Love the cool Ojo/Philosopher interaction. The Philo can pick a powerful ability while knowing that the Ojo has to weigh killing good info early or risking that the Philo chose an Ojo-bait role.
What a fantastic game. It really did have everything, From a demon ping on the very first night, a drunk slayer shot hitting the demon, the stitch job on the steward, the brilliant decision to philo into the farmer and having it pay off, and the demon and poisoner playing an absolute blinder in terms of coordination at the end to help the demon bluff the new farmer. Top notch BOTC being played here for sure, despite the day 1 voting
Ojo as the only demon flips everyone's claims upside down. What was private is public, and vice versa. But, if Ojo is one of several possible demons, players have to get their info out by saying as little as possible. S-tier demon. Although, the minions can mitigate that, and keep players from outing as powerful roles. Maybe different, less threatening minions would be better (for good) - Boomdandy, Goblin, Marionette, Mezepheles, Widow, Organ Grinder, Scarlet Woman, Baron, Mastermind, D.A.
SPOILERS : Hot. Damn. So much skilled showcased here, there were great moments. The philo picking farmer, the drunk slayer shooting the demon early, the fake assassin to frame patters, and the S tier poisonning, especially of the farmer with then the demon picking this character, relying on trust alone and then pretty much BLINDLY claiming farmer... what a play !! One of my top 3 favorite games to watch !
I'm very happy for a new demon. Was waiting for a while hoping a new demon would show up but I can only imagine they're hard to commit to and make them feel different enough. Ojo is super interesting as they kind of do have to push hard for info/roles to know what they should be prioritising, such a new and interesting playstyle.
I love how the bluffs are also (from an Ojo's point of view) roles that they shouldn't choose... Like, "I learn ft, savant and fg... I know not to pick them now!"
HAHA, watched Patter's Ojo run right before this, the comment "ST wouldn't kill a Ravenkeeper if Ojo missed, right?"......weeeeellll, spoliers! Also, Ben...what about KENT?
@wongshinfu9540 basically part of Recluse's ability is that the words "demon" or "minion" can be replaced with Recluse in any other character's text. So.in this case "the marionette is next to the demon" becomes "the marionette is next to the recluse"
Love seeing the new demon tokens. I came up with an interesting demon I called the Salamander: Each night*, pick one or two players. If you pick one, they die. If you pick two, one dies and the other is poisoned (gives the story teller the choice of which).
@@aaronfidelis3188 Yes, and they either get the surety of a kill on a particular player, or have to leave it up to the storyteller to spread some misinformation.
two amne abilities: Each Night*, choose a player, you learn all the information they have tonight. You act last Once per game, all players act twice until next dusk. you act first at night
I think the first night was a dead give away. A demon that picks characters wouldn't aim for the grandmother. Given how you stacked this town with useful roles it wouldn't been harsh to kill one of them.
Honestly, I'm starting to come to this conclusion, too. It's just the right balance between simple and complicated, where the ability itself is quite simple, but the emergent gameplay that comes from it is just the right amount of complicated.
"If they are not in play, the Storyteller chooses who dies" is plural, meaning the ST can kill as many as they like. Obviously, you should use restraint when doing this, but it can be used to simulate other Demons/characters being in play. - Ben
Does the Storyteller's choice count as the Demon's choice? E.g. If the Ojo chooses a character not in play and the Storyteller chooses the Goon, does the Goon flip?
It does not! The Ojo chose [out-of-play character] so now deaths are arbitrary - the Goon simply dies, rather than be killed by the Ojo. I used this the other day to kill a Goon and sell it as a Mayor bounce from the Ojo's Mayor claim.
In the case of multiple characters of the same type with some dead (most likely Farmer), if the Ojo pichs that type can the ST decide to sink the kill into the already dead player?
wait, so what happend whas, the recluse registerd as demon at the setup phase? which ment the marionet could be next to them? that can happen? that is insane and very clever also: cant the ojo just figure out there is a farmer and just constantly kill the farmer?
