Hundreds Of Truck Drivers Get Put Out Of Service For Using Personal Conveyance Wrong In America 🤯
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The people writing these laws and enforcing these laws have never been behind the wheel of a truck, thats the real issue here
You mean like the people who are shocked that you don't shower at home. So many times after telling someone I was out 6 or 7 weeks at a time, they would ask that. Or ask why don't you take your lunch from home.
This is the government for you out of touch with just about everything everyday people have to deal with . You my not be into it but check out all the mindless gun ban crap they are pushing. While they have armed security and want your vote.
truck driving is being overrun with way too much politics
100%
Im glad i drive an elog exempt truck,'96 kw.I dont need the government when i can drive,sleep,take a crap etc......If im tired i take a nap otherwise i drive safely.Never remember taking a 10 hr break unless i was laid over.The DOT is not the answer,it is the problem with a bunch of pencil pushers who never been in a truck
Give it a couple of months they'll outlaw those trucks
@@User37717nah...But you wish they would. No way you can compete with a man not under the government thumb.
I'm glad I run under the 150 mile short haul exemption.
So you can't use your tractor for nothing personal then... It's time for me to find something else to do... Trucking getting ridiculous with all these BS rules...
It's sad cause alot of law enforcement won't know the PC Rules. You have to get the ticket and fight it in dataQ
Of course you can. How did you get that you can't?
Perhaps you should if your reading comprehension level is that low
I think the biggest problem is that hardly any of the DOT officers know what they are enforcing and alot of the Rules that drivers have to comply by can be interpetid how the officer wants to
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Public servant out of control+ rape USA constitution is a crime+ harm injury and punish against the law (+)
There should be no interpretation by any officer it should only be enforced as it's written no other way.
Yup, and they give you a warning so you can’t even get a court to interpret the law. This is why non elected officials shouldn’t write laws.
Anything twisted enough to get quota pirate performance reviews
DOT officer wants to enforce the law, and they do not even know it...
There are too many laws and government workers if you have to ask questions.
If you want to learn the rules , then study the rules on your daily off time , you ain’t driving but 7 hours a day anyway
@@sfsfuzzy3597😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Trucking is NOT a production line....it can't be started or stopped on a dime.
I got a warning. Trooper wouldn't give me a ticket so i called the barracks and talked to i think the captain and he removed the warning
Never ever mention that you are fatigued, ill or tired while talking to any DOT or Police officer.
A lot do not understand the rule
Why is that?
@@ernestcotton9324Can You elaborate?
@@Lone_Wolf_91It’s basically like admitting you’re impaired or under influence
Admitting that you pulled over because you were feeling ill is lawfully acceptable
This is the reason i left this industry. Make it up as you go rules.
Lol, yup.
I agree im about to leave this crap it is a bunch of rules and money scandals
I've never had trouble with cops harassing me for bobtailing. I own my truck, if I'm not under a load, I'm not working. My truck is my personal vehicle. Wanna see the title?
The way the rules read, if you are conducting business in your truck (example, bobtailing to get an oil change on a 34), you cannot use PC.
😂😂😂💯🫵🏽😆
@@chrissmyers2884prove it
I collect movie , Starbucks , 7/11 etc . receipts with a time stamp just for that specific purpose so in case any of them tries to write me up for some BS like “improper use of PC” I already got every evidence possible
@chrissmyers2884 getting an oil change while using it as a personal vehicle?
Too many dumb rules, leave truckers alone. All this is a money grab, if you are off duty you should be able to use it.
yep
Logs should be done away with completely
@@HMMELDyes indeed.These rat bastards don’t think we are smart to know when we are tired .
Every DOT officer interprets PC differently, so I try not to use it at all.
Frfr😂😂💯 only if it's an emergency!!
I never have used it in three years. It's called planning your day and if a delay arises then you have to replan the rest of the day.
I'm always aware of the closest place I can park, whether a side street or like a commercial business area. No one's going to bother you there overnight.
@@SlimShady771 And you plan for traffic jams, no doubt, or emergencies, break-downs, accidents, weather, mechanical failure.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help....
Terrifying...
Don't for get to decline your Social Security and Medicare.
I dunno why they just can't write this stuff in plain English. No law should be left for interpretation, it should be clear to all. I mean, let's face it... Some people aren't to bright.
They do it on purpose to make it the interpretation of the cop. Rules should be simple I agree. If your not working, drive where u want and if you're working, you can only drive to get food or something. Lol.
@@MuthaTrucker And I agree 100 percent. Years ago I used PC every day to go from a third party terminal in Indianapolis to my home in Dayton Ohio. No one ever said a word. Should I be in jail? 😂
Revenue... Plain and simple
It's a rule, not a law, and no, they are not the same.
