Do "gun buybacks" work?
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On May 3rd, 2023, Serbia experienced two mass shootings that left more than 15 people dead. While Serbia has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, mass shootings are rare, and the shootings shocked the country.
In response, one of the big things the Serbian government did was implementing a weapon surrender scheme. So far 26,000 unregistered weapons, 1.3 million rounds of ammunition and 6,000 explosives have been voluntarily surrendered.
It’s too soon to know what impact this will have on Serbia’s gun ownership rates - but we can look at Australia, where they implemented the world's largest mandatory buyback program in 1996. Nearly three decades later, Australia has removed more than 650,000 guns from the streets. To understand what the data says about the effects of the program regarding gun deaths and mass shootings, check out our explainer above.
Sources and further reading:
Zack Beauchamp’s Vox article about Australia’s gun buyback program which inspired this video can be found here:
www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725...
You can read Dr. Ramchand’s meta-analysis evaluating the the effects of Australia’s National Firearm Agreement, including the gun buyback program, here:
www.rand.org/research/gun-pol...
The study that explores female firearm homicide victimization can be found here:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29332...
The study specifically about gun buybacks is here:
sci-hub.ru/10.1093/aler/ahq013
For more information on Australia’s National Firearms agreement established in 1996, I recommend this detailed review that also includes a look at other countries with initiatives to remove firearms:
www.gunpolicy.org/documents/7...
This speech by former Australian Prime Minister Howard given just days after the Port Arthur mass shooting, outlines the motivations behind the NFA:
parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/...
This RAND research article examines the effects of small, local gun buybacks in the US:
www.rand.org/research/gun-pol...
To understand US gun death data in more depth, check out this Pew Research article:
www.pewresearch.org/short-rea...
This Reuter’s article has a good summary of the initial results of Serbia’s gun amnesty::
www.reuters.com/world/europe/...
This The Conversation article explains how Australia’s NFA and gun buybacks saved lives, but cautions that we are now taking steps back:
theconversation.com/australia...
To read about Australia’s new and changing gun ownership figures, take a look at this University of Sydney study:
www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinio...
Finally, Australia’s mass shooting data in this video, includes incidents that killed four or more people through 2020. Since then, Australia experienced a mass shooting in December of 2022. You can read about it here:
www.theguardian.com/australia...
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The craziest part of our buyback here in Australia was it was the conservative party that made the decision, would be like the Republican party in the US passing gun control.
The Republican party has often pushed for gun control. All governments push for gun control. An armed populace is not in the best interest of the government.
It makes you proud to be an Aussie doesn’t it
Australia being world leading as usual
Should even go further to stop criminals. Allow a month where people can turn in their illegal/unregistered guns, and when its passed, anyone that is found with an illegal gun receives capital punishment, like in Singapore
@@obrandondonaldson1208 that opens up a whole other can of worms regarding the ethics of capital punishment
@@esshor.bot ahh
The most shocking part about the Serbian weapon surrender is the amount of grenades they received.
I wonder how they handle them. Does someone drop off a box of grenades at a local amnesty center that's been rented out of a business plaza?
Ye
Why is Serbia ahead of the US in grenade ownership? The citizens of the US must unite to correct this shortcoming.
True. I'm blown away by that fact
civil war just ended merely 20 years, some serbs millitias are still very powerful
An intresting fact that came to light a few years back is that Australia has more guns now (3.6 million) than it did when port Arthur happpened (3.2 million) and from 2.1 guns per gun owner in 1997 to 3.9 guns per owner. With fewer people owning guns but more guns per licence holder.
I guess that points to the registering and license requirements meaning that generally responsible people will be owning guns compared to every other random nutcase.
@@samrichards8251That's pretty optimistic, to put it lightly. In reality it's probably extremists and super dedicated gun lovers/collectors buying them.
@@BlueClouds-tp2ds Would still have a beneficial effect. Given there isn't much utility or additional risk in using multiple guns at once, the stat that matters in most cases is the total number of people with access to a gun. More concentrated gun ownership still means fewer people with gun access,
@Dani I’m guessing the majority of the people who had guns before the national firearms act didn’t register their guns (because there was no need) and that the number of guns owned would be greater than the estimated 3.2 million
@@BlueClouds-tp2ds I don't think so, I've lived in rural Australia for decades, and I've known a lot of gun owners. They are almost exclusively farmers and such; people that have such weapons for their work (pest control, etc). I've known a lot of random nutcases who have tried to acquire a gun (myself included) but have been unable to jump through all the legal hoops. And I most certainly shouldn't be in possession of one lol
Australia's gun buyback amnesty was only part of it - from there on, we also had very strict gun registration and gun licensing laws. It took a friend of mine that wanted a rifle for hunting rabbits on his farm almost a year to get approved to get a license, then a 6 month wait to be able to buy his rifle.
It's seriously difficult to get a gun license. At the most basic level you need to be a rural property owner, or to be gainfully employed in an occupation where the gun is required (pest control, farming or such). Even just these two requirements already rule out the vast majority of irresponsible nutcases.
come and take them. ironically youll need guns to do it. america has a very different temperament and tradition than austrialia. if what was done there were attempted here, well, lets just say there is a comically numerical disadvantage to the people that would be tasked to seize them. and they would not survive that attempt.
That's reasonable wait
@@torgo_you mean in Australia, right?
@@cwg9238oh lord shut up
The adults are talking
I made $3500 selling 3d printed Glock frames with no metal parts to the Utica NY police department at a gun buyback 😂
Congrats!
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Doesn’t matter is if automatic, semi, or whatever, the gun ain’t the problem it’s the people
Okay? So why give the people the tools for violence?
@@chazer0075To stop the others who already have the tools.
NOBODY gives them the tools for violence. Any attempt to remove any guns in the USA needs to be 100% focused strictly on those who are illegally using them@@chazer0075
@@chazer0075 so we should restrict every human from sledge hammers, cars, knifes, bc they are "tOoLs oF viOlEnce"
So you’re saying Americans are just naturally the most violent people on the planet?
