2:10 - "You don't have the time? You don't have the _time??_ Oh please, you'll have to do better than that, Weyoun. If you want _my_ help, you'll have to convince me that galactic conquest leaves your people without a spare moment to deal with homegrown rebellions."
4:30 Except the structure is made of solid neutronium. Like the hull of the doomsday machine. So the only sure thing from "Nuke it from orbit" is "we did not penetrate their armor".
Since there were no Jem'Hadar females, it would have been impossible for them to procreate outside of their test-tube maturation methods. That would have given the Dominion the upper hand even if they went rogue.
Great job with this mash up. Amazing how 20 years after this show was on air, it still so popular today. Just amazes me. Show great it was and how clueless current generation is making the shows. Simple, character develpment and story is all that is needed with some good special effects. Now its all special effects with shitty story telling and no character development.
Was the stargate actually shown in the episode? If so, the 200,000 years ago time frame, would that coincide with the actual stargate timeframes with the ancients? Or was this just a fluff piece?
Even if the quantum torpedoes couldn't completely level the compound, it damned well would have taken out everything outside and probably most of whatever was inside. They would have starved them out of whatever was inside very quickly. Their Ketracel White supply would have run out and job done.
@4:03 actor Clarence Williams as the Jem'Hadar First Omet'iklan in this episode "To the Death" is just great. In his speaking and in his body language he conveys the pent-up tension we all come to associate with the ruthless shock troops of the Dominion.
I find it hard that the JemHadar rebelled. Something else was going on. From what I have seen the JemHadar are extremely compliant to the Founders. That Vorta was not telling the whole truth.even in this clip the JemHadar 1st confronts the Vorta about their loyalty!
They're addicted to the White and bred from birth to be ultra loyal to the Founders and the Dominion even with that it's not entirely surprising that some of them eventually rebelled given the numbers they must be produced in, though these small instances may well be isolated it's possible it's more common than they like to pretend.
It all started when one Jem'Hadar developed a mutation where he was no longer addicted to the white and was trying to wean his platoon off it through training. He killed his units Weyun and they all went rogue.
They also have been engineered to have a life expectancy of about 10 years, you could just wait for them to die out of old age. These are soldiers not engineers, especially since thier skills at engineering had allready been seen to be lacking. It makes you wonder, how does the dominion repair thier ships anyway?
@@JemHadar422 the episode where the defiant gets stranded on a planet with a Jem Hadar warship, and they couldn't fix thier communications. But we can account the vorta rationing the white to some of that.
@@Locutus494 We don't actually know how long the Iconians were around for, only that they died 200,000 years ago. There's very little that's actually known about them in canon.
They didn't want to destroy it, but couldn't risk it falling into Jem'Hadar _or_ Dominion hands. Instantaneous transport to any planet in the Quadrant (and beyond) is a staggering advantage. Even supposing they had taken it, it would have instantly forced the Dominion into a corner, escalating the war and resulting in massive casualties. After all, the Dominion killed 900,000,000 Cardassians in retribution for the Union defecting, imagine what they'd do if the Link itself was suddenly in perpetual danger no matter where they located it.
@@kw9849 actually the plan was to eliminate the Cardassians all along. The Dominion was using them to conquer the Alpha quadrant. Once completed..bye bye Cardies! “Your people were doomed the moment they attacked us”
Weyoun 4 said it best. "There's something to be said for soldiers who aren't afraid to die". Now I don't agree with this assessment all the time but imagine how many lives would have been saved if Starfleet had rammed the Borg cube at Wolf 359 from multiple angles simultaneously. Despite Picards knowledge and their ability to adapt I doubt a standard cube would be able to withstand the direct force of say 24 starships (nearly half the fleet) warp cores exploding plus the combined torpedoes on board, the size of the antimatter explosions on all sides (4 ships per side in a square formation top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right, all 6 sides) would surely destroy it.
yet a few blasts from Enterprise D whacked holes in the first Cube. Cube should have been ripped apart with 40 trico-bolts or 100 torpedoes and phasers firing all a once! Don't they have Nukes? A few shots in the same place from diff ships and different frequencies should have popped it. Should build better weapons or beam the bombs inside. Minigun firing plasma torpedoes that warp at target!!! Bathtub of red matter!!!!!
