Chieftain Talks. The Battle of Leyte Gulf. Yamato and Musashi | World of Warships
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- The second episode in series of talks from Nicholas “The Chieftain” Moran is dedicated to 75th anniversary of the Battle of Leyte Gulf, the largest naval battle in the Pacific, and the largest naval battle in recorded history.
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Thank you for making this video
Hoping to make more videos especially in history
Very informative
Noice
Love that you guys appreciate the historical significance of the ships in your game. It makes it not just fun ... but, educational too!
Nicely done, you even got the pronunciations right.
I hope we get an episode from the point of view of Taffy 3.
Great lecture but a few animated maps, pictures and slides would help us visualise what went on and watch whole rather long video. Thanks Chief!
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You can thank me later , cheers
my dad was there he can tell ya
@@matso3856 ty :)
I agree, that was missing
Excellent lecture! I hope they can do a graphical version/mix with the very same lecture! They’re a graphic design/game developer after all!
Interesting but I would have loved to see some graphical representations of what was being narrated.
agree quite dense stuff. I was a bit lost ....
If you’d like one with more visuals beyond Nick sitting in a chair, I’d check out Drachinifel’s video on the topic
@@curiosity802 Not just dense: huge omissions of important aspects while including all sorts of irrelevant details. A bad rushed job. Never seen anything this bad by wargaming before, nowhere close.
While listening while playing Wows is nice, some visual for those who are watching is probably better
Agree, not some really fancy graphics but something to get your imagination going...
For 35 minutes, Mr. Moran laid down a lesson with no graphics, no video, and I was totally absorbed. Zero BS, zero snark and total respect to the intelligence of the commanders, the warriors and the audience -- Exceptional.
Thank you sir.
This reply may come 9 months late, but I agree.
Nicholas Moran did a good job. He is a talented presenter.
And while I - as a devoted adherent of the "beauty in simplicity" school of thought - do appreciate the stark, no-nonsense presentation, I do have to say that a few maps visualizing the area of operation and the movements of the different naval units would have significantly improved the video.
"The last stand of the tin can navy" there's a book by that name and some stuff online too. It's a seriously amazing event, absolutely heroic.
If you haven’t read the book yet READ IT. It is superbly written, well researched and even after 75years brings tension to nail biting level. Yes, I liked that book😂
It is a PHENOMENAL book! Well researched, written and presented. I still can't wrap my mind around 3 destroyers and a frigate CHARGING an armada of battleships, cruisers and destroyers assisted by the pilots who often did "dry runs" (no ammo) to harass and distract the enemy fleet! That is pure courage, right there! If you haven't seen it, check out Drachinifel's video 'The Battle of Samar - Odds? What are those?'
Dogfights did an episode on this and got interviews with the sailers in the battle. It is very interesting
One of my Uncle's was in the 38th Infantry and had already landed on Leyte. He was up in the hills and saw a good portion of the "Last Stand." Of course, he couldn't tell who was winning or losing he found out later.
The Battle off Samar...also known as the US Navy's "Finest Hour"
Thank you wargaming for this video, my grandfather was on the USS Birmingham in this battle, they helped the USS Princeton when they caught fire, but when the CV exploded my grandfather was injured from shrapnel. I've had years of stories at the breakfast table, that was one hell of a fight.
What happened to Princeton also destroyed Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, and Hiryu. Bomb exploded in hangar deck, disabled firefighting systems, and triggered secondary explosions by planes, weapons, and fuel
"If you're holding a hammer the problems all start looking like nails." ~ The Chieftain
It's a quote from the psychologist Maslow, not this dude.
@@whatisitthesedays Maslow wrote that in 1966, but by then it was already known as Kaplan’s Law after psychologist Abraham Kaplan who wrote something similar in 1962. The saying in various forms goes back over a century.
An Irishman pronouncing Japanese names was quite entertaining. The Chieftain did a great job.
That moment you stop what you’re doing at work when you realise The Chieftain dropped a video!
I was like, deadline ? okay let's take a break and enjoy this vid.
I was like ok lets watch some memes and I saw cheiftain and wows I just clicked on the video
I am really happy because I live in the phillippines and I live in leyte
Always enjoy Chieftain's well defined, well spoken recounts of war history. He is by far the biggest asset Wargaming has as far as war history. Well done Chieftain, and well done by Wargaming giving him this platform.
MY DAD WAS THERE!!!
He told me over and over that his destroyer wasn't destroyed because the large caliber shells went right through before exploding.
My dad may have been a Tin Can Sailor.
(at least, that's how I remember him telling it...I was a stupid kid and did not pay as close attention as he deserved. I may have smudged which group he was in, but I remember Leyte Gulf and the Turkey Shoot. Dad didn't see any of it, as his station was down in the sonar room. I really should research his record more thoroughly.)
