While I appreciate captions and use them often, yours are a bit large and in the way- blocking the content we are trying to see. Maybe a smaller background box, or turn the opacity way down so it can be seen through would help. Or even moving them to top of the screen for sports videos, since much of the action is in the middle/ bottom of the screen. Thanks. :)
Yes and khorkina’s vault all around should receive a zero because she didnt land on her feet first. This gymnast was every Time helped and overscored by the judges.!!!
@erica holly Yeah, she fell from the bars afterwards, so she was out of the running for a medal. I watched all this on the BBC back in 2000, but last year found broadcast footage from another station (I think Australian), and it showed Khorkina telling officials that the vault height was wrong. They didn't listen and insisted on several gymnasts vaulting before checking it, including Annika Reeder who was injured as a result and had to withdraw from the rest of the competition.
@erica holly Originally it was Raducan (who being very short wasn't as badly affected by the vault being the wrong height), but she got disqualified after testing positive to a banned substance. The gold was then passed to Simona Amana.
@@101Queenisis oh yeah? My recovery from acl surgery was not too bad I found. I imagine it's different for everyone. I haven't tried childbirth yet but I can only hope it's like that hahahah
A touch counts as an attempt. There has to be a defined act that determines an attempt otherwise anyone can say they want to try again. Contact with the apparatus counts as an attempt.
unfortunately it counts as an attempt if u touch the table or board even just slightly :( I did gymnastics for 11 years and we were always taught to run off to the side of the runway just before the board If we thought we were gonna bail so we would get a second attempt. I feel bad for her tho. She was smart to avoid injury.
Agreed in theory, but as the narrator points out that she just had to run around and not touch the equipment. Still, the safety of gymnasts should be the main concern, and a change in the rules would seem fair. She clearly didn't attempt an actual vault, so she should have had another chance with a penalty. The vaults are getting so difficult that trying to attempt them despite being off from the start is a very bad idea.
I would agree, had I not been a gymnast myself. Her mistake was that she ran INTO the vault & still touched it, which is what got her a zero. We are taught that if something is wrong you are to run PAST the vault on the side & not touch the table nor the springboard. This allowed us to start over essentially
@Jackson Five really though? Like come on it’s good she didn’t injure herself. She might’ve fallen if she’d attempted to go another way. Yes it’s a mistake but why can’t there be second chances? I don’t know. Just kinda annoying. And with the red light one the judges could’ve just looked at the footage from the different angles or had her perform it again. They need to not be so strict.
@@Psyphelia The more lenient they are the worse it would be overall. Even if certain individual situations seem a bit harsh, they need to stick to the rules and say this is allowed and this isn’t no exceptions, otherwise pretty much all “fails” or “faults” etc. would be able to be contested. Even if certain situations seem harsh it’s always better to just have a strict set of rules and very strictly enforce them.
I have a lot of respect for Ekaterina for just not doing it. She knew she could get hurt and didn't want to risk injury for a score. I just think that's cool :)
Yes, obviously a sad mistake. But, do you go through an intersection when the light is still red when no one is looking? So the "JOKE" as you say, was on her. And you, if you go through red lights when no one is looking. But it's not gonna be a funny joke when someone gets hurt or killed!
@@mr.balloffur It's the mindset of someone that thinks going through a red light at an intersection is OK, because no one is looking. You are correct, it's there for a reason. Obey the rules, and the laws! You won't get a zero, and won't get hurt/kill yourself or anyone else.
@joyce It absolutely was a mistake. And like the original commenter stated, she didn't do it on purpose. That's why they call car accidents "Accidents". No one gets into one on purpose. However, there are consequences in an accident, and because of her "Accident" she paid the consequences. The comment made it seem as if it should be overlooked by stating it was a joke. Well, they obviously weren't kidding when they made that rule. Definitely a sad, unfortunate mistake. They didn't let the rule slide when Ekaterina Kramarenko touched the springboard and vault without continuing her routine. They are all professionals, and have made it as far as championships, and even the Olympics. They know the rules, and learned them long before they ever got to the championships. I learned not to go through a red light as a child. It didn't take drivers ed or a handbook for me to know that. I'm not trying to be mean about it at all, it really sucks that that happened. She was excited, and her adrenaline was going. She just had an "Accident".
@@Dr.Thomas. being that she is a pro, usually they receive a go signal for someone to start running. OP is probably saying something was rigged in her case cause why would she run if she already knows a pretty basic rule
It’s a small thing but I admire how Abreu was able to stand up straight, smile and leave gracefully even though she obviously must’ve been terribly disappointed with her performance
MLB players can miss 7 out of 10 pitches and still have a 300 avg and make millions a year! These kids work a decade for a 30 second deal slip and loose everything brutal sport
not to mention it can ruin their body for the rest of their lives. all that blood, sweat, and tears just to be forced into retirement because of an injury :(
Plus their careers are so short as it is. Gymnasts age out at such young ages now and it’s so much more brutal because they can’t put their bodies on hold and have to navigate this ridiculously small window when they’re at their lightest and somehow wait to peak at just the right moment with competitors fighting for the exact same spot in the Olympic Games where they essentially have like ten minutes total to validate YEARS of their lives dedicated to those very moments. Talk about pressure. Recently on Good Morning America one of their anchors was low key complaining that gymnasts’ faces always look so much more serious than any other sport at the Olympics and that they should smile and show how happy they are to be there because it’s a once in a lifetime event that very few people ever get to participate in and I just wanted to scream at her like “EXACTLY!” Lol. These young women work their whole lives for 30 second runs. It’s not little league, it’s the freaking olympics 🙄🤦🏻♀️ They have no choice but to make it count.
