The ATF has a little over 5000 total employees that includes all the people answering phones; meanwhile there are 10 to 40 million pistol brace owners and at least 24.6 million AR-15 owners that still doesn't even get into the AK rifles.😅🤣😂
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more - we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Right? thatwould be a fkcin mistake lmao especially since I am mcuh more violent person at 1-4AM, as I have horrible PTSD but I would love to have an outlet, one that I am already pissed off at on the daily
4. Unload an entire clip into them. Folks, the US Constitution makes clear that only the US Congress has the right to make federal law. These governmental agencies like the ATF established by anti-Constitutional leftists make "laws" in huge number that Congress has neither established nor approved of. The ATF, along with the modern FBI and others, is our generation's version of the Nazi Gestapo.
4. Take a strategic position and instantly behave as if a foreign army is invading the moment the door pops open. Remember, the first will peel off to the left or right, the second entering will peel the opposite and the third entering is usually the one to get capped first. One exercise a special forces guy taught our group was to defend ONE ROOM, usually a bedroom, by practicing everyday your strategic position with your weapon: starting at the floor on one side of the door pointing and focusing on taking the point up, across, backdown and backwards up across and back down, again and again for 10 minutes twice per day, imagining someone forcing their way in and peeling off one side or another. It's your choice to be a slave or a victim......or not.
It's easier and safer to confront an old man and his wife at 3 AM. Sometimes they get the address incorrect, because the atf is the bottom of the barrel.
I couldn't help but notice that in the ATF training footage that they cut out the part where they shoot your dog. Everyone knows that's in there, there's no use trying to hide it.
Oh, and the one where they shoot your wife as she holds your baby. Or, the ones where they bring fire cannons and burn every structure and every living person within it to the ground.
It is not a crime when lawfully executing "police powers" BUT is IS a tort (for which civil liability attaches under Due Process). Not a "Takings", but a constitutional tort of a Due Process violation. ============= You can recover as a Due Process violation. So NOT rely on a "Takings Clause" claim. See LEO LECH case in the Tenth Circuit --- www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/19/19-1123/137798/20200311120118642_39352%20pdf%20Gammon%20app.pdf
@@konnorj6442 "bs qualified immunity" The only bs part of qualified immunity is that courts are currently allowed to skip step #1 ---- Qualified Immunity us a proper doctrine but it was broken when SCOTUS started allowing courts to skip step #1 ---------- STEP #1 was mandatory after Saucier v. Katz, 533 U.S. 194, 201 (2001) but in 2009, SCOTUS mucked it up. Pearson v. Callahan, 555 U.S. 223 (2009) at III : "On reconsidering the procedure required in Saucier, we conclude that, while the sequence set forth there is often appropriate, it should no longer be regarded as mandatory. The judges of the district courts and the courts of appeals should be permitted to exercise their sound discretion in deciding which of the two prongs of the qualified immunity analysis should be addressed first in light of the circumstances in the particular case at hand." ==== In my opinion, it is long past time to fix that error and return to mandating step #1 for the lower courts.
@@omnigma good luck with that. Some states have ridiculous laws about not turning over body camera footage or the laws don’t punish cops for deletions of evidence which we call obstruction of justice in most places. I’ve been saying for years that body cams need to be 100% required for any cop to step a single toe outside their locker room. Every single aspect of their duty should be monitored and recorded without their input. Intensionally covering or disabling body cams and/or car cams should be a fine of a felony obstruction charge. They should be uploading to a hard drive in the car until the car is back at the station where it uploads to a cloud that no one in local law enforcement has access to delete. The video should be any cop’s evidence for a crime they witnessed. The word of law enforcement is garbage and nothing they say in court should be believed under any circumstances without video evidence to back it up. They are all liars and thieves. We know that. All footage should be available to the public within one week of recording. Full stop. No more hiding the crimes of criminals behind investigative pretense.
What happened to Blue lives matter? What if these agents fear for their lives? I'm sorry weren't these the same officers that the Leftists were trying to defund a few years ago? Maybe the leftists are _right..._ "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary" - Karl Marx
The current judge is probably signed off on plenty of warts. All they got to do is get one before they leave already signed and fill it out on the way there.
The fact that the government can do thousands of dollars of damages to your property in a search, and you have little to no chance of recovering that regardless of what they found or didn't find, is horrifying and MUST be addressed by our legislature!
I think if footage goes missing in any law enforcement scenarios and anything gets challenged, which the video would pertain to, should automatically be decided in favor of the citizen. Citizen: "he totally planted those drugs on me" Cop: "sorry, the bodycam footage went missing, but trust me bro, I didn't" Judge: "due to missing bodycam footage, this case and charges are now dropped" This would ensure that cams stay on and functional
@@Batmann_ I do like this option, the same with muting the body camera. I will go one further. If the video vanishes, is muted, or camera not turned on, a civil rights lawsuit should have the burden of proof flipped with a presumption of guilt and the official having to prove they did not violate the civilian’s rights.
@ẞatman Surprised to see comments like this given the history of the generel 2A diehard audience knowing this would let off a lot of brown skinned individuals. Let's hope you keep that same energy.
If "supposed" ATF came to my house (even with a warrant) and I have no clue as to why, I'd call the police and not let them in until officers arrive to verify the credentials. You can't be to sure of anything these days. Scammers are everywhere.
You would then be accused of stalling to destroy evidence and will most likely be shot to death along with your pets, farm animals, spouse, children and elderly relatives if they are there. Then all your assets including your real estate (used in YOUR CRIME) is stolen by the "righteous US Govt of Jesus Christ" and value added to their coffers for year-end bonuses, etc.
They are being trained to overreact. Screaming at people helps to intimidation results. After all, when they come screaming to your door in the dead of night, ARE YOU GOING TO OPEN THE DOOR? I CAN TELL YOU THIS: I am not opening my door to a bunch of bad-ass wanna-be people in the dark. Warrant or not.
Our government actually sickens me when I see what they want to do to law abiding citizens I feel bad for anyone that is so desperate for a job that they would work for the ATF
1) Do not open the door. If you do they will try to look past you to find a reason to force their way into your house without a warrant. 2) Tell them you do not answer questions from law enforcement. Tell them to leave your property that they are tresspassing. Tell them to leave a card and you will have your lawyer call them. Do not be fooled by their cordiality Biden's solders are NOT there as friends.
