A nice clash of cultures in this scene and while pinpointing the difference, by mimicing the ritual he still showed a Form of respect in some way. Very nice speech of our chief.
Dax: "how old are you?" Jem'Hadar: *Proudly* "I am 8" Dax: "...I would have guessed 15" Jem'Hadar: "15? few live that long, if we live to 20 we become honoured elders" Jem'Hadar: "..how old are you?" Dax: "I stopped counting at 300" Jem'Hadar: *shocked pikachu face* One of my favourite scenes in DS9 :')
The Jem'Hadar are my favorite bad guys. They suffer from the same situation as the Clone Troopers in Star Wars. No knowledge of their past and no hope for a future except to fight and die in wars that are not their own. A truly tragic race.
He does not have to EARN my respect. He has HAD it, from the moment I was conceived. I am a Jem’Hadar, HE is a Vorta. It is the order of things. And do you really wish to give up your life for the “order of things?” It was not my life to give, commander. It never was.
Yeah but as soon as a Vorta questions the honor/motives of a First, it got vaporized and the JEM'HADAR is all, he should not have questioned me. Ouch, burn!
@@iBloodxHunter and that's how he could force them all to pointlessly throw their lives away. I don't know about you, but I'm GLAD Kevan got got the way he did.
I think the Jem'Hadar were made from the Tosk alien that came from the Gamma Quadrant. He was genetically made as well. It wouldn't be much effort for the Founders to find out the process and make the alterations to make their soldiers.
I just assumed the Tosk and the hunters were members of the Dominion and the Jem'Hadar were just reptilian like them. I thought that perhaps the gamma quadrant favored reptiles rather the mammals. But after I saw the episode where quark purchased the birthing chamber, I thought just as you did
Star Trek Online has done some work expanding on experiments The Founders carried out over the years; Creating the Voorta from a tree dwelling species, finding and enslaving the Hur'q, Creating the Fek'Ihri and modeling them after Klingon Spiritual Beliefs to make the Klingons fear them. But of course the only detail we get about the Jem'Hadar is a Stardate for when they were first considered a finished project. "7903.01 Dominion Reckoning"
I’d love to see some Stargate races on the Cultural index. The Wraith, the Gou’ald, the Asgard, etc. They have long reaching empires and societies and would make for very interesting viewing as subjects of the series.
Another great index, I think the idea of trying to create the "perfect soldier race" is fascinating, the Founders went a pretty twisted but arguably effective route.
The personal eyescreens also allowed for the elimination of a structural weak point(windows and viewport). Actually kind of liked that element as it is rarely addressed in sci-fi.
@@EddBlackheart That was only true for certain larger ships and the intrepid, but the Sovereign class had a view screen viewport hybrid hence the helmsman being blown out into space in Nemesis. Most smaller vessels also had window viewports as did the old legacy ships many of which were still in service even during the Dominion War
I'd say species 8472 or the Undine as there other name in story Arc. would likely win a one on one fight. given there incredible Regeneration and natural resistance to most energy weapons. plus there scratch alone can cripple most biological species. The Undine/8472 truly is a species of power and wonder even when they can blow up planets with little effort.
i really enjoyed when worf fought that jem hadar and he showed honor by recognizing and respecting worfs warrior spirit when he refused to yeild the fight… and then he was immediately shot and killed. too bad id love to see that jem hadar make a recurrence
Jem'Hadar, "I am dead. As of this moment we are all dead." Vorta, "I'm not dead yet. I'm getting better." Jem'Hadar, "No you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment."
A klingon fights for the honor of the Empire, their house, and themselves. Jem'hadar fight simply to win battle after battle for their gods/slave masters.
The episode where a Jem'Hadar was independent of Ketracel calls that into at least partial question. "You are surprised that a soldier would want more than the life of a slave?" Then, of course, the Vor'Ta would certainly agree with you. "You fight because it is what you were DESIGNED to do," one says to a Jem'Hadar first when comparing them to Klingons.
I think that with all the genetic modification you would think that the Founders would engineer a builder or construction race to make their cities and ships. Maybe we just haven't explored enough of Dominion space to find them
I think the Vorta do that. Most construction would be automated, so you could have Vorta engineers and scientists. In fact Vorta scientists were referenced in one of the last episodes. You also have all of the members of the Dominion. They seem to have a lot of autonomy.
@@jonsnowight9510 Well, I realize the Pocketbooks series was not canon, but in it they developed a more independent culture and broke away from the Dominion. If I'm not mistaken, they formed a fast alliance with the Klingon Empire (and may have even become a member world, complete with an advisory-only seat on the High Council).
Difference between the 2 was The Jemhadar bred in the Alpha quadrant are simply that born in that side of space bred with training species knowledge to fight the races of the Alpha quadrant. The Gamma are the reverse as they were Bred with combat knowledge to deal with the races of the Gamma quadrant.
Such fabulous antagonists. They were unique and extremely well developed throughout the series arc. DS9 stood well on its own and unlike Voyager, didn't rip off or ruin TNG villains and storylines.
Somehow the whole idea reminds me of a samuri jack episode about archers that used a magic well to become great warriors but were mindless and sightless.