I think Maria Paseka got 0 on uneven bars. During the qualifications, the Russian team didn't need her to perform, so she touched the low bar and saluted the judges. She automatically got 0.
Some rules are absolutely not antiquated. The rules regarding injury? I agree it should be changed to “withdrew” instead of scoring a non vault. The landing ones? Definitely necessary.
I really appreciate how much effort he puts in attempting to pronounce everyone's name correctly, it's a little thing but it's very nice that he tried and did VERY WELL at doing so.
These athletes are absolutely at the top of their game regardless of scoring Zero whether or not the score contributed to a team or personal score. I remember that year Svetlana Khorikina chose not to do that second vault. The immense pressure to be *on* when mentally you are not there can not only cause severe injuries but can end your career. Some say what she did was selfish at the time. I see it as self preservation. She chose herself and to not injure herself further. My heart broke for Chantysha Netteb because it's all the long hours of practice we the audience never see, all the jumps that were landed that were perfect; to have your life explode on a world stage is devastating. I have mad respect for all of these athletes for their endurance, their grit and their perseverance.
Imagine runners being disqualified for one false start. It's about the ones giving the scores being more important than the ones doing the performance. It's a reason as a kid watching the Olympics with my family that I became jaded and stopped watching events that required judges opinions.
@@thiagopinheiromusic started running or started the actual part they are scoring on? started running should make no difference. if she started the scoring part to early, then you call it a "false start" and then it's not scored and a do over. One false start per event. Not a difficult thing to implement.
I feel like they should get a best 2/3. Everybody makes mistakes, but if you can show the same caliber of skills each time then obliviously you're very good at that event.
Ohhh, I know the feeling Chantysha.... I KNOW THE FEELING! I tore BOTH of my ACLs playing basketball in high school. When I found out I wouldn't step foot onto a basketball court for at least a year, if ever, all I did was cry on my dad's shoulder. I was back to competitive play in 8 months after the first one and I tore the second one 18 months later. 😢
@@unknownuser_99 she was really overscored many Times. Besides , every athlete must be humble and this is not her case. Sometimes bad looser sometimes unrespectable. Medals aren’t everything !
I was there for the Anna Pavlova incident. Everyone working close to the judges could hear what they were saying about Anna Pavlova from the beginning. The camera people, water people, and runners at that event know what I’m talking about. Judges weren’t going to let her win regardless of her being better than everyone there. It’s really sad to know the behind-the-scene-politics and not be able to do anything about it. I didn’t know who she was, but by the end of the Olympics I was rooting for her and so were most audience members, including from other teams. It was obvious something fishy was going on with the Judges… *cough* bribery *cough* …
Anna was absolutely in no way better than everyone else in that final. Cheng Fei and Hong Un Jong both had much more start value than her. She was never going to beat either of them, or Oksana C. She made a mistake and paid the price for it- and said exactly that later. I just love the whole “bribery” garbage that people like to spew when their preferred gymnasts don’t get what they feel should be given- in spite of being scored based upon performance. If you think you know so much, get off your lazy duff and go become a judge yourself- practice before preaching!!
Usually when you watch Olympic athletes you think, there is no way I could ever do that no matter how hard I try. But this time, I'm pretty sure I could do a gymnastic routine that would score a 0. Then again, doing it in Olympic competition still takes an insane amount of hard work, dedication, and talent.
I remember Kerri Strug performed her second vault while injured! She tore something but still manage to stick the landing(abet one leg) and the team won the Gold!
It’s insane how talented these gymnasts are! The mental fortitude alone is super impressive. I think it was not sportsman like to walk off and not even do the second vault.
I don't know anything about this. One thing that seems to me to be confusing is the girl who got a 0 because the red light was on. It looks, on the video, like that light is behind her ... is she supposed to be able to see that? Or is this something I just don't understand? .
You need to check wheere it is at the start of her approach. I don't think we had a shot of that. The table should be somewhere in her field of vision.
I wish they said which country each of the athletes was from! They mentioned that the first guy was from Italy, but then stopped mentioning it completely?..
Russo- Italy Netteb- Netherlands Abreu- Dominican Republic Medvedev- Israel Fei- China Khorkina- Russia Pavlova- Russia Kramarenko- Russia I hope everything was correct!
They NEED to allow people to do two vaults in the team final and AA. If someone falls badly on any other event without completing one of the elements, it's possible to recover. But if you don't land feet first on vault, odds are you or your team will automatically come in last place or close to it.
It's always that damn vault! I messed up my hip really badly when I crashed and flew over 15 feet past the mats and was going head first flying in the air at least 10 feet over the vault and put my feet down at last minute to prevent a bad head injury. I ended up jamming my hip up inside the joint. But I still competed later that week.
Reading the comments it seems that many are ignoring the fact that these are elite athletes, on the world stage, at the pinnacle of their sport. Of course the rules are (and should be) both strict and strictly followed. Everyone involved knows the rules so there are no surprises.
Yes but these elite gymnasts are also still very young and nervous participants, it's understandable to make small mistakes and sad to see. I couldn't imagine being broadcasted for the whole world to see any mistake I made in such a dangerous sport.
@CharmsDad You're getting way too many likes for such grand and overarching statements. You imply, then, that these people not only knew the rules that would get them zeros and did them anyway or just didn't care enough. Which is both wrong and incredibly patronising.
@@ValeriePallaoro I think saying these athletes are bad or something is too far but them being young and nervous doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have been punished for failing at their sport. They messed up, they knew the rules and they made a mistake. Doesn’t mean their terrible or anything, everyone makes mistakes and being nervous makes you more likely to but being young doesn’t mean they deserve a medal though.