1, yes the recluse can work that way. Everytime the game check for a minion or demon the recluse can trigger, like dying from a slayer shot for example. 2, they can, but it would be a very bad play. Farmers want to get targeted by the demon so they can start a chain of confirmation of good players.
The only problem I see with this new demon is that poppy growers would be getting a huge nerf if paired with an Ojo. No point in putting both roles in a game whatsoever. Need to think of some kind of jinx. Maybe one of your minions also die if you select PG (might be too harsh, but I’m struggling to think of another option here.)
Poppy Grower still provides that one day confusion for the evil team, means that minions don't get proper bluffs, and then if they get killed night 2 they just come out and go "well that means the demon must be Ojo". It's also a day where they don't get a kill off on a target with a more powerful info role.
I think in Patters' Ojo video he said that PG and magician don't belong on an Ojo-only script, but can provide good information if on a multi-demon script by dying early, signifying Ojo.
Ryan is the Marionette, not the Oracle. That's what the little Marionette reminder token is there for. The Marionette's ability is "You think you are a good character, but you are not. The Demon knows who you are. [You neighbor the Demon]" You may have noticed that Ryan does not neighbor the Demon, but he neighbours the Recluse, who can register as a Demon. - Ben
@BloodontheClocktower ah, thanks. Just like the drunk, they aren't the real thing, so they don't get the real info. Apologies for asking something so silly, but it was confusing the heck out of me! Thank you for the explanation!
Im kind of confused about why the marionet sometimes is not right next to the demon and instead is 2-3 seats away. I might have missed something during the video, but isnt being close to the demon is the whole point of the marionet?
The Marionette must neighbour a Demon. The Recluse can register as a Demon. Therefore if the Storyteller wants to, they can have the Marionette neighbour the Recluse. - Ben
I haven't totally thought through the technicalities, but I would assume no. Being droisoned or The Drunk only affects your own ability, it has zero impact on other characters' abilities.
@@tehesprite502 has my question correct. If, say, the Poisoner is bluffing as the Farmer, and he dies in a way that _would trigger_ the Farmer were the real Farmer to die that way, can a Drunk be told by the Storyteller that he is now the Farmer? He would still be the Drunk, but instead of thinking he was (say) the Alchemist, he now thinks he's the Farmer.
The Drunk thinks they are a townsfolk. Farmer is a townsfolk role. So yes, at any time you can tell the Drunk they are a Farmer, irregardless of what happens elsewhere.
If you're looking for silly town names, look at Pennsylvania. Intercourse, Mars, Shickshinny, Bird-in-hand, Pillow, Climax, Rough-And-Ready, Blue ball, and Big Beaver. Do it. Use it for an Amne ability or something.
Great game, but can't help but feel like the good players kind of blew it for themselves. They had day 1 demon ping and let 1 of the 2 players live until the very end of the game - huge mistake. There's no reason they don't eliminate those 2 players first. There's almost no chance you want both of those players in final 3 no matter what, and early on (like days 2 and 3) you're already shooting in the dark. At least shoot where the flash light is pointing since you know you'll hit *something*. Good play to the evil team, but I think ignoring that day 1 info was the deciding factor in this game.
A fortune teller yes isn't as ironclad as you're making it out to be. Emma was Slayer shot and then later allegedly became the farmer. There were good reasons to believe that Reznora either hit her Red Herring or was the drunk
@@acenomadic I'm not saying that Rez's information was ironclad. But for all the same reasons you're doubting Rez, we can doubt the slayer shot on Emma. Mal could have been lying and was a minion. Mal could have been drunk or poisoned (it turned out, they were drunk). There's no reason that Mal's slayer shot clears Emma and Rez's information doesn't condemn Emma. The point I was trying to make wasn't "it was obvious and they should have known" - I completely agree there were reasons to doubt the information. But the benefit of ignoring the information was minimal, and they wasted day 3 with a bunch of "maybe's" in the dark rather than executing a person that had at least a tiny bit of information suggesting they were the demon. Not only did they ignore it on day 3, they then proceeded to ignore it for the entire rest of the game - seemingly clinging to "Emma was the red herring" with no evidence, and subsequently lost the game. At some point, even if you did think Emma was the red herring, it was worth eliminating her to make sure. Day 3 was the best time to do that since there was nothing better to do. Ultimately, not questioning that assumption cost them the game.