If the govt sets foot on your property without a warrant and seeking information about a violation of law . . . RECORD!!! And then FILE LAWSUIT for the Fourth Amendment violation. We need to get the Fourth Amendment "implied license" mess cleared up in SCOTUS jurisprudence. Sample Petition --- > www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20-1299/172375/20210322114341096_20210322-113846-95753073-00003978.pdf
deker095, here in IN, state law gives every homeowner the right to use deadly force if a LEO is operating illegally. To attempt a search without a warrant IS illegal.
They didn’t in April 1775. Dane scenario: British regulars marching to capture possible rebel arms in Concord. Stopped at Lexington by those very same arms in the hands of a “Well-Regulated Militia.
To be fair it is OUR job to not let tyranny happen. Americans have complied themselves into a communist corner and we CAN NOT vote your way out of this.
@@Weidjeep so easy to become complacent when things are good. Good times make for weak men Weak men make for bad times Bad times make for strong men Strong men make for good times
Our Founders Would Not Have Let The ATF, FBI, IRS, DCF, UN, NIH, CDC, FDA, CIA, NSA, Department Of Health, Or The Department Of Education Be Established In The First Place. Our Founders Would Not Have Let Our Military Go Woke Either.
@@ChristianConstitutionalist3192 why have we then I'm at a loss wrapping my mind around modern Americans but I'm a terrorist for abiding by the constitution
Rules have the force of law. Congress ceded power to the various agencies of government. play it smart or you will find yourself in a real jam. Destroyed property will be the least of your problems.
@@deker0954 that's were you are 100% incorrect. Congress (as per the constitution) cannot cede their powers to a division(s) in the executive branch. Therefore, any RULE that violates the US Constitution as per the constitution; "any rule, law or order that is in conflict with the constitution is NULL and VOID as if it never existed and it is your duty to disobey such violation and such action is not allowed to be enforced by any government agent" Any government agent that comes to your home to confiscate any legally purchased weapon under the guise that that weapon(s) is no longer legal to own, is in violation of the constitution and therefore does NOT have the rule of law behind them for such action.
@@ScrappyXFL my local police (and all law enforcement in Arkansas to my knowledge) refuses to cooperate with ATF. We're supposed to call the locals to deal with them, which would honestly be hilarious to watch.
I like how their drills seem to depict an aggravated intoxicated suspect out in the open when in reality I don’t think there home visits are gonna go anything like that
To be real a lot of people if not most will end up complying but in the case there is a somebody willing to risk it all i doubt it’s gonna go like that. They’d be better off training with Keanu if they truly wanna be prepared
@@KeweenawPatriot read The Montana Vigilantes by Thomas Dinsdale. They knew what to do with a corrupt sheriff. It's a historical account of events. Nonfiction It's taught about as often as The Battle of Athens in government schools
A- No warrant (1) don't open the door. (2) don't talk to them. (3) get a good lawyer. B- Warrant (1) make it clear you don't consent (2) check the warrant (3) don't interfere (4) get a good lawyer.(5) Make no further statements
Steven you are correct sir. It SHOULD be illegal. Body cam's should be made to were they come on when they get out of there car. They should not be able to be tampered with. Like turning off when THEY want to. How convenient for them.
The ATF better take into consideration the fact that #1. We are not just going to turn over whatever it is they are after. #2, we have friends. #3 Our friends know who we are & are vigilant to whatever is happening & where. The ATF better remember there may be OVERWHELMING fire power.
#4 some states, such as mine, have made it illegal for local and state police to assist the ATF in enforcing all unconstitutional firearm laws… so good luck fedbois… not even the local PD will support your nonsense.
My nephew recently left the Coast guard after 11+ years of service (his commanding officer told him he couldn't be promoted because he was a white male). He told me approximately 4 years ago they, and the other military services had been training to fight civilians.
I was in the marines and we shot paper targets with a picture of a white guy wearing sunglasses holding an ak. This basically means we are training to kill white armed men with a certain affinity for sunglasses
Speaking of Ruby Ridge and Waco it’s almost like we are in desperate need of about a thousand or more quiet and intelligent Tim’s scattered across the country willing and capable of spanking them. They are long overdue!
@@Blue-Gold_Crusader Hey man, I'm just here to build bridges, lmao. You might also agree with a lot of the works of George Orwell and how he criticizes authoritarian governments, he was also a democratic socialist.
The problem with a “voluntary encounter” is that just cuz you stopped the encounter, doesn’t mean the police just won’t keep on and on basically harassing you if they want to.
Notice how the ATF agent being interviewed said "WHEN they see it in real life..." rather than "If"? Will definitely be calling the sheriff's department and state troopers. TX state troopers are usually pretty level headed and fair, at least in my experience.
@@Blgtn43 just make simple defund and strip any powers they have to regulate firearms it’s very clear “ SHALL NOT BE INGRAINED “ it is as clear as day there is no other interpretation. Anything else it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL period.
@@Blgtn43 we already have a command structure starts with the commander and chief.. and downwards. .. I am a bit confused 🫤 what you mean … the 2A DOES NOT NEED TO BE UNDER ANYTHING.
We live in a police state. ,our rights barely matter any longer. You’re both right about don’t assist and don’t resist and asking for an attorney and your right to stay silent. Otherwise, you’re screwed. Let your attorney fight the battle in the courts later on.
Would that be the same attorneys and courts that handled the 2016/2020 election process's? The Hunter Biden laptop issue? The Biden crime family issues? Or the ones that are busy trying to help pin garbage on DJT? You trust 'em I won't.
Attorney General Reno, would NEVER allow that footage to be shown. That's why the Front door went "missing" the feds came in with guns blazing, murdered Koresh's Father when he opened the door. The B.D. only started shooting back when they were attacked. The local Sheriff stated that he could have gone to the compound, or had Korean respond at anytime. Also the Feds brought in the Military, A violation of the Posse Comitus Act, unless the Governor gives permission, and pumped Flammable C.S. gas via an armored battle tank, and then set fire to the place. I don't think they burned themselves and the children. I also think the child abuse narrative was a false one. And the same FBI sniper, Ron Honashu ( spelling?) was there, he's the one who murdered Randy Weavers wife, Vicky (?) while holding an infant. The Government crimes of Waco & Ruby Ridge, happened under another corrupt and treasonous demonrat president, Bill Clinton. Many say that Killary was behind the Waco incident, urging Bill to be tougher on gun owners. I'm recalling this from memory, Soldier of Fortune, did some great investigation on both of these incidents. I also had friends in Law Enforcement, who knew Deaver, the guy at Ruby Ridge, his fellow rent a cop, from Cape Cod, Ma. took out the Weaver's Dog, who discovered them hiding in the bushs. He shot the dog, Deaver stood up to I.D. young Weaver shot Deaver, and they shot Randy's Son. But that story is for another day.