@@JanitaShowaars word. I always feel bad for gymnasts in EF when they fall on beam or bars but are still expected to finish their routine even though they’ll probably finish in last no matter what. Why risk the injuries? Just let them concede.
@@sshark2683 it just adds to that hunger for the podium! It’s always unfortunate when all competitions gymnasts don’t hit their full potential at finals or even worse, getting injured.
This popped up on my homepage after Simone Biles backed out of competition at Tokyo. THIS IS WHY I don't agree with the hate she's getting. Gymnasts can easily get injured completing maneuvers when something is wrong. She knew it and changed moves midair to stay safe. She did the right thing.
@Zeven Zoomer she owes you and her country nothing. She protected herself, like she should have. Doesn't mater what she said in an obligatory press conference.
It was about her mental health, being she got off her medication which gave her an imbalance like vertigo so she could not perform. These gymnast still chose to perform with the exception of Svetlana K and the other gymnast that suffered an injury. Simones mental health has miraculous recovered in time to perform again. Amazing.
@@ROCKDEES1 her ADHD medication is banned in Japan so it seems she didnt have much choice in that matter. thats no guarantee thats what caused her twisties though. Gymnasts experience even without medication changes, and Simone has been under a ton of pressure. I think it was a combination of a lot of things finally getting to her.
^^^This^^^ Yeah, I actually think it's quite disturbing the amount of hate Biles got for refusing to f***ing kill herself for a sport - it's like the haters were actually hoping to see her get maimed or killed for their entertainment. I don't think people grasp just how dangerous the twisties is for a gymnast - you MUST stop, there's no other choice, as it's unsafe to continue. I note that all of Biles teammates, some of whom had had the twisties themselves, were 100% behind her decision.
Completely different case, lol. She just crumbled under the pressure because she knew she wasn't going to win. Blamed mental health because it's a pity point for progressives only to compete for the individual one 2 days later.
Still think Khorkina is a boss for not doing her second vault because she knew the chance for injury was so high. So many other gymnasts had injured themselves on that vault on that day and her first was so close to ending badly she just mic dropped and said my body is my tool I must protect it
You forgot to mention that the reason Khorkina scored O on the vault was because it was discovered the apparatus had been set incorrectly and the entire thing was raised shortly afterwards.
That diss to the first one, "Even though he got a 0, and the team scored last place, the rest of the team sucked too so it didn't matter what he got they'd still be last"
Not really a "diss" - simply, his mistake didn't have any effect on the team's placement. So they couldn't single him out as the only reason they didn't place higher as a team. The comment was meant as a consolation of sorts to the gymnast.
@@kothai1634 There was no last minute change. In gymnastics (as well as track and field, swimming, and other major sports) there is only one window for rule changes every four years. This occurs AFTER the Olympics (in the same year) and involves a process of proposing changes to the governing board, a review and comment period for all proposed changes, and a final vote by the full governing body. There are no sudden or unexpected changes right before a competition. This is not true of all sports, but the “major” Olympic sports all use a similar approach. The only exception to this restriction has to do with drug testing policies, which are subject to change if there’s a dictate from the IOC.
@@CharmsDad I think (s)he meant Meng changed her vault in the last minute, maybe she messed up on her other vault in training and was afraid to do it etc
I’m not sure how it works in gymnastics, but in diving the competitors submit their dive plan to judges so the judges know what to score. If the diver doesn’t perform that listed dive, they get nothing. It wouldn’t matter if they performed the greatest dive of all time-if it’s not what’s written on the judge’s paper, it’s graded as a fail since that’s not the dive they saw.
You could have tore something if you have fallen off your stiletto heels or got an eye injury from all the heavy eye make up ...... or worse yet, take a shot of hairspray straight in the eye .....
No it's not, vaults are dangerous and she had already fallen during her first one, doing the second when you know you're already out of the competition and risking injury for nothing is stupid
Meng Fei was not intending to compete the compulsory vault as it would be an automatic zero. The compulsory vault was a piked Tsukahara. She flashed the number for the LAYOUT Tsukahara but it was downgraded to a pike by the judges and of course awarded a zero. This was from the period of time that you qualified to vault finals with the compulsory vault and optional vault score (best score of two vaults). Several vaulters made it to vault finals over those years and didn;t have a strong second vault from a different vault family.
lol I just recognized Yamilet from a show called Exatlon Estados Unidos she was in it last year and it’s a competitive show but there were two teams red and blue she was in red but I was going for the blue team but she was really good in that show.
It’s not fair that injured gymnasts get an automatic 0.000 on the second vault because they’re unable to perform the second vault due to the major force cause that an injury is. They should modify or at least tweak that rule - it’s not the gymnast’s fault that she can’t perform vault number 2.
@@Adaephonable Of course not. That’s dumb af. I was thinking something like creating a special one-off low score that’s not zero (which is almost cruel given the reason why the gymnast can’t do the second vault) to apply in cases of injuries like these.
When you succeed in life, you must claim it. When you are ready to compete you just know that life becomes a reality. You have to stop, think, and listen to your body what tells you when you succeed your entire nations to make the team to become a reality.
You only looked at vault, but there have been quite a few times when gymnasts on the other events touch the apparatus and then immediately salute because they don't need the score.
I wish for vault finals they would simply give them a DNF and disqualify them rather than giving them a zero. It doesn’t change the outcome but it seems more dignified and respectful to the injured athlete to me
but in WAG, gymnast still can choose not to compete in certain apparatus..not like rhythmic gymnastic where they need to perform all apparatus in qualification..
I am clearly not a gymnast. On the torn ACL, it said she under rotated. Please explain this to me. In my untrained mind I would have thought she over rotated, because when she lands it appears to me that her feet were too far forward. I’m not criticizing, I’m trying to understand.
