Divided island: How Haiti and the DR became two worlds
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2017
- One island, two worlds.
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Haiti and the Dominican Republic share a border, and an island. But the two countries are very different today: the Dominican Republic enjoys higher quality of life for many factors than Haiti. I went to this island and visited both countries, to try and understand when and how their paths diverged. And I began to learn how those differences are playing out in the present.
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The only other important thing that was not mentioned is that in 1822, When the DR became independent, the president of Haiti marched in with 10,000 troops and unified the island, making Dominicans 2nd class citizens. The way the Haitian president paid the French off was by making the people of the DR pay for it. The Haitians occupied the DR until ousted 1844 and have been hated ever since. This in no way justifies the present treatment of Haitians but it does give context on why the Dominicans hate Haitians so much
Kyle Fisher This is the most balanced comment I've ever read, there's so much hatred from others.
but, like you said, "this in no way justifies the present treatment of Hatians". 1844 was a very long time ago, maybe its time for the island to unify once more and give Haiti the help it deserves.
LumpySpaceBrotha come again? Who said that in order to help a country it should be unified with its neighbor? By this surreal logic Mexico should be integrated within the US?
Boyer is not liked in Haiti, he is seen as a traitor who prefered light-skinned people.
The fact it, "in no way justifies the treatment of Haitians" means that it's not worth mentioning and is not important. That would be like saying because the confederates invaded the Union states and killed millions of Union soldiers that we should now revoke citizenship of all people wearing confederate flags. You're just bringing it up in order to give someone a tool to argue it. "My brother once told me that nothing a man says before the word, "but" really counts." - Benjen Stark
I am from Jamaica
I always knew that Haiti wasn't financially strong but I didn't know it was this bad.
It burns me to see my neighbors like this.
That's why I am troubled by the level of voilence in my country Jamaica against one another..
Neighbors??..... Na ... Your brothers and sisters!
Keep in mind that Papa Doc cursed his people and his country by dedicating Haiti to Lucifer and making their main religion Voodoo. This is cursing the land and must be abolished for a turnaround.
They are not financial strong because they've been taken advantage of by white people. I'm disappointed in how the DR is treating Haitians.
mscardioqueen im From DR. And i hate how here we treat the Haitians... they only want a good life...
That part about the bus ride checks is so true. An American citizen, I lived in the DR for nearly 2 years and only darker toned people were checked...constantly. That included myself.
Once, a Dominican guard got so mad that he could not treat me any old kind of way because of my American passport that he hit my window seemingly out of frustration.
Maybe it is because 99.99% of haitians are dark skinned africans?
that's so infuriating omg
When you can't beat up one of the black people because hes american
@@dulguunjargal1199 Only American cops can beat up an American ****, oh yeah.
I never knew the Dominicans where so racist. I'm just learning about this stuff as a black american...wow🙆🏾♂️
you ignored the fact that Haiti occupied DR for 20+ years and attempted to genocide the Dominicans.
People don’t understand that poverty isn’t a choice, it isn’t a lifestyle... it’s an inheritance.
Well, it’s partly a choice. You can choose to get up from poverty or just sit there.
Alexander Christopher explain how any of these Haitians got a choice.
Alexander Christopher poverty is a lack of money not a lack of intelligence
@@alexanderchristopher6237 poverty isn't a choice, you can't just 'choose' to not be poor. Have you heard of something called the cycle of poverty?
Alexander Christopher not rlly but ok
at the last minute, my heart just break when I saw the woman, she still keeps smiling while knowing that injustice in front of her
@themailman43 nothing gives dominican the right to threat anyone lower.
@themailman43 nothing goves dominicans the right to threat haitians lower.
@themailman43 it is still immoral atleast this video is making it known
@themailman43 it is still immoral, atleast the video is making it known.
themailman43 yes, that is what it means to be alive,and a living good hearted human being, to help your brothers and sisters when they are struggling... because if YOU don’t have everything you need to live a high quality peaceful life, than I DONT have everything I need... if you don’t have it, I don’t have it... because the “I” is the biggest LIE! There is no such thing as an individual, myself and my body never actually experience anything of myself, because the reality I experience is who and what I see, touch, taste, smell, hear, that surrounds me... we are defined by our surroundings, NOT the individual bodies...
"The Spaniards killed off of all of the indigenous people but they didn't exploit it like the French did." Interesting take
Right?!
The Spanish didn't exploit the land - obviously they exploited the people
It does make sense in context. Most of them died due to disease and not forced labor.
The remained ones intermingle with the Spaniards and assimilated.
They didn’t exploit the land.
Meaning they didn’t destroy the soul by forcefully harvesting the same crop.
Certain soil needs 2-3 years to rejuvenate the minerals in order to produce another crop. Otherwise you destroy all the earth, and it becomes barren.
The Spaniards didn’t do that, mainly because they understand agriculture.
Exactly how the French did to Sicily, vs. what the Spaniards did.
Not really. The few remaining survivors from the smallpox pandemic assimilated with Hispanic people and Afro-Latinos throughout centuries of colonialism
It’s very shocking to see two dramatically different environments on the same island
From physical to mental states
From ecological to educational
From economical to health
The fact that France had the audacity to tell Haiti that it owed them money after "stealing" themselves is just absolutely absurd and makes me so pissed off.
it was common practise back then
You realise haiti literally invaded and oppressed san domingue for decades. But im sure that debt from near 200 years ago is why they are poor today lol.
You know Greece still owes money from like 2 thousand years ago lol it can happen. And the real king of England is a farmer now in Australia because he ancestor went bankrupt lol.
Jesus ´Is that not the same as the EU is trying to brexiting Emgland.
@@andrewilliams2139 Source?
It's rough when your "rich" neighbor is still a country where half the people have left for a better life in the US because there's no work.
I'm from DR, and this is the harsh truth
dominican republic has the right to stop ilegal inmigration that destroys them...allwaya playing the card of "racism".....hipocryts...
@@jlm190 you sound like white supremacists telling Mexican to go back to Mexico
Not true, plenty of work and opps to even start your own biz. Immigrants come to the US from all over the world, doesnt mean the world is struggling.
Ummm no, there really is a lot of work in the DR, those who go to the USA is because they want to have it easier with a lot of help from the government, period
As a Greek I want to thank the Haitians for being the first country to support our war of independence in 1821 🇬🇷🇭🇹
You mean Greece was colonized? I thought that was the land of the birth of civilization
@@manuelamakau4719 By the turkish Ottoman Empire along with most of the Balkans
Finally, somebody!
Your welcome as a Haitian
@@mattiaopper7182 we didn't colonyiez the balkan we just conquer it
Do a report on the aid offered by the Dominican Republic to Haiti that consumes the DR's health budget 🇩🇴 and the education of public schools paid for by the Dominican state so that Haitians can study in them. Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 cannot solve the Haitian problem France 🇫🇷 Canada 🇨🇦 and USA 🇺🇸 are rich countries and can forgive Haiti's external debt
This is so sad. It's so unfair that the first free black country faced so much racism for their bravery. The Hatians are beautiful and strong. Love from India
Indian too
I am half Indian, and half-Haitian. After going to India, we could not go to Haiti.
The first free Black Country? Wasn’t that Ethiopia, or other African kingdoms?
@@fg-yp7rz what?
@@Daniel-bb9qj Ethiopia was never colonized
"After massacring the indigenous population they didn't exploit the land like the french did" wow what saints.
