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Dominion War 4 Jem'Hadar Rebellion part 2
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2019
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Follow the Klingon example...
ALWAYS carry a melee backup!
THANK YOU
It’s called a MEK’LETH
Love when Worf just drops the injured guy when they get back into the forest. OUCH!!!
I saw that too ... I bet that actor gave Michael Dorn the stinky eye after the director said "cut" afterwards
"Our super high tech rifles aren't working due to a jamming field!"
*Laughs in holy bolter*
It's what they get for working with xenos
imperial lasguns are cheap and efficient. any failures are due to the users disbelief in the emperor's grace
@@DRKLCNS1 Sounds legit.
*FIX BAYONETS*
only to end in NOMNOMNOMNOMNOM.........
They might need a P-90 for good measure.
It's incredible how practically every planet they go to resembles either Southern California near Los Angeles or northern California north of San Francisco. Amazing coincidence, I think.
Isn't convergent evolution amazing?
Uncanny. 😆😅
Kinda like how every planet they visited in Stargate SG-1 always looked like a forest in British Colombia.
@@sharkbait8090 Yes, uncanny. Take off! ;-)
I've often thought the same 😂
Its so nice of the Renegade Jem Hadar to wear black Vests so the Viewer can distinguish them from the loyal Jem Hadar ;-)
You know, I was just wondering how they knew who was friendly and who could be sliced up.
It's not uncommon for rebels to come up with their own uniforms, symbols, flags, etc. once they break away from their previous organization. Example: the rebels during the U.S. Civil War.
I missed that. Thank you.
Dont forget the tube sticking out of the non rebels
The rebel JemHadar were part of a ground based garrison. They are ground troopers the loyal ones were originally from a ship. Hence the difference in uniforms.
0:49 My man had chocolate syrup poured on him and he died. Security really is the worst job.
isn't that a woman ?
@@MajorGrin Major Grin? I love the Star Trek vs. Star Wars parody edit you uploaded.
3:50 the acting of that extra was superb! Truly the highlight of the entire series, franchise even! The way he just sort of shuffles to the side. Brings a tear to my eye every time.
The title of this episode is called "To the Death" and was directed by LeVar Burton!
He directed several DS-9 episodes. They encouraged the actors to sign up for directing. Frakes too the most advantage of it.
The gateway seemed to shift between locations much faster than the gateway on the Iconian homeworld on TNG.
That one had been sitting for 1000s of years. The one in this episode was one that was refurbished if I remember
If I were an Ensign on DS9 and Sisko wanted to take me on an away mission I would call in sick.
Lol. True in any of the Star Trek series. Ensigns didn't live very long. Of course, since it was always the unknown Ensign joining the regulars on an away mission, it was easy to guess which was going to die.
Remember during The Dominion War Sisko sends Nog off on a Mission and Nog loses a leg and Quark said U wouldnt send Jake out there Sisko replies Jake isnt a Starfleet Officer
@@kellyberry And if he did ever sign up, he'd be promoted to Emissary in Training.
@@kellyberry He wouldn't be working under his father for that reason. Neither would Nog for that matter.
@@robinstewart6510 If their was a new guy, you knew he was going to die first.
Sisko to Defiant begin transport, "We'll be enemies when we meet again" will we? Ok, load quantum torpedoes and level that planet
yeah thats what the war criminal Sisko would do. (not joking)
Yea... P90s would've really helped in this situation...
Well phasers and plasma rifles are weapons of terror, designed to intimidate the enemy. The P90 is a weapon of war, designed to kill the enemy....
@@Spacegoat92 an elegant weapon for a more civilized age
@@Spacegoat92 He never saw the light until he was a man, by then it was nothing to him but BLINDING
@@Spacegoat92 Stargate SG1 - ep where they went to the Jaffa planet
Thor would agree, sometimes you need to be more primitive
See this is why the Federation needs a marine corp...
they did back in enterprise
And why they should have reached out to the rebels instead of always bailing out their adversaries
I always presumed they did have Marines, they themselves were just not it. They did after all have those people on the ground on the front lines for months flighting the same battle against the Jem's. I am pretty sure they were Marines or at least the Starfleet equivalent.