The indoctrination side definitely fits, but Lobster Man is right: the Borg are the closest to the reapers. They are "better" and don't seek to understand species more than what they learn from their destruction and (in the case of the keepers at least) subjugation. With the Dominion, you had a chance of peace....if its _their_ peace and *only* their peace... But the reapers gave no quarter. The Borg give no quarter, either.
Very obscure reference, but the story of Jem Hadar also reminds of og XCom alien races, who were geneticaly and cyberneticaly enhanced for example Mutons, floaters, sectoids etc.
The part more else explains the Klingons contempt for them. In their minds, they are not a warriors but machines because they have no deeper purpose to their existence than fighting
The klingons regard them as powerful fighters, the anti thesis of fighting to live instead of the klingon way of fighting honorably till death. But the jem hadar are more kamikaze in their attacks because of their knowledge of their lives are short and can be replaced just as there were different versions of weyoun
However i also believe the highest level klingons whove been through the most victorious battles will regard them hard to defeat, but more or less souless so the victory feels empty
They’re soulless creatures. Fighting for no goal, no purpose except to serve the Founders. They take no pleasure in what they do. Nothing is glorified, nothing is affirmed. To the Jem’Hadar we are nothing more than… than targets to be destroyed! I must not let them destroy us!
@@Collectibles49 that jem'hadar was a good man, when ths vorta says that worf fights for "some primitive idea of honour" the first says "that is something you can never understand"
What's interesting is comparing them to *Augments,* which were created with far less advanced technology. Khan could slaughter one easily, now imagine if humanity hadn't become genetic engineering phobic after WW3, but had advanced the science and worked out the megalomania and increased aggression bugs - which were due to a faulty brain transmitter, not being superhuman. So 21st century human genetic engineering was superior to the Jem'Hadar … (except for that one psychological glitch). In fact genetically engineered humans were far superior to any other species genetic engineering efforts - just look at Julian Bashir, the stats he had improved (he didn't get everything upgraded, and he was poor starting material, which was the point) made him vastly better than any alien in that area - perfect memory of DNA charts he saw years ago, able to throw a bullseye every time without effort. [And according to some beta canon, the cloaking ability was a invasive technological implant that only worked when the Jem'Hadar was calm, so they couldn't be cloaked in combat (imagine if a Vulcan had one fitted, or they just learnt Vulcan mental discipline… yeh, no)].
@@chrismaloney2108 I have been going through the series recently. The Next Generation may have a rocky start but still good nonetheless. Deep Space Nine however, very good. Season Two has really impressed me.
Their is evidence that their is an underground among the Jem'Hadar. Episode "To the death" feature not only Jem'Hadar that actively attack other dominion assets, it's sated by Weyoun that the founders ability to influence the jem'hadar has been overstated, Weyoun's 1st knowing the mission and what has occurred even when the information was mean't to be top secret .
Exactly , The Founders had an unnatural healthy fear ' of Rogue factions of renegade Killing machines that could jump , to anywhere in the Galaxy " and Dominate you on a moment's notice ! .... Yeah I'd be kinda Afraid also .
Here's Romulan - Reman relationship for ya! Proven, fierce Soldiers of The Empire, still, very much aware of own disfranchised position and very cynical about it, yet with sense of loyalty among themselves.
I play the game Stellaris where you can master genetic engineering. When I do so in game my favorite thing to do is conquer Honor bound warriors and turn them into genetically engineered war monsters stripped of free will. Use the traits very strong, resilient, and nerve stapled to conquer everyone. in one game they happened to also already be cyborgs so they where between the Jem'hadar and the Collectors. Was great.
I feel like I’ve watched every video in the index, Love if you made a video about a few of the humanoid alien species in DC and Marvel comics, thanks for the videos:)
I've been rewatching DS9 and forgot how intricately evil Kai Winn was. I would love to see a bio of that character here on your channel. I searched but didn't see one, so if I missed it, sorry about that!
Thank you for the detailed video. One thing that is kind of funny and wasn't addressed too much on the show was how in actuality the Dominion could have been defeated rather easily. Just as troops march on their stomachs, the Jem'Hadar relied on the White which couldn't be replicated. Simply targeting the facilities, and supply chains much like in real war they would have been crushed.
Nitpick: in the series finale, Ma Changeling says the Jem'Hadar had been the Dominion's "first line of defense" for "two millennia." Also, you swapped the battlecruiser and battleship :). Otherwise, great series! I subscribed.
I love how the designed their faces. Like predators have forward facing eyes, prey side facing. These guys have such forward facing eyes they almost seem crosseyed
You should look into the different Votan races from the Defiance universe. There are 8 species from the same star system, in which 6 came together to save their species from a cosmic collision that destroyed their native star system and forced the survivors to travel to Earth.
What would make a great future Star Trek episode would be the discovery of prime jem hadars. Males and females that escaped and hid from the dominion for centuries and how they would unify with their engineered counterparts and stoping the dominion from trying to kill them.
You know, I always like to think the Jem'hadar are like the Roman Legionaries. Tough, Discipline, and almost fanatic to their service; no wonder why they're one of the deadliest soldiers in the galaxy.
@@RRW359 Well, Augments don't die if they don't get their white fix, but Augments left unsupervised for too long could wind up turning on each other out of their own innate "superiority".
