I almost cried at that moment when this first aired back in 2005. I thought I was weird for feeling that way at the time, and I had no internet connection in those days to tell me otherwise.
The ship, sure. The Constitution-class was a pristine, sensibly-designed (by the standards of the universe) marvel, and has never needed an update. The sets... eh. Not so much.
Hate to admit it, but I could never get into the show - because of that brutally abysmal theme song. I know that there are those who liked it, but man, that song was simply god awful.
@@2bituser569 Oh, I definitely get that the lyrics fit the theme of the show. But man, that song is so cheesy, so vapid and trite. Yuck. Sad part is that I like Scott Bakula and liked the overall idea for the show (even if I had issues with how fast and loose they treated established continuity).
My english is not very good, so i used google translator for the following part: The number of viewers continued to decline from season to season. At that time, Paramount was only looking at the home market (USA). When a threshold was reached, management canceled the series. The actors were informed about this in the middle of filming Season 4. in german: Die Zuschauerzahlen gingen von Season zu Season weiter zurück. Paramount hatte damals nur auf den Heimmarkt (USA) geschaut. Als ein Schwellenwert unterschritten war, hat das Management die Serie gecanceled. Die Schauspieler wurden darüber mitten in den Dreharbeiten zur Season 4 informiert.
@@mr.retro-gamer That IS what happened, more or less. The series started off with solid numbers, but they quickly dropped. The fanbase was already divided over the decision to go backwards rather than continue on from Voyager, and most of the early episodes didn't engage in the world-building that a prequel nominally should be doing. The cancellation order came down while the first of the mirror episodes was being filmed.
Nobody was watching it anymore. After producing hundreds of episodes of sameness, mainstream audiences left in droves. Berman & Braga were incapable of producing something truly different. It was franchise fatigue
@@stevencramsie9172U don’t buy the fatigue excuse they gave. If they had went into the Romulan war and made the connections to tos like Manny Coto did in later seasons it would have done well. Also, irl Paramount UPN was dying too.
Since they built these sets and rendered or modelled the 2268 Defiant, it indicates they planned S5 to be the beginning of the TOS phase of Enterprise, or a spinoff to what is now Strange New Worlds. Being cancelled before the Romulan War, this being a swan song pair of late S4 episodes, they got the most tgey could out of the cost of the sets and new capital ship VFX.
S5 would've built up to the beginning of the Romulan War. The sets and CGI model were built for these two episodes and these two episodes alone; they were dismantled after filming was done (and the cancellation order came down.while part one was being filmed). SNW would've been nothing more than a fever dream of a few ardent fans in 2005.
@@CaptainSpadaro maybe, but as the Romulan war was described by Spock in 1966 (aka later assumed 2266)...the NX01 Enterprise is far too advanced. It was likely they were going to make it a proto 1701 enterprise design missing link with refits after the Xindi war... However if you look at season 1 to 3, Enterprise tried to ignore TOS. The ship design looks like a simplified Enterprise D...and Zephram Chochrane saw the Enterprise D in First Contact...and birthed this series. ENTERPRISE was a prequel to TNG, not TOS....until Paramount put it under a new showrunner for S4...and the series suddenly got good by explaining everything in TOS.
@@STho205 it was a prequel to TOS, mate. Paramount just put someone in charge who gave a damn for the last season. The NX-01 would seem primitive to someone used to a Constitution-class. Also the Enterprise-D wasn't in First Contact.
@@STho205 TATV had been written by Berman and Braga as a potential finale a year earlier, if memory serves. They didn't think they'd ever use the script. It also has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
Or how about “get us out of here” and “transfer power to engines” when they’re fully encased in an energy cage. The SFX people didn’t read the script. 😅
What I don't like was that the Tholians are way more powerful than they were "later" in TOS (granted it's another universe but even still). What I do like is seeing the mirror universe crew work together (despite their lack of trust). They're shown as more than 1 dimensional (which is pretty much what we saw in Mirror Mirror).
It never stops to amaze me how incredibly stupid humans from mirror universe are. I mean, we as species are aggressive and violent species but not that much. I if we have technology to move between stars we would use it for conquering, well there is always those who would but i dont think if united as one we would. Of course that changes if some alien species try to conquer us and failed then we conquer them but well. Mirror humans are so aggressive, arrogant, its seems its constantly battle royal on Terran ships. I dont like Starfleet been so darn passive and full of sissies (well, except Picad, Sisko and Janeway), but Starfleet is way better.
No they didn't. They were awesome episodes and tied nicely into TOS. Well done and well loved by Trek fans except those of you who love Disco and SNW..😂... I call those shows Baby Trek....😂
um yea these where the best in the series. really good take on mirror-verse ,obviously before humans where defeated and basically enslaved by the other alpha powers- klingon-cardi aliance as portrayed in the 2nd instal of "mirror" ala ds9
Best part of the season was when the Defiant bridge powered up and the TOS sound effects started playing
Best part of the series?
