NEW RYOBI 12Ah and 8Ah One+ 18V Batteries and 8A Fast Charger
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- We got our hands on RYOBI's fastest charger yet. This 8A charger will charge the new RYOBI 8Ah 18V battery in just one hour. These new 8Ah and 12Ah batteries are built with the larger capacity and higher output 21700 cells. Look for these batteries and the charger on the Home Depot shelves very soon. #ryobitools #homedepot #tools
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RYOBI 12Ah 18V One+ Battery:
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Tool performance can also be better with a bigger battery. Blowers will move more air, weed eaters will spin faster, and drills can put in screws with more power. As a handyman, you are many times using the tool you have in hand, and not always selecting the ideal tool for a job. Or you are at a job when suddenly, you need to do one more thing that might be beyond what you expected. In this way, knowing you can pop in an extra large battery has helped me more than one time.
Use the 12ah in my compact glue gun :P I'm liking that charger. Thanks for video.
Gonna use it on my little clip fan and run it all summer non stop!
@@cujoedamanquick ? - does your clip fan make a barely audible whistling noise on high? Drives me nuts lol
Nice, love the 9ah batteries i have, mifht have to get some 12s
Thank you you for the battery & charger review! However...im now interested in the tape measure as well. Lol!! what brand of tape measure are you using?
The 12Ah battery would be nice for someone to use like 2 in the 20" self-propelled mower if you don't want to go 40v and you already have a bunch of 18v outdoor equipment. Just 2 of those 12Ah batteries could mow up to 2/3 acre (good enough for most average size lawns with charge to spare) if they fit under the battery lid. As for the charger, 8A isn't an insane amount of amps for charging considering cell phones can charge higher and faster. That said, the charger will cause premature wear on the batteries as compared to the standard "slow" charger.
Glad to see the charger has HP contacts in it. This way it can determine what kind of battery is actually put in--not just HP v. non-HP but should also have capacity and/or # of cells data in an HP battery, meaning it can adjust the charge current accordingly, so as not to damage lesser batteries. Or so at least is the thought. In all the press/pre-release pictures some of them showed these and some of them didn't so it was not really clear if it would have those or not. Without these this would not be possible, so nice to see them there.
The very odd thing is, with Ridgid, they decided to go for a lesser-output charger (6A rate) for their new one (and it does not have Octane/MO contacts), making an unusual situation where they produced a "higher" product for Ryobi than Ridgid. This is in spite of all the current batteries being essentially identical in terms of cells and configuration, Ridgid & Ryobi.
They are not cheap but not a bad price for a 12Ah and 8Ah
Thanks for the video! Those big batteries are great if you can afford them. Right now I can get 4 4AH batteries for $200 and 2 free tools. Or the 6AH, 4AH and 2AH batteries for $200 with a free brushless tool. Of course you'll have to change them more.
Just got a 4ah and 6ah pack for $70 on clearance at HD
I have been slowly expanding my Ryobi hardware and over the any years have been very happy with how they get the job done very well around the house etc and Ryobi has yet to let me down. Also thinking about expanding the batteries for use of camping (recharge devices, fans (for wife) etc.
I am wondering about this charger and is it possible to use it in a car adapter to charge the batteries?
Hey TJ and free awesome video! Literally couldn’t agree with you more about how often the chargers are overlooked and what a difference in overall platform performance a decent charger can make.
Yes, a decent charger is nice. But, the 8A rapid charger will charge your batteries so fast that it will actually cause premature wear. Even Ryobi's 30 minute fast charger will cause premature wear on your batteries. I've had batteries die an early death being charged by one (granted, they were factory recertified). Have you ever wondered your cell phone battery loses life after a year? Its because you're probably using a high input/fast or rapid charger. Same thing happens to a power tool battery, maybe not as fast if the tools aren't being used/charged as often.