They wanted Russia to become last and didn't change lights. They literally gave her a sign to perform and then gave her a 0 score because of trivial rules about lights.
The ATHLETE is responsible for making sure the green light is on before going. The rule is not trivial, it is NECESSARY to ensure all are prepared to see the performance. That was on her alone, and she stated just such. You need to get over your selfish arrogance.
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it's a small thing, but i'm glad you included that Andrea Russo's score wouldn't have changed their team placement
i dont really think he got it
@@ayusssapkota327 I'm used to it
@@rinu3989 be persistent
Me too.
Damn, Italy REALLY needed to get their shit together.
Reminds me of the 2000 olympics when the Vault was set at the wrong height and caused many horrible Vaults
Yes and khorkina’s vault all around should receive a zero because she didnt land on her feet first. This gymnast was every Time helped and overscored by the judges.!!!
Yes I remember that I was in the audience when that happened. I actually said to my sister the vault looks too low.
@erica holly Yeah, she fell from the bars afterwards, so she was out of the running for a medal. I watched all this on the BBC back in 2000, but last year found broadcast footage from another station (I think Australian), and it showed Khorkina telling officials that the vault height was wrong. They didn't listen and insisted on several gymnasts vaulting before checking it, including Annika Reeder who was injured as a result and had to withdraw from the rest of the competition.
@erica holly Originally it was Raducan (who being very short wasn't as badly affected by the vault being the wrong height), but she got disqualified after testing positive to a banned substance. The gold was then passed to Simona Amana.
I didn’t even know that was a thing
I feel bad for chantysha. Poor girl not only got hurt she scored a zero because she couldn't do the second vault
thats how it works unfortunately.
And then having ACL SURGERY!!?? From someone who knows, its like childbirth but the pain lasts longer!!
She needed to pull a Kerri Strug...
@@101Queenisis I wouldn’t compare ACL surgery (or tearing your ACL) to child birth cause they are completely different type of pains 😂
@@101Queenisis oh yeah? My recovery from acl surgery was not too bad I found. I imagine it's different for everyone. I haven't tried childbirth yet but I can only hope it's like that hahahah
Imagine training your entire life, then performing your vault early at the Olympics and getting a zero.
that would suck ;(
Sure but it was the finals so they would have outperformed many others already.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 it still sucks, because you could’ve had that chance to do even better-
That last girl was smart to avoid injury. Such a dumb rule, to not allow a second attempt if you touch the things. Ffs
A touch counts as an attempt. There has to be a defined act that determines an attempt otherwise anyone can say they want to try again. Contact with the apparatus counts as an attempt.
unfortunately it counts as an attempt if u touch the table or board even just slightly :( I did gymnastics for 11 years and we were always taught to run off to the side of the runway just before the board If we thought we were gonna bail so we would get a second attempt. I feel bad for her tho. She was smart to avoid injury.
Agreed in theory, but as the narrator points out that she just had to run around and not touch the equipment. Still, the safety of gymnasts should be the main concern, and a change in the rules would seem fair. She clearly didn't attempt an actual vault, so she should have had another chance with a penalty. The vaults are getting so difficult that trying to attempt them despite being off from the start is a very bad idea.
@@cantor7723 rule is rule. If she hadn’t touched it, she could’ve a second attempt.
@@lost99sheep We’re well aware of the rules, thus this whole thread. Thanks for your comment nonetheless.
I applaud the last gymnast. She knew something was off and stopped. She could have been seriously injured!
I would agree, had I not been a gymnast myself. Her mistake was that she ran INTO the vault & still touched it, which is what got her a zero.
We are taught that if something is wrong you are to run PAST the vault on the side & not touch the table nor the springboard. This allowed us to start over essentially
those rules are offensive and disrespectful of the people's health
@Jackson Five she probably realized too late
@Jackson Five really though? Like come on it’s good she didn’t injure herself. She might’ve fallen if she’d attempted to go another way. Yes it’s a mistake but why can’t there be second chances? I don’t know. Just kinda annoying. And with the red light one the judges could’ve just looked at the footage from the different angles or had her perform it again. They need to not be so strict.
@@Psyphelia The more lenient they are the worse it would be overall. Even if certain individual situations seem a bit harsh, they need to stick to the rules and say this is allowed and this isn’t no exceptions, otherwise pretty much all “fails” or “faults” etc. would be able to be contested. Even if certain situations seem harsh it’s always better to just have a strict set of rules and very strictly enforce them.
I have a lot of respect for Ekaterina for just not doing it. She knew she could get hurt and didn't want to risk injury for a score. I just think that's cool :)
I’m also glad it didn’t ultimately hurt her shot at their Olympic team. An error should never preclude someone from being considered.
The red light one was a JOKE! Believe me no gymnast is purposely going to perform knowing the judges aren’t ready! Sad mistake :(
Regardless, the light is there for a reason. The judges can't judge what they don't see.
Yes, obviously a sad mistake. But, do you go through an intersection when the light is still red when no one is looking? So the "JOKE" as you say, was on her. And you, if you go through red lights when no one is looking. But it's not gonna be a funny joke when someone gets hurt or killed!
@@mr.balloffur It's the mindset of someone that thinks going through a red light at an intersection is OK, because no one is looking. You are correct, it's there for a reason. Obey the rules, and the laws! You won't get a zero, and won't get hurt/kill yourself or anyone else.