@@develynseether4426 I'm actually massively disappointed by what they did with the Borg in Voyager. They literally basically got rid of the entire original concept for this stupid beehive thing with the queen. The unfeeling uncaring singular consciousness of the Borg from their first encounter that gave such an incredible atmosphere is just completely destroyed cuz they feel like just another alien race that looks like people now. Their whole thing was that they didn't have any individuality that's like their whole fucking thing and then they just turn around and get rid of that in Voyager for some reason. Basically just turned them into the Dominion part 2
4:37 walls composed of solid neutronium..........now where have i heard that before? oh yes, STTOS "Doomsday Machine" wonder if the Iconians created that machine..............
No they are bad guys. Conquerors. The Ancients had a civil war with some becoming the Ori. Ascended but dark. Drew energy from worship. Like Apollo in TOS. Star Trek online devels into who they are and what they have been up to.They left this galaxy and when they returned it was bad news.
The Dominion’s species never learn and never change. The purpose of involving Sisko, instead of sending a fleet, in the Gateway Operation, was to infect Odo and force his return to his homeworld.
The White?! Wasn't that the stuff in that weird vampire show that ended a few years ago? Oh, what the hell was it called...The Strain! That's it. With Corey Stoll. I guess the writers were DS9 fans.
General rule in Star Trek is you can't attack when cloaked. Presumably you either can't fire at all, or if you DO try to fire when cloaked it has some kind of recoil that kills you.
@@robertmcintyre9023 I think typically, whenever a ship is cloaked, it is unshielded, even at this point, cloaking devices on starships are still a relatively new technology
They said ships cannot fire while cloaked because of the great amount of energy that cloaking requires. Perhaps physical contact or firing weapons could disrupt the cloak.
In Star Trek there have only been two ships capable of firing while clocked: one klingon bird of pray, and one reman warbird. Both ships were destroyed in their only battles when other means we're used to locate the ships (thruster exhaust and a phycic link), at which point their inability to use shields while cloaked caused significant damage, and that was the end of the cloak. Why only these two prototype ships possessed the ability? Because otherwise Star Trek battles would look very dull for the audience.
So 1 or 2 quantum torpedoes wouldn't "necessarily" take out the structure? I guess they are running low on torpedoes? Why not use 4 or 6 or 8? They need to hire some US military industrial complex robber barons to ramp up construction for a "small fee".
It was made of solid neutronium (same as the Doomsday machine) so all continual bombardment would do was take out the planetary surface. I suppose with enough rounds, they could destroy the planet but the structure would remain as a solid piece floating in space.
They are all evil for not helping the Jam Hadar who are fighting for their own Freedom. I mean the Protagonists of this Story the Star Trek Deep Space Nine are evil too for not helping the slaves.
Except they could just show up at the Federation Council, Romulan Senate, etc during a major gathering and start blasting then retreat back thru the gateway. No more leadership and no way to counter attack. Follow up by striking critical infrastructure and military targets by appearing behind any defenses and as before retreat before any counter attack. The initial numbers would be able to do much as attrition would wipe them out after a few attacks but if they rallied a rebel army and moved the gateway to another world without being discovered, they'd be able to strike with impunity. Following up with traditional fleets and invasions after crippling a target with a gateway attack and they'd be unstoppable and impossible to retaliate against.
@@davidkelly4210 With the ability to be transported anywhere, they could also use the gateway to emerge right inside an anti-matter reaction chamber, causing instant destruction to whatever ship/station it might be which would be key targets. "Victory is life" mentality would not hesitate one second for this to happen.
Because he was overstepping his boundaries - the end of the episode has the Chief apologizing and says he will accept charges to be brought against him, but Julian says he isn't that type of guy to do that.
But I don't like comparing none of them to Jews since Jews are a people that would probably never be on the same level, since their potential to do great things is lower, but just in different ways... That's also how you would define great too.
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RIP Clarence Williams III. One of (if not) the best portrayals of a Jem Hadar leader.
Victory is life
Jeffrey Combs is a fucking legend.
Editing in the Stargate was a nice touch 👍
Very.
This show was so well written.
2:10 - "You don't have the time? You don't have the _time??_ Oh please, you'll have to do better than that, Weyoun. If you want _my_ help, you'll have to convince me that galactic conquest leaves your people without a spare moment to deal with homegrown rebellions."
I could totally hear SIsko saying that. Bravo.
It was all a pretext to infect Odo.