I always found them fascinating but very tragic. I actually feel sorry for them. In essence, they seem more "slave" like than the Vorta. As an African American, I've always had a level of sympathy for the Jem' Hadar--they do have deep code of ethics as pure warriors (but that level just may have been bred in them). I don't think it was a coincidence that most of the actors that portrayed them were African American or other POC. The producers of DS9 (especially DS9) made many episodes concerning race and racism, and may have been telling something about how the real world treated people who subjected to enslavement either had to "embrace' the belief systems of their enslavers or face obliteration by those same slavers, Great vid!
Avery Brooks even said that the season 3 episode "The Abandoned" was meant to be about how hard it is for inner city gang members to simply exist with the rest of society, that once they are too far in they can't get out, that violence, drugs (ketricel white was an analogy for crack), and sticking with others like that were all they had.
I prefer the theory that the Jem'hadar are the species that was hunting the Changeling's in the past, for crimes the Changeling's committed against them.
Jem'hadar are more dangerous then the borg. At lasst a Borg can be severed from the collective. It's nearly impossible to break all that Dominion conditioning.
8:00 That is a little odd, I know that the name-scheme has been blurred, but I am fairly certain that it is [the small one, so many names], then the Battlecruiser/Battleship and finally the Battleship/Dreadnought, after all it does not make a lot of sense for a Battlecruiser to be twice as large as a Battleship...
A battlecruiser is a battleship that sacrifices durability for speed. Sometimes it sacrifices firepower instead, but that's less common. There's no reason that that can't mean a larger ship, though to be fair that's really rare in SF.
I don't know where else to put this so I'm going to put it here. In the Voyager episode Retrospect, Janeway is in the mood for some new firepower so Voyager rolls on up to the local arms dealer. They go to the trouble of fitting and test firing an "isokinetic cannon" and everyone is suitably impressed. Shenanigans then ensue and the arms dealer ends up dead, so why does the cannon get removed after the episode ends never to be heard of again. Given the local authorities views on the importance of trade with aliens I find it unlikely that they would have insisted on the cannon being returned. Bonus question, do you think the "memories" of the events that 7 of 9 recovered really happened to her or not? By the end of the episode everyone, 7 included has dismissed them as false but as I recall during his investigation the Doctor did find evidence of a memory block in 7's brain.
"...so no other could question orders as they did not have the full picture of events..." This is something I've been questioning for a long time, not just in Star Trek but everywhere. Those who are working with the least amount of information have the most reason to question their orders. Not sure why anyone would see it differently.
With the cybermen coming up in series 12 of Doctor Who, I would like to see an index on them please. Also an index on either the Autobots or Decepticons or both combined as the cybertronians would also be an awesome index to see.
I am deeply curious as to what happened to them after the Dominion surrendered. They are basically living weapons with virtually no sense of autonomy & they are completely dependent on the White, except for those that somehow broke that “addiction “. So purely warrior culture aside, it’s not like they can survive long independent of another sentient species to facilitate their development. Does the Federation attempt to “rehabilitate” them somehow or are they just left to their own devices to die or survive on their own? Or do the Founders retain control of them, but with the stipulation that they demilitarize them somehow?
The idea of being "already dead" is a commonly heard thing among real war vets. Many would say the only way to deal with combat is to know you already dead, and that knowledge liberates you to do what needs to be done to win a war. The creators of DS9 obviously took that idea and ran with it in the Jem'Hadar
Race recommendation the Vidians. A Delta quadrant race whose whole culture was forced to center around the treatment of a disease that was killing them.
The Dominion is meant to be a foil to the Federation. The Vorta and Jem'Hadar being genetically engineered slave races is the antithesis of the Prime Directive. The Federation came out of a combination of human ingenuity, Vulcan practicality, Tellarite diplomacy, and Andorian military might. The Vorta play a similar role to the Tellarites, and the Jem'Hadar to the Andorians.
As far as I know, "Honored Elders" among the Jem'Hadar are considered too important to be used lightly, and are used to train other Jem'Hadar or lead squads or commando teams on the most crucial missions or as military advisors on campaigns or important projects. There was one such Elder acting as a Mentor and Trainer to the Alpha Jem'Hadar(who he thought were to impetuous and lacked patience and discipline), as well as one training recruits at that prison/training compound. I'm surprised that one Vorta casually killed one, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were reprimanded or even executed for squandering such an asset.
I think it's worth mentioning that the Jem'Hadar will become mutinous if the Ketra-cel white isn't provided. This shows a deeper, more base level understanding of who they are as living beings that, when threatened with starvation, their loyalties go out the window.
Easy to answer your last question. For admin Dominion rullers had Vorta. Once peace and order was established they would simply withdraw the supply of white and maintain only small detachments. If it takes only 3 days to rise a new army why would one bother to supply the enormous demands of large numbers of JemHaddar?
I always found it odd that both Voyager and DS9 had these purely warrior races. I am curious if there was any genetic ties between the Jem'Hadar and the Hirogen.
Here's a fan theory: the Jem'Hadar are an offshoot of Tosk. They wanted to become better warriors because they were being hunted by the Hirogen. "Captive Pursuit" was an example of the order the Dominion has imposed on the gamma quadrant - a Hirogen subspecies hunting a Jem'Hadar subspecies as a game, with the Omarion nebula strictly off limits to keep them from posing any danger to the Founders.