Lol i laughed when he said that but it makes sense though, the French destroyed Haitian soil by keeping the economy based on one crop sugar cane
Spain abolished slavery in its colonies in 1513. The US abolished slavery on their own soil in 1865. Spain started with agressive conquering methods just like other super powers but they were abandoned much more quickly.
Hahaha
Right?!?!? The Spanish weren’t exactly kind. 🤦🏾♀️
Europeans still haven't changed!
Not to excuse Spanish colonization, but you can always see a stark difference between the places Spain conquered, administered and then left, and the places France conquered and administered. Legally, Spain granted native indigneous peoples citizenship and equal legal footing (even though It might not have been transalated to complete equality in practice) since the 16th century, just a couple years after they colonised the land, something that no other imperial power ever did until they were internationally pressured or nationally forced to. Again, this does not excuse colonization but, in an attempt to not be anachronistic, it shows a huge difference in how Spain regarded its colonised land (at least at the beginning).
RD no esta compuesta por nativos, al menos no en una cantidad significativa, asi que ese comentario no tiene mucho valor en este video.
@@alexanderdelacruz3162 en realidad si lo tiene, porque después de que la mejoría de los nativos murieron en rsclavitud y por enfermedades, el resto se casaron y tuvieron hijos con spañoles y africanos, la razón por lo cual el país es tan diverso en genética
Very well said, significant differences should be emphasized between the colonizers and their respective transitional strategies (include the Brits , Portuguese, Dutch, Germans ...). Let's not re-awaken old prejudices and gripes however.
Colonisation doesn't need to be excused. It's one of the greatest things to have happened to the Americas. Without it, the area would be made up of primitive, equally violent tribes and would have none of the progress that Europe brought. People need to stop viewing colonisation as a negative. It isn't. Roman colonisation wasn't a negative for France, England or Spain - and the colonisation of the Americas overall moved the continent forward albeit in a lopsided and violent way.
Regarding your point about the Spanish - this is absolutely true. The old towns in San Juan, Santo Domingo and Havana are marvels. The Spanish built universities, Cathedrals, tons of infrastructure. They even intermarried.The French and British saw their colonies as mere factories and invested nothing in them.
The same comparison you can see the difference between French and British..in African countries
The sadness overwhelms me, but thanks for posting. I'm assuming there are rich folks in Haiti, the few, who make sure things don't change.
You mean the politicians, wealthy outsiders and charities that want things to stay the same?
You forgot to mention that Dominican Republic got its independence from Haiti. The Haitian government occupied DR during 22 years. That’s another reason why they’re still having problems between each other.
Yep, the 22 years of occupation, killing of their 2 fav presidents during the 72 year civil war and the parsley massacre, but that one’s on DR
Wow very sad and disturbing I never knew this 😥
They conveniently circumvented that fact in the documentary.
@@krashcash these documentary only wants to tell a story how they want to
And Hatians tried to wipe them out with a genocide... funny how the always forget that when accusing the Dominicans
Why doesn't France pay Haiti for all the horrible things they put those people through?? The effects of abuse last for generations.
Because they are European
Cynthia MM
What horrible things?
James Miller Bringing Africans there as slaves, robbing the island of its natural resources, leaving them there to fend for themselves with sanctions, embargoes etc ensuring the country does not prosper simply because they wanted freedom. I could keep going. Why is that not enough?
How would you feel if your government said let's pay your tax money to another country, because we feel bad for them?
@@Stength nice point!
This is unfortunate, but as a Dominican I can assure that we have helped (and continue helping) Haitians more than any other country in the world.
Obviously, we can see how many ONG and countries makes pressure on us to “accept” them and open our borders but they just deport them when they’re trying to get a better life in those countries. Irony.
More than any other country in the world uh? 🤔.
But y'all keep deporting illegal Haitians and even their RD born kids back to Haiti. Some help that is.
My country in the other hand, had taken thousands of Haitians after the 2010 earthquake that devastated Haiti. Thousands fled looking to get into the the US but they were rejected. We had to take them in, and know this they are hard workers and have integrated into our society, ask anyone in Tijuana about the Haitians and nobody has anything bad to say about them. At least here they behave and act accordingly, with respect thus they're reciprocated.
Cheers 🍻
He estado en la R.D. y suscribo lo dicho. Los dominicanos ayudan a los haitianos en todos los sentidos.
Dominicans also slaughter the Haitians by the border. There is already a great disdain for Haitians in the DR, 10x’s worse on the border. You saw the mistreatment first hand with Dominican border guards not allowing Haitian sales people into the market. It’s supposed to be for both countries equally, yet they treat them like dogs
how is that sentiment true when the DR president is literally helping gangs slaughter Haitians. Stop. Just say you're wrong.
As a Dominican, my country is far from perfect, but the Haitians aren’t completely innocent in all of this either. They should have spoken about the things Haitians have done to the Dominicans like attempting genocide during the 1800s. At least portray both sides fairly.
That was 200 years ago and it has no real affect in modern society. Haitian people today aren’t responsible to what their ancestors did. What DR is doing to Haitian people today is extremely cruel and yes racist. Even people dark skinned Dominicans are being harassed because of these policies, but it’s funny that you don’t give similar energy to gringos who are descendants of other colonisers.
Do explain about the genocide.
@@henrycruz4966 long story made very short. The Haitians were at one point in charge of the island and they were enslaving the Dominicans and killing them. That's a very very short version but that's the main idea
@@henrycruz4966 racist Haitians committed a genocide against light skin Dominicans in order to achieve their only black island utopia
It’s Vox what do you expect?
"We have to keep coming back. We have no choice but to continue accepting mistreatment. We're shameless." Then she smiles and breaks my heart.
It breaks my heart yet simultaneously gives me hope. It shows that NOTHING can keep the spirit of the people down truly. The treatment is reprehensible yet her smile displays a beautiful soul that will NEVER be dominated.
She made me cry too. Her smile just got to me. Such an admirable spirit.
yeah, that smile under the circumstances was the most brave thing i have seen
That smile and the shameless part got me too …
Apparently, being a minority in a country that's thriving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being the majority in a country that's struggling or repressive.
To save your time: France is the reason
Should have stayed French and profit now...
@@nelsonmandela9590 the french treated haiti the same way king leopald treated congo.
@1manuscriptman king leopald worked the people of congo to death. French worked haitians to death.
@1manuscriptman king leopold and his troops tortured the congo people. The enslaved were tortured by the french.
@1manuscriptman king leopold troops assaulted woman, french assaulted enslaved woman.
Foreigners always think it's about racism but it's not. Haiti invaded the Dominican Republic and ruled it for 22 years. The Dominican Republic celebrates its independence when it fought and won it from the Haitians. Today haitian's quietly invade the Dominican Republic and put a great stress on its social services especially Medical services. Like all countries the Dominican Republic has the right to control its borders and protect its people. They may not have done it in the best ways at times but really, that's what it comes down to.
I'm in my sixties and remember a friend from school, who came originally from another island, telling about Papa Doc Duvalier and about voodoo. The picture he painted was horrifying, it would seem that he wasn't exaggerating. This was in the late 1960s.
Just a friendly reminder. No former French colony is doing well till today.
ngede nkiondalle I mean you could make a pretty good case for the French Southeast Asian colonies, as well as their Canadian and Louisianan colonies. But aside from those, yeah the rest aren’t doing well all.
ngede nkiondalle
Vietnam. But they did hate them though.
ngede nkiondalle cough cough Canada cough
Canada is doing pretty well
WeiYinChan I mean Canada was a British colony that annexed a French colony so the might also be a factor
Why didn't the UN built the second market on the Haitian side?
