I just could not see the problems in the show, I could not unsee the agenda seeping like moss in every dialogue and the themes (that were BARELY there), the horrible acting (Amandla has ONLY one damn face, even when KILLING HER MASTER! That was painful, seeing this level of incompetence in the acting and the script). I've just decided to give up on SW. A few lightsaber fights aren't enough to keep me watching, when the soul is not there. And the cameos at the end were disgusting. I'm out. But I'm glad you can enjoy it, I don't have a problem with anyone that does. I'm just personally done to the bone with Disney's Star Wars.
I couldn’t agree more. The agenda is so evident and anyone who seems to not see it is completely blinded (ehrm, lukeflyswatter). It’s just weird that the only people that “like” it are those who have a lot to gain from voicing that opinion also.
@@mesafamily5830 The agenda is not in every piece of dialogue. Lol. I will agree there is an agenda but what film doesn't have an agenda? You're just biased to think that newer Star Wars stuff from Disney has an agenda _you_don't_agree_with_.
@@lukeflyswatter3203 I agree, it's not in every line. Though, the "agenda" does permeate the entire show. It creates a moral ambiguity, that causes too much teetertottering in the characters, and often fights against the story itself; forcing "lessons" that don't match the teaching.
theres so many plot holes, so so so many plot holes Ki-adi-mundi wasnt even born in the timeline of The Acolyte but lets say he was why does he say later on in the movie that there hasnt been Siths around for millennia? , Yoda cant sense a bunch on jedi dying? theres no possible way you can cover that up from Yoda. theres more so many more plot holes that you just cant get away with with a fandom like Star Wars
I don't think it's really a plot hole that Ki-Adi-Mundi is alive during The Acolyte. His birthdate has just simply been changed from what it was in Legends continuity. It definitely wasn't necessary for him to be there, but I get why he is as a little easter egg. It's shown that the Jedi are ignorant to the fact that Sith have been around the whole time with Plagueis hiding the shadows, and Palpatine hiding in plain sight. I'm sure Yoda can sense all the deaths; it seems like Vernestra is going to tell him that Sol had something to do with it like she told The Senate.
@@troysolo1Let's be honest, the director Leslie headland paid little attention to the star wars lore. There is no place for Ki-adi Mundi, or even Plagues the plagiarised (joke...don't @ me) in this story other showboating from Leslie. Borrowing from Legends works well like bringing in Thrawn for example in Ahsoka. Lastly its not a question of Yoda not sensing the death of so many Jedi, the problem is it cannot be justified in any way without breaking the canon. Sure the show is watchable if you chose to ignore the rich star wars canon but for us geeks the show cannot justify its existence . It surprising is why Dave Filoni green lit such a project when star wars is actually trying to make a come back and the future is bleak if he was forced by disney to push their woke agenda.
In all honesty, I don't mind "lore" breaking if the writing is good enough. Had the writing been good, the audience could have been convinced that Ki-adi-mundi had been mistaken; so not lore breaking really, just adding lore. If good writing can make you root for a bad guy, undermine all expectations, or flip a world on its head, then it could also undermine the "lore" without really undermining it.
I agree but ki-adimundi is just there I guess just because they wanted a distinct figure from the prequel series as an easter egg. Issue with Plagus is that it appears that he just copied the witch's technique in his attempt to create Anakin, unless somehow he manipulated the witch into thinking that she created the twins while it was he who did that. However I don't know if Leslie had such forethought before adding Plagus.
The Acolyte fans deserve more seasons and movies with this type of quality. They clearly enjoy shitty writing and half assed ideas in their entertainment. It's time to accept that fact and let them be happy.
