Thanks Oscar..I got one of those controllers for Christmas in 1975...I was 9....I still have it and its box and its still going strong.....great layout.
Hello Oscar, the setting up of your network is coming to an end! Good work! All you have to do is learn the place of each switch !!! Have a great week and take good care of yourself! Sincerely, from France. Philippe
Great video Oscar. Really like the control centre set up with the point controls on top. Fabulous bit of wiring too. That is the bane of my life! Time to get up to date with this week’s episode now. Roy.
A great watch, thanks Oscar. A real sense of the railway developing, with that wonderful power centre and multiple trains running. When I started in the 60's I ran my train set with a 'transformer - I can't remember using the word 'controller' at the time - old school terminology perhaps. And thanks for not editing out the mishaps, it's all part of the experience ! Brilliant fun.
these power centres and control centres are beautiful. I have using the little R965 controllers that come with basic trains sets, My first loco was a Parcels yard shunter class 08, it will go round the track all day no problem, but when I put my Lima locos on the track they do 2-3 circuits then Die EVERY SINGLE TIME. And I am getting really hacked off with this madness, so I have just bought a Gaugemaster Dual M so hopefully when it arrives this is should do the trick. But I have seen these old Hornby control centres for sale, now I know they work, I will think about buying one or two in the future, I mean they just look Great and do the job perfectly. Got to say thanks for showing this. 😃😃❤
Thank you for this morning's viewing! I used to use a 910 controller when I was quite young, in the early 80s, and found it nice to use. I use a HM Duette today as I like the way it can control 2 tracks with one unit. That said, it is very neat how the Hornby controllers bank together with the points levers on the top. All the best. Gord :-)
Good morning Gord, great to hear you had the opportunity to use one of these now vintage controllers they defiantly look the part. I think the H&M stuff is great and will not be letting mine go any time soon. However, being curious apart from playing with these pretty Hornby Power Units I have found myself researching other options including some up to date equipment. Thanks again take care. Oscar
Great Vid... I was bought the R910 in the mid 70s but it has never been out the box. My layout is now DCC, but I love the design from this era. New Subscriber after looking for this controller :)
That was great fun to watch. I know that I will have some similar problems getting used to the layout, that is the fun of playing with model trains. Martin. (Thailand)
Another blast from the past , thoroughly enjoyable video . I remember very well getting the 1973 catalogue, one of my favourites, at Model Rail Scotland in the MacLellan Galleries in Glasgow . In some ways it seems like yesterday. I remember the bin men were on strike , so on way we had dumped our refuse at the dump! It shows the power of the catalogue as I had just viewed controllers as something I just needed to run trains . Now marketed properly I wanted a “Control Centre” . It was Feb 1975 before I needed to replace one of my old Triang grey controllers that had expired . Off I went to Argyle models with my birthday money ready to buy , but disaster.......they didn’t have any ! I needed a controller so the guy persuaded me to buy a Clipper which was a better controller he said. It probably was and I still have it along with one of your R910s I got next year. But it didn’t look like a control centre . It looked quite utilitarian in fact and even now I feel that pang of disappointment remembering buying a new controller even though they’ve now served me faithfully for 46 years!
Good afternoon Russel thanks again for watching and taking the time to share those memories and about the control units. It's very much appreciated. I think there must be similar technologies at work in both the Hornby and the H&M units however the Hornby units don't have the same feel of build quality and the control/ power delivery is not as reassuring as the H&M clippers. But they are not miles apart possible I think when new the Hornby unis would have had much more pleasing action with its switchgear. But all great fun and they look terrific with the switches mounted on top, I could not resist giving them a go. Take care. Oscar
Great to see so many things from my boyhood railway days again! Great stuff, really appreciate the obvious love and regard you have for these wonderful models that still do the job they were created for: making little boys in long trousers with facial hair and fading eyesight still feel young and excitable! 😜👍🍻
Nice film thank you Oscar. I really luv those old Hornby Units, the idea of fitting the point / light & Isolating levers on top was to my opinion Inspired.. I'm not sure I'll wire mine in, but I will use the units to mount the levers. Thanks again.
Good morning Paul they certainly were a neat looking group of items together, I'm glad you like the look of them on the layout and they do hold them firmly in position. Thanks again for watching. Take care. Oscar
Hi Oscar, your panel with those huge glowing green lights and knobs looks reminiscent of a 1970s Russian Nuclear power station!!! I can well recommend the ‘Chernobyl’ mini series if you haven’t seen it yet! I was always a Hammett & Morgan owner and those Clippers and Duettes gave brilliant service- I never understood the ‘half wave’ function as I just wanted my locos to go as fast as possible! I have a Zero One though in the loft still with an APT that has an original chip! I like the ‘inertia’ braking on this but it seemed to turn some of my older models into poor runners and it was difficult to convert Lima locos. Way ahead of its time though but practically useless- a bit like the real APT! The best model controller I have ever seen was a tramway layout at a show that used a genuine controller from a real tram! Must’ve weighed a ton. Best wishes Ned
Good morning Ned your right the big green lamp and the grey and chromed effect finish do have that look about them, hopefully, no launch any time soon. These Hornby power units defiantly don't have the same quality of build or reassuring and consistent feel when in use compared to the H&M equipment I have so I don't think I will be letting that go any time soon. Out of curiosity, I have been considering a few other options for control over the last few months which may be quite good fun. Thanks again take care.
