Based on where things are now, I could most feasibly see Amy having a role comparable to some of the humans in previous movies. Still a key part of the story, but not a part of the main hero's "team." I think we'd see a much greater push before release if she was on the level of something like Tails' role in the second movie. That being said, I completely agree with your view of the optics of not including her at all. It just wouldn't make sense; the push for her as a quaternary character started nearly a full decade ago with Sonic Boom and it would honestly be disappointing if she wasn't included at all. What I'm really hoping for is, even if she isn't the most prominent new character, that she still provides enough meaningful contributions to the film to make it clear that she's going to be a mainstay in the future.
I saw a Co-worker carrying her kid's Sonic series plushie while she was going to her car to get something. What character was it? Vector the Crocodile of all characters. Yeah, Sonic & its characters are marketable as hell! 😆
Honestly I’ll be fine with whatever they get out for sonic 3, but they need Amy in it, she needs to be introduced, even with all the hate she gets, there’s infinite possibilities with what you could do if you introduced her. I’ll be sad if she’s not in the main movie, but if we get a post credit scene with her that’s perfectly fine, as long as she makes an appearance soon I’ll be okay, she is important to the franchise. Knowing Live & Learn is in the movie is enough for me to decide it will be great. Even if they didn’t take the perfect route for this movie or franchise, it allows for more room of improvement and keeping people in the future from saying “but sonic 3 was better, the new sonic movies suck”
Unless the writers got to introduce them without making the story feel overcrowded and confused i dont think this will happen (unless they use possible future movies and/or spin-offs to flesh them out) There's that whole storyboard leak story but im pretty sure is the same story of the whole Metal Sonic storyboard from Sonic 2
To be fair, Tails' introduction was showing up in a police car and saying "I've been stalking you, we're best friends now". Introducing Amy and Rouge would take twenty seconds of screen time if that's our benchmark.
They have been very secretive during the Sonic 3 movie's development. Even though I'm hoping Amy & Rogue might make an appearance, I'm still waiting for the teaser trailer.
I love Amy and Rouge and will still hold out hope that they will appear in Sonic movie 3, but I swear to God if it turns out they only appear in the mid and/or post credits scenes I will *%#^ing FLIP!!!
I keep rewatching that part where you talk about a potential reboot. I completely agree with you. As much as I like these movies, I believe that they don't really represent the source material. Sonic is supposed to be cool ,edgy and ambitious, but with a level of cheese and cuteness to make it more fun. These movies are mostly family movies, hesitant to take inspiration from the source material. Sonic 1 and 2 are way too much focused on comedy, making for many high scale and exciting moments feel underwhelming. Ik I'm going into spoiler rn for Sonic 2, but that scene when Sonic and Knuckles fight towards the end is awesome! But a third of it is just Jim Carrey reacting to it. Same when he goes Super Sonic. Basically, the reason why I like Sonic so much isn't really found in these movies. They are fun and well made, but it's like giving a high school student a B for following some basic tasks for their project. This is my personal opinion ofc, and I don't think Paramount should just throw this franchise in the trash and start again. There is an audience for these movies. But when are we gonna get a, you know, Sonic movie? Do we really have to keep a Super Mario Bros like movie, taking full advantage of the source material as a distant dream? Can't we have a cool animated film with Sonic and Shadow and Silver running around with rock or dance music in the background as they fight some huge dragon robot thing? I understand why these movies are live action, but like, why? Why aren't these just animated films? These are heavily cartoony, stylized characters! They look so uncanny with shading and mud in their quills and stuff. Also, again, just like you said, the Mario Movie was animated and had a huge audience. Mario is also much more popular but whatever. Basically, I always thought that they made these movie live action cgi hybrids to appeal to more general audiences, and also attract the old grumpy "cartoons are only for kids" and stuff. But like, yeah, these movies are childish, very childish. Animated or not, these are not the kind of movies that would appeal to dudes (or gurls) who think that feel the need to be edgy and mature, and movies like these are just not enough for them. I don't mind the idea of Live Action sonic movies. I think it kinda forces the writers to also include human characters, which have been pretty much forgotten by the games, despite they used to be a huge part of the adventure era. But these characters look so weird in photo realistic CGI. While watching Sonic 2, even if I liked it, I kept thinking: ehy are they real looking? It's kinda weird. They look outta place, you know? Also since they clash with the humans, it's much harder to take them seriously, cause I keep thinking that there are just cartoon characters in the real world, unlike the games where they a part of their world. And also the fact that original owl characters are hyper realistic, it just feels alienating. It's like the director inserted these sonic characters in some alternate dimension, where the characters amde special for these movies look completely different. Ok I should go to sleep it's midnight
Considering The Flames of Disaster in the Knuckles series, I do think I could see one last movie that is inspired by Sonic 2006. Not having a romance with a princess side plot or Eggman trying to do so, but focusing on Solaris (maybe connecting it to the Echidnas in place of the Soleanna government. The Knuckles series has already connected Knuckles to Iblis, so this could also draw from Sonic Adventure) and time travel with Silver. Building on 06's plot of good intentioned actions having disaterous consequences.
Honestly... they should've set up Metal Sonic in the last movie. They knew Jim Carrey wasn't going to be around forever, and there really isn't anyone else that could even remotely take his place (and even that's debatable) from the games, cus Gerald DEFINITELY isn't going to work, and as much as I love Agent Stone... I don't think they'll ever let him be the main villain. He's not as marketable as the Doctor. I mean, i guess there's Starline, but that's as likely as it raining liquid metal that spreads like a rash.
"You can't introduce so many new characters it detracts from Shadow's story! Amy and Rouge can wait!" The 50 new human characters: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
THANK YOU! I'm really tired of people saying Amy and Rouge shouldn't be in the movie for that reason while completely ignoring the new human characters who keep getting added. What do you think they're going to do? I remember wedding scene from movie 2 being pretty long.
If we're getting characters like Amy Rose and Rouge in this franchise, Should they be introduced the same way as Tails and Knuckles who came to earth each having different reasons for looking for Sonic? Are Natalie Portman and Cate Blanchett the best choices in playing them or should their voice actors from the TV Shows come back?
Honestly, even if Rouge and Amy aren't in the movie, (if they aren't, I would be sad) it wouldn't be too upsetting. They've already said that the movies won't follow the games in order, so Movie 3 won't be a copy & paste of Adventure 2. And they've said that the universe will expand beyond the movies and get spinoffs that will introduce characters that won't be in the movies. So just because Amy and Rouge aren't in the third film, that's not to say they'll never be in the movie universe. They will, just give them time.
Don't wanna jump to conclusions but after how the knuckles how turned out i don't exactly have the biggest faith in those spin offs. Who knows maybe they might listen to the criticism of knuckles show and surprise us but im not holding my breath.
@@owengooding61Could be an Easter egg I mean how and why would Amy Rose come to earth and how would she hide herself while knowing how to create a website
I think For maria’s death, all they gotta show is a G.U.N soldier with the 6 eyed visor helmet holding up an obscured pistol (bc it’ll probably be a flashback scene) It could flash to maria falling in slow motion with no blood, fading to either black or white with Shadow yelling Maria’s name, that way, it wouldnt surpass a pg13
I still have 20 bucks saying Maria isn't even dead and she's Donut Lords mom or something. This is live action Paramount we're talking about, not talented writers.
My thoughts on all this, keep the movie's universe the way it is, just transition them from live action to animated. And heres my reasoning for all of this, so the Sonic movie's producer said before that he wants to continue the existing universe we already have right, well unless you had the budget of movies like Avengers Endgame, there's only so much you can do in live action (the knuckles show for example) so what should they do? Transition the movies to be animated. Like maybe in Sonic 3 or a Sonic 4, in an ending scene of any of these movies there could be an event where Sonic after living on Earth for so long now feels he has to go back to his original home, wherever it is in the galaxy since there isn't any other potential problems that would put Earth in danger. (with Shadow possibly staying on Earth to keeping the place safe) and then there would be a whole goodbye scene that would then take Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles to travel from Earth to wherever in the Galaxy to continue their adventures. This is just a theory of mine about what could happen. Other stuff like who's going to be the main villain now will be something for the movie team to figure out.
I don’t know whether Amy and Rouge will be in this movie, but I feel like if they were, they would try to hide it as best as they can until the first online trailer drops. As far as we know, there’s a small chance that the trailer they’re showing to ppl at CinemaCon, etc. could be only part of what they part of what they plan to show when we get the grand trailer reveal online. After all, let’s be honest, they’re not stupid, they know it’s going to be leaked when it plays in front of private audiences, and they probably don’t want to get hype officially going until the trailer releases online, possibly showcasing Amy and Rouge. And same thing for toys, because Amy and Rouge may not be MAJOR major characters for the film like Shadow will be, and because, like what was mentioned in the video, there is a history of movies being leaked through toys, they could be trying to hide Amy and Rouge by not including them in the figure sets under the excuse of “they’re not important enough.”