@@warrenb71driving from a terminal to your home is absolutely allowed. You would not be in jail because you did nothing wrong
That DOT interview was with Trucking Life With Shawn. Great channel! 👍
Thanks brother
Time to give up the wheel and let DOT sit on the side of the road 😂 this industry is Cooked the money ain’t worth it and the time ain’t 🫡💨💨💨
Yup, and many states are trying to push bills through to allow undocumented immigrants to obtain a CDL. They're already allowed to get a regular drivers license in almost 20 states. Our borders are wide open and these guys are willing to work for low wages. Once they're able to obtain a CDL, trucking will become another minimum wage job.
“I sleep in my own bed at home every night and although I know that you got loaded late and couldn’t find a truck stop to park at and you’ve been driving for an hour to find a place to safely park, I’m gonna have to give you a ticket for parking on an on/off ramp. There’s signs posted saying no parking.” I got a better idea. How about you go after people cutting off trucks or people hogging up the left lane, causing congestion and increasing the risk of accidents.
I got a ticket for using the PC time wrong in Wisconsin. Put me out for ten hours and missed the load drop. Got a 200 dollar ticket.
How did u use it
@@victoriazurita390 I used it to get breakfast 3 times in the morning through the week. It was over 30 minutes each time SMH
@@user-jc6fu8cb5gyou didn't do anything wrong. The ticket is invalid. Report it.
Shippers should accommodate at least 5 trucks for overnight parking conducting usual business.
Recently the Biden Administration changed the PC rules to let you go to a restaurant to get food. There is no restriction whether or not you are under dispatch, or whether or not you are advancing the load. This was a concession to the Unions who objected that drivers were having problems getting food.
Nothing to do with Biden though
I do this everyday. I drop my tanker which usually takes 2 to 3 hours to unload, then bobtail to get something to eat or whatever else I feel like doing. However, I run under the 150 air mile exemption, so no pesky ELD to worry about.
I use PC all the time. How I use it is to get me from my yard to a nearby truck stop to my pickup. I note in there that I am getting food. That’s all I note. Then when I get there. I go off duty. Fuel up. Get food and drive around the corner to pick up my load. I don’t advance the load in PC. Except I f I run out of hours on the highway and it’s not safe. I will park on the shoulder. Go off duty. Then into PC. And note Safety move.
If I drop at a facility and want to drive home. I leave the yard. Drive to the truck stop. Go off duty or SB. For a while. Then if I want to go home I put into PC and drive home. I have had 3 level three roadside inspections in the last three years and never been questioned about PC use or abuse. I own my truck and business and use PC as a tool to operate my business responsibly and safely. It’s worked for me so far. I’m always reading up on the rules to try and educate myself and stay safe and legal. PC is a tool to be used within the parameters of the ELD. I use it as needed.
You're doing great
As a cattle hauler that still uses an ELD for the convenience when I file IFTA every Q., I was instructed to drive on PC with an Agriculture Exemption note for my 150 air mile exemption.
thats if u 150 air miles within your office/terminal
150 air mile. Bubble from pu point of produce or anything that fall within guide lines of ag exemption...jeez people get a clue and learn to read clause of ag exemption!!!
Surprise you just can't edit unless you have it hooked to your ecm
Hell, I got a violation for bobtailing my truck on PC to a shop for service and a repair. Freaking bull crap!
That's messed up. You should be able to do that because your not working.
Driving to and from a shop that is working on a commercial truck is part of business. Of course that should be on duty time.
I've been shouting that the difficulty of challenging a CSA violation is a blatant due process violation, and OOIDA needs to get this into court. If a restaurant business started getting the same grief and headaches from the health department or FDA warnings, and there were still legal ramifications against the business (from the warnings) that couldn't be challenged, lawyers would be salivating over taking the lawsuit.
You can also use pc for food or entertainment and if i leave a recievers after dropping a load i can choose to pc to my terminal to eat the food out of the vending machines they have there.
How can they make a law that they don't know and can oppress the working class. It is why mass non compliance is what must be done or strait shut down. But as we have seen everyone just eats the shit lawmakers feed us. Sheep and seals
Logs are nonsense and should be done away with. I was with Werner which held me to the exact letter of the law - I was never so tired, so dangerous, so fatigued. Logs are dangerous.
For number 7, companies are set the PC to be used for one hour per day.
When I run PC, I put what the usage is for. 7/10 times I will only use it to get to a nearby rest area or closest truck stop if I'm out of hours.