Good morning Mark thanks again for watching, great to hear you are enjoying the development of my railways it's defiantly not what I had intended when building the new baseboards but has provided me with a great deal of fun and satisfaction. Take care. Oscar
Another fantastic film Oscar , I love that you kept in the operation issues, obviously its a learning curve with the toggle switches as opposed to the 'Clippers' bi -directional knobs .
Good morning Adrian glad you enjoyed that, defiantly a bit of a change with the toggle switches, but I can't put all the mistakes down those as with the clipper's sometimes I just lose track of what I was doing especially when using a camera at the same time. Thanks again take care. Oscar
Hi Oscar, as a boy I had just enough of each of those control components to kind of make it work but not enough budget to do it properly so it is satisfying to see it all put together as it was intended. Really enjoying the development of your project. Many thanks.
Thanks, Guy glad you have been enjoying the railway as it's evolving, I have to say it's not what I had intended when I built the baseboards but its lead to all sorts of fun and I could not resist these controllers as they look so great! Their current price point is so low now it seemed like a good idea to try them. Take care. Oscar
Hi Oscar, Very impressive bank of controllers and switches. I have a 900 in black plastic with sticky on label for the graphics, not a patch on the earlier version. It looks like they mounted a huge economy drive on it, inside gubbins would probably be the same. Whilst the H&M controllers are recognised as reliable old workhorses, the line up that you have is very pleasing to the eye. Another bit of Sunday morning therapy. 👍
Hi Gordon, great to hear you have the later version, I think as you say the insides are probably very similar to the earlier grey version. I began to put these in on the layout back in early January so have had quite a bit of time with them now. Compared to H&M Clippers I have the build quality, control and power delivery is not as reassuring as the H&M equipment but they are not miles apart. All good fun and they look great. Thanks again take care. Oscar
That control centre with the lever frame switches is a nice update to the layout Oscar ..another great running session ..even with the derailment and buffer strike !
Gosh, I had to watch this twice to get my head around the complications. I suppose it must be much easier when you are not filming it at the same time. I began to wonder if you need one of those boards with lights showing which way all the points are set. Then I thought about the wiring complications, maybe not such a good idea :-) The controllers are a very neat package with the point levers in clear view. It must make it much easier to operate. Enjoyable and informative as always 😊👍
Hi, Pauline yes it's very neat and tidy now and I think it looks great still a bit getting used to being done but great fun. A point indicator board was one of the things I've had in mind for a while. But the wiring as you say could be a bit of a trial. Thanks again take care. Oscar
Your layout is looking good Oscar. I enjoyed this video - especially describing the operation, wiring and lever set up. I don’t think you’ll ever finish a layout - there will always be a problem point, loco, coach or wagon that’ll need attention. Congrats on another good video.
Good morning Neil great to hear you had these in the past, I think they defiantly look the part and it's the integration with the switches which caught my eye so I thought I would give them a go. Thanks again take care. Oscar
A other great video Oscar good to see the class 52 and GWR coaches good to see 910 controller i still use them after all them yours the new hornby trains like running on half speed igot the Lima Deltic and Hornby King Henry VIII from Dave both run well keep safe have a nice easter Mel nz
Good morning Mel, glad you enjoyed the video as you say some of the newer designed models do prefer the half-wave setting. Great to hear your Deltic and King Henry VIII are running well. Thanks again take care. Oscar
Noticed the change couple videos back, the level bank makes all the different. Not seen the early version before only had the later then went to the clipper as it offered two circuit controls on same unit. The layout with all the point and isolations controlled by the long back so much better. Then it’s all the better with the map. Fantastic
Hello Oscar, those controllers really look good arranged with the point switches etc above. It is interesting they feature a half wave switch like the H & M Clippers, great for slower running but definitely suits some locos better than others. It's funny how changing the properties of the rectified D.C can cause some motors to heat. I notice both the mains units seem to deliver a fair power output. I look forward to seeing how you rate these in the long run. Great video. All the best to you
Good morning Mr Snooze, I could not resist these controls as they look so great, the quality of build and control of power delivery is not quite as reassuring or precise as the H&M clippers. I think having used these on the layout since early January now the clippers do offer a more consistent user experience. I have become accustomed to the switch to change direction now, personally, I think my preference is for the centre off system, of course, that's no guarantee of having the toy trains running in the intended direction! it's all good fun take care. Oscar
I vaugely recall the power units did not not meet Australian electrical safety standards so these were not on sale in Australia. If I am wrong I hope someone from Australia will correct me. Always saw lots of the Australian built metal cased P series control units.
