Do You Really Need A Scrub Plane? | Hand Plane Foundations
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2022
- Welcome to my Hand Plane Foundations course. In this course I'm going to introduce the different types of bench planes and discuss their setup and use, focusing on the planes you’ll need most as a new hand tool woodworker. I’ll cover sharpening the iron, setting up the cap iron, and troubleshooting and tuning the tool up to perform at its best. I’ll finish up by building a modern two tone cutting board from some beautiful North American hardwoods, completely by hand.
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I find the scrub plane not essential but it´s very useful and even though moyt of my wood is sawn and not split, I use it frequently when preparing rough wood that has cupped during drying. I Germany we also have something like a fore plane, even though all planes except the jointer are very similar in length. We call it "Schlichthobel". It has a wider mouth than a smoother and only a single iron which often has the corners rounded off. It´s used after the scrub plane or if you don´t need to remove that much material. On small pieces where a jointer would be overkill I use it before the smoothing plane. Since wooden scrub planes are dirt cheap on the 2nd hand market, I´d recommend buying one. If you take a look at european furniture from before the industrialisation, you often see the marks of a scrub plane on the back, the bottom or inside of even fine furniture where the carpenter didn´t bother to put more work into the surface because nobody will see it anyway. They used it just to quickly remove the rough saw marks.
Thanks Bob. I completely agree with you and your view on these planes. The scrub plane doesn't get used much. I went about 5 years before buying one. However, when I do use it, such as going from 3/4" to half inch stock, I am glad to have my scrub plane. I have enough saved up for a bandsaw and am now saving for the proper dust collection. Thicknessing wood by hand, though I can and have certainly done it, isn't my favorite task in the the workshop.
I finally understand the differences between all these planes, thanks to your channel. I don't know why other people have danced around the jargon so much, to the point of confusing people further!
I recently bought a scrub plane for those times when my fore plane is too cumbersome-small board & thin edges. It's becoming my favorite rip saw.
They’re quite useful for edges when there just isn’t enough to saw. Kind of like a hatchet with a depth control.
This is an excellent explanation into the differences between the scrub and fore plane's origin, construction, use, and really, its purpose. Kudos.
I think the scrub plane is of premachinery historical interest. When grain gets teared the tearing can go deeper than the final thickness. The greater the depth of cut the more likely to tear. Just buy timber that isn’t twisted or use machinery to remove the twist, or if you are happy,and you can avoid tear out then use a plane with a much finer set iron. I would not bother with a scrub plane but I do often adjust the blade depth of all my planes to suit the situation. If the grain is a problem I use the sanding thicknesser when I want to get the project sorted without throwing away that piece of wood
I like having a scrub plane, but I'm in Switzerland where they are easy to find (and btw, Schrupphobel is pronounced 'Shrup' at the beginning).
I like this plane for fast and rough removal, like making a tapered table leg. With the scrub plane, if I have 1cm to remove to get to my line, it only takes a few strokes to get close, and I can then get exactly to the line with my no 5.
I love my scrub plane. But only, as you say, when there is a lot of wood to remove. But a scrub plane and a pair of winding sticks can be a lot of fun.
Excellent points, Bob. The purpose of a scrub plane is to get something resembling firewood transformed into something manageable. As I have journeyed down the freeway to Graggsylvania I find the scrub plane to be an indispensable tool in stock prep, and over the past 15 year find myself reaching for one almost every time I resaw or split some stock. By the same token, as I continue to pursue traditional sawn veneering I find the toothing plane to be a previously undiscovered treasure. I pity any traditional/hand tool woodworker who does not incorporate these two planes into their work.
Thanks Don!
For various reasons I do not have any machines in my small basement shop. I love having a scrub plane when I need one, which is often enough. You are right in that for most of us who get dimensioned stock, the need to get a scrub plane is down the list. The Anglo-American “Fore-Try-smoother” ( or Jack-jointer-smoother) approach to processing stock is the one many of us are familiar with. And there is a lot of info on how to incorporate scrub planes into our work. What there isn’t much of, or at least I have found hard to find described in English, is how Germans and others working with similar traditions approach dimensioning stock after the scrub is used. From what I can understand the differences go beyond scrub vs. Fore. The progression might include a single iron schlichthobel, a double iron doppelhobel, a raubank (try plane), and a putzhobel (fine smoother) and some sometimes throw in a halbhlanghobel (a fine smoother the length of a jack/fore) when working longer stock. I love using these planes, I just wish there was more complete info (in English) on how the complete family of German-style planes can be used outside the Anglo-American woodworking perspective.
I’m in complete agreement with you. I wish I could read old German texts.
This was great. I just started using my ECE English style jack plane (fore plane). What a beauty. It does the job quickly.
Thank you for the video. I bought a Veritas scrub plane to help put tapers on things, and bevels, etc.
I have a dedicated Veritas Scrub Plane that I use for really really fast knock down and gross thicknessing. But I also still have an old No° 5 which was my first homemade ‘scrub’, I use it sometimes between the proper scrub and my No° 7. Thanks Bob
good info
I turnrd a no3 into a scrub, too infirm to be using a big heavy plane, it is great. Paul sellers has a video on turning a 78 into a scrub.
I use my scrub on pallet wood, I am not bothered if my plane gets any scratches, virtually any cheap plane can be used.
I have to think that those wood workers before steel planes most likely had old worn wood planes that they used for scrub planing. And also think that there are degrees of scrub planes. I suspect that most people today don't have or use a scrub with the degree of radius as yours and their definition or perspective is different. In my case, I use 26 as a fore and sometime a 6, but with less radius and the 5 has the least radius. Have used the 6 with very larger radius and the weight will power through big tough lumber but will wear you out, my option now is to just take more time to do job.
Hi Bob. In your experience, what is a good goal for the amount of material that a scrub plane can remove in a single pass? I'm trying to restore a scrub plane iron rn and I'm looking for a measurable goal to see how good of a job I'm doing. Thanks!
Depends on the density & hardness of the material. I’ve taken ⅛” off the edge of a white pine board in a single pass. Harder material will be less.
It would be more helpful if you demonstrated technique than just talk about usage. I always use a scrub plane to flatten, not smooth the first side. To do this, you make passes diagonally across the board, not along it. Along with winding sticks any bow or twist are removed very quickly. This leaves the board with high and low spots but all the high spots are in a single plane. It doesn't take much practice to be able to do this. It is not a difficult technique to learn. At this point a jack plane can be run along the length to make the face smooth. If you don't use the scrub plane first, the project will take a very long time.
I have demonstrated it, several times. I can flatten a board face n less than 5 minutes using just jack and try planes. No scrub required. ruclips.net/video/2Tvxy_UOGMY/видео.html