The original concept for this video, which was voted for on a community poll, was “Ranking Nintendo Franchises based on their collective music” but I couldn’t bring myself to do it. So instead, I kind of explained why I couldn’t. I may still do it one day as part of a stream though.
video game music gives me an emotional response that i don't get from mainstream music. it's as you said, video game music conveys what the player is feeling!
I find it embarrassing but Splatoon music is my favorite. Even though it’s complete gibberish….that’s why I like it. Splatoon music isn’t constantly promoting hookup culture gangs etc like modern music.
Not only do I think game music is just better than regular music, but the main reason why I love game music is because of the emotional connection I have with mostly every track from a game. I'm not just listening to a track just because I think it's good; I'm also listening to it because it makes me remember the exact points in the game when that certain track played on my first playthrough. These tracks provide me with fond memories of multiple highlights from the games these tracks come from
bruh....are we the same person? you just voiced literally all my own thoughts!!! almost my whole life my playlists would only be filled with VGM, and when i listen to it, it fills me with so much emotion and takes me back to when i first played it, who i was playing it with, where i was, when i last played it, etc. its SO powerful. and like you said, it encompasses every genre of music! i cant believe im not the only one who feels this way 🤯
I only need to say this to make people understand why I love video game music so much: Xenoblade Chronicles. Xenoblade soundtrack is so good that just the soundtrack is better than most other media.
I absolutely adore the Xc ost. From slow emotional pieces, to atmospheric and lively area themes. And you can’t forget the total banger battle and cutscene osts. I listen to the ost on a daily basis and never get tired of it
To specify some points further, Mario music is apparently composed to make a happy feeling (I remember some other video talking about it; I don’t know the details because I don’t have any music degree). I am more of an instrumental guy, and videogame music relies and excels heavily at instrumentals. When I listen to most regular music, I just don’t care much since the instruments aren’t interesting while the focus is on the lyrics. My favorite movie music are those that feel like videogames. I appreciate when action scenes sound like boss battles and whatnot. The SMB Movie’s Fighting Tooth and Veil is a good example of how videogame music can perform as movie music, especially with how much of a priority Brian and Koji made it so that the music sounds like the games. One videogame community I feel pushes the bounds of music is the Undertale community, and it’s honestly not hard to see why, considering it was an internet star game and they literally made a few new genres (Megalovania fits the definition of a genre). In particular, my favorite song is UnderToad Revolution, which is a mix of the things Undertale proved is successful with videogame music, the climactic feel some videogame stories can bring to themes, the Mario-isms of the music that makes it feel intense and upbeat, along with many leitmotifs (17).
i find "brainiac maniac" from plants vs zombies a great example of videogame music just by the beginning you know you´re fighting a robot, and it goes so well with the rythm of the level
Something I simply can’t recommend enough is Kirby and the forgotten land music. (And Kirby as a whole) It has masterpieces that don’t even make the top 50 in its ost. In particular, 2 planets approach the Roche limit. Since no one else will recommend it, dirty and beauty is a masterpiece from triple deluxe. You’ll only find an extended version because it’s so underrated.
I feel like you're kinda missing the point of non-video game music, especially on the film score front. Music in film is not only there to represent what characters on-screen feel, but to also invoke those feelings within the viewer. It's making you empathize with the characters and feel whatever they are, and the music used in film can become just as personal and iconic as music in video games on that front. Ask someone their favorite song from one of their favorite movies, they've probably got one and it probably invokes those strong emotions that the artists involved intended for them to feel. Think about the married life scene from Up, or the introductory scene of Wall-E, these songs invoke feelings in the viewer that often also relate not just to the characters, but to the overall scene being shown to you and adding to that environment they've crafted for you. Even outside of film and video games, music is often there to either tell a story, express a point, topic, or emotion an artist has, or be there just to make the listener feel good. This isn't at all unique to video game music, and I'd say almost every single point in your video isn't unique to video game music in the slightest and was refined in other mediums before it came to the gaming space. Of course, taste is deeply personal to an individual, and if you feel these emotions strongly specifically with video game music more often than anything else, then that's great, but the way you present your points make it seem like video game music is definitively unique in this aspect when really it's just falling in line with other forms of music that also aren't merely background noise. Just by the sheer presentation of your points, the whole video is a lot weaker and instead of seeing your point immediately and understanding how you feel, I'm left just kind of annoyed at the way the points were presented. This is a very very highly opinionated and individualized topic, rather than something definitive by any means, and if you make more videos of this nature in the future, it'd be worthwhile remembering that your experience may be shared, but it's not universal. I say this as someone who very much enjoys video game music, but also a ton of different styles and types of music, all of which make me feel strongly in one way or another. Other art forms are art forms in part due to their music, and video game music is just but one of many art mediums in which music plays a critical role in the experience.
I’m happy to tell you I understand you. This may sound odd, but tbh, it’s the crane swinging scene from TASM 1 that is the perfect example of the first thing you talked about there for me. I get goosebumps every time I watch it, but more than that… I sometimes feel like I’m about to cry and I’ve no idea why, since it’s not a sad scene at all. That’s just the music’s effect. As a fellow enthusiast, I feel obligated to recommend ya something that really changed my perspective of music in cinematics. This is going to sound incredibly off, but I’ll be blunt. Watch episodes 20-30 of Alan Becker’s ‘Animation vs Minecraft’. It was the perfect example of the importance of score that you’re on about. I say those particular episodes cus that’s the whole arc. Full disclosure; there isn’t even music in the first few, as that was how it was in the series up til then, they only decided to do it as they went through it, so don’t worry bout that. It’s also just one of the best animation series that’s been on RUclips. By the end of it, the most common comments you’d see about it all were like ‘can’t believe Disney can’t even make masterpieces like this anymore when this small team can’. Its use of music made such an impact on me, I made it a large part of my Final high school art exam project. I’m doing nothing but vouching cus I dare not say much about it itself do as not to spoil a thing. But seriously, the buildup, the ending, don’t dismiss this. It’ll be worth it.
That was literally one of the first things the video addressed. The video explains how movies make you adapt to the character, while videogame music is based off of your vibe. So it’s already an alt take on how music should make you feel, but where videogames get an extra boost is that they can also have great stories and take from what movies use music for. Meanwhie, movie music can’t really feel as ambient as videogame music can. It boils down to immersion, which I think is clever of the video to initially set up. As for regular music, it’s good for the background if you’re feeling the appropriate mood. Most movie music (I say most because there are movies like The SMB Movie and Transformers) isn’t the type of music to just put on and enjoy. While not as specialized as normal music, you can apply the mood logic to videogame music too. For that topic though, it’s more opinionated, as normal music has lessons and lyrics.