Good afternoon John, I'm unsure about the export of this range there is mention in Pat Hammonds book that covers this period of a unit RT42P produced local in Canada for that market and a mention of delays in the introduction of later power controllers product due to changing EEC legislation and a fair bit about the complex changes in the company involved in marketing and licensing Hornby / Tri-ang Hornby/ Rovex products in Australia in the 70s but no direct reference that I can see so far to these power units. It would be great to know more. Take care. Oscar
Oscar nice to see we are all human and we have the odd mishape, i thought this video was very interesting and i like the way you have done your control area. Alls well that ends well. Till next week. Regards Paul osman
That stacked set of control units in the catalogue looked impressive, I wonder how practical it might have been, or just a salesman's fantasy picture! I always wondered why the direction control rockers were up and down rather than horizontal which may have been more intuitive, presumably design driven by appearance, they are very attractive units as they are. We shall hold you to the turntable promise:-)
Good afternoon Andrew, I don't think I will be trying them stacked up myself! Defiantly a bit of turntable action in the next video. Thanks again take care. Oscar
Hello Oscar. That certainly is a smart looking control system. I like the expandability of it. Could you mark the direction switches for clockwise and anti-clockwise running? Forwards and reverse are interchangeable depending on which way the train is facing but clockwise and anticlockwise remain constant. That is the basis of my direction control. Super Sunday morning video once more. Cheers, David.
Good morning David thanks again for watching. I thought they looked pretty good as a range of controllers with some interesting design features built-in must have been quite a bit of research and development bringing them into the range. I very much like the integration of the switches feature. The direction thing has been an ongoing problem for me with the model railway for as long as I can remember more so when using a camera. With the H&M stuff, I had it all set on the older layouts and this one to run clockwise when the control was rotated clockwise and run anticlockwise when rotated anticlockwise and same with the turntable. I have these new/old Hornby Power Units set in the same manner but the toggle switches are marked Normal = clockwise on the track and Reverse = anticlockwise on the track but in each instance, the control is rotated clockwise to get power. Having installed these units in early January I can say that I have now become more accustomed to using the toggle switches to achieve a change in direction rather than the centre off system employed on the H&M Clippers. Even with that system, it's all too easy to make occasional mistakes I find that having the trains running around me is great and mistakes are now minimal when playing with the railway. However, trying to use a camera and talk plus remember what the plan was along with the control of just one group of models is quite a complex set of tasks to bring together. I have to admit I’m finding it quite difficult and frequently make mistakes with all aspects of controlling speed and direction not only of the models but the camera also as well as the point work but having said this I’m having great fun and this leading me to explore some other options which I’m very much looking forward to. These Hornby Power Units don’t suit all models and the quality of build and control and power delivery is not as reassuring as the H&M clippers but they also don’t suit all models. Possibly no one design of Power control/delivery unit or system can. Thanks again for watching take care. Oscar
Hi oscar another great video mate a lots of old members for me I had them on my layout in the 1970s I replaced them in 1980 with two h&m twin track units and now I have gaugemaster W walkabout dc head held controllers now I still have one of gaugemaster D twin track controller at replaced the H&M twin track units your layout is looking great now oscar stay safe and well mate goodbye for now clive in N.lreland
Good morning Clive the hand controllers sound like a great idea, its something I had been thinking about for this layout now it's this size and it would be very useful when making video. I have been doing some research into other more up to date control systems that may be able to integrate this feature and are robust enough for the items in my collection. But nothing looks as good as these early 70s designed units. Thanks again take care.
Good morning Jonathan great to har you enjoyed the video this Y point has always been unreliable with one motor and tends to stick I've adjusted the various parts with no noticeable improvement, I'm reluctant to take off one of the springs to see if it solves the problem as I only have the one steel Y point and they seem to be hard to find so far. It does not even feel that heavy to switch by hand, also tried several different motors but remains unreliable. Works perfectly with a pair of motors! Hopefully, I will get hold of a replacement shortly to compare. Stay safe. Oscar
You’ve certainly upgraded your power supply, I must say!! The final upgrade would probably be to DCC!! I shall be using DCC when I finally move home!! My layouts will be Ongar Station as it is today and the small shelf layout will be the Port of Leith in Edinburgh.
Great to see the layout really developing . Seeing those Cuneo period catalogues brings back so many fond childhood memories , will you be adding the fencing/ Minic Motorway street lights to your R408U turntable ? Always thought those embellishments set it apart from any other in the company’s history..
Glad you enjoyed it, good question about the fence and the lamps! I only haven't put them in so far as I'm still fiddling with that whole area and I don't want to damage them any further. Sadly one of the street lamps had lost is little fixing spigot before it came to be mine. I have fixed this with a wire, but I'm very conscious of how fragile they are. Thanks agin take care. Oscar
Those controllers look good. Wouldn't think they were 50 years old. I like the interconnectability. Would it be possible to wire in a diode on your layout plan with each line so you could see the route a train would take when you switched the point lever.
Hi glad you like the look of them, it had been one of my thoughts to have some sort of point direction indication on the next layout when I was dissimulating the last one. Thanks again take care. Oscar
There is something special about these classic models. Have you had these since you were young, or have you just managed to find them over time second hand? I would love to start collecting some of these myself, but have no idea where to start. :)
Good going Brendan, sadly I've had none of these items from childhood. I have collected them over the last few years. I did have quite a few Tri-ang and Hornby Railways items as a child but they vanished over time. Thanks again take care. Oscar
Morning Oscar. WOW 😄 the leavers look fantastic on top of your new controllers. The wires look great all neat and tidy 👍🏻 Have you made the point leaver out for reverse and in for normal? It looked like it when see you operate them 😂 Take care cheers Stevie 😎
A very interesting video Oscar, those controllers look very well thought out design wise, how well do they stack up against the modern ones from Guagemaster ETC.
