Quest for Best Competitive Gaming Audio Part Two - Sennheiser 560S vs DT 1990 Pro
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- Опубликовано: 19 мар 2021
- The quest continues. So far, my number one pick is still the Sennheiser 560S. let me know in the comments what I NEED to try next to compete for the top spot.
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see this is what youtube was made for , a user sharing his real experience about a product and being honest about it , unlike so called professional reviewers .
Thanks!
Agreed! Great review!
Pro reviewers are all paid off. This guy spitting facts. You can tell cuz he's buying this shit and not dropping reviews on embargo day.
@@FreshReviewsYT how do u setup ur audio do u use and surround or spatial gimmimick
@@FreshReviewsYT
What amp do you recommend for the hds560, also 👍🏾 great review.
This channel is money. You're are providing a perspective that a lot of gamers are looking for and backing it up with credibility. I also enjoy the simplicity of your presentation and how matter-of-fact you are. Keep up the great work! You earned a sub!
Thank you!!
Amazing comparison, have seen most of your headphone videos and really enjoyed the presentation. Hope to see more videos from you on this subject, would be great if you can do a yearly ranking video of headphones for gaming, like some do with the laptops (S, A, B, C, D, E, F Tier).
Dude I loved your orochi vid it’s what made me order one! This channel is exactly what I’m all about rn. I randomly found it again when looking up this exact comparison and was like (click.)
Glad you enjoy it!
your channel deserves more recognition!!!
Thanks!
This is amazing, I had the 6xx for a while, looking for an upgrade since I started diving into the black hole. This is what I needed. Appreciate your efforts
560s isnt much of an upgrade for 6xx, most people would say 6xx is better than 560s unless you're a producer or someone looking to not enjoy listening experiences as much and just analyze and interpret audio, depends what youre going for.
@@eggtastic3555 It's subjective for sure. The 560s are MUCH better for gaming when compared to the 6XX, they have better soundstage & imaging compared to the 6XX. The 560s also cover a wider range of music genres in my experience, where as the 6XX tend to be too warm/smooth for genres like EDM/Dance music.
@@Justfillintheblank yeah i got the 560s, theyre okay, i didnt like the lack of bass at first but the clarity and soundstage made up for it, i need to get an amp dac stack to truly make them live up to their potential but so far, with my astro mixamp, theyre not bad.
@@eggtastic3555 Yeah they do benefit from a dedicated dac/amp. And with one, I think they have a good amount of bass personally.
@@Justfillintheblank the bass issue may have been that i just came off of using a gaming headset, and as you know, theyre known for their iconic "drowning everything out with bass" attribute, but i just used dolby atmos to compensate for it, its perfect on the music setting. Theyre hyper comfortable as well and feel like nothing after a while, the transparency or open backness is the only issue as i always have background noise, i made a change that reduced it but its always gonna remain as long as i have a fan running. I needed to see what the hype was about with audiophiles and their headphones, not bad.
this is the perfect channel for me right now!!!!
Thank you!
He needs to make more videos.
Thank you so much. Literally just order the h560s. I have sone dt990 pro headsets and love em, but i feel in my games like apex, things are being lost in all the action.
The fact you are actually showing gameplay and telling us your experience is exactly what i needed.
💪🏽
@@Sully.05 I use an xlr microphone with a scarlet solo 4th gen
Hey how was the experience with h560s?
Thank you so much for this great review! I finally managed to make a decision fora headphone for competitive fps gaming with your help!
What exactly is that headphone connected to the 560s ? The 560s doesn’t come with a microphone as far as I know right? Is that a detachable mic?
Glad I could help!
I use a cable I got from Amazon by ABLET. It's a boom mic cable compatible with the HD598
@@FreshReviewsYT Thank you very much for the fast response sir 🙏🏻
oh my.. You just nailed it. I've finally come to the right place. Yes, I subscribed after I've watched two of your reviews on headphones for gaming.
Thanks!
appreciate the awesome review. just got the 560s. also, you're a hell of a shot!
Thanks. Enjoy!
Just gained another sub, really nice video, finally someone who is an actual pro that speaks about the best directional headset
Ty!
Thanks for your channel. This is the real game review. I sold my HD660S, gave up buying HD800S, bought HD560S, and plan to sell dt1990
I’ve been wondering should I go with 560s or 660. Which do you prefer?
@@Aye-Em 聽音樂我選擇660s,遊戲是560S
took a while to find your videos but these are great videos. well done
Thank you! Glad to have you here!
So incredibly tempted to pick the 560S up, just worried they won't be a justifiable switch from my old DT 880 (which a lot of people compare it to and say they're similar, but you're the only "gamer-gamer" who actually goes properly into useful stuff like FPS soundstage).
I feel like I've only had that true "wallhack headphones" experience once(!) in my life, and that was almost 20 years ago now playing Soldier of Fortune II multiplayer at a friend's house; a relatively cheap Koss headset I had plugged into his little brother's onboard audio(!!) was just insane, I could hear and pinpoint absolutely everything. Never had anything close to that since, and I'm pretty much resigned to not really hearing where anyone is anymore, just using experience to interpolate as soon as I hear anything...
Your previous video has brought my hopes up so high by talking about _exactly_ what I've chased for soon plural decades (geez...) and know can be done! So scared of having my dreams crushed and sitting there with two $200+ headphones for no reason 😅
Great reviews by the way, loving the channel. Found it researching the Viper 8KHz and you helped tip the scale towards getting it (and I'm SO pleased with it! ...aside from having to unplug & reinsert it on every cold boot for some reason, apparently common problem).
