I am so very thankful for the Tanners work and especially for Sandra who spoke to me on the phone and gave me access to books and information that was only available from the Tanners. They are such a blessing to millions who have been touched by their research and willingness to share their information with all of us. It’s been decades and their research still stands. I’m sorry that Gerald is gone, but still love Sandra for helping me out if this church.
Wonderful conversation. You all were sensational. In my friendship with Quinn, I never asked if he was Dr. Clandestine. I knew he would deny it and didn't want to make him lie.
I love how I deeply resented having to learn about church history as a child and adolescent, and now I actively choose to listen to LDS history and doctrinal deep dives for my own entertainment as an ex mo.
What an awesome episode, so many characters. And as never-mo I watch every episode, all the way through, with Sandra Tanner. She has had such an amazing life. Thank you John for making this podcast happened.
Wow! My second time reviewing this fantastic interview. John, this is over the top ..I know Sandra is “seasoned” on this venue. Absolutely love this lady. The panel is on point. Thank you.
Seriously, Loved this panel on this discussion! Revealing as to the intentions of the leaders of Mormonism! I'm still learning as I go, which takes me back years ago, as I was a convert to the LDS church! I'm blown away!
I am in the same messed up state of mind. I’m so scared to come completely out and let people know that I’ve figured out what a big fat lie the Mormon church is. I’m always so impressed when people are just brave and tell it like it is. I am trying so hard to get past this!
Like you, thirty years ago I felt just like that. It is so freeing to walk away. I found such supportive people, new friends, even a husband who still loves me after all these years outside the church. I also found the grace and mercy of the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
I can tell you... You will feel so lonely and people may say you are deceived but I really think this church is headed for a schism now with the Ensign Peak fine debacle... As it is said “if you see something, say something “ . LET TRUTH PREVAIL!!! Christ is revealing who the leaders truly serve!!!
@@danaleedavis9144 I wish I could say I was doing better! Still scared to come fully out but I’m doing little but super brave things like going to a small family gathering in cap sleeved shirt or more gauzy type shirts so you can tell I’m not wearing garments. (How bizarre this must seem to a never Mormon lol)
I'm sorry to say, I'm one who tarred and featured the Tanners for years. Until we had my eyes opened and our trainwreck. Now, trying to rebuild our lives, we've been to her home and visited her. We bought $350 dollars worth of their books in about October of 22. Even got our picture taken with Sandra, after telling her how I used to tar and feather her. She's really nice. She just laughed and said, "I've been told that hundreds of times." :-) We all had a good laugh. What a lady.
I am not a Mormon but I grew up catholic & had Mormon friends. One time I went to a Mormon dance with a nose ring in! It's so interesting to learn about the history of modern religions. I feel fortunate to be educated enough to see the depth of these topics and how important they are.
Unfortunately, one of my ancestors was the main bad guy at the Mountain Meadows Massacre. The last name was Lee. A longtime family name derived from the original Leigh. It was my grandfather’s middle name. And mine, to honor my gentle “Baba.” Many of my forebears are bad guys, and many are very good guys!! I guess we are pretty much like any human family. It’s just a drag, especially in this terrible case. My Mr. Lee was the only person charged, found guilty and hung for his part. Justly so. I’m so, so sorry. John, great show. Lots of the best minds on your panel today! Thank you for your show and for all your hard work. 🙏🏻✌🏽
I think we have spoke before. One of mine was also one of the main baddies, and our family kept it secret for years. I uncovered the secret because the date Ira Allen left Cedar City, and resettled and founded Hyrum Utah was after the MMM. That led me to a deeper dive that uncovered lots of unsettling facts.
It says that they know that their Mormon Church, despite its many good works, is a house of cards. The more the untruthful cards are exposed and removed from the supporting structure by historical research, the closer the entire colossus comes to total collapse!
Sometimes I was a little rebellious on my mission. I saw the Tanners on my mission. Members saw me at the anti-Mormon gathering and told my mission President. LOL The "scolding" I got was worth it.
I recently bought “The New Mormon History , Revisionist Essays on the Past” by D. Michael Quinn. 1992 The first one was fromLeonard Arrington,”The Search for Truth and Meaning in Mormon History “.
Again, this is one of those cases where the more you ascend in the church hierarchy, the more you have to become part of the lie. Hearing from that bishop in Mexico was fantastic but I also think it's a drop in the bucket of things the church has asked people to lie about to make the church look better.