Amne ability: Each night, choose two players. Tonight and tomorrow, one chosen player's ability "sees" the other one in addition to its usual targets. (For example, the Chambermaid might learn a 3, the Oracle might learn a living evil, or the Psychopath could kill two players.)
@@BloodontheClocktower cause the interaction is, if you call the character what the drunk is told he is, the drunk doesn’t die? But if you call drunk the drunk dies?
It sounds like you're thinking of 'The Drunk' as some sort of status that is effecting a player. This is not the case. While players can be become 'drunk', 'The Drunk is not drunk, they're literally a whole other character. In Trouble Brewing, if I choose to make The Soldier into 'The Drunk', they are not a drunk Soldier, they are 'The Drunk'. The Ojo chooses characters, so if a player is 'The Drunk' and the Ojo wants to kill them, they need to select their character, not the character they think they are. - Ben
@@BloodontheClocktower uh my english isnt the greatest unfortunately what i meant to ask, if someone calls drunk and someone BELIEVES they are the drunk, you call their perceived role, they do not die. but if you call drunk they do|?
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Love the cool Ojo/Philosopher interaction. The Philo can pick a powerful ability while knowing that the Ojo has to weigh killing good info early or risking that the Philo chose an Ojo-bait role.
I was actually really excited to see Samantha's trap work out. That was a clever move. Didn't solve the game, but the idea was still really cool.
@@L2Sentinel I also love that Emma and George managed to use that weapon for their own benetif, that was great!
Sometimes you wake up in the night and just have a hankering for killing a person with a specific job.
What a fantastic game. It really did have everything, From a demon ping on the very first night, a drunk slayer shot hitting the demon, the stitch job on the steward, the brilliant decision to philo into the farmer and having it pay off, and the demon and poisoner playing an absolute blinder in terms of coordination at the end to help the demon bluff the new farmer. Top notch BOTC being played here for sure, despite the day 1 voting
Me reading these comments before watching, every single time, and not stopping halfway through the comment either lol
Patters seems to be his own worst enemy.
Enjoyable game all around.
Ojo as the only demon flips everyone's claims upside down. What was private is public, and vice versa. But, if Ojo is one of several possible demons, players have to get their info out by saying as little as possible. S-tier demon.
Although, the minions can mitigate that, and keep players from outing as powerful roles. Maybe different, less threatening minions would be better (for good) - Boomdandy, Goblin, Marionette, Mezepheles, Widow, Organ Grinder, Scarlet Woman, Baron, Mastermind, D.A.
SPOILERS :
Hot. Damn. So much skilled showcased here, there were great moments.
The philo picking farmer, the drunk slayer shooting the demon early, the fake assassin to frame patters, and the S tier poisonning, especially of the farmer with then the demon picking this character, relying on trust alone and then pretty much BLINDLY claiming farmer... what a play !!
One of my top 3 favorite games to watch !
I'm very happy for a new demon. Was waiting for a while hoping a new demon would show up but I can only imagine they're hard to commit to and make them feel different enough. Ojo is super interesting as they kind of do have to push hard for info/roles to know what they should be prioritising, such a new and interesting playstyle.
I looked up Keith Arizona, doesn't seem to be a place but does seem to be a man. On a side note, I fucking love patters.
I love how the bluffs are also (from an Ojo's point of view) roles that they shouldn't choose... Like, "I learn ft, savant and fg... I know not to pick them now!"