I had Los Angeles County Sheriff deputies bang on my door, stating they had a warrant. I asked to see the warrant. The response was "we don't have to show you the warrant, you are not the owner of the property" Is that California thing? Long story short, they left without arresting me. They found nothing. Since I was not arrested, a lawyer told me I had no right to inquire about the warrant. Where it came from, the affidavit filed to get the warrant, or who claimed I was committing crime in my house. Completely outrageous.
If they say "We noticed you purchased a...or some firearms recently", apparently they were on the books purchases, LEGALLY, and they'd have no business being there in the first place.
been a member of USCCA for a long while...always good to hear information passed on to us..Live in Arizona, away from many trouble spots, I think....but having a lawyer I can call makes a lot of sense, and eases ones mind..thanks Tom and Kevin.......steve..I also have a local attorney who is really well -versed in 2a items...but if something happened at a strange hour, rest assured, I would be calling YOU Tom.....(hoping we didn't wake you up).haha
About verifying the agent. Camera at the door does the job. And You don't need to verify if the badge is real - if the guy will not want to show the badge that would be a good reason not to open the door.
The best defense you can have against unwarranted contact or invasions from police agencies is a fence with locked gates. You do not have to speak to them and without a warrant, they have no right to enter your property. If you allow them to enter the curtilage on your property (porch, walkway, driveway, etc), they will often try to make voluntary contact and or obtain probable cause to enter your property and search. The best way to avoid all of that, is to enclose the property line and secure it. Don't even allow them to encroach. Make them communicate by mail.
Eye for an eye. If the door gets busted in that's the hill I will die on. What are they gonna say? This guy hasn't had a traffic ticket in over 10 years, never been arrested. Myself and family have been in law enforcement for over 25 years.
Bearcats, flashbangs, shields, body armor head to toe, and spooky scary “machine guns”, what do they have to be afraid of? All that to take care of one guy.
Not saying ive been training specifically for the ATF, but what i train for just happens to be effective for the ATF, im no criminal but im ready to take anyone out. just that simple when you want to do me or my rights any harm.
Out of shape Bubba with his thin blue line shirt and let's go brandon hat won't stand a chance. I find it fascinating many people actually think the majority of gun owners are mentally prepared to fire at the police.
@Nathan Lamont an atf agent was shot in the face in the south side of Chicago by a gang member....I wouldn't judge a person by what they look like or what they arent capable of.
@@nathanlamont9920 See, here's how it'll go down. Those clowns in costumes will be taking orders for a paycheck, us on the other hand will be fighting for our livelihoods and to protect our families. Huge difference in morale there buddy. And don't think for a second that we're all out of shape slobs. Many of us are highly trained combat veterans that are still in great shape, from snipers to medics and everything in between. So go on with your bad self and keep your head up your ass, whatever people like you feel the need to do to make yourselves feel better. When they come, it won't last long.
Looks like they are training for soft targets. You know law abiding citizens with families in suburban and rural areas. Doesn't look like they are training for Tito and Ray Ray in the inner city apartment complexes.
I suggest you separate some of your weapons off site so you have some left should there be a second visit later down the road and the first visit went down unjustly.
@@WanderingExistence Yes, what does that have to do with the ATF? He didn't offer them up like you will when they come knocking. Of course, they won't bother stopping at your house... you're a good little puppet.
ATF (FBI) already showed us how competent they are at handling simple warrants (e.g., Branch Davidian cult massacre). Changed my trust of those two agencies (FBI total mismanagement of the debacle). Reputations of the FBI and the ATF are forever damaged in my opinion. I am not much interested in firearms in the first place, nor do I care about cult groups, but after looking into the facts surrounding the Waco Massacre, both agencies lost my trust (e.g., contacting the media beforehand just to showboat, abusing a reporter who was sent to cover their media stunt which quickly turned into a debacle of their own creation, people died on both sides unnecessarily, deciding to go on with the "raid" when their cover was blown, ignoring the local Sheriff's wise advise to just talk to them in the first place, using military helicopters with mounted machineguns....). No one from either agency saw prison time for the unnecessary deaths they caused. Worst of all evidence "disappeared", like pages from officer's field notes, the front door to the compound (which would have shown the direction of the bullets). As I recall, after the massacre was over, the feds sent "cleaners" into the compound to remove whatever possible evidence might be left over. They apparently didn't want independent investigator sniffing around. I think both agencies have proven they are worthless and should be disbanded. The states can handle crime much more professionally and efficiently with less cost to the taxpayer.
So if I have not broken any laws and they come to my door with a warrant, your advice is to tell them to go search for what they want without my help, knowing that they’ll likely break some stuff and I’ll never get compensated for it. If they ask to see my guns, and I know my guns are legal, am I not potentially saving myself thousands of dollars in damages if I just show them my guns? The comments are going to crucify my for asking this, but I feel it is a valid question. If my choices are to comply and not have my house wrecked or not comply and have my house wrecked, how am I supposed to react? It’s messed up that this is even a question, and shows that the system is really unfair.
So a good idea is to have a camera at the front door with two way audio will help to identify who is approach the house. Also these camera's can help deter anyone from breaking in to the house outside of the video content. As for the chatgpt section I wouldn't follow anything chatgpt says as it isn't true ai right now and learns based off whatever material is presented to it.
How do you know they have a warrant or not! Twenty-five years ago, I had three men in suits bang on my front door and said they had a search warrant for a friend of mine and have to search my home. I asked for ID and to see the warrant. They showed me three private detective badges and a warrant that all looked real to me. As I was looking at the warrant, they burst through my door and threw me up against the wall. One of them held me against the wall while the other two ran threw my home. After about five to eight minutes, they left. As I watched them drive away, I noticed I still had the warrant in my hand. I walked through my home to see if anything was broken or missing. Then sat down and looked threw the warrant. I noticed there was no signature written in where the judge was supposed to sign. I called my police precinct and told them what just happened, and they said they knew of no warrant and I should call a major Sparkes that was in charge of Special Investigations, which did. He said he didn't know of a warrant being out for my friend or one put out for my address. For years, I have wondered how you can tell if a warrant is real or not! Should I've asked for a uniformed police officer be present first!? How can you tell if a warrant is real or not! Ever since then, I keep some firepower near each door! How do you know if it's a real warrant or not!??
[[ How can you tell if a warrant is real or not! ]] In the moment, you can't, so you have toi take them at their word and then address it later if it was not real. ALWAYS RECORD. And record yourself saying "I am NOT consenting to any search, but if you have a valid warrant I will not obstruct you from searching."
