German Tank Division (World War 2) - Organization & Structure - Visualization
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Visualization of a German Panzer Division in 1939 according to the planned outfit for the “1. Panzer Division” (1st German Tank Division) on 1. September 1939 in contrast with the actual numbers.
References
(1) The number of tanks for 1939 in the 1. Panzer Division is from Jentz p. 90 (see sources).
(2) The Numbers of men is according to Müller-Hillebrand S. 163 (see sources) and Niehorster (see sources).
Notes on accuracies
(1) This is the „ideal/planned“ layout of German Panzer Division in World War 2 as orderd for the 1. Panzer Division. With the Kriegsstärkenachweisungen (K. St. N.) 1103 (Sd), 1194 (Sd), 1168 (Sd), 1107 (Sd), 1171 (Sd), 1175 (Sd), 1178 (Sd) from the 1st September 1939, due to the war and a general lack of tanks on the German side the division probably never reached this setup, especially since the Panzer Division got restructured again and again. From 1939 to 1941 the number of tanks in a Panzer Division decreased by almost 50 %.
(2) Furthermore, the types of armored cars represented in the video is simplified. I know there were around 90 armored cars (Niehorster link) in the division, but I could only determine the exact types and numbers for 56 of those 90. They were Sdkfz 221, Sdkfz 222, Sdkfz 223, Sdkfz 231, Sdkfz 232, Sdkfz 274, Sdkfz 260, Sdkfz 261, Sdkfz 263.
Sources
Jentz, Thomas: Panzertruppen - The Complete Guide to the Creation & Combat Employment of Germanys Tank Force 1933-1942
1st Panzer Division In accordance with the 1939/40 Mobilization Plan
www.niehorster.org/011_germany...
This homepage is from the author of this book (series):
Battistelli, Pier Paolo: Panzer Divisions: The Blitzkrieg Years 1939-40
Battistelli, Pier Paolo: Panzer Divisions: The Eastern Front 1941-43
Müller-Hillebrand, Burkhart: Das Heer - Band 1 - 1933-1939 (S. 163: IV. Panzerdivision)
Credits
Design of the unit counters is heavily inspired by Black ICE Mod (the definitive Hearts of Iron 3 Mod)
forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...
"Numbers without context are like politicians, quite useless and untrustworthy"
I laughed a hardy laugh
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And people say germans aren't funny ;)
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Here's your tank.
"Excellent!"
It has a fake gun and the turret is welded in place.
"Bogus!"
"Numbers without context are like politicians, quite useless and untrustworthy"
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Nice.
I'd also like to see a comparison with a Panzer Division later in the war to see how composition changed, how many of the long barreled 75mm PzIV's, Panthers, StuGs etc in average Pz Dv.
+Caesar Himself already planned, did quite some research on 1941 division before I switched to 1939, but it is on very low priority right now, thus probably not coming til summer or even 2017. The US Army, Soviets and Japanese will probably get a some videos prior. Maybe also the British and French.
Military History
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Good to go on all accounts. Looking forward to all videos. Have enjoyed the previous. I find your accounts well documented and objective.
To directly answer your query about mid-late 1944 Panzer Divisions, the Panzer Regiment normally had 2 Abteilung; about 80 Pz.IV Ausf.H or Ausf.J in one Abt. and about 70-80 Pz.V/"Panther" in the other Abt. If a StuG. unit was attached, or normally part of (organic to), the Division - add around 20-35 StuG and StuH. THEORETICALLY,
Panzer Divisions of 1944 contained about 140-180 tanks and 3,800-4,500+ vehicles (consisting of cars, trucks, trailers, artillery, and other equipment). For most Panzer Divisions the quantities are less.
No two Panzer Divisions were alike; there were theoretical tables of Organization & Equipment (Gleiderung, KStN) with some semblance of standards. However, shortages, petty empire building, tactical & strategic blunders, and combat/wastage losses resulted in reality varying, sometimes way less than, what clerks scratched on paper (for examples see specific unit histories - if/where available).
Elite units (e.g. Pz.Gren.Div. "GrossDeutschland," Pz.Div. "Lehr," Pz.Div. "Herman Goering," 1.-3., 5., 12.-SS Pz.Div. ...) were likely to have greater authorized numbers upon rest & refit.
