.👍
Depends on what situation you find yourself in.
FMJ is going to be better for soft barriers such as glass and wood. Also, during the winter it won’t clog up with heavy jackets.
Problem is, should the time ever come. You don’t know what situation you are going to find yourself in.
Pistol rounds rely on hits to arteries and organs anyways. So shot placement is going to be key in any situation.
Hey Tools&Targets - would be cool to take the results of the 9mm (enjoyed that fully) and show us what the venerable .45 230gr Ball would do. I'm a 9 guy myself but given the history of performance, would be interesting to compare - ball to ball (that sounded funny...).
🤣🤣🤣🤣 That would be "interesting."
You need nothing else.
Period.
No more to talk about. ❤🎉🎉🎉
Thanks!
Jelly time
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Get giggy with it!!!🏁☯️🎩♠️
I have done a lot of 9mm testing on feral hogs. They will only fall to ball. They soak up HST’s and gold dot like a sponge.
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@@ToolsandTargets 😂. I think it’s the tough hides that causes HP’s to over expand too soon and limits penetration. Just my theory.
@@Meh-hr7gq Interesting 🤔
People obsess with their hollow point bullets. Yes I have some but I have no problem using FMJ they will still mess up the bad guy. Some people act like you might as well be throwing cotton balls at the bad guy if you're using FMJ.
Very true. FMJ will definitely get the job done.
It's not talked down on because it's not deadly. Sure it's deadly, but it doesn't perform how we prefer self defense loads to perform. It over penetrates, doesn't dump enough of its energy, and makes a smaller hole.
The overpenetration is the biggest concern, a 9mm fmj could easily go through someone and still be lethal after passing through. You can take that into consideration and work around it but it presents more limitations.
Ha Ha WELL SAID!
Some bad guys deserve to be shot cheapest steel fmj you can find
@@RevGunn-jq3cq Hey Rev.Gunn I never thought about that before! DAMN Straight! I love it!!
Great Job, Thank You. Personally I think fmj are under rated. I do carry hollow points, but would not feel under prepared with fmj, especially flat points.
Thank you sir.😎👍
I live in central America to be more precise in Guatemala a country many of you may not even heard of, the point is that here we're almost forced to go with fmjs because the self defense labeled ammo is super expensive. Fmjs have worked just fine here actually all of the crimes or the majority of them have been comitted in this country with stolen 9mm pistols using fmj rounds.
They are definitely capable of doing the intended job.👍
@@ToolsandTargets of course they are.
Love your videos I watch your jelly test all the time lol how about some 45 ACP semi-wod cutter lead bullets and compare them to powder coated to my wad cutter bullets that would be a good one!
Keep walking, keep walking, nothing to see here... the tumble was where the wound channel opened up. The military uses FMJs so I really wouldn’t have a problem with it if I ran out of hollow points. You’re the man, Tools!
Thank you sir. I would use em for sure if I needed to.👍
the military has No choice tho LOL
@@blackticalmayhem8461 As I previously stated, per the Geneva Convention.
Your making good videos . Keep it up man ❗️
Appreciate that brother!😎👊
I just picked up a box of Winchester 115 grain 9mm “service grade” full metal jacket. This stuff has got to be +p+. It’s warm to say the least. My chrono gave up the ghost a few months ago but if I was a betting man I’d say it is over 1300 fps. Have you ever tested the “service grade” in the brown boxes before. That would be interesting!
Its jelly time!!!.. great test as always
Thank you sir! 😎
Hollow points are definitely better at pretty much everything when it comes to self defense, but FMJ will work if that's all you have. FMJ is definitely better than a stick or a knife.
Many people forget that FMJ with proper shot placement will work better than hollow points that didn't hit the vitals.
Train with what you have and carry the best thing you can.
Another excellent review demonstration 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thanks for taking the time to make these fantastic informative ballistic test videos. Definitely, a JHP bullet is preferred for self-defense ammunition to avoid over penetration and cause more injury trauma. Of course, if there is nothing else available, FMJ will do. Most militaries of the world use FMJ. The thing is, the military is not so concerned with over penetration. But in a civilian urban environment you owe to be concerned with over penetration due to criminal and civil liabilities.
Keep on rolling, bro!
Thank you sir. You're exactly right!👍
In this day and time you have to think what can I best defend in court. An aggressive DA will go after you no matter which you use.
A round that tumbles offers pretty decent ballistics, as shown in the video. This is why 95 grain round nose .380 does pretty good in the real world. It almost always tumbles.
9mm JHP has been easy to find. At 52-60¢ per round it's not too far from what FMJ is, only there's assurance one will expand/stop inside the target and the other zips through and keeps going hitting who knows what. Maybe not. Methinks in January 2020 I bought one last 25 round box (American Gunner) for $16. Still sitting among my stash. I yet have to fire my Fiocchi 147gr JHPs which I've had in my CCW for... 3 years?
