Tri-ang Railways R.56 Transcontinental 4-6-4 Tank Locomotive with TC Coaches
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- A Tri-ang Railways R.56 Transcontinental 4-6-4 Tank Locomotive in cellulose Acetate from the mid 1950s which has benefited from a couple of minor upgrades with Red & Sliver/grey TC Coaches.
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Thanks Oscar, I do like how someone had done their best to get that loco running, rather than just stick it in a box, that is the great pleasure for me to get these old locos running.
At first when I saw you looking over the loco I thought "why are you bothering with this?" I should have had more faith because you have turned that loco into a useful model for your layout. I suspect that the fine flanges on the shiny coaches were made for system 6 track. Great Sunday morning video again Oscar. Thank you.
Good morning David thanks for looking in. It's a lovely runner and has both lamps intact plus the detail between the cab windows still protrudes above the cab roof which is often seems to be missing from these models, couldn't resist it... Think you're right about the wheels on the later coaches.
All the best.
Oscar
Good morning Oscar. watching your upload at a more normal time this week. Marvellous footage of one of the more unusual offerings from Triang for the NZ & SA markets.
Good morning great to hear you enjoyed the video. Thanks again for looking in.
Oscar
Good morning Oscar it's Martin from Hull in the East Riding of Yorkshire. What a joy to see your T. C. locomotive and coaches running around the layout. I never had this locomotive but I did have the double ended diesel locomotive. I often wonder if Hornby would they ever reintroduce these models again.? Well thank you again for a wonderful video Oscar. Well it's time for my cup of tea and a toasted tea cake. Keep safe Oscar, have a good week ahead and i will be watching again next week Oscar. 🙂👍. 🚂
Interesting that you had the Triang doubled ended diesel R.159. So popular in its life that two tools of it were in use . One tool for its primary Australian market and one for the UK market. It's production numbers were greater than many UK outline models in the Triang era according to the Pat Hammond book.
A search for Auscision B class would show you what a re release of the Triang model would be up against with a third release of the popular Auscision B class in HO scale announced during the last month in Australia.
However if Hornby wanted a closer to scale model with the right number of wheels then they might have access to the popular Lima model from the nineties before the Auscision circa 2010 model arrived.
Search for Lima B class in HO to see examples of those on RUclips. The Lima re run might be simpler for Hornby than getting the long out of production Triang motor bogie needed back into production and then having a model in between OO and HO scale that would be less acceptable to the scale oriented market today.
Good morning Martin thanks for looking in. I think it may be a bit of a stretch for Hornby to reintroduce diesel locomotive. It'll be a lovely idea if they did, whilest originally very popular I'm not sure it would have been many takers in today's market.
Thanks again for looking in and taking the time to comment.
Oscar
Thank you Oscar, nice running session, shame the old tri-ang models suffered with so much distortion, but it's nice to your able to keep them going as long as possible. The motors seem good and smooth. I never did have any transcontinental carriages, I must say they do look good. Thanks for letting us enjoy your wonderful fleet. Eddy xx
Good morning Eddy thanks for looking in, the issue with the plastics affected quite a few manufactures at the time so read but it's nice to have a few examples still able to run.
Take care.
Oscar
Great video Oscar we have a few of theses in are collection they are a nice loco .all the best Phil 👌
Good morning Phil great to hear you've got a few of these locomotives in your collection. I do like these early items even with the plastic distortion problems.
Thanks for looking in.
Oscar
@oscarpaisley your welcome Oscar we do have one with the lines brothers sticker on the back but the other ones don't. Thanks again Oscar much appreciated 👏
Hi Oscar,
Very satisfying and encouraging refurb video on the TC Tank. Also good analysis on the wheel variants and track issues 👍
Thanks again Gordon. Great to hear you enjoyed that.
Oscar
It's very satisfying to see these old models brought back to life and put round quite a demanding layout. I didn't have many TC items until very recently when someone passed on a box of trains. Did you spot that the coach's battery box clipped the point motor at around 25:36 too? It did well to stay on despite that! Thanks for sharing.
Hi, thanks for looking in. Great to hear you recently acquired a few of these items. I will have a look at the video and check where it’s clipped the point motor.
Take care.
Oscar
Thanks Oscar for another brilliant video. As a child whose parents weren’t railway enthusiasts my first trainset was a mix of UK and TC bits, mainly job lots bought second hand. But it didn’t matter one jot to me as they all ran happily together giving me, my brother and Fluffy our old cat, who chased it round the oval, hours of fun. Sadly I never had this TC Tank locomotive but bizarrely I’ve still got a box end flap for one. Thanks for opening the time portal and taking me back.