I like how they completely left out New Zealand where the gun buyback completely failed.
How, exactly, did it fail?
It failed in Australia also.
and how Suicides are higher now than before guns were removed.
Brandon Harera has entered the chat:
Never comply with gun control
We, Myanmar citizens are experiencing gun violence too but, in our case, our own military is the one doing it. Will there be any gun restriction program for this?
The myanmar people have been building guns as well. They make fgc9s
"OnLy tHE MiLitArY aNd PoLIce ShoUlD HaVe GUnS DuRRrrR"
And that's why, we the US of A won't give up our rights.
I think one important thing to consider about Australian gun laws is this: Australians are allowed to buy guns, you just need to acquire/continually renew a license, and there is a restriction on the types of firearms allowed, and on the reason for owning a gun. Gun laws are mostly not about taking away guns, but rather about making guns are only placed in safe hands, and making sure incredibly powerful firearms aren't on the market.
I love guns. All kinds. I have over 600 of them. Everytime I go to the range store, I see another one I like so I'll buy that one too.
One of the most important parts of our gun laws, is that Self Defence is not a valid reason for owning a firearm, nor should it be
I wish videos discussing Australia's gun laws talked about this. Most videos just make it sound like guns were banned and all guns were removed.
@@TheRedMammothimagine actually believing you do not have a right to defend yourself or your family from harm. 😂
@@MrScissor90 Imagine believing that you need semiautomatic weapons to do that. Unless of course you're a lousy shot.
It worked in Australia after the Port Arthur massacre because we have not got a gun culture and arming oneself is not a given or implied right in our constitution so it was a pretty easy sell. Indeed I imagine in our population the percentage of people who have never even handled a gun is very high. Farmers, naturally, have and use them but in the cities they are simply not or have never been required because we are a safe and peaceful democracy.
How do you not have a gun culture when Australia's fauna is so lethal?
@@Argonnosi because we feed them tourists
@@Argonnosi 90% of lethal fauna in Australia can be killed with a shoe.
Nah we have a gun culture, just not like the one in the US. We just don't have the level of entitlement
@@skyemiddletonx9006yeah, our gun culture is like that of mainland Europe: gun ownership is an ongoing duty of responsibility, whether for defence from wild animals in the outback or the sportsmanship of target shooting; it's not for an automatic civilian right to use lethal force, even in self-defence, against other humans
Easiest way to ensure people can't rise up against a tyrannical government
Lol, letting any fool have access to guns doesn't stop tyranny. It didn't prevent the tyranny of segregation, nor did it end it. Interment? That still happened...
@@ratofvengenceyes it does
@@Tylerd838 The tyranny of segregation and internment happened. Or are you in denial?
@@ratofvengence how does that affect my rights today
@@Tylerd838 I never said it did. I merely stated facts that contradict the OP.
I'm not sure anyone will read this, but this is my opinion on Australian gun laws. I have lived in multiple different countries, and I have seen their gun cultures.
Thanks to my Australian heritage, I have, on a few occasions, lived in that wonderful country. However, as someone who is as interested in guns as they are in cars and women, Australian gun laws are perhaps a little too strict.
For 4 years, I lived in Europe, mainly In the UK, but I did do a lot of travelling across the mainland. One thing that surprised me about a lot of European countries (particularly Switzerland) was the fact that you could buy semi autos a lot easier than I thought.
A sport which I decided to give a shot (no pun intended) was a sport called three gun, which basically involves the usage of a semi-automatic rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol. To this date, it was one of the funnest moments of my life.
Unfortunately, the sport can not be played in Australia as owning a semi-auto is only required as a source of income (pest control), which is a great shame, considering most countries I have been to allow three gun.
In my opinion, Australia's gun laws can be more relaxed than what they currently are, whilst not sacrificing any safety. I think it would be nice if shooting as a sport is more diverse in Australia. It would also make the country more inviting to those who take part in shooting sports overseas.
Not to mention, their ban on airsoft is nothing short of a disgrace.
Why would I sell my guns to the government? We love our guns
Why do you love guns? I'm Australian and I honestly find it very confusing!
@@sallygrasso1448 why do you love your purse or your dog?
@@sallygrasso1448
Firearms represent freedom and individuality
Strange that they're associated with individuality, aren't there many identical guns of the same model. Or do you customise them like a car?
I don't really get the car thing either so maybe it's something I can't understand.
@@sallygrasso1448
yeah there's always customization but not that kind of individuality. individuality as in self reliance and ability to provide for oneself. not to be mistaken for "I'm special and unique" but "I don't necessarily need outside help to handle a given situation". cars also represent a similar feeling of individuality. you can get into your vehicle and go anywhere, anytime.
How a government is able to buy "back" something they never owned?
And the gun owners couldn't exactly choose not to sell "back" to the government either. Just a twist on words really.
@@YourLittleDeath Yep, newspeak for confiscation
2nd amendment is a fundamental right to Americans. Literally no matter how hard u try, you cannot infringe on that right.
you are correct about the sentiment of many vocal americans but if the constitution can be amended to add rights it can be amended to repealed them. such as the 18th amendment being repealed by the 21st.
@@mistertubby The amendment would be proposed by either passing both houses of the Congress with 2/3 of the vote or be passed by a Constitutional convention requested by 2/3 of the States. Once formally proposed the amendment must then be ratified by 3/4 of the States before it would be adopted. That will never happen in the near future with the current US public opinion.
Felony? 😂 I dont think you can lose rights and still call them a right
If you take guns away from a populace, you have to also take them away from the government so the power dynamic is balanced. A government should not be able to dominate its people. Also, it is a matter of time before any society spawns an authoritarian. When that happens you need an armed populace to remove such a person. It’s nice to think we live in a civilized world where this can’t happen, but our species is not that evolved.
"Also, it is a matter of time before any society spawns an authoritarian. When that happens you need an armed populace to remove such a person."
