One thing in an interview the lady who plays the therapist said that there was so much extemporaneous acting between Anthony Mackie and Sebastián Stan there was hours of footage they did not use in the couple therapy scene. The actors are such good friends and they play off of each other so well it was hard to get the right tone for the scene.
I believe it. Honestly, Bucky and Sam's relationship in this show often reminded me of Seb and Mackie (the actors) in real life. They're great fun to watch in interviews.
I love how their trust naturally grows over the series. I immediately noticed how Bucky refused to share his nightmares with his therapist, but when Sam asks about it, he answers truthfully without hesitation. Bucky isn’t so proud that he won’t admit he’s wrong and apologize for it. He’s a good man at heart.
Sam and Bucky is fascinating because it’s an older relationship that has to go to a new place. Steve is the one who brought them together but now they have to figure out life without him.
Aww I am so glad you did this. That scene when Bucky says" if he was wrong about you then maybe he was wrong about me" gets me every time. Can't wait for tomorrow's episode but I am also a little bummed because then there will only be 3 more episodes left. Yep they are defiantly becoming best buds.
i agree... i saw the actress, who plays bucky's therapist, said 'he will kill himself if he doesn't go through this' about bucky.. i'm losing my mind over it
My favorite scene is When Bucky apologizes to Sam saying "When Steve told me what he was planning, I don't think either of us understood what it meant for a black man to carry that shield" because I feel like that truly summed up the entirety of Sam's dilemma and it brought their original disagreement full circle.
Literally, the couples therapy scene made me tear up because it sounded a lot like my wife and me coming to an agreement to disagree. I’ve had a lot of trauma in my life and she has had it relatively easy (no trauma), and this sounded like something we would do in a “hear me moment”
That is an interesting fact you have presented, that couples therapy is not just for romantic partners. I mean Fandom jokes about it, especially in the sector I live in (fanfic), but it's interesting to hear it is a broader ground methodology.
One thing that really struck me with those scenes in the police station was the apparent conflicting priorities of the therapist. She's giving honest helpful advice to Bucky that "nobody gets hurt," which seems to be that he should avoid violent situations. Yet as far as the government are concerned, her mandate seems to be to get Bucky into a space where he can be functional to go back in the field. It does leave me wondering if they'll develop that further later on where she priorities what's best for him over what the people paying her bills want.
That's exactly what Nique Marina said in her rant about that therapist. VA/military therapy is just there to get you back on the job, not cure the underlying problem.
As a veteran I can relate to this friendship. I have some members I served with I consider brothers, and defiantly remember having words and rough times. But its something special when you went through tough times with someone that creates a really strong bond. It allows you to be more open and responsive cause you can relate to their pain.
Yes, it did appear from the couples therapy scene that the therapist did not have to work that hard, as both people seem to have enough of a bond that they weren't "cold," confrontational or throwing things at each other. If they were fighting more bitterly the meeting would have been much harder. So the film therapist should have been reinforcing the communication with "did you hear him?" comments. Bucky had already been through sessions for months, so it's not surprising that he opened up more readily.
I love the very end when Sam is gazing off into the sea. And Bucky walks up behind him. They don’t look at each other and they’re in sync as pals. It’s great. Loved this show.
Spot on analysis, well done! One thing I would like to add: both of them mentioned Steve, a topic neither of them really talked about since probably Endgame. The shield was both their way of finally talking about him. They do admit they miss Steve in the final episode (indirectly) and put it to rest almost instantly, a nice end to their question of who they are without him reminding them.
Thank you for the insight. I would love to hear more about what you think about Dr. Raynor and her methods, especially in episode 1. In this she got them to open up a little. But I feel like she is generally not really doing a good job with Bucky (passive aggressive, dismissive, talking him down, forcing her opinion on him etc.)
Honestly most people I know loathe her because she's terrible at her job - especially with letting everyone in the police station know that Bucky's in therapy and then forcing Sam into the therapy session (which she didn't have the right to do). Plus the notebook thing - such a trigger for Bucky and yet ugh.
One thing - I believe - about the aggressiveness of the therapist (taking his phone and calling him out on the lack of friends, etc) in this show is that she's former military, dealing with other former military clients, likely dealing with PTSD. She's more gruff and belligerent because that's a type of communication that soldiers understand. It's a form of bonding, and it's not limited to "guy talk" or anything, either. It's just...a different form of relationship. Now, I don't know if this is accurate to reality, as far as how therapists work, even dealing with military members. But that is, again, I believe, the characterization they're shooting for with her scenes.
Honestly you should check out Nicque Marina's (she's former military - air force) videos about the therapist. Yes it's technically accurate on how military therapists work but also - and this is important - they're not good at their job and neither is this fictional therapist.
I kind of agree with that, having been in the military myself. that technique keeps him coming back and making progress. if she went more "by the book," he would stop opening up to her because he would be uncomfortable. the way she talks to him is familiar ground.
@@dragonwings36 I mean my main objection to her is that when Bucky finally opens at the end of the second therapy scene she doesn't follow it up at all. Sam brushes it off quite callously, and you can tell it upset Bucky who ends up leaving the room implying he wants to hurt somebody.
For me, the premise of this show is not about the two becoming friends, these two became instant friends the moment they met, and have spent every moment since denying it as loudly as they can, this show is about the pair of them dealing with their respective issues, while even more loudly denying that they have reached best friend status. As for the Therapist calling out Bucky on his cellphone, I would assume her approach has some Adlerian influences, where pointing and confronting clients on the inconsistencies between what they do and say helps to maintain the authenticity of the established relationship. Personally I’ve found it especially effective with clients who have military backgrounds as they tend to distrust people they don’t feel are being forthright with them. One of the other pieces to consider is the character Sam is himself a trained counsellor, who used to work with veterans. It can also be said to be a good portrayal of how counsellors can struggle to heed the same advice they would give their clients, and so need people to fill that role in their lives.
Thank you for your educated insights i really appreciate the thoughts on working specifically with veterans and Adler. Gives me a different facet to look at.
