After I saw 'The Last Starfighter' I thought that I had seen the first movie of a franchise. I also remember looking for the 'Starfighter' game in arcades. And yes, I am aware of just how much I have dated myself.
Kira essentially used the Jem'Hadar's/Vorta's unquestioning loyalty of the Founders against them ...... the Founder CLEARLY was the one that put in place the order for Cardassians not to carry weapons on Dominion ships. so there is NO way a Founder would hand a rifle to a Cardassian soldier. especially on the bridge of a Jem'Hadar ship,
Well, yeah...that's what happens in warfare, deception is its central tenet. Seriously does any of the above surprise you?? You're rather stating the obvious dude.
@@spacemonkey1776b Odo was suffering from severe effects of the changeling disease, and his ability to shapeshift was severely compromised. If you watch the original show, you'll see more about it in this scene.
When I saw that founder leader step onto the bridge, i thought for sure she regconize Kira. I was shock to see it was Odo...that was too close and exciting
@@IPSStacks I am referring to the scene in which Kira is pretending to be a Vorta. She is speaking English, not Vortese. You would think they'd catch on to that, even with universal translators.
Why didn't Odo 'become' the vorta woman? He can also mimic voices. Oh wait, wasn't it the case he couldn't imitate complex humanoids? I think i remember that. Still, the voice...
I just realized that was Neroon from Babylon 5, yes? It's interesting that the Cardassians suffered much the same fate as the Centauri. Danced with the Devil, only to get burned.
2:51 We all stan Garak, but he’s hardly quick on the draw here like a spaceman Charles Bronson - four seconds he takes to leisurely gun them all down. Luckily those super soldier Jem’Hadar have the reflexes of stoned sloths.
So, Odo is a frigging shapeshifter and they rely on Major Kira’s ability to fake another persons voice and mannerisms? What sense does that make? Earlier in the same scene, Odo mimicked a female founder, including voice, convincingly.
@@tremedarYep and Kira knew it, and so did Garak. It didn’t have to be said out loud. Also, Odo had melded with The Female so it’s not surprising he could replicate how she chose to appear as a humanoid, whereas he’d never met this Vorta before. Kira had heard her voice, they disabled the cam feed so it was a decent plan.
Had the Federation mined the wormhole and established a solid military alliance with the Klingons and the Romulans the day the Dominion took over the Cardassian Union, they could have won the war faster and with much fewer casualties. Instead, they allowed the Dominion to estalish a foothold and become the dominant super-power in the Alpha Quadrant before they took action. It's like the Trek writers all read Sun Tzu's 'Art of War' and thought 'What is the exact opposite of what he would advise?'
Well that's a pretty daft argument don't you think? Not to mention that the writers WROTE the story that way with the express idea of the war being a plot arc lol
There are a million ways the Trek writers could have developed the Dominion War story arc and have it continue without having the Federation, Klingons, and Romulans blunder their way through the war. An obvious possibility would be a Dominion campaign in the Gamma Quadrant that brings them close to the Wormhole and prompts the Federation to form an alliance with the Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians to stop the Dominion before they invade the Alpha Quadrant. A military expedition into the Gamma Quadrant could have been exciting and could have lasted multiple seasons. But developing a story arc based on incompetence is a lazy way to write. Furthermore, it made no sense. The Klingons and Romulans have large interstellar empires, you'd think they would know better than to fight a war of attrition against an enemy that uses clone soldiers. The Federation had a lot of enemies, you'd think they could prepare for war. As for almost losing a war against the Dominion, Jem'Hadarr can only subsist on one form of nourishment, an easy enough supply chain to break, and only two officers on Jem'Hadarr warships could see what was happening outside, lots of blind spots to exploit. A first year military academy cadet could come up with a thousand ways to defeat the Dominion and still have time to get to his next class.
@@johncmeyer5832 Well, there are a few problems with that line of thinking. First off is that the Federation didn't even know how to properly mine the wormhole when the Dominion first appeared and there's nothing that could have stopped them from sending a few dud ships through then sending a fleet en masse if they really wanted to; obviously when the self-replicating mines were introduced that was a whole different ballgame. I'm also pretty sure there are a good few member species of the Federation who were more peace oriented and would massively protest the mining as (rightly so) an act of aggressive first strikes. As for an alliance between Klingons and Romulans with the Federation, well the Romulans would have flat-out sneered at the idea that the Dominion could affect their glorious empire so much, you forget how much effort it actually took to get them involved in the first place and how close they actually got to signing up with the Dominion as an ally. As for the Klingons, granted they would probably be begrudgingly accepting of the idea to go on an offensive campaign, but seeing as it would've just involved protecting the wormhole, I can't see them putting much manpower towards that effort because of the wormhole being in Bajoran space. But that's the biggest thing you're forgetting about a theoretical military expedition; the Federation ISN'T an aggressive alliance! In fact up until The Dominion War the next biggest war the Federation have had was the Earth-Romulan war some 200 year prior! The Feds have skirmishes often enough with outside species, but not a fully blown years lasting war. And as for the whole thing about winning the war faster, you're forgetting one massive thing: hindsight is 20:20. Of course looking back on what has happened is going to make you smack your head and go "why didn't they do X instead of Y?" If the Federation knew what the Dominion were going to do of course they would have done a lot better in a warring state. Arguing that the story arc was based on lazy writing due to the story unfolding for incompetence sake when it was based on real world policies is the maraschino cherry on top.