Good morning Simon thanks for looking in. Great to hear you enjoyed that and very curious that you still have the end flap for the box, it's amazing how bits and pieces get put away and cropper many years later.
All the best.
Oscar
Hi Oscar, I have one of those. Luckily mine has no distorsion... Picked it up from a local St Vinnies shop
Hi, thanks for looking in. Terrific to hear you have one with no distortion in your collection.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar. I wonder if Tri-ang were aware of the problems with cellulose acetate when they started production. It was early days for production of plastic mouldings and it may have come as a surprise to them. Whatever the truth, the arrival of easily available polystyrene must have been a great relief to all concerned. On a completely different subject, your verniers laying on the track at 37:32 are fine for you on analogue so long as no trains are moving (I appreciate that they are not actually quite shorting the track out), but on DCC I have to avoid this like the plague because the entire layout is constantly live whether trains are moving or not. I've had many a mysterious electrical problem because I've accidentally left a screwdriver lying around.
Good morning Roger thanks for looking in. You make a great point about leaving things lying on the rails, an easy trap to fall into.
Take care.
Oscar
Super interesting! The distortion is such a shame. Maybe a plastic or metal rod or plate behind the magnet might keep the plastic body away from the driving gear? And if it could be pushed in it's original position, there might be place left to add a reenforcing plate to the inside of the body. That may stop the distortion. However, if the plastic is also brittle, it might rather break than bend 😮
Hi Oscar, interesting footage quite severe how the body has curved in. The type of material.. 👍🏻
Good morning Michael, thanks again for looking in, It's amazing how much distortion that can be in these old cellulose acetate mouldings.
Take care.
Oscar
Thanks for this information on the R.56 Baltic Tank locomotives.
My second hand one that came with my first " set " but really a collection of lots of second hand items had the simplified valve gear as did my friends Transcontinental Pacific R.54.
Seems the Australian factory was simplifying production and being well behind UK range development. I drove past the remains of the factory twice last night. Now a storage facility with maybe a few products of the factory in storage possibly unknown to the owners. I could supply the lat long of the factory so you can look at it in Google Earth if you would be interested.
Good morning John great to hear you have one of these from the first items you had, it would be terrific to have the coordinates to look at former site.
Thanks for looking in
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley Here are the the coordinates of the former Lines Bros Moldex factory in the Melbourne suburb of Fairfield :
37 45'58.87"S 145 01'39.99"E
By copying these and pasting into the find box of Google Earth you should see the repurposed factory that is now a Storage King facility. Tested these coordinates to ensure they work as is, at least for me.
A classic sawtooth roof factory of major size taking up an entire block. By turning on street view you can see all four sides of it as though you were walking around it, including the dispatch docks at the back in a lane type street.
Hope you find this of interest.
Well Oscar, that was some nice wor but I'm left wondering whether it was the heat of the motor that warped the shell. Great running session, Jersey Bill
Morning Oscar ,different stock this week which I found interesting ,.Really liked the coaching stock ,I never liked it when first came out but time passes & attitudes change ,it looked like your loco suffers with the same problem some of your box wagons have ,unstable plastic ,thankfully plastic technology has changed .Thankyou for anther enjoyable video .😊 Suffolk .
Triang recorded that they moved away from acetate, for the Princess at least , in 1956. So they were aware of the problem early on.
Good morning Steven Great to hear you found a video interesting, the transcontinental range does have some quite interesting items, it seemed to vanish from the catalogue by the mid 60s. I'm not sure it was very popular here in the UK.
Thanks again for looking in.
Oscar
A good running session with the 'Transcontinental 4-6-4 Tank Locomotive with TC Coaches' 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Thanks, Jimyjames glad you enjoyed the look at something from the TC range.
All the best.
Oscar
It would be a good idea for someone with an undistorted loco to make some resin copies.
Whenever I’ve seen these for sale online it always says suffers from the usual distortion , soon as I saw the thumbnail I thought ah one of those .
I wonder if it would be possible to glue a metal plate inside the tanks to straighten them out? Depends I guess whether the acetate has a degree of flex in it or not.
Hi Oscar, After seeing this, I have just got to find the time to renovate my R56.. I have been "looking at it" for years and always putting it off until later.. (But later never seems to come)?
I think that they are an outstanding looking loco, and also a bit better pulling a load than the Pacific.. It's heavy tender is usually worth a wagon 'less' on a train? My preference lies with the early coaches and their red stripe through the window section.. I have a silver only set with no stripe at all, from an Aussie set (no observation coach in the 'set' though).. These had plastic pin-point axles, one of which recently wore the point away and fell out of the bogie? I have not yet looked for spares, but I know that I have some hidden away somewhere?