@@tilasole3252 We do know the Klingons have a large ground troop contingent, and they are largely enlisted personnel (Martok talked how his entire family were enlisted soldiers and only he became a prestigious officer). We also know the Romulans used Remans as ground troops during the war. Therefore, it does seem 100% likely the Federation would also need a ground troop force. It would be a total imbalance of power not to have one. And these are unfortunately mostly disposable personnel that do not need any training on how to fly a starship, do quantum mechanic equations, or know how to calibrate a warp core engine. They just need to know how to hold a phaser, be physically agile, and sleep in the dirt on alien worlds that are potentially very inhospitable.
@@oldtwinsna8347 yes, I was a grunt myself. We didn't have phasers though =P M249 and 240B for me.
I loved this episode however it occurs to me that even if the renegades would dare strike Odo, the blades wouldn't have touched him. They could have just sent him in alone.
Not necessarily. If the gateway had an "on/off switch", the Jem's might've used their DEW weapons on Odo.
@@johnharrison6745 DEW?
@@tilasole3252 Stands for 'directed-energy weapon'. Phasers and such.
@@johnharrison6745 ahhh... They may have. At this point was Odo considered a traitor or still a god?
@@tilasole3252 In fact, in that very episode, when the Gems were first beamed-aboard the 'Defiant', one of them called Oh Doe 'the Traitor'.
The silly thing about "shrouding". They only seem to use it to announce their entrance rather than sniping a bunch of people first.
it is a limited biological ability . maybe when they're nervous they lose it . they also lose it when they didn't have enough of the drug (making them more agitated)
So the shrouding is inherent and not technology?
@@tilasole3252 Yep.
@@tachyontee3877 alright then, I guess. Has it been stated how the shrouding actually works? They are not naked and their weapons are hidden from view as well.
like in wow, can't stay stealthed in combat
There is not a lot of killing, only eliminating, terminating, taking care of, whacking among other terms!
As much as I love Deep Space 9, the fight choreography was simply atrocious for this show and much of all the iterations of star trek.
Do you question the Mighty Star Trek double hand punch?
@danieljliversLXXXIX Dude, you don't need to be a proctologist to recognize an ass. The man is correct.
@danieljliversLXXXIX Slow your roll, Cochise. No need to get ugly.
Not really, their fight choreography was more realistic compared to the stylized Hong Kong inspired fights you see now a days, it's just not as pretty.
@@TJ_Mc "you don't have to be a chef to know the food tastes like shit" is one of my favorites
Very honorable for the jem'hadar to allow his opponent to finish killing one of his friends at 1:12.
This has to be the stupidest tactical plan I have ever heard.
@Bingus McDrangus If he can turn into a purse, he can turn into carpeting and sneak in completely undetected.
Or into a set of Jem'Hadar armour that chokes them out one by one when they put it on.
Or just tank all their knives and impale them on changeling tentacles.
Or into a fake Jem'Hadar, and just walk right in.
"It would appear,we no longer have the element of surprise!" Worf!
Hehehehe 🤭
“Our rifles are dead!”
Then fight the klingon way!
Stargate phoned and want their technology back!
Stargate (the movie): 1994
Star Trek TNG episode Contagion (First appearance of an Iconian Gateway in ST): 1989
But I'm sure there were gateways in SF long before either SG or ST
Guardian of Forever ringing any bells?
@@NoJusticeNoPeace Beat me to it.
@@wilsonj4705 Hell, TOS had a gateway that could travel not only to locations, but through time as well.
Darkseid boom tubes in the old school Super Friends cartoons were called Stargate
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Jem Hadar first was very careful not to vaporize the Vorta while he was holding the Ketracel White.
Very good observation. I wonder if he would of dropped it and some broke or it would of vanished entirely. What if the whole planet vanished and everyone else, due to his feet was on the ground.
Their food.
Worf being witness of 2 gateways is the thing of insane odds
I remember this episode clearly, .......the SECOND he put that Ketracel-white down I knew he was done.....
He didn't even get to talk to worf again.
@@ironfist7789 lol🤣🤣🤣
0:50 I need to check his pulse... on his parotid glands?!
Your pulse is just as strong where he checked as any other part of that vein going up on the neck... It takes a single second to test it out and save yourself the trouble of posting further nonsense like this.
