I'm so glad you mentioned the newer version of the Wilson Evolution because I noticed the same thing. They've improved a lot, in my opinion. The new Evolutions handle sweat much better and the grip and bounce feel more consistent as well. I actually used to be an Evolution hater but the newer model has changed my opinion.
Just so you know what are price ranges in central europe: Spalding TF 1000 legacy: 60-80usd Spalding TF 1000 euroleague: 70-90usd Spalding TF 1000 precision: 60-70usd Wilson EVO NXT: 70-80usd Wilson evolution: 60-85usd Molten BG4500: 70-110usd (but in amateur leagues old G* series balls are used) Nike elite champ. 8p 2.0: 80-90usd
For the TF1000 legacy. I initially thought the same as you did. That is sucked 100% when I got it, playing on an indoor gym. However some kid at my gym mistakenly left with it, and I didn't get it back until about 3 weeks later. It turned out he had been playing outdoors with it... When I got it back, it was a whole lot better. Better traction, and was softer as well.
@@EverythingBasketballs lool. I'm scared as well. I was mad to see that he had been playing outdoors with it. But later on, when I tried it, it was way better. Perhaps, its posible to break it in the same way playing indoors.. but that may take way longer than people are comfortable with.
I have a TF-1000 Precision and I felt similar to how you do about the Legacy. I can confirm it feels 10x better after a month or two of consistent use. It really breaks up the panels and gives a softer feeling akin to an Evolution out the box. That's what a lot of people don't understand about basketballs. They buy the Evolution because they think it's the best feeling one out the box. Yet after they play with it for awhile, it turns from an okay feeling ball into feeling like a wet sponge. It becomes way too soft to the point where a broken in Evolution almost feels like a nerf covered ball. The harder balls like Tf-1000, The Rock, leather balls, etc is that sure they don't feel as nice right out the box but once they are broke in the sweet spot is even better and longer lasting. That's my opinion after 20 some odd years of hooping. Evolution isn't bad don't get me wrong, it's just not the greatest ball in the world like every gym in America will make you think.
Alright, thanks for the review man. Updated, I recently got the Adidas Pro 3.0 based off your review. I was a tad skeptical when it came deflated...which wasn't a great start, plus the channels were deeper than I like. Having said that, only playing two pick up games with it, so far its a very good ball. I think I like it better than the NCAA Evo Official. I've been conflicted between getting the Wilson NBA ball, since my TF No.M broke, and the BG5000..but BG5000 will be the next one.
Skip the BG5000, i tried to like it and spent time with it but its not it. wilson nba ball has poor quality on the rubber channel and most likely gonna leak air fast. model M is better option but if you can find the old Splading NBA ball then go with that.
@EverythingBasketballs awesome, ill avoid the molten. But yo, I got a voucher for 30% off adidas site cause the pro had those stretch marks. Then they had an online sale and the pros were on for 50% off! They accepted my coupon too so 70% total. i get two for $25CAD each. A rolling pin + blow dryer got the wrinkles out and damn!
Another good ball to try, idk if you've already tried it tho. The Rawlings Countour ball (OSHAA/MSHAA) ball is used in high school and is very nice. High quality build, similar to evo but slightly firmer.
Damn shame that they don't make the old TF-500 anymore. Nice review btw - very interesting. I hope my All Court 3.0 that will arrive next week can hold up. The Pro 3.0 version was a bit too expensive for me where i live (22€ vs 65€)
For us, adidas pro 3.0 is the cheapest along the top tiers basketballs. I think they are out of size 7 right now. I might get another one if it’s going on sale again.
I would but I’m not ready yet because some of the balls I haven’t spent much time on them and I want to collect more data so I give everyone more accurate information.
NXT BAL or Evo NXT? I never heard of NXT BAL. But if you’re talking the evo nxt then it’s weird that your weight 599g, I wish mine would weight that much.
@@EverythingBasketballs it still feels lighter! I have a very high arch and I can shoot far like nba and further threes and they just drop in. I dunno hard to explain
@@MarkCampbell-wy6ov I only have the older version. There is a TF 1000 version of it and I’m waiting for it go on sale or find it cheaper. I’m not trying to pay full price for it.