@joyce It absolutely was a mistake. And like the original commenter stated, she didn't do it on purpose. That's why they call car accidents "Accidents". No one gets into one on purpose. However, there are consequences in an accident, and because of her "Accident" she paid the consequences. The comment made it seem as if it should be overlooked by stating it was a joke. Well, they obviously weren't kidding when they made that rule. Definitely a sad, unfortunate mistake. They didn't let the rule slide when Ekaterina Kramarenko touched the springboard and vault without continuing her routine. They are all professionals, and have made it as far as championships, and even the Olympics. They know the rules, and learned them long before they ever got to the championships. I learned not to go through a red light as a child. It didn't take drivers ed or a handbook for me to know that. I'm not trying to be mean about it at all, it really sucks that that happened. She was excited, and her adrenaline was going. She just had an "Accident".
@@Dr.Thomas. being that she is a pro, usually they receive a go signal for someone to start running. OP is probably saying something was rigged in her case cause why would she run if she already knows a pretty basic rule
It’s a small thing but I admire how Abreu was able to stand up straight, smile and leave gracefully even though she obviously must’ve been terribly disappointed with her performance
i learnt if u get a zero score u finish 8th place
@ThatOne only because this was in finals. Only 8 can qualify for finals
@@harlieschmidt5945 omggg
Out of the 8 contestants 😅
😂😂😂😂😂
Pavlova’s case still makes me upset
one of the most heartbreaking things to occur still to this day
Rules are rules
@@triplefull7057 but it wasn't her fault :(
@@triplefull7057 It wasn't her fault
@@macioamaral2888 It was she should have waited even though I love her but this fair
MLB players can miss 7 out of 10 pitches and still have a 300 avg and make millions a year! These kids work a decade for a 30 second deal slip and loose everything brutal sport
not to mention it can ruin their body for the rest of their lives. all that blood, sweat, and tears just to be forced into retirement because of an injury :(
this is such an important point, perfection is never expected in any other sport
Sir, demand and popularity is the name.
@@alkanedust3848 And why those athletes should be very grateful.
Plus their careers are so short as it is. Gymnasts age out at such young ages now and it’s so much more brutal because they can’t put their bodies on hold and have to navigate this ridiculously small window when they’re at their lightest and somehow wait to peak at just the right moment with competitors fighting for the exact same spot in the Olympic Games where they essentially have like ten minutes total to validate YEARS of their lives dedicated to those very moments. Talk about pressure.
Recently on Good Morning America one of their anchors was low key complaining that gymnasts’ faces always look so much more serious than any other sport at the Olympics and that they should smile and show how happy they are to be there because it’s a once in a lifetime event that very few people ever get to participate in and I just wanted to scream at her like “EXACTLY!” Lol. These young women work their whole lives for 30 second runs. It’s not little league, it’s the freaking olympics 🙄🤦🏻♀️ They have no choice but to make it count.
Kind of funny that it’s always on vault. Other than scratching or starting on the red light, could this even happen on another apparatus?
Other than scratching, it's unlikely. Even if you perform a round-off on floor or mount the beam, skills have a difficulty value
I think Maria Paseka got 0 on uneven bars. During the qualifications, the Russian team didn't need her to perform, so she touched the low bar and saluted the judges. She automatically got 0.
@@darkmatter5940 That’s what is called scratching.
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Same with Olga Korbut. she had an infection on her arm and just touched the lower bar on the uneven parralel bars for a zero.
I think they can zero a specific element, but not the entire routine.
There is a huge difference between getting a zero for screwing up the routine and getting a zero for an injury.
Is there? Those two things seem related.
Its the same,a zero is a zero,jugdes dont care why you screw the routine.
People would fake injuries if they were treated differently
@@user-mt2co8ip4u How are you going to fake an ACL tear
They seem to be injured as a direct result of screwing up so....
It has to suck to land on your back and then be like "ta da" at the end
Hahahaha omg i was thinking the same thing. The dark complexioned girl's face... "ta da!" Ughh poor thing.. bless her heart.. good sportsmanship
@@icyflann7178 why did you have to say “dark complexioned girl” when we all know who you’re talking about......
Because it's a pretty feature on her? You may refer to someone having clear skin of a gorgeous tan also. I'm done with the internet I really am
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@@zvezdoblyat Would it be an issue if they said Brunette? No? Then stop starting things.
Yamilet was so gracious when after she landed on her back wow
Wow the judges weren’t ready to evaluate Pavlova if only there was a way to rewatch her performance...
LOL! I'm dead bahaha
They should have let her go again.
@@arianebolt1575absolutely not. Every athlete understands the rules. She herself stated it was her mistake and no fault of anyone else.
I immediately think of Anna Pavlova when I saw this title
It's Kramarenko for me, always
Me too
RIGHT LMFAO
Dirty politics introduced in the gymnastics...
Ya me to
So what I’m hearing is, don’t do vault ?
A disaster waiting to happen.
These rules are so antiquated, as are many in competitive sports.
It’s time for review and revision.
Some rules are absolutely not antiquated. The rules regarding injury? I agree it should be changed to “withdrew” instead of scoring a non vault. The landing ones? Definitely necessary.
I really appreciate how much effort he puts in attempting to pronounce everyone's name correctly, it's a little thing but it's very nice that he tried and did VERY WELL at doing so.
I would also like to think that, but he does pronounce all these names the American way. To me it doesn't seem like he is even trying.
Not so well on Ekaterina.
"You get an 8th place! You get an 8th place! You get an 8th place! Everybody gets an 8th place!"
And none for Gretchen Wieners!