@@rorrschach8339 the only way you can enjoy this show is if you lobotomize the section of your brain🧠 that knows for a fact that 1.Disney star wars didnt have a plan during the sequel trilogy. (Did Luke, han, and, Leia dirty) 2. Disney Plus didn't have a plan for the mandalorian, boba Fett, or ahsoka. 3. The acolyte is no different. if there is a season 2 I'm not even curious. I have 0 questions and am completely numb. that's exactly the kind of consumer Disney wants. Don't ask questions just consume product.😅
@@JusDion Criticizing a show based on what came before it is called prejudice, and if you don't have questions and feel numb, that would be a sign you've had a lobotomy.
The show is a mystery show and the genre holds the audience's attention by withholding information to make the audience think "hmm what's going on here I want to figure it out". The show is giving you the mental space to actually engage and think about what's going on instead of just explaining everything to you upfront and moving straight on to the next episode, like a good mystery show is supposed to do. Apparently that was too much to expect from the fanbase. The show relies on sub-text to tell its story opposed to direct dialogue, and it does a good job of it. The themes of family and culture (especially culture) are established firmly with the witch coven, while the themes of unchecked power and authoritarianism are clearly represented in the Jedi, which is especially apparent when you consider the fan backlash over questioning that authority. Mae and Osha are incredibly likeable and sympathetic characters and encompass the theme of balance. The dynamic between them kept me engaged through the whole series. The show throws clues at you to suggest the true nature of their relationship and just bashes you over the head about it in Ep.4, and once you learn their true nature it puts their shifting motivations through the series in their proper context. Qimir is the most interesting character in the show and his view on Jedi philosophy is the breath of fresh air the franchise needed. Jacinto really sells the character with his style of ironic cynicism, jaded by his mistreatment of people with power of him. Although I am still convinced he was never supposed to be the "Sith" according to Headland's original intention and the focus on his character starting from Ep.5 is a different version of the show shot in case Headland's version failed, which it did after the Ep.3 backlash. Sol is a flawed character, misguided with good intentions. Through him the show doesn't so much ask the question "What happens when a person with power goes bad?" but rather asks the question "What happens when a person with power loses his way?". Sol allows his emotions to guide his actions throughout the series, which in the fandom would be a bad thing, but the show reminds you that emotions are still important to the human experience (insofar in the case of human Jedi), and the implications of suppressed emotions inform much of Osha's character arc. The ending of the series (and the Plagueis cameo) was clearly a disjointed, tacked-on rush-job reshoot to close the series out without a second season expected. Nothing mush else to say there.
I think the show did have an interesting premise but was terribly executed. For a very unbiased take, check out Filmento's anatomy of a failure on The Acolyte. No politicized views there, simply explaining why the story and characters were lackluster. I agree there is a lot of unnecessary quibbling about agendas, but I do think mainstream media in general has stopped even trying to develop anything new and interesting, instead taking the lazy method of replacing male characters in existing properties with a one-dimensional "strong female character."
I loved it! I thought I was the only one! well filmed, great action. Like, insanely good action at times, decently well acted. Classic Star Wars good vs evil, but still being subverted a little for more modern audiences. I haven't been able to fully figure out why so many people dont like it except.. canon.. woke.. something something.. so this is a breath of fresh air.
I have seen some fair and constructive criticism, but yeah the majority of it seems to be toxic. Yeah the action was dope. Episode 5's fight scenes were awesome.
There thousands of problems with Acolyte, script, characters, director, writer's ego, inconsistency, copy cat, dialogs so on. Do you really think that a magic will solve those problems In second season? It won't so why do we need a second season?
Finally a Star Wars fan who doesn't hate Star Wars 🙏 The prophecy has been fulfilled! The insane controversies behind this show is clouding people's enjoyment of it and we need more vouches for this amazing piece of the Star Wars universe. Really liked the rundown and points man :) Keep em coming
I love Star Wars like I love breathing lol. There's definitely a couple of the shows that left me disappointed, but overall the Star Wars universe is near and dear to me.