They both are special forces military men and are super hero comrades who saved the world a couple a times together. Buck is also a man of the 1940's at heart. So their dynamic is different than most people.
Good point you make about Sam supporting Bucky when he doesn't agree with visiting Zemo. Bucky later returns the favor by defending Sam's choice to try therapy on Karli even though he's not convinced she can be saved. He says they're not partners but it's easy to see why John doesn't believe him.
I mean that's probably also due to the fact that pretty much everyone thought Bucky was past saving too. Perhaps he saw a bit of himself in her. Although there's no real parallels. Karli is an incredibly selfish individual who willingly kills because she narcissistically believes her cause is right. Bucky was a conscripted soldier who killed to protect his friends in the war, and later was forced into it against his will.
What has been overlooked so far is that Sam did try to talk to Bucky, but Bucky was ignoring him. There is no way he would not have discussed the shield with Bucky before giving it up, if they were on speaking terms. In my head canon, he spoke to Rhodey after Bucky wasn't responding. Rhodey too thinks Sam giving up the shield is a mistake, but that's ok. Sam needed communication, not validation. And when Walker is declared Cap, Bucky shows up angrily demanding answers. Some nerve! Don't get me wrong, I adore Bucky (even more than Sam) and his journey up to admitting his mistakes was beautiful to watch. But Sam is just more empathetic and patient to wait for Bucky to get to the place where he can accept help. All this while dealing with his own demons and saving the world.
I would love to see you react to the rest of this series. Having seen episode 4, there are at least two very poignant scenes to gain some therapy insights from you, but it would depend on what happens by the end of episode 6. I got this video recommended from watching a RUclips channel Implicitly Pretentious who provides commentary that has a more philosophical approach to the type of discussions you create as a therapist. So if you don't plan on covering the rest of this series (which I still hope you do!), I would at least recommend that channel to you!
I love this! I'm a semi-retired secondary special ed teacher. I've had to "play therapist" for my (mostly male) middle and high school students for the past 20 years and started watching MCU films partially to have something I could share with my students. Your knowledge of the characters and appreciation for them as well as your professional take on this show is really refreshing! Thank you!
He had a really good friend, who abandoned him to get some dead woman's nookie. So I understand his reluctance to make friends when his friend of 100 years spit in his face.
I wonder if you would do an evaluation on Bucky flirting with Sam sister? That part was funny and cute. Bucky is a lot more relaxed there then in brooklyn.
I feel like at the end of the couples therapy scene, when Bucky asks "What was rule number 2 again?" And she says "No one gets hurt." And he just has this sad look on his face before he leaves, it's like he's saying "So why did i have to get hurt emotionally." I think Bucky really wanted to be friends with Sam, he just has no clue how to approach it, so Sam saying "We'll never see each other again" really hurt him. Would love to see your take on the scene of them talking while throwing the shield back and forth, as well as that whole arc of Bucky coming to help with the boat.
What do you say about the red journal she‘s having? I know many therapists have their notebooks but especially with Bucky‘s history shouldn’t she be a little more careful with it? In the very first episode she gets it out and slams it on her thigh a little to aggressively which is a 100% trigger for Bucky‘s PTSD. In the past every time someone got out a red book he lost control over his life and was forced to kill.
I didn't realize it was red, tbh, nor did I understand why "the notebook thing" is annoying to Bucky. Someone replied to my comment in another video, stating that the therapist was doing a different approach, and I tried to understand despite not fully agreeing to it. You just give me a reason I didn't know I needed, so thanks!
A psychotherapist named Georgia gives me all kinds of Ray Charles vibes because you are literally "on their minds". I'm sure you've heard that a million times. LOL. Nice video. I appreciate the perspective of a professional and heard a few things that I need to incorporate into my own friendships, so thanks.
Wow I am so glad I stumbled upon this, I find your analysis as a therapist fascinating. I have been a professional tarot card reader for 20 years and deal with a lot of various trauma and personal issues. I certainly am not as skilled as you but over the years have become a pretty solid armchair psychologist. Thus watching those trained in such as yourself is helpful when trying to steer my clients in the right direction. Many times I try to encourage them to seek out help from people like you. So very insightful, keep up the amazing work!
I think in the therapy scene, when Bucky says "if he was wrong about you maybe he was wrong about me", actually shows how low Bucky feels for what he has done as the Winter Soldier, even though he didn't have a choice. The one thing that gives him hope is that Steve never gave up on him and always saw the good in him. So he fears that - if Steve was wrong about deeming Sam worthy of being the next Captain America - Steve may also have been wrong with believing in Bucky to be a good man.
.I was glad to hear a real therapist talk about how bad a job the therapist in the show did. I could not stand her. You can tell literally all she cares about is making sure Bucky doesn’t just start killing people. Because that’s all she’s told to do. She could not care less about Bucky or Sam or anyone, she just wants to do her job as little as possible. And she has a really bad attitude.
Friends: They're there even when you don't want them to be. They laugh at you when you fall and hurt yourself and get it on film. (I think I'm starting to understand why friends are so important just from those two observations.)
I'm not a therapist or psychologist, but I had a decent amount of therapy and I have worked as social service provider and I am really not vibing with the therapy. I know that they're play of earlier buddy cop work that featured no nonsense style therapists, but it a bit much. If spoke to my clients especially the ones known trauma I would be potential looking at ethics discussions or mandatory retraining depending on the circumstances. As funny as certain bits of the couples session where I was extremely uncomfortable how she basically guilted Sam into the session in an interrogation room after been profiled by the police. Group work in my experience is only productive if all party feel secure, willing, and ready and the set up for that session seems like none of those things especially for Sam. Also, I gone back over the scene several times now I am still not sure who the session was to be for, because she is Bucky's therapist, but she ropes Sam in and calls it a couples session, but her focus still be on Bucky and his needs, which also isn't a great set up for group work and making sure everyone feels heard.
Part of it is the diff between the VA and private practice. The VA would be focused with moving the patient towards a functional life, less so with sorting through the issues themselves.