As someone who also loves movie soundtracks/scores, VGM personally feels more varied and "iconic" or recognizable. Movies tend to use either 1) classical arrangements, or 2) "real life" music from the radio, etc. I do agree with your point that movie scores are also aimed at affecting your emotions as the viewer, no way around it!
Final Fantasy, Xenoblade, Nier Automata, Mario Galaxy, Persona and many other games have music that are equally as good as "real music" or a lot of the times better but most people think that videogame music it's still just 8-bits or they straight up mock it for being "videogame music" when at the same time people listen to "Happy" from Despicable Me normally. This has been improving a lot but i still think that videogame music is very underrated in the mainstream and whatever people complain at modern music, i just think about how modern games still pull up amazing soundtracks in comparasion to most mainstream "normal music".
Video game music is what I Mostly listen to nowadays. I mostly listen to video game remixes, or just compilations of video game music. Heck, even original songs based on video games. I’ll always enjoy video game music, because it is simply…Marvelous! Back in 2016, my parents surprised me by taking me to the Video games live symphony. And it was Awesome! My favorite music they played is…Sonic, Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda. And my mom’s favorite is resident evil (and we don’t even like horror) I remember the conductor of the symphony (I forgot her name, but she appeared conducted the Skyward sword symphony in 2011) before the show started, she said something like “Most people just think that video game music is just a bunch of Beep Boop bops, but that’s far from it. Video game music is so much more than that.” I can’t remember everything she said (because it happened 8 years ago) but it was something like that. So yeah, I love video game music, it’s amazing.
Honestly Videogame Music has made me appreciate all types of music, including that which I thought I’d never enjoy. From the beautiful scores of Bravely Default to whatever genre Splatoon is anymore, I feel like there is definitely a videogame soundtrack for everyone.
Video game music works especially well because we attach them to an experience we were an active part of. Hearing a music when you first step into a new environment, bombastic music when you go toe to toe with a powerful foe or soothing music as you do some small tasks. I have sometimes listened to soundtracks for games I could not start playing yet and some songs completely went unnoticed while listening along until I had atually played the game, then suddenly those songs I ignored became some of my favorites because I could now link them to a specific experience I had with it.
In my own opinion, Wii Sports Resort has the best video game music of all time. Not that any other video game music is bad (far from it), it is just the game that I have the most nostalgia for and all of it still holds up to this day. This is not to say that I do not like any other games' music but this is the one I love the most. But feel free to disagree with me because we all have our own right to have a opinion.
And this is why I’ve dedicated my life to the VGM scene. If any of you are fans of VGM, you should come to the next VGM Con in Minneapolis next year. It’s like a more intimate Magfest. The 10th one just happened and it was a life changing weekend!
“Normal” Music hasn’t been able to even contend with video game music today for decades. Classical music, with its focus on instrumentals and not vocals with cheap lyrics, is what music really is. At some point people started pushing instrumentals into irrelevance, and now not a single person alive has grown up in an era when music without said lyrics wasn’t made fun of. It’s pathetic, really, and only those that actually search for real music, the true evolution of what it originated as can end up enjoying the legitimate masterpieces of our time. Film scores and video games are hosts for the true gold of this musical dead zone we live in.
For me, I love it when video games reference previous games within a franchise through music, they're almost always the most powerful moments within a game just on the nostalgic feeling alone. I have Dragon Quest 8 and 11, my recent playthrough of 8 was a disaster and thus not a masterpiece anymore to me, but 11 is, there is a song that is on both of those games as well as DQ3 where it originated. DQ8 came out in 2005, 11 came out in 2017. Near the end game of DQ11 there is a scene involving twin sisters playing music, and it turned out to be that song, the song? It's called, Heavenly Flight. I GASPED when I first heard it on DQ11, and immediately the nostalgia came all over me, I immediately started to tear up. It's such a powerful song, a song that the creator, Koichi Sugiyama, made as a contrast to most other JRPG's when it came to flying music. To him, flying is beautiful, it is art, it isn't just adventurous. I love video game music, because even if I can't play the game anymore, the music can still take me there.
one word: instrumentals. At least, that's the reason I like videogame music. 1:02 that seems to be your reason as well in a sense. Classical music is also purely instrumental. 1:05 movie scores are also usually instrumental.
Goated video i love video game music Way more than "Real music" as people call it Video game music sounds way more meaningful it feels like it belongs in your body.
I never thought I would hear someone explain the difference between Video Game music compared to regular music. I always felt kinda weird not being able to connect with anything else, but video games; I'm kinda glad I'm not the only one who see's the beauty in video game soundtracks. Personally, Hollow knight is one of my top 3 favorite video games, especially the music. In fact, I can't go to sleep unless I'm listening to a 10 hour loop of Greenpath on my TV set at night.
I agree with almost this entire video. Also, I like Sonic the Hedgehog music. There's some genuinely good songs that just so happen to be from Sonic games. I bet if most people just heard one on the radio, they would be shocked to find that it's from a videogame. That's one reason I like Sonic music. Because it fits the games and also blends in with "normal music".
Super Mario Galaxy's music is composed better than "actual" classical music (not saying it's bad or anything), but because it's in a video game, it's met with mockery by society as a whole.
Couldn't agree more. My parents didn't allow video games in our house, so I would take my tape recorder over to friends' houses and record as much of the OSTs as I could.
Literally 75% of the music I hear is from videogames. Personally my favourite game music are from Metal Gear Rising, Sonic and Devil May Cry, basically because they're mostly rock/metal. If you like classical music I recommend you to listen to Monster Hunter OST. Some really good ones are the themes of Malzeno, Narwa, Narwa the allmother, Ibushi, Valstrax, Dire Miralis, Fatalis (the monster hunter world theme), Shantien, Disufiroa, Zinogre (those last two include some electric guitar you'll still like them), Raging Brachydios, Rajang, Safi jiiva and Ceadeus,
Videogame music is specially good because it has an application. You remember that application, such as what it made you feel, or how good the game was.