Exciting!! I just came from Patters's channel to see him run an Ojo script too
Incredible play from Emma. The way she truly had everyone being certain she was good and just the red herring. That was really good.
Wow what a good game! Loved Samantha’s choice to go farmer night one!
Very fun, superb storytelling, and showcasing players' personality as much as you did the experimental character.
HAHA, watched Patter's Ojo run right before this, the comment "ST wouldn't kill a Ravenkeeper if Ojo missed, right?"......weeeeellll, spoliers!
Also, Ben...what about KENT?
IT took me a while to realize that the marionette could be placed next to the recluse because the recluse registers as the demon.
i dont quite get why
@wongshinfu9540 basically part of Recluse's ability is that the words "demon" or "minion" can be replaced with Recluse in any other character's text.
So.in this case "the marionette is next to the demon" becomes "the marionette is next to the recluse"
Ohhhh finally get it
Love seeing the new demon tokens. I came up with an interesting demon I called the Salamander: Each night*, pick one or two players. If you pick one, they die. If you pick two, one dies and the other is poisoned (gives the story teller the choice of which).
I see... It gives you the mystery whether someone is poisoned or not
@@aaronfidelis3188 Yes, and they either get the surety of a kill on a particular player, or have to leave it up to the storyteller to spread some misinformation.
Very nice
two amne abilities:
Each Night*, choose a player, you learn all the information they have tonight. You act last
Once per game, all players act twice until next dusk. you act first at night
I can't help but feel that second one could seriously break a game, but I'd love to see it at least once~
Well... Gregory Alabama is now the name I'm using for every RPG character I play from now on.
I think the first night was a dead give away. A demon that picks characters wouldn't aim for the grandmother.
Given how you stacked this town with useful roles it wouldn't been harsh to kill one of them.
There is no Keith, Arizona. But there is a Keith Arizona in New York
Ojo seems like something good to stick on a script even if it never gets played, as it does mess things up quite a bit.
Ojo's bizarre adventure
Hahaha
No Keith in AZ, but there is one in Scotland.
An interesting character! For yet another possible pronunciation: 'Ollo, from Megamind's "Hello!"
I just drove through Gary last night, it was funny to hear Ben refer to it!
There is a town or place called Keith in Scotland I believe.
“I live in Philly”. That’s awesome, from this Philly resident!
The town of Keith is actually in Moray, Scotland.
yesssss been waiting for this one!!!!
This was just a really fun, well played game for everyone involved. GG!
The Ojo showcase that is also a Farmer showcase.
I can imagine a lunatic Ojo is very insane...
My new favorite demon
Honestly, I'm starting to come to this conclusion, too. It's just the right balance between simple and complicated, where the ability itself is quite simple, but the emergent gameplay that comes from it is just the right amount of complicated.
Side note: Keith IS a town in Scotland, which is part of the UK, the same country that Ben is from. Just sayin'.
Nevermind this cool new demon, we need more Keith Arizona and the Stately Chads lore.
I live in South Australia, where there is a town called Keith.
I don't live in Keith, AZ, but I know you can buy a *bucket* of spaghetti there.
poor patters LMAO
Ironically, the Grimoire IS in a museum.
Specifically, the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney has a copy, I believe.
There’s a place called “Keith” in North East Scotland
That surgical strike from George and Emma. Nice!
This stream and video must be so strange for Keith Arizona resident of Gary, Indiana
You can have multiple non demons with resurrected farmers.
Emma is a top three player on the pro scene.
“Pro scene” implies we get paid but sigh clocktower is not that popular but appreciate the kind words
Great game, great new character. Love it.
There is a town called Keith in Scotland.
I'm very confused why there were 2 deaths night 2 - i thought that the ojo "miss" ability means ST chooses 1 to die?
"If they are not in play, the Storyteller chooses who dies" is plural, meaning the ST can kill as many as they like. Obviously, you should use restraint when doing this, but it can be used to simulate other Demons/characters being in play. - Ben
There is a Keith in the US and Scotland and Australia!!