Thank you! If you get the headphones make sure it's somewhere you can return them if you end up feeling the price point does not justify the advantage!
Soldier of Fortune... man that brings back memories haha
A year late I know but I’m so close to pulling the trigger on them. What are your thoughts now and do you still recommend them?
It's a relief to hear you say that you didn't get the same imaging and audio separation and being able to pick out sounds with a lot going on with the PC38X. I have those and I feel the same.
I just bought the 560s and hearing you say you CAN hear more distinction is great news. I haven't received the headphones yet, but that is what I partly was hoping for. More "clear sound and resolution" of the sound.
How can you review now those headphones after using for 2 months?
@@subarashii1613 honestly fresh is on the money with these reviews. The only thing you should now look out for is "comfort" out of his picks and comfort can be subjective especially if you're getting iems.
@@python5666 i have iems but cheap ones. My fav tarkov streamer was usig 560s i think now hes wearing 64audio iems just just like lvndmark. He said these are far better with footsteps but also can bo too loud some times
i cant thank you enough for these vids. so valuable coming from someone that actually plays games and is good at them. ive been looking to replace my hd700s and after watching all your vids you have sold me on the 560s.
Enjoy them!
Great video. Nice to see someone review headsets from a gaming perspective and not purely for snobbish audiophiles. Even though I'm the snobby audiophile ;) Might I recommend giving the Dan Clark AEON Flow RT Open a try. It's planar magnetic and I find the soundstange and positional audio to be fantastic. I can't compare it to the 560s directly, but I can tell you it's far superior to the Sennheiser 58x and 6XX. There is an AEON 2 but I find for the extra price it would not be worth any marginal benefit you might get.
glad i found your channel. I have the DT 1990's , im going to pick up the 560's just to have a different flavor of sound. keep up the great content!
Did u buy them after all?
Did you? Did he?
I did😂@@manoli.160
@@jasonemanuel9070 I did too man.. a few months later. .. I'm.. not extremely.. but super happy I would say. I think on that budget this is the best option for gaming still. Paired the 560s with ifi zen dac V2.
@@manoli.160 me too mine is paired with the G6 & the GC7 really happy.
I did buy the HD490 plus but sent it back,love my 560S.
Just bought the 560s from Best buy Canada for $199. The DT1990Pro cost basically $1,000 Canadian dollars. I am sure they are amazing, but even if they would have been better in gaming. There is no way to justify 5x the cost for maybe slight improvement. But you said 560s was better for gaming. So good choice I guess. In reality it's not hard to see since Sennheiser is king when it comes to mid-range (not talking price but audio). The mids are the best. Beyerdynamics often have v-shaped sound. Of course not all cans they make. Still.
Finally a reviewer with some gunnie
Finally a reviewer who talks about his epxeriance with the products rather then putting Cringe thumbnails and either dislikes eerything or recommends everything he reviews. You earned my Sub brother.
Haha ty I appreciate that
@@FreshReviewsYT You are welcome. I just got the ZEn air can and was looking for a good dac to go with where I found your video about the ZEN Dac v2. Dio you ahve any other good Desktops only dac which I can use with it Thanks
Would you say the 560s are better than dt990 pros? I currently running the Dt990 Pros and wanting to see what the next upgrade could be if there is one?
Yes. 560s > dt990
@@FreshReviewsYT Thanks man, Is there anything you have found which are better than the 560s? Also amp recommendation?
You need to start a Patreon.
Surprising that the 560s rate so well when Sennheiser's have generally lackluster imaging and narrow soundstage.
You’re totally right. Many reviewers have indicated that the 560s are a big departure from this though. Less bass drop off and better imaging.
Very great review, as i was looking for an upgrade to my headphone(cloud alpha) that just doesn't cater to gamers but as someone who wanted to experience sound/music more, im glad I also seen this review that it can also give an advantage in imaging in games!
Your a legend! I've been on the same adventure for competitive fps. So far I've tried dt 900 prox
Astro a40 with mixamp
Dt 1990 pro
Hifiman edition xs
Steel series arctis pro.
Next I'll try the 560s. Gaming on pc for reference.
What do you think about the 900 pro x? Fresh reviews says it's better than the hd560s and 1990 pro
@@YTjuanchicod for my ears the 560s has way better detail and footsteps.
@@toolanddie9789 hey brother can i ask you if u use any eq or just default ? just got them(560s), the result is very pleasant but i am wondering if i will get any big benefit from eq!
I've had the dt1990 in my car for a long time. I own the dt990 pro and the cable is shorted so have been on the hunt. Agree with comments other reviewers don't go into depth with gaming as you did. You just helped me maked my choice. Thank you
I'm not sure if you'll reply but taking a chance. I just ordered the 80 ohms dt 990 pro and am curious if you ended up liking the hd560 s headphones more?
@@davisterisboss3387 using them right now. The sound stage is much better in my opinion. I've had them a little over a year and you can hea everything gaming wise. Sound wise for music and videos are great as well. I'm currently looking for IEM to try as these do get sweaty after long use.
@thebrickelshow5507 Im at the complete opposite of you 😆 I have some iems currently they are the linsoul kz zs10 pro x. They are rather decent for the price. I just miss having a headset. Iems tend to get in the way quite frequently even with an extension cable but have rather decent directional audio.
I just ordered a dac amp as I've been having a lot of issues with steelseries Sonar app so I'll be doing some more testing with the iems as well.