This all got me to thinking of different combinations of encounters in battle. How would the Jam Hadar fare against the Borg? How would the shapeshifting founders stand up to the Borg ? What would Dax and her symbiant become if assimilated ? Curious combos would be Borg and Gorn, Borg and Wesley Crushers phase shifting traveler friend, Borg and Cptn. Archers nemesis, the ceiling crawling camo skinned guy. How about Borg and the Augments or Kahns people. But what I think would be the best storyline for any Star Trek movie would have to be the Enterprise first meeting Dr. Who, then Dr. Who vs Q, then Dr. Who and Picard vs the Borg ! What do you think? If we are crossing series then Starfleet vs The Wraith or Wraith vs the Borg would be one for the ages! Which brings to mind a question, why did the Federation not design or equip fleets of ships with Holographic crews like the EMH doctor was on Voyages? You can't assimilate a hologram. But then in ALL Star Treks why was transporter technology not used as a weapon ??? The possibilities are endless.
The jemhadar look like modified Hirogen to me. In STO if you follow the storyline you see the history behind making a military force and it's quiet interesting. On another note in DS9 one jem'hadar develops some sort of way to not need the ketracel white.
"I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. I am very much alive, and I intend to stay that way."
Best quote in DS9.
"I tore my pants!"
Sisko: Amen
A nice clash of cultures in this scene and while pinpointing the difference, by mimicing the ritual he still showed a Form of respect in some way. Very nice speech of our chief.
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"and this is my favourite store on the promonad"
Dax: "how old are you?"
Jem'Hadar: *Proudly* "I am 8"
Dax: "...I would have guessed 15"
Jem'Hadar: "15? few live that long, if we live to 20 we become honoured elders"
Jem'Hadar: "..how old are you?"
Dax: "I stopped counting at 300"
Jem'Hadar: *shocked pikachu face*
One of my favourite scenes in DS9 :')
To be fair Trill cheat by switching bodies.
What episode I cant find it in RUclips
@Rob Powell But he's Human that's all him and medical advancements...No damned symbiont.
"300? you don't look it"
I loved that scene...Alien vs. Alien.
The Jem'Hadar are my favorite bad guys. They suffer from the same situation as the Clone Troopers in Star Wars. No knowledge of their past and no hope for a future except to fight and die in wars that are not their own. A truly tragic race.
Unfortunately the jem’hadar don’t to Order 66 the founders or even in some cases like captain Rex, resist and have an actual life.
@@IronWarhorsesFun there was that one captain who killed his vorta then his own men so they wouldn’t go insane once he knew there was no white left
@@theomnissiah-9120 ok that's kinda my point he had no choice but to kill his men. NO WAY OUT.
If they don't see it as tragic how can it be tragic.
@@elliotyourarobot Because they are genetically unable to realize what's been done to them.
He does not have to EARN my respect. He has HAD it, from the moment I was conceived. I am a Jem’Hadar, HE is a Vorta. It is the order of things.
And do you really wish to give up your life for the “order of things?”
It was not my life to give, commander. It never was.
Yeah but as soon as a Vorta questions the honor/motives of a First, it got vaporized and the JEM'HADAR is all, he should not have questioned me. Ouch, burn!
@@mteige well, to be fair, Keivan never questioned their loyalty. Not ever for a moment.
@@iBloodxHunter better yet, he actually depended on it to extreme.... in a way...
@@iBloodxHunter and that's how he could force them all to pointlessly throw their lives away. I don't know about you, but I'm GLAD Kevan got got the way he did.
I think the Jem'Hadar were made from the Tosk alien that came from the Gamma Quadrant. He was genetically made as well. It wouldn't be much effort for the Founders to find out the process and make the alterations to make their soldiers.
Valid.
I just assumed the Tosk and the hunters were members of the Dominion and the Jem'Hadar were just reptilian like them. I thought that perhaps the gamma quadrant favored reptiles rather the mammals. But after I saw the episode where quark purchased the birthing chamber, I thought just as you did
Star Trek Online has done some work expanding on experiments The Founders carried out over the years; Creating the Voorta from a tree dwelling species, finding and enslaving the Hur'q, Creating the Fek'Ihri and modeling them after Klingon Spiritual Beliefs to make the Klingons fear them.
But of course the only detail we get about the Jem'Hadar is a Stardate for when they were first considered a finished project. "7903.01 Dominion Reckoning"
The jem'hedar were not clines but genetically engineers. There ia a difference
@@rodniegsm1575I see what you did there
I’d love to see some Stargate races on the Cultural index. The Wraith, the Gou’ald, the Asgard, etc.
They have long reaching empires and societies and would make for very interesting viewing as subjects of the series.
Another great index, I think the idea of trying to create the "perfect soldier race" is fascinating, the Founders went a pretty twisted but arguably effective route.
The personal eyescreens also allowed for the elimination of a structural weak point(windows and viewport). Actually kind of liked that element as it is rarely addressed in sci-fi.
The view screen was never a window in star trek. It was just a large holographic display.
Them being windows is a new thing.
@@EddBlackheart Blame Discovery
@@layersofpoliticaljokes5337 No the JJ trek did it first. Discovery just rolled with it.
Oh *blyat* i actually forgot about that, sorry m8
@@EddBlackheart That was only true for certain larger ships and the intrepid, but the Sovereign class had a view screen viewport hybrid hence the helmsman being blown out into space in Nemesis. Most smaller vessels also had window viewports as did the old legacy ships many of which were still in service even during the Dominion War
Would love to see the Jem'hader go against Species 8472 and to see whose the "last man is?"