Can you call your local Sherrif if they did show up? Mostly to identify the situation to be official and legitimate? Some local Sherrif's are very pro 2A, I'd be curious how they would respond to them being in their county.
Here is one example of how that went for someone who did that. I would say it worked in their favor. By the way, the last time I checked the ATF agents lawsuit got no where due to laws that protect law enforcement, even when they are in the wrong. ruclips.net/video/YOInYwP8-Es/видео.html
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The ATF has a little over 5000 total employees that includes all the people answering phones; meanwhile there are 10 to 40 million pistol brace owners and at least 24.6 million AR-15 owners that still doesn't even get into the AK rifles.😅🤣😂
Careful with, “you get what you pay for.” I just watched you give advice for free as well.
Regulated Militia
We are not in State custody
Conscription!!!!
i cant wait. PLEASE come start going to homes. ive been waiting for this for years.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more - we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
What a coincidence! We're training for the ATF to come to our houses too!
Right? thatwould be a fkcin mistake lmao
especially since I am mcuh more violent person at 1-4AM, as I have horrible PTSD
but I would love to have an outlet, one that I am already pissed off at on the daily
If they come to my spot they better come split up or they're gonna leave split up
Rumor has it the Tax Man is the " Tag Team " partner. 🤔
Small world
😂😂😂
1. Hide your dog.
2. Don't open your door without a warrant.
3. Don't hurt their feelings by laughing at their poor tactical training.
The you get shot multiple times by ATF Tactical Teams
You forgot not to laugh at the rainbow colored patches and make sure you give them all the budlight you were going to use as target practice.
4. Unload an entire clip into them.
Folks, the US Constitution makes clear that only the US Congress has the right to make federal law. These governmental agencies like the ATF established by anti-Constitutional leftists make "laws" in huge number that Congress has neither established nor approved of. The ATF, along with the modern FBI and others, is our generation's version of the Nazi Gestapo.
And then they set your home on fire
4. Take a strategic position and instantly behave as if a foreign army is invading the moment the door pops open. Remember, the first will peel off to the left or right, the second entering will peel the opposite and the third entering is usually the one to get capped first. One exercise a special forces guy taught our group was to defend ONE ROOM, usually a bedroom, by practicing everyday your strategic position with your weapon: starting at the floor on one side of the door pointing and focusing on taking the point up, across, backdown and backwards up across and back down, again and again for 10 minutes twice per day, imagining someone forcing their way in and peeling off one side or another. It's your choice to be a slave or a victim......or not.
You know the ATF isn’t showing up in the hood. Too dangerous to confront criminals with stolen guns where the crime is actually happening.
true
Its why our kids are still killing each other in the streets the government doesn't care
Will be a fun pattern to point out one day. Hopefully there will be an audience who still cares by then.
@@qaaa6759 I would prefer it never reaches that point
It's easier and safer to confront an old man and his wife at 3 AM. Sometimes they get the address incorrect, because the atf is the bottom of the barrel.
I couldn't help but notice that in the ATF training footage that they cut out the part where they shoot your dog.
Everyone knows that's in there, there's no use trying to hide it.
And that's when me sending flying projectiles would commence.
One good dog is worth 10 ATF agents . Play stupid games, win stupid prizes ATF clowns .
Oh, and the one where they shoot your wife as she holds your baby. Or, the ones where they bring fire cannons and burn every structure and every living person within it to the ground.
We have a 2ndA for one reason and this agency looks like it’s THE REASON!
Guns are only good for protecting yourself from criminals. You have 0 chance against government.
Destruction of private property should be a crime regardless of whether it’s an agent or not.
It is not a crime when lawfully executing "police powers" BUT is IS a tort (for which civil liability attaches under Due Process).
Not a "Takings", but a constitutional tort of a Due Process violation.
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You can recover as a Due Process violation.
So NOT rely on a "Takings Clause" claim.
See LEO LECH case in the Tenth Circuit ---
www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/19/19-1123/137798/20200311120118642_39352%20pdf%20Gammon%20app.pdf
It is the problem is the bs qualified immunity
@@konnorj6442
"bs qualified immunity"
The only bs part of qualified immunity is that courts are currently allowed to skip step #1
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Qualified Immunity us a proper doctrine but it was broken when SCOTUS started allowing courts to skip step #1
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STEP #1 was mandatory after Saucier v. Katz, 533 U.S. 194, 201 (2001) but in 2009, SCOTUS mucked it up. Pearson v. Callahan, 555 U.S. 223 (2009) at III :
"On reconsidering the procedure required in Saucier, we conclude that, while the sequence set forth there is often appropriate, it should no longer be regarded as mandatory. The judges of the district courts and the courts of appeals should be permitted to exercise their sound discretion in deciding which of the two prongs of the qualified immunity analysis should be addressed first in light of the circumstances in the particular case at hand."
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In my opinion, it is long past time to fix that error and return to mandating step #1 for the lower courts.
Which is exactly why they all need to wear body cams: evidence you can get through a FOIA.
@@omnigma good luck with that. Some states have ridiculous laws about not turning over body camera footage or the laws don’t punish cops for deletions of evidence which we call obstruction of justice in most places. I’ve been saying for years that body cams need to be 100% required for any cop to step a single toe outside their locker room. Every single aspect of their duty should be monitored and recorded without their input. Intensionally covering or disabling body cams and/or car cams should be a fine of a felony obstruction charge. They should be uploading to a hard drive in the car until the car is back at the station where it uploads to a cloud that no one in local law enforcement has access to delete. The video should be any cop’s evidence for a crime they witnessed. The word of law enforcement is garbage and nothing they say in court should be believed under any circumstances without video evidence to back it up. They are all liars and thieves. We know that. All footage should be available to the public within one week of recording. Full stop. No more hiding the crimes of criminals behind investigative pretense.
So, ATF at houses & IRS being armed.....hmmm wonder why??
What happened to Blue lives matter? What if these agents fear for their lives? I'm sorry weren't these the same officers that the Leftists were trying to defund a few years ago?
Maybe the leftists are _right..._
"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary" - Karl Marx
To get ambushed?
Show us your tax stamps.
Yay; I'm a slave.
@@PhinAI not quite a slave, but definitely a subject.
Remember Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge? The ATF displayed textbook examples of entrapment and falsifying records.
Exactly
The current judge is probably signed off on plenty of warts. All they got to do is get one before they leave already signed and fill it out on the way there.
murdered a 14 yr old shot em in the back and Waco they murdered 27! kids yes kids in Waco
The fact that the government can do thousands of dollars of damages to your property in a search, and you have little to no chance of recovering that regardless of what they found or didn't find, is horrifying and MUST be addressed by our legislature!