@@DiegoMartinezCoria It is certainly a valid point that the VA often puts the focus on the functionality in care. My Dad is a veteran and worked for the VA for over a decade so I've seen and heard what your talking about firsthand. Do they establish that Dr. Rainer is with VA though? I know the therapy is court mandated (which also isn't often quality care) and she is a veteran but I know several people that serviced or were with the VA and now do private practice with pro bono or sliding scale work with other veterans and other populations have issues access care (though one would hope Bucky got his backpay). Either way I think my broader points about her actions her actions ethical questionable still stand especially when comes to pulling Sam into that surprise session.
One of my favorite lines in all of the MCU: "And if he was wrong about you he was wrong about me!" You can hear so much devestation in that line. Bucky has to be in my top 3 marvel characters.
best depiction of straight male friends in media. They have some discomfort with being open with their emotions because that's how society teaches us to be, but they still care for one another and make sure the other one knows it.
I really wish you would have commented on the 1:1 session with Bucky and the therapist a bit more in a separate video. :) Her quote “If you are alone, that is the quietest, most personal hell. And it is very hard to escape.” As someone who battles depression, this quote put me in tears because it is the most accurate depiction of what I have and continue to go through (even with proper medication and therapy).
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Love the breakdown and love the outtake. Keep it up please! Still would like to see a full analysis on U.S. Agent (New Capt. America) but willing to wait till the end for that. :)
I know this is an older video, but I would love to see a breakdown of John Walker and how his mental state changed throughout the show. It's clear the pressure of being Captain America is weighing heavily on his shoulders and he wants to do good by his country and its people, but failure after failure starts getting to him, especially when he lost that fight to the Dora Milaje. He said "they don't even have powers" or something along those lines and I could tell his confidence was crushed. He could take losing to a group of people with super strength, but not to a non-powered person. Not to mention it was a non-powered woman he lost to and John grew up in a society that only saw women as weak. (This is just my speculation.) He became increasingly unhinged after that. Killing the member of the Flag Smashers in broad daylight, not mentally handling his dishonorable discharge very well, and then his outright turn to crazy mode when he ignored the court when they told him to return the shield, continued to use it and the suit, and kept yelling "I am Captain America! I am Captain America!" The shift of John's psyche from "I just want to help my country" to "I have to be the best" is worth exploring in my opinion.
@@GeorgiaDow haha thanks lovin channel binged all ur reacts videos love seeing fiction through the lens of a therapist especially your reaction to the sopranos therapy session was very i thought provoking that and wanda vision analysis dealing with grief were my personal favorites
These videos are great. You know in ancient times elders would tell tales to children about the gods, mythical creatures, legends and so on. Though they were fiction many times there would be life lessons in the stories for the children to learn from. You analyzing super hero movies and shows like this is a real great way to teach people, especially youth, about therapy and related topics. I hope you keep it up. You could do a lot with Tony Stark.
I wish Bucky would listen to Sam. To me, as much as I love Bucky as a character (he's defenitely one of my favourites and one of the most interesting in the MCU), he was a little bit selfish in the therapy session and I think he's trying to measure his self-worthiness on Sam when he says that if Steve was wrong about Sam then he was wrong about him too. It's not fair to Sam that he's doing so, his healing journey and his self esteem should not depend on Sam. Sam has plenty of reasons to not want that shield (first of all, Steve didn't even ask Sam if he wanted it, he just kinda dumped it on Sam without considering what it could mean for him) and not wanting that shield doesn't make him less of a good person. I understand that Bucky has gone through a lot, that he's alone and that the shield is the only thing he has left of Steve, but he didn't even try to listen to Sam and I hope that as the show goes on he learns to listen as they become friends. Overall, I agree, their dynamic is so adorable, I love the banter! (I apologise if my English isn't perfect)
I think they would've needed to stay in that session for just 10 more minutes or so. I agree that it's important for Bucky to listen to Sam. I felt like he was starting to think about what Sam said, judging from his quiet and looking down. It must be extremely hard for Bucky to get out of his traumatised mind and change perspectives. After all Steve was the one who supported him no matter what and now he has to deal with his loss (and therefore lots of support) on top of the trauma. Props to Sam for still being patient and compassionate although he has a lot to deal with himself.
@@dundiesplan9085 I agree. Sam has a lot of patience, and I think that he genuinely cares about Bucky, he looks out for him and constantly asks him if he's okay, and Bucky clearly cares for him too, since he does the same exact thing. I think they just need time to learn to understand each other and learn how to communicate, specially Bucky.
Yes, thank you!! I was looking for comment like this!! Bucky has been pretty inconsiderate to Sam throughout the series. I love his character too, but he's been acting pretty selfish lately.
They both have a ways to go, and I don't think it will be all neatly wrapped up in a bow by the end of the show like people expect, just like people over expected what was to happen by the end of Wandavision. BUT what I DO expect is for them to both grow together and learn to deal with whatever shit they are dealing with both apart and together, and for it to set up them taking over Captain America and White Wolf instead of Falcon and Winter Soldier. And maybe, in growing together, they will decide that they are a team (even if they don't call it that) and they will hold the legacy of Cap together, even if Sam 'officially' takes the title. It would be a neat way for them to work in the idea of them both being Cap as they were in the comics, to have them working together as a Cap team rather then separate Caps at separate times.
Aww, you didn’t talk about my favorite moment, so i’d like to ask about your opinion! When the therapist is saying that you did it all right but it didn’t help with the nightmares - and Bucky is instantly answering well like i said i didn’t have any.. so what do you think about Bucky’s instant lying defensive reaction? He’s in pain, not opening up and so on.. what’s your opinion?
I think that their friendship is closer than all of my relationships because I pushed everybody away from me. I think that I need good therapy, but I don't have access to good therapy other than these videos.
I think we can cut the therapist some slack, because what we see aren't complete sessions. They are edited not only for time, but for narrative reasons. And by edited I not only mean in post, but even in the writing phase. It would drag on a lot if we heard her jumping in and controlling the situation every time, so I think we can assume she did it and that's why Sam and Bucky know what to do, we just didn't see it.