Here's hoping we'll never have to use it despite the world's gone totally bonkers.
You got that right brother!👍
lol yeah i have some of those Fiocchi 147s too good stuff for sure . i prefer the Federal HST 124+P or 147gr .i save those they are like GOLD NOW LOL. i paid $25 for a box of 50 in 2019 at a gunshow lol( good ole days )
Just curious, but I’ve heard that penetration is a lot more when a flat nose FMJ is used, as opposed to round nose FMJ… It could be interesting as a test!
Good stuff Wildman 👏 Love me some jelly time you try .223 vs .308.
Thank you sir. Good idea.👍
Military been using ball -FMJ. For ever. They work
Yessir. They'll perforate a bad guy without a doubt.
Good and informative video 👍
Thanks
Obviously 9mm FMJ over penetrates! Do a test of .380 FMJ and .32 FMJ, you might be surprised!
I'll see what I can do.👍
@@richardefriend I just happen to have gotten an order in of 68 grain Lehigh extreme defender projectiles in today that I'm going to load up for some testing.😎
380 and 32 is trash.
@@DUTYGRADE would you care to get shot with either? I know I don't want to set shot with Anything!😉
I agree with your comment about using range ammo when PD ammo may be unavailable. To me there are two workable solutions that seem to be minimally acceptable in a pinch: first, standard pressure .380ACP flat nose FMJ, and second, 185 gr flat nose 45ACP especially in the officer’s model 1911. My little Colt Defender really functions well with the 185 gr flat nose ammo. I prefer Federal HST loads when I can get them but these two FMJ types would do when all else failed.
Gotta use what you got if needed.😎👍
I carry flat nose in .380 typically, and hollowpoint in 9mm. But, if it’s all I had, I’d run FMJ. I only shoot FMJ out of my 1911 just to make it run 100%, but I don’t carry it often. 38/357 I either carry flatnose or hollowpoint.
Good choices.😎👍
Thanks I've always been a bit curious
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Could be the 1st 124 gr tumbled more than once. Wound channels in the clear gel from pistol cal FMJ bullets aren't dramatically different than from hollow point bullets. It's because of the clear gel. In organic gel you see a far better representation of energy transfer, permanent and temporary wound channels. Organic gel is the gel the FBI uses. However, organic gel is not clear and as such you have to cut it open to see (and film) the results. This is why very few channels use it anymore. IMO other media such as "The meat target" do a great job of showing bone and tissue damage after the bullet has penetrated clothing layers (Which may/may not plug the hollow point causing it to act like an FMJ) However, this type of target is very expensive to use and must be disassembled to view the results. I know this was long winded but IMO FMJ bullets in clear gel vs high quality reliable hollow points bullets in clear gel do not represent the true difference in performance. If the pistol cal FMJ does not tumble a few times the wound channel will be very small. Tumbling and hitting bone are the only ways pistol cal FMJ bullets show more than a thin wound channel.
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I have more 124 than I have 115 and only a couple boxes of 147 flat nose but thankfully I have a little over 200 assorted hollow points and who knows I might buy some more if the price is right . But this was your test and a damn good one at that because the first 124 did more damage than a lot of so called self defense ammunition and for all those cry babies out there whining about over penetrating the target I say don’t stand behind anyone I might have to shoot
😂😂😂😂 I love it!
At the end of the day a bullets a bullet but when it comes down to it shot placement is key
Absolutely
Thanks. I carry FMJ in 9mm or 45. would like to see 45 FMJ gel test if you can manage.
Why do I carry FMJ? I figure it should do the job. Why pay so much for Self Defense rounds. I really do not expect to ever need for self defense, I don't give people problems, don't go to dangerous places etc.
I do especially appreciate the warning of over penetration with these FMJ rounds however, and will keep in mind if ever needed.
FMJ should be good for Texas heart shot. If you don't hit the heart, that would be a whole of of hurt. lol, Yeah I can be a sick bastard every once in a while.
I subscribed. I like your accent btw, I'm a Pennsylvanian who also spent 23 years in Southern CA. My boys said I picked up an accent in CA, idk.
Thank you sir. I would say the biggest downside to running fmj is the inconsistency. You might get a straight line or you might get some nice disruptive tumbling. But yeah, they're still gonna ventilate a bad guy.😎👍
FMJ belong in mouse guns. Maybe try the flat nose FMJ, I know it will still over penetrate but it causes more tissue/bone destruction. Awesome video, thank you.