How'd that go with the tyranny of segregation?
@@ratofvengence Indeed if minorities were armed (difficult to obtain due to heavy racism) perhaps they could have better fought back against the heinous racism and violence they faced in the past. Would've saved alot of their lives and liveliehoods. Luckily we moved passed that and they can arm themselves today.
Entirely asinine conjecture. Based in no matter of fact or research.
@@beny7160 Of course, no authoritarian regime ever had or used guns against the people. Right?
As a Canadian, many people are surprised to see we have the 5th most guns per person in the world, and second if you only count first world countries. Turns out, we have a lot of hunters!
Impossible. I was told that having lots of guns means that everyone will shoot each other. Are you trying to say that there’s actual socioeconomic reasons for shootings, and not just the existence of an inanimate objects ?
Which makes sense, given that Canada has more land than the U.S. and about a tenth of the population. Meanwhile, the U.S. has more guns than people, and the sizable majority of those guns are owned by ~10% of the adult population.
@@communismisthefuture6503 its also the fact that canada makes it hard to get pistols, which are actually more used in gang violence than restricting "ar15's" because big and scary
@@communismisthefuture6503 there's still a ship ton m9re guns, as well as gun deaths in the USA. Canada only has a lot of gums compared to other countries USA is in a class of its own.
types of firearms matter as well. CCP also sold "hunting rifles" to Russia recently which are likely assault rifles
I've worked a number of these buybacks. Nearly all of the weapons were handed in by next of kin who didn't want guns they had inherited. The second most common were people getting a few bucks out of an old piece of junk that would have been more dangerous as a club than as a firearm. I once had a mother turn in a working firearm that she said belonged to her son, and she feared he might use it on himself. That was the only gun that really needed to be taken off the street, out of hundreds surrendered.
I’m guessing that mother considered it worth doing
worth it
I hope that son dealt with his so called "mother" appropriately
@@GreekAssassi I have a feeling that you are mentally unstable enough to not be allowed a gun.
@@GreekAssassi can't think of a more ignorant response. And I am a responsible gun owner.
They forgot to mention that after the gun confiscation Australia became an authoritarian police state. Authoritarilia
how
Bwahahaha no :D Australia outranks the US in EVERY freedom index. Go look :)
Bait
@@ratofvengenceliterally all of you were forced to get the jab, stay inside and do what the government says when they say it.
Tell me your free again because some index says so…..
@@nobot6177 Bwahaha! Noone was 'forced' to be vaccinated kiddo, but just like 'Murica, some vocations have mandatory vaccinations. Yes, we had lockdowns, supported by the vast majority because unlike the US, we care for each other. That's why we have a FRACTION the excess deaths rate you suffered from.
And yes, EVERY freedom index boy.
26k guns in Serbia doesn't seem that impressive when there's 3M guns around. Less than 1%.
We have these in my country every couple of years as well, but they're not aimed at reducing the total number of guns, just the number of illegally held guns.
Through this program, you can turn in your illegally held gun, get a gun licence, and even get the gun back, assuming it's not in a banned category, wasn't used in a crime or was modified in a way to not be dangerous anymore (for historical pieces...). During the last "amnesty", one guy actually turned in an SD-100 tank destroyer and a T34/85 tank, which I believe he was allowed to get back as historical pieces once they were "disarmed".
Do you legitimately think that a criminal would turn in their gun.
I love the Czech republic, and I am considering moving there, greetings from Colombia.
@keonyang3332 It's not about what this person *thinks*; it's about the facts of what weapons were turned in. Plenty were guns held illegally.
@@keonyang3332most people who become criminals were normal people at one point. If a normal person with a gun becomes desperate and resorts to crime they will do a lot more damage than a desperate person without a gun.
Just by restricting its access to normal people automatically kids lose access to them (good), random muggings from isolated individuals go way down (good), and gun suicides go way down (very good).
@@keonyang3332 that's not really the point of our program, in fact, like I said, they check if the gun was used to commit a crime, the point is that illegaly held guns are (obviously) harder to track, or the owner, who can just be a collector, can sell it to someone who wants to commit a crime etc., so it's not really about disarming the criminals, more about making it harder for them to get a gun... And since my country actually has a really low rate of violent crimes comitted with a gun, even though we have a fairly high gun ownership rate, I'd say we're doing at least something right...
It wasn’t an easy sell. State Politicians supported it, full well knowing it would cost them winning their next election. For example the conservative Queensland Premier of 1996 had a lot of heated resistance from rural and remote communities. He supported the scheme knowing that he could - and would - lose the 1998 State election. And he did. Australia is a big country and support wasn’t the same everywhere. The outcome was though and that’s all that really mattered. It need a very tough government the most.
Political self-sacrifice in the name of principles is a lesson Americans really need to learn. Not a single US politician would ever tank their career in the name of doing what's right (without first getting caught doing something wrong, at least). Not. A single. One.
@@jriceblue Confiscating guns is not right, no
conservatives willing to do the right thing no matter the cost, wish we still had some of those. Now all we get is clowns and the circuses that follow them
So you’re saying a politician going against the will of the people he represents is a… good thing?
Championing democracy *but only when it does something I want it to do.
"an alternative to thoughts and prayer" hit harder than it has a right to be
Imagine if we actually addressed the socioeconomic issues that caused shootings, instead of blaming the existence of inanimate objects 🤔
@@communismisthefuture6503 Would you mind explaining why gun reform has been so successful, then?
@@primalreversion7034 the two aren’t mutually exclusive. Nice try kid
@@primalreversion7034 successful where? please dont say australia lol i live here and trust me it wasnt as successful as these anti gun media reporters play it out to be
@@communismisthefuture6503 you made it sound like gun reform isn't a good idea
Just got a little disappointed by not mentioning Brasil's initiative between 2003 and 2008, where more than 570.000 guns were bought back by government. In the comming years of 2019 to 2022 of Bolsonaro, more than 600000 guns got sold to regular citizens with far more unrestricted criteria.