DAMN RIGHT !
@@jmax8692 i will if it ever happens to me :)
Gotta be addressed by the people violently, that's all they understand
@@HthePro1there's only one way tyranny is stopped
Regulated Militia
We are not in State custody
Conscription!!!!
It is laughable that they think the general population isnt training for the same type of events.
Body camera footage on ATF officers will go missing just like local law enforcement body cam footage if there's any chance the ATF is in the wrong 😡
I think if footage goes missing in any law enforcement scenarios and anything gets challenged, which the video would pertain to, should automatically be decided in favor of the citizen.
Citizen: "he totally planted those drugs on me"
Cop: "sorry, the bodycam footage went missing, but trust me bro, I didn't"
Judge: "due to missing bodycam footage, this case and charges are now dropped"
This would ensure that cams stay on and functional
Or they will conveniently forget to turn it on.
@@Batmann_ I do like this option, the same with muting the body camera. I will go one further. If the video vanishes, is muted, or camera not turned on, a civil rights lawsuit should have the burden of proof flipped with a presumption of guilt and the official having to prove they did not violate the civilian’s rights.
Waco and ruby ridge... they have a great track record.
@ẞatman Surprised to see comments like this given the history of the generel 2A diehard audience knowing this would let off a lot of brown skinned individuals. Let's hope you keep that same energy.
If "supposed" ATF came to my house (even with a warrant) and I have no clue as to why, I'd call the police and not let them in until officers arrive to verify the credentials. You can't be to sure of anything these days. Scammers are everywhere.
And while the door is being blown in with a battering ram you reply, "I'm on the phone, do you mind?".
You would then be accused of stalling to destroy evidence and will most likely be shot to death along with your pets, farm animals, spouse, children and elderly relatives if they are there. Then all your assets including your real estate (used in YOUR CRIME) is stolen by the "righteous US Govt of Jesus Christ" and value added to their coffers for year-end bonuses, etc.
They are being trained to overreact.
Screaming at people helps to intimidation results.
After all, when they come screaming to your door in the dead of night, ARE YOU GOING TO OPEN THE DOOR?
I CAN TELL YOU THIS:
I am not opening my door to a bunch of bad-ass wanna-be people in the dark.
Warrant or not.
Or you could turn on the lights.
@@deker0954 …… and the Claymores😃
@@davek5027 waste of munitions.
Our government actually sickens me when I see what they want to do to law abiding citizens I feel bad for anyone that is so desperate for a job that they would work for the ATF
Desperate for a job, or desperate for power?
The folks who apply to the AFT are not desperate for a job, they're desperate for something else.
Regulated Militia
We are not in State custody
Conscription!!!!
when I retired from the military, I promised never to work for the government again
You just wait the military is training for
COG and none stop marshal law and war. The atf thinks they are going to take all guns first. Not happening.
It’s like a race between the ATF and the IRS.
1) Do not open the door. If you do they will try to look past you to find a reason to force their way into your house without a warrant. 2) Tell them you do not answer questions from law enforcement. Tell them to leave your property that they are tresspassing. Tell them to leave a card and you will have your lawyer call them. Do not be fooled by their cordiality Biden's solders are NOT there as friends.
'Fraid I'll hafta forgo the leave a card part. Can barely afford my bills, sure as hell can't afford a lawyer.
If the govt sets foot on your property without a warrant and seeking information about a violation of law . . . RECORD!!! And then FILE LAWSUIT for the Fourth Amendment violation.
We need to get the Fourth Amendment "implied license" mess cleared up in SCOTUS jurisprudence.
Sample Petition --- >
www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20-1299/172375/20210322114341096_20210322-113846-95753073-00003978.pdf
Ask for a warrant. If given one, read it. If no warrant, tell them you do not give permission but will not interfere.
deker095, here in IN, state law gives every homeowner the right to use deadly force if a LEO is operating illegally. To attempt a search without a warrant IS illegal.
@@deker0954 If they do have a warrant, they aren't asking permission.
Thumbs up if you think our founders would have never let it get this far 👍
They didn’t in April 1775. Dane scenario: British regulars marching to capture possible rebel arms in Concord. Stopped at Lexington by those very same arms in the hands of a “Well-Regulated Militia.
To be fair it is OUR job to not let tyranny happen. Americans have complied themselves into a communist corner and we CAN NOT vote your way out of this.
@@Weidjeep so easy to become complacent when things are good.
Good times make for weak men
Weak men make for bad times
Bad times make for strong men
Strong men make for good times
Our Founders Would Not Have Let The ATF, FBI, IRS, DCF, UN, NIH, CDC, FDA, CIA, NSA, Department Of Health, Or The Department Of Education Be Established In The First Place.
Our Founders Would Not Have Let Our Military Go Woke Either.
@@ChristianConstitutionalist3192 why have we then I'm at a loss wrapping my mind around modern Americans but I'm a terrorist for abiding by the constitution
The ATF is not empowered to do the things they say they can. Rules are not laws.
Since when is the ATF a police force ? Also, what happened to Pelosi's "intruder" from a few months ago ?
Rules have the force of law. Congress ceded power to the various agencies of government. play it smart or you will find yourself in a real jam. Destroyed property will be the least of your problems.
@@2pugman 💀🤨😂😂😂 you will never hear more about the intruder , the only thing he was intruding was Paul’s a$$
@@deker0954 The problem with that is Congress cannot lawfully cede their power to bureaucracies as it's unconstitutional.
@@deker0954 that's were you are 100% incorrect. Congress (as per the constitution) cannot cede their powers to a division(s) in the executive branch. Therefore, any RULE that violates the US Constitution as per the constitution; "any rule, law or order that is in conflict with the constitution is NULL and VOID as if it never existed and it is your duty to disobey such violation and such action is not allowed to be enforced by any government agent" Any government agent that comes to your home to confiscate any legally purchased weapon under the guise that that weapon(s) is no longer legal to own, is in violation of the constitution and therefore does NOT have the rule of law behind them for such action.
Any time law enforcement asks "Do you mind if" they are setting you up for a trap.
I don't answer the door. I identify as innocent and deaf
I identify as Ukraine please send me tanks.
@@kevinclause4p55p5 And RPGs. And AKs.
@@ScrappyXFL my local police (and all law enforcement in Arkansas to my knowledge) refuses to cooperate with ATF. We're supposed to call the locals to deal with them, which would honestly be hilarious to watch.
@@kevinclause4p55p5 Many tanks to you, and ya velcome!
