In an industry where most rules are pretty clear personal conveyance is not one of them. Too many interpretations between the company and DOT leads to misinterpretation and confusion. So as a result some companies don’t even allow personal conveyance for any reason and most will only grant an exception in the event of needing a safe and legal place to park if you’re out of driving time providing of course a shipper or receiver won’t allow you to stay on site. My only request would be that there be a industry wide interpretation and adherence that all companies and drivers can adhere to.
To Commute is a regular journey of some distance to and from one's place of work. "the daily commute". This is the Guidelines saying you can PC home or to the shipper on PC. Commuting between the driver’s terminal and his or her residence, between trailer-drop lots and the driver’s residence, and between work sites and his or her residence. In these scenarios, the commuting distance combined with the release from work and start to work times must allow the driver enough time to obtain the required restorative rest as to ensure the driver is not fatigued.
FMCSA cannot regulate personal conveyance! That is why this is so confusing. FMCSA can only regulate when you are engaged wherein they have the authority to do so. It comes down to "Jurisdiction" They cannot claim "Jurisdiction" where they have none. That is why the FMCSA is so iffy on their comments because it would open them to a lawsuit violating the 4th amendment
FMCSA cannot regulate personal conveyance! That is why this is so confusing. FMCSA can only regulate when you are engaged wherein they have the authority to do so. It comes down to "Jurisdiction" They cannot claim "Jurisdiction" where they have none. That is why the FMCSA is so iffy on their comments because it would open them to a lawsuit violating the 4th amendment.
@@OverTheRoadATS .. that’s true but if a company limits your access vs what is legally capable then you are being controlled. Especially if you own your own truck and leased on with a company.
First off, you did a great job explaining the rules and regulations. But i have a question: Lets say that I have 5 hour left on my drive time. But I have 6 hours to make it home after delivering and that load ended my week. So I am NOT pre-dispatched on another load. Could I use "Personal Conveyance" to help me get home after using my 5 hours of drive?
Thank you! I'm glad you found the explanation helpful. Regarding your question, no, you cannot use PC in this scenario. Returning home or to the terminal from a dispatched trip is considered a continuation of the trip and cannot be classified as personal conveyance. You would need to account for this driving time within your available hours of service. Safe travels!
Crazy how life happens. Just got pulled in for a D.O.T inspection. And once I passed the inspection, I asked the officer the same question that I asked you. And the officer Hull told me that as long as I am not dispatched on my next load and since I am not returning back to the home terminal. I can use PC. But he couldn't tell me how long I could drive on PC. He told me that the transportation department does not have a set answer for that as of now. Hope that helps some driver's.
Interesting. We our resource was the FMCSA website, here: www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/personal-conveyance-frequently-asked-questions-0 Really appreciate you sharing your experience!
Sorry you feel that way.. We are certainly in tough times right now. But as with every downturn over the last few decades, it will bounce back and the drivers will determine the rates.
In an industry where most rules are pretty clear personal conveyance is not one of them. Too many interpretations between the company and DOT leads to misinterpretation and confusion. So as a result some companies don’t even allow personal conveyance for any reason and most will only grant an exception in the event of needing a safe and legal place to park if you’re out of driving time providing of course a shipper or receiver won’t allow you to stay on site. My only request would be that there be a industry wide interpretation and adherence that all companies and drivers can adhere to.
Well said!
Yes 100-10-1000% AMEN on that 🙏✝️🇺🇲st
To Commute is a regular journey of some distance to and from one's place of work.
"the daily commute". This is the Guidelines saying you can PC home or to the shipper on PC.
Commuting between the driver’s terminal and his or her residence, between trailer-drop lots and the driver’s residence, and between work sites and his or her residence. In these scenarios, the commuting distance combined with the release from work and start to work times must allow the driver enough time to obtain the required restorative rest as to ensure the driver is not fatigued.
FMCSA cannot regulate personal conveyance! That is why this is so confusing. FMCSA can only regulate when you are engaged wherein they have the authority to do so. It comes down to "Jurisdiction" They cannot claim "Jurisdiction" where they have none. That is why the FMCSA is so iffy on their comments because it would open them to a lawsuit violating the 4th amendment
THANK YOU FOR THAT 🙏✝️🇺🇲st
FMCSA cannot regulate personal conveyance! That is why this is so confusing. FMCSA can only regulate when you are engaged wherein they have the authority to do so. It comes down to "Jurisdiction" They cannot claim "Jurisdiction" where they have none. That is why the FMCSA is so iffy on their comments because it would open them to a lawsuit violating the 4th amendment.
My company only allows personal convenience to be no more than a hour and no more than 49 miles some companies more than that
Hey Ronnie, thanks for sharing!
So basically it’s useless because a company can control your life.
It does have it's limitations but open communication with your employer can help strike a balance between work and personal life.
@@OverTheRoadATS .. that’s true but if a company limits your access vs what is legally capable then you are being controlled. Especially if you own your own truck and leased on with a company.
First off, you did a great job explaining the rules and regulations. But i have a question:
Lets say that I have 5 hour left on my drive time. But I have 6 hours to make it home after delivering and that load ended my week. So I am NOT pre-dispatched on another load. Could I use "Personal Conveyance" to help me get home after using my 5 hours of drive?
Thank you! I'm glad you found the explanation helpful. Regarding your question, no, you cannot use PC in this scenario. Returning home or to the terminal from a dispatched trip is considered a continuation of the trip and cannot be classified as personal conveyance. You would need to account for this driving time within your available hours of service. Safe travels!
Additionally, since pc is guidance, you should refer to your company’s pc policy prior to using.
Crazy how life happens. Just got pulled in for a D.O.T inspection. And once I passed the inspection, I asked the officer the same question that I asked you. And the officer Hull told me that as long as I am not dispatched on my next load and since I am not returning back to the home terminal. I can use PC. But he couldn't tell me how long I could drive on PC. He told me that the transportation department does not have a set answer for that as of now.
Hope that helps some driver's.
Interesting. We our resource was the FMCSA website, here:
www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/personal-conveyance-frequently-asked-questions-0
Really appreciate you sharing your experience!
I have no idea what is true anymore. I hate when even the people that are in place to regulate driver's daily doesn't know the laws that they enforce.
Trucking sucks now
Sorry you feel that way.. We are certainly in tough times right now. But as with every downturn over the last few decades, it will bounce back and the drivers will determine the rates.
@@OverTheRoadATS I will be retire before it retires me as other driver's have. 😤😤
Used to be fun until some ruined it for all