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These athletes are absolutely at the top of their game regardless of scoring Zero whether or not the score contributed to a team or personal score. I remember that year Svetlana Khorikina chose not to do that second vault. The immense pressure to be *on* when mentally you are not there can not only cause severe injuries but can end your career. Some say what she did was selfish at the time. I see it as self preservation. She chose herself and to not injure herself further. My heart broke for Chantysha Netteb because it's all the long hours of practice we the audience never see, all the jumps that were landed that were perfect; to have your life explode on a world stage is devastating. I have mad respect for all of these athletes for their endurance, their grit and their perseverance.
I'm not even a gymnast, why am i here!?
Ahah same
apparently there's a club that you have _inadvertently_ joined.
Welcome
same, i know nothing about gymnastics, injures, athletics, sports, dancing, olympics and i’m like Gymnastics Scores? *perfect*
Me too lol 😅
you don't have to practice something to be interested in it
Imagine runners being disqualified for one false start. It's about the ones giving the scores being more important than the ones doing the performance. It's a reason as a kid watching the Olympics with my family that I became jaded and stopped watching events that required judges opinions.
Well i agree, but what if she started before they were actually looking...
@@thiagopinheiromusic started running or started the actual part they are scoring on? started running should make no difference. if she started the scoring part to early, then you call it a "false start" and then it's not scored and a do over. One false start per event. Not a difficult thing to implement.
They do get disqualified tho
Runners do get disqualified for false starts...
they are
This is so sad! So much work and a single moment can ruin it
Sad. Their skill levels are still legit, they just made an error THAT day and are punished for it. :(
I feel like they should get a best 2/3. Everybody makes mistakes, but if you can show the same caliber of skills each time then obliviously you're very good at that event.
honestly i feel bad for all of them, imagine working so hard everyday to get in the Olympics, but then getting a 0
Ohhh, I know the feeling Chantysha.... I KNOW THE FEELING! I tore BOTH of my ACLs playing basketball in high school. When I found out I wouldn't step foot onto a basketball court for at least a year, if ever, all I did was cry on my dad's shoulder. I was back to competitive play in 8 months after the first one and I tore the second one 18 months later. 😢
this is quality content. i have made the decision to stan.
Notice how they’re all on vault
Khorkina was a good gymnast but so arrogant.
For me just good on bars and arrogant as you said
@@rio-mh6eo Her 20 world medals 🎖 tell another story.
@@unknownuser_99 she was really overscored many Times.
Besides , every athlete must be humble and this is not her case.
Sometimes bad looser sometimes unrespectable.
Medals aren’t everything !
I remember her well from the Olympics when she cursed out her coaches. Definitely a hot temper there!
@@unknownuser_99 that's why he said she was good 🤦. He just said she was arrogant?
Talk about adding insult to injury. These judges are ice cold!
Judges follow the rules as laid out in the code of points. It's not as if they have a choice.
It's just the rules, they can't give "mercy" points even if they feel bad for the gymnast who landed on their back or aborted an attempt too late.
Judges follow rules. You know, that funny word that governs most aspects of sport?
I was there for the Anna Pavlova incident. Everyone working close to the judges could hear what they were saying about Anna Pavlova from the beginning. The camera people, water people, and runners at that event know what I’m talking about. Judges weren’t going to let her win regardless of her being better than everyone there. It’s really sad to know the behind-the-scene-politics and not be able to do anything about it.
I didn’t know who she was, but by the end of the Olympics I was rooting for her and so were most audience members, including from other teams. It was obvious something fishy was going on with the Judges… *cough* bribery *cough* …
US bribery as usual?
Yeah, that was disgusting.
So they changed the laws of physics and made the light appear green, but only to her? lol.
Anna was absolutely in no way better than everyone else in that final. Cheng Fei and Hong Un Jong both had much more start value than her. She was never going to beat either of them, or Oksana C. She made a mistake and paid the price for it- and said exactly that later.
I just love the whole “bribery” garbage that people like to spew when their preferred gymnasts don’t get what they feel should be given- in spite of being scored based upon performance. If you think you know so much, get off your lazy duff and go become a judge yourself- practice before preaching!!
Usually when you watch Olympic athletes you think, there is no way I could ever do that no matter how hard I try. But this time, I'm pretty sure I could do a gymnastic routine that would score a 0. Then again, doing it in Olympic competition still takes an insane amount of hard work, dedication, and talent.
I remember Kerri Strug performed her second vault while injured! She tore something but still manage to stick the landing(abet one leg) and the team won the Gold!
I thought that was Kerri strug? 🤔
@@hyfroC You are correct, it was Kerri Strug. Sorry my bad. I corrected it. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
That was abuse. she shouldn't have been made to vault while so injured. ended her career.
@@triciazuttermeister4824 Not only that they later found out that she didn't even need to vault for the USA team to secure the GOLD.
But sadly thst was also the end of her career so.....
It’s insane how talented these gymnasts are! The mental fortitude alone is super impressive. I think it was not sportsman like to walk off and not even do the second vault.
I don't know anything about this. One thing that seems to me to be confusing is the girl who got a 0 because the red light was on. It looks, on the video, like that light is behind her ... is she supposed to be able to see that? Or is this something I just don't understand?
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Idk I don’t do gymnastics but she could always turn her head
You need to check wheere it is at the start of her approach. I don't think we had a shot of that. The table should be somewhere in her field of vision.
I wish they said which country each of the athletes was from! They mentioned that the first guy was from Italy, but then stopped mentioning it completely?..
the last girl was from russia. he said it.
Russo- Italy
Netteb- Netherlands
Abreu- Dominican Republic
Medvedev- Israel
Fei- China
Khorkina- Russia
Pavlova- Russia
Kramarenko- Russia
I hope everything was correct!
@@superg6787 Medvedev was from Israel
@@ItsRxchel oh oops. Thank you for correcting me!