Awesome, just the video I was hoping for. I think the topic of this video is even better than the original idea. It's pretty hard to compare video game music of different games. For example, the vibe when playing Mario differs to the vibe when playing Zelda. Therefore, it's hard to tell which music is better as these musics are supposed to deliver different kinds of moods. Music for Mario may seem perfect for this game but it wouldn't fit for Zelda. Everyone has a different taste in muisc in general, but ranking these musics is even harder as it depends on the kind of game whether the music fits or not. So, this video explaining why video game music is the best is a really good idea and it was pretty fun to watch too. Thank you for working so hard on all of your videos. Stay awesome!
I discovered my love for video game soundtracks in middle school (2004/2005), where it quickly became my favorite music. I’ve always kept it secret for the most part, because for some reason I was always kind of embarrassed 😖 I’m now in my 30s and just this morning, I was just listening to the Mario Golf soundtrack on my 45 minute drive to work.
Listen. The very fact Splatoon music came into my life is exactly why I think I like as many anime OPs and EPs since i started watching anime as I do; to me, them and Splatoon songs are no different. I don’t understand either of them, although sometimes, the meanings behind the words are given to me. Either way tho, I’m listening to music; hence, the only thing that will determine whether I like a song or not, is if it’s just damn good music. If it, lyrics and all, just sound good. That’s why Blitz It! would go on to be my most listened to song in 2021. Since then, many of my favourite songs are anime songs I also can’t even understand, it enabled that to be possible, and then it enabled me to become a Miku fan more recently too, all thanks to the likes of Ebb & Flow catching my ear years ago. In fact, just simply the first time I ever heard Spicy Calamari Inkantation was what finally made me get into Splatoon in the first place. Yeah, ik, my irl experience with the calamari inkantation may just be the most canonically accurate effect *any* video game element has ever had on *any*one irl. I knew of the series’ existence since it came out, but it was nothing but hearing that song that made me finally go for it (well, and final fest coming up i guess). It wasn’t even splatoon’s gameplay that won me over into the series, it was its music, and that was just one song, yet to hear most the others. All those other songs I mentioned earlier, Miku and such, are ones I may have listened to having not gotten hooked to Splatoon music first, and just dismissed without even thinking, maybe found annoying like a lot of people probably do, or at best, thought sounded fine, but I wouldn’t listen to in my headphones or anything. Splatoon’s music, as such, was the catalyst to change that. And that’s why even when I’ve heard ones like Undertale, Origami King, Sonic Adventure and Mario Galaxy, I still say Splatoon (series as a whole, all 5 entries) has *the* best vg soundtrack ever, for any and every reason you could point at, variety, catchiness, lore, realism, emotion, whatever, and it sure hasn’t stopped since 3’s release. And I’ll say one thing: at not one point, ever, did I find it embarrassing. Idrk why, I realise it makes perfect sense to, since I now find liking the other categories a little embarrassing, but I just never experienced embarrassment for the one that started all that. Splatoon music. Is my favourite. Of all time. (Not that all sortsa other music, vg, film, and even just modern music like you said at the start, don’t put up a fight) I guess for all those things that one nexus event chain-reactioned into, clicking on this video is just the latest one of them, too.
Masayoshi Soken is probably one of the few musicians that I can say understand fully what the material they are working with in video games. He's worked on the music for Final Fantasy 14/Final Fantasy 16, and for the most part. He works on the boss music and brings something new to the table. Where he differs from others is that he gets a full idea of what each boss is going to be and what their approach is when making the songs. Without him, the bosses do not have as much meaning or power behind them. Literally give any of his songs a shot and you can easily picture what scenery each sound track was designed for.
I would 100% reccomend kirby music all day Even my mom likes it and she doesnt like any other video game music except kirby lol I think its because with a game like kirby you wouldnt expect such dramatic music and the story that goes along with it just makes it so much better So yea heres a short list of the best songs but there are more great ones Crowned Dedede theme Sword of the surviving guardian Trip to alivel mall Northeast frost street Star allies theme (cant get that song out of my head lol) Void termina theme (theres like 5 of them and theyre all good just long lol) Theres a bunch more but those are just some of my favs
Instrumental more then eh Pop music, can be good atmosphere, good on its own, hace voval chops of characters or random things, go off the rails, can have muaic per screen or per events so battle, location, menu for creating a profile, thrnin menu I lnow Auto Modellista (menu, arcade, car select, track select per screen), Practical Intelligence Quotient (title screen, profile creation thrn main menu, it skips to ghe full one if select a cfeated profile) and Mario Kart 8 (mode and character select then the cups so 2-3 states acter the character select with cups it rampd up) have that per screen difference. EDM menu muaic for games are great for the atmosphere and pther such. Or your get just fair title, village or other stuff. It varies what the level is, the scene, the abilities if they have sound effects. Sometimes I have a favourite sound effect. A regular song won't be in parts like that. Video game music by ghe Follun brothers can be prog rock but go many directions and showcase audio chips for the hardware. You grt auch great variety of atmosphere, battle music, calm moments when empty, more general town music, hard hitting emotional or battle moments. They fit scenes or last on gheir own. Want a space level which not Gemlik Base, want a toxic planet Orxon (Ratchet 1 even has so many good atmospheric tracks). Want a snow level many to choose from. I like the ones in FF13, Ratchet 2 Grelbin, and a few others. But I also likr EDM so some have a good chill feeling to them with nice chimes, or good electronic aspects. Racing games have great electronic music in the menus. Gran Turismo, Ridge Racer, and more. Other games have great silly music.
I think i have no game on my top 20 games of all time that don't have a banger soundtrack. Games can be fun without it, but a good soundtrack makes them legendary
in my opinion also the relationships in the videogames/tv series are the best in these days (I mean they are more trustworthy than the real ones and precisely the VIP ones, I'm struggling to digest the separation of 2 VIP couples in my country that for me were of inspiration)
Some game releases are literally like album drops to me, it's always like "yo Monolith Soft just dropped the new Xenoblade Chronicles, banger alert!" or "ATLUS released a Persona game and it comes with a free album" 😄
Same. Last month i spent mostly listening to Persona 3 music thanks to P3 even though i haven't played Reload because of "Color Your Night" and the other new songs. Persona, Xenoblade and SMT soundtracks are one of the highlights of every year that a new game of these franchises come out, and shout-out to FF7 Remake series too.
