Who is Fire Emblem's Best Retainer? (Christmas Special!) [Support Science #3]
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Many retainers have graced Fire Emblem. But which one is indeed the best? The answer maay surprise you... ~~
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I think Finn deserves an honorable mention, even though he’s more of a squire, and less of a retainer;
-He served Quan loyally through two wars (against Verdane and Augustria) without ever leaving his lords side.
-He stayed behind to protect the king of Lenster, while Quan rode of to Barharra.
-Finn then escaped Lenster castle with Leaf and Nanna when it was attacked by Leydrick, and subsequently went on the run from the empire for years, moving from village to village while dragging around two kids. Even during these difficult times he made sure they always had food to eat, often going hungry for days himself to ensure they never even suffered.
-After finally escaping the empire's eye, he settled down in a small village, literally raising Leaf and Nanna as his own children until they were teenagers.
-When Leaf set out to fight against the empire, Finn joined him as his advisor and bodyguard, and fought with him for the entirety of Jugdral’s second holy war, being the only character in Jugdral to fight in both generations. It is revealed in Fe5 that without Leaf’s efforts in Thracia, Celice would probably not have won the war, so indirectly, Finn is actually responsible for the Lopto empire being vanquished.
-Even after the war was over, Finn continued to serve Leaf the rest of his life, he took a small 1-2 year break to head to Barharra to look for Lachesis, but returned to his lords side when he failed to locate her.
Finn really went above and beyond what is required of a retainer/squire, the devout loyalty of one squire is the whole reason an entire continent survived!
I don't think any retainer has done more for their lord than Finn has
Its a shame FE4 didnt have supports. I would love to see his interactions with the other characters.
Ok i can see why finn deserve best retainer but i still think its understandable ghast best (more like fav but its not that different at some perspective) retainer is forde.
But its more like a running joke for some people in the community to always disagree.
But at least this make sense regardless of the intention for some.
Le rant I respect it
fancy meeting you here
Remember when supports actually used to build character instead of establishing the same character over and over?
SugoiDude Yeah. but now it's just "HEY LOOK AT MY STANDARD CHARACTER TRAIT"
Sigh
Niles, Xander, Leo, Azura, Nyx, Shigure, Shiro, Forrest, and Siegbert would all like to have a word with you
I don’t deny there is truth to ur claim and yes the main plot to Fates is garbage but not all the characters are as one note as u may think
9 out of 73 characters having good supports are not favorable odds, but I do know what you mean. Supports are one of the best things in Fates, or at least it's where the best writing is. Also those characters you mentioned, in their supports with others, make the other unit seem better, so their quality branches out. However, in a game that's about marketing its units, and for so many to be lackluster, a few exceptional ones don't make up for it. It doesn't help that Xander and Azura are terrible in the story, which undermines their supports, and Leo is the only Lord on that list with good dialogue in story and supports. But for only 1 out of 10 lords to be exceptional in both, I don't think that's a positive. Though I'd argue Takumi is good in both too, and maaaaybe Elise and Sakura.
Agreed. But, just to add to that list of good Fates supporters, here's my list of characters in Awakening I ended up liking way MORE than if I hadn't read their supports at all:
Henry, Lon'qu, Gregor, Virion, Libra, Walhart, Vaike, Gaius, Lon'qu, Cherche, Stahl, Maribelle, Panne, and Olivia, to name a few. And hell, love their supports/character or hate 'em, Tharja and Cordelia's supports give so many layers to their character.
You can say what you will about Awakening and Fate's characters and supports, but I think it says a lot that personally, they both gave me a much greater appreciation for supports overall and now I'm making more attempts to do them in any game where they're present.
I haven't seen Finn as best retainer and I'm mad. Like this guy was in 2 generations and two games. He raised his lord's kid when Quan was murdered. Not mention would go without food to feed Leif and Nanna for years. Finn is loyal beyond loyal and deserves this title without a doubt.
Hashtag FInn Deserved Better
Yeah let's be honest Finn is the best retainer... of all time! I still prefer Forde but objectively he's the best by FAR
Forde has supports, but Finn is the best retainer always.
Marrow Fields He also has a sick lance.
Finn's incredible.