I was not expecting to see these Transcontinental items.. a pleasant surprise for sure? Thank you.
Good morning Robin, you're right there never are the hours in the day.. in the past couple of weeks. I have got a number of things done. I'd been putting off for months, not sure whether it's the start of the New Year or just a sudden burst of energy but really poor weather makes me want to stay in rather than doing something outside. Could have something to do with it. Glad you enjoyed seeing these transcontinental items.
All the best.
Oscar
Great video showing this one Oscar, as I have always said though it’s a shame that while still usable has been ruined by Tri-angs terrible choice of material for the bodyshell, many like to say to me that they didn’t know but personally I don’t fully believe that to be true as other things like Mazak rot were known about and that’s why we don’t see Hornby Dublo locos crumbling these days, great running session overall, keep up the great work.
The pre war very expensive O scale Hornby Princess models wheels and some pre war Dinky models were known to have signs of Mazak rot. Once Hornby were aware of that they took steps to stop it happening.
It was the same with Triang who are recorded in their First Ten Years Book that in 1956 they started with their Princess bodies to change to a more stable plastic.
@ It’s good that both Hornby and Triang changed materials as soon as they started to see signs of what was happening due to their poor choices of materials but the argument can still be said about why they used them in the first place, before triang even started making model trains there must have been other types of products made from the same material that these early locomotive bodies that suffer are made of that would have exhibited the same issues therefore showing that if triang had actually researched the material they were using they would have seen much earlier that it was not a good choice and would have looked and changed to something more suitable, because they didn’t and apparently didn’t know which I don’t believe personally we now have a large quantity of different models in the world that over time become ruined due to the warping that goes on, some of the models are still relatively usable but many are not and that is a shame to see.
Thanks oscar Patrick Quinn y
Good morning Patrick, thank you again for looking in.
Oscar
Hi Oscar... Not knocking your efforts here, but I am wondering why you chose these coaches to go with this older vintage locomotive?
The loco has always been an oddity in my opinion. It doesn't really go with any of the rolling stock that Triang put out in the early days. I believe it was based on Indian/African designs (I have two; the earlier fifties model and the later maroon variant).
At a pinch it does suit some of the TC freight wagons.
I had a prairie loco with acetate body and changed it for a later plastic one. The distortion was just too jarring.
Thanks Brian
Good morning Brian great to hear you have a couple of these in your collection. Distortion can be quite extreme in the earlier models I think they were definitely trying to appeal to many markets with a single model when introducing this into the range.
Oscar
Warping just like some of the early plastic Fleischmann locos.
Hi thanks for looking in and the info I haven't realised Fleischmann product had been affected by these early plastics. I imagine there were many products affected in that period during the early development of these new materials, I've heard early Lego was also affected.
Take care.
Oscar
When I first saw one of these in the mid 1970s they were already begining to warp. The cab roof was the first to go but this is the worst I've seen. Such a shame they were discontinued before Triang changed over to more stable plastic.
The Triang First Ten Years book lists the Princess model moving away from acetate to a more stable plastic in 1956 so there is a likelyhood that other models moved away around this time too. Some some later versions may be more stable. The maroon version, being later, seems not to be effected.
Would careful warming the body allow you to reshape it? Or would it cause more damage?
Good morning Mark I've heard of others encouraging coaches back into shape that were made of this material, but personally I will leave it exactly as it is just as nice item have in a collection.
Take care.
Oscar
Deceptive isn't it: the plastic looks like it should be flexible or at least pliable, the warping giving it that effect. I think of the number of these I've gone through over the years. Back in the seventies the little appeal they had was in that they were about the only NZ looking loco you could get hold of.
Curiously the transcontinental pacific never really looked NZ like the Baltic tank.
Anyway, have you considered just for running purposes slipping in a non valve gear princess frame? I'm honestly rather surprised it hasn't actually got one: 90% of the Baltic I had were non valve gear models...
Great to see anyway :)
My second hand R.56 that came with my second hand Triang collection in the mid sixties Australia had the non - Walscheart valve gear chassis too as did my friends earlier Canadian Pacific Pacific R.54. Being based on a Canadian locomotive primarily aimed at that market was why that model did not look like anything too much in New Zealand or Australia.
Hi Oscar, I think the painted silver looks way better than the grey plastic coaches. I also like the green version as well, but for some reason they are astronomical in price. I avoid the acetate versions of any locomotive unless they are cheap and i want the parts etc. Fliechmann had a few early models that warped too. Steven. .