I'd say species 8472 or the Undine as there other name in story Arc. would likely win a one on one fight. given there incredible Regeneration and natural resistance to most energy weapons. plus there scratch alone can cripple most biological species. The Undine/8472 truly is a species of power and wonder even when they can blow up planets with little effort.
How about against sontarans
8472
@Chris Yes Janeway does have this rather annoying "survivability" factor that always surrounds her. 😂
8472 definitely
I loved seeing their comparisons and interactions with Klingons.
i really enjoyed when worf fought that jem hadar and he showed honor by recognizing and respecting worfs warrior spirit when he refused to yeild the fight… and then he was immediately shot and killed. too bad id love to see that jem hadar make a recurrence
Jem'Hadar, "I am dead. As of this moment we are all dead."
Vorta, "I'm not dead yet. I'm getting better."
Jem'Hadar, "No you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment."
Vorta:....we'll see who's dead at the end of this
VORTA: ITS TREASON THEN!
I think I'll go for a walk later!
@@vsgfilmgroup KLINGONS: YOU'RE NOT GETTING BETTER P'TAK!!!
@@IronWarhorsesFun Jem'Hadar "The Founders tell me I feel happy!"
A klingon fights for the honor of the Empire, their house, and themselves. Jem'hadar fight simply to win battle after battle for their gods/slave masters.
The episode where a Jem'Hadar was independent of Ketracel calls that into at least partial question. "You are surprised that a soldier would want more than the life of a slave?"
Then, of course, the Vor'Ta would certainly agree with you. "You fight because it is what you were DESIGNED to do," one says to a Jem'Hadar first when comparing them to Klingons.
sooooo... like the Imperial Guard? FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
Technically there is no difference.
@@captaindiaper2210 😂 DEATH KORPS OF JEM'HADAR!
@@rharris4736 Clonetroopers: THAT'S WHAT ORDER 66 IS FOR MATE
I think that with all the genetic modification you would think that the Founders would engineer a builder or construction race to make their cities and ships. Maybe we just haven't explored enough of Dominion space to find them
I think the Vorta do that. Most construction would be automated, so you could have Vorta engineers and scientists.
In fact Vorta scientists were referenced in one of the last episodes.
You also have all of the members of the Dominion. They seem to have a lot of autonomy.
I was wondering who the scientist and engineers of Dominion are. Clearly not the Jem'hadar or Vorta.
@@MandalorV7 the vorta do that I think
@@pnorbert2222I think Weyoun was lying to Dukat in that scene in order to get into his head.
Great episode, just wishing you would of talked about he differences between the Gemma and Alpha Jem'Hadar
There are basically no differences besides possibly a bit more hubris and autonomy by the Alphas
@@jonsnowight9510 Well, I realize the Pocketbooks series was not canon, but in it they developed a more independent culture and broke away from the Dominion. If I'm not mistaken, they formed a fast alliance with the Klingon Empire (and may have even become a member world, complete with an advisory-only seat on the High Council).
Difference between the 2 was The Jemhadar bred in the Alpha quadrant are simply that born in that side of space bred with training species knowledge to fight the races of the Alpha quadrant. The Gamma are the reverse as they were Bred with combat knowledge to deal with the races of the Gamma quadrant.
Such fabulous antagonists. They were unique and extremely well developed throughout the series arc. DS9 stood well on its own and unlike Voyager, didn't rip off or ruin TNG villains and storylines.
Agreed
Somehow the whole idea reminds me of a samuri jack episode about archers that used a magic well to become great warriors but were mindless and sightless.
Unngoy: when in doubt run away
Laughs in Zentradi.
I think the Unngoy won.
Let's just hope the Borg never get ahold of one!
the way the founders manipulated all these species with genetics and tech remind me of the Reapers in Mass Effect
I always thought the Borg would be Star Trek's equivalent of the reapers
The indoctrination side definitely fits, but Lobster Man is right: the Borg are the closest to the reapers.
They are "better" and don't seek to understand species more than what they learn from their destruction and (in the case of the keepers at least) subjugation.
With the Dominion, you had a chance of peace....if its _their_ peace and *only* their peace... But the reapers gave no quarter.
The Borg give no quarter, either.
Very obscure reference, but the story of Jem Hadar also reminds of og XCom alien races, who were geneticaly and cyberneticaly enhanced for example Mutons, floaters, sectoids etc.
And of the Zentraedi from Robotech/Macross.
The part more else explains the Klingons contempt for them. In their minds, they are not a warriors but machines because they have no deeper purpose to their existence than fighting
The klingons regard them as powerful fighters, the anti thesis of fighting to live instead of the klingon way of fighting honorably till death. But the jem hadar are more kamikaze in their attacks because of their knowledge of their lives are short and can be replaced just as there were different versions of weyoun
However i also believe the highest level klingons whove been through the most victorious battles will regard them hard to defeat, but more or less souless so the victory feels empty
Whoa, he's dead, RUN!! -Unngoy
Victory is Life!
And obedience is victory!
Victory is irrelevant. Resistance is futile.