The Mikasa has a superb build quality because the Japanese believe in PERFECTION, in everything they do! If that is their official professional basketball, expect nothing less.
Wilson Evolution is a ready to play basketball. but it can takes between 4 to 5 days for those protected chemical to come off and i would say about 2 months for it get real nice with a soft moisture feels.
@@christophmuller6249 I just checked their website and the price is not too bad however the shipping cost to the US is a lot, it’s more than shipping from Japan to the US.
Have you weighed the bg5000? Mine only weighs 587 gms. It's lighter than the GL7X I used to play with. My Wilson evolution weighs around 604 gms. I have not seen a ball weighed 623gms (22oz} which is the actual official weight when you google search.
Tarmak is actually private brand of a "Decathlon" French sporting goods retailer which is a dominant sport store in europe. Here in europe Tarmak bt500 cost around 30usd and bt900 cost 55usd. by comparision spalding tf1000 will cost 60-80usd and molten bg4500 70-90usd.
@@EverythingBasketballs By the way, there is old BT900 and new BT900 in european market - not sure what is the difference as i have only seen new one. But old one(fiba approved untill 2019 or 2020) is still sold by Decathlon for around 40USD so really cheap for a ball that is at least as good as tf1000
As someone who has used a Spalding TF Model M for several weeks now, I can go into more detail about it. Before that ball, I used the NBA official game balls for years. For me, weight wise, these two balls feel identical. I even weighed a brand new NBA game ball and my brand new Model M and the weights were identical on my scale. The slight difference is the feel right out of the box. The model M feels further along in the break in process. It feels a bit softer, and maybe the pebbles feel ever so slightly flatter? Mine is still not broken in fully, but I sometimes feel that maybe the NBA official has a slightly more predictable bounce, but that could be comparing my other fully broken in chocolate colored NBA ball to my Model M that has only been used for about 5 weeks now. Maybe it's my still healing finger that could be making me dribble slightly differently. Shooting, they feel exactly the same. I am a person who is hyper sensitive and notice even the most subtle of slight changes in anything, and I can say that there is zero difference shooting this ball compared to the NBA game ball.
@@EverythingBasketballs Here is an update. My ball having less air than I expected after checking the PSI was the reason for the worse bounce. Once I inflated it back to 8 PSI, the bounce became perfect and identical to my Spalding NBA ball. Some of the balls I have owned lose air faster than others. It's the luck of the draw, and unfortunately my Model M loses air faster than my previous ball. I do not think it is a problem with all Model Ms, but simply inconsistency in the manufacturing.
You're not the only one. I cannot stand the Evolution, either. It's a heavy, slippery, with channels that are too deep and wide and feels like a kids nerf ball. My main go-to ball has always been the NBA Official game ball and now the Spalding TF Model M.
Hey, I bought 3 new balls, size 28.5. I only want to keep 2 and I'm trying to figure out which 2 to keep. I have the baden elite pro, ncaa official game ball and the nike elite championship 2.0. Which 2 are better and which 2 will last long.
Keep the Baden elite pro for sure. You can neither keep ncaa game ball or Nike elite. Between the two whichever ball you feel the most comfortable with and you can shoot well and have the most control with then keep that one.
I have the Spalding NBA Gameball & Molten BG5000. I really like leather balls but majority of the people in the gym don’t. They like my Tarmak BT900X more which I don’t like that much. 😂😂😂
Mine is a special edition but it is still the evolution just mine is cooler looking. I used this ball and regular evolution side by side at the same time, both feel the same and perform the same. As far I know there is no indoor/outdoor Wilson evolution.
i dont' have one favorite. I have many favorite. Baden Elite, Wilson Evolution, Nike Elite Championship, Adidas Pro 3.0, Tarmak BT900, The Rock c2c, Wilson Wave Triple Thread, Molten GG7x, Spalding TF1000 Legacy, and Dime One. These are just composite leather basketballs, i favorite for full leather basketballs too.
I'm so glad you mentioned the newer version of the Wilson Evolution because I noticed the same thing. They've improved a lot, in my opinion. The new Evolutions handle sweat much better and the grip and bounce feel more consistent as well. I actually used to be an Evolution hater but the newer model has changed my opinion.
Great video. Need an update for 2024-2025. You should also do an official ranking and a similar video for outdoor balls.