I sure do miss him.
I love this guy, he always brightens me up and makes my day, great stuff, thankyou.
I'm hoping that most Filipino will remember our history
Especially to the generations nowadays
Thank you wargaming for making this video
I know a plenty of people my age who love history so you shouldn't worry
@@Noisykiller12 that's a good news 😉 thanks
I would like to think most Philipinos remember history as well as I do.
we fought side by side and died for each other
@@Magnus_Caramelo_55 sad reality
And we get kicked out of subic bay
I was living in Marquette MI on the shore of Lake Superior in the 90’s and had a girlfriend for awhile who had a job taking care of older veterans and she talked about this Captain Dave who she loved. It turned out to be Commander McLintock of U.S.S. Darter which with Dace opened the battle. I wish I had the brains back then to maybe meet him and talk about this incredible experience. Marquette built a Darter Dace memorial and in 1999 had the two commanders visit for a ceremony. Very cool and moving tribute to the crews lost on eternal patrol.
Thank you WG for featuring the Historical Naval battle in the Philippines 🇵🇭 during world war II. Because the help of the Americans our Filipino veterans finally push back the Japanese force to its territory.
Jeremiah Igbalic Yes
WG other action game company shouldn't be making history videos unless more strictly battle related. Japan was willing to negotiate and leave the axis with the US to end the embargo. The US figured the Philippines would be targeted but pressed with the oil embargo and unwavering posture in negotiations, prompting Japan seek seek oil in Dutch colony Indonesia. US position put the Philippines in harms way.
You might want to give the Americans a little more credit than that since there were 300,000 fighting in the PI and they did far and away the majority of the fighting. There were no Phillipino Infantry regiments or divisions organized. They served mostly as scouts and small units within the American units.
@@MrMattumbo There are two main points of time of "Japanese invasions".
The first one was the 1931 invasion of 1931.
The second one was the out-break of the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937.
In both cases, the degree of "Japanese aggression" has been exaggerated.
For the first one, when Japanese invaded Manchuria, there was no fight with the KMT because the KMT had no control of the northern area. If someone says that CKS had successfully took control of all of "China" by the end of the 1920s, then they are in effect saying that Manchuria was not part of China because the KMT had no control of the area. And they never did. After the collapse of Yuan Shikai, the warlord in control of the Manchuria area was the Fangtian clique. And Japan backed this clique because they were a useful buffer for Imperial Japanese territory in the Korean peninsula. But the Fangtian clique suffered some military defeats during the warlord fights throughout the 1920s. By 1928, the economy of the Fangtian clique fell apart. The top economy official abandoned the clique. In 1929, the Soviet Union attacked the left over government and easily defeated the left over military in the area. The SU attacked in order to reassert control of a railway that ran from the northwest straight down to the southeast onward to Vladivostok. KMT no where in sight. Comes 1930, still no KMT. So then comes September 1931, still no KMT. The Japanese moved in. A huge area worth about 30 million people was taken easily. If the KMT was doing well, then they had 3 years to move in and take over. But they didn't. Instead Soviet activity increased in the area. And what yje Japanese installed was a Manchu state, not a Chinese state. Mind you, Manchuria was part of China only during the Qing dynasty. Before that, the area was a Manchu country. So it wasn't even deeply Chinese like how the areas more southeast of it were. The whole, yet stupidly short phrase of "Japan invaded China in 1931" really ignores so much about the whole situation about it. However CKS was angry at Japan for taking Manchuria despite the fact that he had no capacity to take the area himself! An area that was a piece of cake for the Japanese to take. In addition to increased Soviet activities in the area, another reason Japan went in was because anti-Japanese Korean communists fighters were operating from the area north of Korea. So taking Manchuria helped eliminate area where Korean communists could make a base of operation.
As for 1937, again, it wasn't a wholly unprovoked blatant invasion. CKS was kidnapped in December 1936 and pressured into ending his fight against the Chinese communists to form a "united front" against Japan. The war with Japanhad not started until the summer of 1937. Which means that CKS and the Chinese communists made preparations to start the war well in advance. This wasn't like your sudden Nazi Germany blitz on Poland here.. Chinese nationalistic sentiment and CKS himself wanted Manchuria back, along with anger at special provisions granted to foreigners in places like Shanghai. Shanghai I could certainly understand. But if CKS just accepted the Japanese having Manchuria, then there would never have been the motive to escalate the fight with the Japanese at skirmishes in the northern areas like at the Marco Polo bridge. By mid 1938, Japanese advances were stopped, but KMT was qjite beat up ane weak and they often appealed for foreign aid including lines of credit from the US on two or three occasions. The FDR administration preferred CKS China and so year after year more and more credit was sent to KMT. First time was 25 million USD, or about 450 million in today's dollar in 38' if I recall correctly. Another one was sent the year afterwards. On the Japanese side of China, the Wang Jingwei regime was established by 1940 and this reasoning was used by CKS to ask for more money from the US. The US kept digging in the preference to back this incompetent KMT regime, which had brutal and forced recruitment for soldiers, some being young Chinese being kidnapped and pressed into service. And the US going as far as direct and total war with Japan, all for what? ... the KMT losing to the commies.