@@matthewjbauer1990Yeah I know that is what everyone, including the cell manufacturers say. Heck I even used to say that. However, the reality, at least in my experience is quite different. I pretty much exclusively use fast chargers whenever possible on my phone, power tool batteries, and especially all my RC LiPo packs. The difference I’ve seen is so negligible as to be completely irrelevant compared to just normal aging. All my RC batteries, most of which are over ten years old, all of which have been exclusively fast charged. They all perform very similar to brand new batteries and have darn close to the same run time. Close enough that I never give which battery myself or anyone else is running a second thought. I have several packs that only have a few runs on them and they’ve been stored indoors at a 50%SOC for the vast majority of their lives. Every 6 months or so I’ll fully cycle them and then put them back with a storage charge. Their percentage of capacity drop is literally exactly the same as all the other packs that get used hard, only fast charged, and are always stored at 100% SOC. I performed a test on these batteries versus a brand new one fresh out of the box. The new battery had about ten percent more capacity then the decade old batteries and had noticeably more punch off the line. But top speed and runtime were so close as to not matter. So basically the only time you’d see a difference is in full throttle punch from a start or low speed. If the cost of fast charging the battery is I give up a few percentage points in capacity and punch off the line but in return get to spend much more time driving as opposed waiting for a charger, then I’ll take that trade off all day long. The point is the manufacturers say these things to cover their assess and I would too if I were them. However real world use for me has not shown anything I didn’t expect from a battery of the same age. My phone doesn’t show any greater degradation of capacity since I switched to all fast chargers though it is an iPhone so their “far charge” is still pretty slow. My original Ryobi lithium batteries from the early 2000s are still around and heck they’ve actually seemed to show an improvement in run time when I switched to the fast charger. I guarantee using a fast charger was not the TRUE ROOT CAUSE of what killed your battery. I’ve never had any Ryobi or Milwaukee batteries die on me and they do get used a lot. So to take a long answer and make it short, in my experience the potentially slightly faster aging of the battery is a trade off I’ll make all day long for faster recharges.
Can you do a test of those batteries with the run time on the 6gal wet/ dry vac
I’d be interested to see how many cycles the batteries can go through before the speed charging starts to damage the cells.
I know it's gonna be awhile before I see these batteries in the store. I already have five of the 9ah batteries.
Really wish they would bring some of this stuff to the uk market. Still waiting on the 18v table saw
They're pretty decent. Got my lil bro his first table saw last year, 8 1/4" (210mm) brushless portable jobsite table saw. Not the most powerful of course, but it works great.
Let’s go!!
"This is not for an impact driver or common tools"
Challenge accepted!
Really want to see if these bump the performance of the high torque impact up at all.
Tim
do you know what cells are they using ?
Can finally give my RYOBI tools with that extra battery contact they power they need will be getting the charger and 8 amp 21700 battery
There's already an entire line of batteries that have the extra contacts.
Do you have a model number for that charger?
for the price, I've converted most of my wood working and home yard work and flash lights to Ryobi
Yes, they are expensive, but if you wait all these Ryobi tools and batteries go on sale at Home Depot.
Where to get the charger from
1000% sure Ryobi is coming with a new battery powered generator! Might have to start looking at the lime 💚 green and black
You mean with a built-in Lithium battery pack? They just announced it a couple days ago. I'd still go Ecoflow or Bluetti based on specs and price though. A month or 2 ago they announced an 8 slot 18v generator/inverter to match the 40v older version.
Seems like calling oversized power banks "generators" is a new fad. Someone in marketing is earning his bread and caviar.
now they mold the top and bottom together no longer use screws so you cant undo
$239 😱 divided 36 months equals $ 6.64 👍👍😃😃
Online for my local store, there’s a two pack of 8ah batteries for 199
Biggest thing being 21700 cells. Best battery RYOBI had in performance was the little 3ah even vs the old 9.
Disagree. I have two 3Ah and four 9Ah (along with various 1.5s, 2s, 4s, and 6s). The 3Ah is better than most but it doesn't match the 9Ah for power output. That's not surprising. The Samsung 30T 21700 cells in the 3Ah batteries top out at 35A continuous output. Meanwhile, the three rows of Sony VTC6 18650 cells in the 9Ah add up to 45A (15Ax3) of continuous output.
That being said, these new batteries _should_ blow the doors off the old 9Ah...unless Ryobi uses absolute garbage cells in them.
This is a joke right? The 3ah barely gets my table saw moving. Meanwhile my 9ah can work most wood.
@@LazyCrazyGuy the discontinued compact 3ah with 21700 has been tested many times over on the torque test channel to have comparable results to the 9 with impact wrenches
@@theTealStoryyeah I have those 3ah batteries you speak of and real world performance isn't anywhere near as good as my 9ah. That being said I did notice they do better than my 4ah and almost as good as my 6ah.