Maureen Gordon they don’t care about Haitians
Very good question
Because they don't have to!
Because it would make too much sense
The money is in DR side, I doubt DR people would want to go Haitian side for shopping?
Extremely interesting that while discussing the history of Haiti you completely neglected to mention that shortly after independence from France, Haitians continued slavery, killed ethnically mixed people in the county and invaded The DR multiple times.
The DR's Independence Day celebratates its freedom from Haiti, not Spain.
Of course Dominicans don't like Hatians.
I am Haitian and it makes me cry to see people from my country and ancestors being treated like this
Khloe Vital your Haitian government should be held accountable, period!
Haiti is strong.
@@GLENNYS212 That too, but this is something that has to do with racism in the Dominican Republic.
The change needs to come from a change on their political arena. Haiti needs to raise up against injustice within their own, but they also need help to do it
Jj T what does racism has to do with the government not doing the right thing for their own people beginning with not giving them a certificate at birth! DR is not Haiti’s mother!!!
Very opportunely the presenter omitted that 1822 Haiti occupied DR by force, and that for 22 years Haiti obtained control of the entire island, taking advantage of the wealth of both nations to pay part of the debt with France. That is where the rivalry between nations is born. DR obtained its independence from Haiti. If you are Dominican in Haiti, you will not be treated well, but the documentary only shows part of the story
Whilst I agree, that was a long time ago. None of those people are alive anymore. Just forgive and forget.
Bring on the table something that happened over 200 years ago isn’t very fair
@@stevenelmas8629 Slavery in the United States happened more than 200 years ago and people are still bringing it to the table. Is it fair to do it in America but not in DR/haiti?
@@taelove9830 no one has forgotten the Parsley Massacre, just as no Dominican has forgotten the devil's span that gave the order.
Trujillo, a dictator on the Dominican side for 30 years gave the order, because he got angry that the border was again being pushed by Haitian settlers. Even if there was a treaty signed, even if more than 6km2 were given to Haiti, it was a truly HEINOUS act.
And the irony of it all is that Trujillo himself was a descendant of Haitians.
@@stevenelmas8629 is not only "fair" it's necessary. Knowing the whole history is paramount in understanding how to go past it.
It's not because they're black, a lot of Dominicans are black too, it's just that they're from a different culture, you're projecting your American perspective on a situation that is not American in nature.
I love Haitians & Dominican’s some of the most accepting people I’ve ever had the encounter of meeting. If your an outsider they both bring you in and treat you like family. And the food is amazing. The real conversation should be who’s makes better-fried plantains? 🇩🇴🇭🇹
Man, I will never complain about my life from now on.
things happen to everyone in all lifestyles, but it definitely puts things into perspective. I was raised to appreciate the little things in life, but I was even more humbled after my first visit. And after all they have been thru, they are still very proud & make due with the cards dealt. Very inspiring.
I'm Dominican and I have so much love for my Haitian brothers and sisters. I don't see them any different than myself; I wish love & prosperity upon Haiti and it's people.
@@rytiskurcinskas7179 Stop with your hatred, work on yourself to be a better person.
@@starofthehighestpowers9837 question is are you black or white or hispanic ?
Vox should make a video how American guards treat Mexico people crossing the border.
@@rytiskurcinskas7179 I'm Dominican so I am latina.
Rytis Kurcinskas I don’t know where you live, but it looks like you don’t live in DR. The Haitians already came and everywhere I go here in the capital and in Puerto Plata, I see Haitians. You don’t have to go far to listen to somebody speaking Haitian Creole here. I don’t know when they are going to destroy the country but they already came!
As a Dominican, the narrative that is being presented without seeing what was done to us throughout history, is laughable.
Well don't blame Africans blame the Europeans they killed most y'all population
And this presenter has now graduated to his own channel DEVOTED to the evils of “white America”……his name is Jimmy something. All he does is Victim Villain narratives.
I agree with you. The dude doing the video didn't do proper research. I took black history it school and I'm no expert but I know more than this dude. It seems his research was just talking parts of other RUclips videos and not actually reading a book
how history can make deportation of own citizen since 1929 acceptable? this people where born from generations in DR, know the language, have professions and homes, you just shoot yourself in the foot.
Are you going to hold up what happened 200 years ago over their heads forever? Should they hold Parsely over you forever?
I wish this guy make another film showing how Dominicans helped Haitians during the earthquake and to show how a lot of Haitians are becoming professionals in DR’ universities and to show how come DR despite of being a poor country is such as compassionate that a huge percent of its hospital beds are occupied by women Haitians pregnant without any cost/charges.
Please, let’s be a lit of bit fare🤔🙏
I never leave comments on any RUclips channels. But I was so touched by the lady with a big smile at the end of this video - 'I have no choice but to continue accepting mistreatment' .
She's being stupid.
@@vibrationalcurrency How?
@@lukesousa9986 there are bad people in every race, no-one deserves to be mistreated,
@@lukesousa9986 The woman goes to a market to help herself and her family and is treated like that, that is wrong.
@@lukesousa9986 Haiti is DR second largest trading partner outside the U.S.
Does nobody want to mention the horrific earthquakes that destroy their cities
Hayden Campbell does somebody wants to mention that the Clintons stood with the money peoples donate for the Red Cross and the only country helping them was DR ? Right that nobody talks about
Yas San i was talking about earthquakes but ok 😐
I dont know what you want mentioned about this, is that part of the problem? Natural disasters racist or something?
Also what the comment above means is that this kind of documentary does not put forward the good side of the Dominican people, they demonize them, while we are actually helping and then called racist for it.
@@cra2690 like i said before haiti does not want foreign troops. Haiti acts the same way with the UN and the US.
@@cra2690 It says nothing of the Dominican people, other than they are allowed preferential treatment, and apparently don't like Haitians (coming from Haitians that are continually mistreated by border officials). It speaks to the nation, not the people.
Every Haitian I've ever met are some of the most gracious and humane individuals. God bless these wonderful people.
And some machete killers.
Seems like you have not met many of them….
@@windsorw7003 creepy thing to say. Was that really necessary?
@@jimgriffiths9071don't you see is a head down person who talking why you even answer him
It's like the US and Mexico. Its not DRs responsibility to figure out Haiti's issues.. They got their own issues. Dominicans and Haitians are different culturally and language and don't get along because of it.
Not at all. (Legal) Mexican Americans are given the same respect and opportunities as other Americans. Besides Mexico is actually developed compared to Haiti. Mexico has a pretty good economy, low unemployment and strong government institutions while Haiti is basically just a dump sadly.
They also don't get along because Haiti invaded and occupied The DR multiple times.
This is so sad :( I want Haiti to become a successful country.
truths of knowledge if only religion could be applied in the practical world
@Carolyn Ekuka and u curse with stupidity
Me too
You need to convince its citizens.
@Carolyn Ekuka idolatry... voodoo
Imagine having to pay back what you were exploited to create lol smh
happened in many (all?) ex-colonies in the Americas and Africa.
Smh
@@RcsN505 not saying that they should be treated this way either
What ?
@Juan Suarez "[the debt was] the modern equivalent of US$21 billion for the "theft" of the slaveowner's "property" and the land that they had turned into profitable sugar and coffee-producing plantations. This independence debt was financed by French banks and the American Citibank, and finally paid off in 1947." , Wikipedia, External debt of Haiti.
So it is not 200 years ago. It is not to imagine where Haiti would stand without having to pay the debt and being treated equally. In addition to the debt France forced them to export haitian goods with a 50% discount to them. Sure Haiti has its own agency but there are many external factors we know about that made and makes it hard for Haiti to thrive.