Love that the algorithm is pushing tiny channels like this. Do not love that it was a video pushing such a bad take. Your points are not going to get any traction because they're braindead. Forcing in modern issues is just tired, but no one really cares. The real issue is the story is indefensible, and the universe and lore expansion makes no sense. It reads like bad fanfiction
The original Star Wars was an allegory for state corruption especially regarding Nixon and the Vietnam War which was at the time a modern issue. I guess you just hate Star Wars.
@@zephyr8072 there's a difference between using influences to inspire a compelling, timeless narrative and shoehorning in absolute cringe. We'll still be talking about the original trilogy in 50 years. No one will ever even reference this show in 6 months. It's just that bad.
@@RexualChoc-qg1nz If you want to talk about the quality then talk about the quality. My point is that "forcing in modern issues" is a bad take and that Star Wars has always done that. Yes, George Lucas did that well and in my view Disney's first mistake was not following his advice and keeping him as a consultant.
@@zephyr8072 I agree there, but will point Lucas himself is not perfect either. he kind of went off the deep end and needed to be controlled - see Episode 1: The Phantom Menace when he had full control. No one is perfect. Incorporating modern themes is fine. In-elegantly shoehorning in this stuff on top of a bad story, and really, at EXPENSE of the story, is what everyone is complaining about.
I just could not see the problems in the show, I could not unsee the agenda seeping like moss in every dialogue and the themes (that were BARELY there), the horrible acting (Amandla has ONLY one damn face, even when KILLING HER MASTER! That was painful, seeing this level of incompetence in the acting and the script). I've just decided to give up on SW. A few lightsaber fights aren't enough to keep me watching, when the soul is not there. And the cameos at the end were disgusting. I'm out. But I'm glad you can enjoy it, I don't have a problem with anyone that does. I'm just personally done to the bone with Disney's Star Wars.
I hardly think "the agenda" could be seeping in every dialogue. You're seeing things.
I couldn’t agree more. The agenda is so evident and anyone who seems to not see it is completely blinded (ehrm, lukeflyswatter). It’s just weird that the only people that “like” it are those who have a lot to gain from voicing that opinion also.
@@mesafamily5830 The agenda is not in every piece of dialogue. Lol. I will agree there is an agenda but what film doesn't have an agenda? You're just biased to think that newer Star Wars stuff from Disney has an agenda _you_don't_agree_with_.
@@lukeflyswatter3203 I agree, it's not in every line. Though, the "agenda" does permeate the entire show.
It creates a moral ambiguity, that causes too much teetertottering in the characters, and often fights against the story itself; forcing "lessons" that don't match the teaching.
Also people criticizing the "agenda" should be more explicit about what they are objecting to.
theres so many plot holes, so so so many plot holes Ki-adi-mundi wasnt even born in the timeline of The Acolyte but lets say he was why does he say later on in the movie that there hasnt been Siths around for millennia? , Yoda cant sense a bunch on jedi dying? theres no possible way you can cover that up from Yoda. theres more so many more plot holes that you just cant get away with with a fandom like Star Wars
I don't think it's really a plot hole that Ki-Adi-Mundi is alive during The Acolyte. His birthdate has just simply been changed from what it was in Legends continuity. It definitely wasn't necessary for him to be there, but I get why he is as a little easter egg.
It's shown that the Jedi are ignorant to the fact that Sith have been around the whole time with Plagueis hiding the shadows, and Palpatine hiding in plain sight.
I'm sure Yoda can sense all the deaths; it seems like Vernestra is going to tell him that Sol had something to do with it like she told The Senate.
Ki-adi is in one scene and there is no mention of a Sith in that scene.
@@troysolo1Let's be honest, the director Leslie headland paid little attention to the star wars lore. There is no place for Ki-adi Mundi, or even Plagues the plagiarised (joke...don't @ me) in this story other showboating from Leslie.
Borrowing from Legends works well like bringing in Thrawn for example in Ahsoka.
Lastly its not a question of Yoda not sensing the death of so many Jedi, the problem is it cannot be justified in any way without breaking the canon.