Those mini heads-up displays remind me of The Last Starfighter. After the Ko-Dan flagship's engines are disabled: "What do we do now?" "We die."
@@scottc9757could honestly be the same prop.
After I saw 'The Last Starfighter' I thought that I had seen the first movie of a franchise. I also remember looking for the 'Starfighter' game in arcades. And yes, I am aware of just how much I have dated myself.
We all old.
@@johncmeyer5832 Did Geloca think the Yulus were too ugly to save?
@@scottc9757 exactly. My fave is still the communicator in Star Wars been the then new Gillette shaver for your legs
Nana Visitor looked so good with that hairdo and that uniform.
Nana Visitor look so good. fuil stop didnt matter what she wore. lol
Hottie with the body!
@@Jipsydude Yeah she is special.
The Breen Weapon
A big laser that goes BREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNN when fired.
😄
P A T H E T I C ! ! !
I mean, if the Federation consoles suddenly started blasting dubstep that would definitely be a distraction~
Kira essentially used the Jem'Hadar's/Vorta's unquestioning loyalty of the Founders against them ...... the Founder CLEARLY was the one that put in place the order for Cardassians not to carry weapons on Dominion ships. so there is NO way a Founder would hand a rifle to a Cardassian soldier. especially on the bridge of a Jem'Hadar ship,
Well, yeah...that's what happens in warfare, deception is its central tenet. Seriously does any of the above surprise you?? You're rather stating the obvious dude.
2:58 How rude that he didn't tell her what he thought of the new upgraded plasma rifle.
Hey its the actor that played the Borg Drone on Voyager that was from the future.
Good catch!
The guard that took their weapons?
Nice bro!
I was just about to ask that question!
I hardly breathed the first time I saw this scene.
Why didn't Oto step in? He can be literally anything
@@spacemonkey1776b Odo was suffering from severe effects of the changeling disease, and his ability to shapeshift was severely compromised. If you watch the original show, you'll see more about it in this scene.
DS9 is just so fucking good man
Better than Star Trek: The Next Generation
Not better. But surely good
I HATED DS9 when it first came out but DAMN, I grew to love it. Just amazing
Nice Vorta ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤👍👍👍👍👍🥰🥰🥰😍😍😍😍
Anyone know the Actress name ???
wait wait wait wait... Pause at 0:42.. Is he the same actor that did the future borg drone??.. I am correct it is Paul Boehmer..
A "breen" weapon? It shoots Swedish meatballs???
A weapon that disable most space ships in the Alpha quadrant except for the Klingons.
@@Jaxvidstar The reference was to a scene from "Babylon 5"
Odo was Kira's handcuffs?
Kinky.
The smile on Garak's face was legend.
When I saw that founder leader step onto the bridge, i thought for sure she regconize Kira. I was shock to see it was Odo...that was too close and exciting
This is FUCKIN STAR TREK. None of the new bullshit!!!
What new BS are u talking about?
Discovery, I guess
@@FekalistaGrzybowory-lz8lh huh. Well, anytime I read a comment like the OP, just makes me want to see it more 🤷😁
The cgi is better then today??
Good thing everyone speaks English in the Gamma quadrant!
universal translator.
Babel fish… 😏
@@seacube3 I get that reference.
New to star trek lol?
@@IPSStacks I am referring to the scene in which Kira is pretending to be a Vorta. She is speaking English, not Vortese. You would think they'd catch on to that, even with universal translators.
Ah, the ole fake prisoner routine, a classic from a long time ago, and far far away.
Why didn't Odo 'become' the vorta woman? He can also mimic voices. Oh wait, wasn't it the case he couldn't imitate complex humanoids? I think i remember that. Still, the voice...
He can't do humanoid faces convincingly
He was sick at the time and could barely hold his shape. Kira knew it, and impersonating the Founder was difficult enough.
I don't know Star Trek. I was hoping they would transmit Fateful Findings over to the alien ships and make everyone too confused to fight back.
4:28 We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
I just realized that was Neroon from Babylon 5, yes? It's interesting that the Cardassians suffered much the same fate as the Centauri. Danced with the Devil, only to get burned.
Good luck Leggett Dumar - says future borg.
I thought i recognised that face somewhere!
DS 9 my personal favorite in Star Trek
2:51 We all stan Garak, but he’s hardly quick on the draw here like a spaceman Charles Bronson - four seconds he takes to leisurely gun them all down. Luckily those super soldier Jem’Hadar have the reflexes of stoned sloths.
Why have Kira answer the phone when you have a LITERAL shapeshifter with you?
Odo was dying and changing shape exacerbated his condition. Kira probably instinctively rejected the idea of having him answer.