History is not about thinking or believing what happened but scientifically knowing.
My parents are from Haiti. They always told me about the struggles they had but I never knew it was this bad.
Thank you for bringing awareness to the masses. I always wondered how can one side of the island be different than the other side
I’m Dominican and I did a presentation about it a long time ago I think in fourth grade, and honestly it was sad to learn the history about both Haiti and the DR
Be careful with VOX, they're left wing radicals who would never acknowledge that prosperity differences in two countries are due to hereditary IQ differences.
@@MS-ly4mx Not all white nations have high average IQ just like all black nations don't have 65, some have above 80. Also Argentina has 20x higher GDP per capita than Haiti.
@@mudzibaba You don't need to take an IQ test for us to know where you lie.
Gadlajk you can’t be serious with the iq thing, right? I mean every country has its own pace with development and this is nothing to do with iq. It’s a matter of circumstances
@@mudzibaba You're so freakin Rasist, and worst part is, you don't even know that you're that Racist
I am Dominican and I've lived here my entire life. There are a few things wrong in this video. I don't consider myself a patriot, so this is not a defense for "my beloved homeland", but for the truth:
First off, this is not a racial issue. It's a social-class one. Dominicans don't dislike Haitians because they're black (that's pretty stupid, we Dominicans are black too), it's because they're poorer. There's a huge problem in the deep core of the DR: Social inequality. People here don't treat Venezuelans the same way, even though some of them are black, and they don't treat African Americans the same way. Even here in my country, if you're poor, you're the pest. Rich Dominicans hate poor Dominicans. It's social inequality, not racism. Haitian is synonym for poor and thus the hate.
Secondly, this video forgets to mention that Haitians, after becoming independent from France, came here and slaughtered natives, took their properties, and enslaved many of them, and the DR became independent from them on February 27th, 1844, being one of the most celebrated days here, and dragging that hate to the present day.
Third, this video forgets to mention that the DR, even though it's a poor country and with the hate history, has helped Haiti a lot. In 2010, after the earthquake, the then president Leonel Fernandez opened the border so they could come in to get medical treatment. That plus the huge amount of Haitians who had come here illegally, filled the country with illegal Haitians. They had to go back to their country, but here's the problem: They deliberately started having babies. If they have babies, their babies are now Dominican (and therefore legal), so the government was under pressure: Are you gonna deport a legal Dominican? Besides, we Dominicans even require VISAs to go into Haiti! So the government decided to re-write the constitution to be able to deport them with their families, but BEFORE, giving them a chance to become legal. However many of them didn't pay attention and some of them just left.
Yes, there's hate, hate in both sides, and I hate that hate. Everyone here knows at least one Haitian and they are good people who just wanna work and move on.
But there are two faces in this coin and you barely told us one.
Well this escalated quickly^^
The Big Fish You literally ignored all of the historical facts clearly explaining Haiti's current state to vomit all these disgusting and bigoted "proofs" about iq and races. I bet your racist ass didn't even watch the video. Also, just a fun fact: The guy that liberated Haiti from slavery, Toussaint Louverture, was an intellectually gifted man who taught himself how to read when he was just a kid and still a slave and also taught himself the art of war to defeat 2 of the best European armies (namely French and British) so your arguments about Black being retarded is just a barely disguised excuse to freely hate black people.
"This isn't about race" ... It is just coincidental that they check the papers of the darkest people on the bus ?
I guess the us can do the same in rescinding birthright citizenship
Don't forget about the hospital and the university the Dominican government built in Haiti after the earthquake. I agree with you that it has more to do with social class than with skin color. I went to school in the DR with rich Haitians and I never heard anyone say anything negative about them. They were usually the best students in my classes.
This is so sad no one should have to live like this
This has been forced on Haiti by outsiders that have never wanted the country to rise
2 of my aunts live in haiti
Did he said “relatively rich”? The vast majority of Dominicans living in DR only eat twice a day and live in a very similar situation to our neighbor Haiti. DR had always done more for Haiti than any other really rich country.
I live in a rich country and I only eat twice a day
My Puerto Rican friends told me Dominican go to Puerto Rico work in construction jobs send money home and are treated with respect.
Also DR is much richer than Haiti can’t really compare the two
what? how are you comparing the dominican republic to haiti??? haiti's in a much worse state, the dominican republic is a way more stable country
@@plantaan26 I'm from the US and eat only lunch and dinner.
I’m Dominican and unfortunately many Dominicans are still very prejudiced towards Haitians. My grandmother calls my grandpa Haitian as an insult because he is dark skinned. Not all of us are like though, I hope that one day Haiti gets the help it needs.
I’d also like to point out that this video makes it seem like the D.R is a very rich country, which in reality it is not. The rich parts of D.R are usually the tourist areas and most of the island lives in extreme poverty- that is why my family moved to NYC in the 70s. Compared to Haiti, Dominican Republic is wealthy.
Nonsense. Blame the Clintons. They went there with Millions of US Dollars that was supposed to be used to build 100s of homes for these people. They built a dozen homes and left. It was the way the Clintons enriched themselvs while cheating others.
@CHEANG HAN RONG Moe read my last sentence
Hey man, fellow dominican here. I was born and raised in the Dominican Republic and I want to correct you on just one thing. Most people in the country don't live in extreme poverty, in fact only about an eight of the population lives in poverty, not extreme poverty, just poverty. The DR is disorganized, corrupt, and partially ignorant, yet one thing I am proud of is the fact that most Dominicans don't live in poverty or extreme poverty as you put it.
@Daraknid hey bro do you know while there's so much tension between Haiti and Dr ?
You human that it ❤️
The Haitian “hatred” began when Haiti invaded the Dominican Republic years ago and took over the entire island. It’s a shame that they didn’t mention this information during the video. They made it seem like there was no absolute reason why Dominicans acted that way towards Haitians. Its deeper than what the media portrays it to be.
Edit: All that aside. The editing and coloring of the video was just amazing. Truly beautiful.
Older General Skywalker Not all Dominicans act this way. It’s the same with police brutality in the United States. Is every policeman racist because of the actions of few individuals? No. It’s crazy. We just want Haitians to be legal in the country just like in the states. Get a residency. IT MAKES YOU LEGAL. We deport not only undocumented Haitians but also Europeans and Americans. This isn’t a race issue. Its a history issue.
And just to be clear the Haitians had a different constitution that ours. Even though our constitution said that to become Dominican you have to be born in the Dominican Republic, Haiti’s constitution said that it didn’t matter where you were born, if your parents are Haitians you are a Haitian. This contradiction was one of the reasons why the Dominican Republic changed it’s Constitution.
Gabriel Casati they fled to the Dominican Republic not invaded. Besides, why should something that has happened way in past, dictate how you treat people in the present. If that kind of attitude was applied in today's society African Americans should have hatred towards caucasians. Jewish descent should have hatred towards all Germans. And the French should hate the Spanish.
Older General Skywalker it was a mutual alliance which, suprise surprise. Haiti betrayed and also tried to invade. La trinitaria fought against Haiti's tyranny in exchange for them to fight against Spain's dominion, and guess who did not keep their side of the deal and then actually tried to take over the island again?
Nicholas Marcelin FLED???? YOU CALL THE MURDERERS WHO KILLED THOUSANDS OF DOMINICANS WHO DIED BECAUSE OF THEIR "FLEEING" TOWARDS OUR COUNTRY JUST LIKE THAT? See the beautiful thing about opinions is that everyone is unfortunately entitled to one, and although yours show literal no knowledge of our history or grasp of our society, it is still your opinion. I humbly exhort you to read current knews, the brutality of Haitians against our country, the university and hospital we made for them, and how they renamed them to the name of the leader of the dominican massacre.