After a few hours of use your ears will start to ache. Just a heads up on that. Taking them off and putting them back on is a pain as well as you need to twist to fit everytime.
@@davisterisboss3387 that makes sense. I'm still gonna use the hd560s but gaming I wanted to try IEM seem to be alllll the rage. Ha. But I do love these hd560
@thebrickelshow5507 doesn't hurt to try right? Can always return them. I'll see how the dt 990 pros are as I already ordered them last night.
THANK YOU!
definitely helped me to choose these
Great Review. After my third “gaming headset” tore up and trying some expensive IEM’s I decided to go with just headphones and a stand alone mic. After reading reviews it basically came down to these two and I opted for the hd560s. 80% of my pc time is spent on competitive games so this hit all the questions I had and what I’m looking for out of my audio. Thanks
Did you buy the, and if so how are they for you
@@scruffayxd5593 I did go with the 560s and I’m very happy with them. I love the open back and how I can hear the room or noises in my house like if the door bell rang for instance. I can’t stand feeling like my head is in a can with the IEM’s but even the closed back headsets weren’t as bad if they had a pass through option. They are much lighter than I expected to so they don’t bother me at all gaming for long periods. The only thing left is the durability so will see if it holds up over time. But so far they are perfect for me for the price would recommend.
Genuinely curious what "gaming" headsets you went through. I personally have Steelseries arctis 7's that have been run through and am thinking about upgrading. Just worried it won't be big enough difference to justify them, although $200 isn't really that terrible.
I've had the DT1990s for a year or so. I picked up the 560s on Friday and played using them over the weekend. While I prefer the DT1990s a lot more, by a very wide margin, my takeaway was that if I was playing "competitively" (and by "competitively", I mean filthy casual stuff like The DZ in The Division 2, or free roam in GTAO), I'd probably use the 560s. However, if I wanted to savor/enjoy the game and It's audio, the DT1990 takes it hands down.
IMHO, the 560s is like a boneless, grilled chicken breast with a little pepper. The DT1990 is a delicious basket of chicken wings slathered in hearty, spicy wing sauce.
One is for keeping you alive and healthy (in PVP), and the other simply tastes (sounds) phenomenal. 😅
I think your analogy is pretty bad. Especially since 560's annihilate DT's in competitive aspect. You can make the bass a lot better on 560s, but by default it is flat for studio mixing. Benefit of this is it benefits competitive gaming not messing with EQ. Treble also helps with picking up things.
@kintsugi3932 My analogy is bad but you agree with it? I literally said that the 560s were better for competitive gaming...
thank you to your video I got me a 560S and OMG it is so good I can't put it down. SUB
Haha love it!
The HD 560S are magnificent!
Even for some music.
Agreed
@@FreshReviewsYT How can I get bigger soundstage on my 560s?
Earned a sub
Really great review thank you. I used to own the DT1990's but now use some Sennheiser HD800S as my main headphones. Funnily enough I used to love the DT1990's but since using the HD880S I went back and they didn't feel open-back, I know that sounds a bit weird but everything just felt muddy or muffled.
I'm actually looking for a spare headset to use with my laptop when I am away from home, didn't want to spend anything like I did on the HD800S lol.
So anyway I read a few good things about the HD560s and here I am, thanks for the comparison!
well yeah you're comparing a pair of headphones worth a few hundred to one worth over a thousand
@@MadGaming10 hd800s imaging is actually bad for gaming. Don’t make my mistake. It stretches shit so much u can’t tell positional audio it’s over rated. My Pc38x image better than my hd800s it’s kinda lol
So the 560s would be better than the 800s for Sound Whoring fps games ?@@Snook_
As a comp r6 player i will live and die by the grado hemps, the sound stage is much wider than anything i've ever tried (25+) , the bass is there but it is light and tight, the travels and mids make footsteps pronounced and you are able to pinpoint the enemies position, also the 9-10hz peak isn't that much of a issue, unless there are like extremely sharp s's. Also look into iems, the tin T2 are a good starting point, but soundstage is very overlooked in the iem market.
Have you tried Tin T2 in Siege?
@@zahitemremetin606 yeah
@@zahitemremetin606 for sige I would recommend the kz zsx tho
I've been using the HD 560S for siege and they are phenomenal. I have also used the TYGR 300R. The HarmonicDyne Zeus is amazing as well, it's just hard to buy. It's actually the first time I'm hearing about the Grade Hamps you just mentioned. Is there anyway you could compare them to the 560S?
Is it possible for you to make a video of only the pc38x for warzone directional audio? Footsteps
I want considering the 1990 pro as an upgrade for my HD560S but after this video I'm thinking I need to rethink my strategy..
Did you end up upgrading
I have the Sennheiser HD 560 s for my Xbox series X pair it up with a steelseries Gen 2 DAC amp. I am telling you right now in conjunction to the audio EQ tune for FPS and also my Dolby Atmos app on my Xbox that's also tuned. Two words. Wall-Hacks😊... would not have it any other way it is beautifully perfect..😊
You are making me want to cancel my PC38X order and pick up the 560s. The problem is with the 38x I won’t need an amp at all or a separate mic. I’m on the PS5.
I was almost buying the pc38x after watching a lot of reviews. After seeing his first comparison between the pc 38 and the hd560 I was sold. I personally play a lot of apex and the hd560s delivers perfectly. I’m playing directly in the controller and the sound is loud enough. I must say that i already ordered the steelseries dac to complete the setup for my ps5.
The HD660s could be better. It has very similar driver. I doubt it's worth paying double, but it's still cheaper than the dt1990.