Crypto Database Nope
isn't that a woman ?
Major Grin I shoulda said They... can’t assume genders these days ya know lol
@@CryptoDatabase try it on yourself, see if you can sense something. That's simply not the place to check for a pulse
Worf- It would seem that we lost the element of surprise.
Sisko- Thank you Captain Obvious.
Clarence Williams III is scary with or without makeup. May he RIP.
Iconian gateway technology would make any galactic power into a galactic empire.
Did anyone else notice how hard Worf dropped that injured crew member?
Take 15?
Even if the complex was neutronium based, they could have just bombarded it with quantum torpedoes. Nothing said they couldn't hit it multiple times. But then there would have been no episode.
This is why DS9 should have been set far before even STE. Any warfare set after TNG would not be done person to person... One photon torpedo would have been enough to wipe out all the Jem Haddar in the ambush, then you just open the door and shoot another one in.
Also just replicate and beam down some projectile weapons...
Even today wars are fought from a distance. Hand-to-hand combat is specialized training and only briefly introduced in boot camp. The idea is to remove more of your enemy without any threat to you. Getting close subjects you to danger.
As indicated here, once you're injured, you're not only out of the fight, but you become a liability to the others that now have to rescue you, thereby, lowering their ability to fight. Not a good strategy for winning battles.
Send little women to fight Jem Hadar, is hilarious.
A point frequently stated by the Ferengi. It was also pointed out again by Michael Ansara (Kang) when he played another alien and Lwaxana Troi's Tavnian spouse, Jeyal, in DS-9 the "Muse."
If I remember correctly, he said something to the point of women in combat being ridiculous.
I loved this show.(hated it at first), but the renegade, G’em Hadar had a working Iconian transporter. They should have been unstoppable!
Yeah, rifles don't work but personal cloaking is just fine.🤣
Not 100% sure, but the Shroud might be biological and not technological. Sort of like Barbarians in MMORPGs being great against the cold or Dwarves against poison or Halflings being able to hide somewhat.
Why would he kill the Vorta BEFORE he dispenses the white? The Vorta is the only one who know the password to open the box
1:48 Chad Yellowshirt, holds off two jem hadar in melee
it's funny how the left Jem'hadar didn't strike at him until he was done with the other one . maybe Jem'hadar have honor after all
Not every Mook is worthless. See "Green Four"/Agent Blayden from _The Living Daylights_ . He nearly had the main bad guy muscle beaten in single combat instead of just being a speedbump.
Odo could've handled 90% of the enemy soldiers just by shapeshifting into a rotating ball with swords and blades lashing out at the targets at ultra high speeds. The soldiers would have zero time to react and would be instantly taken down. The rest of the Federation crew just then just take care of the straddlers, planted the bomb, and be done with it. Shapeshifters are damn deadly and fearful just thinking about what kind of harm they could inflict.
Was there a guy named Jim Hadar?
he's the one who inseminates the Jem'hadar hatcheries
Whenever I watch this episode, I'm always reminded of the halo 2 levels "The Arbiter" and "The Oracle". It's like the covenant loyalist fighting the heretics.
I thought that as well actually.
@@tilasole3252 "When we joined the Dominion, we took and oath."
"According to our stations. All without exception."
"On the blood of our Elders. On the blood of our Sons. We swore to uphold the Dominion.
"Even to our dying breath."
"Those who would break this oath are traitors. Worthy of neither pity nor remorse. Even now. They use the Ancients power to conquer the universe."
"We shall grind them into dust."
And continue our march to Victory! Victory is Life!"
@@patrickglover7506 "Ancients power"? What Ancients?
Awww...they cut Dax's "Honored elder" line during the fight!!!
Hashtag bummed balls
What a great actor Clarence Williams was. He stole that episode. So cold. So jem'hadar.
These folks certainly were not USMC trained
I think they need to take one of the Kem'hadar bodies back and find out how their suits work to cloak them .. It might come in handy .. Why does Star Fleet ignore technology that could be used ?
That trick is biological apparently, nothing to do with the suits.
Reminds me of "Unreal Tournament."
Wait!
Was that the picture of Paris,as one of the cities in the reach of the Gateway???? Lmao 😄
Lets let a few people die before Odo is kicking ass.