Gabriel Casati so, why don't the Dominicans hate the Spanish?
Very brave and strong people. They fought for their freedom just to be punished for decades. Praying Haiti gets good Leadership that cares for their people soon and can become prosperous Country.. 🙏
No.
Like the first 4 Emperors for life they had?
Haiti has been independent for 200+ years... That isn't going to happen. Black majority countries have never developed into any kind of civilized or developed society. It has nothing to do with colonization either (over 200 years to improve and didn't)
didn’t they take over and tule the dominican republic for many years and put them under harsh treatment?
@@cody4916 Mansa Musa of Mali was the richest Man in the World and had a thriving civilization until he went flaunting his wealth to the Modern Egyptians. After that visit converted to Islam. He became consumed with the religion and development with university to teach it there that his wealth and empire diminished. There are several Kingdoms in Africa destroyed after colonization or religion. You are right. It was the Leader's fault. They failed the people. Hopeful for a change . There are developed and safe countries like Rwanda, Ghana, Senegal and parts of Nigeria like Lagos. Praying the rest will follow their lead.
Is there a Dominican side of the story? It seems like the video was focused on telling one side of the story..
The Dominican side is the European side, so if you listen to Dominicans you’re only gonna get the sanitized “it wasn’t so bad” version.
Yes. This "documentary" is very one sided. Shortly after gaining independence from France, Haitians invaded and occupied the DR multiple times and forced them to help pay their debts to France.
Obviously Dominicans show contempt for Haitians because of this.
I feel like this video was made by an outsider looking into the situation. I'm Haitian and I get along with Dominicans well. Not all Dominicans are racists. Not all Haitians are racists. Not everyone hates each other. There is more that meets the eye. Hell, one of my best friends is Dominican. There is a lot of history that explains the animosity (it exists). But, geez, it feels like Haitians are painted like poor victims when we have our issues and not everyone is extremely poor. DR is not insanely rich, but they did help out Haiti on several occasions. Plus, when one of the president's called out France for heavily taxing Haiti and crippling them, he disappeared. Also, worth mentioning how the U.S. loves to meddle on the island's business. Invading Haiti and ruling for two decades in some kind of military dictatorship? The various elections where U.S. has tried to be heavily implicated such as trying to have Wyclef Jean elected... ... ...
It was the same in the DR. The USA intervened and pretty much forced us. Our dictator Trujillo was trained by the US military and they encouraged his regime simply because he was not communist. And after he was assassinated, our first democratically elected president Juan Bosch was quickly “replaced” by Joaquin Balaguer, another American puppet.
Your comment is heavily well based and reflects the reality of this island. I'm dominican-american and have lived in DR for most of my life, I grew up respecting both haitians and and dominicans the exact same way. You are a well informed person that tells it like it is in regards to the Haitian-Dominican relationship.
Ma'am the laws & they are beating your people with sticks. You should be outraged
stop race baiting. thats all you americans are good for. did you know bill clinton/USA stole from haitis natural resources? DR has never done that. not even our most brutal dictators and we are their next door neighbors.
Auslander Marte yes I understand the Clintons but these atrocities happened before the Clintons. Race bating? These are racist laws!
"Independacnce Debt" what a joke
Spain did the same thing
@@freddyromariovasquezcairo2250 No, only France
It was to buy the land and it was Haiti's idea. JJ Dessalines came up with the idea as he'd seen Napoleon sell Louisiana to the Americans. The Haitian government was worried Charles X would follow on and sell "Saint-Domingue" to either the Spanish or the Americans, so wanted legal title. Charles X asked for (much) more, though Haiti got access not only to France's domestic market, but also Britain's markets were opened up.
@@ElGrandoCaymano you racist liar, Dessalines was dead before Charles X got to power. The reason why Charles X threatned was because the slaveowners wanted reperations for the lost "property". And the France did want to recognize haiti because they saw haiti as a threat to europeans.
@@ElGrandoCaymano you are either lying or do not know haiti history. France was planning to re-enslave haiti infact, Charles X brother was preparing for it but Napeleon returned ruining his plans.
Smhhh
I’m proud of Haiti for being a Republic! I hope in my life time they can rise up!
Like how they don't mention why there's so much hate towards haitians, not because they tried to exterminate the dominicans or occupied the DR and taxed dominicans to pay their dept... this documentary is so on sided it makes me sick. Lets not also say that when haiti had the earthquake the first to help them was DR.
This is a one-sided documentary. You could've taken 15 more minutes to explain how corrupt governments have kept Haiti from developing, how Haitian riches and assets are so unfairly distributed. The Dominicans also have a history of corrupt governments hindering the nation's development too, but what has happened in Haiti has to do a lot with the way they distribute and manage their own resources and how poorly they have handled their international relationships.
His Job Is To Demonize Dominican People He Does Not Care About The Pain And Sufferings Done To The Dominican People By The Hands Of Those Lovely Haitians.
What you said is partly true. The Dominicans were corrupt but they were patriotic and not patrio-pocket as opposed to Haiti. However, paying France 30 billion dollars in gold crippled Haiti. Other slave owning countries ostracized Haiti and did not allow Haiti to develop. If Haiti use the Rwanda Model, Haiti will be able to develop ruclips.net/video/PNM8WD-_TXY/видео.html
That's very true. I admit I forgot about the absurd debt Haiti had to pay to France and that plays a huge part on the status of the country's development. Thank you for the reminder.
Black people are the eternal victims remember that, they'll throw out anything that doesn't support their narrative.
It is also important to remember that Haiti invaded DR and oppressed the citizens there to use the DR's wealth to pay off France. Even after finally achieving independence 22 years later, DR was then occupied by the Spanish for 4 years, and by the Americans for 8 years. Haiti achieved independence first and started out with a much more able military and industry, the situation could be quite different had the Haitians continued that path.
When France told Haiti, "You owe us a debt for all of the assets that you stole from us when you became independent", they were specifically referring to the cost of the slaves that were freed. In other words, they were saying "When you freed yourselves, you stole yourselves from us, and now you have to pay us" (which is absurd). And since France had already destroyed Haiti's farmland, Haiti would have starved without trade -- and France pressured other nations not to trade with Haiti until Haiti paid. Haiti still has not recovered from that.
Also, back then there was no UN for Haiti to complain to. There was no Soviet Union or China to supply arms, military training, advisers and trade. No one wanted to help this Black nation prosper. That's why things are so bad in Haiti.
Michael Waddell wrong. Yes the French did make us pay for our freedom BUT we did sorta recover. We never developed into a 1st world but people wasn’t starving and living on thrash like today. We even took care of the Dominicans at one point. The country went into a disaster dive 30 years ago after baby doc left. Our politicians since then is what got Haiti in this condition
@@depohoudini7080 Thank you for the information
It didn't even end there. Haiti has been prey even after that. It's democratic, stable government beings looted by criminals like the Bill Clinton White House etc... The predatory behavior on Haiti has only continued.
@Justin Credible Stop being such a crybaby! The internet allows people to be brutally honest about their REAL feelings! So people can understand how others see them and perhaps work to change their opinions!
I get it, your feelings are hurt. No one likes you. But would you rather have people pretending to like you to your face, but tearing you down behind your back? If I interviewed you for a job, would you want me to tell you how great an addition you would make to our company and that we will call you after finishing all the other interviews. And then NOT call you? Or would you want me to tell you that we're not going to hire you because you lack a certain certification that is required for the job and you should reapply after obtaining this qualification?