Sure the show is watchable if you chose to ignore the rich star wars canon but for us geeks the show cannot justify its existence .
It surprising is why Dave Filoni green lit such a project when star wars is actually trying to make a come back and the future is bleak if he was forced by disney to push their woke agenda.
In all honesty, I don't mind "lore" breaking if the writing is good enough. Had the writing been good, the audience could have been convinced that Ki-adi-mundi had been mistaken; so not lore breaking really, just adding lore.
If good writing can make you root for a bad guy, undermine all expectations, or flip a world on its head, then it could also undermine the "lore" without really undermining it.
I agree but ki-adimundi is just there I guess just because they wanted a distinct figure from the prequel series as an easter egg. Issue with Plagus is that it appears that he just copied the witch's technique in his attempt to create Anakin, unless somehow he manipulated the witch into thinking that she created the twins while it was he who did that. However I don't know if Leslie had such forethought before adding Plagus.
Star wars is dead to me.
I'm sorry to hear that.
I respectfully disagree with you.
Fair
Acolyte deserves a second season the same way Taco Bell deserves a 5 star dining experience rating.
The Acolyte fans deserve more seasons and movies with this type of quality. They clearly enjoy shitty writing and half assed ideas in their entertainment. It's time to accept that fact and let them be happy.
Is this video satire? Cause so many of these points sound like an underhanded criticism for what the show should have done.
This video is not satire.
@@troysolo1 To each their own.
@@rorrschach8339 the only way you can enjoy this show is if you lobotomize the section of your brain🧠 that knows for a fact that
1.Disney star wars didnt have a plan during the sequel trilogy. (Did Luke, han, and, Leia dirty)
2. Disney Plus didn't have a plan for the mandalorian, boba Fett, or ahsoka.
3. The acolyte is no different.
if there is a season 2 I'm not even curious. I have 0 questions and am completely numb.
that's exactly the kind of consumer Disney wants.
Don't ask questions just consume product.😅
@@JusDion Criticizing a show based on what came before it is called prejudice, and if you don't have questions and feel numb, that would be a sign you've had a lobotomy.
@@rorrschach8339 👀 criticizing a show BEFORE one has watched it would be prejudice fool.
More like Shilla T.
The show is a mystery show and the genre holds the audience's attention by withholding information to make the audience think "hmm what's going on here I want to figure it out". The show is giving you the mental space to actually engage and think about what's going on instead of just explaining everything to you upfront and moving straight on to the next episode, like a good mystery show is supposed to do. Apparently that was too much to expect from the fanbase.
The show relies on sub-text to tell its story opposed to direct dialogue, and it does a good job of it. The themes of family and culture (especially culture) are established firmly with the witch coven, while the themes of unchecked power and authoritarianism are clearly represented in the Jedi, which is especially apparent when you consider the fan backlash over questioning that authority.
Mae and Osha are incredibly likeable and sympathetic characters and encompass the theme of balance. The dynamic between them kept me engaged through the whole series. The show throws clues at you to suggest the true nature of their relationship and just bashes you over the head about it in Ep.4, and once you learn their true nature it puts their shifting motivations through the series in their proper context.
Qimir is the most interesting character in the show and his view on Jedi philosophy is the breath of fresh air the franchise needed. Jacinto really sells the character with his style of ironic cynicism, jaded by his mistreatment of people with power of him. Although I am still convinced he was never supposed to be the "Sith" according to Headland's original intention and the focus on his character starting from Ep.5 is a different version of the show shot in case Headland's version failed, which it did after the Ep.3 backlash.
Sol is a flawed character, misguided with good intentions. Through him the show doesn't so much ask the question "What happens when a person with power goes bad?" but rather asks the question "What happens when a person with power loses his way?". Sol allows his emotions to guide his actions throughout the series, which in the fandom would be a bad thing, but the show reminds you that emotions are still important to the human experience (insofar in the case of human Jedi), and the implications of suppressed emotions inform much of Osha's character arc.