So the main is that the Japanese weren't just going across Asia to rape, pillage, and murder. There is a lot of historical back ground that is ignored. It actually isn't really your fault that you posted the way you did because the full historical context does not get broadcasted in the media.
And just like those two examples, the PH attack was also provoked by the oil embargo and the unwillingness by the US side to meet with Prime Minster Konoye to find a way to end the embargo and improve relations with Japan leaving the axis. The Pacific War didn't have to happen.
@@leafyrocky80 You're a fucking apologist, sure the politics are interesting, but that doesn't change the fact that Japan's military leaders set out to create an empire across the region on the basis that they were racially superior and deserved to rule over the other peoples of the region. They institutionalized the mass slaughter of enemy POWs, pillaging of captured cities, and the rape and forced prostitution of their defeated foes' women and young girls. The Japanese empire committed atrocities as bad if not worse than those of the Nazis. Yet many of their crimes were covered up before the American occupation began, many of their criminals escaped justice, and their government still to this day attempts to deflect, deny, and revise the history of their actions during the war to a sickening degree and people like you eat it up and spread it wherever you can. Stop pretending Japan was a victim, they started a most brutal war aggression and attacked the US without a declaration of war, the Japanese military leadership bears full responsibility for what happened. War is war, don't start one you can't win and don't cry about it afterward.
Chieftain is doing ships now? Will we see him on USS Alabama soon for a "OMG, the ship is on fire?"
Daar kom die Alibama, die Alibama he kom oor die see 🎶
That was the North Carolina.
That some high quality vid. Love it, thanks WG!
Great lecture and great to see a narrator who can deliver a good and interesting talk sans waving arms and constant hand gestures. Kudos!
USS Johnson has most likely been found at depth of 6.22 km at the edge of the Philippine Trench
Well, a few bits of her have been found. Most of the hull is likely at the bottom of that trench. Even so, the bits that have been found make her the deepest wreck ever discovered.
Bless those of Taffy 3. Let the tale of Johnston, Hoel, and Sammy B be forever remembered. (Edit, changed autocorrect Joel to Hoel)
Just so the uninitiated know the Sammie B is the USS Roberts. The Tin Can Destroyers that fought like Battleships
The book," The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors, " does, I think, the best job of telling the tale of the battle of Leyte Gulf.
The absolute heroism of American sailors in destroyers facing Japanese battleships, including the mammoth Yamato, is stirring !
Leyte Gulf involved the largest number of warships ever assembled, including D-Day !
American industrial might was something Admiral Yamamoto feared and his fear was realized.
I had read that, at the start of WWII, the U.S. had four aircraft carriers in the Pacific theatre.
At the end of the war it had 159 !!
Thank you for the history I really enjoyed this an the build up
So detailed than other history videos i like all ship names being mentioned
I really enjoyed this... Thank you very much.
Well, with the exception of the discussion on Midway - this was excellently done. I especially liked the discussion of Japans Strategic plans which not a lot of people are aware of.
Here's the problems with Midway:
1) You left out the Doolittle Raid which prompted the Midway Campaign.
2) The Aleutians were not the trap - Midway was the trap - the Aleutians were a diversion.
3) It wasn't so much the Japanese Aviators flying home to find their ships sunk - as them still being on the ships trying to launch when they were attacked. This of course was only true for those from Akagi, Kaga and Soryu - as Hiryu was in a rain squall and not noticed by the Americans. Hiryu was however there - and available for any Japanese planes that needed to land. It was this ship that launched the aircraft that damaged the Yorktown - then the Americans caught it and sank it. The Japanese also had several other light carriers in the area providing air cover for the other forces - though I don't know if this would have been of any help to anyone trying to land on Hiryu after it was attacked.
Also - Coral Sea should probably have been mentioned before Midway since it occurred before Midway, so that even the mention that it had occurred earlier - might have been missed. The fact that Shokaku was damaged and Zuikaku's air group was shot up - and Japanese inflexibility in breaking up their two ship carrier groups - led to them being one carrier shorter than they might have been at Midway. This in contrast to what the US did - taking Saratoga's air group and putting it on Yorktown while at the same time patching Yorktown up.
But - that's just one part of an otherwise excellent presentation - though more time could have been spent on TF 34 and it's non-activation. For a presentation covering such a large battle and the events leading up to it - it's difficult to include everything.