They’re soulless creatures. Fighting for no goal, no purpose except to serve the Founders. They take no pleasure in what they do. Nothing is glorified, nothing is affirmed. To the Jem’Hadar we are nothing more than… than targets to be destroyed! I must not let them destroy us!
Not all theyre not.
One yielded to Worf out of honor and was murdered because of it.
Another had a conversation with Dax about how old she was.
@@Collectibles49 that jem'hadar was a good man, when ths vorta says that worf fights for "some primitive idea of honour" the first says "that is something you can never understand"
What's interesting is comparing them to *Augments,* which were created with far less advanced technology.
Khan could slaughter one easily, now imagine if humanity hadn't become genetic engineering phobic after WW3, but had advanced the science and worked out the megalomania and increased aggression bugs - which were due to a faulty brain transmitter, not being superhuman.
So 21st century human genetic engineering was superior to the Jem'Hadar … (except for that one psychological glitch).
In fact genetically engineered humans were far superior to any other species genetic engineering efforts - just look at Julian Bashir, the stats he had improved (he didn't get everything upgraded, and he was poor starting material, which was the point) made him vastly better than any alien in that area - perfect memory of DNA charts he saw years ago, able to throw a bullseye every time without effort.
[And according to some beta canon, the cloaking ability was a invasive technological implant that only worked when the Jem'Hadar was calm, so they couldn't be cloaked in combat (imagine if a Vulcan had one fitted, or they just learnt Vulcan mental discipline… yeh, no)].
It would probably lead to alot of wars because the aliens would be terrified of us
Joshua Sharwood the animated series?
Try comparing Jem'Hadar to the Neyel (geneticaly enhanced humans that were lost in Small Magellanic Cloud) from the Titan book series.
I think the Jem Hadar doesn’t work in combat is because of how they move. They seem to walk more on the cloak.
I wouldn't put it past the Dominion to have made the Jam'Hadar what they are as a punishment for being their enemy in the past.
Ds9. ..the dominion. The best time watching this during my childhood 😢
Ds9 is the best ever made
@@chrismaloney2108 I have been going through the series recently.
The Next Generation may have a rocky start but still good nonetheless.
Deep Space Nine however, very good. Season Two has really impressed me.
@@bobo577 it gets better as it goes. Once you get more into the gamma quadrant and the dominion battles and sisko as the emissary
Am I the only one who, at first, heard "two personal ice creams" at 08:18?
Their is evidence that their is an underground among the Jem'Hadar. Episode "To the death" feature not only Jem'Hadar that actively attack other dominion assets, it's sated by Weyoun that the founders ability to influence the jem'hadar has been overstated, Weyoun's 1st knowing the mission and what has occurred even when the information was mean't to be top secret .
Exactly , The Founders had an unnatural healthy fear ' of Rogue factions of renegade Killing machines that could jump , to anywhere in the Galaxy " and Dominate you on a moment's notice ! .... Yeah I'd be kinda Afraid also .
Here's Romulan - Reman relationship for ya! Proven, fierce Soldiers of The Empire, still, very much aware of own disfranchised position and very cynical about it, yet with sense of loyalty among themselves.
I play the game Stellaris where you can master genetic engineering. When I do so in game my favorite thing to do is conquer Honor bound warriors and turn them into genetically engineered war monsters stripped of free will. Use the traits very strong, resilient, and nerve stapled to conquer everyone. in one game they happened to also already be cyborgs so they where between the Jem'hadar and the Collectors. Was great.
I feel like I’ve watched every video in the index, Love if you made a video about a few of the humanoid alien species in DC and Marvel comics, thanks for the videos:)
I've been rewatching DS9 and forgot how intricately evil Kai Winn was. I would love to see a bio of that character here on your channel. I searched but didn't see one, so if I missed it, sorry about that!
She was pure evil
Thank you for the detailed video. One thing that is kind of funny and wasn't addressed too much on the show was how in actuality the Dominion could have been defeated rather easily. Just as troops march on their stomachs, the Jem'Hadar relied on the White which couldn't be replicated. Simply targeting the facilities, and supply chains much like in real war they would have been crushed.
They did address it and acted on it during the war
Damar's plan to poison the last supply of white if they could start new production? Very Cardassian.
I just thought of the good ol Jem'Hadar and then I clicked onto RUclips and saw this. Uncanny!!!
Nitpick: in the series finale, Ma Changeling says the Jem'Hadar had been the Dominion's "first line of defense" for "two millennia."
Also, you swapped the battlecruiser and battleship :). Otherwise, great series! I subscribed.
That was fantastic.
I really like these Cultural Indexes.
Looking forward to " The Breen. "
I stopped the jem'hadar STO story when they took away my bridge officers for some reason. OP little ship just made me dislike my other ships.
It'd be interesting to see a Jem'hadar team tasked with hostage rescue.
I love how the designed their faces. Like predators have forward facing eyes, prey side facing. These guys have such forward facing eyes they almost seem crosseyed
Wow. Thank you, out did yourself this time. Amazing, spot on
You should look into the different Votan races from the Defiance universe. There are 8 species from the same star system, in which 6 came together to save their species from a cosmic collision that destroyed their native star system and forced the survivors to travel to Earth.