There is nothing good to say about Brazil, in the 10 years following disarmament, homicides by firearms rose by almost 30% in the country
Yes!! Very very upsetting/disturbing.
@@Masturafa Exactly! We have more homicides by firearm now than in the 90's when there were no gun laws!
@@Masturafa yeah, because of bolsonaro
@@nlsdrf1290 🤦♂️"10 years following" that means is between 2009-2018, where Bolsonaro wasn't even elected yet. In fact, during is presidency, gun violence actually decrease, because everyone could have a gun no one risk using it against others.
I find it strange that you only looked at mass shootings and suicides committed with firearms after Port Arthur and not homicides committed with firearms before and after.
Why? The whole point was to limit guns that could be easily used to do a mass shootings like semi-auto rifles. Australians still own lots of guns.
And the graphs are pretty much the same. An argument could be made that they were going down before the Port Arthur massacre, but there is a noticeable drop after the reforms were put into place.
@@almondsai7214 If you look at the graphs for last 50 years of gun crime in Australia and calculate an average rate before and after the gun ban they are virtually the same. Yes, gun crime dropped in bigger rate for a while than it was before ban, but then it went up, the average stays the same. There is no statistical evidence that ban had any positive impact.
@@Marcin-cz4yp I don't know what graphs you've been looking at but all the ones I've found say otherwise. Pretty much all of them show that after the 1996 Massacre both gun related crime and gun deaths went down. The rate at which gun crime and deaths is decreasing by is the same, but the actual figure is lower.
@@almondsai7214 And ive said it. It dropped down. But it was steadily dropping before the ban. We cannot prove, that this ban had any effect on the rate in which the gun crime is dropping, because the average rate before, and after is the same.
I think the big problem if this was implemented in the United States is that the agency in charge of doing this would be the ATF and majority of citizens hate them. It’s also so imbedded in US culture to own guns
It's not fair to say it is embedded. But rather it was embedded through a few decades of lobbying. 50 years ago, the situation was vastly different. It's a fairly recent development.
@@marcbuisson2463 its been embedded since the first colonists landed on the shores of the Americas
@@marcbuisson2463no if you knew about guns, it’s the exact opposite. 46% of families own guns now, and 50 years ago in 1970 70% of families own guns
@@DickenMifrensmamIII welp, Statista seems to disagree, you were at 43% households ownership according to them. And yeah, it was levels fairly common with many european countries. That said, the nature of the market was probably fairly different at the time. More hunters, less military fanboys and anti-government militants. And the NRA was remarquably different. The situation was far closer to France for example at the time. The US just took... a different path let's say.
@@marcbuisson2463 well considering the statistics that I can send you say that there’s less gun owners now than 50 years ago, I would say you’re wrong. Again 70% of families in the 70s owned guns while in 2023 it’s 43%.
Two things Australia’s a nation surrounded by a body of water, and they don’t have cartels that would sell to people wanting a gun
The ATF has recently attempted to reclassify pistols with braces as short barrel rifles. Out of the millions of braced pistols, only a fraction attempted to register. That’s probably the best sort of result you could expect if the government attempted a “gun buyback.”
Right. Approx 0.5% registered
Based
And the courts slapped them for it
good
this comment needs to be higher
In Australia they just changed the wording of legally purchased weapon to being illegal and forced its citizens to give up there guns or face jail time.
Where guns?
@@vvillem9 🤣
...yes... that's what changing a law usually does.
I’ll save you all 6 minutes: Yes, but only if they are mandatory.
But sadly that isn't the case. Didn't work in N.Z.
Good luck collecting 300 millions of unregistred firearms. The ban will only affect the normal, ordinary citizens. Gang members and people who have been planning a mass shooting for months or years will still get them, just illegaly.
And in places that dont have the second ammendment. Criminals in the US wont follow a "mandatory" buyback. So quick math for the US: (law abiding citizens with guns + criminals with guns) - law anding citizens with guns = criminals with guns. Nothing changed.
What a waste to destroy all those guns. They should be keeping them in an armory for when they need them.
I'm not agreeing nor disagreeing with you but what sort of situation would you envisage them being needed exactly?
US will give up democracy before giving up Guns😂
Well, we're half way there then!
It may be impossible in US.... for now but doesn't mean not possible. Hope is quite foolish but powerful motivator.
Imagine if we actually solved this issue, instead of saying "thoughts and prayers" with no action.
What issue? Suicides and homicides? Gun control doesn't solve that. Unless the big problem is people owning guns...
@@jaxjax2011 Comprehensive gun control reduces homicides and suicides. Owning a gun makes you way more likely to act on your suicidal thoughts. I know that if I had a gun, I wouldn't be alive today but thankfully, I never had a "quick and easy" way to unalive myself.
As for killings, the US has the highest homicide rate among rich countries.
Unfortunately, I don't see this changing anytime soon, Americans love their guns too much. Who cares about kids, amirite?
kick the black outs. instantly half the violent crime goes down
@@jaxjax2011smells like freedom
@@jaxjax2011 did you watch the video? 4:23
ONLY 120.5 per person?! THOSE ARE ROOKIE NUMBERS, YOU GOTTA PUMP THOSE NUMBERS UP.
Are you American?
I was going to comment the same thing. 😂
@@Onako2 Of course I am. There's only one country on this planet that matters, and that's the good ol' US of A!
@@tattooedredheadx Then please give me one argument why a lot of weapons are good in your opinion.
Yeah, seeing how governments treated people during covid ensured I am going to keep my guns. They weren’t too far off from putting people on trains.
Me and my friends thought about building guns from scratch to sell to the government for profit
Pipe shotguns are a good one to try out 😅
Well, it wasn't quite complete guns but there were actually cases of people making and selling gun parts to the government in the time of the Australian "buy back".
I think unfortunately the key is people must be shocked and outraged by mass shootings. Seems that this ship has sailed, if this amount if school shootings hasnt wokenpeople up, what would it take?