No, video games did not create chip tune, they were actually inspired by a crazy progressive banda... like, oh what was it called...a really popular UK progressive band...oh that's right, Emerson Lake and Palmer. Kansas also had some pretty crazy video gamey sound as well, but ELP came first. I mean, synths were being experimented with and really cool sounds were created through that experimentation. Not only that, I found out the first song to play on the original mario starts off with a sample of another well known song.
I'm writing my dissertation on game music and semiotic communication in fan communities, and I think what you're getting at here is similar sort of stuff. Game music benefits from an additional communicative layer through gameplay and then another additional layer through community, and the result is music that has more capacity to resonate with listeners due to being able to communicate with them more concretely. Also I think you might be a little off in your designation of video game music as largely classical, especially as you're highlighting Koji Kondo's work as you mention this. He cites progressive rock and fusion jazz inspiration - I think maybe you should pay those genres a little more attention. (There's a cover of OoT's music that's very prog rock in style on youtube by Dr Pez and Mark Papeghin, and for fusion jazz just go listen to mint jams by Casiopea - go nuts)
as a gamer who happens to be a swiftie, I will say I think it’s a bit unfair to make the comparison between video game osts and Taylor Swift, since they are so Vastly different in style and composition I do personally prefer video game music (I’ve always been more of a soundtracks person in general), but that doesn’t necessarily mean one is better or worse than the other. And also it’s not like Taylor Swift is the only music outside of video game music???? lmao I understand wanting to represent popular music with something but that just seems like kind of a vast oversimplification of what’s out there. Plus TSwift music has kind of become its own genre that’s a mix of many things, rather than just another pop artist. But anyway
You know whats better than taylor swift. KINGDOM HEARTS, FINAL FANTASY, PERSONA, XENOBLADE, TEKKEN, GUILTY GEAR, DEVIL MAY CRY, HADES, Shovel Knight, and more are way better!!
it was a masterpiece? I hated Taylor beforehand cause she was annoying but this album was incredibly written. so poetic. ig its just not for you but it wasn't trash
I kind of disagree... To me personaly, videogame music is like you said background noise wiyhout the context of the level, it loses some accesibility beacuse, without you experiencing the game itself, you have only the ambient aspect.
That is a good point. In a vacuum. Video game music does loose some of its power. But of course it wouldn’t really be “Video Game” music without the game in the first place. At that point it’s just background music.
With public radio, it's just annoying in your face generic stock. And people want that music just because it simply says stuff so people can just say the stuff along to the beat. Even worse, randomly saying the wrong lyrics can make you look like you need therapy.
Try listening to some more niche artists and you'll come to realize that there's plenty of amazing and emotional songs outside of games. I notice that most games shown in this video are Nintendo games made for young folks, so perhaps it's time you broaden your view before trying to state something like this as objective.
1:22 this is the exact opposite? modern music like Taylor swift is poetic and can be felt and appreciated differently through unpacking layers. video game music is made SPECIFICALLY to make you feel the way they want given the scenario its playing in
It feels really unnecessary to denigrate music in other mediums. this video seems like you're trying to present your personal preference as the "right" one.
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The original concept for this video, which was voted for on a community poll, was “Ranking Nintendo Franchises based on their collective music” but I couldn’t bring myself to do it. So instead, I kind of explained why I couldn’t. I may still do it one day as part of a stream though.
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It seems like no matter how popular videogames get, there'll always be a stigma around them
video game music gives me an emotional response that i don't get from mainstream music.
it's as you said, video game music conveys what the player is feeling!
I find it embarrassing but Splatoon music is my favorite. Even though it’s complete gibberish….that’s why I like it. Splatoon music isn’t constantly promoting hookup culture gangs etc like modern music.
DON'T BE EMBARRASSED IT'S PEAK
Its my favorite too 🔥
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Tentacular circus is a goofy but great song
Embarrassed for liking Splatoon music?
_Don't be! embrace the WOOMY!!!_
Not only do I think game music is just better than regular music, but the main reason why I love game music is because of the emotional connection I have with mostly every track from a game. I'm not just listening to a track just because I think it's good; I'm also listening to it because it makes me remember the exact points in the game when that certain track played on my first playthrough. These tracks provide me with fond memories of multiple highlights from the games these tracks come from
I feel this! I like game music because of the emotion it can evoke and the strong memorable melodies a lot of game music has!
can you give some recomendation with games that have awesome soundtracks please
@@itachiuchiwa-xk6nwMad World, Max Anarchy, splatoon, and literally any paper Mario game.
@@HappyAntenna-TheBlackerBaron thanks
@@itachiuchiwa-xk6nw I'm 3 months late but your welcome.
Also Hot wheels unleashed 2 turbo charged ost goes hard.
bruh....are we the same person? you just voiced literally all my own thoughts!!! almost my whole life my playlists would only be filled with VGM, and when i listen to it, it fills me with so much emotion and takes me back to when i first played it, who i was playing it with, where i was, when i last played it, etc. its SO powerful. and like you said, it encompasses every genre of music! i cant believe im not the only one who feels this way 🤯
Thank you.
I only need to say this to make people understand why I love video game music so much: Xenoblade Chronicles. Xenoblade soundtrack is so good that just the soundtrack is better than most other media.
I absolutely adore the Xc ost. From slow emotional pieces, to atmospheric and lively area themes. And you can’t forget the total banger battle and cutscene osts. I listen to the ost on a daily basis and never get tired of it
To specify some points further, Mario music is apparently composed to make a happy feeling (I remember some other video talking about it; I don’t know the details because I don’t have any music degree). I am more of an instrumental guy, and videogame music relies and excels heavily at instrumentals. When I listen to most regular music, I just don’t care much since the instruments aren’t interesting while the focus is on the lyrics. My favorite movie music are those that feel like videogames. I appreciate when action scenes sound like boss battles and whatnot. The SMB Movie’s Fighting Tooth and Veil is a good example of how videogame music can perform as movie music, especially with how much of a priority Brian and Koji made it so that the music sounds like the games. One videogame community I feel pushes the bounds of music is the Undertale community, and it’s honestly not hard to see why, considering it was an internet star game and they literally made a few new genres (Megalovania fits the definition of a genre). In particular, my favorite song is UnderToad Revolution, which is a mix of the things Undertale proved is successful with videogame music, the climactic feel some videogame stories can bring to themes, the Mario-isms of the music that makes it feel intense and upbeat, along with many leitmotifs (17).
i find "brainiac maniac" from plants vs zombies a great example of videogame music
just by the beginning you know you´re fighting a robot, and it goes so well with the rythm of the level
I already loved VGM, but now I love it even MORE!