@@jazzquire I don’t have too many outdoor balls. Mainly i play indoor.
Nike Elite Championship is my new basketball to play
Just so you know what are price ranges in central europe:
Spalding TF 1000 legacy: 60-80usd
Spalding TF 1000 euroleague: 70-90usd
Spalding TF 1000 precision: 60-70usd
Wilson EVO NXT: 70-80usd
Wilson evolution: 60-85usd
Molten BG4500: 70-110usd (but in amateur leagues old G* series balls are used)
Nike elite champ. 8p 2.0: 80-90usd
Thanks for the info
Need a review on the TF-1000 Legacy Big Dawg pls and thx u🙏
Hello, thanks to Ur video I was able to buy my tarmak basketball today so Ty 😊
For the TF1000 legacy. I initially thought the same as you did. That is sucked 100% when I got it, playing on an indoor gym. However some kid at my gym mistakenly left with it, and I didn't get it back until about 3 weeks later. It turned out he had been playing outdoors with it... When I got it back, it was a whole lot better. Better traction, and was softer as well.
wow... really? outdoor used? I'm kinda scared to use it outdoor. hahahaha.
@@EverythingBasketballs lool. I'm scared as well. I was mad to see that he had been playing outdoors with it. But later on, when I tried it, it was way better. Perhaps, its posible to break it in the same way playing indoors.. but that may take way longer than people are comfortable with.
Ur the greatest sir, thank you for the video and sharing all your knowledge.
Hey great review! Where did you buy the euroleague basketball from and could you review it?
I have a TF-1000 Precision and I felt similar to how you do about the Legacy. I can confirm it feels 10x better after a month or two of consistent use. It really breaks up the panels and gives a softer feeling akin to an Evolution out the box. That's what a lot of people don't understand about basketballs. They buy the Evolution because they think it's the best feeling one out the box. Yet after they play with it for awhile, it turns from an okay feeling ball into feeling like a wet sponge. It becomes way too soft to the point where a broken in Evolution almost feels like a nerf covered ball. The harder balls like Tf-1000, The Rock, leather balls, etc is that sure they don't feel as nice right out the box but once they are broke in the sweet spot is even better and longer lasting. That's my opinion after 20 some odd years of hooping. Evolution isn't bad don't get me wrong, it's just not the greatest ball in the world like every gym in America will make you think.
Alright, thanks for the review man. Updated, I recently got the Adidas Pro 3.0 based off your review. I was a tad skeptical when it came deflated...which wasn't a great start, plus the channels were deeper than I like. Having said that, only playing two pick up games with it, so far its a very good ball. I think I like it better than the NCAA Evo Official.
I've been conflicted between getting the Wilson NBA ball, since my TF No.M broke, and the BG5000..but BG5000 will be the next one.
Skip the BG5000, i tried to like it and spent time with it but its not it. wilson nba ball has poor quality on the rubber channel and most likely gonna leak air fast. model M is better option but if you can find the old Splading NBA ball then go with that.
@EverythingBasketballs awesome, ill avoid the molten. But yo, I got a voucher for 30% off adidas site cause the pro had those stretch marks. Then they had an online sale and the pros were on for 50% off! They accepted my coupon too so 70% total. i get two for $25CAD each. A rolling pin + blow dryer got the wrinkles out and damn!
Another good ball to try, idk if you've already tried it tho. The Rawlings Countour ball (OSHAA/MSHAA) ball is used in high school and is very nice. High quality build, similar to evo but slightly firmer.
i'll hit one when i see the price is right.
Damn shame that they don't make the old TF-500 anymore. Nice review btw - very interesting. I hope my All Court 3.0 that will arrive next week can hold up. The Pro 3.0 version was a bit too expensive for me where i live (22€ vs 65€)
For us, adidas pro 3.0 is the cheapest along the top tiers basketballs. I think they are out of size 7 right now. I might get another one if it’s going on sale again.
would you ever do a top 10 best bballs you’ve played with of all time?
I would but I’m not ready yet because some of the balls I haven’t spent much time on them and I want to collect more data so I give everyone more accurate information.