Bringing a gun to a school is illegal. Killing kids is illegal. We just need ONE MORE LAW.
as long as the proposed solution is more guns make safer environments, theres no way.
it would only convinced the conservatives only if it directly affects them. rn only innocent children are the victims and they don't give a single f
Given how the US can’t go a day without some sort of shooting happening. I think it’s safe to say that Most people in the US has either become desensitized or accepted that shootings everyday is normal in a country that has more guns than people.
i always imagine it in newsreports as a seperate topic. like the weather, it is the shooting of the day
The thing here in Australia is semi-automatic firearms aren’t banned, only heavily restricted to certain people, such as farmers and contractors hired to dispatch animals, from rabbits to kangaroos which may be destroying property.
I'm here in West Aus, i have 2 semi auto handguns, a .357 revolver, mum and dad have semi auto pistols. I'm happy with the restrictions we have, but there are heaps of us with semi autos.
Do these guns take down the emus? Or are they still immune to basically any firearm known to man...
@@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904yeah they are invincible.
I always love how people point and look to Australia, while conveniently ignoring the fact that they are an island country. While guns can still be smuggled in via sea, it is many times more difficult than going across a land border.
Mandatory buy back = confiscation.
Confiscation with "compensation".
The Australian buy back has had little effect on homicide rates in Australia - in other words a total failure
The total homicide rate fell by half. You are wrong.
A lot of people overlook the fact that gun control worked here in Australia partly because of Australia's unique territorial situation. Australia is technically an island continent which doesn't share borders with any other nation. Thus, when our government issued strict gun control laws, they worked because it wasn't as easy for people to illegally import guns into the country across our borders. I think this is a key factor which determined the success of our gun control laws. Because countries like the U.S. and Serbia don't share the same territorial conditions, I am not sure how successful gun control laws would be in those countries.
In the US our problems are within our own borders. You can Google “iron pipeline” -it’s a common term for the interstate used to smuggle guns into states with stricter gun control laws. There are people here who seem to see guns as part of their religion. Meanwhile children don’t feel safe going to school and mass shootings are nearly a daily occurrence but gun defenders will say it’s not the guns. It’s sickening.
@Raygunomics Actually that is false. Studies have shown that the majority of guns used in crime came from the same state. This is yet another fallacy to misinformed and blame other states for gun control not working because evil evils and criminals criminal.
Well a lot of people dont realize or care that Australia never has or had a constitutional guaranteed right to gun ownership. We do. Thus is why, whatever Australia, UK what have you do, does not matter over here because the 2A and the Constitution are specific restrictions on government power and control.
Yet guns are being smuggled from the US into Canada and Mexico, not the other way around.
The overwhelming majority of guns in private ownership in the US has been manufactured in the US and has never left the country.
After doing research on the “buyer”, it appears that it has a long history of murder and being being unstable. Would not give guns to them.
can't even pass universal background check and we are talking about gun buyback?
background check? I can buy all the guns I want scratched clean at the border from Juan in the cartel. Cheap, too.
That's because the gun lobby have the politicians in their pockets. One of two things should happen, either ban lobbyists or elect people that won't take money from the lobbyists. Both would be ideal.
@@utha2665 if people know better, we would be in a much better place unfortunately that is not the case.
@@utha2665banning lobbyists means banning gun reform lobbyists as well. Im all for that.
Can't get ideas out there without talking about them. Having the discussion alone is worthwhile, even when there's no expectation of it happening in the US anytime soon.
Not to mention Vox is watched worldwide (though this was obviously targeted to Americans - albeit mostly preaching to the choir as Vox is generally targeting a left-leaning audience).
The public have the right to defend themselves from the tyranny of an unjust government as well as to defend land and property from unwanted trespass and seizure .
I'm serbian and I'd rather we got rid of guns from society, we've seen enough violence and bloodshed, there's no reason for serb citizens to own guns
And yet it doesn't work out that way.
And yet it doesn't work does it?
I'll never forget Clint Eastwood's response to gun buybacks: "Gun buybacks are like having yourself castrated because you think your neighbors have too many kids."
Nah not really
@@vignotum132 yes, really
Smooth brain take
And Australia is safer because of less guns, but in statistics it shows 5% higher rapes, double the burglaries, 12% more auto thefts. But what is really good as we let criminals go free and write more laws making law abiding citizens become felons just for protecting themselves, Australia average criminal sentence is 44% longer than in the US. Maybe the trick to stopping violent crime is throwing the criminals in jail and keeping them there.
4:25 they had a greater reduction in FIREARM suicides. Total suicides only barely decreased over this period.
Oh, no, gun control advocates looking only at single metrics that paint an inaccurate picture to push the idea that gun control works? Say it isn't so.
“Buy Back” is a CONFISCATION.
im sure the criminal lined up around the corner to give up theirs 😂😂😂
Gun buyback
Citizen buys gun for $800
Government buys back for $40
Liberals claim it’s a “fair purchase”
The answer is no
Did you watch the video? Or did you just reach an uninformed emotional answer based off the title alone?
@@AL3X2580it’s unconstitutional to begin with
@@Tylerd838 constitution can be amended
@@AL3X2580no need
The answer is NO … it never works
What makes you say that?
@@johnobama6629 Did you even see the video and how it worked in Australia?
@@2ndPigeonso why didn’t it work in Mexico?