Something I simply can’t recommend enough is Kirby and the forgotten land music. (And Kirby as a whole) It has masterpieces that don’t even make the top 50 in its ost. In particular, 2 planets approach the Roche limit. Since no one else will recommend it, dirty and beauty is a masterpiece from triple deluxe. You’ll only find an extended version because it’s so underrated.
Can't forget crowned from return to dreamland
@@pinkmarkercat overrated, doesn’t make top 100 in video game ost hall of fame
I think Forgotten Land brought a lot more attention to Kirby, and the music too. I'm a total fanatic for it, and 64 has some of my favorites.
@@rowleskids oh yeah zero 2 has a great theme, the perfect conclusion to that era of kirby
@@rowleskids But if I were to pick a second place, it has to be triple deluxe.
I feel like you're kinda missing the point of non-video game music, especially on the film score front. Music in film is not only there to represent what characters on-screen feel, but to also invoke those feelings within the viewer. It's making you empathize with the characters and feel whatever they are, and the music used in film can become just as personal and iconic as music in video games on that front. Ask someone their favorite song from one of their favorite movies, they've probably got one and it probably invokes those strong emotions that the artists involved intended for them to feel. Think about the married life scene from Up, or the introductory scene of Wall-E, these songs invoke feelings in the viewer that often also relate not just to the characters, but to the overall scene being shown to you and adding to that environment they've crafted for you. Even outside of film and video games, music is often there to either tell a story, express a point, topic, or emotion an artist has, or be there just to make the listener feel good. This isn't at all unique to video game music, and I'd say almost every single point in your video isn't unique to video game music in the slightest and was refined in other mediums before it came to the gaming space.
Of course, taste is deeply personal to an individual, and if you feel these emotions strongly specifically with video game music more often than anything else, then that's great, but the way you present your points make it seem like video game music is definitively unique in this aspect when really it's just falling in line with other forms of music that also aren't merely background noise. Just by the sheer presentation of your points, the whole video is a lot weaker and instead of seeing your point immediately and understanding how you feel, I'm left just kind of annoyed at the way the points were presented. This is a very very highly opinionated and individualized topic, rather than something definitive by any means, and if you make more videos of this nature in the future, it'd be worthwhile remembering that your experience may be shared, but it's not universal. I say this as someone who very much enjoys video game music, but also a ton of different styles and types of music, all of which make me feel strongly in one way or another. Other art forms are art forms in part due to their music, and video game music is just but one of many art mediums in which music plays a critical role in the experience.
I’m happy to tell you I understand you. This may sound odd, but tbh, it’s the crane swinging scene from TASM 1 that is the perfect example of the first thing you talked about there for me. I get goosebumps every time I watch it, but more than that… I sometimes feel like I’m about to cry and I’ve no idea why, since it’s not a sad scene at all. That’s just the music’s effect.
As a fellow enthusiast, I feel obligated to recommend ya something that really changed my perspective of music in cinematics. This is going to sound incredibly off, but I’ll be blunt. Watch episodes 20-30 of Alan Becker’s ‘Animation vs Minecraft’. It was the perfect example of the importance of score that you’re on about. I say those particular episodes cus that’s the whole arc. Full disclosure; there isn’t even music in the first few, as that was how it was in the series up til then, they only decided to do it as they went through it, so don’t worry bout that. It’s also just one of the best animation series that’s been on RUclips. By the end of it, the most common comments you’d see about it all were like ‘can’t believe Disney can’t even make masterpieces like this anymore when this small team can’. Its use of music made such an impact on me, I made it a large part of my Final high school art exam project. I’m doing nothing but vouching cus I dare not say much about it itself do as not to spoil a thing. But seriously, the buildup, the ending, don’t dismiss this. It’ll be worth it.
That was literally one of the first things the video addressed. The video explains how movies make you adapt to the character, while videogame music is based off of your vibe. So it’s already an alt take on how music should make you feel, but where videogames get an extra boost is that they can also have great stories and take from what movies use music for. Meanwhie, movie music can’t really feel as ambient as videogame music can. It boils down to immersion, which I think is clever of the video to initially set up. As for regular music, it’s good for the background if you’re feeling the appropriate mood. Most movie music (I say most because there are movies like The SMB Movie and Transformers) isn’t the type of music to just put on and enjoy. While not as specialized as normal music, you can apply the mood logic to videogame music too. For that topic though, it’s more opinionated, as normal music has lessons and lyrics.
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As someone who also loves movie soundtracks/scores, VGM personally feels more varied and "iconic" or recognizable. Movies tend to use either 1) classical arrangements, or 2) "real life" music from the radio, etc. I do agree with your point that movie scores are also aimed at affecting your emotions as the viewer, no way around it!
Final Fantasy, Xenoblade, Nier Automata, Mario Galaxy, Persona and many other games have music that are equally as good as "real music" or a lot of the times better but most people think that videogame music it's still just 8-bits or they straight up mock it for being "videogame music" when at the same time people listen to "Happy" from Despicable Me normally.
This has been improving a lot but i still think that videogame music is very underrated in the mainstream and whatever people complain at modern music, i just think about how modern games still pull up amazing soundtracks in comparasion to most mainstream "normal music".
You forgot Mario and Luigi RPG, Pokémon, and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon
Also One Winged Angel is masterpiece
I listen to music from all of those franchises. Bangers, emotionally moving music, chill study music, and beautiful solos. They're fantastic.
@@neondouble_ One Winged Angel is a masterpiece
@@SMCwasTaken indeed
@@neondouble_ I haven't even played ff7 but I'm thinking of playing it because of it's music
Video game music is what I Mostly listen to nowadays. I mostly listen to video game remixes, or just compilations of video game music. Heck, even original songs based on video games. I’ll always enjoy video game music, because it is simply…Marvelous! Back in 2016, my parents surprised me by taking me to the Video games live symphony. And it was Awesome! My favorite music they played is…Sonic, Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda. And my mom’s favorite is resident evil (and we don’t even like horror) I remember the conductor of the symphony (I forgot her name, but she appeared conducted the Skyward sword symphony in 2011) before the show started, she said something like “Most people just think that video game music is just a bunch of Beep Boop bops, but that’s far from it. Video game music is so much more than that.” I can’t remember everything she said (because it happened 8 years ago) but it was something like that. So yeah, I love video game music, it’s amazing.