The truth may hurt, but hiding in your safe space (aka your mother's basement) is no way to go through life.
I visited a Haitian ghetto in DR. I talked to them and felt how hard their lives in DR.
They should go back to their country then, if their lives are so bad in the DR
And Dominicans too because they also lived on those conditions, but that's not Dominicans fault.
Jesús Christ if I wasn't a Dominican living in the DR i would believe all of these to it's entirety.
I am from Europe, is there anything that he didn't say or was wrong?
@@andid9807 everything he said is wrong, there's this agenda for the Dominican Republic to take on the Haitian issue, if you search "Haiti" on here you'll see that all are a kind of blackmail
As an independent country DR has every right not to let the haitians in. If there was any justice in the world France should be forced to pay money for development of haiti.
Does this guy have the coolest job or what? Unreal
i've always wanted a job that allows me to travel, but they're hard to come by if you dont have either tons of experience in a specific field or a specific degree. I've always been jealous of guys like this
I'd rather be a Dancing Bear.
@@frankwhite1229 Lmao!!! 😂😂😂
He have amazing job
D MAN underrated comment
The last lady, her smile nearly made my cry...
same
Yeah.
me too
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Haitians are beautiful people... Such a beautiful woman 😥❤️
I am from Singapore. While it is not considered a full democracy, I am grateful that my country has progressed so much since its independence in 1965.
@Mata Telinga I would disagree with your assessment of the 1965 separation albeit it is from my perspective as someone from Singapore. All I can say is I am grateful that Singapore has been doing well economically.
@Mata Telinga True at least the ASEAN countries get along quite well.
Haitians do not want to take responsibility for their demise. Nations prosper when they make their country better, not because they immigrate to another one. Singapore is admired because they made it better against all odds (not perfect yet).
@@cristiandiaz6333 Singapore is fortunate to have leaders that are not corrupt. Many countries with far more resources than Singapore unfortunately have leaders who steal from the people and end up with a country in a mess.
@@GKP999 That's my point. I want DR (and Haiti as well) to be like Singapore. Dominicans are trying very hard to see that come true. But, the haitians cannot seen to agree on their future but one everyone who is not haitian to feel sorry for them.
This is not about race nor colorism, most Dominicans are black people too. It is not the Dominican Republic’s fault that Haitians have destroyed their country and now pretend to destroy our. They have to do what we did 50 years ago, put some effort,rebuild their country and stop acting as the victim.
Lastly they have to respect our land and democracy.
A thing worth noting about those 150 million francs that the French demanded after the Haitians revolted in the early 1800s is that it wasn't just for any kind of lost property - it was for the Haitians themselves. Haiti spent the next decades paying off their own very beings because a colonial power had lost them as slaves.
For more information on the history of Haiti, I would heartily suggest searching for medical anthropologist Paul Farmer, formerly a United Nations Special Envoy, and who popularized the concept of "structural violence", that is violence that is perpetuated not through personal force, but through political and economic policy by denying people movement, legal status, access to utilities, healthcare and so on. His writings on suffering, Haiti and related concepts are worth a look.
To Vox; thanks for making this video. And for all the misery and hardships covered, it was shot and edited very beautifully, and seamlessly integrated with the infographics and maps.
Enthused Norseman thank you for sharing this, your comment made me happier in the middle of so much hate and misinformation.
I'm intrigued, will look into the work of Paul Farmer, thanks for the recommendation. I've been researching Haitian history on and off for the past two years or so, and recently I came across a book (formerly known as Paradise Lost) by Philippe Girard. While it was surprisingly easy to read, it was also full of the opinions of the author, which I found unbearably racist. Have you read Girard's work? If so, what did you think of it? Any Haitian literature (from Haiti) you might know or recommend? Thanks!
France sucks..France is 10000% responsible for what they let Haiti suffer. Now France is trying to portray this problem as a Dominican one.
Enthused Norseman lol
Damn white people suck
Here's the dilemma if France decided to pay back the independence debt.....I wouldn't trust the Haitian government with that fund. The Haitian government is so corrupt from the greatest to the least of them. It sickens me.
Maybe today, but if that debt wasn’t leveled in the first place they never would have been in this situation to begin with
@@lucascurio8345 Haitian government is incompetent
@@lucascurio8345 there are countries with no kind of debt and theyre still corrupt. You can't blame other countries for their own countrymen's corruption
Exactly.
That’s not up to anybody external ti decide
I’m from DR and I feel bad for our neighbors, but we can’t do anything, we need outside help.
Honest Haitians will tell you that Haitians are mostly to blame for Haitis problems.
You mean Haitian government? Can you drop any sources so I can read about it?
Amazing how France charged Haiti for using their resources on land they stole. BTW I appreciate the likes and feedback. If you like hip hop, please subscribe to my channel for news and new music of the genre. Thank y’all.
another reason why i hate the bloody french
Mark Donald ok kool so I can come into your home, force you to clean up after me, then make you pay me for being there. That’s just the clean version.
@Mark Donald Wtf are u serious.
@Mark Donald nah, i hate the french most out of any race in the world. I just think y'all dont have morals. A small percent might have but vast majorities are not ethical.
@@Amir-oy8vm and where are you from, Amir? Lmao
This video upsets me so much. It feels like only half has been covered there is so much more. Like the 22 years of slavery Dominicans went through before they were able to fight back to Haitians. There is a reason why the rules are so strict, Dominicans aren’t even allowed on Haitian land. This document only added what it wanted too
Avg IQ Haiti 67 vs DR 82. Maybe this has something to do with the situation 🤔
You really believe in IQ. 😏 I bet you’re obsessed with how smart you’re.
Your IQ - about 50.
The idea that Spain didn't exploit the DR is hilarious
We are Spanish descendants, get it; our grandparents were hard workers of their own lands to build and reproduce their family; the Island La Española was in constant alerts because of invasion from piratas, bucaneros, filibusters, and all the European countries that wanted to shortcoming Spain on lands and on seas. Get this we Dominicans are descendants from Spaniard, and Taínos, and Africans, whom Spaniards exploited, themselves? That ‘s when the independence from Spain happened because of the need and influences of the times; as time evolves its explanation is unnecessary.
Figure it out now days, Native Americans surrendering Americans and claiming that they were exterminated! The story is shortcoming the intelligence of Americans for centennials.
*did*
They're acting like colonization and slavery never happened in the DR. Hear them tell it, you'd swear their African ancestors came over as tourists. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
@@BlackMoonstone531 Our African ancestors decided to live in harmony with our Spanish ancestors, there were even French slaves who escaped to the Spanish side, that can give you an idea of how black people were treated here.
@@alexanderdelacruz3162 they won’t even bother to pick up a book or do their own research instead it’s people like us who have to educate them about our country.
In the video it is not mentioned that after Dominican independence, the president of Haiti invaded the country making the Dominicans become lower class citizens, causing the Dominicans to arm a revolution and emerge victorious, that is one of the reasons why Dominicans have been afraid that history will repeat itself, and even so, in the 2011 earthquake, the Dominicans were the first to offer help to their border neighbors, all the racist Dominicans should not be globalized since many Haitians live together with the Dominicans without any problem.
@@taelove9830 did you forget about the moca massacre ? You know the first act of genocide which was from the Haitians towards the Dominican. Why mention the second one ? The first one don’t count ?
Thanks. I didn't know of Haiti's prior agression on the Dominican people. However, as with many wars, adversaries eventually become allies. Look at The United States and all of its prior enemies.