@@Saiyanprince1114ahh thanks for context. Vegeta #1.
0:50 I love that TV show
I watched DS9 several times, but I don’t remember this one for some reason
So, Odo is a frigging shapeshifter and they rely on Major Kira’s ability to fake another persons voice and mannerisms?
What sense does that make? Earlier in the same scene, Odo mimicked a female founder, including voice, convincingly.
Good catch!
At this point he'd been infected with the morphogenic virus, so he needed to keep his shifting to a minimum as every time they shift it gets worse.
@@tremedarYep and Kira knew it, and so did Garak. It didn’t have to be said out loud. Also, Odo had melded with The Female so it’s not surprising he could replicate how she chose to appear as a humanoid, whereas he’d never met this Vorta before. Kira had heard her voice, they disabled the cam feed so it was a decent plan.
Its repeatedly established that shapeshifting is very draining, and that he can't do humanoid faces very well.
They need to make a playable female vorta for jem Hadar faction on STO.
0:32 I genuinely believe that Nana V is trying really hard not to laugh at something
Made no sense that they didn't have Odo impersonate the Vorta.
VERY VERY GOOD so THANK YOU FOR THE RECAP ;
Why not have Odo shapeshift into the Vorta female's form? It worked when he impersonated The Founder.
Breen weapon aka old plasma torpedo.
Seems like anyone can just waltz into the bridge..😂😂
When I first watched this and saw the Female Founder come in, I was like "oh sh*t!" I didn't realize it was Odo at first.
is that a small cardassian shuttle? can't be an hideki class, should be bigger than a dominion bug/attack ship
Had the Federation mined the wormhole and established a solid military alliance with the Klingons and the Romulans the day the Dominion took over the Cardassian Union, they could have won the war faster and with much fewer casualties. Instead, they allowed the Dominion to estalish a foothold and become the dominant super-power in the Alpha Quadrant before they took action. It's like the Trek writers all read Sun Tzu's 'Art of War' and thought 'What is the exact opposite of what he would advise?'
Well that's a pretty daft argument don't you think? Not to mention that the writers WROTE the story that way with the express idea of the war being a plot arc lol
There are a million ways the Trek writers could have developed the Dominion War story arc and have it continue without having the Federation, Klingons, and Romulans blunder their way through the war. An obvious possibility would be a Dominion campaign in the Gamma Quadrant that brings them close to the Wormhole and prompts the Federation to form an alliance with the Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians to stop the Dominion before they invade the Alpha Quadrant. A military expedition into the Gamma Quadrant could have been exciting and could have lasted multiple seasons. But developing a story arc based on incompetence is a lazy way to write. Furthermore, it made no sense. The Klingons and Romulans have large interstellar empires, you'd think they would know better than to fight a war of attrition against an enemy that uses clone soldiers. The Federation had a lot of enemies, you'd think they could prepare for war. As for almost losing a war against the Dominion, Jem'Hadarr can only subsist on one form of nourishment, an easy enough supply chain to break, and only two officers on Jem'Hadarr warships could see what was happening outside, lots of blind spots to exploit. A first year military academy cadet could come up with a thousand ways to defeat the Dominion and still have time to get to his next class.
@@johncmeyer5832 Well, there are a few problems with that line of thinking.
First off is that the Federation didn't even know how to properly mine the wormhole when the Dominion first appeared and there's nothing that could have stopped them from sending a few dud ships through then sending a fleet en masse if they really wanted to; obviously when the self-replicating mines were introduced that was a whole different ballgame. I'm also pretty sure there are a good few member species of the Federation who were more peace oriented and would massively protest the mining as (rightly so) an act of aggressive first strikes.
As for an alliance between Klingons and Romulans with the Federation, well the Romulans would have flat-out sneered at the idea that the Dominion could affect their glorious empire so much, you forget how much effort it actually took to get them involved in the first place and how close they actually got to signing up with the Dominion as an ally. As for the Klingons, granted they would probably be begrudgingly accepting of the idea to go on an offensive campaign, but seeing as it would've just involved protecting the wormhole, I can't see them putting much manpower towards that effort because of the wormhole being in Bajoran space. But that's the biggest thing you're forgetting about a theoretical military expedition; the Federation ISN'T an aggressive alliance! In fact up until The Dominion War the next biggest war the Federation have had was the Earth-Romulan war some 200 year prior! The Feds have skirmishes often enough with outside species, but not a fully blown years lasting war.
And as for the whole thing about winning the war faster, you're forgetting one massive thing: hindsight is 20:20. Of course looking back on what has happened is going to make you smack your head and go "why didn't they do X instead of Y?" If the Federation knew what the Dominion were going to do of course they would have done a lot better in a warring state. Arguing that the story arc was based on lazy writing due to the story unfolding for incompetence sake when it was based on real world policies is the maraschino cherry on top.
Smart lit, with the shape shifter they'd be fine lol
"Another great day of saving the Breeeeeen"
Star Trek maybe maybe not.
The Breen are a Bit like Some ~ Where else that Start ' s with a J ;