A friend of mine recommended 7 principles for making marriage work by John Gottmann because it works for all kinds of relationships. Would you be willing to do a video on this book and how it applies to relationships besides marriage because it could explain and enhance all kinds of relationships.
I would disagree the Bucky understands Sam’s apprehension as much as you think. If he did I don’t think he would keep asking about the shield and also not just tell him to give his ID. Maybe he/s close tho and I’m sure the writers will get him there by end of season
I feel like Bucky was thinking about the situation pragmatically. Sam did nothing wrong, but in a situation like that, refusing to cooperate with the cops would have just led to more trouble. If Sam had not been who he was, refusing to turn over his ID was about to make the situation even uglier.
@@misspriss2482 maybe .. but they are superheroes and supposedly becoming friends. You stand against what’s wrong .. period. Even more so If he had his back. But that’s just me I guess
@@chebuwright4216 And they got there, Bucky understood, in the laste 3 episodes, but he did :) (And a lot of us too, because white girl in Latin América, there is SO much I just have NO idea about :( )
@@patijones1979 yes he did! I’m glad they let him grow into it. Hope to see more of them :) I found it really telling how long it took most white people to see what black people caught from the start (especially the scene with Rodie in episode one). We are so used to only one perspective in our lives in general from most forms of our media and experiences that we rarely see others in a true likeness. That’s an area we can do better in and I think the show gave us so much that.
@@chebuwright4216 I'm so glad too. I was born in Argentina, moved around South America, now I live in México, and I know doors have opened for me because I don't look indigenous, even being a woman, I have a big privilege there (Sucks, but pretending I don't won't help anyone). But there is just no way for me to understad the day to day of black people in the US because I've never been to the US, not even on holidays, so, how could I know? This show even helped me find voices I needed to hear. So yes, I'm with you there, we can do better, we must do better, I know I do, and I hope there is more to come, because this is how pop culture helps. :)
I watched this series and from the very beginning I did not like this therapist. She seemed to be very directive to me, dominating and roasting Bucky about his phone. At times she mentioned his negative things, e.g. he has no friends, no family, he is 100 years old. Even her tone of voice was not friendly and respectful at all. What do you think about it? Maybe it was her unusual method of motivating Bucky to pull himself together and move forward but I didn't receive any warm emotions from her. She seemed to be tired of Bucky's "stupid" or "childish" problems, as youcan hear at 6:44 when she put a lot of strong stress at "DON'T". Maybe she had just a occupational burnout.
Oh that is a very good point = ) I will remember that. I hope one day men can be playful and cute and not feel a stigma but it is definitely still there. Thank you Justin I will make sure to keep it in mind.
My conclusion is they're idiots lol. Both are right. Both are wrong. And neither one wants to back down. Both want the other to validate their individual views while simultaneously not giving any ground.
The therapist in this nice show is aweful. How the hell did she get her job. When bucky sais he wants peace. She is attacking him and also jumps to conclusions based of her own behavior.
I think it really is just army talk. My theory on the side, I don't think they wanted Bucky to get better for “civilization”. They wanted another soldier who wasn't a liability. But coming from a military background with her own trauma, she speaks Bucky’s language and his truthful with him(because he doesnt trust anyone, except for Sam). I actually like this therapist, just for the fact that she's doing what's best for him as opposed to what's best for the government’s interest.
In conclusion: Sam and Bucky are adorable.
They aren’t partners, they are friends and they are a team! Also for me they both keep who SteveRogers was alive
@@ChristopherMorningstar-t5u i ship sambuckyzemo and steve rogers is not in the series but he's mentioned
One thing in an interview the lady who plays the therapist said that there was so much extemporaneous acting between Anthony Mackie and Sebastián Stan there was hours of footage they did not use in the couple therapy scene. The actors are such good friends and they play off of each other so well it was hard to get the right tone for the scene.
thanks so much for sharing this. Great to know and must have been a hilarious scene to film
I really hope they release some of that footage!
Makes too much sense. They're both goofy dudes and probably burst out laughing as soon as they tried the staring scene.
I believe it. Honestly, Bucky and Sam's relationship in this show often reminded me of Seb and Mackie (the actors) in real life. They're great fun to watch in interviews.
I love how their trust naturally grows over the series. I immediately noticed how Bucky refused to share his nightmares with his therapist, but when Sam asks about it, he answers truthfully without hesitation. Bucky isn’t so proud that he won’t admit he’s wrong and apologize for it. He’s a good man at heart.
I wonder if that part of the "brothers in arms" bond.
Its not that he was proud, its that he didn't entirely trust the therapist for some reason, or wasn't prepared to open up to her.
Sam and Bucky is fascinating because it’s an older relationship that has to go to a new place. Steve is the one who brought them together but now they have to figure out life without him.
Aww I am so glad you did this. That scene when Bucky says" if he was wrong about you then maybe he was wrong about me" gets me every time. Can't wait for tomorrow's episode but I am also a little bummed because then there will only be 3 more episodes left. Yep they are defiantly becoming best buds.
i agree... i saw the actress, who plays bucky's therapist, said 'he will kill himself if he doesn't go through this' about bucky.. i'm losing my mind over it
The way his voice shook. That got me.
The way Sam brushes it off though. Cold. He's opening his heart dude, don't dismiss it that would not end well.
My favorite scene is When Bucky apologizes to Sam saying "When Steve told me what he was planning, I don't think either of us understood what it meant for a black man to carry that shield" because I feel like that truly summed up the entirety of Sam's dilemma and it brought their original disagreement full circle.
I love that scene too! The fact that he explicitly says "I'm sorry" is just so satisfying to me. I love how their relationship developed!
should’ve been titled “a therapist shipping sam and bucky for 10 minutes”
Sam and Bucky being that gay couple for 10 minutes straight
@@acedelta12 as they should
yup
Sam and bucky being a married couple for 10 minutes and 5 seconds
two brothers being forced to give up the all important man space.