@@johncena-hq1ti You tell me
I remember growing up in the Pacific Northwest and hearing about the Sandy Hook shooting when I was in Middle School. It disturbed me greatly, but there was also a cushion of distance and a feeling of safety I felt, knowing that "the odds are that that doesn't happen to me." It comforted me as a kid in school to feel like this was a uniquely grotesque tragedy that may happen once every five years or so, in a place still geographically distant from myself. Nowadays, as a college student with two younger siblings and a daughter, none of that selfish cushion I could alott myself as an anxious child remains. I fear for each younger cousin I have when they grow old enough to enter public school. We have lockdowns at my campus sometimes when the nearby high school is theatened, which happens so often I cannot wrap my mind around it. There is no escaping this issue, is my point. Yet nowhere in the progression of devastating events that led us through the years between my naive childhood and our current reality did we draw a line in the sand. We have recieved nothing but lip service, will continue to recieve little beyond that, and the frustration I and so many other younger people feel at that complacency in the face of mass death is hard to describe. Some part of me hopes we can finally hit that point where the pressure mounts and there is no longer any way for our representatives to run from the havoc their inaction perpetuates. The other half of me is just petrified to imagine what horror could possibly jolt the nation out of its lull of inefficiency. Regardless, I appreciate the effort Serbia is making now. I commend them for attempting to do something to help, and even if its effectiveness may be dampened by a lack of compensation or enforcement, it could still show another model we may structure future movements around here in the states.
This deserves more likes, well said
Better laws would help. But they don't solve the actual problem.
FYI, your fear and distrust is PART of the problem.
We need to get rid of the stigma against mental healthcare.
We need to get rid of Gun Culture.
And we need to fix a system that keeps MOST people frustrated and powerless, because most people ARE.
This isn't JUST a problem of irresponsible gun owners allowing a hormone-drunk (pre)teen to get their hands on a firearm.
A healthy person with opportunity and agency doesn't shoot up a mall.
Declawing an abused cat so it can't attack people doesn't really solve the "problem".
It is still being abused.
It still has teeth.
One word:
Republicans
@@jubal6654 Welcome to "You are part of the problem". Coffee and juice are on the table over there.
Villainizing a group, no matter how wrong some members of that group are, isn't a good "solution" to a problem.
@M thanks, I appreciate it.
don't give your guns. They did in brazil, now we are helpless and the crime domain
austrail gun ban was from one person and the population was against the gun ban, the gun ban made violent crime,rapes,home invasions and shootings go way up, and yes they still had mass shootings. there are more guns now in australia then before the gun ban..
Impressive. Everything you just said was a lie, except there being more guns. Yet with the strict laws, we have half the homicide rate we had.
@@ratofvengenceactually you're wrong, do you have a source for your claim?
@@Mcfunface I'm not wrong at all. Australian Institute of Criminology homicide data. In 2001-02 the homicide victim rate was 1.92/100,000. In 2020-21 it was 0.86, well less than half.
So by what measure do you claim I am wrong?
As an Australian, I feel I would have a better understanding of my country than a country where 17.3 million people (63% of Australia's population as a reference) think chocolate milk comes from brown cows. And after some research, the rate is 1.02.
Cant be a buy back if i never bought from the government
Heres the thing:
It'll only work if its mandatory, but it won't have enough support if its mandatory. So nothing will happen. Guns are far too popular and engrained into culture within the US.
I think Australia used to also be like this
@@antishulk Australia needed a wake up call in the form of a mass shooting to change its mind. Meanwhile, the US has grown desensitized to massacres in schools.
The part this whole debate misses - American gun owners sunk a lot of money into guns. The average gun owner has spent approx $5-10,000 USD
If you have half the population giving guns up.
Who pays for the loss?
I can tell you most - aside from being unwilling - certainly are not ok to get Pennies on the dollar for their expenses and investment.
@@alecubudulecu fair prices were paid for the Australian buy back, as noted in the video. If USA can find a trillion dollars down the back of the couch for their army, surely they'll find a similar amount for a gun buy back? Surely??
It wont even work if it is mandatory. Have you seen the compliance numbers on the recent pistol with stabilizing brace rule? At best 8% of owners chose to register them in compliance with the ATF, at worst, 0.6%. If american gun owners are so defiant that they wont even register a gun accessory, how well do you think a mandate to turn in their firearms will go over. Oh, by the way, you'd have to repeal the 2nd amendment first which would require a 2/3 supermajority vote. Good luck with that and trying to track down over 400 million unregistered firearms. 😂
Vox please make longer videos
Watch them at x0.5 speed and you instantly have twice as long videos.
If the citizens don't have guns the police shouldn't have them either. The government is just as irresponsible with them (if not more so) as the average citizen.
I remember the gun buy backs in California. The cities offered $100 per gun. So people went out and bought $39 Mosin Nagants and sold them to the cities. Its also a good way to hide or destroy arms linked to crimes.
yep!
Number of gun owners vs number of guns per resident are two totally different things. There’s a subculture of gun enthusiast that will heavily skew this data.
If anything they're skewing the data in the wrong direction for what I suspect is your point. Comparable countries with actually sane gun regulation will generally have more of their firearms in the hands of gun nuts and collectors as average people won't be nearly as interested in going through the hassle just to own a single weapon that they have to keep locked in a safe pretty much the entire time they have it.
The safest countries are the most armed countries .Switzerland its the law !
How is it a buy-BACK? The agencies buying the guns never sold them in the first place.
It ain't the guns. When I was a little kid anyone could walk into any hardware store and buy a gun. No questions asked, just put the money on the counter and leave with the gun. Gun crime wasn't a big deal. Today our cities with the strictest gun laws lead the country in gun crime. In 2022 the following cities had these murders, Chicago 695, Los Angeles 382, Baltimore 333, Detroit 309, DC 203, St. Louis 196, Seattle 52 and Newark 50. Almost none of these murders were committed with so called assault weapons.
When you limited information on firearms and make the simplest piece of plastic or metal part illegal.
What does that do?... It increases "crime" and "felons". It also increase Accidents.
The problem is people with guns who shouldn't have guns. Also with those statistics, you should be taking into account the population. Of course, the largest populations are going to have the most gun murders. Also, the talk about bans on assault weapons is because that is what is mostly used in mass shootings, not because they are used in homicides or suicides. The only valid reason to not want common sense gun laws is that it gets votes.
@@jl789nz You don't consider the murders I mentioned to be mass murder? 695 in Chicago sounds like mass murder to me and what "common sense gun control" will you propose that will change that number? I don't know what an assault weapon is and I'm pretty knowledgeable about guns. I'll guess by assault weapon you mean a rifle of some kind and virtually none of the murders being committed in some our cities use a rifle.