As a non-Sonic fan who loves the movies, I would really like it if Amy and Rouge are in Sonic 3. If not both, at least one of them. Now, obviously, even if they aren't in the movie that doesn't rule out them appearing in the future. Sonic 3 is more than likely going to be a lose adaptation of SA2 so certain parts are probably going to be altered or omitted much like with Sonic 2 being a lose adaptation of the second Sonic game on the genesis, as well as Sonic 3 & Knuckles. As long as they do a good job adapting the story of SA2 and they get Shadow's characterization right, it should be amazing. I still have hope for this movie even though the Knuckles series was a letdown. Plus, the show had different writers than the movies.
Well you can have to hold that She will be there But we haven't even heard of her being confirmed yet so I don't know if she'll be in sonic movie 3 But you bear have your fingers Crossed🤞🤞🤞🤞
If there has to be a Sonic character to redeem Shadow in Sonic 3 movie, it has to be Amy. That's why she needs to be in Sonic 3 movie. It will be a very dumb decision not to include her in this movie. #JusticeforAmyRose #AmyinSonicMovie3
It's based in Sonic Adventure 2. It would be foolish not to include them. Also, when I saw Krysten Ritter on the cast list, my first thought was a perfect choice for Rouge, but according to IMDb, she's just playing a captain.
"Based on" in the sense of it having Shadow and his story arc but nothing else has been promised and it would be foolish to EXPECT Amy and Rouge honestly.
@@zaail3norsumidkbut it be abit foolish too replace there roles with other new characters that would have to be introduced anyway so what’s the difference???
If we're getting characters like Amy Rose and Rouge in this franchise, Should they be introduced the same way as Tails and Knuckles who came to earth each having different reasons for looking for Sonic? Are Natalie Portman and Cate Blanchett the best choices in playing them or should their voice actors from the TV Shows come back?
@@elliotsturtplus340 they can just use jojo, it would be another good use for a pre-existing character. amy isn't NEEDED for this role that's dumb to think.
I'd say the reason why we had to wait so long for the No Way Home villain merch is because they wanted to make absolutely sure that noone knew the villains were coming back, though leaks happened anyway. In fact, the original intention for the marketing was to focus on Spider-Man vs Doctor Strange, leaving the villains a surprise until opening day as well. But when they got leaked anyway, they changed their mind. Admittedly, I don't think Paramount is as secretive as Marvel. Plus, as much as I like Amy and Rouge, I don't think they would be the big surprise characters the movie needs. Shadow already is that. So, it's really hard to say.
Imagine this, Mariandoes get shot, and we have a scene with Shadow, gun in hand, chasing down Sonic and the Wachowski's on space colony ark while Shadoe is having flashbacks to Maria's death. Does he do something he regrets?
The thing is, we probably won’t know until the Trailer, as we didn’t even know Knuckles was going to be in the 2nd Movie until that trailer confirmed it, also with the Toy Leaks, if there were toys of the characters, Paramount would probably be keeping high watch of leaks of those characters, Shadow doesn’t really matter that much- considering he was confirmed either way and we already knew he would get toys
Here are some of my thoughts: -If the story includes GUN framing Sonic to cover up Shadow's existence, Tom and Maddie could be arrested for "harboring a dangerous alien" so that nothing can leak. (Kinda serves as a reason to not include them in the story) Therefore if they don't use Amy, Knuckles would be the best option to redeem(?) Shadow as you said. -While Rouge would be nice to see (I would prefer her to show up in the future), I think Agent Stone would fit better with Eggman's team given Rouge's role in SA2 was an ally of Eggman, and Agent Stone is already a strong ally of Eggman. - Overall, I would be kinda disappointed if at least Amy didn't make it into Sonic 3, but her and Rouge's absences allow for a better story, then I can live with that.
Speaking of Amy , someone on Twitter named Sydney made a poll about who should play Amy in Sonic Movie 3 if she’s gonna be in the movie at all and one of choices was Kristen Bell Once Sydney posted that poll, Kristen Bell found out about it and blocked her Do you think that is a bit suspicious? 🤨
@@nes96Sonic 3 will different We don’t see Ghosts,We Don’t See Space Rockets,We Don’t see Maria Get Schoot Because it’s PG and the characters that’s you want are not what you expect so Amy Will Maybe In The Third Movie!!!
I said it before and I'll say it again: If Amy is not in Sonic 3, I'm done. I'm not waiting 2 to 3 years again for the minuscule chance of having her and I'm sick and tired of people seeing this character as disposable. Will I want Sonic 3 to fail? No, I'm not petty. Will I watch it? Fuck no, a movie all about Shadow is the last thing I want, I do not like him enough to watch an entire movie revolving on him. Back to Amy however, I don't want a post credit scene or an incomplete CD adaptation, especially since I know the movies will jump to 06 after, I want her in the movie, straight up.
To people who are hoping that either of these characters will show up in the movie, it's not going to happen. Yes, they are adapting Sonic Adventure 2, one of the greatest storylines from Sonic ever, but just like how Sonic the Hedgehog 2 loosely adapts Sonic 3 and Knuckles, it will be the same, taking major inspiration and elements from Sonic Adventure 2, and probably Shadow 05. I mean, we do know that Shadow is getting his motorcycle, so who knows, they might add other elements. But my main point is expect this to be shadow's story, nothing more, nothing less. I don't care how many times I comment this on different videos, I'm still going to. Keep your expectations low. Do I want to be proven wrong by December? I do, but for now, this is how I see things going realistically. Again, keep expectations low.
I’m all for adding those two in the movie, but not if they’re just going to be shoe horned in. Though for Amy’s case, if they continue this series, then they can add her in some CD inspired game or whatever gets them back to Sonic’s home world. It can allow her to shine in something new.
Watch the Sonic 3 trailer carefully in 0.25 speed, some of the shots are off-centre and in others it looks like there is empty spot someone could fill in I.E Amy or Rouge, my bet is Rouge because she would accompany right next to Knuckles in one of those shots and her role as a spy thief would work into infiltrating GUN and getting files on Shadow. Also I heard they are saving Amy for a special project or smething
@@mr.knightthedetective7435 Okay, answer me this, in what world would it make sense to keep Amy and rouge hidden? In what world do they have such a important role that they aren’t in trailers or toys? In what world do they play a huge role in a movie we’re we know that the main villian and focus seems to be shadow and gerlad? Answer me that
You know what I absolutely hate with every fiber of my being... the fact that if Amy and Rouge aren't in this movie, Paramount literally faces negative backlash from the fans! Yeah, I'd like to see Amy, but I honestly don't see any feasible way of it working out. I don't even think they could add another character at all, human or Mobian, without it causing the whole thing to crumble into an unresolvable mess of numerous character arcs fighting for completion within the runtime! but that doesn't matter to these movies' target market. Nothing matters to them beyond their demands that Paramount meet IMPOSSIBLE expectations! And it fills me with overwhelming rage!
Until the very last minute I am not counting Rogue out of the Sonic 3 film yet. I still have hope that she has to make an appearance more than Amy Rose in the third Sonic film.
The obvious answer is that Kazuma Kiryu is going to board the Space Colony ARK at the end of his show and talk Shadow out of it. He's the only human I'd be happy with replacing Amy in the story.
Ok but why though you need to give that character a reason to be there also it’s not like Amy needs to have a huge story arc I mean plus I think there’s enough room for her since sonic arc feels complete after the 2nd movie Knuckles has his thing done in the spin off show kinda tails might need more development and shadow is probably gonna get some focus so yea I say there’s enough room for one more character plus who’s kid is gonna go see the movie too see a random character like captain Rockwell????
You're defo right that the movie franchise is kinda cooked past 3. They should defo Reboot and maybe use a new cast if needed (imo should be the Prime Cast best VA's we've had since 2009). That way they don't have to worry about their superstar Jim Carrey retiring and putting Eggman's future in jeopardy. The debate however begins with what artstyle they should go for. Should it be 3D CGI or a Sonic X styled anime with better animation? I'd personally like the latter more but one thing is clear. They need to reboot the franchise and start with a more faithful adaptation of a Sonic Game. I'd argue it should be Sonic Adventure 1 seeing as now that they're doing SA2 it'll be hard to go back and adapt it now.
That would be dumb man because even if she just eye candy that would bring in a lot of adults. Like rouge is more than just eye candy she has a complex personality and for them to dismiss her just because of that is insane she is shadow closest friend and is important to shadows story. But regard to both Amy and rouge. I don’t think either of them will be in the movie because you have to have time to show why this characters are important and to do that you need to have time and with for sonic characters in… it’s just going to be too crowded. A shadow series or movie is where they’ll most likely be
@@katk3452Exactly dawg every girl character is always reduced to just a joke or hyper sexualized especially rouge, i mean surely they can design her to be more kid friendly like they did in sonic prime? they don’t gotta make her have huge boobs or anything, that’s not all there is to her character. :/
This Sonic film universe is like what the MCU did with Spider-Man very restrictive on what famous characters they can use from the Spider-Man universe and famous Story's Spider-Man has been apart of not harry osborn no mary jane Watson etc hell no mention of uncle ben only difference is cause of the Sony deal but it's basically the same
I think I'm ready to say goodbye to these Paramount films and let Sonic move on to something better. Give us animated films with good writing and watch the franchise triple its value.