You know, seeing this vid makes me wish there wasn't a limit to the amount of supports a unit can get, in the GBA and tellius games.
Hopefully the remake solves that. Late, I know.
If they move to improved 3 houses dialogue I'd be okay with it. But if they move to cookie cutter conversation of fates and awakening then no thanks
me with Nino
I think a big reason for the limitation is paired endings. Though they could fix that with A+ and S supports where you can only pick 1
I really like Erika as a character, I felt that she's a naive character done right. She's a noble not in an uptight way, she's (despite what people said about her being stupid) very well versed in conversations and knows how to make people feel genuinely at ease. She taken to fighting due to her own accord, and unlike Elincia who's on her own, trained herself to compliment her brother Emphraim cause Emphraim will be king.
Not to forget the fact that she actually got ready to kill Leon in the end unlike many other naive personality protagonists. Really showed her acceptance
Best retainer? Finn would like to have a word with you. Dude fights in like 3 different wars.
So after listening to this, I've realized that Laslow/Inigo heavily parallel Forde. Low key badass swordsmen, womanizer, momma's boys, practice a hobby that reminds them of their mother that they try to hide, and aim to bring smiles to everyone. I like Laslow, but Forde pulls it off better.
Kalvin Khon Ford isnt a womanizer
+Aron Johansson he does have one flirtatious moment, but inigo exaggerates it
Kalvin Khon Fords doesn’t try to hide his paintings
inigo serves more to highlight olivia than act as a fleshed out character himself
though I suppose the same could be said about most of the children
"See, I like this...but this is better."
That guy that I benched because I had enough cavaliers?
tbh I don't blame you. In terms of gameplay he's kinda the worst of SS's cavaliers
Justplay more on skill than anything, he has decent HP to tank, but he cannot widstand kyle's strenght and Franz's speed
***** It's true that Cavaliers are very good.They combine high movement, well rounded stats and weapon triangle control into a versatile package. So they usually can deal with anything that doesn't have a beast killer or a Zambato.
Daraen YT I get very stingy with promotion items outside of the newest games. With Binding Blade, I only had enough knights crests for Lance and Alan.
+danilius 01
I take it that you haven't played Shadow Dragon?
Happy Holidays Fam!
SS was released in '04.
If you didn't play it, do that over winter break :3
Ghast Station by 3.14r8ing?
Ghast Station incredible! brilliantly put together video, and made me really change my opinion of him. I just wrote him off as a mediocre unit and irrelevent character, but its pretty obvious now hes a lot more. Great job!
Enjoyed this game alot. Thanks for the recommendation
Late to the party but whatever.
The way you presented fordes relationship with eirika made it look like forde looks up to eirika like a mother figure rather than a crush or what not. Including everything you said fordika shouldnt be a ship cause forde doesnt "necessarily" have those feelings for her, especially if my theory is correct and forde actually Does look up to eirika like a mother figure.
But other than that good video
I gotta say, hearing you talk about a character you love with so much passion and enthusiasm is always great in this little series you have, but especially in this video. As my first game in the series, Forde wound up being my first exposure to the characters like him that I'd grow to love and favor so much, but I sadly didn't give him as much attention as I really should have. I'm also disappointed in never having gotten that goddamn beautiful support with Erika back then.
While my favorite knight of his archetype was Stahl for the longest time, I'm starting to think Forde's making his way up there pretty quickly.
*Sain*
@@dr.uselessYIIK *Yes.*
I liked the man the moment he and Kent arrived.
Fredrick literally set the ocean on fire.
He is very fond of starting fires.
17:57 This might be captain obvious but I think his choice of painting landscapes is also symbolic. In landscape painting there are no people in the pictures, but I think you could also say that the people are missing. So landscape painting could be symbolism of empty space that was once filled by his parents.
Edit: I didn't watch the whole video before making this comment, oops xD
"There is one particular retainer that outshines the Fates Cast?"
Me: "It's gonna be Finn! It's gonna be Finn!"
"His name is Forde"
Me: "WAT."
I mean, both of them are better then any fates retainer, so he's not wrong
This video was amazing. You made me see Ford in a whole new light; he's this spiritual/emotional badass. I hope you do more GBA supports. Maybe Ross and Gracia. It's among my favourites.