Literally, the couples therapy scene made me tear up because it sounded a lot like my wife and me coming to an agreement to disagree. I’ve had a lot of trauma in my life and she has had it relatively easy (no trauma), and this sounded like something we would do in a “hear me moment”
Best wishes.
The best part about Sam and Bucky is that Anthony and Sebastian are friends in real life
The: "If he was wrong about you, then he was wrong about me" gets me choked up without a fail.
That is an interesting fact you have presented, that couples therapy is not just for romantic partners. I mean Fandom jokes about it, especially in the sector I live in (fanfic), but it's interesting to hear it is a broader ground methodology.
Also my current standing theory for this show is that Bucky will gain a level of self-acceptance when Sam feels worthy of being Captain America.
@@TheMimiSard Nicely done I also think it will be a parallel journey.
One thing that really struck me with those scenes in the police station was the apparent conflicting priorities of the therapist. She's giving honest helpful advice to Bucky that "nobody gets hurt," which seems to be that he should avoid violent situations. Yet as far as the government are concerned, her mandate seems to be to get Bucky into a space where he can be functional to go back in the field. It does leave me wondering if they'll develop that further later on where she priorities what's best for him over what the people paying her bills want.
That's exactly what Nique Marina said in her rant about that therapist. VA/military therapy is just there to get you back on the job, not cure the underlying problem.
Well that puts a whole new light on Bucky's story. I hope they explore that in future!
Bucky by far has the best superhero landing in history.
lmaoooo The VERY best....omg lol
As a veteran I can relate to this friendship. I have some members I served with I consider brothers, and defiantly remember having words and rough times. But its something special when you went through tough times with someone that creates a really strong bond. It allows you to be more open and responsive cause you can relate to their pain.
Yes, it did appear from the couples therapy scene that the therapist did not have to work that hard, as both people seem to have enough of a bond that they weren't "cold," confrontational or throwing things at each other. If they were fighting more bitterly the meeting would have been much harder. So the film therapist should have been reinforcing the communication with "did you hear him?" comments. Bucky had already been through sessions for months, so it's not surprising that he opened up more readily.
I love the very end when Sam is gazing off into the sea. And Bucky walks up behind him. They don’t look at each other and they’re in sync as pals. It’s great. Loved this show.
Spot on analysis, well done!
One thing I would like to add: both of them mentioned Steve, a topic neither of them really talked about since probably Endgame. The shield was both their way of finally talking about him. They do admit they miss Steve in the final episode (indirectly) and put it to rest almost instantly, a nice end to their question of who they are without him reminding them.
Very well said
Thank you for the insight. I would love to hear more about what you think about Dr. Raynor and her methods, especially in episode 1. In this she got them to open up a little. But I feel like she is generally not really doing a good job with Bucky (passive aggressive, dismissive, talking him down, forcing her opinion on him etc.)
Honestly most people I know loathe her because she's terrible at her job - especially with letting everyone in the police station know that Bucky's in therapy and then forcing Sam into the therapy session (which she didn't have the right to do). Plus the notebook thing - such a trigger for Bucky and yet ugh.
@@dragonwings36 yeah,she seemed more to be judging him than helping
One thing - I believe - about the aggressiveness of the therapist (taking his phone and calling him out on the lack of friends, etc) in this show is that she's former military, dealing with other former military clients, likely dealing with PTSD. She's more gruff and belligerent because that's a type of communication that soldiers understand. It's a form of bonding, and it's not limited to "guy talk" or anything, either. It's just...a different form of relationship.
Now, I don't know if this is accurate to reality, as far as how therapists work, even dealing with military members. But that is, again, I believe, the characterization they're shooting for with her scenes.
Honestly you should check out Nicque Marina's (she's former military - air force) videos about the therapist. Yes it's technically accurate on how military therapists work but also - and this is important - they're not good at their job and neither is this fictional therapist.
I kind of agree with that, having been in the military myself. that technique keeps him coming back and making progress. if she went more "by the book," he would stop opening up to her because he would be uncomfortable. the way she talks to him is familiar ground.
@@dragonwings36 I mean my main objection to her is that when Bucky finally opens at the end of the second therapy scene she doesn't follow it up at all. Sam brushes it off quite callously, and you can tell it upset Bucky who ends up leaving the room implying he wants to hurt somebody.
For me, the premise of this show is not about the two becoming friends, these two became instant friends the moment they met, and have spent every moment since denying it as loudly as they can, this show is about the pair of them dealing with their respective issues, while even more loudly denying that they have reached best friend status.
As for the Therapist calling out Bucky on his cellphone, I would assume her approach has some Adlerian influences, where pointing and confronting clients on the inconsistencies between what they do and say helps to maintain the authenticity of the established relationship. Personally I’ve found it especially effective with clients who have military backgrounds as they tend to distrust people they don’t feel are being forthright with them.
One of the other pieces to consider is the character Sam is himself a trained counsellor, who used to work with veterans. It can also be said to be a good portrayal of how counsellors can struggle to heed the same advice they would give their clients, and so need people to fill that role in their lives.
Thank you for your educated insights i really appreciate the thoughts on working specifically with veterans and Adler. Gives me a different facet to look at.
They both are special forces military men and are super hero comrades who saved the world a couple a times together. Buck is also a man of the 1940's at heart. So their dynamic is different than most people.
Good point you make about Sam supporting Bucky when he doesn't agree with visiting Zemo. Bucky later returns the favor by defending Sam's choice to try therapy on Karli even though he's not convinced she can be saved. He says they're not partners but it's easy to see why John doesn't believe him.
I mean that's probably also due to the fact that pretty much everyone thought Bucky was past saving too. Perhaps he saw a bit of himself in her. Although there's no real parallels. Karli is an incredibly selfish individual who willingly kills because she narcissistically believes her cause is right. Bucky was a conscripted soldier who killed to protect his friends in the war, and later was forced into it against his will.
This is awesome - love the inside looks from a psychotherapist's POV. Thanks Georgia!