Most English speaking countries have someone named Keith in it
I love this demon type
Hold on why does Emma refuse to say saint??? XD
Highly educational content. Some of my students would be too advanced for it though..
Gary? Ahaha, Gary, Gary! Gaaaaaary!
Ben how do you know about Gary indiana 😂
Does the Storyteller's choice count as the Demon's choice? E.g. If the Ojo chooses a character not in play and the Storyteller chooses the Goon, does the Goon flip?
It does not! The Ojo chose [out-of-play character] so now deaths are arbitrary - the Goon simply dies, rather than be killed by the Ojo. I used this the other day to kill a Goon and sell it as a Mayor bounce from the Ojo's Mayor claim.
Yes
Can one explain why the marionette did not neighbor the demon??
It neighboured the Recluse, who registers as the Demon. - Ben
In the case of multiple characters of the same type with some dead (most likely Farmer), if the Ojo pichs that type can the ST decide to sink the kill into the already dead player?
wait, so what happend whas, the recluse registerd as demon at the setup phase? which ment the marionet could be next to them? that can happen? that is insane and very clever
also: cant the ojo just figure out there is a farmer and just constantly kill the farmer?
1, yes the recluse can work that way. Everytime the game check for a minion or demon the recluse can trigger, like dying from a slayer shot for example.
2, they can, but it would be a very bad play. Farmers want to get targeted by the demon so they can start a chain of confirmation of good players.
The only problem I see with this new demon is that poppy growers would be getting a huge nerf if paired with an Ojo.
No point in putting both roles in a game whatsoever. Need to think of some kind of jinx. Maybe one of your minions also die if you select PG (might be too harsh, but I’m struggling to think of another option here.)
Poppy Grower still provides that one day confusion for the evil team, means that minions don't get proper bluffs, and then if they get killed night 2 they just come out and go "well that means the demon must be Ojo". It's also a day where they don't get a kill off on a target with a more powerful info role.
I think in Patters' Ojo video he said that PG and magician don't belong on an Ojo-only script, but can provide good information if on a multi-demon script by dying early, signifying Ojo.
Wait what? Why did Ryan get lied to at 40:13?
Edit: that's confusing me so much.
Ryan is the Marionette, not the Oracle. That's what the little Marionette reminder token is there for. The Marionette's ability is "You think you are a good character, but you are not. The Demon knows who you are. [You neighbor the Demon]"
You may have noticed that Ryan does not neighbor the Demon, but he neighbours the Recluse, who can register as a Demon.
- Ben
@BloodontheClocktower ah, thanks. Just like the drunk, they aren't the real thing, so they don't get the real info. Apologies for asking something so silly, but it was confusing the heck out of me! Thank you for the explanation!
No problem! I probably should have highlighted the fact that they were evil a bit better to be fair. - Ben
The good team make it harder on themselves, Mal could had been marionette so more reason to act on a FT yes when you have like 5 kills anyway.
What is up with patters cam? Nrb here.......
Im kind of confused about why the marionet sometimes is not right next to the demon and instead is 2-3 seats away. I might have missed something during the video, but isnt being close to the demon is the whole point of the marionet?
The Marionette must neighbour a Demon. The Recluse can register as a Demon. Therefore if the Storyteller wants to, they can have the Marionette neighbour the Recluse. - Ben
@@BloodontheClocktower Aaaah, i see. Thank you Ben!
If a player bluffing as "Farmer" dies in the night, can a Drunk be told, "You are now the Farmer?"
I haven't totally thought through the technicalities, but I would assume no. Being droisoned or The Drunk only affects your own ability, it has zero impact on other characters' abilities.
The drunk is an outsider so they don’t get the farmer ping I believe as they aren’t actually townsfolk
@@annikatempleman-gear4082 Not the question. Segev's asking if the drunk can be lied to *as if* they got a farmer ping.