Finally, there are Kampfgruppe and attached units from higher H.Q. (e.g. Korps, Heeresgruppe/Armeegruppe). See Kampfgruppe Peiper for an example of a large unit. Attaching units could last from a few hours to several weeks or months. Thus, once you're familiar with several KStN, almost anything, within some glimmer of reason, could be attached to a theoretical Panzer Division.
The surface has only been very lightly grazed on this subject. See:
"German Army Handbook" by WJK Davies (Amazon, Ebay, +???);
"Panzers in Normandy Then and Now" by Eric Lefevre;
"Handbook on German Military Forces" by U.S. War Department; Technical Manual 15 March, 1945; TM-E 30-451 [This extensive 'intelligence' manual has errors; one is there were no 170mm artillery guns permanently attached to elite units. However, it's been used by gaming companies; see "East Front," "West Front."]
See also, www.sturmpanzer.com - scroll down, on the left side, to "German Documents" and click on "- KStN -" "Kriegsstärkenachweisung"
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Can you include tiger tanks?
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Every time I watch his videos I play HOI 4!
That's exactly why I'm here too :P
Sorry, but this is a really bad tank template for hoi4
Can someone tell me the Template?
@@stasiookon-rocha1643 not a bad template if you actually use the numbers unless you are playing a late-war game. Note that I said not a bad template.
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A standard Wehrmacht Panzer Division consisted of around 12,000 personnel.
It seems Hans brought in the Division's Heavy Tank Company.
A Heavy Tank Company consisted of 6 platoons.
A Lead Group, consisting of 2 Tanks, 2 Staff Cars, and 2 Staff Bikes.
The Lead Group would contain the Kompanieführer, a Panzerkommandant, a Haptfeldwebel, an NCO, 5 Vehicle Crew NCOs, 7 Vehicle Crew, and an Enlisted.
A platoon would consist of 4 tanks, and be staffed with a Zugführer, a Stellv. Zugführer, 2 Panzerkommandants, 9 Vehicle Crew NCOs, and 7 Vehicle Crew.
An additional division of replacement crew could be included, consisting of 2 Panzerkommandants, 2 Vehicle Crew NCOs, and 6 Vehicle Crew.
All that personnel for a single M1 Stuart, shows the true might of the Americans during the war.
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Very glad I came across this channel. I served as an NCO in an Armoured Infantry Battalion in the FDF so already based on that I have a knowledge and interest in Organisation & Structure of units. Of course, I have had a deep interest in history and the military for many years prior to my service and since. Keep these videos coming!
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This is great! I think adding reactions or commentary from german officers at the time on how they felt about this organization and the substitutions would be a great addition! I'd also be interested to know how this organization impacted tactics used by commanders in the field.
+mackalack101 thank you, sorry, no data, nor time, nor money for that :(
This will help out my history essay in terms of army units in world war 2, thanks heaps! :)
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IIRC, after *Fall Gelb*, the number of tanks per division was reduced, as it was that the divisions were too "tank heavy" and not as flexible.
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Nice presentation. Well done! Would love to see more like that for other countries too.
thank you, I also did a Soviet Tank division, Polish Infantry Division, US Army Battalion and yeah, many more coming. Also a German and British WW1 infantry division.
Awesome. I'm glad you dived into WW1 material as well. Hopefully you also provided some reference materials so that interested viewers can do some more research on their own. :) Great job keep it up !
I'd like to see a video on the German '44 infantry & Volksgrenadier divisions. Keep up the good work.
Great Video!
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I really enjoyed these videos
Really good video!
Btw: then you are giving numbers, please leave a visual number over amount of troops or equipment it is. It is difficult to follow exact specifications sometimes and it would help a lot with presentation.
Very well animated and helpful
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Super good, I recommend that you add some background music to the video, it would make it even better
+Harmless Black Guy thank you, but Nein :) there is a longer debate about the music on my other video if you are interested: ruclips.net/video/ft-dYaZKxwU/видео.html
One of my Grandfathers was a commander in the 1st. All were given the divisions diary after the war. I did read it almost 50 years agol. I'm very sad about its loss. One of my uncles lost the book. I can't ask him as he died years ago as well.
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The reason why Germans cut numbers of tanks of panzer division later was that panzer division need a lot more infantry support. Panzers making break trough wasn't the biggest issue. The biggest problem was how to get infantry following with large numbers those armor penetrations. Finns noticed during Winter War that its better to let tanks go through because alone separated from their infantry support they were relatively easy targets for anti tank crews.
Good presentation.