@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 nice. Not sure how my town is. We are red minus the state
I like how their drills seem to depict an aggravated intoxicated suspect out in the open when in reality I don’t think there home visits are gonna go anything like that
To be real a lot of people if not most will end up complying but in the case there is a somebody willing to risk it all i doubt it’s gonna go like that. They’d be better off training with Keanu if they truly wanna be prepared
@The Guns and glory Show facts mann
just call your local sheriffs office and tell them theres a man impersonating an officer with a gun trying to enter your house
@@KeweenawPatriot read The Montana Vigilantes by Thomas Dinsdale. They knew what to do with a corrupt sheriff.
It's a historical account of events. Nonfiction
It's taught about as often as The Battle of Athens in government schools
Sherrif deputies, city cops and feds dislike having anything to do with the atf ...whom they consider to be ignorant and substandard.
Ohio, Columbus PD will do it again?
Yeah, and say you heard him scream he's going to the nearest school once he finishes robbing you.
YUP, EXACTLY!!!!!
A- No warrant (1) don't open the door. (2) don't talk to them. (3) get a good lawyer. B- Warrant (1) make it clear you don't consent (2) check the warrant (3) don't interfere (4) get a good lawyer.(5) Make no further statements
Body cam footage will only be released when it’s in their favor. They also know that they will turn it on/off and mute the mic at their discretion!
That Sucks ! ...should be illegal !
Steven you are correct sir. It SHOULD be illegal. Body cam's should be made to were they come on when they get out of there car. They should not be able to be tampered with. Like turning off when THEY want to. How convenient for them.
They scrutinize the video after to determine which ones make them look good and to destroy the ones that make them look bad.
What a coincidence, we're ALL training for unwanted guests...
The ATF better take into consideration the fact that #1. We are not just going to turn over whatever it is they are after. #2, we have friends. #3 Our friends know who we are & are vigilant to whatever is happening & where. The ATF better remember there may be OVERWHELMING fire power.
But do you know who your friends are?? That's why the ATF has undercover agents.
Doubt it. Red flag seizures happen everyday, and there’s no gathering of patriots for any of them.
We have a backhoe density of about ten per square mile and lots of empty space to make holes.
Not to mention they also have homes, family and friends.
#4 some states, such as mine, have made it illegal for local and state police to assist the ATF in enforcing all unconstitutional firearm laws… so good luck fedbois… not even the local PD will support your nonsense.
I’m training to protect my self from tyrants.
My nephew recently left the Coast guard after 11+ years of service (his commanding officer told him he couldn't be promoted because he was a white male). He told me approximately 4 years ago they, and the other military services had been training to fight civilians.
don't be fooled....we will absolutely side with the republicans (Americans) and the constitution. we will decimate the DEMS if it comes to it
CPL USMC
😂
Yeah they're gonna use our brown 🟤 replacements as weapons against us.. the true Americans
That all really became the focus during the Clinton administration , straight or white were never going to be allowed to climb the ladder.
I was in the marines and we shot paper targets with a picture of a white guy wearing sunglasses holding an ak. This basically means we are training to kill white armed men with a certain affinity for sunglasses
I wonder if they trained for body cameras at Ruby Ridge and Waco?!?!
Speaking of Ruby Ridge and Waco it’s almost like we are in desperate need of about a thousand or more quiet and intelligent Tim’s scattered across the country willing and capable of spanking them. They are long overdue!
I'd say the ATF was training at Ruby Ridge on how to conduct entrapment and falsifying records, among other things...
They are training for door to door confiscation
Finally someone that gets exactly what this is.
Not happening
It will be Ruby Ridge every where in rural America
@@geraldblake6537 no there will be people that will just give them up the sheep!
They should have read a US History book instead of wasting their time and our money.
Glad I live in a county with a sheriff that actually defends the people from jackbooted ATF thugs.
Where that?
Only one election away from tyranny.
No they wont lol
I hope nobody packs 60lbs of tannerite in taxidermied dogs...
Hahahahahaha!!!!
Sometimes training falls apart in real life situations Be Safe Everyone
Tom said "I hope they don't end in shootouts." I recommend he read The Gulag Archipelago by Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
Well put Sir!
- Godspeed
"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary" - Karl Marx
@@WanderingExistence He uses the term "workers" in place of people. Karl Marx crafted much evil.
- Godspeed
@@WanderingExistence Wow... something I agree with from a commie. 😂
@@Blue-Gold_Crusader Hey man, I'm just here to build bridges, lmao.
You might also agree with a lot of the works of George Orwell and how he criticizes authoritarian governments, he was also a democratic socialist.
Well the ATF went to Ruby Ridge And Waco and a bunch of other places in the past. How did those encounters turn out?
I like how the Branch Dividians handled the ATF
A great explanation as to why you should question everything you read or hear on the internet. Great job guys shedding light on this.
The problem with a “voluntary encounter” is that just cuz you stopped the encounter, doesn’t mean the police just won’t keep on and on basically harassing you if they want to.
Notice how the ATF agent being interviewed said "WHEN they see it in real life..." rather than "If"? Will definitely be calling the sheriff's department and state troopers. TX state troopers are usually pretty level headed and fair, at least in my experience.
The Gustapo training to take constitutionally own firearms by force.
Yes, we need to organize nationally under one command structure.
@@Blgtn43 just make simple defund and strip any powers they have to regulate firearms it’s very clear “ SHALL NOT BE INGRAINED “ it is as clear as day there is no other interpretation. Anything else it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL period.
@@Blgtn43 we already have a command structure starts with the commander and chief.. and downwards. .. I am a bit confused 🫤 what you mean … the 2A DOES NOT NEED TO BE UNDER ANYTHING.
@@Blgtn43 like the proud boys? Because that ended so well? Glow somewhere else
@@BeltFedSelfDefense Nothing like the proud boys. Wake up.
We live in a police state. ,our rights barely matter any longer. You’re both right about don’t assist and don’t resist and asking for an attorney and your right to stay silent. Otherwise, you’re screwed. Let your attorney fight the battle in the courts later on.
We do not live in a police state.
@@deker0954 Have you heard of situations like Ruby Ridge? Entrapment, falsifying records, etc by the ATF and no accountability.
Would that be the same attorneys and courts that handled the 2016/2020 election process's? The Hunter Biden laptop issue? The Biden crime family issues? Or the ones that are busy trying to help pin garbage on DJT? You trust 'em I won't.
Well they sure messed up at Waco Texas.