You'd think that a great institution of learning like Starfleet Academy would've taught some of these security officers to fight a little better in hand to hand combat...
Not really. Marines do it a little better with bayonet training. But it is really as a last resort. Gun play is first and foremost taught to infantry units. Everything else is secondary. And we do not have anything to disrupt our rifles, other than dirt. No kind of field is going to affect them. So they have the bare basics in the Academy. And they are probably taught a little more due to recent events of Klingons and Jem ordering close quarters combat. But no, they should not, on the regular, be able to out fight the Jem or the Klingons.
Good old gunpowder based technology would've helped here
Not only were these Jem'Hedar no longer addicted to the ketracel white, they also lost their fighting abilities.
I never liked the idea of Starfleet officers moonlighting as infantry. The Federation needed it's own version of the MACOs.
2:39 Starfleet Academy
2:39.5 ???
2:40 ???
2:41 Paris
2:42 Bajor
2:42.5 Also Bajor
If the guy Worf was carrying wasn’t dead he sure is after being dumped on the ground.
All those LARPERS. Sucks, all those forests are on fire currently:(
You'd think Sisko would have used the weapon to block the attack, but I guess his arm works just as well...
I don’t know how they can tell who is the enemy and who is not. All the Jem’Hadar look the same to me
A reminder that the Changelings are very strong when they want to be.
Predators working with Starfleet or NCIS
Ohhh! Okay, one of the wall corridors almost fall down due to actor hit the scenario wall.Time frame 1.55-1.58.
Holy shit, nice catch!
solid neutronium
I'd have no way of telling the good Jem'Hadar apart from the bad in hand-to-hand combat.
I want a forged in fire episode that showcases the Klingon and jemhadar weapons.
F em up boys I'd stick close to Warf
Weyoun! Noooooooo! 😢
Thats the gate way of forever if u ask me
Why doesn't starfleet have a camo uniform for this type of mission? This is like sending the Navy Seals to kill Bin Laden while wearing blue coveralls.
I thought the shroud would not work on other Jem'Hadar. After all, if everyone is shrouded and can not see each other, they would be bumping into each other.
So, the shroud works, but the weapons don't. Seems that should not be the case. Electrical interference dose not pick and choose what it deiced to disable.
How convienient that advanced weaponary can be deactivated. Good old led would help.
1:52 A proper blow
I thought they needed a Vorta to open the ketracel white vaults?
Don’t like how the humans can match them with strength
Jem'Hadar uniform changes would have made for a less confusing fight scene
Did......did they just run off with federation phaser rifles set to kill?
Had they just carried an older side arm, most of their problems would have been solved in an instant.
I swear to God those phaser rifles are the stupidest looking science fiction weapons I've ever seen. The ones from TOS look more plausible than those things.
The gateways are transmat stations.
I can not tell. Is the kid laying on the ground dead, the same guy who goes into the building?
At least they show Dax swinging away. Kira would be shown going hand to hand with a number of Jem Hadar and coming out on top. They always made her out to be almost super-powered. Never liked that. She is a 95 lb guerilla fighter, but she would still get torn up by Klingons, and Jem Hadar.
I have a feeling she did a lot of close-in killing as a guerilla fighter, probably with improvised sharp-and-pointys and likely often against physically larger specimens. Do that enough and you figure out how to stay alive. Her adrenaline dumps must be pretty massive, though, and I'm shocked she doesn't have some serious PTSD issues more than they showed.
Her undershirt is pretty sexy, though.
Don't forget when she was pregnant. But you don't need to be as big as your opponent if you know how to hit them. But I am not going to say it was not ridiculous at times.
Husband/Wife away teams should be banned
They weren't a couple at the time.
Also, they were forbidden by Captain Sisko from going on ops together, after they failed to secure a defecting Cardassian spy.
@@dirtbag_8132 Thanks for the trivia
As entertaining as this might be, I'm going back to darmok and jalad at tonagra
"this isa kartakin"
Why doesn't Starfleet ever take tech from their enemies and use it .. Those personal cloaking devices might be good to have
In this case, the cloaks are a biological ability of the Jem’Hadar, not a technological device.