What would be more interesting though, would be to find out how dependent on a good dac/amp the HD560s are. Maybe try a common behringer interface, the schiitt fulla 4 and the motu m2?
DT990 Pro 250 Ohms are an infallible footsteps detector, precise imaging and effective sound-stage but they need decent DAC/Amp. I use Mayflower ARC MK2 works wonders, but my ears gets tired for its treble.
I actually just got the 1990; do you think the JDs labs atom amp and dac is good enough? They can certainly drive my 6xx.
@@hagoromootsutski9058 just get a magni
This is the video I was looking for. I upgraded recently from the HyperX cloud II to the HyperX cloud alpha S, and was severely disappointed with the headset's ability to mix game and chat audio. I'm returning these and was thinking about the HyperX Orbit S (yes I'm a HyperX fanboy when it comes to how comfortable these headsets are) until I heard that you tried them and thought they were too strong in the bass. After watching both your headset videos, I'm sold on getting the 560S and picked up the HyperX solocast mic with boom arm altogether for the same price as the Orbit S. As a computer / gaming enthusiast, I really appreciate your competitive approach that a lot of RUclipsrs don't talk about. I play Apex as well and hit masters this season, and have always hated the audio in the game with my current setup. The way you talk about the directional audio coming from multiple directions and being able to hear them all at the same time made me feel like a little kid in a candy store, haha. No other RUclipsr talks about being able to differentiate and distinguish sounds when you have multiple audio sources at the same time. I just want to say Thank You for steering me in the right direction!
let me know how it goes! I am excited for you! HUGE upgrade
You need to make a comparison between Sennheiser HD 560S vs. Philips SHP9500 - I think it will get popular as hell. Nobody has really made a good comparison between the two in terms of FPS gaming. :) They seem both to be praised, but there has got to be winner, right? I hope you can point one of them out from your perspective :D
The shp has bad imaging compared to the senn 560S
Currently embarking on the same journey myself! I'm diving down the rabbit hole and from what I've been able to determine, if you like Sennheiser, it would only be logical to suggest the HD800S as the ULTIMATE headset and the Mass Drop 58X and 6XX at alternatives at a killer value. Other things that come to mind are the AKG K812 which is revered for it's imaging, the Koss ESP 950 Electrostatic or a planar such as the Hifiman HE400s for their accuracy and speed, or something SPECIFICALLY tuned for gaming by a company that actually knows what they're doing such as the Audeze LCD-GX or Beyerdynamic TYGR 300R.
HD800s are insanely good.
58x and 6xx are great music headphones... the 6xx is NOT for gaming. The soundstage is terrible for gaming but awesome for music. The 58x is better, but not that much better. The pc38x kick it's butt. I have all of these headphones except the 560s. I also have the tygr 300r's, akg 7xx, Sivga p-II. The pc38x is better than all of them for gaming. The tygr's are great music headphones, decent gaming, but they are more fun than accurate and you have to really crank them up to hear footsteps compared to the pc38x and the pc38x is much better for fps games.
Thank you so much. I got the DT 990 Pro but wanted something more comfortable and performed better!
The 990s are more comfortable than either of these, if purely after comfort
@@mbj920 I like the 560s more. I find the 990 pro too strong of a clamping force
@@h4m2_ oh yes that is what I have heard. I have the 770s and wow it really hurt my head initially for many weeks but they’re fantastic now and I believe the same would be with your 990s. Beyond comfort wise, which sound did you prefer out of the two as I’ll be looking into trying open backs? Thanks
@@mbj920 so I had the 990s for a few months and I still feel like this kinda tight compared to the 560s. I am a gamer so I prefer footsteps in the 560s. In terms of music I can't say tbh they have their own signature sound however pretty similar. I find the 560s more comfortable as you can also detach the cable whereas the 990 has cables which if pulled can break the headphones.
@@h4m2_ I'm a gamer too and I've heard wonders about the sound space and footstep tracking on the 990s but i'll have to look into the 560s
I would like to know your opinion on the hd 560s vs hd 660s, im on the fence on getting the 560s or waiting to get an "end game" mid to high range headphone, i plan on pairing it with the Ifi zen dac v2 and can stack but will start with the zen dac v2 and use my current epos h6 pro even tho they are easy to drive headphones
Fantastic video! Exactly what I've been looking for in terms of a great high tier gaming experience from the hd560s (mainly regarding clarity, Soundstage and imaging). I see you have a specific dac/amp you use and another cheaper one you recommended down below as well. I was curious what benefits these dac/amps provide for the hd560s specifically (regarding the same qualities listed before). I don't fully understand their functionally but I do know that the impedance of hd560s is 120ohm which I've read isn't very difficult to drive/power effectively. Overall what major benefits would be provided by using an external dac/amp let alone one more expensive (like the ones you use/listed) compared to the base motherboard option. Once again loved the video, and will be definitely checking out more on the channel! Also the motherboard I have the aorus elite x570, so nothing special but still a relatively new mid range board (2019-2020 I think, roughly around 200-250 dollars).
Hey man a great covered and high detailed review 👍 you should try out the hifiman 5xx drop for a comparison 👍
out of curiosity what audio option were you using in warzone when testing the 560's (high or low boost) ?
Would also like to know lol.