The ending of the series (and the Plagueis cameo) was clearly a disjointed, tacked-on rush-job reshoot to close the series out without a second season expected. Nothing mush else to say there.
I think the show did have an interesting premise but was terribly executed. For a very unbiased take, check out Filmento's anatomy of a failure on The Acolyte. No politicized views there, simply explaining why the story and characters were lackluster.
I agree there is a lot of unnecessary quibbling about agendas, but I do think mainstream media in general has stopped even trying to develop anything new and interesting, instead taking the lazy method of replacing male characters in existing properties with a one-dimensional "strong female character."
I loved it! I thought I was the only one! well filmed, great action. Like, insanely good action at times, decently well acted. Classic Star Wars good vs evil, but still being subverted a little for more modern audiences. I haven't been able to fully figure out why so many people dont like it except.. canon.. woke.. something something.. so this is a breath of fresh air.
I have seen some fair and constructive criticism, but yeah the majority of it seems to be toxic.
Yeah the action was dope. Episode 5's fight scenes were awesome.
There thousands of problems with Acolyte, script, characters, director, writer's ego, inconsistency, copy cat, dialogs so on. Do you really think that a magic will solve those problems In second season? It won't so why do we need a second season?
Finally a Star Wars fan who doesn't hate Star Wars 🙏 The prophecy has been fulfilled!
The insane controversies behind this show is clouding people's enjoyment of it and we need more vouches for this amazing piece of the Star Wars universe.
Really liked the rundown and points man :) Keep em coming
I love Star Wars like I love breathing lol. There's definitely a couple of the shows that left me disappointed, but overall the Star Wars universe is near and dear to me.
The "controversy" of wanting a good story and reasonable pacing.
The power of ONE scene. Nuff said.
Disney Star wars never fails to cast the right talent. That's 1 positive I can admit.
Dude, this video was like I was talking. Thank you for that. It's a relief to not feel alone in THIS universe. Great video.
Thank you. It definitely seems that us folks who like The Acolyte are in the minority.
@@troysolo1 Or just avoiding all the hate
Love that the algorithm is pushing tiny channels like this.
Do not love that it was a video pushing such a bad take.
Your points are not going to get any traction because they're braindead. Forcing in modern issues is just tired, but no one really cares. The real issue is the story is indefensible, and the universe and lore expansion makes no sense. It reads like bad fanfiction
We will have to agree to disagree 🤷🏽♂️
The original Star Wars was an allegory for state corruption especially regarding Nixon and the Vietnam War which was at the time a modern issue.
I guess you just hate Star Wars.
@@zephyr8072 there's a difference between using influences to inspire a compelling, timeless narrative and shoehorning in absolute cringe.
We'll still be talking about the original trilogy in 50 years. No one will ever even reference this show in 6 months. It's just that bad.
@@RexualChoc-qg1nz If you want to talk about the quality then talk about the quality.
My point is that "forcing in modern issues" is a bad take and that Star Wars has always done that.
Yes, George Lucas did that well and in my view Disney's first mistake was not following his advice and keeping him as a consultant.
@@zephyr8072 I agree there, but will point Lucas himself is not perfect either. he kind of went off the deep end and needed to be controlled - see Episode 1: The Phantom Menace when he had full control. No one is perfect.
Incorporating modern themes is fine. In-elegantly shoehorning in this stuff on top of a bad story, and really, at EXPENSE of the story, is what everyone is complaining about.
yo, soyoboyz, wazap, you stil around?
LoL dude well happy u liked it, It will get a 2nd season, but show is straight ass. Im convinced shitty DEI shows get 2 seasons, IE Velma.
Terrible take after terrible take bro...
thanks bro i appreciate it!
Qimir isn't a Sith, he's a former Jedi. Sith is a faction, not a force alignment.
The Acolyte is the best Star Wars since the OT.