She’ll most likely appear at the end of the movie similar how Tails was teased in the first movie. Then she will be dumped on the Amy TV series similar to Knuckles tv series.
Plot Twist what if Maria survived and she’s that one who redeemed shadow??? Also has it occurred to anyone that perhaps movie three is a two parter perhaps we’re not gonna get the full depth of what SONIC ADVENTURE 2 is in one movie but perhaps two movies.
I was surprised I actually agreed with a most of what you said in the first half of this. But the second half I'm not so on board with. It's not that I think you're wrong. It's your opinion and I can see why you have those opinions even. It makes perfect sense. I just don't agree with it. I don't like the idea of Amy and Rouge being introduced AFTER Shadow because if that's the case they should have held off on Shadow or introduced them earlier with less focus til now. But there's the Jim Carrey thing. And while your point about worrying about the Robotnik actor retiring is a true issue, it's not one I think many people regret. They love Jim Carrey as Robotnik and knowing he might retire (and the fact he usually never does sequels let alone a trilogy) putting us on edge only for him to come back for a second AND THIRD movie just serves to excite people. It's crazy that Sonic is the franchise to make him do something he's never done before. I also don't like the lack of music representation in the movies, especially when a lot of the music was composed with the idea "what if this were a movie?". So there are plenty of moments where certain traits, re-recorded Sonic music in orchestral arrangement, would fit extremely well. BUT I don't think they should stop making the movies. I'd be satisfied with just 3, but if they are gonna make more, I'm all for it. And I hope it goes in the right direction. It's clear the writers and director wants to go in the direction at least somewhat parallel to what the fans would like, even if not exact. And I've been enjoying it. They can reboot or continue with movies that need no origin story that's animated eventually. But I don't think they should stop pleasing the majority because one or a few people think so, sorry. Also I'm not sure if Spider-Verse or Last Wish animation is my go-to for Sonic. I mean I wouldn't mind it, but it's starting to get tiresome seeing it trend just because it was popular for it's unique style that, to me, fit best in Spider-Verse BECAUSE it played on those comic-book aesthetics as well as changing style depending on the universe. TMNT didn't look bad, but it's starting to look like an AI art style with just a mess of stuff and being called "artistic". I still very much love the animation in How To Train Your Dragon 2 where it's cartoony designs but hyperrealistic lighting and texture. I also like Despicable Me that is just flat out cartoony which worked for Mario. On that note, I REALLY wish people would stop referring to the Mario movie when talking about Sonic. They're completely different stories and approaches to adaptation. There's no reason to compare them. I get the Sonic vs Mario thing comes to mind with the games, but this isn't SEGA and Nintendo anymore. Sonic has way more music than Mario, way more characters and way more plot. Mario plays more into the cartoony side than Sonic and more simple iconic set pieces. They both play into their strengths. (Except for Sonic's lack of game music. lol)
Personally when it comes to Sonic animation, I'd love a movie with the animation we see in the game cinematics like in Sonic Mania. I think that would look really nice for a Sonic film.
13:40 Disagree about the snowboarding down San Francisco, if the Sonic Symphony ending with City Escape and Live and Learn is anything to go by they know those are the two most iconic parts of SA2 so I'd expect them both to show up in some way shape or form, though I broadly agree it won't just be a live action SA2
I really want to see a sonic movie with dark gaia as the main villain. If we could see all the countries be broken up into pieces like sonic unleashed then that shi would be DOPE. maybe even include silver too or something lol
We haven't heard of amy being confirmed yet But i'm actually don't Think she ever will be rouge is also not Going to be in the movie because I heard this research a long time ago that She was confirmed not to be in the movie But at least hope Is metal sonic is gonna Be in the movie. I'll have my fingers crossed.And basically I hope the trailer is coming out Tomorrow If not we're gonna have to pray that it's gonna come out on july 27th But it won't then. I'm gonna cry. But don't worry, I'll have my fingers crossed I also wonder if robotnik' Death egg robot Will return for the third movie. I least hope we got another announcement about that. And if I see sonic and robotnik team up I'm gonna be surprised And Pissed at the same time. Because that will just ruin the movie for me. But i'm also excited to hear Keanu reeves Voice acting for. Shadow I bet it's can be pretty fire if you ask me😎😎😎😎😎🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
Correction, a six pack got leaked with sonic, shadow, knuckles, eggman and 2 “new characters” as it stated, meaning the leaked 5 pack with the badniks is something unrelated.
They did say that this movie is getting a lot of inspiration from Sonic Adventure 2, so that already makes it easy to believe that they won't be changing too much of what happened in that game for that movie. Amy and Rouge should be in it, maybe they will get revealed in the first trailer. Super Sonic and Super Shadow will very likely be in it because Paramount would be a studio of bumbling FOOLS to not have Live & learn be playing during a final battle scene that shows those characters in those forms, including the fact that according to the musician who wrote it, that iconic song has already been officially confirmed to be getting included into the Sonic 3 movie. Also an update reveals that they will be using the OG Crush 40 version of Live & learn in that movie, not a remix version with a different music style!
The problem is if they're going to reboot it after Sonic 3 it'd have to be for the same reasons that the Spider-Man movies kept getting rebooted and unfortunately Hollywood only listens to money and if Sonic Movie 3 makes a shit ton at the box office then yeah they're going to make Sonic 4 weather it makes sense or not I mean Shrek 5 has been confirmed for July 1st 2026 despite the fact that Shrek 4 was marketed as the final movie.
I think it's a good idea to just go fully animated for the Sonic films. No matter how the 3rd film turns out, live action Sonic is still super restrictive.
Who even cares about the sonic movie when Michael bay just got announced to be directing a skibidi toilet movie I want to pull a sir gawain from black knight and stab myself with a sword we are living in the bad future
Yeah, but remember, Movie 3 isn't going to be a One-on-one recreation of SA2, it's just taking some elements from that game, as well as the Shadow 2005 videogame. Not to mention story-wise, they can take story elements from the games, but they also have to keep it as original as possible.
@@boltthelunarian1405 Where on earth did you hear it will be taking anything from the Shadow The Hedgehog game? Never heard anyone anywhere say anything about the movie taking aspects from that game at all. And yeah it's obviously not going to be a one to one recreation of SA2, it's an adaptation, meaning it's not one to one... Regardless of the point you are trying to make, you can't fulfilling tell the story that this movie is setting out to adapt with these two key characters. They are 100% going to market this movie as a SA2 movie to fans, so not having those two key characters makes a film that sets out to tell that story a little difficult to sell for most fans. Hopefully it's at least better than movie 2 if they don't have Amy or Rouge.
they could easily just make eggmann an animated character trough some freak accident or expiriment like in the OG comic where eggman was doctor kintobor bevore fusing with a rotten egg. and from there on out they could just animate all characters
I mean...I'm a bigger Sonic Fan than a Mario Fan And yet I like the Mario movie more than the Sonic Movies I'm Sorry, but as a Mario Fan, the Mario Movie has so much of the things I like about the Games, in a Movie format Meanwhile, as a Sonic Fan, the Sonic Movies have only a few things I like about the Games, in a Movie format, the rest of the time, they're doing whatever the fuck they want, except being Videogame adaptations. This has the potential to be fixed in Sonic Movie 3, because they're taking elements from one of my favorite videogames of all time, Sonic Adventure 2, but they could also fuck it up even further if they decide to focus on the wrong things during the movie. Which, after the Knuckles Show, I have the feeling that this is what's going to happen.
Theirs was a writing script confirmed before the writer strike that Amy was going to be in Sonic movie 3 along with big the cat and Metal Sonic is in it to instead of Biolizard
4th movies rarely do good, but sega can stand a chance if they use metal and mephilis with a Sonic CD/06 plot. If Amy is introduced in this 3rd film with a small role, then she can have room to be more established in the 4th with the CD arc. Then by mixing that with a Sonic 06 arc with Mephilis, you add a darker villain that actually killed Sonic in the games. Then even if sega adds a bunch of new characters like rouge, silver or blaze, it would still be a fun note to end on.