Honestly Videogame Music has made me appreciate all types of music, including that which I thought I’d never enjoy. From the beautiful scores of Bravely Default to whatever genre Splatoon is anymore, I feel like there is definitely a videogame soundtrack for everyone.
Video game music works especially well because we attach them to an experience we were an active part of. Hearing a music when you first step into a new environment, bombastic music when you go toe to toe with a powerful foe or soothing music as you do some small tasks.
I have sometimes listened to soundtracks for games I could not start playing yet and some songs completely went unnoticed while listening along until I had atually played the game, then suddenly those songs I ignored became some of my favorites because I could now link them to a specific experience I had with it.
In my own opinion, Wii Sports Resort has the best video game music of all time. Not that any other video game music is bad (far from it), it is just the game that I have the most nostalgia for and all of it still holds up to this day. This is not to say that I do not like any other games' music but this is the one I love the most. But feel free to disagree with me because we all have our own right to have a opinion.
And this is why I’ve dedicated my life to the VGM scene. If any of you are fans of VGM, you should come to the next VGM Con in Minneapolis next year. It’s like a more intimate Magfest. The 10th one just happened and it was a life changing weekend!
Dang it, I live near there and wasn’t aware it was happening!! 2025 I guess ;-;
@@ledojaeger7474 yeah definitely make it out next year! It’s such a blast.
“Normal” Music hasn’t been able to even contend with video game music today for decades. Classical music, with its focus on instrumentals and not vocals with cheap lyrics, is what music really is. At some point people started pushing instrumentals into irrelevance, and now not a single person alive has grown up in an era when music without said lyrics wasn’t made fun of. It’s pathetic, really, and only those that actually search for real music, the true evolution of what it originated as can end up enjoying the legitimate masterpieces of our time. Film scores and video games are hosts for the true gold of this musical dead zone we live in.
Absolutely agreed
VG music and old movie soundtracks are modern day "classical" music I don't care what ppl say
Well said
I've been playing a lot of Halo games these days, and man, the OST is one of the best things ever made!
I had c418 Hagstrom as my alarm for about 2 years. When it popped up in your video I didn't know how to react.
Loved the video man.
@@NormalLunk thank you
For me, I love it when video games reference previous games within a franchise through music, they're almost always the most powerful moments within a game just on the nostalgic feeling alone.
I have Dragon Quest 8 and 11, my recent playthrough of 8 was a disaster and thus not a masterpiece anymore to me, but 11 is, there is a song that is on both of those games as well as DQ3 where it originated. DQ8 came out in 2005, 11 came out in 2017. Near the end game of DQ11 there is a scene involving twin sisters playing music, and it turned out to be that song, the song? It's called, Heavenly Flight. I GASPED when I first heard it on DQ11, and immediately the nostalgia came all over me, I immediately started to tear up. It's such a powerful song, a song that the creator, Koichi Sugiyama, made as a contrast to most other JRPG's when it came to flying music. To him, flying is beautiful, it is art, it isn't just adventurous.
I love video game music, because even if I can't play the game anymore, the music can still take me there.
This is perfect for me. I love just listening to background video game music that doesn't have any words and I love using it in videos
one word: instrumentals.
At least, that's the reason I like videogame music.
1:02 that seems to be your reason as well in a sense. Classical music is also purely instrumental.
1:05 movie scores are also usually instrumental.
Yes instrumental has always been my favorite.
Goated video i love video game music Way more than "Real music" as people call it
Video game music sounds way more meaningful it feels like it belongs in your body.
The story book section of Mario Galaxy hits so hard because of the music. I can’t help but cry when I hear it.
I never thought I would hear someone explain the difference between Video Game music compared to regular music. I always felt kinda weird not being able to connect with anything else, but video games; I'm kinda glad I'm not the only one who see's the beauty in video game soundtracks.
Personally, Hollow knight is one of my top 3 favorite video games, especially the music. In fact, I can't go to sleep unless I'm listening to a 10 hour loop of Greenpath on my TV set at night.
Ocarina of time and sonic ganes are my favorites
I agree with almost this entire video. Also, I like Sonic the Hedgehog music. There's some genuinely good songs that just so happen to be from Sonic games. I bet if most people just heard one on the radio, they would be shocked to find that it's from a videogame. That's one reason I like Sonic music. Because it fits the games and also blends in with "normal music".
Super Mario Galaxy's music is composed better than "actual" classical music (not saying it's bad or anything), but because it's in a video game, it's met with mockery by society as a whole.
Galaxy 2 would probably be a better example. The budget really shows in that game’s music.
@@minecrafter3448 Both games, really.
@@niko.p_original ?????
@@thelibyanplzcomeback Yea idk what did I just say. Mario music isnt popular because of Mario
@niko.p_original Not really because they're in Mario games, but because people played Mario games and heard them.
Mario and Luigi RPG, Pokémon and Final Fantasy OST are what i listen to everyday
Yoko Shimomura and Junichi Masuda are my favorite Composers
Yoko shimomura's work on kingdom hearts is also so good tbh
And yet most people that like music never talk about video game music. There's so many video games with awesome music.
We don't deserve video game osts.THEY ARE JUST THIS DAMN GOOD!!!
Couldn't agree more. My parents didn't allow video games in our house, so I would take my tape recorder over to friends' houses and record as much of the OSTs as I could.
Literally 75% of the music I hear is from videogames. Personally my favourite game music are from Metal Gear Rising, Sonic and Devil May Cry, basically because they're mostly rock/metal. If you like classical music I recommend you to listen to Monster Hunter OST. Some really good ones are the themes of Malzeno, Narwa, Narwa the allmother, Ibushi, Valstrax, Dire Miralis, Fatalis (the monster hunter world theme), Shantien, Disufiroa, Zinogre (those last two include some electric guitar you'll still like them), Raging Brachydios, Rajang, Safi jiiva and Ceadeus,
Videogame music is specially good because it has an application. You remember that application, such as what it made you feel, or how good the game was.
thank you for validating my 800 video game mp3s that i recognize by hearing the first few seconds and listen to on the daily 🙏
You’re very much welcome!
Also, with video game ost, there's literally every genre here! ❤
Dude you make some of the most entertaining gaming content on RUclips. I wish you had more subs
Well thanks to you watching this video and enjoying. We’re growing. It makes me happy to know people do enjoy this content.