@@tehesprite502 has my question correct. If, say, the Poisoner is bluffing as the Farmer, and he dies in a way that _would trigger_ the Farmer were the real Farmer to die that way, can a Drunk be told by the Storyteller that he is now the Farmer? He would still be the Drunk, but instead of thinking he was (say) the Alchemist, he now thinks he's the Farmer.
The Drunk thinks they are a townsfolk. Farmer is a townsfolk role. So yes, at any time you can tell the Drunk they are a Farmer, irregardless of what happens elsewhere.
If you're looking for silly town names, look at Pennsylvania. Intercourse, Mars, Shickshinny, Bird-in-hand, Pillow, Climax, Rough-And-Ready, Blue ball, and Big Beaver. Do it. Use it for an Amne ability or something.
Great game, but can't help but feel like the good players kind of blew it for themselves. They had day 1 demon ping and let 1 of the 2 players live until the very end of the game - huge mistake.
There's no reason they don't eliminate those 2 players first. There's almost no chance you want both of those players in final 3 no matter what, and early on (like days 2 and 3) you're already shooting in the dark. At least shoot where the flash light is pointing since you know you'll hit *something*.
Good play to the evil team, but I think ignoring that day 1 info was the deciding factor in this game.
A fortune teller yes isn't as ironclad as you're making it out to be. Emma was Slayer shot and then later allegedly became the farmer. There were good reasons to believe that Reznora either hit her Red Herring or was the drunk
@@acenomadic I'm not saying that Rez's information was ironclad. But for all the same reasons you're doubting Rez, we can doubt the slayer shot on Emma. Mal could have been lying and was a minion. Mal could have been drunk or poisoned (it turned out, they were drunk). There's no reason that Mal's slayer shot clears Emma and Rez's information doesn't condemn Emma.
The point I was trying to make wasn't "it was obvious and they should have known" - I completely agree there were reasons to doubt the information. But the benefit of ignoring the information was minimal, and they wasted day 3 with a bunch of "maybe's" in the dark rather than executing a person that had at least a tiny bit of information suggesting they were the demon. Not only did they ignore it on day 3, they then proceeded to ignore it for the entire rest of the game - seemingly clinging to "Emma was the red herring" with no evidence, and subsequently lost the game.
At some point, even if you did think Emma was the red herring, it was worth eliminating her to make sure. Day 3 was the best time to do that since there was nothing better to do. Ultimately, not questioning that assumption cost them the game.
Amne ability:
Each night, choose two players. Tonight and tomorrow, one chosen player's ability "sees" the other one in addition to its usual targets.
(For example, the Chambermaid might learn a 3, the Oracle might learn a living evil, or the Psychopath could kill two players.)
Is it oho or ojo?
"O-ho", as in the Spanish pronunciation for ojo (eye).
can the ojo call drunk?
Yep, totally. It's a good play in the right circumstances as well, because it'll likely make the Drunk think they're legit. - Ben
@@BloodontheClocktower cause the interaction is, if you call the character what the drunk is told he is, the drunk doesn’t die? But if you call drunk the drunk dies?
It sounds like you're thinking of 'The Drunk' as some sort of status that is effecting a player. This is not the case. While players can be become 'drunk', 'The Drunk is not drunk, they're literally a whole other character. In Trouble Brewing, if I choose to make The Soldier into 'The Drunk', they are not a drunk Soldier, they are 'The Drunk'. The Ojo chooses characters, so if a player is 'The Drunk' and the Ojo wants to kill them, they need to select their character, not the character they think they are. - Ben
@@BloodontheClocktower uh my english isnt the greatest unfortunately what i meant to ask, if someone calls drunk and someone BELIEVES they are the drunk, you call their perceived role, they do not die. but if you call drunk they do|?
Yes, that's exactly how it works. Your English is great, by the way. Better than half of England at least! - Ben
Can a Recluse, registering as a Demon, keep a game going when the real Demon dies?
no they can only register that way to abilities, not to the win condition