This is a late comment but try boost low. I’ve found footsteps are very clear
low or studio
I stumbled upon your channel recently and just wanted to say you've done great reviews and I really like this competitive audio series! I've been on a similar quest over the past couple of years and tried many of the same headphones (including the HD800s) you have and reached similar conclusions. I do have a question for you on this one - When you tested the 1990s were you using the balanced or analytical ear pads? Balanced pads are on by default, and they have more bass than the analytical pair. I'd be curious to know your thoughts on the analytical pads and potentially the aftermarket Dekoni Elite Velour which are a well-regarded pair of aftermarkets that sound great on the 1990s as well.
Ty!! I tested both pads but I’ve given good thought in buying them again and testing them with dekoni pads
@@FreshReviewsYT Ah ok. In that case, were you thinking the 1990s also had a bit too much bass to pick out lots of audio cues at once, even with the analytical pads on? Looking forward to your next videos :)
Could you compare the 560s to the beyerdynamic tygr 300r or the HiFiman Sundara for hearing footsteps in warzone
This is what I want to know since its around the same price as the 560s.
@@ippothedestroyer I have both tygr 300 and dt 990. I'm about to get 1990 soon but I prefer 990 over the tygr cause it sounds more clear and I can pinpoint where people were. Tygr had too much bass for me and it seemed to drown out the treble I don't know. But I prefer 990
@@fitfrek Hmm that is very weird for beyer to call the tygr 300r a gaming headphone. I have a dt 1990, its a very good headphone, very clear. Its great in tarkov.
@@ippothedestroyer I have sundaras and 560s. Go with 560s, the imaging is pin point accurate. I do tend to enjoy the sundaras more for non competitive gaming though. But the 560s is still a great gaming headset just be warned they're very accurate to its source and certain games can be poorly mixed and have way too much emphasis in the treble (probably sound designed for console gaming). In those cases the 560s can sound painful, examples: horizon zero dawn, ori and the will of the wisps. The sundaras have a much smoother high end and can bring down some of the harshness from poorly mixed games. You could also pair the 560s with a hybrid tube amp to smooth out that treble and keep a clean signal.
Lol those kids got turned into a meme. Nice reviews!
So i went ahead and got the 560's and the DT 900 Pro X played with both for two weeks and sent the 560's back . The new DT 900 Pro X are amazing
They’re great
Also for competitive gaming?
@@YTjuanchicod 100% yes
Can you please do a DT 900 Pro x vs HD 560S? Apparently the Pro X has better sound positioning/directional audio & accuracy so im hoping its even better for esports/comp
For Warzone I like the TYGR. I pick up footstep and loot box direction and vertically better and sooner than my PC38X
The 560s is better.
@@shaolin95 why?
@Fresh Reviews hey dude! First of all, thanks for the videos, amazing content!
Hd560s and dt900 pro have a huge difference or doesnt worth the money dif?
Two things that may affect this review.
1. You should use the 'analytical' earpads that come with the DT1990 if the sound is too bassy. The 'balanced' earpads have a bass bump.
2. The DT1990 likes a good quality DAC and headphone amplifier. This will give better separation between left-right amongst other improvements.
The HD560s may still win despite this, I don't know. But the above can make a difference.
Updated review coming by this weekend
For competitive Gaming the Sennheiser might be slightly better than the 1990’s. For music and other games the 1990 are way better in my opinion! Way better, more exciting and deeper sound. Especially on techno, house, hiphop and music with some bass in it.
@@jimrobbe390 agreed
I wish you had objective testing with some kind of blinded aiming test!
Ordered 1990 recently and was disappointed. There's significant rumble in right earcup in the lower frequencies. Before that I was using 990 for a long time, and there were no problems. So eventually I had to order Sennheiser 660S2. It's totally impossible to work with this rumble with 1990
Thanks for this excellent review, i was on the fence between the Hifiman Sundara vs Tygr 300r and now i see this.. i want them to play Escape From Tarkov which i really need those Cues your talking about to know where exactly are my oponents and how far. Did you try the Sundaras before?
I haven’t but I did try the he400i
@@FreshReviewsYT if you can, try to test out the Sundaras, because from what i heard it has better imaging and soundstage than the 560s, but of course its not tested over fps games, just music.
Also it could be a really nice 1vs1 with the Sundaras vs 560s for a new video
I have 560s. Have tried Fidelio x3, Sundara, k712, DT 1990 Pro, Amiron Home, Lcd1. All using Creative g6 7.1 on PC
The 560s is great for competitive gaming, but my god I find them boring. They lack energy and aren't as clean sounding as i like.
The Sundaras are probably the best headphones I have heard but build quality, weight and clamping force made me return them. Great soundstage and detail monsters. Imaging was decent.
I found DT 1990 pro with A pads and a slight EQ down at 8khz to be pretty amazing. I find their soundstage to be the most natural sounding. They have exceptional imaging as well. No issue telling where people were coming from. Clean. My only issue was their weight as well. I returned because of this but may buy again.
Forget PC38x garbage. Cheap build, narrow soundstage (3 blob effect) and insane clamp pressure.
which had the best imaging out of all of them?
which?
I've tried the pc38x, 560s and sundara. I totally agree with this guy. Pc38x sound awful and feel too closed in for "open back"sundara sounded slightly better in imaging, resolution. And maybe, a tiny bit better in Soundstage. Was it 150$ better? not quite. and the Quality control is what made me return them, Mines came with one side screw already coming undone and since I've heard of the bad quality control. I returned them. Not gonna pay 150$ for way worse quality control (specifically and in manufacturing, build defects) and barely noticeable improvement in audio.
In short they sound great, and for sure worth 350$ but hd560s are really killer for 200$ with out the quality control issues.