Because or writing choices. The truth is they would have the technology already. With how they are presented they wouldn't even stand a chance against a modern day squad of professional soldiers, or airsofters with real weapons for that matter. They'd also be enhanced and live a lot longer without becoming frail. You can love the best of Trek and still acknowledge this.
Personal cloaks would be illegal in the Federation due to the treaty of Algeron!
Ah overconfidence, the hallmark of the Weyoun, maybe the founders should eliminate that from his genetic recipe next time!
I don't mean to be racist (or specist?), But how is the Starfleet crew supposed to differentiate from the "good" Jem'hadar to the "bad" ones? A road guard vest would be nice...
I do think the jem hadar would of made a grate alliance for Starfleet eg for when Borg or the species 629 came knocking at earth.
Borg would just assimilate them.
Founders would be much more difficult to assimilate
Didn’t edit in a shot of The Predator sitting cloaked in the trees... shame.
Can I have the money back in a few minutes to
Why not use the pew pew pew guns instead of knives
Like P90s?
they explained in the episode their weapons didn't work because of the energy of the gate
@@NitpickingNerd A good 1940s sub machine gun then.
@@JohnnyZenith if they knew in advanced they would have replicated some and brought with them
@@NitpickingNerd They could have done that on the ship and had them beamed down the moment they realized their energy weapons had a problem.
Did they leave the dead crew member on the planet ?
2:45
BEN!
Why come out of invisibility at all?
my guess is since it's a biological ability it probably takes a lot of energy and to be able to fight they can't extend as much energy and fight effectively at the same time
To look like badasses
I always thought of that as well. Like a cloaked ship is understandable because of the high power consumption. But even if Jem'Hadar cloaking required a bit of exertion, all they would need to do is squeeze the trigger of their rifle.
In general invisibility in Sci-fi is no magic trick. You just need a Electromagnatic field to bend the light and cloth to reflect the light. Ligth reflection is not perfect and reflecting cloth can be ez damaged even without combat. So on top you need to bend the light with some EM field. Thats why melee weapons are used: Enegy weapons fire large amount of energy. Anykind of energy emits radiation and therefore some electic field around them. therefore any ny eneergy weapon (even while not in use, just carried) does interfare with the lightbreaking field of the cloak, making it useless.
Thats leave still the question about the melee combat: My guess is that cloaking technic is useless without proper equiment to hide from heat sensors. So the Jem Hadar as reptils simply regulate their body temperature down so heat sensor are pretty useless against them. (otherwise Klingon and Romulans would use battleground cloaking as well). The downside of low body temperature is slow- and stiffness. If we take human adrenalin as example for increase of combat abilitites, i thinkg the Jem hadar need at least 5-10 secons to cool down perfectly for cloak and to heat up for combat. Thats why the Jem Hadar deaktive their cloak and rise their body temparture to increase combat speed and strength before attacking.
Pretty easy to shoot your own dudes when you can’t see them.
I find it hard to believe that ..in this instance....a band of street thugs from the present could have completed this mission and not lost anyone. Give everyone chooppers and watch the Jem hadar melt. Kinetic weapons will always be better than beams.
Its ashame they have to destroy the gateways a piece of history
Given the possibility of phasers being jammed why didn't Starfleet keep some old school guns lying around just in case?
I was hope warfe would pulled traditional Klingone weapon. beat girlfriend few stare fleet new use one too. warf have real one. stare fleet proley have fold up one. some kind emergacy one materialize out fazer gun. it would not be as good but gun dosent work nice back up. federation had all dull Klingone fight setons not sure what for.
During the fight scenes,how can they tell which Jem'Hadar are on their side,and which ones are the enemy? I mean,not tryin to sound "racist" here but,you know the Jem'Hadar all look alike....lmfao :P
haha Sisko felt the pulse of the dead soldier just below her ear. no where near where the pulse would be on her neck, why did they even bother thats just funny... Also its funny just how bad the hand to hand combat was in the initial scene, you saw them swipe with a blow then freeze for a few seconds for Star fleet to counter taking them out instantly with one blow..
How.. how did they know which Jem Hadar were on which side?
Why aren't the loyal Jem'Hadar using their cloaking devices? Also, why didn't the renegades sound the alarm and have all the guards swarm the party?