What has been overlooked so far is that Sam did try to talk to Bucky, but Bucky was ignoring him. There is no way he would not have discussed the shield with Bucky before giving it up, if they were on speaking terms. In my head canon, he spoke to Rhodey after Bucky wasn't responding. Rhodey too thinks Sam giving up the shield is a mistake, but that's ok. Sam needed communication, not validation.
And when Walker is declared Cap, Bucky shows up angrily demanding answers. Some nerve! Don't get me wrong, I adore Bucky (even more than Sam) and his journey up to admitting his mistakes was beautiful to watch. But Sam is just more empathetic and patient to wait for Bucky to get to the place where he can accept help. All this while dealing with his own demons and saving the world.
I would love to see you react to the rest of this series. Having seen episode 4, there are at least two very poignant scenes to gain some therapy insights from you, but it would depend on what happens by the end of episode 6. I got this video recommended from watching a RUclips channel Implicitly Pretentious who provides commentary that has a more philosophical approach to the type of discussions you create as a therapist. So if you don't plan on covering the rest of this series (which I still hope you do!), I would at least recommend that channel to you!
I would also love to see you do another reaction video after the last episode.
I love this! I'm a semi-retired secondary special ed teacher. I've had to "play therapist" for my (mostly male) middle and high school students for the past 20 years and started watching MCU films partially to have something I could share with my students. Your knowledge of the characters and appreciation for them as well as your professional take on this show is really refreshing! Thank you!
He had a really good friend, who abandoned him to get some dead woman's nookie. So I understand his reluctance to make friends when his friend of 100 years spit in his face.
Bruhh
End of the line my ass
I wonder if you would do an evaluation on Bucky flirting with Sam sister? That part was funny and cute. Bucky is a lot more relaxed there then in brooklyn.
I feel like at the end of the couples therapy scene, when Bucky asks "What was rule number 2 again?" And she says "No one gets hurt." And he just has this sad look on his face before he leaves, it's like he's saying "So why did i have to get hurt emotionally." I think Bucky really wanted to be friends with Sam, he just has no clue how to approach it, so Sam saying "We'll never see each other again" really hurt him.
Would love to see your take on the scene of them talking while throwing the shield back and forth, as well as that whole arc of Bucky coming to help with the boat.
What do you say about the red journal she‘s having? I know many therapists have their notebooks but especially with Bucky‘s history shouldn’t she be a little more careful with it? In the very first episode she gets it out and slams it on her thigh a little to aggressively which is a 100% trigger for Bucky‘s PTSD. In the past every time someone got out a red book he lost control over his life and was forced to kill.
I didn't realize it was red, tbh, nor did I understand why "the notebook thing" is annoying to Bucky. Someone replied to my comment in another video, stating that the therapist was doing a different approach, and I tried to understand despite not fully agreeing to it.
You just give me a reason I didn't know I needed, so thanks!
A psychotherapist named Georgia gives me all kinds of Ray Charles vibes because you are literally "on their minds". I'm sure you've heard that a million times. LOL.
Nice video. I appreciate the perspective of a professional and heard a few things that I need to incorporate into my own friendships, so thanks.
thanks
Wow I am so glad I stumbled upon this, I find your analysis as a therapist fascinating. I have been a professional tarot card reader for 20 years and deal with a lot of various trauma and personal issues. I certainly am not as skilled as you but over the years have become a pretty solid armchair psychologist. Thus watching those trained in such as yourself is helpful when trying to steer my clients in the right direction. Many times I try to encourage them to seek out help from people like you. So very insightful, keep up the amazing work!
I think in the therapy scene, when Bucky says "if he was wrong about you maybe he was wrong about me", actually shows how low Bucky feels for what he has done as the Winter Soldier, even though he didn't have a choice. The one thing that gives him hope is that Steve never gave up on him and always saw the good in him. So he fears that - if Steve was wrong about deeming Sam worthy of being the next Captain America - Steve may also have been wrong with believing in Bucky to be a good man.
.I was glad to hear a real therapist talk about how bad a job the therapist in the show did. I could not stand her. You can tell literally all she cares about is making sure Bucky doesn’t just start killing people. Because that’s all she’s told to do. She could not care less about Bucky or Sam or anyone, she just wants to do her job as little as possible. And she has a really bad attitude.
Friends: They're there even when you don't want them to be.
They laugh at you when you fall and hurt yourself and get it on film.
(I think I'm starting to understand why friends are so important just from those two observations.)
Awesome to hear the perspective from a real therapist!!! So cool!
I'm not a therapist or psychologist, but I had a decent amount of therapy and I have worked as social service provider and I am really not vibing with the therapy. I know that they're play of earlier buddy cop work that featured no nonsense style therapists, but it a bit much. If spoke to my clients especially the ones known trauma I would be potential looking at ethics discussions or mandatory retraining depending on the circumstances. As funny as certain bits of the couples session where I was extremely uncomfortable how she basically guilted Sam into the session in an interrogation room after been profiled by the police. Group work in my experience is only productive if all party feel secure, willing, and ready and the set up for that session seems like none of those things especially for Sam. Also, I gone back over the scene several times now I am still not sure who the session was to be for, because she is Bucky's therapist, but she ropes Sam in and calls it a couples session, but her focus still be on Bucky and his needs, which also isn't a great set up for group work and making sure everyone feels heard.
Part of it is the diff between the VA and private practice. The VA would be focused with moving the patient towards a functional life, less so with sorting through the issues themselves.
@@DiegoMartinezCoria It is certainly a valid point that the VA often puts the focus on the functionality in care. My Dad is a veteran and worked for the VA for over a decade so I've seen and heard what your talking about firsthand. Do they establish that Dr. Rainer is with VA though? I know the therapy is court mandated (which also isn't often quality care) and she is a veteran but I know several people that serviced or were with the VA and now do private practice with pro bono or sliding scale work with other veterans and other populations have issues access care (though one would hope Bucky got his backpay). Either way I think my broader points about her actions her actions ethical questionable still stand especially when comes to pulling Sam into that surprise session.
This was really good. I like what you did here.