Awesome, just the video I was hoping for. I think the topic of this video is even better than the original idea. It's pretty hard to compare video game music of different games. For example, the vibe when playing Mario differs to the vibe when playing Zelda. Therefore, it's hard to tell which music is better as these musics are supposed to deliver different kinds of moods. Music for Mario may seem perfect for this game but it wouldn't fit for Zelda. Everyone has a different taste in muisc in general, but ranking these musics is even harder as it depends on the kind of game whether the music fits or not. So, this video explaining why video game music is the best is a really good idea and it was pretty fun to watch too. Thank you for working so hard on all of your videos. Stay awesome!
I’m glad you enjoy my content so much!
Video game music is fire I couldn’t agree more
As a Christian, video game and movie soundtracks are a great source of music that isn’t full a subliminal messages
There are some videogames I started playing because I fell in love with their music I heard on youtube playlists:
Child of Light
Ori
Ender Lilies
This was an awesome video! You have a great voice for voiceovers. Keep up the top-notch work!🤘
I discovered my love for video game soundtracks in middle school (2004/2005), where it quickly became my favorite music.
I’ve always kept it secret for the most part, because for some reason I was always kind of embarrassed 😖
I’m now in my 30s and just this morning, I was just listening to the Mario Golf soundtrack on my 45 minute drive to work.
If you like classical music and immersive games, Hollow Knight is a must play for you!
Listen. The very fact Splatoon music came into my life is exactly why I think I like as many anime OPs and EPs since i started watching anime as I do; to me, them and Splatoon songs are no different. I don’t understand either of them, although sometimes, the meanings behind the words are given to me. Either way tho, I’m listening to music; hence, the only thing that will determine whether I like a song or not, is if it’s just damn good music. If it, lyrics and all, just sound good. That’s why Blitz It! would go on to be my most listened to song in 2021. Since then, many of my favourite songs are anime songs I also can’t even understand, it enabled that to be possible, and then it enabled me to become a Miku fan more recently too, all thanks to the likes of Ebb & Flow catching my ear years ago.
In fact, just simply the first time I ever heard Spicy Calamari Inkantation was what finally made me get into Splatoon in the first place. Yeah, ik, my irl experience with the calamari inkantation may just be the most canonically accurate effect *any* video game element has ever had on *any*one irl. I knew of the series’ existence since it came out, but it was nothing but hearing that song that made me finally go for it (well, and final fest coming up i guess). It wasn’t even splatoon’s gameplay that won me over into the series, it was its music, and that was just one song, yet to hear most the others.
All those other songs I mentioned earlier, Miku and such, are ones I may have listened to having not gotten hooked to Splatoon music first, and just dismissed without even thinking, maybe found annoying like a lot of people probably do, or at best, thought sounded fine, but I wouldn’t listen to in my headphones or anything. Splatoon’s music, as such, was the catalyst to change that. And that’s why even when I’ve heard ones like Undertale, Origami King, Sonic Adventure and Mario Galaxy, I still say Splatoon (series as a whole, all 5 entries) has *the* best vg soundtrack ever, for any and every reason you could point at, variety, catchiness, lore, realism, emotion, whatever, and it sure hasn’t stopped since 3’s release.
And I’ll say one thing: at not one point, ever, did I find it embarrassing. Idrk why, I realise it makes perfect sense to, since I now find liking the other categories a little embarrassing, but I just never experienced embarrassment for the one that started all that. Splatoon music. Is my favourite. Of all time. (Not that all sortsa other music, vg, film, and even just modern music like you said at the start, don’t put up a fight)
I guess for all those things that one nexus event chain-reactioned into, clicking on this video is just the latest one of them, too.
Music like “We can’t lose DX” or “Kraid’s Lair” are bangers. I don’t care what people say. Video game music is music
Masayoshi Soken is probably one of the few musicians that I can say understand fully what the material they are working with in video games.
He's worked on the music for Final Fantasy 14/Final Fantasy 16, and for the most part. He works on the boss music and brings something new to the table. Where he differs from others is that he gets a full idea of what each boss is going to be and what their approach is when making the songs. Without him, the bosses do not have as much meaning or power behind them.
Literally give any of his songs a shot and you can easily picture what scenery each sound track was designed for.
what about carti
Undertale, Super Mario Galaxy, Splatoon, Zelda, Minecraft... need I say more?
I would 100% reccomend kirby music all day
Even my mom likes it and she doesnt like any other video game music except kirby lol
I think its because with a game like kirby you wouldnt expect such dramatic music and the story that goes along with it just makes it so much better
So yea heres a short list of the best songs but there are more great ones
Crowned
Dedede theme
Sword of the surviving guardian
Trip to alivel mall
Northeast frost street
Star allies theme (cant get that song out of my head lol)
Void termina theme (theres like 5 of them and theyre all good just long lol)
Theres a bunch more but those are just some of my favs
Instrumental more then eh Pop music, can be good atmosphere, good on its own, hace voval chops of characters or random things, go off the rails, can have muaic per screen or per events so battle, location, menu for creating a profile, thrnin menu I lnow Auto Modellista (menu, arcade, car select, track select per screen), Practical Intelligence Quotient (title screen, profile creation thrn main menu, it skips to ghe full one if select a cfeated profile) and Mario Kart 8 (mode and character select then the cups so 2-3 states acter the character select with cups it rampd up) have that per screen difference.
EDM menu muaic for games are great for the atmosphere and pther such. Or your get just fair title, village or other stuff.
It varies what the level is, the scene, the abilities if they have sound effects.
Sometimes I have a favourite sound effect.
A regular song won't be in parts like that.
Video game music by ghe Follun brothers can be prog rock but go many directions and showcase audio chips for the hardware.
You grt auch great variety of atmosphere, battle music, calm moments when empty, more general town music, hard hitting emotional or battle moments.
They fit scenes or last on gheir own.
Want a space level which not Gemlik Base, want a toxic planet Orxon (Ratchet 1 even has so many good atmospheric tracks).
Want a snow level many to choose from. I like the ones in FF13, Ratchet 2 Grelbin, and a few others.
But I also likr EDM so some have a good chill feeling to them with nice chimes, or good electronic aspects.
Racing games have great electronic music in the menus. Gran Turismo, Ridge Racer, and more.
Other games have great silly music.