I just hope they don't go the Amazing Spider-Man 2 route with Sonic Movie 3, where they just pile on all manner of stuff somewhat haphazardly for the sake of setting up future movies that may or may not actually happen.
if they do get Amy or Rouge in there, they could always use the Game VAs as they did with Tails (though maybe they shouldn't with Rouge as Karen Strassman has become worse as Rouge imo)
I don't think they're going to reboot. There's been news that the film's creators want to make a full cinematic universe in these movies alone. The same thing goes with Illumination and the Mario movies. I like these movies, but if that means that they're going to take their sweet time introducing very little things from the source material into the movies, like showing one new character for every project and not going back to the planet where Sonic is from then that'll be a waste of potential. The fact we saw a cameo of what the chaotix team might look like in the movie's universe from the Sonic 2 pre-quill comic shows that there can be a lot more that these movies can do. But they choose not to go full in as they probably think that's proper longevity when it really isn't. Say what you will about the Knuckles show, but I actually liked it and with the two Sonic movies implemented to that story, I can see that unlike other versions of Sonic, this new iteration actually wants to make a better usage of human characters and Sonic characters in its stories. I know that there are Sonic fans who hate human characters in Sonic because of how poorly they were done in the 2000s games or Sonic X or other media, but gosh, I think there's a deeper narrative reason for why the story wanted to focus a little more on Wade Wipple and Randall in the movies because I think them, alongside with Tom and Maddie they are going to be become an important key player for the third movie and might play a part in redemption of Shadows The Hedgehog given that his only human companion was Maria. It might also give some deeper understanding to Jim Carry Robotnik as he once said he was an orphan in the first movie, but now knowing he once had a long lost family with his grandfather Gerald Robotnik, this could actually be quite powerful for the character development of Dr. Eggman in the movies. That's not to say that the Sonic trio will still have a huge role to play in the third installment. But I do hope for more future projects they focus more heavily on trying to bring in more characters and locations from the games and not do everything one by one. That's just a bad corporate decision and doesn't allow for bigger expansive stories. The MCU has already implemented a lot of stuff into individual movies and it's proven to be a good move time and time again. If done well for the Sonic movies, it can make for a more lived in universe with a lot familiarity for fans of the source material games and a visually inviting series for general audiences too. Don't limit yourself too much, go full in with the actual lore of the Sonic games.
Something about this movie is gonna make fans angry. I'll just be there for the Knuckles vs Shadow fight. The only way I can see Sonic movies being successful after the third one is absolutely going full animated. Mainly by just adapting one game at a time. Either start at Sonic 1 or Adventure 1. I hate to say it, but these movies were a HUGE waste of potential. What sucks even more is that Sonic is the one helping people overcome their own insecurities. Sonic is supposed to be a character that doesn't have internal struggles. The problem with every piece of media, whether it be movies or TV shows involving Sonic, is how poorly they interpret the characters themselves.
In all honesty, I think there’s no way we don’t see City Escape or maybe even Prison Island (seeing that they’ll probably adapt Sonic being framed by Shadow), but yeah I think Space Colony Arc and ESPECIALLY the Bio Lizard are out. If we don’t even get Angel Island or even Amy Rose, then there’s no way that those less iconic and way more expensive features will be added in the movie universe. Amy and Rogue are definitely not in the movie. There would be no reason to keep them this much of a secret for so long. It’s not like Super Sonic who’s just in one scene of the movie, these are characters that (I’d hope) have an active role throughout the film so I just don’t think it’s happening. I think they could do Metal Sonic though as a final battle situation. Maybe they keep him around as the main antagonist for the future of this franchise if Jim Carrey drops out?? But they definitely aren’t rebooting after movie 3. The Sonic Movies are relatively successful for low budget films. This is a cheap gold mine for Paramount and I can’t see them rebooting it for something that would be way more expensive and take a lot more effort to make, at least not for a very long time. We’re just kinda stuck making the best of this universe for a little bit, which will be the most popular form of Sonic for a long time, take that as you will.
I'll have to disagree unfortunately. While the movies may not have been what many people wanted, I don't think it's fair to say the plug should be pulled because of it. The movies have introduced Sonic to a new set of fans, this is their Sonic, and you have the older generation telling them how bad it is and that their vision is so much better. This is a case where any Sonic fans that are unsatisfied with the movie universe need to enjoy the movie universe for what it is, or move on to content that better appeals to them. The Sonic franchise is way too big at this point to say one source of content is better than the other, it's purely preference.
I would have to disagree with you Pup when it comes to the what could they do after Shadow. Dont get me wrong Shadow is a very popular character, but they could do other villains that would give the same amount of hype as Shadow. Case in point besides Metal Sonic they could also introduce Neo Metal Sonic then Metal Overlord. Chaos is another big hype villain especially Perfect Chaos hell even bring back Ibis they introduced him in the knuckles series. They could easily have it that it survive after fighting Knuckles or like in the game its basically immortal you could bring Memphis in too. I just think like there are other cool villains that they can do for a sonic 4, 5 and 6 where Amy and Rouge can be introduce in and that Shadow isnt the end all be end.
15:45 I think that's the biggest issue I have with people's expectations for this movie. Everyone is expecting a 1-to-1 adaptation of SA2 on the big screen, but I feel they fail to realize that that isn't very likely to happen, especially when you have a shorter runtime compared the game, and that's on top of wanting characters for a specific role, which in of itself disregards the time that will have to be spent establishing those characters' relationships with other characters, on top of Shadow's whole deal. It's asking for a lot within a limited time frame, and should they actually do that, the movie's quality will suffer as a result. I made this comment on Twitter a while ago, and someone replied "you just want a bad movie." No, I just don't want the movie to be bloated with a whole bunch of stuff that takes time away from what the movie is already trying to do story wise.
Yes, this is a good decision. There is no reason for them to be in the movies unless they wanted shipping, which I think this movie isn't trying to go for.
Okay so potential spoilers ahead: Regarding the Space colony arc, last year some storyboards for both the Knuckles show and Sonic Movie 3 were leaked. The Knuckles one showed his fight againta the buyer and, from what I remember, it was pretty accurate. So with that logic, the SM3 one will also be true. What did it show? Super Shadow pushing a massive spaceship like thing
Uhm...i heard that someone leaked about a Shadow Spin-off and a 4. Sonic movie being in developement...oh brother.... After i heard this video....i am worried about that 4. Movie
Based on where things are now, I could most feasibly see Amy having a role comparable to some of the humans in previous movies. Still a key part of the story, but not a part of the main hero's "team." I think we'd see a much greater push before release if she was on the level of something like Tails' role in the second movie.
That being said, I completely agree with your view of the optics of not including her at all. It just wouldn't make sense; the push for her as a quaternary character started nearly a full decade ago with Sonic Boom and it would honestly be disappointing if she wasn't included at all. What I'm really hoping for is, even if she isn't the most prominent new character, that she still provides enough meaningful contributions to the film to make it clear that she's going to be a mainstay in the future.
Alright so now what?
I saw a Co-worker carrying her kid's Sonic series plushie while she was going to her car to get something. What character was it? Vector the Crocodile of all characters. Yeah, Sonic & its characters are marketable as hell! 😆
Honestly I’ll be fine with whatever they get out for sonic 3, but they need Amy in it, she needs to be introduced, even with all the hate she gets, there’s infinite possibilities with what you could do if you introduced her. I’ll be sad if she’s not in the main movie, but if we get a post credit scene with her that’s perfectly fine, as long as she makes an appearance soon I’ll be okay, she is important to the franchise. Knowing Live & Learn is in the movie is enough for me to decide it will be great. Even if they didn’t take the perfect route for this movie or franchise, it allows for more room of improvement and keeping people in the future from saying “but sonic 3 was better, the new sonic movies suck”
Unless the writers got to introduce them without making the story feel overcrowded and confused i dont think this will happen (unless they use possible future movies and/or spin-offs to flesh them out)
There's that whole storyboard leak story but im pretty sure is the same story of the whole Metal Sonic storyboard from Sonic 2
To be fair, Tails' introduction was showing up in a police car and saying "I've been stalking you, we're best friends now". Introducing Amy and Rouge would take twenty seconds of screen time if that's our benchmark.
They have been very secretive during the Sonic 3 movie's development. Even though I'm hoping Amy & Rogue might make an appearance, I'm still waiting for the teaser trailer.
Im sure they won't appear.
@@JaXor-n4o Amy will appear in Sonic 3 movie, but not in a post-credits scene.
I hope Sonic is in this movie
I don’t think he’ll make it, he’s not important enough to the plot
Ben Schwartz confirmed it in an interview it’s real
I think adding Sonic would be pointless he'd get massively overshadowed by the main character, Bubsy.
I hope there’s more Wade and less sonic
I hope there’s a wade movie with less Sonic characters since there just side characters
I love Amy and Rouge and will still hold out hope that they will appear in Sonic movie 3, but I swear to God if it turns out they only appear in the mid and/or post credits scenes I will *%#^ing FLIP!!!
I keep rewatching that part where you talk about a potential reboot. I completely agree with you. As much as I like these movies, I believe that they don't really represent the source material. Sonic is supposed to be cool ,edgy and ambitious, but with a level of cheese and cuteness to make it more fun. These movies are mostly family movies, hesitant to take inspiration from the source material. Sonic 1 and 2 are way too much focused on comedy, making for many high scale and exciting moments feel underwhelming.
Ik I'm going into spoiler rn for Sonic 2, but that scene when Sonic and Knuckles fight towards the end is awesome! But a third of it is just Jim Carrey reacting to it. Same when he goes Super Sonic.
Basically, the reason why I like Sonic so much isn't really found in these movies. They are fun and well made, but it's like giving a high school student a B for following some basic tasks for their project. This is my personal opinion ofc, and I don't think Paramount should just throw this franchise in the trash and start again. There is an audience for these movies.