Great video, as always. Keep up the good work. :)
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Please feel free to go into more detail about the make-up of the Infantry regiment and especially all the supply and support vehicles.
Exellent. Thanks.
This is an awesome video.
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This looks great
So aside from the poor quality of the tanks, the biggest problems I see is the lack of tracked vehicles to transport infantry and the lack of self-propelled artillery and anti-tank guns. The only assault guns that could keep up with the advance would seem to be in the limited number of Panzer IVs. Oh, and AAA, but that would fall under the Luftwaffe. It would be nice to know what Luftwaffe units would normally accompany a Panzer division at this time.
You are spot on, and this is something that Heer faced when it attacked the Red Army with their T-34. They had to repurpose the 88s (anti aircraft guns) to kick out the Russians.
Many people forget that the main way of transportation for the germans soldiers was and remained horses, in fact...
YUP, stubby panzer III's were ineffective but the ONLY reason the germans gained ground was blitzkrieg, so they managed to outmanuever and take out the T34's...but it was painfull due to their guns being such crap.
The other problem is the lack of infantry, period. Not just transport, but there's only a handful of infantry to accompany a rather larger number of tanks. The reorganization done in late 1940 made for a much more efficient, balanced Panzer Division as would be seen in the successes of 1941.
You should make a sequel/follow up to this, showing how Panzer Division organization changed as the war progressed and resources became more limited and spread thin.
+Military History Visualized
Brilliant video, thank you very mutch
thank you!
There is value in knowing numbers, but like you said context makes a big difference in understanding the numbers. What is the purpose of a Panzer Division? What are typical missions. A brief discussion of the duties/purpose of the various units would be very beneficial. What is the purpose of the light companies, medium companies etc.? Other helpful info would be what specific tank types were used for? Why was it significant that there were too few Pzkw III? I don't think you would add a too much to the length of the vid, but you would add tremendous value.
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I have a question. How wide of a front would a german infantry or armour division typically cover? 50 miles wide,100 miles wide? I take it early war would be different compared to late war since late war had less divisions ?
thank you! good question and I don't know it yet, but you just gave me an idea, I added your question into a new made list: "good questions". Although I can provide you some data on the Soviets in 1942 for Winter 1942 (20th Nov 1942). Southwest Front 1 division for 10 km, Don Front: 1 division for 5.8 km, Stalingrad Front 10.8km, total / average 1 division for 9.2 km.
Also I think there is some info in this video: ruclips.net/video/9deICfLY5mQ/видео.html
Thank you so much for replying .
Those numbers you have given me on the Soviets are a great starting point . I crave to know what the limit of a German divisions operational front was . I see in Roberts Kirchubel Atlas of the Eastern front that on some maps some divisions seem to be covering a few miles right up to 20 or more miles.
I will be looking forward to all content of yours in the future.
Loved it! Hopefully you can do one on a 1944 based Panzer unit!
+Honey Badger thank you! Definitely on my list. Also got some good resources on it.
The sheer logistics involved day in and day out for a single Panzer division is mind boggling.
Do you play HOI3 TFH? You seem like you'd make a good player of the game. Great video by the way, keep it up.
+Tyronious ofc :) but I prefer the Black ICE mod, it is way more complex and the division setup is way more accurate. Thank you!
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Military History I wonder if you can do a video about modern army's structure, including the navy ??? and they communicate durning the combat
Im hooked.
When Germany overran Czechoslovakia prior to ww2, they captured a large number of czech built pz-35 tanks and the factory newly retooled to produce the improved pz-38 model. These were used to pad out numbers in several early war campaigns. The Pz-38s were similar to pz-II but better armed. Some divisions used in France had pz-38s as over half their tank strength.
Actually, the Pz 38t is very similar to the Pz III E and F in armor and armament.
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2 Questions:1. Will you add other videos for every single Pz-Div (1-27) and Waffen-SS Pz-Div, just to understand the change in the composition starting from 39 to 45? And, the composition at the beginning of crucial operations like “Fall Weiss”, “Marita”, “Barbarossa” ...2. Will you add other videos like the StuG’s one for Tank destroyers? In addition, how
these panzers were integrated in the Pz-Div?Thank you in advance
Could you do the organization of the Type 44 Panzer Division?
yeah, definitely planned.