@@theTealStoryone more thing the impact wrenches don't get much benefit from 9 ah like the table saw does. The impact wrenches I found tops out at with the 6 ah. I don't notice any improvement with 9 ah. But the table saw does see a considerable improvement in performance.
Would Ryobi recommend the 8 hour or 12 hour for their cordless table saw?
Thanks.
I suspect there may be balance/bulk issues with attaching larger batteries to a hand-held power tool. Obviously, since people have different use cases, there can be no such recommendation - some people are ready to work with a heavier tool for the endurance benefits, others don't need endurance but value light weight and low bulk e.g. for work on heights and in confined spaces.
12ah batteries would be nice to use in the new 18v power station they're been stalling on for some time now, it's still "coming soon" and we've known about it for a while now.
Yeah, that is a lot of extra power one could get out of the station. There is a lot of expectations on Ryobi tools. (One hates to have a flop or a bad tool.) This delay could be a sign they are optimizing the product. The Ryobi power station could be game changer; or at least the next generation of the power station, could be a Tesla Power wall and it could make an impact in the solar power generator space.
@@cryptickcryptick2241 It would be epic for Ryobi to make a Powerwall type product + Solar. I want a powerstation but i think they need to overhaul the on-device screen, support more slots for more batteries, be able to rapid charge those batteries (40v and 18v). They need a more cohesive app ecosystem as well. Complete overhaul. Maybe one app that supports all the products.
The total price for the overpriced 18v power station and a handful of 12ah batteries is insane though. Haha. The only intrigue of that power station was I already had various 9ah, 6ah, 4ah batteries. Making use of what I have. Another $200/per battery hurts. Might as well look at other power station that offer better features, performance and value. Ecoflow, Bluetti, Anker, etc.
I don't see it competing with powerwall-like solutions for obvious reasons. There, cells are already built-in, and placed for optimal volume/cooling. To equal the same amount of cells you'd need quite a few tool batteries, which are designed primarily to minimize volume with cooking a second concern, with losses of volume on the inverter side for battery ports, more complicated electronics to manage multiple batteries, and power losses due to removable battery connectors as opposed to spot-welded cells in powerwalls.
These are completely different niches.
@@TG-qr4jr Yeah, now that I got to see the actual price of the 18v power station, I'll pass.
Necessary!
Im buying 4 of the 18V 12Ah. It can let me run my scooter wayyy longer.
Funny how harbor fright came out with there for almost half the price 💀
I’ve always had enough batteries that I don’t need a fast charger.
The rapid charger is cool but I have 18 batteries and having 18 of those around is not dooable. I use the Ryobi multi charger.
I would like to see the review of these batteries against the 9 amp in the impacts ..
Impacts aren't as power hungry as people think, certainly not as power hungry as a regular drill. An impact is only ever fighting against the resistance of the internal springs to reset the hammer after hitting the anvil. It's basically uncoupled from the drive train, so if you use an impact on an immovable fastener, you are basically just hammering your anvil over and over, whereas a drill will snap your wrist putting everything it has into moving that fastener, or die trying.
@@Brandon_Neil I suggest you watch the torque channel. The P262 half inch mid torque did 400 ft lb with a 4 amp, and close to 700 with a 9 amp. I own this drill and can tell you from experience the more amp hour battery you feed it the more powerful it is
Does using rapid chargers degrade the battery more quickly than slow (normal charging)? Is it better to invest in more batteries and charge them all slowly? Great video......as usual!
Not on these newer chargers. The new rapid chargers charge the batteries very fast in the beginning when they are cool, and then once they get to 80-85%, the charger slows down and confirms the battery is safe while charging the last little bit. BMS, Battery Management Systems have gotten much better over the past couple of years. Thanks for watching.
Correct slow charging will make battery last longer
Depends on how the battery works. E.g. in cell phones there's sometimes several cells that are charged in parallel, this enabling fast high-current charging but minimizing battery degradation.
Thus, if the cell banks are charged in parallel, and the charging curves are optimized, and with the 21700 cells that handle high currents better, the endurance of the new batteries will not significantly degrade with fast charging as opposed to slow charging
It would have been nicer if they were selling a dual-battery fast charger.
Does lid close on the cooler when using the 12ah battery?