As to excusing Kurita's not expending the IJN's last force on the American Invasion ships off Leyte ... that is what he should have done. He would have lost them all but - they never served a useful purpose after that so he may as well have. I've mentioned elsewhere that in Halsey's and Kurita's cases, I believe that habit was a factor. Halsey was in the habit of prioritizing the Carriers over surface ships and Kurita, like the other Japanese Admirals, was in the habit of thinking of at least a Fleet In Being role for Japans irreplaceable ships. And so - Halsey chased after the Carriers with everything he had (maybe he just didn't feel like transferring off the New Jersey so he could leave it at San Bernadino Strait (??)) and Kurita fell back to preserve his ships (to no useful purpose).
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I think Halsey's choice of flagship was a big part of the problem. It's also worth remembering that the IJN always considered attacking non-warships as less than honorable. I still don't know what ships 7th Fleet had inside Leyte Gulf besides USS Pennsylvania, but for the Japanese going in and shooting up transports would have been less than attractive. And given everything Kurita's forces had already suffered, the thought of 3rd Fleet cutting off their retreat and Kurita being responsible for the fate of all the officers and men still alive is not something anyone who hasn't been in that situation can dismiss. When Kurita's ships started getting attacked by McCain's task group as well as by the Taffies I think he was justified in concluding that the plan had failed. I would rather be in his shoes than in the shoes of the officers who approved and conducted the Yamato suicide run.
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Yeah, the more I think about it the more I think transferring his flag could have played a part in his not activating TF 34. It isn't just a question of him clambering over the side - which was probably not that easy for someone who was not a young man - but - I have been involved in setting up things during an exercise and there is a whole lot of stuff that needs to be done. He - and his staff (!!!) - were all set up on the New Jersey and for him to transfer his flag would have cost him something in his ability to command his fleet until he was all set up where ever he went.
As to Japan attacking non-combat ships ... I would say ... that it was more a factor of it being MORE Honorable to attack Warships rather than that it was LESS Honorable to attack cargo ships. But ... that's just a ... perception of mine. It is however a fact that the Japanese Submarines were used more against warships than in an anti-commerce role - like we and the Germans did. They scored some very real successes - but - chasing warships about is a lot more difficult and less productive strategically than singing cargo ships.
Here - what you have is the Japanese of the day not really understanding what they were doing. Students of Mahan knew that the merchant ships were more important than the combat ships. The only purpose of the combat ships - was to protect their own sea lanes or attack the enemies. Other than that - they served no purpose ... other than maybe shore bombardment. Here - it should be remembered that Japan had only become a modern nation in 1870 with the Meiji Reformation.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Restoration
So - they didn't have the long period of gradual development of technical and tactical change that existed in the west - they only had the west as a model. In their rush to modernization - there were things that weren't fully understood. Thus, my contention, that they didn't emphasize attacking the enemies supply lines or protecting their own - enough. It wasn't like they didn't understand it at all - it's more like they didn't appreciate the real significance of it.
Yes - I can understand Kurita's not wanting to sacrifice his men - but - if you look at the suicidal efforts being made on land and in the air ... this was his chance for the Navy to make a contribution.
As to the Yamato - that was just a waste. At Leyte Gulf - it was already there. The American Transports were right there a short distance away. With the Yamato's Death Ride - it accomplished nothing as the Allies sank it long before it could have done anything. And here is my point - what did Kurita preserve these ships to do? In the case of Yamato - he preserved it to sink uselessly and drown a lot of it's crew with it. The other ships were mostly just sunk in port - but I do believe they were manned.
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@@BobSmith-dk8nw By the fanatical standards of the time, the people on the Yamato simply got the privileged of dying for the emperor, but at least Kurita can say this waste didn't happen on his watch.
Both Spruance and Kurita flew their flags from heavy cruisers which makes more sense than Halsey's choice -- and Kurita suffered when he had to shift to the Yamato after his original flagship was sunk. The Darter and Dace contributed to the USN victory in so many ways.
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Well ... what really should have been done - is that the Japanese shouldn't have created and aggressive military to further the aims of empire building - and concentrated on consumer products 20 years earlier than they did. That's what they should have done ... then no body would have died of anything other than natural causes.
But - that's not what they did.
Their plan - was to make the Americans pay such a price in blood - that they would quit. This is the same plan North Vietnam had. I'm not planning on writing a book on the differences there - so I'll leave it at that.
But - the point is - that in support of their National Strategy to try and save their nation - making the Americans pay in blood - was Kurita's job.
In any case - I've seen no evidence that it was - and normal Japanese behavior at the time would indicate that sparing his men's lives - was not Kurita's motivation. In fact - given the Cult of Death that permeated the Japanese military - the very thought of sparing his men's lives as the expense of the mission - would have been anathema to Kurita AND his men.