Good morning, Rob, I think they must have put quite a bit of effort into introducing these control units to the range. The build quality, control of power delivery is not quite as reassuring as the H&M clippers but not miles apart. At present, I have nothing modern to compare these or the H&M units with. They just look so good with the railway especially with leaver frame switches mounted on top and are at a price point where it seemed daft not to give them a go, a feeble excuse! I have for some time now been thinking about something a little more up to date but robust enough to deal with the requirements of the items in my collection. I've been looking into the more robust Morley units they also have that great handheld option which would a great benefit now my railway has grown. Good information seems to be hard to come by sadly. Thank again take care. Oscar
Awesome now tell me surface mount I think they look awesome and I know I’m in the minority. Jury is still out in my current build wanted to wire in tube BUT I must ask reliability with these how have they been and are yours just plug and play straight on with the point spring left in ?
Fascinating stuff. Are those Hornby R905 later versions of H&M clippers? I seem to remember Simon Koehler used to work for H%M then he transferred to Hornby when H&M became a part of Hornby. To avoid mistakes setting the route, might I suggest you give your point switches names such as "Down Main", "Up branch", as well as numbers? Thanks for uploading.
Hi I think there is a strong influence from H&M in these controls, however they are not as well made as the H&M equipment which I think lets them down with the use of lower quality switch gear. Tanks again take care. Oscar
Good morning Gary, it's very unreliable with the one motor. Fiddled endlessly before fitting but I'm reluctant to take off one of the springs to see if it solves the problem as I only have the one steel Y point and they seem to be hard to find so far. It does not even feel that heavy to switch by hand, also tried several different motors but remains unreliable. Works perfectly with a pair of motors! Hopefully, I will get hold of a replacement shortly to compare. Thanks again take care. Oscar
On the big railways, we refer to levers in the frame (ie pushed away from you) as ‘normal’ , and out of the frame as ‘reversed’. This then relates to the actual position of the points as normal, or reversed. Normal would be where the line is expect to run in normal service. There is a way to change your paper layout diagram to show the ‘normal’ position of the points by putting a break in the line which is reversed. You should then be able to read your diagram much quicker and know exactly which position the lever should be in without looking at the track. I wish I could post a picture to show it better.
Good morning Andrew, yes operator error is always embarrassing but all part of the fun. It's defiantly easier to put thing right on this layout than the last as access is so much better overall and it's less densely populated with catenary. Thanks again take care. Oscar
Good morning Steve that's a very kind offer, at present I don't think need any additional units but thanks for thinking of me it's very much appreciated. Take care. Oscar
We never , never, referred to an engine as , " she " . " It ", would be most offended ! I had one of those Class 52's off the road . It coming off the branch , loaded with coal wagons. The driver was known as Presto , don't ask ............
Thanks Oscar..I got one of those controllers for Christmas in 1975...I was 9....I still have it and its box and its still going strong.....great layout.
Hi glad you enjoyed the video, great to hear you've had one all that time and its woking well.
Stay safe.
Oscar
Hello Oscar, the setting up of your network is coming to an end! Good work! All you have to do is learn the place of each switch !!!
Have a great week and take good care of yourself!
Sincerely, from France.
Philippe
Hi, Philippe defiantly a bit practical needed with the switches but all part of the fun.
Take care.
Oscar
Great video Oscar. Really like the control centre set up with the point controls on top. Fabulous bit of wiring too. That is the bane of my life! Time to get up to date with this week’s episode now. Roy.
Good morning Roy glad you like the look of the new control they are a lot of fun.
Take care.
Oscar
A great watch, thanks Oscar. A real sense of the railway developing, with that wonderful power centre and multiple trains running. When I started in the 60's I ran my train set with a 'transformer - I can't remember using the word 'controller' at the time - old school terminology perhaps. And thanks for not editing out the mishaps, it's all part of the experience ! Brilliant fun.
Hi, Peter glad you enjoyed that, Im sure there are going to be more mishaps to come bits you say all part of the fun.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Good morning Oscar. the control system has very neatly come together. nice work..........looking forward to your episode....all the best Tony
Thanks again for watching Tony, it defiantly all become a little more neat and tidy now and great fun to use.
Take care.