But when are we gonna get a, you know, Sonic movie? Do we really have to keep a Super Mario Bros like movie, taking full advantage of the source material as a distant dream? Can't we have a cool animated film with Sonic and Shadow and Silver running around with rock or dance music in the background as they fight some huge dragon robot thing? I understand why these movies are live action, but like, why? Why aren't these just animated films? These are heavily cartoony, stylized characters! They look so uncanny with shading and mud in their quills and stuff. Also, again, just like you said, the Mario Movie was animated and had a huge audience. Mario is also much more popular but whatever.
Basically, I always thought that they made these movie live action cgi hybrids to appeal to more general audiences, and also attract the old grumpy "cartoons are only for kids" and stuff. But like, yeah, these movies are childish, very childish. Animated or not, these are not the kind of movies that would appeal to dudes (or gurls) who think that feel the need to be edgy and mature, and movies like these are just not enough for them.
I don't mind the idea of Live Action sonic movies. I think it kinda forces the writers to also include human characters, which have been pretty much forgotten by the games, despite they used to be a huge part of the adventure era. But these characters look so weird in photo realistic CGI. While watching Sonic 2, even if I liked it, I kept thinking: ehy are they real looking? It's kinda weird. They look outta place, you know? Also since they clash with the humans, it's much harder to take them seriously, cause I keep thinking that there are just cartoon characters in the real world, unlike the games where they a part of their world. And also the fact that original owl characters are hyper realistic, it just feels alienating. It's like the director inserted these sonic characters in some alternate dimension, where the characters amde special for these movies look completely different.
Ok I should go to sleep it's midnight
Considering The Flames of Disaster in the Knuckles series, I do think I could see one last movie that is inspired by Sonic 2006.
Not having a romance with a princess side plot or Eggman trying to do so, but focusing on Solaris (maybe connecting it to the Echidnas in place of the Soleanna government. The Knuckles series has already connected Knuckles to Iblis, so this could also draw from Sonic Adventure) and time travel with Silver. Building on 06's plot of good intentioned actions having disaterous consequences.
Honestly... they should've set up Metal Sonic in the last movie. They knew Jim Carrey wasn't going to be around forever, and there really isn't anyone else that could even remotely take his place (and even that's debatable) from the games, cus Gerald DEFINITELY isn't going to work, and as much as I love Agent Stone... I don't think they'll ever let him be the main villain. He's not as marketable as the Doctor.
I mean, i guess there's Starline, but that's as likely as it raining liquid metal that spreads like a rash.
Was that a metal Virus reference?
Remember we didn’t get a movie super sonic since it would spoil the movie until a year later when the movie come out I feel like jakks will do that
"Knuckles gets a big role"
Wasn't that the whole point of the Knuc-oh wait I meant the Wade Show
Exactly
I'd say they might be trying to redeem Knux, but this movie was written shortly before Movie 2 even came out, so that's not really possible.
"You can't introduce so many new characters it detracts from Shadow's story! Amy and Rouge can wait!"
The 50 new human characters: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
THANK YOU! I'm really tired of people saying Amy and Rouge shouldn't be in the movie for that reason while completely ignoring the new human characters who keep getting added. What do you think they're going to do? I remember wedding scene from movie 2 being pretty long.
Replace wade with rouge and you already made the series better.
If we're getting characters like Amy Rose and Rouge in this franchise, Should they be introduced the same way as Tails and Knuckles who came to earth each having different reasons for looking for Sonic? Are Natalie Portman and Cate Blanchett the best choices in playing them or should their voice actors from the TV Shows come back?
Honestly, even if Rouge and Amy aren't in the movie, (if they aren't, I would be sad) it wouldn't be too upsetting. They've already said that the movies won't follow the games in order, so Movie 3 won't be a copy & paste of Adventure 2. And they've said that the universe will expand beyond the movies and get spinoffs that will introduce characters that won't be in the movies. So just because Amy and Rouge aren't in the third film, that's not to say they'll never be in the movie universe. They will, just give them time.
Don't wanna jump to conclusions but after how the knuckles how turned out i don't exactly have the biggest faith in those spin offs.
Who knows maybe they might listen to the criticism of knuckles show and surprise us but im not holding my breath.
amy is
look on Google
She's in sonic movie 1 when maddy was looking at houses someone named Amy rose
@@owengooding61Could be an Easter egg I mean how and why would Amy Rose come to earth and how would she hide herself while knowing how to create a website
I think For maria’s death, all they gotta show is a G.U.N soldier with the 6 eyed visor helmet holding up an obscured pistol (bc it’ll probably be a flashback scene)
It could flash to maria falling in slow motion with no blood, fading to either black or white with Shadow yelling Maria’s name, that way, it wouldnt surpass a pg13
I still have 20 bucks saying Maria isn't even dead and she's Donut Lords mom or something. This is live action Paramount we're talking about, not talented writers.
@@BritBox777 The actress for Maria has been shown and she is young.
@@toshtao1 I think they mean that age wise, she would’ve been a 60-year-old woman if she was still alive.
0:44 man this song in the background
oooh one of the best
its really underrated
My thoughts on all this, keep the movie's universe the way it is, just transition them from live action to animated.
And heres my reasoning for all of this, so the Sonic movie's producer said before that he wants to continue the existing universe we already have right, well unless you had the budget of movies like Avengers Endgame, there's only so much you can do in live action (the knuckles show for example) so what should they do? Transition the movies to be animated.
Like maybe in Sonic 3 or a Sonic 4, in an ending scene of any of these movies there could be an event where Sonic after living on Earth for so long now feels he has to go back to his original home, wherever it is in the galaxy since there isn't any other potential problems that would put Earth in danger. (with Shadow possibly staying on Earth to keeping the place safe) and then there would be a whole goodbye scene that would then take Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles to travel from Earth to wherever in the Galaxy to continue their adventures.
This is just a theory of mine about what could happen. Other stuff like who's going to be the main villain now will be something for the movie team to figure out.
I don’t know whether Amy and Rouge will be in this movie, but I feel like if they were, they would try to hide it as best as they can until the first online trailer drops. As far as we know, there’s a small chance that the trailer they’re showing to ppl at CinemaCon, etc. could be only part of what they part of what they plan to show when we get the grand trailer reveal online.
After all, let’s be honest, they’re not stupid, they know it’s going to be leaked when it plays in front of private audiences, and they probably don’t want to get hype officially going until the trailer releases online, possibly showcasing Amy and Rouge.
And same thing for toys, because Amy and Rouge may not be MAJOR major characters for the film like Shadow will be, and because, like what was mentioned in the video, there is a history of movies being leaked through toys, they could be trying to hide Amy and Rouge by not including them in the figure sets under the excuse of “they’re not important enough.”
Sonic 2 introduced both Tails & Knuckles, so I’m hoping they’ll introduce 2 more characters in this movie: Shadow AND Amy.
Sonic 1: Sonic and Robotnic (2)
Sonic 2: Tails and Knuckles (2)
Sonic 3: Shadow and Amy (2) Why break the pattern now?
As a non-Sonic fan who loves the movies, I would really like it if Amy and Rouge are in Sonic 3. If not both, at least one of them. Now, obviously, even if they aren't in the movie that doesn't rule out them appearing in the future. Sonic 3 is more than likely going to be a lose adaptation of SA2 so certain parts are probably going to be altered or omitted much like with Sonic 2 being a lose adaptation of the second Sonic game on the genesis, as well as Sonic 3 & Knuckles. As long as they do a good job adapting the story of SA2 and they get Shadow's characterization right, it should be amazing. I still have hope for this movie even though the Knuckles series was a letdown. Plus, the show had different writers than the movies.
Rouge not being in the movie I'm honestly fine with, introduce her in a shadow spin off. But Amy needs to be there man
Agree👍
Agreed 100%
Well you can have to hold that She will be there But we haven't even heard of her being confirmed yet so I don't know if she'll be in sonic movie 3 But you bear have your fingers Crossed🤞🤞🤞🤞
@@jessicamunoz5028 If Amy And Rouge Are in the movie Then Big The Cat Will Be in the post credit scene!!!
@@yarigoeman9985 hmmmm good point
It makes me sad knowing that Amy probably won't be in this movie
Both characters had really good and important rolls in SA2 it would be silly or off putting if they don’t have them in it
I really hppe Amy and Rogue are in it
If there has to be a Sonic character to redeem Shadow in Sonic 3 movie, it has to be Amy. That's why she needs to be in Sonic 3 movie. It will be a very dumb decision not to include her in this movie.
#JusticeforAmyRose #AmyinSonicMovie3
While I do believe there will be a Fully animated Sonic film one day, I know there’s gonna be monkeys paw with it.
It's based in Sonic Adventure 2. It would be foolish not to include them. Also, when I saw Krysten Ritter on the cast list, my first thought was a perfect choice for Rouge, but according to IMDb, she's just playing a captain.
"Based on" in the sense of it having Shadow and his story arc but nothing else has been promised and it would be foolish to EXPECT Amy and Rouge honestly.