What I believe you are doing - is attaching YOUR motivations to Kurita - rather than examining what HIS really were. This is actually very common but is something historians are not supposed to do.
Now - how he felt about it in later years ... I couldn't say - but at the time he made his decision to withdraw - I don't believe he was thinking about sparing his men. He and they were both expected to do their duty - and lay down their lives for the Emperor.
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@@BobSmith-dk8nw While trying (without luck) to find something else I just ran into something you might find interesting if you haven't already read it: In "The Japanese Navy in World War II" edited by David C. Evans, there's a piece by Atsushi Oi about the failure of the IJN ASW effort because they, ..."disregarded the importance of the problem." The piece looks at all aspects of the problem but what I took away was the line about the difficulty they had finding naval officers willing to do something as inglorious as protecting merchant ships.
A good job of story telling without getting bogged down in the minutiae.
You covered much in 35 minutes, an excellent overview of the IJN's plans and a concise but good timeline of the Battle of Leyte Gulf. Chieftain, you need to do a video on the tanks of the US invasion force on Layte.
I liked what you presented. It is detailed and keeps one attention from beginning to end. Thank you.
A remarkable narration of events that would change our world forever. Thank you for this concise and interesting recreation of events that took place so long ago; and with so much at stake! Well Done.
I enjoyed that immensely with or without images, like a lecture or reading an account
Thanx, great job.
I learned some details new today:-)
Thank you for another awesome history lesson!
This is the best narrative I’ve yet heard on the Japanese Navy in WW2. I would say it is the best RUclips video I’ve ever seen/heard.
You should read "Nakajima B5N Kate And B6N Jill Units." It's very good
I take nothing away from the Chieftain, but for best RUclips video I've ever seen/heard, I nominate Drachinifel's" The Battle of Samar - Odds? What are those?" Drach is not the narrator nor speaker that Chieftain is but the video is much more informative about the battle specifically and is much more entertaining. It is also much more accurate. The Chieftain's presentation is accurate enough, but there are times where he generalizes in places where a listener is likely to take the information as detailed and specific - it can, therefore be misleading. I blame this on Wargaming's regard for historical accuracy in it's other products; when accuracy gets in the way of marketability, then accuracy is irrelevant. It is the Chieftain's misfortune to be in a position where he must yield to this Wargaming failing; at least he "warns" viewers by wearing Wargaming swag when he is under t his onus.
I love these mini documentaries! This was and still is the largest naval battle in history, and even trumped the battle of Jutland! The destroyers of taffy 3 would go down as the “tin cans” that faced off against the main Japanese battlefleet! May the bravery and valor of those men never be forgotten!
minor nitpick : 5:44 - Luring the US carriers into a trap at the Aleutian islands was never part of the Japanese plans. It's not in their documents at all. This idea appears to have originated with the USN who were at the time attempting to explain the IJN's senseless decision to split their fleet.
@Bj D A particular flaw that appears from Midway forward in Japanese planning, splitting the fleet into widely separated task groups that were too far apart for mutual support. At Leyte this can be partly accounted for by their fuel crisis.
@Bj D LT James "Jimmy" Thatch, a squadron commander and Wildcat Ace, introduced the weave tactic as a defense against the superior flying characteristics of the Zero. Many of the IJN pilots could not resist taking the bait thus the tactic became SOP for USN even after the F6F replaced the F4F as the first-line USN fighter aircraft.
A remake of Infographics & History episode so good and epic!
Thanks for the commentary. My Dad left My Mom, my sister, and me (age 3 months) and went to war in the Pacific. He fought in the Battle of Leyte Gulf and when I was about 10 years old he told me of it. They US Navy had its hands full. Dad said, that for 3 days the gunners never left their posts, the cooks brought them peanut butter sandwiches at their gun mounts (Quad-40mm Bofors).
My Dad was also a Quad-40mm Gunner/Loader on a BB at Leyte Gulf ( I was not around until 11 yrs. later) I think he was about 18.
I appreciate that you take the time to explain some of the backstory and history to the force that engaged in the extended battle of Leyte Gulf. I don't think many people really understand that how true it is that "you go to war with the force you have" is, and that the force you have may have been decided long ago under circumstances and conditions that no longer exist or are simply no longer important.
I always found the "you go to war with the force you have" the kind of proverb made by a failure. You go into battle with the force you have but most wars you can see coming a mile away and it's your own damn fault if your caught with your pants down. US intervention in WW2 was almost inevitable so she should have been better prepared, but Pearl Harbor was not inevitable, in fact before the Battleship fleet was stationed in Pearl, it was stationed in San Diego, well out of reach of the Japanese.