Yes, we show it in the video with the 12Ah and 8Ah batteries in it. It won't close with 2x 12Ah batteries in it; the 12Ah battery has to go in the rear port for the lid to close. Thanks for watching.
@@Shoptoolreviewsthat's a bummer. The cover on my lawnmower doesn't close fully with the largest 36v battery I have, but there there's no risk of snapping it off, as there might be with the cooler
@@Shoptoolreviewsta ładowarka ma chłodzenie
@@Shoptoolreviewsdoes this charger have cooling?
The new Ryobi 18v whisper trimmer looks much better than the 40 volts whisper trimmer. With these new 18 volts 12 ah batteries it now has the battery capacity it needs.... If I were a richer man, I would by one 18v whisper trimmer and three 12 ah batteries to go with it.
I dunno, imo 36/40 volt batteries are better suited to larger tools. Their bulk is more spread out instead of these tall boys, which provides for better weight distribution/balance, and higher voltage generally pays of with fast motors in stuff like blowers and lawnmowers
Can’t wait to see a 2 stage snow blower run off of these.
Pretty sad these are coming out when lfp powerstation are starting to populate the market
great products. rye obi not re obi.
This 12ah battery is way way way over due. I've heard that it's better for a battery to charge slower than faster. I like rapid chargers but I can't help but think is it healthy to use faster and faster chargers.
I'm gonna skip the charger. If you find yourself regularly waiting for batteries to charge, it means you don't own enough batteries. I avoid buying bare tool, since it's almost never a better value. I currently have 24 Ryobi batteries - ranging from 1.5Ah to 9Ah - and probably a dozen of the included chargers. The day I run through them all before the first ones get done charging, is the day you'll find me and all my tools dead on the floor.
Almost everyone in the industry says that yet no one hardly ever gives any actual proof going to also tell you I'm in the RC industry where we use the exact same type of batteries and it's a tech. The battery technology has gotten better. They have been able to charge faster without hurting the battery or any battery nowadays if it takes an hour or longer to charge it, you are not hurting that battery and now some battery cells can handle what they call to see charge rate which is basically charging that battery in 30 minutes regardless of the size of battery that is what most sales are capable of now so no, even on a four amp hour battery charging it in 30 minutes the battery cells in that newer battery if it's a newer battery should be able to handle that all day long and not degrade that battery much at all now on an older battery no I would not charge at faster than 1C which means it should take around an hour to charge a battery But like I said, in the beginning, everyone claims this no one has ever given any actual proof of it and with lithium batteries when people have tried to test these things, it's not the charging speed that kills them. It's over discharging them. It is running the battery till it's completely dead. That is what hurts these lithium batteries
@@jacoblynch9862 That may be the longest, single sentence I ever attempted to decipher. Wow.
@@TheCharleseye oh well I'm completely blind and use dictation on my phone. It is supposed to now add periods and? At the end of sentences. Guess it does not work. Thanks for letting me know.
There may be some degradation but most likely it will be negligible, since batteries are charged in banks of cells, the more banks you have the more are charged in parallel, meaning higher total current and shorter time but the power is distributed between the banks, also 21700 cells handle high current better
That 12ah battery doesn't need 21700 cells.
Why not? They have a better output:runtime ratio than 18650s. Anything the size of a 9Ah or bigger is already preposterous. Might as well go for maximum performance, if you're going to have to strap a tackle box to your tools.
I agree. They should go straight for the bigboys 38120 lfp batteries. 3000 charge cycles and those can run their shitty lawn mowers without stalling.
I don't like rapid chargers. They build a lot of heat in the batteries which will shorten their life, and these batteries are not cheap.
I bought one (regular fast charger, not this one) , and a power inverter, in case of power outage (we don't have a car to charge phones in), so I guess I'll be saving the rapid charger for only if I need to charge them in a hurry before a storm.
The biggest Ryobi mistake I made was buying the 40v rapid charger on eBay. I only did it because I saw it offered brand new for $30. Very quickly I noticed the decline in my batteries. Now I never use it and have happily gone back to the slowpoke chargers
@@wastedcentury1805 @Billkwando
Imagine what rapid chargers do to electric cars....... ROFL. People have no idea they are killing their $20,000 battery packs.
The faster you charge the battery the faster the battery dies.