@@ModernSciFi I would agree with this, best part of the series.
I almost cried at that moment when this first aired back in 2005. I thought I was weird for feeling that way at the time, and I had no internet connection in those days to tell me otherwise.
@@thomasn3882 I was the same!
Man Hoshi was smokin hot!
Especially the very short glimpse of her backside when leaving the bridge at 3:59.
Still is.
Yes she is!
Oh yeah! 😍
Fire ❤️🔥
One of the best Mirror Universe run of episodes..
See, TOS STILL looks good. I'm looking at YOU, Kurtzman.
If you're directing a high school play.
@@delcox8165 In a mirror darkly, axannar, ST Continues, ST Phase 2.
It works.
The ship, sure. The Constitution-class was a pristine, sensibly-designed (by the standards of the universe) marvel, and has never needed an update. The sets... eh. Not so much.
@@fruitofthelum5815 The tos sets were good, too. Love em.
Such an underrated show. So much potential
Enterprise was a great show. It should've went on for another 4 years.
we have to destroy this ship worst idea ever for the empire to be honest they needed it to survive
Yes it should off.
ST Enterprise. Unlike some, I always liked it. Even more these days
Hate to admit it, but I could never get into the show - because of that brutally abysmal theme song. I know that there are those who liked it, but man, that song was simply god awful.
@@bradcsuka5054it seemed to fit the theme of taking first steps. I can’t say I loved it but it matched the prequel.
@@bradcsuka5054 Same here, that song was just god awful.
@@2bituser569 Oh, I definitely get that the lyrics fit the theme of the show. But man, that song is so cheesy, so vapid and trite. Yuck. Sad part is that I like Scott Bakula and liked the overall idea for the show (even if I had issues with how fast and loose they treated established continuity).
@@bradcsuka5054
You do know that there is a mute button on your remote, right?😉
They gave Hoshi a spinal column in this 2-parter ..... it was fun to watch. lol
Commander Archer and his crew beam aboard a federation starship from the future, the USS defiant.
“Dead Red-Shirt,situation….normal!”
I like how he pointed it at his head, you figure a basic gun safety course could have been arranged for the actors.
It was, by Alec Baldwin.
They are from the mirror universe, all of them gives a intergalactic F#%6!! about safety or others safety, is their religion XDDDD
Most underrated show in the whole Star Trek franchise! Was a damn good show! Why they canceled it. Who knows
Low ratings, Les Moonves hatred of sci-fi, UPN trying to court an 'urban' audience.
My english is not very good, so i used google translator for the following part:
The number of viewers continued to decline from season to season. At that time, Paramount was only looking at the home market (USA). When a threshold was reached, management canceled the series. The actors were informed about this in the middle of filming Season 4.
in german:
Die Zuschauerzahlen gingen von Season zu Season weiter zurück. Paramount hatte damals nur auf den Heimmarkt (USA) geschaut. Als ein Schwellenwert unterschritten war, hat das Management die Serie gecanceled. Die Schauspieler wurden darüber mitten in den Dreharbeiten zur Season 4 informiert.
@@mr.retro-gamer That IS what happened, more or less. The series started off with solid numbers, but they quickly dropped. The fanbase was already divided over the decision to go backwards rather than continue on from Voyager, and most of the early episodes didn't engage in the world-building that a prequel nominally should be doing.
The cancellation order came down while the first of the mirror episodes was being filmed.
Nobody was watching it anymore. After producing hundreds of episodes of sameness, mainstream audiences left in droves. Berman & Braga were incapable of producing something truly different. It was franchise fatigue
@@stevencramsie9172U don’t buy the fatigue excuse they gave. If they had went into the Romulan war and made the connections to tos like Manny Coto did in later seasons it would have done well. Also, irl Paramount UPN was dying too.
"I could hold that for you if you like?"
*Yeah right..*
"Nexr time.."
one of the best enterprise eps
Since they built these sets and rendered or modelled the 2268 Defiant, it indicates they planned S5 to be the beginning of the TOS phase of Enterprise, or a spinoff to what is now Strange New Worlds.
Being cancelled before the Romulan War, this being a swan song pair of late S4 episodes, they got the most tgey could out of the cost of the sets and new capital ship VFX.
S5 would've built up to the beginning of the Romulan War. The sets and CGI model were built for these two episodes and these two episodes alone; they were dismantled after filming was done (and the cancellation order came down.while part one was being filmed). SNW would've been nothing more than a fever dream of a few ardent fans in 2005.
@@CaptainSpadaro maybe, but as the Romulan war was described by Spock in 1966 (aka later assumed 2266)...the NX01 Enterprise is far too advanced. It was likely they were going to make it a proto 1701 enterprise design missing link with refits after the Xindi war...