Also Ruby Ridge
Too bad the ATF didn't have those body cameras during the Waco raid, ruby ridge
Attorney General Reno, would NEVER allow that footage to be shown. That's why the Front door went "missing" the feds came in with guns blazing, murdered Koresh's Father when he opened the door. The B.D. only started shooting back when they were attacked. The local Sheriff stated that he could have gone to the compound, or had Korean respond at anytime. Also the Feds brought in the Military, A violation of the Posse Comitus Act, unless the Governor gives permission, and pumped Flammable C.S. gas via an armored battle tank, and then set fire to the place. I don't think they burned themselves and the children. I also think the child abuse narrative was a false one. And the same FBI sniper, Ron Honashu ( spelling?) was there, he's the one who murdered Randy Weavers wife, Vicky (?) while holding an infant. The Government crimes of Waco & Ruby Ridge, happened under another corrupt and treasonous demonrat president, Bill Clinton. Many say that Killary was behind the Waco incident, urging Bill to be tougher on gun owners. I'm recalling this from memory, Soldier of Fortune, did some great investigation on both of these incidents. I also had friends in Law Enforcement, who knew Deaver, the guy at Ruby Ridge, his fellow rent a cop, from Cape Cod, Ma. took out the Weaver's Dog, who discovered them hiding in the bushs. He shot the dog, Deaver stood up to I.D. young Weaver shot Deaver, and they shot Randy's Son. But that story is for another day.
Koresh ! damn spell check
I had Los Angeles County Sheriff deputies bang on my door, stating they had a warrant. I asked to see the warrant. The response was "we don't have to show you the warrant, you are not the owner of the property" Is that California thing? Long story short, they left without arresting me. They found nothing. Since I was not arrested, a lawyer told me I had no right to inquire about the warrant. Where it came from, the affidavit filed to get the warrant, or who claimed I was committing crime in my house. Completely outrageous.
They're using GPT 3.5, it passed the BAR exam at the bottom 10%. GPT 4 passes in the top 10%.
Atf comes to my house it’s definitely ending in a shootout
We should be worried. They litterally showing us they're training to come get us
Wait, are you telling me the correct response isn't to release the claymore roomba?
THAT IS A JOKE
Now that is funny
Don’t draw it or else it goes from a joke to a felony.
They better be really careful with their plans.
They are.
Join your local militias. Don't answer your door if they come knocking.
@@Zildjian-gj6gf Local militias are probably comprised of at least 25% feds lol
Most country folks ain't going to stand for it.
ATF Agents: We wanna see your guns.
Me: *flexes biceps*
ATF Agents: Nice! Where do you workout?
Your moms house.
@@tonyzone8999 🤣🤣🤣and she always has plenty of Bud Light in the fridge.
😂😂😂😂😂
If they say "We noticed you purchased a...or some firearms recently", apparently they were on the books purchases, LEGALLY, and they'd have no business being there in the first place.
been a member of USCCA for a long while...always good to hear information passed on to us..Live in Arizona, away from many trouble spots, I think....but having a lawyer I can call makes a lot of sense, and eases ones mind..thanks Tom and Kevin.......steve..I also have a local attorney who is really well -versed in 2a items...but if something happened at a strange hour, rest assured, I would be calling YOU Tom.....(hoping we didn't wake you up).haha
Thank you for the support and for being in the USCCA Family, Steven!
Kind of odd that the FBI and ATF have a problem with losing film footage.
Perhaps call your local law enforcement to see if they assist you. I think my Sheriffs department would. Then I'd contact an attorney.
In the words of G. Gorden Liddy "Aim for their head or groan it's bullet proof behind the letters ATF"!!!
They are NOW integrating body cams? Like just now?! This should have been done a long time ago!
Problem that concerns me more is "it's time to turn them on" ... so what if an agent has "problems" turning it on?
About verifying the agent. Camera at the door does the job. And You don't need to verify if the badge is real - if the guy will not want to show the badge that would be a good reason not to open the door.
Don’t forget when it comes to the US Government, the process IS the punishment.
When the feds aren't allowed to keep records of sales, there's no way to actually go door-to-door without a complete repeal of the 4th Amendment.
Has someone submitted a freedom of information act request for the training bodycam footage?
I hope
Maybe your that guy. Do that and upload
The best defense you can have against unwarranted contact or invasions from police agencies is a fence with locked gates.
You do not have to speak to them and without a warrant, they have no right to enter your property. If you allow them to enter the curtilage on your property (porch, walkway, driveway, etc), they will often try to make voluntary contact and or obtain probable cause to enter your property and search.
The best way to avoid all of that, is to enclose the property line and secure it. Don't even allow them to encroach. Make them communicate by mail.
That training video was missing the Dog target training.
Also, why is there a on/off switch, on the camera, the the agent can use?
They go after criminals after they commit several crimes. But are very proactive when going after law-abiding citizens.
I wish them the best of luck 👍🏻
Eye for an eye. If the door gets busted in that's the hill I will die on. What are they gonna say? This guy hasn't had a traffic ticket in over 10 years, never been arrested. Myself and family have been in law enforcement for over 25 years.
One do not open your door, two call a laywer tell them your exerciseing your rights to remain silent and do you have a earrent for search.
Are those level 4 plates? 😅
No law. No warrant. No compliance
When are they going to be defunded?
Bearcats, flashbangs, shields, body armor head to toe, and spooky scary “machine guns”, what do they have to be afraid of?
All that to take care of one guy.
Not saying ive been training specifically for the ATF, but what i train for just happens to be effective for the ATF, im no criminal but im ready to take anyone out. just that simple when you want to do me or my rights any harm.
I can't believe we have gotten to this. Sad times in America.
What happens when they knock,and you don't answer the door?
Do they bust your door down,if you aren't home?
That is only after they shoot your dog.
If they are fishing for info, they'll leave a business card. If they have a warrant, the door is definitely coming down
They know where you are.
@@deker0954 facts everyone who has a gun is being watched , best believe
If you have a cell phone, they know exactly where it is. You are probably in the same vicinity so...
I hope they are training to verify the address of the house.
I'm reading right now that a federal court judge in Oklahoma ruled that banning people that use marijuana from possessing firearms is unconstitutional
That training won’t be enough, we are better than them 😂
Out of shape Bubba with his thin blue line shirt and let's go brandon hat won't stand a chance.
I find it fascinating many people actually think the majority of gun owners are mentally prepared to fire at the police.
@@nathanlamont9920 only would need to be 1% there glowie lol
@Nathan Lamont an atf agent was shot in the face in the south side of Chicago by a gang member....I wouldn't judge a person by what they look like or what they arent capable of.