Keep up the good work!
One of my favorite lines in all of the MCU: "And if he was wrong about you he was wrong about me!" You can hear so much devestation in that line. Bucky has to be in my top 3 marvel characters.
best depiction of straight male friends in media. They have some discomfort with being open with their emotions because that's how society teaches us to be, but they still care for one another and make sure the other one knows it.
I really wish you would have commented on the 1:1 session with Bucky and the therapist a bit more in a separate video. :) Her quote “If you are alone, that is the quietest, most personal hell. And it is very hard to escape.” As someone who battles depression, this quote put me in tears because it is the most accurate depiction of what I have and continue to go through (even with proper medication and therapy).
👀 Another great reaction video that I enjoyed very much. Blessings on your day 👍🏻👍🏻
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I love their Bromance. I like when the therapist makes them put there legs together:)
The miracle question is popular in clinical social work especially in brief treatment and crisis intervention
I think she's seeing friendship in Bucky's going with Sam to help him instead of just seeing that Bucky is desperate for something to do...
Love the breakdown and love the outtake. Keep it up please! Still would like to see a full analysis on U.S. Agent (New Capt. America) but willing to wait till the end for that. :)
I love this channel
As the old saying goes eyes are the window to the soul
I loved your video, your analysis gives an even more interesting and complete view of the series
I know this is an older video, but I would love to see a breakdown of John Walker and how his mental state changed throughout the show. It's clear the pressure of being Captain America is weighing heavily on his shoulders and he wants to do good by his country and its people, but failure after failure starts getting to him, especially when he lost that fight to the Dora Milaje. He said "they don't even have powers" or something along those lines and I could tell his confidence was crushed. He could take losing to a group of people with super strength, but not to a non-powered person. Not to mention it was a non-powered woman he lost to and John grew up in a society that only saw women as weak. (This is just my speculation.)
He became increasingly unhinged after that. Killing the member of the Flag Smashers in broad daylight, not mentally handling his dishonorable discharge very well, and then his outright turn to crazy mode when he ignored the court when they told him to return the shield, continued to use it and the suit, and kept yelling "I am Captain America! I am Captain America!"
The shift of John's psyche from "I just want to help my country" to "I have to be the best" is worth exploring in my opinion.
Omg I can see how much you ship them too ❤️
Yeah, Walker (I refuse to call him Captain America) has a lot of issues. Especially after episode 5
Thank you so much!
I absolutely agree that Sam and Bucky are best friends now I love the therapy scene
Great discussion.
Love these videos! 👍🏾
yay
this is awesome, loved the video and reaction from your perspective
This was extremely enjoyable to watch!
They look like best buds to me.
subbed n hit bell here for therapist reacts series hope u keep em coming great analysis on fiction we all love
more incoming =)
@@GeorgiaDow haha thanks lovin channel binged all ur reacts videos love seeing fiction through the lens of a therapist especially your reaction to the sopranos therapy session was very i thought provoking that and wanda vision analysis dealing with grief were my personal favorites
I love your channel
These videos are great. You know in ancient times elders would tell tales to children about the gods, mythical creatures, legends and so on. Though they were fiction many times there would be life lessons in the stories for the children to learn from. You analyzing super hero movies and shows like this is a real great way to teach people, especially youth, about therapy and related topics. I hope you keep it up. You could do a lot with Tony Stark.
I really like your take!
Not trying to creep on you but your voice is very calming and soothing
thanks so much that is very kind
Honestly yes bad therapy but the dock was probably thinking "ah shittt should have realize it was the shield"
I wish Bucky would listen to Sam. To me, as much as I love Bucky as a character (he's defenitely one of my favourites and one of the most interesting in the MCU), he was a little bit selfish in the therapy session and I think he's trying to measure his self-worthiness on Sam when he says that if Steve was wrong about Sam then he was wrong about him too. It's not fair to Sam that he's doing so, his healing journey and his self esteem should not depend on Sam. Sam has plenty of reasons to not want that shield (first of all, Steve didn't even ask Sam if he wanted it, he just kinda dumped it on Sam without considering what it could mean for him) and not wanting that shield doesn't make him less of a good person. I understand that Bucky has gone through a lot, that he's alone and that the shield is the only thing he has left of Steve, but he didn't even try to listen to Sam and I hope that as the show goes on he learns to listen as they become friends. Overall, I agree, their dynamic is so adorable, I love the banter! (I apologise if my English isn't perfect)
I think they would've needed to stay in that session for just 10 more minutes or so. I agree that it's important for Bucky to listen to Sam. I felt like he was starting to think about what Sam said, judging from his quiet and looking down. It must be extremely hard for Bucky to get out of his traumatised mind and change perspectives. After all Steve was the one who supported him no matter what and now he has to deal with his loss (and therefore lots of support) on top of the trauma. Props to Sam for still being patient and compassionate although he has a lot to deal with himself.
@@dundiesplan9085 I agree. Sam has a lot of patience, and I think that he genuinely cares about Bucky, he looks out for him and constantly asks him if he's okay, and Bucky clearly cares for him too, since he does the same exact thing. I think they just need time to learn to understand each other and learn how to communicate, specially Bucky.
@@PalmotTaiga Exactly! I think they'll get there towards the end. Couples therapy was the little push they needed to then expand on that.
Yes, thank you!! I was looking for comment like this!! Bucky has been pretty inconsiderate to Sam throughout the series. I love his character too, but he's been acting pretty selfish lately.
Id love to see you do this for other marvel movies (especially avengers : age of altron) it’s really interesting
Awesome video! 💜❤️your channel!
That was a really nice video. I hope you'll do another for episode 3 😊
You should definitely analyze Isaiah Bradley from this show.
They both have a ways to go, and I don't think it will be all neatly wrapped up in a bow by the end of the show like people expect, just like people over expected what was to happen by the end of Wandavision.
BUT what I DO expect is for them to both grow together and learn to deal with whatever shit they are dealing with both apart and together, and for it to set up them taking over Captain America and White Wolf instead of Falcon and Winter Soldier.