@@Edax_Royeaux Yep
@@Edax_Royeaux, that's a valid observation, but my comment was actually meant to refer to today's military, which is essentially a cold war force built in the 1980's and designed in the 1970's. The US has not made any major upgrades to that basic structure other than to significantly reduce it (US had more troops in Germany in 1989 than it does in the entire Army today). If you were a planner in the 80's, what would you think warfare would look like in 2020, 2030, 2040? Pretty hard to say. Regarding the US in WWII, we were actually a lot better prepared than most give credit for. By the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Keels for the Essex class carrier, Gato class submarine, the Iowa class battleship, and the Fletcher class destroyer were already laid.
Thomas Wilson Yup. Modern war would be so quick that if a country isn’t prepared, it has already lost. There would be virtually no way to build up forces as the US did in WWII.
A gaming channel is one of the best doc channels on RUclips. Thank you for your work and reinvesting money into educational videos.
The Chieftain looks more and more like an battle-worn old general. I'd pay money to see him in that uniform.
This is going to be one of the best fifteen minute summaries of the war in pacific I have ever seen - leave it to Chieftain - but we haven't even gotten to Leyte Gulf yet...
fantastic. Subbed!
Well, they do warn you in the title. The "Chieftain Talks". And that's a really good summary of the video.
excellent please do more!!!
I've learned more from The Chieftain about World History than I did in 12 years of formal school.
Taffy 3 will go down in Naval history and one if not the greatest examples of determination and courage ever displayed. I have retired to Leyte and the history here is amazing, unfortunately most here have almost no idea of the sacrifices made here.
I'm Retired Marine living in Albay. I actually own MacArthur Jeep hes famous picture at the landing site
My Dad was there, Radarman on USS COLUMBIA CL-56 Columbia returned to the Pacific, covering the landings at Peleliu and taking part in the Battle of Surigao Strait on the night of October 24-25 during the Battle of Leyte Gulf. Whilst covering the landings during the Lingayen Gulf invasion on January 6, 1945, she was struck by a kamikaze, and was further hit by a second kamikaze three days later while laying close to shore due to the prior damage. Under repairs until June 1945, Columbia returned to the Pacfic, participating in the Allied invasion of Borneo and serving in the East China Sea when Japan capitulated in mid-August.
Good presentation from the Chieftain, but I noticed a few mistakes. The Battle of The Coral Sea was first, followed by Midway. The battle of the Philippine Sea was a naval battle, the Marianas Turkey shoot was a different battle in which most of the planes destroyed were on the ground and was part of the invasion of the Marianas. The battle of Leyte Gulf also included the night battle of Surigao Strait, the last battleship engagement in history which saw the loss of two Japanese battleships.
Concerning the lead up to the battle: The 1931 renewal of the Washington Naval Treaty was signed by the Japanese after America and Britain both offered not to further fortify Singapore, Hong Kong and Coregidor. After Japan left the League of Nations, and announced they were building a new navy the escalator clause was invoked which allowed the other nations to go to a 45,000ton limit and 16in guns. Plus all other limits on ship tonnage and numbers were dropped. Japan thus foolishly started a naval race, (and war) that they could not win!
One of the things most people say about Pearl is the total loss off the fleet. Temporarily that might be the thought. Really if I remember correctly only 3 were down for the count. The rest were refloated and sent to ship yards to be repaired and refitted. The fact they were harbor made that possible along with the tenacity and manufacturing abilities of the US. Some were back in the war within 3 months. The only real thing it accomplished is making people mad, the US being to outright enter war production to the fullest. Whereas many of those ships went back in to service and at least on was with the Missouri at Japan's surrender, I don't think any of the attacking ships made the end of the war. You do good work Chief.
Excellent. I have studied and watched enough videos to envision what you were talking about. The presentation was done in great detail & tied the battle altogether, succinctly. Superb video and camera angles. Kept my interest because I knew, you knew exactly what took place, .....by your studies. Professional....
would have been perfect with more graphic representation to outline key events, engagements and broad outline of fleet movements etc. Just to paint a clearer picture on top of Chieftains detailed talk.
i was watching this and i had a good sleep
i need to watch more of these...
This battle needs a movie. Up until now it's only been sub movies or, in the case of Midway, carrier movies. It's high time someone let the kings of the ocean shine.
You are getting very good at this.
The History Guy: History Deserves to be Remembered covered this recently and he did a great job. It was a little easier to follow as well (not to imply that The Chieftain did a bad job).
he sucked
A lot of documentaries in this battle.👍
The History Guy is awesome!
Well done Thank You.
The soundtrack to this is actually really good. :D
26:43 "God damn it! They are getting away."
" Don't worry, we're sucking them into 40MM range!"