The other 3/10 times of PC usage is for showers and food/restaurants. If you are in the middle of no-where towns, how can DOT argue how hungry you are or if you've been without a shower in the last few days.
They don't care
They will tell you , you should have planned your trip better.
What the company sets means nothing to FMCSA ! They are not going to change the rule just because your company is stupid
You just can't advance your load, though. If you do, you must return to your previous location before starting your drive line.
Just our meal or entertainment/ and when the cop asks you anything say It’s right there man I went for a meal “where?” Right there I went for a meal
Don’t forget to put your self on duty when you are changing your oil or working on the truck on the weekend. This is getting ridiculous.
Run at night , park during the day. Once the sunsets there are FAR fewer DOT messing with trucks. As far as illegal parking on the side of a ramp or a road that is just stupid and asking for problems , let alone the liability of someone slamming into you.
Parking on off ramp or on ramp. Need triangle out and hazzard light while you do your 10 hour reset and your good.
@romeogerolaga7505 Yeh they ask what's wrong with truck. You tell them and they check you are BUSTED!
Be careful saying that dot may be reading this. In Kentucky don’t matter they pull you over anytime. Indiana I think had a state trooper killed on 80 some years back so they don’t normally pull vehicles over at night for inspection for safety reasons. But I would be careful telling the world that. But it’s vary true.
There are some states that allow parking on the ramps. I'm pretty sure it is legal (they don't advise doing it though) in MO. I believe I saw an interview with a MO state trooper spokesperson (I think it was after that Greyhound bus crash on 70 in IL this year, or was it last year...) saying it WAS legal in MO.
Yup one reason I run at night….less bullcrap to deal with.
For personal conveyance purposes you have to return to the same location as you started from when you end your personal conveyance
True indeed
Not true
No. You do not. The current regulations eliminated any such old school policy.
It’s best to go in the opposite direction of the load when on pc. It can’t be used to advance the load or advance your clock
Exhibit A: of the stupidity of the law
The direction you travel is not part of the PC rule, other than the word "nearest" in the case of looking for sleep after leaving a shipper.
According to the fmcsa rules, in order to properly use PC you have to be in Sleeper or Off Duty. And there is 4 areas you can use it for, 1.)going on hometime.
2.)You were asked to move by private security or a dot officer or officers
3.)Going to a restaurant
4.)Going Shopping
I'll add it can not advance your trip. That's what I was taught anyway.
@karensecor3991 and the next and the next until you can.space.to park,🙄 past rest area closed etc,
5) men’s or women’s facility.
The last company I drove for gave out a fuel bonus. I parked my truck and shut it off .
Let cool down before i hit the sleeper.
Sleep in a big blanket when it was cold.
I had the best fuel bonus in the company.
Then my boss updated my mpg.
Because he didn't want to pay me for the fuel bonus .
So. I let it run..
I was told while loaded do not PC empty 50 miles a day no exceptions
When you get you CDL are you become a dangerous criminal and the cops won’t stop harassing you for any reason.
Personal convenience. “Im going somewhere for entertainment”
Wow this is crazy
Awesome report
Basic rule is that you can’t use PC to gain any sort of advantage.
- officer asks to move while out of hours
-out of hours at shipper/Rec to go to nearest parking
- arrive at customer early and they won’t let you park. You can PC to park but must be on drive line to come back
- leave where you are parked in order to get food, meal, shower
- using truck for non work reasons while at home
- leaving a Rec empty to the nearest parking is ok even if you have hours as well
Just know that a driver who chooses to be a professional should learn the rules and abide, the dude abides.
thanks for your insights. preciate ya.
Thanks Alex great information. Oh by the way CDL and rules will be standard across the board ? What !!!
I do remember one company allowed their drivers to bobtail home at the end of the week. Some drivers lived over 100 miles away from the terminal where they dropped the empty trailer.
You know you are running low stop before you run out your GPS will tell where you can stop
What is the legal standing? What is the historical ruling when people fight it? That is the law 9 out of 10 times.
Personal conveyance is personal. You don't have to say squat.
I only use PC when I want to...never when I dont want to.
great video thanks! that driver talking with the officer is Trucking life with Shawn that dude is awesome!
I don't even use it!!
The driver talking to DOT in the video clip is my good friend Shawn Gresham that works for Rosedale Transport. His RUclips channel is Trucking Life With Shawn and you can find the video there.
Thanks brother
@truckinglifewithshawn you are welcome my brother
Come on guys, this channel did an excellent explanation on this. Don’t feed the pirates
Hello greeting 👋
Melton told me no , that i could not use it to find parking
Utterly ridiculous.