@@taelove9830 ¿Y el degüello de Moca y Santiago?, ¿Eso sí no existe para tí verdad?
Pretty inaccurate excuse. The Spaniards also invaded DR and mistreated Dominicans, but until this day MANY Dominicans still have high regards of Spain, consider themselves white and even think of Spain as the motherland. Why don’t they have hostility towards Spaniards like they do of Haitians?
@@danielmediavilla3839 In addition, many times we aren’t hospitable to ourselves the compatriots because there is a lot of crime, our police are being reformed in case you didnt know. I don’t know if you’re Dominican, and I think not because you would know the situation that we live here with them. Haitians are hardworking people, who strive every day to be able to live in this country that is in better conditions than his, my father has a bakery and has several employees who are Haitian and we all treat them as equals, in addition he is building some apartments with Haitian labor and let me tell you that they are kind people and that I treat them like any other person because that’s what they are, I have always worried about how they feel when a Dominican speaks to him because i don’t know if they agree how i talk with them
8:28. Keep reading... "With the exception of those in transit " what the high court did layer was specify who's in transit. .. anyone who entered the country illegally is basically "in transit" thus making them illegal even if born in Dominican land, being born in the D.R. DOESN'T make you an automatic Dominican citizen (just like 84% of the countries in the world). Fyi , Haitian citizens are never stateless as they have the Haitian citizenship regardless of where they're born per their own constitution. Just clarifying.
I love revisiting the Johnny Harris Vox material, great work from day 1
It sounds like the French should be paying and helping Haiti, because of the abuse they put them through
France should pay subsidies to Haiti because 200 years ago they requested money from Haiti? That does not make sense, you can't punish a people or a country because of their ancestors' actions.
@@stormoscar2628 France didn't request money, they threatened them to pay reparations to France for the money they lost from the slave revolt. It's outrageous that former slaves have to pay reparations to their former masters for having the audacity to free themselves.
Requested money. Lol
I do agree that i did formulate that sentence quite poorly. I did not mean the french was innocent in this regard, i only meant that you can't expect the french today, to pay for actions that their ancestors did. I want to make it very clear that i am not defending the actions of slavers. I am simply stating the fact that the french today are not slavers, they never were. Just because their ancestors many generations back did dumb things, dosen't mean that today's french should pay the price.
@@stormoscar2628 true, I see your point, however you can also look at the fact the US citizens of today never killed a Native American, or forced them off their land, yet they were given reparations and still have services to help them for past wrongs. One can also argue that if the French did not bring slaves there to begin with, there would be no Haiti needing help today.
Sounds like Vox made an emotional piece without covering the DR side.
What else is there to cover? Dominicans are racist. End of story.
This is social inequality more than racism since they are both afro descendants. I think work oportunities can help Haitians.
You think BLACK Dominicans could possibly have ties with the KKK and neo nazis??
Sc j You know so little about what’s going on down there you only heard one side of the story
#FACTS
What do you mene became to countries? THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TWO ENTITIES SINCE THE FRENCH ACQUIRED 1/3 OF HISPANOLA. TWO DIFFERENT CULTURES. DOMINICAN, ROMAN CATHOLIC AND SPANISH-MESTIZO ANCESTRY. HAITI, VOODOO FAITH DESQUISED AS CHRISTIAN AND OF BLACK ANCESTRY. TWO VERY DIFFERENT RACES AND CULTURES.
i would say many of their issues throughout the centuries is due to their twisted religion
I lived in Haiti for two years and I can tell you some truth that nobody wants to hear. Business is very very difficult if not impossible to do. Haitians are very aggressive wich is understandable at some point but I’ve seen death menacing for one day delay payment, this is one example but business people are confronted with many issues that in other countries don’t have it. So why invest in a country where people are so agressive. They should look up to their neighbor and see how the Dominican people atract so many tourists and business, in this world now if you don’t support business then you get yourself in trouble
Well said. It's a culture thing. Not in their makeup to be customer service friendly. Filipina women are good at this. I think they the most trusted with a stranger's baby. Haitian people unfortunately are not like that. I wouldn't use the term aggressive but you're not wrong. This turns away alot of business
I'm a Haitian, but my mother had a friend who was Donincan and she was always nice. Just bcz so ppl do something wrong doesn't mean the whole country is at fault🤷.
Thats surprising, you must live in States, the Haitians on the island dont miss a chance to Slander us while at the same time eating out of our national budget and making us spend hundreds of millions on them every year.
Tone whiplash. "There's overt racism that is ruining peoples lives" to "Hey, buy some luluemon pants!"
Lol
Yep
Not too far off from their brand, the CEO of Lululemon admitted he came up with that name because it's funny to watch Japanese people not being able to pronounce L
@@Exult 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Always seems like Haiti can never catch a break. Truly sad.
The placement LuLu lemon ad at the end of the video is hilarious.
Let's sell people 128$ pants 😂
What humans can do to each other, that is one thing. But it is crazy how much difference some nature makes and this is a clear case when we look at these two countries. We don't notice trees until we have none left and then it becomes a problem...
Too bad they cut their trees down.
It is also amazing how injustices go on and on and on..Years..
+Eric Hartman I went to Haiti this summer and had a blast ..
Sincerely Nel..Cool! We almost bought into a development in the DR but it fell apart. We've been to the DR several times and enjoyed it. I've wanted to see Haiti too but don't know when it will be possible. I had a stopover in Port au Prince almost 20 years ago and was shocked at the poverty just looking out the window of the plane. The people that got on were impeccably dressed and nice though. I would imagine they were of the few upper class..
+Eric Hartman that’s the problem most people are port au prince and thinks that’s Haiti , and it’s not . Every where has it poverty areas it just so happens the capital is the poorest area, of course what’s televise it would be the poorest area. What’s actually crazy about all of this is that most of capitals are poor even in America and we seem to never advertise that
Did I miss something or was the word “Hispaniola” NEVER SAID in this video..?
It's not relevant to the point though
@brbnews bro, a massacre in 1804 was definetly not like one in 2020
Kousvet Kousvet what do you mean by that?
Sir, You did not mention the massacre by the Haitian Blacks massacred all the whites in 1804. This removed the educated folk who could have developed the country. This is an extract from Wikipedia which I think explains a lot. "Girard writes in his book Paradise Lost: "Despite all of Dessalines' efforts at rationalization, the massacres were as inexcusable as they were foolish."[33] Trinidadian historian C. L. R. James concurred with this view in his breakthrough work The Black Jacobins, writing that "the unfortunate country... was ruined economically, its population lacking in social culture, [and] had its difficulties doubled by this massacre". James wrote that the massacre was "not policy but revenge, and revenge has no place in politics"
If this video was an essay trying to answer how Haiti and DR became 2 worlds, the grade would be: F, question not answered, and most of essay didn't try to.
. . . Yes, we hear some history but with GIANT gaps in between steps. And how DR treats its former citizens (racist indeed) has nothing to do with answering the question.
. . . The author could have asked why the 2 markets on the coast are on DR side and not on Haiti's side where DR cops wouldn't have power to discriminate or take bribes. I don't know the answer, but I suspect it has to do with lawlessness and more corruption on Haiti's side. THAT would be a possible answer. And it can't be solved by mantra "Racist Racist Racist..." but would need serious policy changes.
You forgot to mention that Haiti invaded the Dominican Republic, which explains some of the hostility towards the Haitians
They always omit that part, is better just to talk nonsenses about the DR.