Oscar
these power centres and control centres are beautiful. I have using the little R965 controllers that come with basic trains sets, My first loco was a Parcels yard shunter class 08, it will go round the track all day no problem, but when I put my Lima locos on the track they do 2-3 circuits then Die EVERY SINGLE TIME. And I am getting really hacked off with this madness, so I have just bought a Gaugemaster Dual M so hopefully when it arrives this is should do the trick. But I have seen these old Hornby control centres for sale, now I know they work, I will think about buying one or two in the future, I mean they just look Great and do the job perfectly. Got to say thanks for showing this. 😃😃❤
Thank you for this morning's viewing! I used to use a 910 controller when I was quite young, in the early 80s, and found it nice to use. I use a HM Duette today as I like the way it can control 2 tracks with one unit. That said, it is very neat how the Hornby controllers bank together with the points levers on the top. All the best. Gord :-)
Good morning Gord, great to hear you had the opportunity to use one of these now vintage controllers they defiantly look the part. I think the H&M stuff is great and will not be letting mine go any time soon. However, being curious apart from playing with these pretty Hornby Power Units I have found myself researching other options including some up to date equipment.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Great Vid... I was bought the R910 in the mid 70s but it has never been out the box. My layout is now DCC, but I love the design from this era. New Subscriber after looking for this controller :)
That was great fun to watch. I know that I will have some similar problems getting used to the layout, that is the fun of playing with model trains. Martin. (Thailand)
Good morning Martin glad you enjoyed that is all good fun.
Take care.
Oscar
Another blast from the past , thoroughly enjoyable video . I remember very well getting the 1973 catalogue, one of my favourites, at Model Rail Scotland in the MacLellan Galleries in Glasgow . In some ways it seems like yesterday. I remember the bin men were on strike , so on way we had dumped our refuse at the dump! It shows the power of the catalogue as I had just viewed controllers as something I just needed to run trains . Now marketed properly I wanted a “Control Centre” . It was Feb 1975 before I needed to replace one of my old Triang grey controllers that had expired . Off I went to Argyle models with my birthday money ready to buy , but disaster.......they didn’t have any ! I needed a controller so the guy persuaded me to buy a Clipper which was a better controller he said. It probably was and I still have it along with one of your R910s I got next year. But it didn’t look like a control centre . It looked quite utilitarian in fact and even now I feel that pang of disappointment remembering buying a new controller even though they’ve now served me faithfully for 46 years!
Good afternoon Russel thanks again for watching and taking the time to share those memories and about the control units. It's very much appreciated. I think there must be similar technologies at work in both the Hornby and the H&M units however the Hornby units don't have the same feel of build quality and the control/ power delivery is not as reassuring as the H&M clippers. But they are not miles apart possible I think when new the Hornby unis would have had much more pleasing action with its switchgear. But all great fun and they look terrific with the switches mounted on top, I could not resist giving them a go.
Take care.
Oscar
Great to see so many things from my boyhood railway days again! Great stuff, really appreciate the obvious love and regard you have for these wonderful models that still do the job they were created for: making little boys in long trousers with facial hair and fading eyesight still feel young and excitable! 😜👍🍻
Hi, Tim glad you are enjoying the videos, thank you for taking the time to write this terrific comment.
Take care.
Oscar
What a wonderful selection of different trains!! All British trains and they’re all totally different from each other. Beautiful!!
Good morning great to hear you enjoyed the video.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley I watch so many model railway videos that my iPhone runs out of battery after a spectating session.
Nice film thank you Oscar. I really luv those old Hornby Units, the idea of fitting the point / light & Isolating levers on top was to my opinion Inspired.. I'm not sure I'll wire mine in, but I will use the units to mount the levers. Thanks again.
Good morning Paul they certainly were a neat looking group of items together, I'm glad you like the look of them on the layout and they do hold them firmly in position.
Thanks again for watching.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar, your panel with those huge glowing green lights and knobs looks reminiscent of a 1970s Russian Nuclear power station!!! I can well recommend the ‘Chernobyl’ mini series if you haven’t seen it yet!
I was always a Hammett & Morgan owner and those Clippers and Duettes gave brilliant service- I never understood the ‘half wave’ function as I just wanted my locos to go as fast as possible!
I have a Zero One though in the loft still with an APT that has an original chip! I like the ‘inertia’ braking on this but it seemed to turn some of my older models into poor runners and it was difficult to convert Lima locos. Way ahead of its time though but practically useless- a bit like the real APT!
The best model controller I have ever seen was a tramway layout at a show that used a genuine controller from a real tram! Must’ve weighed a ton.
Best wishes Ned
Good morning Ned your right the big green lamp and the grey and chromed effect finish do have that look about them, hopefully, no launch any time soon. These Hornby power units defiantly don't have the same quality of build or reassuring and consistent feel when in use compared to the H&M equipment I have so I don't think I will be letting that go any time soon. Out of curiosity, I have been considering a few other options for control over the last few months which may be quite good fun.
Thanks again take care.
Wow Oscar your layout is a credit to you I just love watching your video each week and watching your layout taking shape. Well done.👏👏👏
Good morning Mark thanks again for watching, great to hear you are enjoying the development of my railways it's defiantly not what I had intended when building the new baseboards but has provided me with a great deal of fun and satisfaction.
Take care.
Oscar
Many thanks Oscar. The control centre is most impressive. You really have made a lovely job of the wiring. I love those controllers.
Hi, thanks glad you like the look of them.
Take care.
Oscar
Another fantastic film Oscar , I love that you kept in the operation issues, obviously its a learning curve with the toggle switches as opposed to the 'Clippers' bi -directional knobs .
Good morning Adrian glad you enjoyed that, defiantly a bit of a change with the toggle switches, but I can't put all the mistakes down those as with the clipper's sometimes I just lose track of what I was doing especially when using a camera at the same time.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
the way you have the points all set up for control is awesome. just takes you back to the days of the old switch towers,
Thanks sparky107107 glad you like the look of the new controls, they are great fun to operate.