*forde
Wow. Forde and his supports are better than the entire story of Fates.
@xlrmeg21 You feel proud of yourself?
Its not that hard to be better than the story of fates😂
*SHOTS FIRED!!!*
@@estebanlara2394 Bernie is better than Fates story. Same with Gilbert
This was an incredible video, and it really makes me want 2 things from Fire Emblem even more:
1) More supports that build upon each other like this rather than always starting with a blank slate with different characters
2) An easier time gaining supports in the older games because although they had better supports overall, I hated how you were limited to 5 supports per character per playthrough.
>my 3rd favorite FE Character gets the spotlight
F O R D E B O Y S
This was a really good one. I was always a fan of Forde’s supports with Eirika, but the connections you draw to his support with Franz are something I’d never considered before, and it makes it that much better.
E D W A R D E L R I C
Why did I see it coming. I guess Franz is Al then. All the more reason to make him a Great Knight!
W O K E
@@justplayfly where do I fit Amelia in then? I put Franz with her.
Forde was certainly one of my favourite characters in Sacred Stones. Paired him with Eirika on one of my play throughs.
Forde has always reminded me of Edward Elric tbh
wow, I never liked Forde. I thought he was a slacker. These supports paint him in a whole new light. Thank you for a fun episode.
Heh, paint...
I try
Forde's support with Eirika reminds me of the book Narcissus and Goldmund by Herman Hesse. The plot of the book is about Goldmund being abandoned by his father after his loving mother died and so after growing up in the monastery travels the countryside chasing memories of his mother in art.
Thanks for doing these videos Ghast!
I love all the appreciation you're doing for the story and characters of FE, especially Sacred Stones!
I'm so happy you made this series, and this video is the most impactful so far. It's a wonderful love letter to the franchise as a whole, and the way you structured the episode really made Forde's character come together in a new way for me. Thank you!
i wish i had seen this video when it came out, thank you for giving the recognition one of my favorite characters deserves
Seriously loving this series. Thanks for the great content!
this was amazing! i hope this becomes a series man! this really fleshes out the character and creates a new view of the character that i never had before. Thanks man! Here's for the best of you man! take care
I really wish that we got more backstory from Stahl apart from just "I have brothers and my family has an apothecary." He is just that one character you love when you've supported him with who he can support with but you'll forget if you haven't used him.
Sacred Stones still has the best supports in Fire Emblem.
JordanD1337 lie again (thats not meant to be hostile just constructive)
JordanD1337 Depends, but that is just an opinion
Nah it's 7
SS for me
my money is probably one of the least memorable Fire Emblem games cause aside from Lyon as a villain...most of the game is incredibly basic in terms of plot and character tropes
Well over 130 agree so you can throw its a lie arguement out of the window although this define the whole community but still a lot of people love fe8
Love this, Forde has always been one of my favorite fe characters because of his supports. His B support with Vanessa however I think develops Vanessa only. She talks about innes and kind of reminds us she has a crush on him and is slightly embarrassed about it. That's just how I interpret it
WRONG, gunter is clearly best retainer because of his amazing supports
Ryomathekillers Not to mention his amazing growths and stats.
his stats or on par with fe 1 jaigen and that is why gunter is best unit in fates
Ryomathekillers Gunter's Revelation supports are particularly good.
Ryomathekillers Gunter x Corrin best ship, especially in Revelations.
Ryomathekillers Gunter was a major help for me when beating Birthright, honestly broken.
Sacred stones was my first introduction to the fire emblem series and after watching this i realized i overlooked forde to easily when i played through (to be fair i liked the stuffy characters more back then(kyle,seth,etc.))This and a few other of you videos have been fun to watch and listen to since i found this series.
Ghast. Litterally marry me. I don't care if you're straight! Joking aside, I can't put into words how happy I am that you made this video. Finally, someone does the best Christmas Knight justice! It just... feels amazing.
Justplay / Jad MARRY ME
Welp someone got the cold shoulder
Would Matthew count? He kind of takes duties to Hector and Hector claims that he is his man in Hector mode. He also gets special convos with Oswin (who later swears to follow Hector). If Matthew does count... Matthew for best retainer.