”Awarded a 0...” 🙃
They NEED to allow people to do two vaults in the team final and AA. If someone falls badly on any other event without completing one of the elements, it's possible to recover. But if you don't land feet first on vault, odds are you or your team will automatically come in last place or close to it.
Anna Pavlova ❤️😪
It's always that damn vault! I messed up my hip really badly when I crashed and flew over 15 feet past the mats and was going head first flying in the air at least 10 feet over the vault and put my feet down at last minute to prevent a bad head injury. I ended up jamming my hip up inside the joint. But I still competed later that week.
Reading the comments it seems that many are ignoring the fact that these are elite athletes, on the world stage, at the pinnacle of their sport. Of course the rules are (and should be) both strict and strictly followed. Everyone involved knows the rules so there are no surprises.
Yes but these elite gymnasts are also still very young and nervous participants, it's understandable to make small mistakes and sad to see. I couldn't imagine being broadcasted for the whole world to see any mistake I made in such a dangerous sport.
@CharmsDad You're getting way too many likes for such grand and overarching statements. You imply, then, that these people not only knew the rules that would get them zeros and did them anyway or just didn't care enough. Which is both wrong and incredibly patronising.
Yes they might know the rules. But they all mostly look very young on a major global stage. And also stupid rules are stupid rules.
@@ValeriePallaoro I think saying these athletes are bad or something is too far but them being young and nervous doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have been punished for failing at their sport. They messed up, they knew the rules and they made a mistake. Doesn’t mean their terrible or anything, everyone makes mistakes and being nervous makes you more likely to but being young doesn’t mean they deserve a medal though.
Me: (sitting in my recliner with Cheeto debris all over my wife-beater) "Yeah, you gotta land those."
I feel bad for everybody but khorkina❤
Why not her?
@@jboww2121 because she was a hot mess
@@jboww2121 because even though it was smart, it wasn’t completely sportsman like conduct. I get it though, anything for a medal mentality.
@@JanitaShowaars word. I always feel bad for gymnasts in EF when they fall on beam or bars but are still expected to finish their routine even though they’ll probably finish in last no matter what. Why risk the injuries? Just let them concede.
@@sshark2683 it just adds to that hunger for the podium! It’s always unfortunate when all competitions gymnasts don’t hit their full potential at finals or even worse, getting injured.
I like the amount of information you give: not too little, not too much.
Khorkina was like "No medals? Don't want it."😭😭
This popped up on my homepage after Simone Biles backed out of competition at Tokyo.
THIS IS WHY I don't agree with the hate she's getting. Gymnasts can easily get injured completing maneuvers when something is wrong. She knew it and changed moves midair to stay safe. She did the right thing.
@Zeven Zoomer she owes you and her country nothing. She protected herself, like she should have. Doesn't mater what she said in an obligatory press conference.
It was about her mental health, being she got off her medication which gave her an imbalance like vertigo so she could not perform. These gymnast still chose to perform with the exception of Svetlana K and the other gymnast that suffered an injury. Simones mental health has miraculous recovered in time to perform again. Amazing.
@@ROCKDEES1 her ADHD medication is banned in Japan so it seems she didnt have much choice in that matter. thats no guarantee thats what caused her twisties though. Gymnasts experience even without medication changes, and Simone has been under a ton of pressure. I think it was a combination of a lot of things finally getting to her.
^^^This^^^ Yeah, I actually think it's quite disturbing the amount of hate Biles got for refusing to f***ing kill herself for a sport - it's like the haters were actually hoping to see her get maimed or killed for their entertainment. I don't think people grasp just how dangerous the twisties is for a gymnast - you MUST stop, there's no other choice, as it's unsafe to continue. I note that all of Biles teammates, some of whom had had the twisties themselves, were 100% behind her decision.
Completely different case, lol.
She just crumbled under the pressure because she knew she wasn't going to win.
Blamed mental health because it's a pity point for progressives only to compete for the individual one 2 days later.
Vault been looking really sus in this video
So, the judges would rather have a gymnast injure themselves rather be reasonable?
Pathetic.
Slided? Do you mean slid?
I laughed so hard when I saw this
Still think Khorkina is a boss for not doing her second vault because she knew the chance for injury was so high. So many other gymnasts had injured themselves on that vault on that day and her first was so close to ending badly she just mic dropped and said my body is my tool I must protect it
God vaults are always the scariest to me, so much speed and force in the landing
so sad. these are such talented people. mistakes happen.
I don't know why I watched this...now I feel crappolla.
You forgot to mention that the reason Khorkina scored O on the vault was because it was discovered the apparatus had been set incorrectly and the entire thing was raised shortly afterwards.
Actually that was in the olympics of Sydney. Khorkina scored a zero in 1997 worlds.
love how all the zeros are vaults
That diss to the first one, "Even though he got a 0, and the team scored last place, the rest of the team sucked too so it didn't matter what he got they'd still be last"
Not really a "diss" - simply, his mistake didn't have any effect on the team's placement. So they couldn't single him out as the only reason they didn't place higher as a team. The comment was meant as a consolation of sorts to the gymnast.
Why would they have Meng do the compulsory vault in the finals?
That’s a bizarre one for sure.
I would imagine that they just didn't know about that rule
@@hazelnutspred3348 They knew the rule. They just made a mistake.
@@kothai1634 There was no last minute change. In gymnastics (as well as track and field, swimming, and other major sports) there is only one window for rule changes every four years. This occurs AFTER the Olympics (in the same year) and involves a process of proposing changes to the governing board, a review and comment period for all proposed changes, and a final vote by the full governing body. There are no sudden or unexpected changes right before a competition. This is not true of all sports, but the “major” Olympic sports all use a similar approach. The only exception to this restriction has to do with drug testing policies, which are subject to change if there’s a dictate from the IOC.