@@zaail3norsumidkbut it be abit foolish too replace there roles with other new characters that would have to be introduced anyway so what’s the difference???
The Movie universe isn't like the sonic games......
If we're getting characters like Amy Rose and Rouge in this franchise, Should they be introduced the same way as Tails and Knuckles who came to earth each having different reasons for looking for Sonic? Are Natalie Portman and Cate Blanchett the best choices in playing them or should their voice actors from the TV Shows come back?
@@elliotsturtplus340 they can just use jojo, it would be another good use for a pre-existing character. amy isn't NEEDED for this role that's dumb to think.
Why don't we just get both live action and fully animated movies? Y'know, like the other popular Paramount franchises?
Knuckles deserved respect again i want to be year of Knuckles one day
I'd say the reason why we had to wait so long for the No Way Home villain merch is because they wanted to make absolutely sure that noone knew the villains were coming back, though leaks happened anyway.
In fact, the original intention for the marketing was to focus on Spider-Man vs Doctor Strange, leaving the villains a surprise until opening day as well. But when they got leaked anyway, they changed their mind.
Admittedly, I don't think Paramount is as secretive as Marvel. Plus, as much as I like Amy and Rouge, I don't think they would be the big surprise characters the movie needs. Shadow already is that. So, it's really hard to say.
I disagree. Amy really needs to be in Sonic 3 movie, but not in a post-credits scene.
Give Amy Rose and Rouge The Bat a chance Paramount and Sega
Imagine this, Mariandoes get shot, and we have a scene with Shadow, gun in hand, chasing down Sonic and the Wachowski's on space colony ark while Shadoe is having flashbacks to Maria's death. Does he do something he regrets?
The thing is, we probably won’t know until the Trailer, as we didn’t even know Knuckles was going to be in the 2nd Movie until that trailer confirmed it, also with the Toy Leaks, if there were toys of the characters, Paramount would probably be keeping high watch of leaks of those characters, Shadow doesn’t really matter that much- considering he was confirmed either way and we already knew he would get toys
I at least want Amy to be in the movie, she’s one of the classic four. she was around far before shadow was
Here are some of my thoughts:
-If the story includes GUN framing Sonic to cover up Shadow's existence, Tom and Maddie could be arrested for "harboring a dangerous alien" so that nothing can leak. (Kinda serves as a reason to not include them in the story) Therefore if they don't use Amy, Knuckles would be the best option to redeem(?) Shadow as you said.
-While Rouge would be nice to see (I would prefer her to show up in the future), I think Agent Stone would fit better with Eggman's team given Rouge's role in SA2 was an ally of Eggman, and Agent Stone is already a strong ally of Eggman.
- Overall, I would be kinda disappointed if at least Amy didn't make it into Sonic 3, but her and Rouge's absences allow for a better story, then I can live with that.
Speaking of Amy , someone on Twitter named Sydney made a poll about who should play Amy in Sonic Movie 3 if she’s gonna be in the movie at all and one of choices was Kristen Bell
Once Sydney posted that poll, Kristen Bell found out about it and blocked her
Do you think that is a bit suspicious? 🤨
I think it’s confirmed!!! (I hope not in the post credit scene!!!)
@@yarigoeman9985 most likely post credits cause of Metal Sonic..... and tbh Silver and Blaze ain't coming before a Adventure 1 adaptation.....
@@nes96Sonic 3 will different We don’t see Ghosts,We Don’t See Space Rockets,We Don’t see Maria Get Schoot Because it’s PG and the characters that’s you want are not what you expect so Amy Will Maybe In The Third Movie!!!
@@yarigoeman9985…am sorry for ya lose
I said it before and I'll say it again: If Amy is not in Sonic 3, I'm done. I'm not waiting 2 to 3 years again for the minuscule chance of having her and I'm sick and tired of people seeing this character as disposable. Will I want Sonic 3 to fail? No, I'm not petty. Will I watch it? Fuck no, a movie all about Shadow is the last thing I want, I do not like him enough to watch an entire movie revolving on him.
Back to Amy however, I don't want a post credit scene or an incomplete CD adaptation, especially since I know the movies will jump to 06 after, I want her in the movie, straight up.
To people who are hoping that either of these characters will show up in the movie, it's not going to happen. Yes, they are adapting Sonic Adventure 2, one of the greatest storylines from Sonic ever, but just like how Sonic the Hedgehog 2 loosely adapts Sonic 3 and Knuckles, it will be the same, taking major inspiration and elements from Sonic Adventure 2, and probably Shadow 05. I mean, we do know that Shadow is getting his motorcycle, so who knows, they might add other elements. But my main point is expect this to be shadow's story, nothing more, nothing less. I don't care how many times I comment this on different videos, I'm still going to. Keep your expectations low. Do I want to be proven wrong by December? I do, but for now, this is how I see things going realistically. Again, keep expectations low.
I’m all for adding those two in the movie, but not if they’re just going to be shoe horned in.
Though for Amy’s case, if they continue this series, then they can add her in some CD inspired game or whatever gets them back to Sonic’s home world.
It can allow her to shine in something new.
Watch the Sonic 3 trailer carefully in 0.25 speed, some of the shots are off-centre and in others it looks like there is empty spot someone could fill in I.E Amy or Rouge, my bet is Rouge because she would accompany right next to Knuckles in one of those shots and her role as a spy thief would work into infiltrating GUN and getting files on Shadow. Also I heard they are saving Amy for a special project or smething
Your coping dude
@@guywholikesanimations1018
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@@mr.knightthedetective7435
Okay, answer me this, in what world would it make sense to keep Amy and rouge hidden? In what world do they have such a important role that they aren’t in trailers or toys? In what world do they play a huge role in a movie we’re we know that the main villian and focus seems to be shadow and gerlad?
Answer me that
@@guywholikesanimations1018
You don't understand how marketing works lol
@@mr.knightthedetective7435 you didn’t answer my question
You know what I absolutely hate with every fiber of my being... the fact that if Amy and Rouge aren't in this movie, Paramount literally faces negative backlash from the fans!
Yeah, I'd like to see Amy, but I honestly don't see any feasible way of it working out. I don't even think they could add another character at all, human or Mobian, without it causing the whole thing to crumble into an unresolvable mess of numerous character arcs fighting for completion within the runtime!
but that doesn't matter to these movies' target market. Nothing matters to them beyond their demands that Paramount meet IMPOSSIBLE expectations!
And it fills me with overwhelming rage!
I really want amy rose and rouge in sonic 3 movie
including big the cat and maybe save Metal Sonic and Silver in sonic movie 4
I want Amy Big Rouge Shadow and Metal Sonic be in Sonic 3
Until the very last minute I am not counting Rogue out of the Sonic 3 film yet. I still have hope that she has to make an appearance more than Amy Rose in the third Sonic film.
@@M567dk It’s already confirmed to not be the case simply due to “design issues”.
Bad news
@@guywholikesanimations1018 I know
The obvious answer is that Kazuma Kiryu is going to board the Space Colony ARK at the end of his show and talk Shadow out of it. He's the only human I'd be happy with replacing Amy in the story.
Yes.
Who is Kazuma Kitty and why would she do it well?
Ok but why though you need to give that character a reason to be there also it’s not like Amy needs to have a huge story arc I mean plus I think there’s enough room for her since sonic arc feels complete after the 2nd movie Knuckles has his thing done in the spin off show kinda tails might need more development and shadow is probably gonna get some focus so yea I say there’s enough room for one more character plus who’s kid is gonna go see the movie too see a random character like captain Rockwell????
@@elliotsturtplus340 exactly
You're defo right that the movie franchise is kinda cooked past 3. They should defo Reboot and maybe use a new cast if needed (imo should be the Prime Cast best VA's we've had since 2009). That way they don't have to worry about their superstar Jim Carrey retiring and putting Eggman's future in jeopardy. The debate however begins with what artstyle they should go for. Should it be 3D CGI or a Sonic X styled anime with better animation? I'd personally like the latter more but one thing is clear. They need to reboot the franchise and start with a more faithful adaptation of a Sonic Game. I'd argue it should be Sonic Adventure 1 seeing as now that they're doing SA2 it'll be hard to go back and adapt it now.
There’s rumors that rouge won’t be in 3 because her being hot and super attractive and somehow would be a distraction that’s what I heard at least
That would be dumb man because even if she just eye candy that would bring in a lot of adults. Like rouge is more than just eye candy she has a complex personality and for them to dismiss her just because of that is insane she is shadow closest friend and is important to shadows story.