What about the K712 and Fidelio??
Amazing honest reviews and content! Happy to have come across your work definitely receiving a sub and thumbs up!
I just had one question. In terms of dac/amp is there any really good recently new ones worth picking up with these for best bang for my buck or should I just go with the one you have picked out? Thank you!
Thank you so much! The ifi zen dac v2 is a great option, as well as the schiit fulla and hel
@@FreshReviewsYT Thank you for such quick response! Was just watching a video on the ifi zen dac v2 and I think im going to pull the trigger on it now! Love your work keep it up!
@@Zalsting tyvm!!
I was in a doubt which one to buy 560s's or dt 770 pro , well after this review I think I will stick with the 560s's
I'm curious what headphone amp you're using. I really don't have a dog in the fight, but its possible that the soundstage and presentation is a bit weak if you're plugging directly into your computer.
Both of these could benefit from a basic headphone amp like the schitt fulla 4, and that may account for some of the difference.
Great review! Do you need do to any tweaking within the OS to get the sound working properly as you describe it, or is it just working out-of-the-box?
Out of the box. I don’t use any spatial audio settings in windows
I currently have the hyperx cloud IIs with the 3.5 to USB dac that comes with it. Ive been considering trying an open-back headset for Hunt Showdown; its a cytek game that uses stereo sound. I think I hear well with the current closed back set. However Ive got 125$ gift card and thought maybe ill put it towards a second option for when the wife isn't in the same room ( So I don't drive her Crazy) and try open-back out. Ive got a blue mic so the PC gaming version isn't ness. But this version is on sale at my local Guitar center. Would the 560s be an upgrade just plugged into my cloud II dac? or should I not waste the money?
I’m thinking you probably wouldn’t get enough volume through the usb dac. Might be worth a try, but I don’t think it would fly
Great vid,helped me to pick the 560S,which mod mic is that on the 560S
Thanks for the review! I have been using it for 2 days now in combination with a Steelseries Gamedac on PS5 and am verry satisfied. My only problem is the 2.5 mm audio jack. I have orderd a new one from Ugreen, and am going to buy the Boom Mic from Beyerdynamic. So I have to modify it a little to turn it in to a headset. What mic are you using? Thanks in advance.
I’m using an all in one ablet boom mic from amazon. It’s a 2.5 mm cable and works great!
www.amazon.com/dp/B07W1G95PH/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_DVZ82BSJCQV791T91TEC?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
@@FreshReviewsYT Thanks for this bro!! it fits well dang!! hope i see this sooner!!
gadly i'm just started getting into this audio thing and holy crap there's so many options idk what to get. I was about to get the PC38x and then I saw the tygr 300r and then this 560s. I only have money for one lol. This is starting to feel like the keyboard rabbit hole, idk which I should go with. I mostly play fps and sometimes sp games and watching movie is my thing too. Out of these three which one would you highly recommend?
For all three of those purposes I’d probably go with the tygr. A little more bass for movies and single player games
Just got mine, play Warzone, with autoEQ 560S sounds very good!
I am considering upgrading my headset. At the moment, I own the Beyerdynamic DT 990 Edition 250 ohms running them with the FiiO K5 Pro, but they are lacking a bit in gaming, possibly because of the high treble or something. Been interested in the DT 1990 Pro. Would I see any difference between the two, as my primary use case will be gaming. I used to have Sennheiser HD 558, but I didn't really like them. Thanks!
Try the new sennheiser 490 pro!
Great video , thanks for the comparaison. Still, would you recommend hd560s over hd58x ?
Haven’t tried the 58x
Is that a vmod boom pro attached to the 560s at the end of the video? A great review as it was based on your gaming experience. Am looking into the 560s or SHP9600 as a replacement to my old headset. I am no pro gamer but just wanted to try something better from my previous one.
Late but from the description, it's the Ablet mic. HD560s have a locking 2.5mm port which the Ablet supports. The SHP9500 will work with the v-moda directly (but the v-moda will not work with the HD560s without a proper adapter)
Brilliant comparison!
Can you compare the hd560s with the Takstar hd2050 (or his clone, the isk hi2010) and the Takstar pro 82?
The hd2050 are the open back version of the Takstar Pro 80 which is the model from which the hyperX cloud 2 were based on.
The takstar Pro 82 is the model from which the cooler master mh751/mh752's where based on.
They are both very affordable headphones with amazing build quality and great sound.
I think they diserve more attention.
I own both and I was thinking about getting the hd560s but don't know if that's going to be an upgrade or I'm going to be disappointed.
I play on consoles exclusively, do you think the hd560's are going to work well plugged to the controller, or they need an amp?
Thanks for the amazing comparisons. 🙏
Great comparison! How would the HD560S compare to DT770 Pro? I have the Tygr 300R AutoEQ'd, but my friend with the ATH-M50x hears footsteps further away much earlier than I do. Would getting the HD560S or DT770 be an improvement?
(Understand open vs closed back, but interested in performance in the above situation)
Thanks!
For anyone that’s interested, I purchased the 560S and they do have better separation and clarity than the TYGR 300R - tested only on Hunt: Showdown. The difference isn’t massive but it’s there. Having a flat signature makes a positive impact on clarity especially with a ton of overlapping noise at different frequencies - doesn’t get muddled. However the vertical positioning - while decent, doesn’t beat the TYGR 300R (e.g. whether sounds are coming from above/below/same level). I miss the Tygr’s accurate positioning in some situations. If only I could quickly swap back and forth 😊
My very broad ratings - based on my 2 key considerations in Hunt: Showdown (competitive FPS) -
HD 560S: Excellent separation and clarity (5/5). Good positional/directional audio (4/5).