Funny how you represented the supply trains with trucks rather than horses
The video left out a major component of the 1939/1940 panzer division, namely the Czech 35(t) and 38(t). The 38(t) in particular was pretty close to the effectiveness of an early Panzer III. Rommel's Ghost Division in the invasion of France was composed mostly of Czech tanks, and he did pretty well with them.
yes! was just thinking the same thing, the czech tanks were pretty good.
awesome video mate could you possibly in the future do some about the structure of british tank and or infantry unit like regiments,brigades, divisions ect thanks
+jake brown thank you. Of course, I have a lot of planned and quite some back log. Also, I need to have proper information, right now I only have limited information on British stuff, but I didn't do any research yet, so I guess I can find "something" ;) It will probably take a few months.
Awesome one of the main things you've got to keep in mind is that british infantry regiments tend to in time of war I. E ww1 and ww2 can contain way more than the normal amount of battalions not as overboard in ww2 compared to the great war for example the Hampshire regiment during the first world war had I think it was 32 battalions and numbered in strange ways.
In the case of british military formations I'm happy to help with any research into the subject.
Rock on dude
+jake brown thank you, do you know any books/resources that include a complete "table of organization and equipment" (I think that is the US Army term)? My main problem is that a lot of books usually contain just a bit of information, e.g., Jentz covered all about tanks in every unit and subunit but I didn't waste one line about how many men there were in those units. Other mention: 12k men in the division, but no information on how many men in each division.
+Military History ccnmtl.columbia.edu/services/dropoff/schilling/mil_org/milorgan_99.html this link may help also for books reference try osprey books they tend to have a nice aray of info I know that a british infantry division of the late war period contains around 13-14,000 men more than a American division it's difficult to find sources on the subject of britain division structure because it varies from year to year and with tank division are the same in that the numbers increase in armour I'll have to get back to you with some better source material
+Military History www.britishmilitaryhistory.co.uk/documents.php?nid=23 this one is a very good source I think
Did Panzer IVs and Panthers replace every other tank in Panzer Divisions by late war? And did any of big cat versions get attached to Panzer Divisions alongside Schwerepanzerabteilungen?
Suggestion: ORBAT of different divisions on your website
(Would love to see a Volksgrenadier division)
Can you do one Video were its visualized how the organisation of the Tank devisions changed tought the war?
Because with some new type of tanks like the Tiger or Panther the devision stucture also changed or not?
This stuff is gold for anyone trying to organize wargaming units!
Hey I've been looking up World War One battle casualties (mostly on RUclips oops) and was wondering why the allied casualties were always slightly higher than the central powers casualties is there a reason for this and if so could you do a video on it
Tu Amigo
-Sam
causalities are quite problematic even for World War 2, because every country uses different counting methods (as far as I know), e.g., some count sick people, also some died from sickness. Also it really depends on how often one side was defending. Usually the defender gets a "kill bonus". So I assume that the Allies were attacking a bit more often.
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2:11 - Light Tanks
2:30 - Medium Tanks
Very straight forward although by the end of 41 the divisions will never look like that due to losses etc
Thanks for the great work and detail. Can you guide me on the correct way to say: XXIV Panzer Corps in English? Would it be; 24th Panzer Corps or 24 Panzer Corps?
Can you make a video on reorganizing units? What happens when a division suffers heavy losses?
Great Video! Any chance you could highlight the use or numbers of Czech Panzer 38t and 35t in the German Tank divisions as they were better machines than say the panzer 2's and panzer 1's and readily available on the onset of WW2?
+Captain Dusty thank you! What exactly you mean with highlighting? You mean a video which compares the Czech Tanks with the German ones? Or a look at two Panzer Divisions in terms of setup with German vs. Czech tanks?
+Military History Visualized Yeah sorry about my confusing wording, I was just wondering how many Czech tanks were really incorporated (mixed) into a German Tank division in say 1939? But a comparison would also be nice, thanks :)
+Captain Dusty no worries, I just don't want to answer the wrong question. As far as I know they weren't used mixed, the had complete regiments of Czech Tanks, although maybe the light tanks were composed Pz I & Pz II, but the medium Czech tanks. At least from what I remember, this would also make sense from a logistical point, because having Pz IIIs, Pz IVs and Pz 35 & Pz 38 (t) must be a logistical nightmare. Yeah, maybe I will make a comparison video. good idea!
Pleased to meet you honourable commander of the alliance , Dusty Attenborough.
Is there any video that goes into more detail about the non-tank components of a Panzer Division?