I think i have no game on my top 20 games of all time that don't have a banger soundtrack. Games can be fun without it, but a good soundtrack makes them legendary
I’m not ashamed to admit that my playlist is full of nothing but soundtracks from the Donkey Kong Country games.
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in my opinion also the relationships in the videogames/tv series are the best in these days (I mean they are more trustworthy than the real ones and precisely the VIP ones, I'm struggling to digest the separation of 2 VIP couples in my country that for me were of inspiration)
I think the video game ost have more stuff on it while the celebrity songs are mainly there voice
My favorite music has to be from The Breath of the Wild Trilogy (Breath of the Wild, Age of Calamity, and Tears of the Kingdom).
If you're dissapointed in most modern music, look up "Primitive Art Orchestra". Their songs like "Qualia" and "Heart of Cosmos" are incredible!!
I’ll look into that.
Some game releases are literally like album drops to me, it's always like "yo Monolith Soft just dropped the new Xenoblade Chronicles, banger alert!" or "ATLUS released a Persona game and it comes with a free album" 😄
Same. Last month i spent mostly listening to Persona 3 music thanks to P3 even though i haven't played Reload because of "Color Your Night" and the other new songs.
Persona, Xenoblade and SMT soundtracks are one of the highlights of every year that a new game of these franchises come out, and shout-out to FF7 Remake series too.
THIS TITLE IS EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING!
Agree
No, video games did not create chip tune, they were actually inspired by a crazy progressive banda... like, oh what was it called...a really popular UK progressive band...oh that's right, Emerson Lake and Palmer. Kansas also had some pretty crazy video gamey sound as well, but ELP came first. I mean, synths were being experimented with and really cool sounds were created through that experimentation. Not only that, I found out the first song to play on the original mario starts off with a sample of another well known song.
I'm writing my dissertation on game music and semiotic communication in fan communities, and I think what you're getting at here is similar sort of stuff. Game music benefits from an additional communicative layer through gameplay and then another additional layer through community, and the result is music that has more capacity to resonate with listeners due to being able to communicate with them more concretely.
Also I think you might be a little off in your designation of video game music as largely classical, especially as you're highlighting Koji Kondo's work as you mention this. He cites progressive rock and fusion jazz inspiration - I think maybe you should pay those genres a little more attention. (There's a cover of OoT's music that's very prog rock in style on youtube by Dr Pez and Mark Papeghin, and for fusion jazz just go listen to mint jams by Casiopea - go nuts)
Yoko Shimomura and Junichi Masuda are modern day Beethoven
as a gamer who happens to be a swiftie, I will say I think it’s a bit unfair to make the comparison between video game osts and Taylor Swift, since they are so Vastly different in style and composition
I do personally prefer video game music (I’ve always been more of a soundtracks person in general), but that doesn’t necessarily mean one is better or worse than the other.
And also it’s not like Taylor Swift is the only music outside of video game music???? lmao
I understand wanting to represent popular music with something but that just seems like kind of a vast oversimplification of what’s out there. Plus TSwift music has kind of become its own genre that’s a mix of many things, rather than just another pop artist. But anyway
I was just arguing with my sister about this.
Cool
Wow are you literally me?
Outer wilds has the best soundtrack
Finally! Someone who gets it
4:32 Where did you get that Origami King remix from?
It’s actually from the game. It’s one of the cafe themes that plays I think after the cutscene.
It's simply called "Café." I think Origami King is notorious for incorporating the "Toad Town leitmotif" into a significant portion of its soundtrack.
The music that plays in the outro is called "Sensor Lab" btw and includes the leitmotif too.
Isn’t that T-Swift in the thumbnail?
682 views wtf?!?!
Undertales ost > Bad bunny
All of this without even mentioning fromsoftware
Motoi Sakuraba also works with Nintendo.
Music is shite nowadays, especially the radio
It all sounds the same, ya dont get many unique songs these days cuz investors just wanna play it safe
Yoko Shimomura > Playboi Carti
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You know whats better than taylor swift.
KINGDOM HEARTS, FINAL FANTASY, PERSONA, XENOBLADE, TEKKEN, GUILTY GEAR, DEVIL MAY CRY, HADES, Shovel Knight, and more are way better!!
“I’m not trying to say that other types of music is bad”
Bro hasn’t heard Taylor Swift’s new album💀💀
That joint was hot🗑️🗑️
it was a masterpiece? I hated Taylor beforehand cause she was annoying but this album was incredibly written. so poetic. ig its just not for you but it wasn't trash
@@woafie lmao😂😂
Listen to more music + touch an instrument
@@woafie you cannot make this 💩 up😂😂 you made my day lil bro🤙
@@DonovanGG__ npc
I kind of disagree... To me personaly, videogame music is like you said background noise wiyhout the context of the level, it loses some accesibility beacuse, without you experiencing the game itself, you have only the ambient aspect.
That is a good point. In a vacuum. Video game music does loose some of its power. But of course it wouldn’t really be “Video Game” music without the game in the first place. At that point it’s just background music.
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Look who it is. The guy who made gumball and soos ai covers!
@@TheRenaissanceOfficial It sure is 🤣
With public radio, it's just annoying in your face generic stock. And people want that music just because it simply says stuff so people can just say the stuff along to the beat. Even worse, randomly saying the wrong lyrics can make you look like you need therapy.
I only listen to game music anyway.
Try listening to some more niche artists and you'll come to realize that there's plenty of amazing and emotional songs outside of games. I notice that most games shown in this video are Nintendo games made for young folks, so perhaps it's time you broaden your view before trying to state something like this as objective.
1:22 this is the exact opposite? modern music like Taylor swift is poetic and can be felt and appreciated differently through unpacking layers. video game music is made SPECIFICALLY to make you feel the way they want given the scenario its playing in
Lyrics.
@@yahifumeno ?
genuinely only people who don't know much about music say this
Nope, he is just stating facts.
@@rkbelmont1138 who's the singer from oasis
@@jumbojoshonmolly who the hell cares? What does answering a random question from a loser in youtube has anything to do with the topic?
It feels really unnecessary to denigrate music in other mediums. this video seems like you're trying to present your personal preference as the "right" one.
He's just stating facts
I disagree but go off i guess
4:21 Man, I wasn't lying 😉
("Cafe from PM:TOK, I had to say it)
I’d just say Metal Gear Rising Revenge, just to prove the point you’re right.
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