But regard to both Amy and rouge. I don’t think either of them will be in the movie because you have to have time to show why this characters are important and to do that you need to have time and with for sonic characters in… it’s just going to be too crowded. A shadow series or movie is where they’ll most likely be
Yeah i heard that too, its so stupid
@@katk3452Exactly dawg every girl character is always reduced to just a joke or hyper sexualized especially rouge, i mean surely they can design her to be more kid friendly like they did in sonic prime? they don’t gotta make her have huge boobs or anything, that’s not all there is to her character. :/
This Sonic film universe is like what the MCU did with Spider-Man very restrictive on what famous characters they can use from the Spider-Man universe and famous Story's Spider-Man has been apart of not harry osborn no mary jane Watson etc hell no mention of uncle ben only difference is cause of the Sony deal but it's basically the same
Man I'm just dying to see if Shadow is going to be in this movie, but I might be asking for too much 😔
honestly i don´t know why they are being secretive about amy being in the movie but hey it has to be for good reason right?
*I would like to see Metal Sonic in live action...* but I'm also an old Sonic fan 😅
I think I'm ready to say goodbye to these Paramount films and let Sonic move on to something better. Give us animated films with good writing and watch the franchise triple its value.
Not having Amy and Rouge is a huge slap in the face.
She’ll most likely appear at the end of the movie similar how Tails was teased in the first movie. Then she will be dumped on the Amy TV series similar to Knuckles tv series.
Plot Twist what if Maria survived and she’s that one who redeemed shadow??? Also has it occurred to anyone that perhaps movie three is a two parter perhaps we’re not gonna get the full depth of what SONIC ADVENTURE 2 is in one movie but perhaps two movies.
I was surprised I actually agreed with a most of what you said in the first half of this.
But the second half I'm not so on board with. It's not that I think you're wrong. It's your opinion and I can see why you have those opinions even. It makes perfect sense. I just don't agree with it.
I don't like the idea of Amy and Rouge being introduced AFTER Shadow because if that's the case they should have held off on Shadow or introduced them earlier with less focus til now. But there's the Jim Carrey thing. And while your point about worrying about the Robotnik actor retiring is a true issue, it's not one I think many people regret. They love Jim Carrey as Robotnik and knowing he might retire (and the fact he usually never does sequels let alone a trilogy) putting us on edge only for him to come back for a second AND THIRD movie just serves to excite people. It's crazy that Sonic is the franchise to make him do something he's never done before.
I also don't like the lack of music representation in the movies, especially when a lot of the music was composed with the idea "what if this were a movie?". So there are plenty of moments where certain traits, re-recorded Sonic music in orchestral arrangement, would fit extremely well.
BUT I don't think they should stop making the movies. I'd be satisfied with just 3, but if they are gonna make more, I'm all for it. And I hope it goes in the right direction. It's clear the writers and director wants to go in the direction at least somewhat parallel to what the fans would like, even if not exact. And I've been enjoying it. They can reboot or continue with movies that need no origin story that's animated eventually. But I don't think they should stop pleasing the majority because one or a few people think so, sorry.
Also I'm not sure if Spider-Verse or Last Wish animation is my go-to for Sonic. I mean I wouldn't mind it, but it's starting to get tiresome seeing it trend just because it was popular for it's unique style that, to me, fit best in Spider-Verse BECAUSE it played on those comic-book aesthetics as well as changing style depending on the universe. TMNT didn't look bad, but it's starting to look like an AI art style with just a mess of stuff and being called "artistic". I still very much love the animation in How To Train Your Dragon 2 where it's cartoony designs but hyperrealistic lighting and texture. I also like Despicable Me that is just flat out cartoony which worked for Mario.
On that note, I REALLY wish people would stop referring to the Mario movie when talking about Sonic. They're completely different stories and approaches to adaptation. There's no reason to compare them. I get the Sonic vs Mario thing comes to mind with the games, but this isn't SEGA and Nintendo anymore. Sonic has way more music than Mario, way more characters and way more plot. Mario plays more into the cartoony side than Sonic and more simple iconic set pieces. They both play into their strengths. (Except for Sonic's lack of game music. lol)
Personally when it comes to Sonic animation, I'd love a movie with the animation we see in the game cinematics like in Sonic Mania. I think that would look really nice for a Sonic film.
@@Alino- Huh… I can see it as like a direct to streaming movie yeah. If it’s theatrical, I would expect something higher budget.
13:40 Disagree about the snowboarding down San Francisco, if the Sonic Symphony ending with City Escape and Live and Learn is anything to go by they know those are the two most iconic parts of SA2 so I'd expect them both to show up in some way shape or form, though I broadly agree it won't just be a live action SA2
I really want to see a sonic movie with dark gaia as the main villain. If we could see all the countries be broken up into pieces like sonic unleashed then that shi would be DOPE. maybe even include silver too or something lol
We haven't heard of amy being confirmed yet But i'm actually don't Think she ever will be rouge is also not Going to be in the movie because I heard this research a long time ago that She was confirmed not to be in the movie But at least hope Is metal sonic is gonna Be in the movie.
I'll have my fingers crossed.And basically I hope the trailer is coming out Tomorrow If not we're gonna have to pray that it's gonna come out on july 27th But it won't then. I'm gonna cry. But don't worry, I'll have my fingers crossed I also wonder if robotnik' Death egg robot Will return for the third movie. I least hope we got another announcement about that.
And if I see sonic and robotnik team up I'm gonna be surprised And Pissed at the same time. Because that will just ruin the movie for me. But i'm also excited to hear Keanu reeves Voice acting for.
Shadow I bet it's can be pretty fire if you ask me😎😎😎😎😎🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
Rest in peace Channel Pop, we all miss you 🙏 fly high lil bro 🕊️🕊️🕊️
chanel poop is dead!? oh noes!11!11!
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Correction, a six pack got leaked with sonic, shadow, knuckles, eggman and 2 “new characters” as it stated, meaning the leaked 5 pack with the badniks is something unrelated.
Honestly I don't think there's a problem with killing Maria in this, so many animated movies deal with death of loved ones
They did say that this movie is getting a lot of inspiration from Sonic Adventure 2, so that already makes it easy to believe that they won't be changing too much of what happened in that game for that movie. Amy and Rouge should be in it, maybe they will get revealed in the first trailer. Super Sonic and Super Shadow will very likely be in it because Paramount would be a studio of bumbling FOOLS to not have Live & learn be playing during a final battle scene that shows those characters in those forms, including the fact that according to the musician who wrote it, that iconic song has already been officially confirmed to be getting included into the Sonic 3 movie. Also an update reveals that they will be using the OG Crush 40 version of Live & learn in that movie, not a remix version with a different music style!
Super Sonic, Super Shadow and Live & Learn are locked in 100% happening to me
No doubt in my mind
The only one who im fine replacing Amy in redeeming Shadow with is Knuckles! Come on, THE GOAT NEEDS TO REDEEM AN ANOTHER GOAT!
Same. Knuckles could be a good replacement (though I love Amy and I still hope she is in the movie; but this hope is so small...)
Okay, that's a good enough compromise.
Hm, fair and valid points and opinions.
Personally, regardless of what, i just hope this Movie turns out well.
My hype just died a little knowing there might be a low chance Amy and rouge will be in there
Diddo.
They aren’t
I dont like this plot for Sonic Movie 3.😭😭😭
I’m just mad that they can’t Introduce chaos first instead of shadow but i still like the sonic movies
The problem is if they're going to reboot it after Sonic 3 it'd have to be for the same reasons that the Spider-Man movies kept getting rebooted and unfortunately Hollywood only listens to money and if Sonic Movie 3 makes a shit ton at the box office then yeah they're going to make Sonic 4 weather it makes sense or not I mean Shrek 5 has been confirmed for July 1st 2026 despite the fact that Shrek 4 was marketed as the final movie.
I think it's a good idea to just go fully animated for the Sonic films. No matter how the 3rd film turns out, live action Sonic is still super restrictive.
Who even cares about the sonic movie when Michael bay just got announced to be directing a skibidi toilet movie
I want to pull a sir gawain from black knight and stab myself with a sword we are living in the bad future
Wait actually?
@@ILikeChaosSonic unfortunately
@@With2Ls time to find the past sign post on little planet
And prevent ST before it was invented
@@PointLess-f5t yes
I mean if they're not in the movie then it's kinda gonna be lame imo, can't have a proper SA2 adaptation without these two characters
Yeah, but remember, Movie 3 isn't going to be a One-on-one recreation of SA2, it's just taking some elements from that game, as well as the Shadow 2005 videogame.
Not to mention story-wise, they can take story elements from the games, but they also have to keep it as original as possible.
@@boltthelunarian1405 Where on earth did you hear it will be taking anything from the Shadow The Hedgehog game? Never heard anyone anywhere say anything about the movie taking aspects from that game at all. And yeah it's obviously not going to be a one to one recreation of SA2, it's an adaptation, meaning it's not one to one... Regardless of the point you are trying to make, you can't fulfilling tell the story that this movie is setting out to adapt with these two key characters. They are 100% going to market this movie as a SA2 movie to fans, so not having those two key characters makes a film that sets out to tell that story a little difficult to sell for most fans. Hopefully it's at least better than movie 2 if they don't have Amy or Rouge.