During the WW2, the german tank divisions were multiple times pushing deep into the enemy territory with the rest of the army lagging behind. I would be curious how were these divisions supplied with fuel, food, ammunition during these frontline stretchings. I would greatly appreciate a video about this.
how do the artillery nits catch up to the tank armored battalions?
Looking to know more with the german structural unit/division in operation barbarossa :)
Nice video.
Wats is the formation of a soviet division?
Can you write numbers of member in brigades.. 1100 etc.? (my english is week)
The tank brigade has around 300 tanks, but has 3000 men? Were there a lot of support troops (repair, fueling, supply, etc.) also in the brigade?
+marshja56 yeah, each regiment had a repair company and each battalion a support column. Each company also a maintenance section and supply section, etc. etc. I know for Russian rifle division that most supply units were external, whereas German Infantry Division had them included. Note: the above list is probably not complete.
Could you make another version of this that would be a late War version of the Panzer Division? Like the ones that American forces were fighting in say '43, '44, and '45?
You didn't mention Pz 35(t) and Pz 38 (t). What was their role in reality? Replacements for Pz II and Pz III respectively?
All of that for a Tank Division? Holyshit. That seems like a small army in itself. No wonder the Germans were less versatile than the Allies after 1942.
You seem to be quite confused, as this is a normal size for a division, which yes, could be said to be a small army unto itself. That is the point. Did you think it would have nothing but tanks in it or something?
th3r3ck1355 I thought only infantry divisions were self-sufficient. According to this, less than half of a "tank division" is even related to tanks and there's an almost 1:1 ratio of tank crewmen to infantry.
That sounds like a corps not a division. I'd expect a tank division to be mostly tanks with support elements.
The British and Americans at the time were not set up like that at all, and today Tank divisions are no more, there are just Tank Battalions apart of Infantry divisions.
A division of any type is suppose to be a self sufficient unit "a small army" as you put it. The Allied divisions were no different than this, and in fact were LESS versatile than German divisions all the way up til the end of the war.
An infantry division of 15,000 for example, is not composed of 15,000 infantrymen, this is not a video game. At best, it would have perhaps 4,000 infantrymen, the rest are support personel.
And the reason that units are getting smaller today is that the nature of wars have changed, so the military must adapt. You really need to understand basics like these before making these types of comments.
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I'm a Marine Veteran and I have a lot of doctrinal information on the structure and evolution of certain Militarizes, even a summary of German tactical doctrine of WWII.
You're wrong. I was referring to the US and British Specifically, not divisions in particular. The US used primarily squared and triangular divisions until the early 21st Century - the Marine Corps still uses triangular divisions but the Army places more organizational emphasis on the Brigades now..... so the smaller units have become even more self-sufficient than back in WWII.
Here's a diagram of a US Infantry Division from WWII
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/United_States_World_War_II_Infantry_Division_1942_Structure.png
and here's a break down of Armored divisions of WWII
www.warandtactics.com/smf/toe-world-war-2-allied/us-armored-divsion-toes/?wap2
Notice anything?
There is not a 1:1 ratio of Tank crewmen to Infantry in the latter who make up half the division. Armored elements are the mainstay of the Unit. The three artillery battalions are the next biggest component, but each one is about half the size of the armored units. (Tanks and other track units). Today infantry makes up just one battalion of the whole division.
and you were wrong about the Infantry Division. Depending on the time frame, about 3/4 - 4/5's of the division *was* infantry, not 4,000 out of 15,000 men as you suggested. Support elements are much smaller than the core elements of whatever division.
Divisions aren't actually operationally self-sufficient. When there is a war you don't send a division over seas by itself. It's apart of an expeditionary force, expeditionary brigade (like in the marine corps), a Corps, an Army etc. When in theater they have contact and supply trains with higher HQ and adjacent Units, so they aren't just doing their own thing - they are the basic unit of a bigger machine - though today that has moved down to the Brigades with the US Army and most Militaries and the Regiments for the Marine Corps.
I think you misunderstood the context for "versatile" German divisions in WWII were more "bulky" than Allied, so they had a harder time adjusting. The moved with a much quicker pace in the early parts of the war, but they were designed as shock units and not with the thought of sustaining operations for years at a time - and because of that, weren't able to adjust to the new, more mobile battlefield that was developing. This makes it obvious why - even a Tank division only has 3,000 men in armored units. The remaining 9,000 has to be dragged along with them wherever ever they go,, and this proved taxing for the Germans.
So take your video games comment, and shove it up your ass.