TYGR 300R: Excellent positional/directional audio (5/5). Good separation and clarity (4/5).
Btw for those unaware, this game is renowned for its audio detail, among other things.
Thanks for your comments, I’m actually deciding in between both of these headphones right now. I’ve ordered both to try them out. Do you run a DAC/AMP, and if so which one? I’m struggling to pick those right now.
I use the FiiO BTR5 (2021). I find I need to turn up the volume when using the TYGRs, so yea definitely get the DAC/AMP if you decide on these.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the comparison after you get the headsets!
Hey Fresh! After watching your videos, I bought this ABLET Boom microphone cable along with the Sennheiser HD560s. Any recommendations for a dac amp that will work for this mic cable? I'm also a competitive FPS player looking for a good dac amp or gaming sound card. Many thanks.
The mayflower arc mk2 was what I used at the time
Did you experience any fatigue because of treble/ bright sound stage in game on the 560s or no?
(and if so is it better with the 900 pro x?)
Not really related to the headphones but how do you find the mic quality to be. For me using it in discord it is fine because discord filters out the buzzing somehow but if I clip using shadowplay or medal the buzzing noise can be heard. I don't know if it is a problem with my amp/dac or if it is just how the microphone is?
Do you have an eq going for the dt1990? Is powered by a dedicated amp? The v shaped signature sounds very unusual for them.
No eq. I only used the mayflower arc mk2.
Hey bud I didn’t realize you had a newer video so sorry if you see this comment twice in the same day but do you recommend these 560s on ps5? I’m literally gonna buy them tomorrow for it if you think it would be a good fit: I’m rocking 7P+ at the moment and yea well that’s all I gotta say about that!
hello, I want to buy hd 560s, will relatives hear the sound from the headphones, they are open type. And more interestingly, the microphone will pick up sound from the speakers? I liked your review.
Aye bro solid af! yet to find a reviewer that mentions warzone specifically and how its requires something completely differant compared to other fps titles. having a really hard time choosing between the astro a40, steelseries arctis pro and logitech g pro x. i dont wanna get a gaming headset personally but there alot less hassle. do any of these come close to the footstep clarity of the 560s? if not what others would you recommend on top of the 560s? good work again bro
Thanks so much. I think the Logitech g pro x are the best out of the bunch you listed. I’ve tried all of them and I find them to be slightly a better all around package. The problem though is none of them do a very good job keeping footsteps clean while bassy sounds are going off. The pc38x is a solid option for the price and they’re an all around package with the mic included. Even the razer black shark v2 is a fairly good option. I liked it a bit more than the Logitech except for build quality. I found myself saying, more times than not, “wow no footsteps???” When dying with those headsets. The audio technica AD700x are really really good at around 100$ but they can be a little fatiguing with the treble. Really good for positional audio though
@@FreshReviewsYT far out man thanks heaps! Yeah i really would like the best of the best if i could. Can you think of any others that come close to the sound signature of the 560s incase i cant get them cheap enough in Australia or would you say there the best of the best? and would you say open back is preferable? I tried the dt 990s with the sound blasterx g6 and although the game did feel more immersive footsteps were kinda all over the place and i had to stop as ears were ringings for a good day after using them. Not sure if im sensitive or if its the amp or if i just didnt set them up right but i felt my shitty 20$ jbl close backs with windows sonic surround were better for footsteps. Pretty gutted. If the amp is the main problem what would be your go to? Ive heard good things about the evga nu sound card which i think is a dac amp just internal. In short aha your best combo you can think of for wallhack like clarity on warzone and do you just leave on stereo or is it better to eq and add 7.1/5.1/dolby atmos. Sorry for all the questions man but cant think of a better dude to ask.🤙🏽
have you tried dt 990 pro
tygr 300 r ?
how would you compare the 560s to those
Have not tried tygr. But they’re better than the 990s for sure
great comparison! Just curious, did you use the balanced or analytical pads on the dt1990’s?
Actually tried both pads!
Hi Fresh! After your review, I bought the hd560s with the Sharkoon DAC pro s. The Music experience is on another level than my hyperx cloud 2. But I'm not used to the gaming sound experience. Everything sounds "spacial" and Im not sure if thats what I was looking for. Do I have to use these for like atleast 2 weeks to be able to completely enjoy them while playing games? Are other "open back headphones" any different from these? Hoping for your reply!
I haven’t used a sharkon, but it will take time for your ears to adjust to how the sound cues sound and feel
Hi, I'm currently running Audeze Mobius with Sound Blasterx G6 (saw you own one in another video) and found out that it's hard to tell if the footsteps is above or below me in Warzone. Wondering if HD 560S with Sound Blasterx G6 will have improvements on that department or not. Thank you!
Great video though. Subscribed
Thank you! And yes you should get a noticeable imaging improvement in game
Now, time to get serious; 560 vs 660 vs Edition XS. ;) XS has INCREDIBLE technical performance(especially for only $500), but is a touch too bright for me. LOVE 660 for FPS.