@@amosjsoma There so much more to it than just gun laws though, and it's a funny coincidence that the party who advocates for less gun laws are also the party that would vote down social programs to help a community with things like mental health.
Quick point on the couple of mass shootings in Australia in the last decade: those are closely linked to DV and also to the loosening of gun laws that has been occurring due to gun lobbyists infiltration of political parties. Gun deaths in Australia are way down, but we're still seeing issues.
What does DM stand for?
@@arcssssss sorry, should have been DV as in domestic violence.
Oh thanks
How are "mass" shootings closely related to domestic violence? In the US, and I'd assume in most of the Western World, gun violence associate with domestic violence occurs in the actual domicile. Or, if outside the home it's a targeted attack on the spouse, not walking into a public building and unloading into Randoms.
@@bufordhighwater9872 one of the three mass shootings in the graph was from someone shooting his entire family. That is DV and because of the number killed a mass shooting.
And mass shootings don't have to be against random people or outside of the home. They just have be enough dead people.
And as with most gun stats worldwide, there is a lot of deliberate/unintentional misclassification of deaths/injuries. What counts as DV in one police report might be recorded as regular assault/murder in another.
Throughout the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s semi auto firearms were legally imported into Australia in the millions and millions - many of them ex military in origin. In some instances there were millions of individual models and hundreds of thousands of others.
Just 640,000 of all types were taken by the government in 1996. Presumably the rest are still out there somewhere but WHERE is any bodies guess.
Australia's rate of firearms related crime has continued to fall at the same rate as it was before '96.
Many of our gun laws have been written by people that clearly have no idea what they're doing and would leave you wondering what sort of half wits are running the show were I to list some of them!
Compulsory registration is a farcical clown show! You could be forgiven for thinking that 30 years and billions of dollars would be long enough and enough money to work out how to run such a system but the reality is that there STILL isn't a state that can maintain a simple list of property against a list of names with any degree of acceptable accuracy or efficiency. In fact, the Western Australian Auditor General stated that the WA system was so grossly inaccurate that it couldn't be fixed! The other states aren't much better.
The "buyback" did nothing but destroy trust in government waste a staggering amount of money that continues to be wasted.
In Brasil, we got more violent since de gun buyback
No 💩 criminals dont care about laws
New Zealand is also aiming to reduce their guns. Too many massacres have been happening in the last few years.
As a Serb I'd like to say something you don't really cover in the video.
The vast majority of the guns are within the mafia, and these gun buybacks generaly don't affect these guns. They cause the most problems and deaths and are therefore the most important weapons in circulation.
and yet people are still willing to give up their firearms, a means of protection. That's interesting. Why do you think so?
@@mayuboebHonestly, you wouldn't believe how much sway over public opinion the government has here. If you turn on the TV, you literally juste see either the president saying whatever he wants. There are videos of him talking about how he slept, what he eats, what car he drives etc.
What I'm trying to say is that most of the people are blind to the fact that this is practically a mafia state.
P.s. if you wan't a really juicy mafia-government collusion story google "Jovanjica marijuana farm".
@@mayuboebthese guns they showed weren’t from civilians but from raids on organized crime. They just showed them off as civilian guns
"It's easy to control people. It's hard to educate them."
Shall not be infringed.
3D printer time boys.
Well regulated.
@@ratofvengence can't stop won't stop, red coat, you must really enjoy that boot taste.
@@ratofvengenceoh shove it ratard go play with your toy soldiers
We passed a law in oregon that police have to test and train people before they can buy a firearm, but didnt fund the infrastrucure to support it.
The most important part is recognizing the political culture. I'm pretty sure in none of these countries the right to defend yourself with deadly force is in their constitution and the ability to make yourself a ghost gun didn't exists. The US right now shares a lot of similarities with Yugoslavia (High debt load, high amounts of corruption and polarization, and a loss of faith in the system). It's probably more important to fix the underlying caused than to come up with a temporary solution to one symptom if you want to avoid sharing the same fate.
True true
Now these are the VOX videos I’ve been missing
Right? I feel like recent Vox videos have been lacking
@@AlejandroFlores-vi8tl completely agree
Yet it is factually wrong at a few places... Which just made me sigh.
You miss being indoctrinated?
How can you “buy back” that which you never owned? The US Republic has survived, because we have guns it’s or one and only line that keeps the government in check less the leadership meet the end of the barrel. I feel horrible for Australia that suffered brutal treatment at the hands of their government recently. But this is why we are citizens and they along with other countries are subjects.
Mass gun buyback sounds like a good business for firearm producer.
I'll save you 6 minutes, no.
You conveniently left out that USA gun buy backs NEVER pay fair compensation. The cheapest handguns on the regular market go for $200 and I don’t know many people with a gun they paid less than $400 for. The highest offer at many buybacks is a $50 gift card, not even cash.
They also want mandatory buybacks, aka a gun confiscation. Which is illegal and unconstitutional.
No, they don't work for the people.
It should not be forgotten that the government that effected the gun buyback and reforms in Australia was probably the most Right-wing (I.e. “Republican”) government we’d had for 50 years. It was just the right thing to do - and they did it.
Well every time a new gun control bill is proposed, gun sales go through the roof😂. Good job everyone
Please read the martin byrant police transcripts he had NO licance and was not allowed to own the firearms he used in the shooting he brought them under the table from Terry's sports shop with $600k he reviced after after his girlfriend willed the cash to him from a car crash, also most of the firearms handed in the buy back were very few semi autos most are 22s and farm guns. Hardwhere stores ran out or pvc pipes on the day the buy back started 😂
I had no idea so many Tasmanians, and other Australians, suddenly developed plumbing problems that needed to be addressed so urgently ha ha.
what does what does tassie and Antarctica have in common .. they are both minus 35@@YourLittleDeath
After the buyback, yes to a lower number of suicides by firearms, but the overall number of all suicides was up by a 1/3, they just found a different way to ‘do it’. Refer to Australian Bureau Statistics.