My company policy is. No PC untill you have completed a 10 hr sleeper rest .
Your company blows lol
Wow really ? 😊😊
@@DebraDevis Prohibited uses of Personal Conveyance include: • Traveling beyond the closest available safe haven. • Traveling to a safe haven when you still have hours of service available. Traveling of any kind while on a 10-hour break. • Traveling for any personal reason while on home time. • Traveling to a customer (shipper/receiver) location. • Traveling in a yard to locate or move trailers. • Traveling that advances a load or your job in any way. • Traveling to a safe haven after running out of hours while in route to a destination due to traffic delays or other unforeseen circumstances. • Bobtailing or operating with an empty trailer to retrieve another trailer and/or load. Fueling or waiting at a shop for repairs. • Traveling to a clinic for a required DOT drug/alcohol test
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"""""Yes. Determining personal conveyance is based on the nature of the movement, not whether the vehicle is laden.""""
There should be, by default, one hour of ‘personal time’ that can be used for whatever, for every day the driver is working. No questions asked!
that would make too much sense
Never use personal convenience,keeps complications away, instead of onduty use sleeper birth.most yaehoos with a badge does not know the law.
Pretty much cops and safety departments will say: WHY DIDN'T YOU PLAN AHEAD #1 question ask.
next: if you must drive OUT OF HRS, you have to note why you driving over your hrs. Otherwise it's a Violation.
Yes driving over your hrs is violation BUT YOU HAVE NOTED WHY. GOT TO NOTED
When you do find a safe place to park, your reset starts over . ME i put myself on sleeper so in 7hrs you can roll again , rather then start a new 10
Pretty much stay away from PC , anyone looking at your ELD will just see it as you are trying to advance your trip.
Unless you are really really off duty , stuck for a few days waiting then PC is OK to get around town.
That whole unlimited PC is BS. Only owners who have there own Authority and business can do that.
The rest of the drivers , company drivers, lease on to the company, lease purchase, each company has thier own rules to follow with PC.
Some are 15 miles, 50 miles, 1hr, 2hrs, and some are unlimited but will be question WHY so many miles in a day or 2
In the end, companies don't like PC, WHAT IF YOU ARE INVOLVED in a accident. Lawyers would take that data and say, DRIVER SHOULD OF NEVER BEEN THERE.
Thank you alex- very insightful- as you say- every jurisdiction has a different interpretation of the actual rule making- unfortunately this has been happening since the inception of logs - I just wanted to congrats on your marriage and may you and Jenna have a wonderful life together ❤️- God bless you both and your families ❤
Trucking Life with Shawn, recorded the whole stop, and inspection, with that officer in Nebraska. That officer gave his limit on PC.
Okay great for the heads up. I will put all his links in the descriptions
I appreciate that Thank you 😊
Pc... u should have planned the del or pu basically its based on there opinion. I only PC while bobtail for personal use and going back to the same place
It's better to not use pc. Learn to split your sleeper berth it helps when shippers take a long time.
I was told I abused my PC by Arkansas DOT during Memorial Day weekend
I was bobtail and was not headed to a load
I drove from Dallas to Houston to spend the holiday with family
Perfectly legal.
It is also used for Ag Exempt loads on at least my elog, in the note I put Ag Exempt and the trip or load number so it is easy to reference the load confirmation sheet if it comes up on roadside or office inspection, I use my GPS to fi d my air mile points.
Read the FMCSA guidelines for personal conveyance. The stipulations allow you to use it as you see fit, as long as you are safe. You can be laden and still go home. It’s time for truckers to stop bending to the crooked government. Take a stand for goodness sake!
What's the point of having PC? Even though the DOT Officers ticket you for everything, there has to be just cause for using it.
Why not interview people who've been ticketed and gone to Court. The before Court conventions are nice, but we can learn more from the aftermath.
basically the rules don't matter if you're stopped by a dot officer they can just decide what they want to do and your forced to comply even if you are in the right . Me personally I was told in school and by my mentor to never use pc because dot officers will try to cite you no matter what you are doing because they don't know there own rules.
That’s why fight to get ticket so u can fight it
Yeah, when I’m stranded in Maine and I’m out of hours…I’m making it to DC and ain’t nothing stopping me of a Friday afternoon…all this bs don’t scare me…I will never stop even though these clowns get lucky enough to catch me.
Thx alex
#7 . If you are leased to a carrier. They can and will limit you on distance and time. For example time, 1 hour, distance, 50 miles. They can set the rules in that situation. Though FMCSA says different.