However if you look at season 1 to 3, Enterprise tried to ignore TOS. The ship design looks like a simplified Enterprise D...and Zephram Chochrane saw the Enterprise D in First Contact...and birthed this series.
ENTERPRISE was a prequel to TNG, not TOS....until Paramount put it under a new showrunner for S4...and the series suddenly got good by explaining everything in TOS.
@@STho205 it was a prequel to TOS, mate. Paramount just put someone in charge who gave a damn for the last season. The NX-01 would seem primitive to someone used to a Constitution-class.
Also the Enterprise-D wasn't in First Contact.
@@CaptainSpadaro yeah,... that's why the original showrunner brought in Riker and Troi to do the finale on TNGs Enterprise as a holonovel.
@@STho205 TATV had been written by Berman and Braga as a potential finale a year earlier, if memory serves. They didn't think they'd ever use the script.
It also has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
Is that a continuity error I detect or was the ISS Enterprise NX-01 capable of firing weapons while cloaked????
Or how about “get us out of here” and “transfer power to engines” when they’re fully encased in an energy cage. The SFX people didn’t read the script. 😅
@@HawkGTboy
Yet the escape pods managed to get out ....🤔
"Hail to the Empire" After Kirk, this was the next best series.
lol
The last good Star Trek series ever made.
Kudos to whoever designed Starfleet's uniforms.
Ah real star trek not kurtzmans slop give us season 5 .
Archer died. AWESOME!
No, Archer was on the ship that didn't blow up.
@@mcarp555 He was poinsoned by HIS woman.
@@joejackson4627 Yes, but not in this clip.
What I don't like was that the Tholians are way more powerful than they were "later" in TOS (granted it's another universe but even still). What I do like is seeing the mirror universe crew work together (despite their lack of trust). They're shown as more than 1 dimensional (which is pretty much what we saw in Mirror Mirror).
It never stops to amaze me how incredibly stupid humans from mirror universe are. I mean, we as species are aggressive and violent species but not that much. I if we have technology to move between stars we would use it for conquering, well there is always those who would but i dont think if united as one we would. Of course that changes if some alien species try to conquer us and failed then we conquer them but well. Mirror humans are so aggressive, arrogant, its seems its constantly battle royal on Terran ships. I dont like Starfleet been so darn passive and full of sissies (well, except Picad, Sisko and Janeway), but Starfleet is way better.
agree
you'd think if mirror humans were that clueless they'd have blown the mirror Earth up
Really don't like the terrans but was still rooting for them here. Bummer Archer got ganked by Hoshi no less.
Best Star Trek! Was THE ORIGINALl and ENTERPRISE!
What's with the Starfleet bikini uniform?
Ask the Spock with a beard to explain it to you some time.
(alternate universe, Empire vs Federation)
The best part about Evil Starfleet
Please turn in your nerd card. You are an embarrassment to Star Trek fans....😂
@@Anth230 Agreed!
Did the cat just muzzle-sweep his own head, and one of his crewmen?
why make it in squish-o-vision?
Yes it was fanboy pandering, but it was still great storytelling!
2:25, it's some type of web
star war is a story
season 4 E 18, 19
Where toilets aboard,hmmm
I don't like the captin, he stinks 😩
Other than the hot outfits Hoshi and T'Pol were wearing these two episodes sucked.
No they didn't. They were awesome episodes and tied nicely into TOS. Well done and well loved by Trek fans except those of you who love Disco and SNW..😂... I call those shows Baby Trek....😂
um yea these where the best in the series. really good take on mirror-verse ,obviously before humans where defeated and basically enslaved by the other alpha powers- klingon-cardi aliance as portrayed in the 2nd instal of "mirror" ala ds9
this series was such, such crap.
!?!?!?! WTF ! The start of the killing of Trek. What garbage...
Its dead ... not coming back... leave it be.
Yeah, the Temporal Cold War plot line and the Xindi weapon one were garbage. Enterprise should have focused on the Romulan War instead.
@@timonsolus agreed but at least here they did the Defiant right
I'd watch an ST:Ent reboot series. If they brought Braga and the old crew if writers back.
@@davidlipman8093 the actors are too old now.
THE TOS DEFIANT'S NUMBER WAS 1717!
WHY IN THE HELL DIDN'T SOMEBODY CHECK THE SOURCE?
Maybe check your sources again, because the TOS Defiant‘s number was NCC 1764!
1717 was the registry number of the YORKTOWN.
at 0:20 , that ain't the defiant.
the defiant is smaller and able to dock on a regular space station and not be a massive target
TOS: The Tholian Web
That is the original USS Defiant.
That my friend is the original Defiant from TOS. Don’t confuse her with DS9‘s Defiant.
Thats an older TOS era USS Defiant, which looks remarkably like the original series Enterprise.
@@vincentharriman3283 because it’s a constitution class just like the Enterprise
@@Nimmy82MD thanks, I couldn't think what class the original enterprise was.