Also, since so much time was devoted to the Yamato class BBs it seems you would want to contrast them with the USN's new BBs. The IJN opted for 2 superbattleships that did almost nothing useful until Sho Go while the USN invested in 10 smaller battleships that contributed to everything from keeping the Tirpitz at bay to silencing a Vichy French BB to defeating one of the IJN's fast battleships to escorting the carriers all over the Pacific and occasionally providing fire support. The Yamatos were the Mauses of the Pacific War, or whatever the plural is for the Panzerkampfwagen VIII -- a weapon so ponderous and fuel consuming as to be useless for a military that mostly needed trained aviators but kept sacrificing protection for range until the very end of the war.
Very cool!
Thanks for putting this out there, WG. Its well made, educational, entertaining etc.
I'm genuinely sorry to jump this far off (especially to ask a personal question) but I have to ask...Chieftain, WHAT is your accent?!? It seems to go between at least 2, if not maybe 3? British? Aussie?.....a little American?!?!
Whatever it is, great job delivering this to us, it is 100% perfection. Not too long, not too short. No boring, unrelated filler info etc.
Thank you!
He was born in Ireland.
Great video. IJN battle plans were too complex and required a lot of timing and coordination that they simply were not able to carry out for reasons that were beyond their control.
Agree. IJN believed courage could overcome their numerical inferiority
I really liked this small history video. Any chance we can maybe get more in the future?
This should be in our history lessons in school .... I swear our education here in PH is outdated
Good presentation by Moran, badly needs maps at least. I know the geography but a lot of other people would not.
Barry
So they buffed „Chieftain“ Moran from tank expert to general history crack? Full secondary build, so to say!
That’s a welcome buff, Wargaming! Well done, i suppose the guys on PTS were equally thrilled.
The (probable) wreck of the USS Johnston was recently found under 20,400 feet of water off Samar. She was sunk in one of the most heroic actions of the battle (and of the entire war IMO).
Very well done. my only suggestion would be to have a map/arrow visual guide to movement.
The Battle Off Samar - when the IJN learned that when push came to shove, Americans could be even more psychotic berzerkers than the Japanese. As Drachinifel recently said, "Never ever underestimate the firepower of an almighty swarm of angry Fletchers."
Mess with the Fletcher, you go to the scrapper
I’m pretty sure the IJN learned that in 42.
Scott L I don’t think so - the fights in 42 were never so one sided as the Battle Off Samar. The IJN should have been able to brush Taffy 3 aside and kill all the Taffy 1-3 forces. They found out that American DD and DEs were even more psychotic berserkers than the Japanese’s own code of Bushido demanded. The Japanese went in expecting to fight house cats - capable of causing damage but not a hugely dangerous opponent in their opinion. Instead, the Japanese found they were facing rabid angry bobcats.
I’d put Callahans charge on the 13th of November up there with any suicidal comparison, excluding kamikazes, you’d want to make. The big differences in my opinion are 1) Callahan didn’t have two other task forces tossing air power into the battle to cover him he had to do it on his own, 2) Callahans destroyers had unreliable torpedos and were limited to 5/38 guns, and 3) Callahan didn’t allow his charge to be damaged or incapacitated.
You forgot the Butler-class DEs...
No joke, but the smallest naval battle that ever happened occurred between two canoes on the Alabama River during the War of 1812. One canoe carried 11 Creek warriors and the other held four American militia.
Excellent!
very cool video, although in the future i'd like to see more visual aids. things like maps, lists of equipment, and casualties. those kinds of details are extremely important when it comes to getting the audience to understand the scope of what took place. but the chieftain's telling of events was superb!
This was it. If you were a young sailor aboard one of these ships, on either side of the battle, this was the the moment of truth. The mother of modern day naval warfare. As a proud U.S. NAVY veteran I salute the brave, gallant crew of those ships and those who went down with them. RIP gentlemen you have fulfilled your duties.
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My Dad was there, Radarman on USS COLUMBIA CL-56 Columbia returned to the Pacific, covering the landings at Peleliu and taking part in the Battle of Surigao Strait on the night of October 24-25 during the Battle of Leyte Gulf. Whilst covering the landings during the Lingayen Gulf invasion on January 6, 1945, she was struck by a kamikaze, and was further hit by a second kamikaze three days later while laying close to shore due to the prior damage. Under repairs until June 1945, Columbia returned to the Pacfic, participating in the Allied invasion of Borneo and serving in the East China Sea when Japan capitulated in mid-August.
Leyte gulf was lost for the Japanese before it began. Even in the event that the Japanese won a victory it would only buy time from American assaults and time wasnt going to improve the situation for the Japanese.
Great and informative video and as ALWAYS the Cheiften is AWESOME!! That being said, would have really loved to have seen some graphical representation of the forces, movements, and maps.
This is better than most of the history channel Narrations I’ve seen! This could use some more visuals though!