I have the NXT BAL and it’s my fav ball once broken in! Mine weighs 599 I feel like Wilson is very inconsistent
NXT BAL or Evo NXT? I never heard of NXT BAL. But if you’re talking the evo nxt then it’s weird that your weight 599g, I wish mine would weight that much.
@@EverythingBasketballs evo nxt my bad. I know very strange
@@nicknett8 does yours feel like when you shoot? Compare it to the evolution, do you feel any difference since your is 599g??
@@EverythingBasketballs it still feels lighter! I have a very high arch and I can shoot far like nba and further threes and they just drop in. I dunno hard to explain
@@nicknett8 same here. Shooting half court with ease. But struggling in mid range jumper.
I just ordered the addidas 3.0 one but the all type, have u tried that one yet?or just the 3.0 pro?
Adidas All Court 3.0 is not the same as Adidas Pro 3.0. All court is designed for mainly use outdoor. And pro 3.0 for indoor. I have both balls.
It occurred to me recently, "M" is roman numeral for 1000 so its stll a tf 1000 idk if anyone in the comments said that already ut yeah
what happen to spalding precision do you not have it no more?
@@MarkCampbell-wy6ov I only have the older version. There is a TF 1000 version of it and I’m waiting for it go on sale or find it cheaper. I’m not trying to pay full price for it.
What about the Spalding stranger things TF 100? Is it a good ball compared to the official Spalding NBA Ball?
Spalding NBA Game Ball for sure is better than Stranger Things Top Flite 100
Thank You. Very helpfull.
I wish I had gotten a spalding leather NBA basketball while they were in production. I missed out...
The build quality of the Spalding nba game ball is amazing. I have it so many years and it still hold up well.
The Mikasa has a superb build quality because the Japanese believe in PERFECTION, in everything they do! If that is their official professional basketball, expect nothing less.
yeah the build quality is superb but the performance on this ball is not it.
How long does it take to properly break-in the original Wilson Evolution ball until it feels great to play with? Thanks!
Wilson Evolution is a ready to play basketball. but it can takes between 4 to 5 days for those protected chemical to come off and i would say about 2 months for it get real nice with a soft moisture feels.
My Top5 🙂
1 Wilson Evo NXT
2 K1X ULTIMATE PRO
3 Nike Elite Championship
4 Wilson Evolution
5 Molten BG5000
I never see K1X Ultimate before. Which country you bought it from?
@@EverythingBasketballs
Germany
It's similar to the Nike Elite or Wilson NXT but without any FiBa or NFHS approval.
@@christophmuller6249 I just checked their website and the price is not too bad however the shipping cost to the US is a lot, it’s more than shipping from Japan to the US.
I really like the rock but the only thing is that sometimes it gets pretty slippery when I get sweaty cause some of them are like super glossy
With my experience, the Rock doesn’t last too long. The outter surface is getting tear and wear fast.
Have you weighed the bg5000? Mine only weighs 587 gms. It's lighter than the GL7X I used to play with.
My Wilson evolution weighs around 604 gms. I have not seen a ball weighed 623gms (22oz} which is the actual official weight when you google search.
I weighted them; for bg5000 with 8psi inflate is 592 grams. For gl7x used is 594 grams. The evolution is 601grams.
Wilson solution is out?
Good list though, I'm actually gonna try the Tarmak - I've never heard of that one.
It’s a nice ball and cheap.
Tarmak is actually private brand of a "Decathlon" French sporting goods retailer which is a dominant sport store in europe. Here in europe Tarmak bt500 cost around 30usd and bt900 cost 55usd. by comparision spalding tf1000 will cost 60-80usd and molten bg4500 70-90usd.
@@rafap1719 thanks for price info. Now I have some kind of price guidance and comparison for my future videos.