And maybe, in growing together, they will decide that they are a team (even if they don't call it that) and they will hold the legacy of Cap together, even if Sam 'officially' takes the title. It would be a neat way for them to work in the idea of them both being Cap as they were in the comics, to have them working together as a Cap team rather then separate Caps at separate times.
great assessment I can't wait to find out
Great video as always.
thank you so much
Aww, you didn’t talk about my favorite moment, so i’d like to ask about your opinion! When the therapist is saying that you did it all right but it didn’t help with the nightmares - and Bucky is instantly answering well like i said i didn’t have any.. so what do you think about Bucky’s instant lying defensive reaction? He’s in pain, not opening up and so on.. what’s your opinion?
I think that their friendship is closer than all of my relationships because I pushed everybody away from me. I think that I need good therapy, but I don't have access to good therapy other than these videos.
If I not mistaken, that scene in the therapist was almost 10 minutes or more, maybe this is why the Doctor was annoyed, angry...
Sam and Bucky are th best. I love them so much. I can't wait for more Sam and Bucky,💖
awesome, ever considered analyzing Jessica Jones?...long series I suppose 🤔
Will you do another video of the other episodes? Some scenes in 1x05 are really good.
5:15 is reason we are here
On a scale of 10, I would rank their friendship, at the end of the series, 8/10 😊
This is a great video I just sub
I think we can cut the therapist some slack, because what we see aren't complete sessions. They are edited not only for time, but for narrative reasons. And by edited I not only mean in post, but even in the writing phase. It would drag on a lot if we heard her jumping in and controlling the situation every time, so I think we can assume she did it and that's why Sam and Bucky know what to do, we just didn't see it.
A friend of mine recommended 7 principles for making marriage work by John Gottmann because it works for all kinds of relationships. Would you be willing to do a video on this book and how it applies to relationships besides marriage because it could explain and enhance all kinds of relationships.
Yes perhaps I will he does good work
Are you related to Courtney Miller from Smosh by any chance? Great video btw!
STILL NO DISLIKES. QUEEN.
I would disagree the Bucky understands Sam’s apprehension as much as you think. If he did I don’t think he would keep asking about the shield and also not just tell him to give his ID. Maybe he/s close tho and I’m sure the writers will get him there by end of season
I feel like Bucky was thinking about the situation pragmatically. Sam did nothing wrong, but in a situation like that, refusing to cooperate with the cops would have just led to more trouble. If Sam had not been who he was, refusing to turn over his ID was about to make the situation even uglier.
@@misspriss2482 maybe .. but they are superheroes and supposedly becoming friends. You stand against what’s wrong .. period. Even more so If he had his back. But that’s just me I guess
@@chebuwright4216 And they got there, Bucky understood, in the laste 3 episodes, but he did :) (And a lot of us too, because white girl in Latin América, there is SO much I just have NO idea about :( )
@@patijones1979 yes he did! I’m glad they let him grow into it. Hope to see more of them :) I found it really telling how long it took most white people to see what black people caught from the start (especially the scene with Rodie in episode one). We are so used to only one perspective in our lives in general from most forms of our media and experiences that we rarely see others in a true likeness. That’s an area we can do better in and I think the show gave us so much that.
@@chebuwright4216 I'm so glad too. I was born in Argentina, moved around South America, now I live in México, and I know doors have opened for me because I don't look indigenous, even being a woman, I have a big privilege there (Sucks, but pretending I don't won't help anyone). But there is just no way for me to understad the day to day of black people in the US because I've never been to the US, not even on holidays, so, how could I know? This show even helped me find voices I needed to hear. So yes, I'm with you there, we can do better, we must do better, I know I do, and I hope there is more to come, because this is how pop culture helps. :)
To be fair, she admitted that she wasn't a great therapist in the first episode.
I don't remember the character admitting that but the actress agreed with Bucky that she's not a good therapist.
I want you as my therapist. 🥺
I watched this series and from the very beginning I did not like this therapist. She seemed to be very directive to me, dominating and roasting Bucky about his phone. At times she mentioned his negative things, e.g. he has no friends, no family, he is 100 years old. Even her tone of voice was not friendly and respectful at all. What do you think about it?
Maybe it was her unusual method of motivating Bucky to pull himself together and move forward but I didn't receive any warm emotions from her. She seemed to be tired of Bucky's "stupid" or "childish" problems, as youcan hear at 6:44 when she put a lot of strong stress at "DON'T". Maybe she had just a occupational burnout.
The hole legg talk in the therapie sxene whas not scripted ha
Just a tip for Georgia. Never tell two dudes that their interplay is cute. Because as men we will move our seats further apart. LOL
Oh that is a very good point = ) I will remember that. I hope one day men can be playful and cute and not feel a stigma but it is definitely still there. Thank you Justin I will make sure to keep it in mind.
My conclusion is they're idiots lol.
Both are right. Both are wrong. And neither one wants to back down. Both want the other to validate their individual views while simultaneously not giving any ground.
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she gives me a boiled down phoebe vibes
Please react to Azula from Avatar the last airbender!! Her story arc is one of the best psychological story arcs in the entire series!!
It requires two season of avatar the last airbender to watch if she want to cover azula's psychology
Or Korra PTSD in season 4 legend of korra
@@toamszkozak8822 still requires to watch the previous seasons
The therapist in this nice show is aweful. How the hell did she get her job. When bucky sais he wants peace. She is attacking him and also jumps to conclusions based of her own behavior.
I think it really is just army talk. My theory on the side, I don't think they wanted Bucky to get better for “civilization”. They wanted another soldier who wasn't a liability. But coming from a military background with her own trauma, she speaks Bucky’s language and his truthful with him(because he doesnt trust anyone, except for Sam). I actually like this therapist, just for the fact that she's doing what's best for him as opposed to what's best for the government’s interest.
100% she writes SamBucky fanfics...and 100% here for that haahah
I find the therapist a bit destructive in the show. I'd try to get her replaced in real life...
She deliberately triggers him just because he annoys her. Not professional at all.