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LMAO talk about an overreaction, i must've hit a nerve. Congrats on being able to copy and paste, but it is you that needs to know how to use proper terms like "versatile" if you want to make a point across properly. I dont have the desire nor time to get into an argument with you over divisional organization and composition and their uses, but it was clear from your earlier comment that you're limited in your supposed knowledge of the purposes of the divisional system and its composition during the 2nd World War, you didn't even know that basic fact.
This channel has a divisional breakdown of the composition of US armored division pre 1943. You might wanna check it out and educate yourself, cause it was pretty much had the same idea in its composition as a German panzer division. I wasn't the only one that pointed it out to you either, so why dont you calm your ass down and smoke a blunt or whatever it is you need to do.
What about Infantry Brigade, how was it organized?
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+onuralp demir thank you!
Can you do a video on military education - West Point etc. thanks!
not really on my list, maybe at some point, but unlikely.
Would love to see a video on Waffen SS Panzer companies of 1944 (D-Day) it would help with building my wargaming forces more accurately.
Were other countries' armoured divisions organised similarly?
Military History Visualized, could you do organization, structure and more importantly, amount of equipment of modern dvisions? I'm quite confused often at how much amount of gear it actually has and I would love to have a video to clear things up. If that is not exactly ''historic'', could you do to more modern, cold war divisions instead of modern brigade structure? If not, could you at least link me to good sources which would give me this information for further analysis?
at one point I will cover more modern divisions, but no guarantee for 2016, although quite likely.
I think it’s important to note that panzer divisions never had 100% operational capability, especially on the Eastern Front, but then again it’s hard to gauge if you don’t have hard statistics
I'm not sure whether I just missed it, but how many soldiers were part of the 1st Panzer division on average and what roles did they have?
like x amount infantry on foot, y amount infantry on bikes, z tank crewmembers, same for art, anti tank and recon, repair, supplies, so on?
Gamer/Diamond_s well nothing on foot, that was to slow, the number is given at the begin of the video
They should’ve used artillery only
it's amazing how they had so much early success relying on crap such as Panzer I and IIs
Can you make this for hoi4?
Kind of, you can make exactly this in HoI3 and you can kind of get somewhere close to what you can pretend is a rough representation of the idea of this in HoI4. XD
i often play HoI3 as Germany and try to keep as close to historical precedents as possible.
except i don''t waste time on Bizmarck nor Tirpitz. i build a fleet of u-boats with a decent medium range for atlantic commerse raiding
But there is a bug in HoI3 that makes the USSR invincible. Although they have a phenomenal manpower output annually, the game seems to increase that figure exponentially.
I followed Mannstein's plan for the Ardennes by moving the 11 Pz Divs into their operational positions the day after the attack against Holland. Once the Allies have moved up to the Dyle Line i let loose my Panzers and , tbh? i had no idea just how difficult it was for Guderian and his fellow Pz COs to rely on their engineer and Motorised Inf. Divs to support them to get over the bridges for the final breakout.
I also noticed that large numbers of Me109s and He111s suffered quite a few losses though the German Luftwaffe had enormous resources to rely upon and many aircraft and pilots were mostly damaged and out of action for several months. It seems the open cockpit of the standard French fighter did an amazing job of handling Stukas and bombers though suffered greatly against a vastly superior Me109 force. To think the French were still using open cockpit fighters in 1940 is quite astonishing.
I also noticed that after i gave up ALL my technological and doctrinal plans to Italy - i gave them everything Germany had advances in - that Italy easily marched into Greece and controlled the east coastline that runs parallel to the Italian eastern coastline.
In summary, i simply treated Germany and Italy [ and later, Japan, ] in the same way that the USA and UK and Commonwealth in the same way in that they shared almost all information w each other, eg, the Mustang or P38 Lightning might never have appeared if not for the combined efforts of their airforce development teams.
I am looking forward to playing HoI4 as i believe there is counter intelligence/sabotage/spies etc, which should seriously have been incorporated in the earlier HoI series.
I just downloaded HOI 2 &3 off of Steam and was wondering how difficult of a game they are to play.
Narred Darr This notice may come a bit too late to you, but HOI 4 eliminates the intelligence panels from HOI 3 completely. They also destroyed the trade system. I am disappointed in HOI 4 except for aces, graphics, and elimination of HQs.
JVT_RedBaron speaks intelligence is still in research, so it’s somewhat there. Trade has been completely overhauled though
they used propelled artilhery as a separated division?