In my view, suppressing any information or intentionally allowing members to spend their entire lives, believing an inaccurate version of church history automatically disqualifies a man from prophet status. It also places them in the category of liar and deceiver. And it could be argued idolater because it shows his heart is placed firmly on the church rather than God or truth.
I was thinking that it was the draft of Vol 1 of the planned sixteen volume set that was Arrington's demise. If I remember correctly, once the Q15 read Vol 1 that was the last straw.
My thought come to Dr. Walter Martin he must be jumping and leaping in heaven ( He wrote about all cults ) he died on knees praying for the cults ! Still miss his wisdom as a man of God , and knowledge of Holy Bible !
Sad Jesus Christ is a personable savior , and awesome, not man , so sweet , sweet knowing him , direction seventy four years , as a small child two and three year old ,on on on on on on on on just my life!
Ñone of this makes sense. Where's the context? What event are you all talking about? Why does this have value to anyone? It seems like people are quibbling about who gets credit for unearthing some alleged important information. WHAT IS THE ACTUAL INFORMATION!? If there is no clarity about your info and what the point is, who cares?
I am so very thankful for the Tanners work and especially for Sandra who spoke to me on the phone and gave me access to books and information that was only available from the Tanners. They are such a blessing to millions who have been touched by their research and willingness to share their information with all of us. It’s been decades and their research still stands. I’m sorry that Gerald is gone, but still love Sandra for helping me out if this church.
Wonderful conversation. You all were sensational. In my friendship with Quinn, I never asked if he was Dr. Clandestine. I knew he would deny it and didn't want to make him lie.
I love how I deeply resented having to learn about church history as a child and adolescent, and now I actively choose to listen to LDS history and doctrinal deep dives for my own entertainment as an ex mo.
Kudos!👏 It is incumbent upon each individual to question all things, investigate, and search for truth.
sounds like what the Buddha said; I love the Tanners 💗💓
A new motto for Mormon Stories! “Open the story! Open the books!” Thanks, Sandra Tanner! ❤
What an awesome episode, so many characters. And as never-mo I watch every episode, all the way through, with Sandra Tanner. She has had such an amazing life. Thank you John for making this podcast happened.
I love Sandra! She and Jerald brought so much to the exmo community!
Wow! My second time reviewing this fantastic interview. John, this is over the top ..I know Sandra is “seasoned” on this venue. Absolutely love this lady. The panel is on point. Thank you.
Seriously, Loved this panel on this discussion! Revealing as to the intentions of the leaders of Mormonism! I'm still learning as I go, which takes me back years ago, as I was a convert to the LDS church! I'm blown away!
I am in the same messed up state of mind. I’m so scared to come completely out and let people know that I’ve figured out what a big fat lie the Mormon church is. I’m always so impressed when people are just brave and tell it like it is. I am trying so hard to get past this!
Like you, thirty years ago I felt just like that. It is so freeing to walk away. I found such supportive people, new friends, even a husband who still loves me after all these years outside the church. I also found the grace and mercy of the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
I can tell you... You will feel so lonely and people may say you are deceived but I really think this church is headed for a schism now with the Ensign Peak fine debacle... As it is said “if you see something, say something “ .
LET TRUTH PREVAIL!!!
Christ is revealing who the leaders truly serve!!!
@@Themanyfacesofego There is wisdom in this strategy.
I am currently going through this. How are you doing with it 5 months later?
@@danaleedavis9144 I wish I could say I was doing better! Still scared to come fully out but I’m doing little but super brave things like going to a small family gathering in cap sleeved shirt or more gauzy type shirts so you can tell I’m not wearing garments. (How bizarre this must seem to a never Mormon lol)
I'm sorry to say, I'm one who tarred and featured the Tanners for years. Until we had my eyes opened and our trainwreck. Now, trying to rebuild our lives, we've been to her home and visited her. We bought $350 dollars worth of their books in about October of 22. Even got our picture taken with Sandra, after telling her how I used to tar and feather her. She's really nice. She just laughed and said, "I've been told that hundreds of times." :-) We all had a good laugh. What a lady.
For those of us who lived through these times, it's a fascinating story. Amazing podcast.
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave ... "
I am not a Mormon but I grew up catholic & had Mormon friends. One time I went to a Mormon dance with a nose ring in! It's so interesting to learn about the history of modern religions. I feel fortunate to be educated enough to see the depth of these topics and how important they are.