I'm a military history buff and Leyte Gulf (actually a series of battles) was probably the greatest naval battle in all history. It would make a great miniseries ala Band of Brothers and The Pacific. With the visual animation technology we have now the realism would be a-maz-ing. Wish it can be made while I'm still alive to see it.
The big problem with the Japanese plan was after Pearl Harbor was that the US was avoiding fleet actions like they were the plague. The only place that the USN met the IJN was in ship to ship combat was the seas around Guadalcanal which earned the name of Iron Bottom Sound.
Great narration.
Great history video
The Chieftain's uttering of the phrase "Sherman's combat air patrol of Hellcats" made my brain shortcuit a little.
Great video, looking forward to more. Consider adding period film, photos, cgi maps and even first hand narratives.....but great job....keep it up.
You were expecting jingles but it was me chieftain!!!!
Jingles is a great narrator!
Interesting and well done.
fasinating/interesting details..well done...
You guys make better videos than other documentary stuff
Did I miss crossing the T where Peaarl Harbor battleships got their revenge?
I did.
Hi i'm from leyte philippines Thanks for making the video
My dad was in this engagement on the battleship USS North Carolina.
My Dad was there, Radarman on USS COLUMBIA CL-56 Columbia returned to the Pacific, covering the landings at Peleliu and taking part in the Battle of Surigao Strait on the night of October 24-25 during the Battle of Leyte Gulf. Whilst covering the landings during the Lingayen Gulf invasion on January 6, 1945, she was struck by a kamikaze, and was further hit by a second kamikaze three days later while laying close to shore due to the prior damage. Under repairs until June 1945, Columbia returned to the Pacfic, participating in the Allied invasion of Borneo and serving in the East China Sea when Japan capitulated in mid-August.
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I am honestly surprised that you didn’t cover the heroic actions carried out by the indomitable USS Johnston
Charlie Harris agreed!
Yes, this was the crux of the battle, like Pickett’s charge at Gettysburg. Certainly there was much before and after, but the audacity of Cmdr Earnest E Evans and the crew of the Johnston was the pivotal point in this great sea battle. It’s a story worth telling and should never be forgotten.
Also Battle of Surigao Strait, last battleship vs battleship action
Nice support from the Philippines
Taffy 3's destroyers is the key for the success of that operation, without them that entire operation would be a failure. The US Navy should name a ship in honor of Lt.Commander Evans for his heroic actions.
Short mention of the Battle of Surgao Straight, no mention of the actual engagement. KM
Hoping that World of Warships finally include the mapof Leyte Gulf in the gameplay. The Battle of Leyte Gulf is the biggest naval battle in history.
And this is where most fateful and ambitious encounter that never happen.A duel between 2 giant at that time,Yamato vs Iowa
Yamato was a big ship but, by 1944, ineffective ship and not a threat for any American battleship of the era, except perhaps the New York or the Texas. You can have all the armour and gun calibre you want, US radar fire control was awsome and achieved first salvo hits at 20k yards, something that would have made any USN battleship a Goliath to the Yamato's David. At night (and a battle with wither Task Force 34 or against the old BBs would have been a night action) any US battleship would have toyed with the Yamato in the same way that a missile-equipped modern destroyer can toy with a super-tanker. If the two Iowas, the Washington and the Alabama were waiting for Kurita's force to exit the St bernandino strait the Yamato and the rest of the Japanese BBs would have been slaughtered without inflicting any serious damage, for that there is little doubt. The question is if, instead of retreating, the Yamato pushed on to Leyte and in the evening got engaged by the West Virginia and her consorts. Again the Japanese force would have been decimated but there would have been poetic justice of a different magnitude, the super battleship (on paper) Yamato being obliterated by the old, much smaller but far more powerful American BBs of the Colorado and Pensylvania classes. That is why, in Okinawa before the Yamato was sunk by airpower, the fleet that was sent to sink her were the old Pearl Harbour veterans - they were good enough for the job.
Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan seemed to suffer a lot of the same problems don't you think. An early technical and doctrine superiority followed by crushing defeats largely due to their enemies logistical and industrial superiority. Kinda makes you wonder what an even playing field would have looked like.
The big three of the axis alliance Germany, Japan, and Italy suffered the same problem of limited natural resources in their home territories. Chiefly in oil fields.
nice video.Are those Macarthur jokes XD?
What happened at Suriago Strait? I must have missed it?
I love this game as a Filipino,actually I have this here in my cellphone,they not only features the wonders of game but,also,the period of history of our world.
Proud to be a filipino here🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭
The Battle off Samar deserves a bigger mention. American escort carriers and destroyers fought Japanese battleships (including the Yamato) and heavy cruisers in a hugely mismatched engagement. The Americans fought so fiercely, even while being completely outgunned, that the Japanese thought they were fighting the main American force and retreated.
Leyte Gulf and the Battle off Samar is why American DDs were the first line I completed
Nice