Numbers of Trucks and Halftracks in the division?
phenomenal organisers but you could see the weakness or flaw that led to the german undoing. While the u.s primarily, and somewhat britain, could fill their divisions with their latest and best tanks and equipment, here we see the german forces being under served by the industrial base and having to fill strength gaps with weaker tanks like the panzer 1.
They got better :)
Notice, that the structure presented here was used at the start of the World War II. To the begin of the french campagne germans have replaced most Pz I and Pz II with more capable Pz III and IV or at least with Skoda-Tanks 35(t) and 38(t). Later, sometime before invasion into USSR, they rethought the whole structure of the division, leaving it with only one Panzer-regiment of two or three Panzer-batallions. The second Panzer-regiment was not just removed but replaced with the second motorized regiment, thus, increasing significantly the strength of motorized infantry in the division. This new structure was more balanced and has prooven well in Soviet Union. Only downside at the time was that all but one Pz-division with 3 Pz-batallions (209 tanks total) were equipped mostly with weaker Skoda-Tanks. Other divisions, equipped with better Pz III and IV, had (with one exeption) only two Pz-batallions (147 tanks total).
No, the Pz I and Pz II were both used in May-Jun 1940 campaign in the West. However the panzer divisions were individually balanced for the job each would be doing. The 3 intended for the drive into Holland and Belgium were lightly equipped with large numbers of Pz I's and Pz II's and only small numbers of Pz III's and Pz IV's, because the Dutch and Belgian armies had limited anti-tank capability. The 7 divisions intended for the main thrust through the Ardennes into France had most of the heavier Pz III's and Pz IV's, and the Czech Pz 35(t) and Pz 38(t).
Is there video about theoretical 1945 Panzer division organisation and structure?
not yet
Hast du die Symbole aus Hearts of Iron? Oder wurden die so auch im echten Leben benutzt?
Gutes Video, weiter so! :)
+Hōtarō Oreki beides, also Hearts of Iron hat sie von der NATO, allerdings ist mein Design defacto ne Kopie vom Black Ice Design, Black Ice ist ein HOI3 mod.
danke!
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Danke für die schnelle Antwort. Ich hoffe du bekommst noch sehr viele Abonnenten hinzu!
+Hōtarō Oreki gern geschehen, danke, fleißig teilen und liken hilft. RUclips is dazu übergegangen meine letzten beiden videos automatisch für Monetarisierung zu sperren :( wenn das so weiter geht werd ich den Channel wohl schmeißen.
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Schon den Support angeschrieben woran das liegen kann?
+Hōtarō Oreki Achtung Drama:
das Problem ist 1) es gibt keinen google support für normale Channels, erst ab 900.000 mins / 90 days watch time gibts nen eigenen Contact Button. 2) Google hat ne policy, dass man nur auf "advertiser friendly"-content videos Werbung schalten kann. Die guidelines sind absolut vage, aber generell ist mal Krieg dabei. Natürlich sind Kriegsspiele und alles andere ausgenommen (oder es liegt daran, dass die Channels groß genug sind). 3) Das System wird vermutlich ständig angepasst, zumindest würde das Erklären wieso mein erstes Video ca. 10 mal den Status gewechselt. 4) Das System ist von einem absoluten Drecks****** designed worden, weil es gibt NULL absolut keine Information bzgl. wieso es gemacht wird oder nicht. 5) Ich kann nachvollziehen wieso gewisse Videos nicht "ok" sind, allerdings ist auch mein Staff Briefing geflagged worden, wo ich NICHT über Krieg, Gewalt oder sonstwas problematisches spreche. Ebenso meine 2 test videos heute, die einfach 20 Sekunden lang waren.
Es ist einfach total frustrierend 20 Stunden an einem Video zu arbeiten und dann einfach mitzukriegen, dass es deaktiviert wird, ohne Angabe von Gründen und in einer Welt wo Milliarden für Waffen und Krieg aus dem Fenster geschmiessen werden, aber wehe man spricht drüber. NEIN.
Drama Ende.
what was the recon tank again
on the first example you gave i didn't understand what you said. there where twelve Panzer whats?
Befehlswagen
This one's pretty inetresting to me. I learned the word '(der) Befehl' from those parodies of the movie Der Untergang, long before I actually began learning German systematically.
Befehlswagen is the german term of an commanding tank.
What are the differences Panzergrenadier and infantry in Panzer Division?