Unfortunately, one of my ancestors was the main bad guy at the Mountain Meadows Massacre. The last name was Lee. A longtime family name derived from the original Leigh. It was my grandfather’s middle name. And mine, to honor my gentle “Baba.” Many of my forebears are bad guys, and many are very good guys!! I guess we are pretty much like any human family. It’s just a drag, especially in this terrible case. My Mr. Lee was the only person charged, found guilty and hung for his part. Justly so. I’m so, so sorry. John, great show. Lots of the best minds on your panel today! Thank you for your show and for all your hard work. 🙏🏻✌🏽
I think we have spoke before. One of mine was also one of the main baddies, and our family kept it secret for years. I uncovered the secret because the date Ira Allen left Cedar City, and resettled and founded Hyrum Utah was after the MMM. That led me to a deeper dive that uncovered lots of unsettling facts.
🎵Reading church history by D. Michael Quinn, these are a few of my favorite sins!🎵
That was the version of Shadow or Reality I had! Changed my life ❤
I read Ronald's book last week and it was fascinating!
What does it say when serious church scholars are terrified to bring forth the truth that they uncover???
It says “cult”?
It says that they know that their Mormon Church, despite its many good works, is a house of cards. The more the untruthful cards are exposed and removed from the supporting structure by historical research, the closer the entire colossus comes to total collapse!
Volumes.
(Excuse the pun.)
Looking forward to that book on MMM. I am part of the Haight family and feel a deep sense of it's impact
Amazing episode!! It is always great to see Sandra Tanner.
Goodness this is like a cold war mystery thriller! So exciting makes this all so real!
Great discussion.
Wonderful, thank you!
Our pleasure!
Sometimes I was a little rebellious on my mission. I saw the Tanners on my mission. Members saw me at the anti-Mormon gathering and told my mission President. LOL The "scolding" I got was worth it.
I recently bought “The New Mormon
History , Revisionist Essays on the Past” by D. Michael Quinn. 1992 The first one was fromLeonard Arrington,”The Search for Truth and Meaning in Mormon History “.
And of course Boyd K Packer was all about Hiding Truth that was not faith promoting
Again, this is one of those cases where the more you ascend in the church hierarchy, the more you have to become part of the lie.
Hearing from that bishop in Mexico was fantastic but I also think it's a drop in the bucket of things the church has asked people to lie about to make the church look better.
Sent an email request for the link to the PDF.
Thank you in advance.
More, please!!! 😁
2 minutes in and I'm already laughing. Love Sandra Tanner!
Link to the PDF please.
In my view, suppressing any information or intentionally allowing members to spend their entire lives, believing an inaccurate version of church history automatically disqualifies a man from prophet status. It also places them in the category of liar and deceiver. And it could be argued idolater because it shows his heart is placed firmly on the church rather than God or truth.
WELL SAID!! After 65 years, I am dealing with the betrayal from the leadership and literature.
Thank you. Watching from Alaska.
I'm from Alaska! I was raised there! Stay warm! Hugs! 🌲🐻😎❤️
What is the symposia mentioned at 1:25? I cannot understand what is said. I would like to research it. I have not been able to locate it.
I was thinking that it was the draft of Vol 1 of the planned sixteen volume set that was Arrington's demise. If I remember correctly, once the Q15 read Vol 1 that was the last straw.
Spies in the church, reporting back to apostles Benson, Packer and Peterson?? That is just so disturbing!! “By their fruits shall ye know them”
Half-truth
Half-lie
Half the price...... 🙄
Signature Books, 300 pages
My thought come to Dr. Walter Martin he must be jumping and leaping in heaven ( He wrote about all cults ) he died on knees praying for the cults ! Still miss his wisdom as a man of God , and knowledge of Holy Bible !
You can't call Magical World View from Quinn an apologetic work.
Sold their birthright for a pot of stew. It's a reference to Jacob and Edau
It is March 8 2022
@@Themanyfacesofego thankyou
Bought on Amazon
Sad Jesus Christ is a personable savior , and awesome, not man , so sweet , sweet knowing him , direction seventy four years , as a small child two and three year old ,on on on on on on on on just my life!
Paranoid a little ?
Please reality?
Ñone of this makes sense. Where's the context? What event are you all talking about? Why does this have value to anyone? It seems like people are quibbling about who gets credit for unearthing some alleged important information. WHAT IS THE ACTUAL INFORMATION!? If there is no clarity about your info and what the point is, who cares?
Yes, what is content of pamphlet?