The tough part about this topic is that it is extremely hard to tell if the hun back is what worked or the licensing worked
I'm going to be bold and say that *both* worked.
Both worked. You can't have a gun buy back of those types of firearms if you don't then stop them from being imported again.
You can't have licencieng and restrictions if you don't pull those existing guns off the street as well.
Ireland had gun amnesty days/weeks too - not a buy back, but you could drop off your illegal firearms at your local garda station. Quite a few had guns from the 1920s-30s from previous generation due to civil war hidden away, and also arms from the IRA times in the 70s. The dad of my siblings friend volunteered to drop off all the neighbours/locals guns for them, it was meant to be anonymous but your local garda probably knows you!
and then look how authoritarian Australia became XD
Say what? Did you not know Australia outranks the US in EVERY freedom index?
An unarmed law abiding civilian is called a target. You fail to mention how many people were saved by the proper use of a firearm.
I live in Britain I have been robbed twice and stabbed 47 times I'm not in any gang. I wish it was legal to carry a handgun if you have a license imagine if citizens could defend themselves how quickly knife-crime would go down muggings home invasions . do you know they advertise in London for people to not wear a watch otherwise you will get robbed at knife point most likely
You ain't been stabbed 47 times 😭 if you're going to lie make it realistic
Sure kiddo, sure. Meanwhile, the US has over QUINTUPLE the UK homicide rate. So tell me again about how much safer they are with all those guns?
If the uk had legal cc their would be non-stop shootings 😂
@@DarrellWilkerson4.6 Just like in the US. It's weird how they think that makes them safer lol.
If there is a national disarming of U.S citizens, the only people with guns will be the government and cops. And when there is someone in power who may threaten the fabric of the nation, who will be there to uphold the rights of its citizens ? Most of the governments thriving today are the result of a revolution overthrowing the last which were overstepping boundaries. Gun laws are great when a population doesn't need guns at the moment, but when you do need them, what can you do against those using them against you?
It’s a futile argument at this point. I agree with you, but easily half the world’s population is subhuman cattle. They will do as their told by their superiors, and if that order is to disarm, they will disarm.
The question: Where are these individuals get their guns from?
From the Yugoslavia War
In more ways than you think of.
The second shooter actually got his automatic rifle (which are illegal for civilian ownership in Serbia) from his dad, who was a corrupt army officer.
I feel Australian law enforcement in several of the states went overboard since airsoft guns and gel blasters are considered firearms based on the belief that somehow, they could be converted into real guns. This is despite that these replica weapons are made from plastic and aluminum and would explode if real ammunition was somehow jammed into them.
I honestly can't believe they picked Australia as an example of working gun-laws.
That said, you could absolutely convert those toys into working weapons.
You could also, with the same effort, build a firearm from hardware store parts.
So it isn't really a 'good' argument.
Airsoft will probably be allowed but the guns will have restrictions and only certain types, and registration/background check will apply.
Firearm related homicides peaked and have been on the decline on Australia since ~1969 or arguably 1980 a in either case 16 to 27 years before the buyback. Anyone can look that up on the Australian institute of criminology. Meanwhile the overall homicide rate has trended upward since a low in 1950. People find a way.
Interesting that you quote a primary source then lie about the data. The homicide rate is now half what it was in the mid 90's, do tell how that is 'trending upward'?
@@ratofvengenceit trended up a few years after the ban
@@patrickbateman1660 Guns are still legal to own in Australia; but we don't let any clown own them like 'Murica does. The homicide rate plunged after the change to handgun laws in 2002, and stayed down. The OP lied.
the last school shooting in the UK was 1996. we had a gun amnesty too. we are safer and freer than the US because of it. and don’t try to compare a semi automatic military killing machine with a kitchen knife; it ‘ant the same.
"semi automatic military killing machine ' you have absolutely no knowledge of guns, do you?
Obviously we can’t compare the UK with the US because they don’t have the right the bear arms. He right, it aint the same.
I’ll make sure to bring a knife proof vest with me to London
@@FrankLipp-sc8hz The US has a HIGHER knife homicide rate than the UK. Didn't you know?
Freer? You mean the country that arrests people for making jokes on the internet?
I like how the ending is hopeful and uplifting for Serbia, but doesnt even mention US 😭
the US are neck deep in, they need to do actual progress before the international community can be uplifting
There is not much illusion outside of the US about the fact that half that country is ok with children being mowed down by mini-guns.
I think it's pretty well established.
As a Serb, i'd tell You that it's actually uplifting because Serbia is trying to make a change now and is by the size of Maryland. US will never be able to revert their law and reduce gun possession because of the sheer size and mentality of the people. In Serbia, there's only 5mil of us, we at least have a chance to disapear from the map of gun possession in a fast way...or so we hope.
@@ddule8762 Why should we want to get rid of our guns when we don't have a gun problem? Serbia has the same murder rate as the UK. Guns aren't the issue.
@@ddule8762because we don’t genocide our people because of what they looked like?
"gun violence" crime is shown to be lowered, but what about regular violent crime?
Did that also go down? or did it just "shifted".
we have more than twice the guns per capita as the second place country, which is in the middle of a civil war. holy cow
This piece ignores the cost. Who pays for a gun buyback? Approx half of Americans own guns. Most have approx $5k to $10k invested in firearms.
That’s $1.3 Trillion USD.
You think those folks will just happily take the financial hit?
It also assumes every state and police force will just comply. I don't see rural red county sheriff's complying with a mandatory gun buyback especially if their states don't either
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv of course. I mean If usa could magically get to the point where it’d be considered. Which it won’t. Then there’s the actual bill.
I personally know dozens of folks in firearms community with 50-150k worth of guns. They won’t be like “here. You can have them for $10”
And you betcha they would lawyer up and fight tooth and nail against this. Multiply that by millions of people like that.