@@hugevasectomy5505they’ve said multiple times Shadow 05 and Sonic Adventure 2 are the games the plot is based on
they could easily just make eggmann an animated character trough some freak accident or expiriment like in the OG comic where eggman was doctor kintobor bevore fusing with a rotten egg. and from there on out they could just animate all characters
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I mean...I'm a bigger Sonic Fan than a Mario Fan
And yet I like the Mario movie more than the Sonic Movies
I'm Sorry, but as a Mario Fan, the Mario Movie has so much of the things I like about the Games, in a Movie format
Meanwhile, as a Sonic Fan, the Sonic Movies have only a few things I like about the Games, in a Movie format, the rest of the time, they're doing whatever the fuck they want, except being Videogame adaptations.
This has the potential to be fixed in Sonic Movie 3, because they're taking elements from one of my favorite videogames of all time, Sonic Adventure 2, but they could also fuck it up even further if they decide to focus on the wrong things during the movie. Which, after the Knuckles Show, I have the feeling that this is what's going to happen.
I really hope they don't change what happened to maria if parents complain about it that's their problem they don't have to watch the movie.
Amy Rose will been in Sonic Movie 3 or 4?! They really seen her in Sonic Movie 3 or 4.
Don’t forget that batgirl
i think the ark will be in movie 3 and the animation will most likely improve due to fully CGI environment like the drone home video
I made a poster for Amy just incase
Theirs was a writing script confirmed before the writer strike that Amy was going to be in Sonic movie 3 along with big the cat and Metal Sonic is in it to instead of Biolizard
Man rumors are saying that the two of them are going to be in MOVIE
4th movies rarely do good, but sega can stand a chance if they use metal and mephilis with a Sonic CD/06 plot. If Amy is introduced in this 3rd film with a small role, then she can have room to be more established in the 4th with the CD arc. Then by mixing that with a Sonic 06 arc with Mephilis, you add a darker villain that actually killed Sonic in the games. Then even if sega adds a bunch of new characters like rouge, silver or blaze, it would still be a fun note to end on.
I just hope they don't go the Amazing Spider-Man 2 route with Sonic Movie 3, where they just pile on all manner of stuff somewhat haphazardly for the sake of setting up future movies that may or may not actually happen.
if they do get Amy or Rouge in there, they could always use the Game VAs as they did with Tails (though maybe they shouldn't with Rouge as Karen Strassman has become worse as Rouge imo)
Maybe they could potentially got a new VA for rouge and then have that VA voice her in the games who knows
Maybe this time credit the voice actor by day 1.
If sonic 2 can introduce 2 characters then why can’t sonic 3
Yeah I now right
I don't think they're going to reboot. There's been news that the film's creators want to make a full cinematic universe in these movies alone. The same thing goes with Illumination and the Mario movies. I like these movies, but if that means that they're going to take their sweet time introducing very little things from the source material into the movies, like showing one new character for every project and not going back to the planet where Sonic is from then that'll be a waste of potential. The fact we saw a cameo of what the chaotix team might look like in the movie's universe from the Sonic 2 pre-quill comic shows that there can be a lot more that these movies can do. But they choose not to go full in as they probably think that's proper longevity when it really isn't.
Say what you will about the Knuckles show, but I actually liked it and with the two Sonic movies implemented to that story, I can see that unlike other versions of Sonic, this new iteration actually wants to make a better usage of human characters and Sonic characters in its stories. I know that there are Sonic fans who hate human characters in Sonic because of how poorly they were done in the 2000s games or Sonic X or other media, but gosh, I think there's a deeper narrative reason for why the story wanted to focus a little more on Wade Wipple and Randall in the movies because I think them, alongside with Tom and Maddie they are going to be become an important key player for the third movie and might play a part in redemption of Shadows The Hedgehog given that his only human companion was Maria. It might also give some deeper understanding to Jim Carry Robotnik as he once said he was an orphan in the first movie, but now knowing he once had a long lost family with his grandfather Gerald Robotnik, this could actually be quite powerful for the character development of Dr. Eggman in the movies.
That's not to say that the Sonic trio will still have a huge role to play in the third installment. But I do hope for more future projects they focus more heavily on trying to bring in more characters and locations from the games and not do everything one by one. That's just a bad corporate decision and doesn't allow for bigger expansive stories. The MCU has already implemented a lot of stuff into individual movies and it's proven to be a good move time and time again. If done well for the Sonic movies, it can make for a more lived in universe with a lot familiarity for fans of the source material games and a visually inviting series for general audiences too. Don't limit yourself too much, go full in with the actual lore of the Sonic games.
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Something about this movie is gonna make fans angry. I'll just be there for the Knuckles vs Shadow fight.
The only way I can see Sonic movies being successful after the third one is absolutely going full animated. Mainly by just adapting one game at a time. Either start at Sonic 1 or Adventure 1. I hate to say it, but these movies were a HUGE waste of potential.
What sucks even more is that Sonic is the one helping people overcome their own insecurities. Sonic is supposed to be a character that doesn't have internal struggles. The problem with every piece of media, whether it be movies or TV shows involving Sonic, is how poorly they interpret the characters themselves.
We want a Amy vs Rouge battle
Sonic 3 movie is based on sonic adventure 2 and there's no sonic adventure and sonic movie 3 without amy rose and rouge
Ain't Knuckles more speial than Shadow? He is the last of his kind after his species were wipe out, and he was always alone for like 14 years.
In all honesty, I think there’s no way we don’t see City Escape or maybe even Prison Island (seeing that they’ll probably adapt Sonic being framed by Shadow), but yeah I think Space Colony Arc and ESPECIALLY the Bio Lizard are out. If we don’t even get Angel Island or even Amy Rose, then there’s no way that those less iconic and way more expensive features will be added in the movie universe.
Amy and Rogue are definitely not in the movie. There would be no reason to keep them this much of a secret for so long. It’s not like Super Sonic who’s just in one scene of the movie, these are characters that (I’d hope) have an active role throughout the film so I just don’t think it’s happening.
I think they could do Metal Sonic though as a final battle situation. Maybe they keep him around as the main antagonist for the future of this franchise if Jim Carrey drops out?? But they definitely aren’t rebooting after movie 3. The Sonic Movies are relatively successful for low budget films. This is a cheap gold mine for Paramount and I can’t see them rebooting it for something that would be way more expensive and take a lot more effort to make, at least not for a very long time. We’re just kinda stuck making the best of this universe for a little bit, which will be the most popular form of Sonic for a long time, take that as you will.
Yes SONIC MOVIE 3 Adventure 2 MOVIE
With Amy and Rouge added and thier backstories how they look
@@tk32502 Amy Rouge
very beautiful
I'll have to disagree unfortunately. While the movies may not have been what many people wanted, I don't think it's fair to say the plug should be pulled because of it. The movies have introduced Sonic to a new set of fans, this is their Sonic, and you have the older generation telling them how bad it is and that their vision is so much better. This is a case where any Sonic fans that are unsatisfied with the movie universe need to enjoy the movie universe for what it is, or move on to content that better appeals to them. The Sonic franchise is way too big at this point to say one source of content is better than the other, it's purely preference.
I would have to disagree with you Pup when it comes to the what could they do after Shadow. Dont get me wrong Shadow is a very popular character, but they could do other villains that would give the same amount of hype as Shadow. Case in point besides Metal Sonic they could also introduce Neo Metal Sonic then Metal Overlord. Chaos is another big hype villain especially Perfect Chaos hell even bring back Ibis they introduced him in the knuckles series. They could easily have it that it survive after fighting Knuckles or like in the game its basically immortal you could bring Memphis in too. I just think like there are other cool villains that they can do for a sonic 4, 5 and 6 where Amy and Rouge can be introduce in and that Shadow isnt the end all be end.
15:45 I think that's the biggest issue I have with people's expectations for this movie. Everyone is expecting a 1-to-1 adaptation of SA2 on the big screen, but I feel they fail to realize that that isn't very likely to happen, especially when you have a shorter runtime compared the game, and that's on top of wanting characters for a specific role, which in of itself disregards the time that will have to be spent establishing those characters' relationships with other characters, on top of Shadow's whole deal.
It's asking for a lot within a limited time frame, and should they actually do that, the movie's quality will suffer as a result. I made this comment on Twitter a while ago, and someone replied "you just want a bad movie." No, I just don't want the movie to be bloated with a whole bunch of stuff that takes time away from what the movie is already trying to do story wise.
but it's definitely a character that will really appear in ROUGE THE BAT
Yes, this is a good decision. There is no reason for them to be in the movies unless they wanted shipping, which I think this movie isn't trying to go for.
Okay so potential spoilers ahead:
Regarding the Space colony arc, last year some storyboards for both the Knuckles show and Sonic Movie 3 were leaked. The Knuckles one showed his fight againta the buyer and, from what I remember, it was pretty accurate.
So with that logic, the SM3 one will also be true. What did it show? Super Shadow pushing a massive spaceship like thing
This is all from memory tho, I've been unable to find the leaked animatics again. So take this with a grain of salt
Uhm...i heard that someone leaked about a Shadow Spin-off and a 4. Sonic movie being in developement...oh brother....
After i heard this video....i am worried about that 4. Movie