Take care.
Oscar
Amazing video as usual Oscar. A bit of a disaster caused by the the signalman chatting to his viewers whilst routing a train, but all part of the fun!
Hi, glad you enjoyed the video its all good fun.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Great detail in the video.Take care
Thanks, will do!
Oscar
Hi Oscar, as a boy I had just enough of each of those control components to kind of make it work but not enough budget to do it properly so it is satisfying to see it all put together as it was intended. Really enjoying the development of your project. Many thanks.
Thanks, Guy glad you have been enjoying the railway as it's evolving, I have to say it's not what I had intended when I built the baseboards but its lead to all sorts of fun and I could not resist these controllers as they look so great! Their current price point is so low now it seemed like a good idea to try them.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar,
Very impressive bank of controllers and switches. I have a 900 in black plastic with sticky on label for the graphics, not a patch on the earlier version. It looks like they mounted a huge economy drive on it, inside gubbins would probably be the same.
Whilst the H&M controllers are recognised as reliable old workhorses, the line up that you have is very pleasing to the eye.
Another bit of Sunday morning therapy. 👍
Hi Gordon, great to hear you have the later version, I think as you say the insides are probably very similar to the earlier grey version. I began to put these in on the layout back in early January so have had quite a bit of time with them now. Compared to H&M Clippers I have the build quality, control and power delivery is not as reassuring as the H&M equipment but they are not miles apart. All good fun and they look great.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
That control centre with the lever frame switches is a nice update to the layout Oscar ..another great running session ..even with the derailment and buffer strike !
Thanks David glad you enjoyed the video.
Stay safe.
Oscar
Hello Oscar @ 1:54 I don't think I've seen that type of Controller b4!!! Your Points switches look like a real signal box!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Good morning thanks again for watching.
Stay safe.
Oscar
all of your videos have really got me wanting some hornby railways/triang stuff! keep up the good work :)
Glad you like them!
Stay safe.
Oscar
Gosh, I had to watch this twice to get my head around the complications. I suppose it must be much easier when you are not filming it at the same time. I began to wonder if you need one of those boards with lights showing which way all the points are set. Then I thought about the wiring complications, maybe not such a good idea :-) The controllers are a very neat package with the point levers in clear view. It must make it much easier to operate. Enjoyable and informative as always 😊👍
Hi, Pauline yes it's very neat and tidy now and I think it looks great still a bit getting used to being done but great fun. A point indicator board was one of the things I've had in mind for a while. But the wiring as you say could be a bit of a trial.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Your layout is looking good Oscar. I enjoyed this video - especially describing the operation, wiring and lever set up. I don’t think you’ll ever finish a layout - there will always be a problem point, loco, coach or wagon that’ll need attention. Congrats on another good video.
Thank you very much Andrew! I think you may be right.
Take care.
Oscar
Oscar I remember have those control centers when i was a lad... had my point/ iso levers on top too...👍🏻Stay safe Sir . Neil
Good morning Neil great to hear you had these in the past, I think they defiantly look the part and it's the integration with the switches which caught my eye so I thought I would give them a go.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar yet again a good video yours James
Thanks, Jamie glad you enjoyed it.
Take care.
Oscar
A other great video Oscar good to see the class 52 and GWR coaches good to see 910 controller i still use them after all them yours the new hornby trains like running on half speed igot the Lima Deltic and Hornby King Henry VIII from Dave both run well keep safe have a nice easter Mel nz
Good morning Mel, glad you enjoyed the video as you say some of the newer designed models do prefer the half-wave setting. Great to hear your Deltic and King Henry VIII are running well.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Noticed the change couple videos back, the level bank makes all the different. Not seen the early version before only had the later then went to the clipper as it offered two circuit controls on same unit. The layout with all the point and isolations controlled by the long back so much better. Then it’s all the better with the map. Fantastic
Hi, it took a few weeks to make the changeover and get the wiring routed.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Good video Oscar that is quite a good looking control centre for your layout
Hi, David glad you like it.
Take care.
Oscar
Hello Oscar, those controllers really look good arranged with the point switches etc above. It is interesting they feature a half wave switch like the H & M Clippers, great for slower running but definitely suits some locos better than others. It's funny how changing the properties of the rectified D.C can cause some motors to heat. I notice both the mains units seem to deliver a fair power output. I look forward to seeing how you rate these in the long run. Great video. All the best to you
Good morning Mr Snooze, I could not resist these controls as they look so great, the quality of build and control of power delivery is not quite as reassuring or precise as the H&M clippers. I think having used these on the layout since early January now the clippers do offer a more consistent user experience. I have become accustomed to the switch to change direction now, personally, I think my preference is for the centre off system, of course, that's no guarantee of having the toy trains running in the intended direction! it's all good fun take care.
Oscar
Not seen those controllers before must admit they look good and seem quite comprehensive. Good video.
Good afternoon glad you enjoyed the video.
stay safe.
Oscar
I vaugely recall the power units did not not meet Australian electrical safety standards so these were not on sale in Australia.
If I am wrong I hope someone from Australia will correct me.