Thank you sir. I definitely wanna check out some flat nose stuff now.👍
Nice to see tests from back in the day. Did you ever redo this with a clothing barrier ?Thanks
No, but might not be a bad idea.😎👊
The only FMJ i would trust as an emergency self defense round is 10mm remington umc 180 flat point. That thing somehow expands when shot into gel, i've tested it. Otherwise JHP all the way. 👍
Hmmm, Now you gonna make me have to buy some of that!😂
Thanks for the video. Great information. Do you keep a log on the results? Would be cool to compare the penetration on all the 9mm projectiles. How far they went. All the hollow points and the FMJ. I know we ask for a lot. Lol.
That's actually a good idea. I need to go back through and start writing down the info. I do have an idea for the projectiles after I build up a bunch of em.👍
Thanks for the video 👍👍👍
Appreciate you checkin it out brother.😎
I wanna know between m1152, m882, or solid copper round. Which would go through a small brown or average black bear head better. Solid copper is expensive to function test and do penetration tests if it’s a gimmick load that does less than other +p FMJ loads.
Love this info. I would really like to see more penetration testing on FMJ ammo, especially in 40 s&w. Where I live, and you too, there are black bear and I’d like to see how 40 fmj compares to some of the specialized hard cast ammo when it comes to devastating penetration. Speer lawman and some others have some impressive stats on their fmj.
Thanks
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You can used fmj and if you aimed at the head, face, throat, center of chest, or knees they will be effective
I carry HST 124. I practice and SHTF-stockpile with FMJ. My stockpile has some JHP, don't get me wrong, it's just that it's a definite minority. I need a SHTF-Mag-Plan to maintain a minimum qty of JHP. Maybe first 3 in the mag JHP and the rest FMJ, with a back-up mag of each.
Not a bad idea.😎👍
In the Army, we had “ball” ammo. Our reasoning was… well, it’s not like I’m gonna shoot em only once…. And it feeds always and pokes through chest carrier magazines, thick clothing and such which is nice!
Yessir.👍
... and you don't have to worry about over penetration in combat but have to comply with the Geneva Convention which prohibits HP ammo.
@@pedrobossio5440 Yea - I've been out for quite a while but heard that some units are using "controlled expansion" or "Winchester Safety Blossoms" but yea, we had that whole Geneva Convention thing to think about. Curious if that is changing or not - do you happen to know?
@@JohnCNewJr I heard that they're finally moving on from the Convention thing and there's a HP round with a crown that they're looking at getting the contract along with new Sig 10MM pistols to replace the M 92.
@@pedrobossio5440 HUH?? the M9 is already replaced by the (SIG M17/M18 .9MM) NOT 10MM where are you getting this false information From ? LOL
Another great test 👌 just don't want to hurt nothing else besides your target
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I own one gun and it's my first. I have a Glock 19 Gen 5. I am not doing concealed carry right now. Literally just got my permit snd bought my gun a week ago. I am still just doing the range and getting familiar with my firearm. Bought both FMJ range ammo 115 and some 147 grain JHP. I like the 115 FMJ better. Can't see spending extra cash on JHP.
Ending with this. I don't break into people's homes, cars, assault them, etc. Reduces my chance of getting shot considerably. On the road, had several times road rage could easily have escalated. I pull off, let them pass, use my signal, move over. Avoiding drama as much as possible. Too old.
Based on my experience as an old US Army 91B - Combat Medic - using an FMJ is fine by me. I have 2 Glocks on my nightstand; old G17 loaded with HP & my new G19 loaded with S&B 150gr FMJ. The 150's are subsonic, so won't hurt your ears as much when shot indoors. Great video; gel tests are always cool.
Thank you sir. They both definitely have their strengths.👍
You'd be vastly better off with a 147gr JHP if you are looking at using a subsonic 9mm load. It will in fact still damage your hearing fired indoors though.
@@chuckhaggard1584 a lot of 147's struggle to open up since they are so terribly slow.
You know, I try really hard to avoid firefights at home. Notice that as the barrel (and chamber) heat up, velocities creep up!
I try to avoid em anywhere.👍
Good video. I was wondering what the deal was. Thanks
Need a tshirt with an older clock with the hour, minute, and second hand. With "It's Gelly Time" at every hour marking.
That's a great idea!😆
Nice shirt 👕 y’all!!!!!
Like to c ya tacking this Gun Chanel thing SERIOUS!!!!!
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Fmj would work just fine. It’s the over penetration is going to be the main concern. I keep a spare mag of 124gr nato for when I’m out and about just in case. You never know when that extra penetration may be of great benefit. I also keep a mag of critical duty i case I want that happy medium of penetration and expansion.
Good idea.👍
124 NATO should be 1263 fps +/- 5 fps at 15' from a 4" barrel.
115 NATO should be 1125 fps.
(Not to be used in M9)
The 124 is what people mean when they say submachine gun ammo but it was speced for the M9 Beretta as well.
You should do a test with solid bone or cartilage like the center of the chest. or pelvis area.