I think what he meant was, they didn't have time to get a Dominion task force to that planet before the rebels learned to control the gate.
4:47 "Nuke it from orbit...it's the only way to be sure."
Ooops....sorry....wrong story.
...APART FROM THE SHIELDS.
@*Hérétic "We can not beam directly into the structure, so we have to fight our way in".
4:30 Except the structure is made of solid neutronium. Like the hull of the doomsday machine.
So the only sure thing from "Nuke it from orbit" is "we did not penetrate their armor".
@@christopherg2347 Shhh....work with me here.
@@samsignorelli I am trying to, but the neutronium is not giving a atoms width 😊
so wait a minute...there was an ancient race with stargates???
“The City on The Edge of Forever”
The Iconians = the Ancients
@@jamesu1540 eh, more like the Ori
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Before the tv series,and the movie 😊
Cardassian Cocaine 🌨️
Since there were no Jem'Hadar females, it would have been impossible for them to procreate outside of their test-tube maturation methods. That would have given the Dominion the upper hand even if they went rogue.
Great job with this mash up. Amazing how 20 years after this show was on air, it still so popular today. Just amazes me. Show great it was and how clueless current generation is making the shows. Simple, character develpment and story is all that is needed with some good special effects. Now its all special effects with shitty story telling and no character development.
BRUNT, FCA.
1:40 obviously a stargate
Yee Liu Apparently more advanced than a Stargate
@@viktornavorski5800 I'm not sure you quite understood. That segment was from the series "stargate sg1". We were not intended to notice that.
Was the stargate actually shown in the episode? If so, the 200,000 years ago time frame, would that coincide with the actual stargate timeframes with the ancients? Or was this just a fluff piece?
@@overanDownUnder It was just clever editing, original also didn't have flashbacks from the old TNG episode showing Data and Worf using the gateway.
The chief save Picard from the Romulans
Yeah Worf should have said "The Chief and I were on the original mission..."
Jem'Hadar look like Superman's doomsday.
Even if the quantum torpedoes couldn't completely level the compound, it damned well would have taken out everything outside and probably most of whatever was inside. They would have starved them out of whatever was inside very quickly. Their Ketracel White supply would have run out and job done.
Let’s destroy the gateway. They’re tearing it up in Tucson
@4:03 actor Clarence Williams as the Jem'Hadar First Omet'iklan in this episode "To the Death" is just great.
In his speaking and in his body language he conveys the pent-up tension we all come to associate with the ruthless shock troops of the Dominion.
I thank if Weyoun had apologized to the First let him know he was wrong to doubt their loyalty in that last scene he might have lived.
This story line is a good one. 👍
Lovely episode
Nice editing :)
Archa Reminds of a Star Trek Video interspersed with Starship Troopers clips
Thanks!😀
I deeply respect the honor of the true Jem'Hadar.
I find it hard that the JemHadar rebelled. Something else was going on. From what I have seen the JemHadar are extremely compliant to the Founders. That Vorta was not telling the whole truth.even in this clip the JemHadar 1st confronts the Vorta about their loyalty!
They're addicted to the White and bred from birth to be ultra loyal to the Founders and the Dominion even with that it's not entirely surprising that some of them eventually rebelled given the numbers they must be produced in, though these small instances may well be isolated it's possible it's more common than they like to pretend.
It all started when one Jem'Hadar developed a mutation where he was no longer addicted to the white and was trying to wean his platoon off it through training. He killed his units Weyun and they all went rogue.
They also have been engineered to have a life expectancy of about 10 years, you could just wait for them to die out of old age.
These are soldiers not engineers, especially since thier skills at engineering had allready been seen to be lacking.
It makes you wonder, how does the dominion repair thier ships anyway?
@@mikevignola4213 specialized Vorta and JemHadar repair the ships. What episode did you see where their engineering skills were lacking ???
@@JemHadar422 the episode where the defiant gets stranded on a planet with a Jem Hadar warship, and they couldn't fix thier communications. But we can account the vorta rationing the white to some of that.
The chief was also in the episode on star trek next generation series before joining deep space nine series
And Stargate was born...
Iconians are the Ancients? One of the Four Races?
ricaard *5th race now that the humans were added.
The Ancients from Stargate were around a LOT earlier than the Iconians in Star Trek... millions of years earlier...