Ungoy/Grunts!!! All the way even when they run away lolz
I am curious to see combat between the Jem'Hadar and Hirogen,
'Our gods never talk to us... and they don't wait for us after death. They only want us to fight for them. And to die for them.' - Goran'agar
Horned faced *Narns!*
I always thought DS9 was heavily influenced by *Babylon 5.*
What would make a great future Star Trek episode would be the discovery of prime jem hadars. Males and females that escaped and hid from the dominion for centuries and how they would unify with their engineered counterparts and stoping the dominion from trying to kill them.
You know, I always like to think the Jem'hadar are like the Roman Legionaries. Tough, Discipline, and almost fanatic to their service; no wonder why they're one of the deadliest soldiers in the galaxy.
The Legionaries also expected to be paid, many revolts among them happened when they weren't.
I like how the backgrounds of the videos are sometimes The species specific computer interface design :3
Awesome vids man love the personal logs on characters and cultural index vids.
I love the Star Trek Index.....Can you do The Breen, Talaxians, and Bolians at some point...?
The little speech the Jem'hadar do before battle is something I always picture Gurkhas doing
They remind me of the covenant from halo with their blind faith
Earth Augment vs Jem'hadar. Who wins?.
Depends. Is Khan leading the Augments?
Normal humans beat Jem'hadar on many occasions, Augments would wipe the floor with them everytime
Paging Dr. Bashir...
Augments don't die when left on their own for a short time.
@@RRW359 Well, Augments don't die if they don't get their white fix, but Augments left unsupervised for too long could wind up turning on each other out of their own innate "superiority".
Send in the Borg cube.assimilate there battle ships.
I always found them fascinating but very tragic. I actually feel sorry for them. In essence, they seem more "slave" like than the Vorta. As an African American, I've always had a level of sympathy for the Jem' Hadar--they do have deep code of ethics as pure warriors (but that level just may have been bred in them). I don't think it was a coincidence that most of the actors that portrayed them were African American or other POC. The producers of DS9 (especially DS9) made many episodes concerning race and racism, and may have been telling something about how the real world treated people who subjected to enslavement either had to "embrace' the belief systems of their enslavers or face obliteration by those same slavers, Great vid!
Interesting point
Avery Brooks even said that the season 3 episode "The Abandoned" was meant to be about how hard it is for inner city gang members to simply exist with the rest of society, that once they are too far in they can't get out, that violence, drugs (ketricel white was an analogy for crack), and sticking with others like that were all they had.
I prefer the theory that the Jem'hadar are the species that was hunting the Changeling's in the past, for crimes the Changeling's committed against them.
That is such a great mantra. I can not believe it came from the writer's room.
Have you done one on the Iconians? They made computer viruses strong enough to, in time, destroy Galaxy-class ships like _USS Yamato_ .
I would trust the word of a Jem'Hadar any day over the word of a Vorta.
Clone Trooper vs Jem'Hadar.
*Sits back eating popcorn watching the galaxy burn*
Sardaukur troopers from Duneiverse would anihilate them all by the tens of billions... but then theres the chaos marines.
Jem'hadar are more dangerous then the borg. At lasst a Borg can be severed from the collective. It's nearly impossible to break all that Dominion conditioning.
8:00 That is a little odd, I know that the name-scheme has been blurred, but I am fairly certain that it is [the small one, so many names], then the Battlecruiser/Battleship and finally the Battleship/Dreadnought, after all it does not make a lot of sense for a Battlecruiser to be twice as large as a Battleship...
A battlecruiser is a battleship that sacrifices durability for speed. Sometimes it sacrifices firepower instead, but that's less common. There's no reason that that can't mean a larger ship, though to be fair that's really rare in SF.
@@boobah5643 And the Dreadnought does seem to sacrifice speed
I don't know where else to put this so I'm going to put it here. In the Voyager episode Retrospect, Janeway is in the mood for some new firepower so Voyager rolls on up to the local arms dealer. They go to the trouble of fitting and test firing an "isokinetic cannon" and everyone is suitably impressed. Shenanigans then ensue and the arms dealer ends up dead, so why does the cannon get removed after the episode ends never to be heard of again. Given the local authorities views on the importance of trade with aliens I find it unlikely that they would have insisted on the cannon being returned. Bonus question, do you think the "memories" of the events that 7 of 9 recovered really happened to her or not? By the end of the episode everyone, 7 included has dismissed them as false but as I recall during his investigation the Doctor did find evidence of a memory block in 7's brain.
Will you being doing any of these on the Babylon 5 universe?
Would like see them fight the Hirogen.
The Dominion Fighters seem more like a corvette or gunship with a crew compliment that big.
This was excellent. Thanks!
"...so no other could question orders as they did not have the full picture of events..."
This is something I've been questioning for a long time, not just in Star Trek but everywhere.
Those who are working with the least amount of information have the most reason to question their orders. Not sure why anyone would see it differently.
How about S.M. Stirling’s infamous “Draka” series next?
And I gotta say, every time a Vorta perished I was delighted, as I’m sure they were too!
A series between the Klingon and Jem hadar might be bloody!
basically, the Jem Hadar are imperial clone troopers who can fight and who can actually hit what theyre aiming at.