@@CharmsDad I think (s)he meant Meng changed her vault in the last minute, maybe she messed up on her other vault in training and was afraid to do it etc
I’m not sure how it works in gymnastics, but in diving the competitors submit their dive plan to judges so the judges know what to score. If the diver doesn’t perform that listed dive, they get nothing. It wouldn’t matter if they performed the greatest dive of all time-if it’s not what’s written on the judge’s paper, it’s graded as a fail since that’s not the dive they saw.
That seems a little weird.
2:55 saying goes: "Not how you start, it's how you finish"👍
Man, these look so painful. 😭 I feel so bad for them. Imagine being so talented and then bam, Injury when it matters most
I'm so glad Mom put me in pageants instead of gymnastics cause goddamn.
You could have tore something if you have fallen off your stiletto heels or got an eye injury from all the heavy eye make up ...... or worse yet, take a shot of hairspray straight in the eye .....
Svetlana Khorkina always had terrible sportsmanship
Not performing the second vault because you won't win a medal is just pure poor sportsmanship.
No it's not, vaults are dangerous and she had already fallen during her first one, doing the second when you know you're already out of the competition and risking injury for nothing is stupid
Meng Fei was not intending to compete the compulsory vault as it would be an automatic zero. The compulsory vault was a piked Tsukahara. She flashed the number for the LAYOUT Tsukahara but it was downgraded to a pike by the judges and of course awarded a zero. This was from the period of time that you qualified to vault finals with the compulsory vault and optional vault score (best score of two vaults). Several vaulters made it to vault finals over those years and didn;t have a strong second vault from a different vault family.
lol I just recognized Yamilet from a show called Exatlon Estados Unidos she was in it last year and it’s a competitive show but there were two teams red and blue she was in red but I was going for the blue team but she was really good in that show.
Vault is vicious. I broke my toe on vault before.
In future videos, please mention the country the gymnast is representing. Good video regardless ‼️
I like how all of theses were vaults
I am utterly ignorant, but I would think that an injury would be an exception to allow a substitue,
Those old horse vaults make my heart skip a beat when a gymnast runs upto it.
“Anna pavlova” isn’t that a ballerina from the 20’s and the New Zealand desert pavlova was named after her
Australian dessert. 😏 It's a common Russian name.
OMG Duc Phuc , i like your cover version. Love it !
The vault is just really unpredictable I have to stop because I run on the wrong foot and I don’t want to injure myself
Why am I watching this? Why is in my recommended? RUclips please explain
I was thinking thee same.?.
I thought as long as the gymnast does not touch the spring board or vaulting table they can restart without any deductions?
They receive a 1.00 (full point) deduction for empty run
@@gymnasticsmasterclass thank you for the info!
I missed seeing the Russian athletes in Paris. The Olympics just doesn't seem like the Olympics without them.
It’s not fair that injured gymnasts get an automatic 0.000 on the second vault because they’re unable to perform the second vault due to the major force cause that an injury is. They should modify or at least tweak that rule - it’s not the gymnast’s fault that she can’t perform vault number 2.
SO what is your solution? Should the injured gymnast automatically win?
@@Adaephonable Of course not. That’s dumb af. I was thinking something like creating a special one-off low score that’s not zero (which is almost cruel given the reason why the gymnast can’t do the second vault) to apply in cases of injuries like these.
OMW! Andrey's vault...you could see it flaming out in the air.
Even on a gym mat, these look very painful. I cannot watch. I know what pain is. I've gotten bucked off of horses on my back before. Ouch
When you succeed in life, you must claim it. When you are ready to compete you just know that life becomes a reality. You have to stop, think, and listen to your body what tells you when you succeed your entire nations to make the team to become a reality.
Anyone who gets to the olympics gets a 10 in my book
These superNATURE are HUMAN. Their score for me is 100%. A Human that cant perform 0.5% of what is shown..
Everyone else: *respectable, gets a zero being injured or trying to avoid it.*
That one guy: *just completely fucks up*
You only looked at vault, but there have been quite a few times when gymnasts on the other events touch the apparatus and then immediately salute because they don't need the score.
You should check part 2 :)
"...and, SLIDED over the table..", huh?
C'mon man, really!?
SLID, HE SLID OVER THE TABLE
I wish for vault finals they would simply give them a DNF and disqualify them rather than giving them a zero. It doesn’t change the outcome but it seems more dignified and respectful to the injured athlete to me
My heart goes out to all of them.
but in WAG, gymnast still can choose not to compete in certain apparatus..not like rhythmic gymnastic where they need to perform all apparatus in qualification..
This is why I’m so scared to go to competition because if I take a extra step there’s a good chance I will slow down
devastating for them all but I’m just happy they didn’t get hurt
If a person gets injured they don’t get a 0.00 their score just won’t count. *I know what I’m talking about I’m a gymnast*
I am clearly not a gymnast. On the torn ACL, it said she under rotated. Please explain this to me. In my untrained mind I would have thought she over rotated, because when she lands it appears to me that her feet were too far forward. I’m not criticizing, I’m trying to understand.
the red light one :( im so sorry for her
Soooo…we just weren’t supposed to notice you subbed Simone biles in?
They wanted Russia to become last and didn't change lights.
They literally gave her a sign to perform and then gave her a 0 score because of trivial rules about lights.
The ATHLETE is responsible for making sure the green light is on before going. The rule is not trivial, it is NECESSARY to ensure all are prepared to see the performance. That was on her alone, and she stated just such. You need to get over your selfish arrogance.
My score will be negative. I would owe the judge points.