@@Locutus494 sg1 lifted off ds9, ascended ancients are prophets, ori are pah wraiths. even the coloration is the same.
@@Locutus494 We don't actually know how long the Iconians were around for, only that they died 200,000 years ago. There's very little that's actually known about them in canon.
And their gates were better than Ancient stargates. The Iconians only needed apparatus on one end, and could make their portals appear anywhere.
a 200.000 year old far more advanced piece of tech... and you're going to destroy it..
the ignorance baffles me
If its in the middle of Dominion space then both Federation and the other powers are in major trouble
They didn't want to destroy it, but couldn't risk it falling into Jem'Hadar _or_ Dominion hands. Instantaneous transport to any planet in the Quadrant (and beyond) is a staggering advantage. Even supposing they had taken it, it would have instantly forced the Dominion into a corner, escalating the war and resulting in massive casualties.
After all, the Dominion killed 900,000,000 Cardassians in retribution for the Union defecting, imagine what they'd do if the Link itself was suddenly in perpetual danger no matter where they located it.
@@kw9849 actually the plan was to eliminate the Cardassians all along. The Dominion was using them to conquer the Alpha quadrant. Once completed..bye bye Cardies! “Your people were doomed the moment they attacked us”
Weyoun 4 said it best. "There's something to be said for soldiers who aren't afraid to die".
Now I don't agree with this assessment all the time but imagine how many lives would have been saved if Starfleet had rammed the Borg cube at Wolf 359 from multiple angles simultaneously. Despite Picards knowledge and their ability to adapt I doubt a standard cube would be able to withstand the direct force of say 24 starships (nearly half the fleet) warp cores exploding plus the combined torpedoes on board, the size of the antimatter explosions on all sides (4 ships per side in a square formation top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right, all 6 sides) would surely destroy it.
yet a few blasts from Enterprise D whacked holes in the first Cube.
Cube should have been ripped apart with 40 trico-bolts or 100 torpedoes and phasers firing all a once! Don't they have Nukes?
A few shots in the same place from diff ships and different frequencies should have popped it.
Should build better weapons or beam the bombs inside. Minigun firing plasma torpedoes that warp at target!!!
Bathtub of red matter!!!!!
@@carljhirst nukes are pretty useless in space
I doubt you would need all that. In Voyager a Borg Cube was adrift in space after a collision with an asteroid.
@@everettsager4654 yeah but Voyager Borg are like latter Terminators, much easier to destroy than the originals.
@@develynseether4426 I'm actually massively disappointed by what they did with the Borg in Voyager. They literally basically got rid of the entire original concept for this stupid beehive thing with the queen. The unfeeling uncaring singular consciousness of the Borg from their first encounter that gave such an incredible atmosphere is just completely destroyed cuz they feel like just another alien race that looks like people now. Their whole thing was that they didn't have any individuality that's like their whole fucking thing and then they just turn around and get rid of that in Voyager for some reason. Basically just turned them into the Dominion part 2
The Dominion could have had one of the gates.
4:37 walls composed of solid neutronium..........now where have i heard that before? oh yes, STTOS "Doomsday Machine" wonder if the Iconians created that machine..............
Also the Dyson sphere
Iconians = ancients in Stargate universe
No they are bad guys. Conquerors.
The Ancients had a civil war with some becoming the Ori. Ascended but dark.
Drew energy from worship. Like Apollo in TOS.
Star Trek online devels into who they are and what they have been up to.They left this galaxy and when they returned it was bad news.
Agreed......
The Dominion’s species never learn and never change. The purpose of involving Sisko, instead of sending a fleet, in the Gateway Operation, was to infect Odo and force his return to his homeworld.
Dr. M. H. Did you watch the program?
@@Scyllax lol 😂
The White?! Wasn't that the stuff in that weird vampire show that ended a few years ago? Oh, what the hell was it called...The Strain! That's it. With Corey Stoll. I guess the writers were DS9 fans.
the Jem hada, deserve a new chapter in the
Federation
Never
@@JemHadar422 Now they are on Ketracell Brown though.
@@carljhirst as long they are not Ketracell Black lol 😂
Yeah it is interesting that Star Trek essentially had the idea behind stargates in their universe but never really explored them. Such a shame.
If you could turn invisible, why would you turn it off when you attack? Also, why is the invisibility not affected the same as the phasers?