@@nathanlamont9920
See, here's how it'll go down. Those clowns in costumes will be taking orders for a paycheck, us on the other hand will be fighting for our livelihoods and to protect our families. Huge difference in morale there buddy. And don't think for a second that we're all out of shape slobs. Many of us are highly trained combat veterans that are still in great shape, from snipers to medics and everything in between. So go on with your bad self and keep your head up your ass, whatever people like you feel the need to do to make yourselves feel better. When they come, it won't last long.
@@nathanlamont9920 One word is tripping you up... *majority.
Looks like they are training for soft targets. You know law abiding citizens with families in suburban and rural areas. Doesn't look like they are training for Tito and Ray Ray in the inner city apartment complexes.
I suggest you separate some of your weapons off site so you have some left should there be a second visit later down the road and the first visit went down unjustly.
I heard many already say, “They better have said goodbye to their friends and families”.
Can you say "Waco" everyone?
And what did you do about it? Lol
@@WanderingExistence I know you'll be offering them drinks of their choice and probably offering them your wife or girlfriend too.
@@fleatactical7390 Didn't David Koresh have child wives/ GIRLfriends?
@@WanderingExistence Yes, what does that have to do with the ATF? He didn't offer them up like you will when they come knocking.
Of course, they won't bother stopping at your house... you're a good little puppet.
Perhaps the ATF will welcome some post-event scrutiny of, say, Ruby Ridge or Waco. I won’t hold my breath.
If the atf comes to your door and you don’t answer can they break in? I don’t have anything illegal but this stuff is scary
ATF (FBI) already showed us how competent they are at handling simple warrants (e.g., Branch Davidian cult massacre). Changed my trust of those two agencies (FBI total mismanagement of the debacle). Reputations of the FBI and the ATF are forever damaged in my opinion. I am not much interested in firearms in the first place, nor do I care about cult groups, but after looking into the facts surrounding the Waco Massacre, both agencies lost my trust (e.g., contacting the media beforehand just to showboat, abusing a reporter who was sent to cover their media stunt which quickly turned into a debacle of their own creation, people died on both sides unnecessarily, deciding to go on with the "raid" when their cover was blown, ignoring the local Sheriff's wise advise to just talk to them in the first place, using military helicopters with mounted machineguns....). No one from either agency saw prison time for the unnecessary deaths they caused. Worst of all evidence "disappeared", like pages from officer's field notes, the front door to the compound (which would have shown the direction of the bullets). As I recall, after the massacre was over, the feds sent "cleaners" into the compound to remove whatever possible evidence might be left over. They apparently didn't want independent investigator sniffing around. I think both agencies have proven they are worthless and should be disbanded. The states can handle crime much more professionally and efficiently with less cost to the taxpayer.
Wish I could literally give you both and this vid like 20 thumbs up.
So if I have not broken any laws and they come to my door with a warrant, your advice is to tell them to go search for what they want without my help, knowing that they’ll likely break some stuff and I’ll never get compensated for it. If they ask to see my guns, and I know my guns are legal, am I not potentially saving myself thousands of dollars in damages if I just show them my guns? The comments are going to crucify my for asking this, but I feel it is a valid question. If my choices are to comply and not have my house wrecked or not comply and have my house wrecked, how am I supposed to react? It’s messed up that this is even a question, and shows that the system is really unfair.
That is the lay of the land.
I'm willing to bet they will be hiring new employees daily until people catch on. 😂😂
Yea well my family train to take out tyrants.
You'll get used up.
@deker095 what is that supposed to mean? You'll get used up!
@@bluecollarbiker8005 It means he’s a glowie.
@Dave K I guess he likes to take it up the ass by the government too. 🤣
So a good idea is to have a camera at the front door with two way audio will help to identify who is approach the house. Also these camera's can help deter anyone from breaking in to the house outside of the video content. As for the chatgpt section I wouldn't follow anything chatgpt says as it isn't true ai right now and learns based off whatever material is presented to it.
I kinda hope they try lmao they seem to have us confused with Canadians.
How do you know they have a warrant or not! Twenty-five years ago, I had three men in suits bang on my front door and said they had a search warrant for a friend of mine and have to search my home. I asked for ID and to see the warrant. They showed me three private detective badges and a warrant that all looked real to me. As I was looking at the warrant, they burst through my door and threw me up against the wall. One of them held me against the wall while the other two ran threw my home. After about five to eight minutes, they left. As I watched them drive away, I noticed I still had the warrant in my hand. I walked through my home to see if anything was broken or missing. Then sat down and looked threw the warrant. I noticed there was no signature written in where the judge was supposed to sign. I called my police precinct and told them what just happened, and they said they knew of no warrant and I should call a major Sparkes that was in charge of Special Investigations, which did. He said he didn't know of a warrant being out for my friend or one put out for my address. For years, I have wondered how you can tell if a warrant is real or not! Should I've asked for a uniformed police officer be present first!? How can you tell if a warrant is real or not! Ever since then, I keep some firepower near each door! How do you know if it's a real warrant or not!??
[[ How can you tell if a warrant is real or not! ]]
In the moment, you can't, so you have toi take them at their word and then address it later if it was not real.
ALWAYS RECORD.
And record yourself saying "I am NOT consenting to any search, but if you have a valid warrant I will not obstruct you from searching."
Private dicks are not LE and cannot get a valid warrant. You were had.
The P.I. badges where the first give away. What you described was a home invasion, not a law enforcement action.
Don’t worry we’ve been training too. And for a longer time 3:26
If I am outside, unarmed or armed and not drawn, and I retreat to my house, can they consider that probable cause?
I find this alarming. Training has begun in Detroit, ironically at the same time red flag legislation is being drawn up in michigan.
Actually, you can choose to not let them in, but you'll also deal with the repercussions if you don't. You always have a choice.
It’s funny how they are training to encounter only one perpetrator. There couldn’t possibly be multiple armed suspects.
Seems like the ATF decided to not care about the first 2 letters and only focus on the ONLY one that’s a protected right
Can you call your local Sherrif if they did show up? Mostly to identify the situation to be official and legitimate? Some local Sherrif's are very pro 2A, I'd be curious how they would respond to them being in their county.
Here is one example of how that went for someone who did that. I would say it worked in their favor. By the way, the last time I checked the ATF agents lawsuit got no where due to laws that protect law enforcement, even when they are in the wrong.
ruclips.net/video/YOInYwP8-Es/видео.html
Get a ring camera. It's like $50, and could save your life. You need to be able to see who's on your porch before you open the door.
As always...a great informative discussion. Thanks a bunch, guys!!