Its omitted because many dont see it as an invasion. The Haitians simply didnt want the colonizers to come back but clearly the Dominicans loved master so much. You see how that turned out
no, it is just racism. stop being ignorant.
@@vantasnack7273 this is the main problem with every social progress today: everything is viewed as racism. You need to cover and LISTEN to both sides
They never mention that, they just Justify everything saying that we dominicans are raicist, however we have to live with Haitians provided jobs free medical services but wow we are racist, but nobody else but dominicans accept haitians in their contries.
can you guys do a video on *Estonian - Russian* border?
It's just interesting how the border it's still not officially agreed on by either governments and ethnic Russians in the borders towns seem to have mixed feelings about history and their identity.
That border is nothing like this one. Estonia border town Narva is mostly populated by russians. There are some problems with crossing the border with a car, but as most people hold Russian passport, they can cross the border quite easily on foot.
Thanks only interesting part of the border is when you have to go through Russia to get from one town to another- you cannot stop on this road
Tom Scott done a pretty good video on it if you haven't checked it out already
コイノ/ Koino There's literally nothing on that border lmao
Estonian - Latvian border would be more interesting. You could see a bunch of thirsty Eestis coming in to buy some booze which in Latvia is way cheaper than in Estonia. Latvians opened bunch on new alco shops for that reason near the border with Estonia. And as far as i know it happens in Latvian - Lithuanian border as well.
Didn't mention the Haitian occupation for 22years and all the massacres including Moca which is even written into Haitian history by Haitian historians. This massacre is part of a series of Haitian invasions
to Santo Domingo and is part of Siege of Santo Domingo (1805). Haitian historian Jean Price-Mars wrote that the troops killed white, black and mixed inhabitants of Santo Domingo. This event has been presented in Haiti as a fight against slavery.
Also as part of Haiti's debt repayment tot France.
Haitians and Dominicans have a very difficult relationship. Haitians have a way of living that doesn't contrast with Dominicans. Haitians don't think about tomorrow and deforestation on their side of the Island is incredible.
Now, go ask how much money does the Dominican government puts down for Haitians giving birth right on the Dominican side
that last smile was heart touching made me cry.hope someday they will get justice and fair treament.
Justice from who?
Siddharth Diwedi exactly!
Some people are evil out there.
Not me
I don’t understand how The French and The Spain’s fought over a land that neither country owned. And then what blows me even more, the original people of the continent adopt the thoughts and lifestyles of the two oppressors and continue to be divided instead of coming together. Smh makes no sense. And the French have some nerve putting Hati in debt. They should have been the ones owing debt !
Who owns land? People or countries who have the military power over it. Its very simple. Why does China control Tibet? Military Power. Why does Russia control Crimea? Military Power. Why does the USA control over big parts of North America? Military Power.
Yeah Dude, this happened in every country south the hemisphere where Europeans set their foot
Tell me about it. Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore used to be one, then a bunch of white people drew lines in the sea and we ardently believe in them.
Honestly, without them some countries wouldn't be developed as they are now.
Of course none of them owned the land bruh
Sick and tired of everyone making reports to blame the Dominican Republic for Haiti problems. I’m Dominican and I’m not going to apologize to anyone for having a better economy and better organize country than Haiti, I’m very proud of how my country the DR have developed the last 30 years. I’m sorry for the people of Haiti but they are not our responsibility. Viva La República Dominicana 🇩🇴 26
Haitians do not blame the DR for Haiti’s problems. Only this poor reporting from Vox made it seem so. I’ve never heard Haitians speak of Dominicans as obstacles to Haiti’s progress.
Then vote for a government that doesn’t treat Haitians like dogs
Long live the Dominican Republic! If Haitians try again to invade us will kick them out again just like on our Independence Day!
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The report didn’t seem very complete.
This video is mostly about Haiti and don’t like how they don’t tell the whole story. Makes DR look bad and Haiti the victims.
That's the point of this video to create hate
Well go on then, what's the whole story?
@@henryhill92So he probably was going to mention haiti invasion or occupation depending how you see it of Spanish Haiti at the time which lasted 1822-1844. During this time many laws that haitian government pass made discriminated against and made life harder for many white spanish elite. The life of most of the peasant no matter their background did not change. Boyer the hatain leader at time had a corrupt an ineffective government. After 22 years the spainard fought and gain independence from Haiti. Once Dominican Republic gain idependence they culuturally wanted to seperate from Haitian who kept many of the african tradition that they saw as backwards and primitive. I more of an appeal to their former white spainards.
You had 2 years. 2 years to make a comment that explained what you felt they left out. Yet you chickened out when asked, using your comment as a way to attract professional victims like @Noyojo001.
I enjoyed the video and love that it pointed out all of the flaws with society in a country that is rarely talked about or mentioned. However, I do not believe that the video touched on all of the reasons for the continued animosity between the Dominicans and Haitians, it does not only boil down to racial conflicts. One country cannot be blamed for the tensions that lie between them. The video did not mention how Haiti had control of the entire island between 1822-1844, and that during this time they oppressed the Dominican population with raised taxes to pay off the debt that Haiti had with France, making it illegal for white or light skinned people to own land or businesses. It also missed the fact that the Dominican population was fed up and declared its independence in 1844 and had to fight continuous attacks from the Haitians until the 1860’s. These historic events tainted the relationship between the two countries. I am not saying this to excuse the horrible ways the Dominicans are treating the Haitians, however there are two sides to every story and I just think that the video did not present all of the facts.
+Charlene Gonzalez A thoughtful, well educated and unbiased comment. It's refreshing to see on a page like this. One thing however that I almost never see Dominicans mention in reference to the Haitian invasion in the 1800's is some of the reasons why that happened.
One reason for example was that the DR was still a slaveowning territory , and it is not often mentioned that it was, in fact, Haiti who fully abolished slavery in the DR in 1822, and because it was white and/or light skinned people who benefited from enslaving people on the island, the Haitians practiced reverse racism and oppression against white and light skinned Dominicans as a form of revenge and personal justice.
While understandable, there was no moral justification for that, because two wrongs don't make a right. It just shows how this whole cycle began with Spanish and French enslavement of darker skinned people on that island, and the cycle of colorism and resentment it inspired in two neighboring cultures, and how that destructive cycle still manifests itself centuries later in many parts of those populations.
En 1821 José Núñez de Cáceres que pidió a Jean Pierre Boyer ayuda en contra del abuso de la colonización española y terminaron con la esclavitud y los incautaron todos las propiedades a los españoles y los regalaron esas tierras a todo los nativo Dominicanos mulatos y morenos?
En 1844 Los hijos de los Colonizador blancos y madres negras, tomaron control de paid para recuperar sus bienes y independizar el pais.
En 1861, el general Pedro Santana pidió a la reina Isabel II de España que volviera a tomar el control de la República Dominicana, después de un período de solo 17 años de independencia. España, que no había aceptado la pérdida de sus colonias americanas 40 años antes, aceptó su propuesta e hizo del país una colonia nuevamente.
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The youtuber "On The Offensive" made a great response to this video that highlights a lot of the flaws and omissions in it.
You are correct, and of course, some of that resentment was remembered and passed down to their children and onward. I have a feeling they left it out for a reason, though. Some think they are discriminated against just because of their color. There's a lot more to what happened.. **shrug**
@@jenniferlawrence2701 That's awesome. I will have to watch it.
Nothing was said about the 20 year
takeover of the DR by the Hatians
following their revolution from the
French. No doubt the Dominicans
remember that.
Their future is their own. I hope them the best and working together for a greater good will be the key to a brighter future.