I’ll have to check out the XS. The 660s aren’t for me
Just bought a pair for $155. Are you using a dac with these? I have never purchased any sort of open back headphones let alone audiophile headphones. So this one will be my first. I play warzone comp too so hoping to bring that 3KD to 4KD soon!
haha let's goooooo. I do use an amp/dac combo on my desk. The ifi zen dac v2 is a good option if on a budget or the schiit fulla / hel
Are you going to review the VZR Model One and the Audeze Maxwell? Please do! 🙏
Hi guys great video ! I am gaming with my CA Andromedas which are great for stereo imaging but not for gaming ( vertical ). I have used my Meze Empyrean but need to drive them with hugo 2 which works well but not brilliantly so I am wondering how you think these would compare to eg hd 600, DT 900 pro x or AT AtH70x? Mostly for cs2, tarkov, insurgent sandstorm. Any ideas ?
Hi, this is off the topic of this video but I need your opinion on the choice. I got the FiiO Q3 on sale and I'm going to use it for a while with the Superlux HD681. I can't decide which model I should get for a headphone upgrade. I'm torn between the Sennheiser HD560S and HD58X. Do you think these models are a good upgrade compared to the Superlux? Since I listen to a lot of different genres of music, I don't like headphones that are too prominent in a certain tone, that have a V-Shape with too much treble and bass, that have a muddy or harsh sound. What's important to me is that the sound is close to flat, with high resolution and a wide stage. The FiiO Q3 is said to have a warm sound. Which model do you think I would get a better sound with? What would be your personal preference in this case. I would appreciate your answer, thanks in advance.
very good video. this cable with microphone, where did you buy it?
Amazon. It’s an ABLET boom mic cable for sennheiser
I have a sound blaster x g6 and an audio technica ath-g1. While i really do like it. I do miss the clarity of open backs. I previously had a ath-adg1x but hated the wing design.
Do you think the g6 will give me the desired clarity paired with the 560s?
I think thats kind of the only thing holding me back right now.
Great informative vids from a gamers point of view. Wish there was more vids like this. Keep up the great work.
Thanks! The G6 should be sufficient with these. Worst case scenario, I would try to EQ down some of the bass if the bass comes through heavy. My experience with the G6 was the bass always sounded a little more powerful. You should be set though!
@@FreshReviewsYT thanks for the response, i shall now be going ahead and purchasing :D
@@petera1556 let me know how it is!
I own the Dt1990 and run them from a Topping amp. I use them for all games single player and competitive currently and my biggest take away was the front and back. I agreed with your statement that they tend to blur together. However I found separation of sounds was great. Battlefield in particular I could hear all my team mates all the enemies all the vehicles and shouting and such. But I found the weakness in distance. I'd hear things from far away and close but struggled figuring out how far they were from me. I have ordered the HD560s to see the comparison for myself.
How did it it go??
@@primemachine146 Sound staging and imagining are top notch. Great for competitive shooters. However the sound quality was a rough step down from the DT1990. But it’s a $900 headphone compared to a $250 one. They should sound better. But pure gaming the Sens win. Not by much but they do win. I’m currently using Hifiman Ananadas. Same imaging quality as the Sens and sound staging is even better with the quality of sound in the DT1990s.
@@dustinmihalcheon5013 So Hifiman Anandas are better than HD560s when gaming? I've also heard rumors that Anandas are hard to drive. Do my Motu M2 headphone output have enough power to drive them? looking 4 your reply bro.
@@huangelliot5601 They seemed just as good of not better at imaging direction and distance as the 560S. Sound staging is around the same. Height imaging (above and below you) is better probably due to the size of the drivers. And the audio quality is just hands down better. Now that I have had them for awhile the bass is better as well. Fuller and deeper without being over done for hearing detail. And honestly of all the high end headphones I have had (anywhere from 300 to 1600 Canadian) they were among the easiest to drive. You should be fine. The OG non stealth Hifiman Aryas are power hungry though but double the price. If you have the money to throw at a gaming headset these are the best I have heard for the price range and above. And that incudes Audeze LCD Xs and Beyer DT1990s. My only quip is even though they include two cables (3.5 mm and 1/4 inch) they seem kinda cheap for an expensive set of headphones.
@@dustinmihalcheon5013 Hey man! I've got the 990 pros and I've had them for a few years, I was thinking of switching them up with a 1190 or 900 X or HD 560S, what would you pick? Number one thing for me is comfort and 990 pros have been pretty good at it!
I've tried the DT 1990 PRO a few years back, I found the sound signature was too harsh to me. What amp/dac do you recommend for my AKG712 PRO. Currently using a Mayflower ARC MK1.
I recommend you something like asgard 3 and modi 3+, but stuff like dx3pro+ is nice too
Do you have any experience or thoughts about the Beyer 1770's? They are supposed to be painfully clinical to listen to music.
Haven’t tried them yet but might give them a go
560s is the second best for me, after a long gaming headphone seek. hyperX Orbit (same as audeze mobius) is still the number one.
I like the orbit as well. Fun bass
But Orbit is heavy bro
DT990 Pro or HD560S? For competitive gaming like Siege and Valorant? Which one you prefer?
Hey man! Found this video while searching for a mic for my 560s. Just curious if you feel like that ablet boom Mic lowers your audio quality at all...or has the potential to? I'm not too spun up on audio technology...thanks!
Hey did you find a mic,I'm in the same boat.
Recently upgraded from 990pros to the 1990 pros.. curious to know whether you managed to do an updated review with the dekoni pads. I haven’t tried the 1990s yet but after watching your videos I am wondering whether I should order another set of headphones, what is your current end game set? Obviously the hd800s would be great but a little out of my budget
The 1990s are very good. I liked the fenestrated sheepskin ear cups
@@FreshReviewsYT Did you ever try the analytical stock pads on the 1990s? Heard they are the best for competitive FPS.