General rule in Star Trek is you can't attack when cloaked. Presumably you either can't fire at all, or if you DO try to fire when cloaked it has some kind of recoil that kills you.
@@robertmcintyre9023 I think typically, whenever a ship is cloaked, it is unshielded, even at this point, cloaking devices on starships are still a relatively new technology
They said ships cannot fire while cloaked because of the great amount of energy that cloaking requires. Perhaps physical contact or firing weapons could disrupt the cloak.
In Star Trek there have only been two ships capable of firing while clocked: one klingon bird of pray, and one reman warbird.
Both ships were destroyed in their only battles when other means we're used to locate the ships (thruster exhaust and a phycic link), at which point their inability to use shields while cloaked caused significant damage, and that was the end of the cloak.
Why only these two prototype ships possessed the ability? Because otherwise Star Trek battles would look very dull for the audience.
So 1 or 2 quantum torpedoes wouldn't "necessarily" take out the structure? I guess they are running low on torpedoes? Why not use 4 or 6 or 8? They need to hire some US military industrial complex robber barons to ramp up construction for a "small fee".
Asking questions like this will drive you crazy....gotta move the story forward.
It was made of solid neutronium (same as the Doomsday machine) so all continual bombardment would do was take out the planetary surface. I suppose with enough rounds, they could destroy the planet but the structure would remain as a solid piece floating in space.
Why is there a scene from Stargate SG-1` in that video?
To see if you were paying attention.
What the name of this one
Star gate reference
I don’t get Odo’s reasoning. Why would the Iconian gateway mean ‘freedom’ for these rogue Jem’hadar?
In the last scene looks like they ran out of makeup for Jeffrey Combs. That look was more realistic.
They are all evil for not helping the Jam Hadar who are fighting for their own Freedom. I mean the Protagonists of this Story the Star Trek Deep Space Nine are evil too for not helping the slaves.
They were genetically engineered, they are not a product of evolution. So they were never free or had a concept of freedom.
So one quantum torpedo is no guarantee of destruction... How about 50 of them?
Virtually invisible? Bullshit. Without starships, they are mere foot soldiers easily disposed of by a tank or another spaceship.
Except they could just show up at the Federation Council, Romulan Senate, etc during a major gathering and start blasting then retreat back thru the gateway. No more leadership and no way to counter attack. Follow up by striking critical infrastructure and military targets by appearing behind any defenses and as before retreat before any counter attack. The initial numbers would be able to do much as attrition would wipe them out after a few attacks but if they rallied a rebel army and moved the gateway to another world without being discovered, they'd be able to strike with impunity. Following up with traditional fleets and invasions after crippling a target with a gateway attack and they'd be unstoppable and impossible to retaliate against.
@@davidkelly4210 With the ability to be transported anywhere, they could also use the gateway to emerge right inside an anti-matter reaction chamber, causing instant destruction to whatever ship/station it might be which would be key targets. "Victory is life" mentality would not hesitate one second for this to happen.
The Ancients and the Stargates?
Why is the Chief (enlisted) giving orders to a lieutenant?
Bashier is a doctor. Perhaps doctors in the Federation, which is a semi-alien entity, will not give orders in the field.
Because he was overstepping his boundaries - the end of the episode has the Chief apologizing and says he will accept charges to be brought against him, but Julian says he isn't that type of guy to do that.
Data was 3rd in command on TNG and they didn’t always treat him much better.
He was going to face a court-martial at the end of the episode, but Julian decided not to go forward with it.
Weyoun #1?
Random Stargate lol
why would who ever assembled this, include a Stargate Portal when mentioning portals? wrong series!!!
Stargate lol?
Meth
@ｋｙｓ The Crystalline Entity is meth in its purest form.
@ｋｙｓ And the Vorta would probably represent the Aryan race... Smarter than the Jem'hadar, but more submissive to the Dominion system.
But I don't like comparing none of them to Jews since Jews are a people that would probably never be on the same level, since their potential to do great things is lower, but just in different ways... That's also how you would define great too.
@@NotQuiteFirst LOL
Who mixed stargate in with star trek keep em separate bro
1:40 you lost me when you introduced Star Gate SG1 footage into this.. keep real or don't keep it at all... do you understand?!?!
It makes better sense with SG-1 scenes.
Salt
@@202015spongebob …and vinegar chips.
What are they rebelling for? A better retirement plan?