Always saw lots of the Australian built metal cased P series control units.
Good afternoon John, I'm unsure about the export of this range there is mention in Pat Hammonds book that covers this period of a unit RT42P produced local in Canada for that market and a mention of delays in the introduction of later power controllers product due to changing EEC legislation and a fair bit about the complex changes in the company involved in marketing and licensing Hornby / Tri-ang Hornby/ Rovex products in Australia in the 70s but no direct reference that I can see so far to these power units.
It would be great to know more.
Take care.
Oscar
Oscar nice to see we are all human and we have the odd mishape, i thought this video was very interesting and i like the way you have done your control area. Alls well that ends well. Till next week.
Regards Paul osman
Good morning Paul, these things happen it's all part of the fun glad you like the look of the new control area.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
That stacked set of control units in the catalogue looked impressive, I wonder how practical it might have been, or just a salesman's fantasy picture! I always wondered why the direction control rockers were up and down rather than horizontal which may have been more intuitive, presumably design driven by appearance, they are very attractive units as they are. We shall hold you to the turntable promise:-)
Good afternoon Andrew, I don't think I will be trying them stacked up myself! Defiantly a bit of turntable action in the next video.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Hello Oscar. That certainly is a smart looking control system. I like the expandability of it. Could you mark the direction switches for clockwise and anti-clockwise running? Forwards and reverse are interchangeable depending on which way the train is facing but clockwise and anticlockwise remain constant. That is the basis of my direction control. Super Sunday morning video once more. Cheers, David.
Good morning David thanks again for watching. I thought they looked pretty good as a range of controllers with some interesting design features built-in must have been quite a bit of research and development bringing them into the range. I very much like the integration of the switches feature. The direction thing has been an ongoing problem for me with the model railway for as long as I can remember more so when using a camera. With the H&M stuff, I had it all set on the older layouts and this one to run clockwise when the control was rotated clockwise and run anticlockwise when rotated anticlockwise and same with the turntable. I have these new/old Hornby Power Units set in the same manner but the toggle switches are marked Normal = clockwise on the track and Reverse = anticlockwise on the track but in each instance, the control is rotated clockwise to get power. Having installed these units in early January I can say that I have now become more accustomed to using the toggle switches to achieve a change in direction rather than the centre off system employed on the H&M Clippers. Even with that system, it's all too easy to make occasional mistakes I find that having the trains running around me is great and mistakes are now minimal when playing with the railway. However, trying to use a camera and talk plus remember what the plan was along with the control of just one group of models is quite a complex set of tasks to bring together. I have to admit I’m finding it quite difficult and frequently make mistakes with all aspects of controlling speed and direction not only of the models but the camera also as well as the point work but having said this I’m having great fun and this leading me to explore some other options which I’m very much looking forward to. These Hornby Power Units don’t suit all models and the quality of build and control and power delivery is not as reassuring as the H&M clippers but they also don’t suit all models. Possibly no one design of Power control/delivery unit or system can.
Thanks again for watching take care.
Oscar
Hi oscar another great video mate a lots of old members for me I had them on my layout in the 1970s I replaced them in 1980 with two h&m twin track units and now I have gaugemaster W walkabout dc head held controllers now I still have one of gaugemaster D twin track controller at replaced the H&M twin track units your layout is looking great now oscar stay safe and well mate goodbye for now clive in N.lreland
Good morning Clive the hand controllers sound like a great idea, its something I had been thinking about for this layout now it's this size and it would be very useful when making video. I have been doing some research into other more up to date control systems that may be able to integrate this feature and are robust enough for the items in my collection. But nothing looks as good as these early 70s designed units.
Thanks again take care.
Amazing video as usual. Why does the y point have two motors?
Good morning Jonathan great to har you enjoyed the video this Y point has always been unreliable with one motor and tends to stick I've adjusted the various parts with no noticeable improvement, I'm reluctant to take off one of the springs to see if it solves the problem as I only have the one steel Y point and they seem to be hard to find so far. It does not even feel that heavy to switch by hand, also tried several different motors but remains unreliable. Works perfectly with a pair of motors! Hopefully, I will get hold of a replacement shortly to compare.
Stay safe.
Oscar
Thank you for your reply.
You’ve certainly upgraded your power supply, I must say!! The final upgrade would probably be to DCC!! I shall be using DCC when I finally move home!! My layouts will be Ongar Station as it is today and the small shelf layout will be the Port of Leith in Edinburgh.
Good morning sounds like you have some great ideas for your new layouts.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Good video keep posting updates up
Thanks, will do!
Stay safe.
Oscar
Great to see the layout really developing . Seeing those Cuneo period catalogues brings back so many fond childhood memories , will you be adding the fencing/ Minic Motorway street lights to your R408U turntable ? Always thought those embellishments set it apart from any other in the company’s history..
Glad you enjoyed it, good question about the fence and the lamps! I only haven't put them in so far as I'm still fiddling with that whole area and I don't want to damage them any further. Sadly one of the street lamps had lost is little fixing spigot before it came to be mine. I have fixed this with a wire, but I'm very conscious of how fragile they are.
Thanks agin take care.