Rapid charging when done smart, i.e. charging multiple cell banks in parallel, with 21700 cells that handle high current better, with adequate battery design allowing for cooling, does not result in significant battery degradation.
$239 for a 12AH, 18v (216wh) battery. You can buy a 100AH, 12.8v, LFP battery (way more cycle life) and only pay about $289...that's 1,280wh, so dang near 6 TIMES as much battery, for $50 more. Yeah, it won't fit in your Ryobi tool, but it will do a helluvalot more work, including charging a normal 4AH Ryobi battery multiple times.
Taładowarka ma chłodzenie
Ryobi needs a good chainsaw. I was disappointed in their current offerings
40v?
I only have the 18v stuff and have too many batteries to invest in anything else @@Vic-xl7hu
I use the slow ass chargers or the slightly faster ones. I dont care about these super fast chargers that damage batteries.
21700 cells handle current better, and there's more cells so more banks are charged in parallel. In most cases, the deterioration from higher current charging is negligible. By the time these batteries degrade, most likely there'll be whole new batteries you'll want to replace these with.
I have a Bosch high power charger, with the old 18500 cells 5ah batteries, I can't say my batteries feel observably worse after several years of use.
An 8amp charger is not going to charge an 8ah battery from 0% to 100% in an hour. The beginning few percent and the last 15% to 20% it has to go slower. With most charger and battery combinations this means you always add 30 to 40 minutes to the "battery capacity / charger capacity" math.
Who is screaming 🙀 I don't hear anything
The EV development will eventually turn power tools into commodity products when batteries become super cheap.
... And interchangeable between brands
Not listening if you're gonna scream, dude.
Not going to listen if you don't scream! Lol!
@@showersdpn Dude is literally yelling. Like, louder than an auctioneer. More like a hog calling contest.
@@Billkwando agree. I have to turn the volume down super low and still it was annoying
Sounds normal, stop crying
What are you a 4th grader....turn the volume down. Also don't chew with your mouth open.
Sigh. You ran a $500,24 qt cooler for 24 hrs using $400 worth of batteries. And the cooler can’t recharge the batteries, you need to bring a charger. A $500 yeti cooler holds 100qts (4 times as much) for a 5 days on a bag of ice you buy at the grocery store. I own and like Ryobi stuff, I own 4 18v and 3 40v tools, but call a spade a spade dude.
What do you want us to call it? There are 2 tool companies with battery-powered coolers: Makita and RYOBI. RYOBI stepped up and entered a market that other competitors are not in. We agree, the price is high, which is where the price typically is on a new market product. Can you purchase other coolers that use ice for cooling cheaper? Of course. I myself, hate purchasing ice every day for a cooler. Is that frustration worth $500 plus existing batteries or more money? Maybe, maybe not. We mentioned in the video that the price was high. This is one where we leave that decision up to the prospective buyer to make the choice. Thanks for watching.
@@Shoptoolreviews Call it an expensive cooler that doesn’t live up to the hype. There are 12v coolers on the market for less money. Right now setpower has a 21 qt 12v cooler for $199 on sale. You can buy three of them for the price of the ryobi cooler and batteries to cool it for a day. Just because Ryobi or Milwaukee make it doesn’t mean you need to scream how awesome it is. Don’t like ice? Buy freezer bricks. I like learning about new products, but it’s hard to trust a channel that can’t give a sober look at a product and say “hey this is where ryobi needs to fix it”. Maybe that’s not the kind of channel you want to have-but its the kind of channel you should want to have even if Ryobi/Milwaukee won’t hook you up with freebies.
@@kd8opifor some reason, I would prefer using batteries as opposed to ice and freezer bricks. I don't have the extra space in my freezer to hold multiple freezer bricks, I don't care to buy/manufacture ice and spread it around the cooler, but batteries I already have anyways for my tools. So if I ever needed a cooler is get a battery-powered one.
As for competing products, the market will decide.
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul The market will decide, as always. That’s why it’s important to know that larger 12v refrigerators/coolers you can run off a cig lighter plug can be had for less money. I like ryobi, I own their 40v and 18 volt tools. Just used their 18v inflator to fill all 4 on my truck tires up before a long trip home. But that ryobi cooler is expensive for the size, and that you can’t run it off 12v and charge the batteries is a fatal flaw.
@@kd8opi fully agree on the last two points.