With the cybermen coming up in series 12 of Doctor Who, I would like to see an index on them please. Also an index on either the Autobots or Decepticons or both combined as the cybertronians would also be an awesome index to see.
you forgot about the jem hadar from the alpha kwadrant that is a totally different jem hadar more agressive :P
So did the writers
I am deeply curious as to what happened to them after the Dominion surrendered. They are basically living weapons with virtually no sense of autonomy & they are completely dependent on the White, except for those that somehow broke that “addiction “. So purely warrior culture aside, it’s not like they can survive long independent of another sentient species to facilitate their development. Does the Federation attempt to “rehabilitate” them somehow or are they just left to their own devices to die or survive on their own? Or do the Founders retain control of them, but with the stipulation that they demilitarize them somehow?
The idea of being "already dead" is a commonly heard thing among real war vets. Many would say the only way to deal with combat is to know you already dead, and that knowledge liberates you to do what needs to be done to win a war. The creators of DS9 obviously took that idea and ran with it in the Jem'Hadar
I'd be curious to see a warhammer 40k video tbh, though, with how many channels already cover this, don't think it'd be a recurring topic.
They are genetically-engineered, that’s one of the reasons why they look less reptilian.
What would happen if the Dominion and the Borg meet?
@Zerebrat Eightyseven liquid drones
Watching this before my STO dominion playthrough
Race recommendation the Vidians. A Delta quadrant race whose whole culture was forced to center around the treatment of a disease that was killing them.
The Dominion is meant to be a foil to the Federation. The Vorta and Jem'Hadar being genetically engineered slave races is the antithesis of the Prime Directive.
The Federation came out of a combination of human ingenuity, Vulcan practicality, Tellarite diplomacy, and Andorian military might. The Vorta play a similar role to the Tellarites, and the Jem'Hadar to the Andorians.
considering the experience and skills that could be gained would a JEM'HADAR trill be theoretically possible?
As far as I know, "Honored Elders" among the Jem'Hadar are considered too important to be used lightly, and are used to train other Jem'Hadar or lead squads or commando teams on the most crucial missions or as military advisors on campaigns or important projects. There was one such Elder acting as a Mentor and Trainer to the Alpha Jem'Hadar(who he thought were to impetuous and lacked patience and discipline), as well as one training recruits at that prison/training compound. I'm surprised that one Vorta casually killed one, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were reprimanded or even executed for squandering such an asset.
I think it's worth mentioning that the Jem'Hadar will become mutinous if the Ketra-cel white isn't provided. This shows a deeper, more base level understanding of who they are as living beings that, when threatened with starvation, their loyalties go out the window.
Jem Had’ar vs Borg. Who wins??
"Avē Imperātor, moritūrī tē salūtant"
So Capt Hale is trained as a Pilot now?
When were you gonna show that off, Rick?
Jem hadar are intense warrior species.
Great video!! Keep up the good work!!😁
Easy to answer your last question. For admin Dominion rullers had Vorta. Once peace and order was established they would simply withdraw the supply of white and maintain only small detachments. If it takes only 3 days to rise a new army why would one bother to supply the enormous demands of large numbers of JemHaddar?
I always found it odd that both Voyager and DS9 had these purely warrior races. I am curious if there was any genetic ties between the Jem'Hadar and the Hirogen.
Referencing Evolution when it comes to a species that not only believes in creation, but their Gods literally walk among them.
Fascinating
Guess the DS9 writers must have watched Macross but took the idea a bit too far.
@JRPGFan20000 unless it was loud enough to be a sonic weapon
Jem'Hadar,Zentraedi, not that dissimilar....
YEEES, been waiting for this video
Jem'hader vs Hirogen
Who wins 1 vs 1?
I think the Hirogen
@@michaeldriggers7681 Any particular reasons why though?
Hirogen is a hunter race thus very adept at single targets.
The Jemhadar would be like a MMA fighter in a boxing match.
Here's a fan theory: the Jem'Hadar are an offshoot of Tosk. They wanted to become better warriors because they were being hunted by the Hirogen. "Captive Pursuit" was an example of the order the Dominion has imposed on the gamma quadrant - a Hirogen subspecies hunting a Jem'Hadar subspecies as a game, with the Omarion nebula strictly off limits to keep them from posing any danger to the Founders.
This all got me to thinking of different combinations of encounters in battle. How would the Jam Hadar fare against the Borg? How would the shapeshifting founders stand up to the Borg ? What would Dax and her symbiant become if assimilated ? Curious combos would be Borg and Gorn, Borg and Wesley Crushers phase shifting traveler friend, Borg and Cptn. Archers nemesis, the ceiling crawling camo skinned guy. How about Borg and the Augments or Kahns people. But what I think would be the best storyline for any Star Trek movie would have to be the Enterprise first meeting Dr. Who, then Dr. Who vs Q, then Dr. Who and Picard vs the Borg ! What do you think? If we are crossing series then Starfleet vs The Wraith or Wraith vs the Borg would be one for the ages! Which brings to mind a question, why did the Federation not design or equip fleets of ships with Holographic crews like the EMH doctor was on Voyages? You can't assimilate a hologram. But then in ALL Star Treks why was transporter technology not used as a weapon ??? The possibilities are endless.
Jem'hadar dangerous scary, but respectable.
The jemhadar look like modified Hirogen to me.
In STO if you follow the storyline you see the history behind making a military force and it's quiet interesting.
On another note in DS9 one jem'hadar develops some sort of way to not need the ketracel white.
How exactly does a plasma beam deliver an anticoagulant