Oscar
Those controllers look good. Wouldn't think they were 50 years old. I like the interconnectability. Would it be possible to wire in a diode on your layout plan with each line so you could see the route a train would take when you switched the point lever.
Hi glad you like the look of them, it had been one of my thoughts to have some sort of point direction indication on the next layout when I was dissimulating the last one.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Witam makieta coraz ładniejsza, tabor kolejowy masz super 👍 pozdrawiam 🦁
Dzień dobry miło słyszeć, że podoba Ci się wygląd tych nowych elementów sterujących mocą i taboru.
Dzięki jeszcze raz trzymaj się.
Oscar
There is something special about these classic models.
Have you had these since you were young, or have you just managed to find them over time second hand? I would love to start collecting some of these myself, but have no idea where to start. :)
Good going Brendan, sadly I've had none of these items from childhood. I have collected them over the last few years. I did have quite a few Tri-ang and Hornby Railways items as a child but they vanished over time.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Morning Oscar. WOW 😄 the leavers look fantastic on top of your new controllers. The wires look great all neat and tidy 👍🏻 Have you made the point leaver out for reverse and in for normal? It looked like it when see you operate them 😂 Take care cheers Stevie 😎
Good morning Stevie thanks again for watching glad you enjoyed seeing the developments, the points are set as you say.
Stay safe.
Oscar
A very interesting video Oscar, those controllers look very well thought out design wise, how well do they stack up against the modern ones from Guagemaster ETC.
Good morning, Rob, I think they must have put quite a bit of effort into introducing these control units to the range. The build quality, control of power delivery is not quite as reassuring as the H&M clippers but not miles apart. At present, I have nothing modern to compare these or the H&M units with. They just look so good with the railway especially with leaver frame switches mounted on top and are at a price point where it seemed daft not to give them a go, a feeble excuse! I have for some time now been thinking about something a little more up to date but robust enough to deal with the requirements of the items in my collection. I've been looking into the more robust Morley units they also have that great handheld option which would a great benefit now my railway has grown. Good information seems to be hard to come by sadly.
Thank again take care.
Oscar
Those controllers are superb - really suit the era.
Thanks Ian glad you like the look of them.
Take care.
Oscar
Awesome now tell me surface mount I think they look awesome and I know I’m in the minority. Jury is still out in my current build wanted to wire in tube BUT I must ask reliability with these how have they been and are yours just plug and play straight on with the point spring left in ?
Hi yes the springs have been left in and have been very reliable on this layout and the last.
Thanks foe watching take care.
Oscar
Fascinating stuff. Are those Hornby R905 later versions of H&M clippers? I seem to remember Simon Koehler used to work for H%M then he transferred to Hornby when H&M became a part of Hornby. To avoid mistakes setting the route, might I suggest you give your point switches names such as "Down Main", "Up branch", as well as numbers? Thanks for uploading.
Hi I think there is a strong influence from H&M in these controls, however they are not as well made as the H&M equipment which I think lets them down with the use of lower quality switch gear.
Tanks again take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar. I know you mentioned it long ago now, but can you remind me why you needed 2 point motors for the Y point? Kind regards Gary
Good morning Gary, it's very unreliable with the one motor. Fiddled endlessly before fitting but I'm reluctant to take off one of the springs to see if it solves the problem as I only have the one steel Y point and they seem to be hard to find so far. It does not even feel that heavy to switch by hand, also tried several different motors but remains unreliable. Works perfectly with a pair of motors! Hopefully, I will get hold of a replacement shortly to compare.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley Thanks for reply Oscar
On the big railways, we refer to levers in the frame (ie pushed away from you) as ‘normal’ , and out of the frame as ‘reversed’. This then relates to the actual position of the points as normal, or reversed. Normal would be where the line is expect to run in normal service. There is a way to change your paper layout diagram to show the ‘normal’ position of the points by putting a break in the line which is reversed. You should then be able to read your diagram much quicker and know exactly which position the lever should be in without looking at the track. I wish I could post a picture to show it better.
Thanks Mark for the information and taking the time to watch it's very much appreciated.
Take care.
Oscar
Put the platform in the siding.It will make a great difference.
It's very tempting Colin to put another platform in there as well as down the long outside edge. We will see?
Thanks again take care
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley All the best Oscar.I reckon you should do both of them.
Switch setting mistakes happen even to Class 1 railroads here in the USA. At least you can clean up the results quicker than they can. 😊
Good morning Andrew, yes operator error is always embarrassing but all part of the fun. It's defiantly easier to put thing right on this layout than the last as access is so much better overall and it's less densely populated with catenary.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
After fifty odd years just found out about the wire management on the controller feature
Hi David, it's a great little feature to have incorporated into the design.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
WHAT'S WITH THE ADVERTS???
Is it an Ivatt, or is it a Dean Freight?
i have a couple of these in their boxes i have no use for them if you want them please let me know
Good morning Steve that's a very kind offer, at present I don't think need any additional units but thanks for thinking of me it's very much appreciated.
Take care.
Oscar
We never , never, referred to an engine as , " she " . " It ", would be most offended ! I had one of those Class 52's off the road . It coming off the branch , loaded with coal wagons. The driver was known as Presto , don't ask ............