First thing if you are still attached to your trailer, pc rules are confusing. If you have droped a trailer at a dropyard and you ate going to return to drop yard you can PC the time for as long as you like and for as many miles as you want. I wish drivers would learn how to split hours. I do this all the time and truck for hours.
Do not use PC in the state of Indiana as they do not recognize PC use ticket only
Had a guy tell me I can’t use oc to go to nearest parking after the loading. My reg book says otherwise.
Law is REALLY PLAIN. If you don’t want a ticket, don’t break the law! It’s really that simple
This is the dumbest comment I've ever seen.
That's Trucking Life With Shawn talking to that officer..
One of the best and useful video for truckers
These are the ONLY reasons you can use PC.
FMCSA updates the guidance for 49 CFR 395.8 Driver’s Record of Duty Status to read as follows:
- Time traveling from a driver’s en route lodging (such as a motel or truck stop) to restaurants and entertainment facilities.
- Commuting between the driver’s terminal and residence,
- Commuting between trailer-drop lots and the residence,
- Commuting between work sites and residence.
- Commuting from off-site location to residence
- Time spent traveling to a nearby, reasonable, safe location to obtain required rest after loading or unloading.
- Moving a CMV at the request of a safety official during the driver’s off-duty time
- Time spent transporting personal property while off-duty.
- Authorized use of a CMV to travel home after working at an offsite location.
That’s nice
Hello greeting
Because it’s not legal.
Who cares about DOT and the fmcsa... just drive the damn truck 😂
The cops changed the LAW to help write BS tickets
Idk if this is correct
I call the Municipal court and the lady at the desk told me
IF YOU SHOW UP DAY AFTER YOUR COURT DATE, THEN YOU WILL ONLY BE CHARGE FOR FAILURE TO APPEAR IN COURT, YOUR SPEEDING TICKET WILL BE DROPPED.
idk if anyone want to risk that, show up 1 day after your court.
I call my lawyer and they extend it to 3yrs. By that time it was dropped, old news, not worth it to them. Case dismissed
Somebody explain to me how they get off on telling me how to drive when they don't even know😂😂😂 you'll be a good little truck driver and do as told 😂😂😂 that's why I'm going to retire😂😂😂
#1 is a bit confusing. I think it matters where you started from. If you start from a terminal then you can't PC back. But if you drive back to the terminal and go Off-duty. Then you can PC home. However, if you start from home then you can't PC home you have to drive home.
I live in my truck for months at a time. If want to drive it to the beach, shopping, or anywhere I choose to go...Im going to. Kick rocks.
Nobody is saying you can't
I worked for Yellow in Medford, Oregon Terminal, did you hear what company bought that Terminal thankyou
I was with a company that played fast-n-loose with PC all the time, totally abused it. I used it sparingly.
I've done PC only when I run out of hours at the shipper/ receiver to get to the closest place to park (even if it is an unexpected plaza or random spot I find).
No it’s not the way they interpret it! Each rule has a guidance for that rule ! It’s not up to each individual to interpret
They shouldn't use it if they don't know how to use it properly they should put every one of them out of service if they're too stupid to read the directions and rules and regulations about personal conveyance they should shut them down
I've been checked numerous times while on personal companions while hauling agricultural exempt and by just going somewhere to park or going home, there is an allowance of so many miles when hauling agriculture exempt 150 air miles or I think its 170.4 actual miles . I could be wrong. I do know you cam run 170 plus miles as Actual Miles from a Produce shipper or any other agricultural Exempted loads
We need to be available to drive the same 14 hours we have available every day
We are a world gone mad, none of the governments business when I’m driving what I’m driving when I’m driving. When I fuel, some people might find this a little shocking, but it’s none of the government’s business in a free country so very clearly we do not live in a constitution republic when you can be put out of service for driving… There’s no difference between personal conveyance and driving and on duty driving or on duty when on someone’s private lot or company, all this is about control and it’s mind numbing and it’s crazy and it’s insane and when do we rise up, when we rise up against this totalitarian communist government, and say enough is enough…
I'm bothered by the escort by DOT, which gives DOT the opportunity to cite you for moving violation.
Great video
Personal Conveyance is easy to understand when you're not trying to cheat. It's when you run out/tight on hours and start looking for "how can I make this happen" that drivers get into trouble with it. And yeah, companies aren't big fans of PC because they can never instruct you to use PC - it becomes official work if they instruct you to drive somewhere. Even if it's to your house, if the company says to drive home and park the truck there it's driving and on-duty time and not PC because the company told you where to move the truck.
They sayyou cant extend your day or trip any, but if you back track where you came from its cool. Go figure
PC is when you are empty and deadheading home for time off or you are deadbeading to a safe place empty and waiting to pkup the next day