@@EverythingBasketballs By the way, there is old BT900 and new BT900 in european market - not sure what is the difference as i have only seen new one. But old one(fiba approved untill 2019 or 2020) is still sold by Decathlon for around 40USD so really cheap for a ball that is at least as good as tf1000
@@rafap1719 mine is until 2023. I tried to get bt900x and I even contacted Tarmak but they don’t have it.
it's just so shocking to see that many different types of basketballs lol
What shocking is that is not even close to all the balls I got. 😂
@@EverythingBasketballs thats amazing 🤣
As someone who has used a Spalding TF Model M for several weeks now, I can go into more detail about it. Before that ball, I used the NBA official game balls for years. For me, weight wise, these two balls feel identical. I even weighed a brand new NBA game ball and my brand new Model M and the weights were identical on my scale. The slight difference is the feel right out of the box. The model M feels further along in the break in process. It feels a bit softer, and maybe the pebbles feel ever so slightly flatter? Mine is still not broken in fully, but I sometimes feel that maybe the NBA official has a slightly more predictable bounce, but that could be comparing my other fully broken in chocolate colored NBA ball to my Model M that has only been used for about 5 weeks now. Maybe it's my still healing finger that could be making me dribble slightly differently.
Shooting, they feel exactly the same. I am a person who is hyper sensitive and notice even the most subtle of slight changes in anything, and I can say that there is zero difference shooting this ball compared to the NBA game ball.
Thanks for sharing your insight information. Keep playing with it when it’s fully broken in come back to let us know how it turn out.
@@EverythingBasketballs Thanks! I will be sure to do that.
Good points. How much it weighed though?
@@EverythingBasketballs Here is an update. My ball having less air than I expected after checking the PSI was the reason for the worse bounce. Once I inflated it back to 8 PSI, the bounce became perfect and identical to my Spalding NBA ball. Some of the balls I have owned lose air faster than others. It's the luck of the draw, and unfortunately my Model M loses air faster than my previous ball. I do not think it is a problem with all Model Ms, but simply inconsistency in the manufacturing.
@@83utan47 my model m is 576 grams.
I know I'm the only one - but I absolutely ABHOR the Evolution. Complete and utter LOATHING. I love the original NCAA Solution.
The Baden Elite is a good alternative for the evolution.
@@EverythingBasketballs The Baden Elite is my number 4 currently behind the Spalding NBA official, Wilson Solution, and Wilson NBA official.
You're not the only one. I cannot stand the Evolution, either. It's a heavy, slippery, with channels that are too deep and wide and feels like a kids nerf ball. My main go-to ball has always been the NBA Official game ball and now the Spalding TF Model M.
Why?
@@richarde1355 because he wants to feel cool going against popular opinion
3v3 balls size 6 wieght 7
I have the Baden Rival... In the gym, when someone grabs it, they look at it weird lol.
yeah, not just with Baden rival, any basketballs that have a soft feel and not the evolution; they would have that puzzle look in their faces.
@@EverythingBasketballs yep. lol
Hey, I bought 3 new balls, size 28.5. I only want to keep 2 and I'm trying to figure out which 2 to keep. I have the baden elite pro, ncaa official game ball and the nike elite championship 2.0. Which 2 are better and which 2 will last long.
Keep the Baden elite pro for sure. You can neither keep ncaa game ball or Nike elite. Between the two whichever ball you feel the most comfortable with and you can shoot well and have the most control with then keep that one.
I use tarmak b900 for my league games, it's good
Yeah it is nice. But not too many here know about this brand so it’s hard to convince them to try it out.
I have the Spalding NBA Gameball & Molten BG5000. I really like leather balls but majority of the people in the gym don’t. They like my Tarmak BT900X more which I don’t like that much. 😂😂😂
Yeah same here. I think people are not accustomed to the leather ball 🏀. I just like the quality and consistency of leather balls.
Your wilson evolution is the indoor outdoor version not the indoor game ball.
Mine is a special edition but it is still the evolution just mine is cooler looking. I used this ball and regular evolution side by side at the same time, both feel the same and perform the same. As far I know there is no indoor/outdoor Wilson evolution.
Wow alot I need one
We’re the 2023 list ?
Try to dunlop bball
The Rock ball is by far one of the best balls I've used
It is a nice basketball. It would be even better if they use more durable materials on the ball.
Sooooooo which is your favorite / “the best”?
i dont' have one favorite. I have many favorite. Baden Elite, Wilson Evolution, Nike Elite Championship, Adidas Pro 3.0, Tarmak BT900, The Rock c2c, Wilson Wave Triple Thread, Molten GG7x, Spalding TF1000 Legacy, and Dime One. These are just composite leather basketballs, i favorite for full leather basketballs too.
Did you just refer to Europe as less developed countries? 🤣
lol... no no.... most European countries got money