XiaoPan1987
Of course, Matthew is a great character.
That's a fair point. He is technically a retainer, and I would definitely say he is easily one of the best characters in the series. We get to see a lot of different sides of him, and he doesn't feel inconsistent.
Draco Blackstone Plus he makes a fantastic assassin :D
Kieran Moran I still prefer Legault. Also, I think all of the retainers in GBA FE are Marcus, Wolt, FE 6 Merlinus, Elen, Milady (Milady is my 2nd favourite :D and she's the only one who get hard mode bonuses who auto-joins you), Vanessa, Gilliam, Moulder, Kyle, Forde, Kent, Lowen, Sain, Oswin (for more than just Hector, people who haven't read his support with Priscilla), Matthew, Bors, Alen, Lance, Dozla, Isadora, Seth, Franz, Lucius, Florina, Dorothy and Harken (I think). These are the "sort of" retainers (they're not really retainers, but they act like one): Wendy, Barth, Oiger, Treck, Noah, Jaffar, Shin, Ziess, Saleh and Dieck. I think I missed a few.
Felecia is the best retainer because she stays with you no matter what side you choose and decides to aid you in a heartbeat. Flora fights you in every route and Gunter falls down the canyon but Felecia with her flame shurikens is always there.
Wow, haven't ever looked at him that much. This was pretty awesome and really showed how much supports can do for a character in a game with a large cast.
Who knew a car brand could be a good retainer?
Great video man. I enjoy the discussion of supports from the GBA games, so definitely keep doing more of this.
I remember doing a bunch of support grinding in Sacred Stones. It was long ago, and I didn't get too far with it or really appreciate how deep some of them can be.
Best retainer is Finn
Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinn~~
I always loved Forde when I was younger. Forde is what Sain, Saul, and basically every other FE womanizer if they were more like human beings.
This convinced me to use him next time I play SS. I kinda wrote off all of the cavaliers aside from God-Emperor Seth. I appreciate these kinds of videos a great deal
Loving these vids man. Keep em coming.
This was was my favorite episode of support science so far. It's supports/characters like these that I love so much in FE, because they make the characters feel more real.
There are some characters that make it very obvious what they are from the get go, and that often comes in the form of a gimmick. With Forde and other such characters, their gimmick isn't shown from the moment they join, with his being painting. We get a good feel for his personality initially, but his gimmick isn't shoved in our face.
Then, the gimmick itself doesn't consume his character at all, but enhances it. Some characters simply revolve around a single for trait, making conversations feel repetitive and boring after a while. With characters like Forde, It is important to them, but subtle. I feel like Sacred Stones probably did the best with these concepts in general, and made for one of the best overall casts in the series.
Good video, man! Sacred Stones was my first FE game and the one that got me into the franchise.
Nice breakdown! I can't wait for your next one. I think for your next one's you should look into Takumi and Leo's Supports. And I'm not just talking about their Supports with each other. Both of them have Supports that allow for character growth on their parts. Takumi's are about him realizing his own worth, and Leo's involve learning to be more accepting of others and less harsh to them. Check it out.
Ghast, I would love to hear your thoughts on Soren. He's only got two supports, but he's one of my favorite characters in FE.
its really nice to hear you talk about Forde hes my favorite chracter in sacred stones but i had rerally bad luck with his growths so he was near useless on tyhe battlefield its nice to know what im missing
^_^ Forde is probably one of my favorites in the series.
This was really well done, and now I really want to play this game.
At the start of my video, my prediction is Finn.
FUCK
Chris Mele thank you for feeling my pain
Edforde and Alfranz Elric
Dang. i love this video. I love all of these Support Sciences, but this one was especially great. Maybe it's just because FE8 is so much better than FE14, but this was just so interesting to listen to.
I love how it sounds like I am reading an accademic essay or speech. i can tell a lot of work when into what is being said and in what order, and I am extremely pleased. Awesome video.
Really great character spotlight! Forde is a really great character, and like you said, makes really good use of the silly side of the Christmas Knights feel deeper. The only thing that bothers me is that he paints and sleeps _on the battle field_. I feel like if they had just changed it a bit so it was more that he was doing it when he was on guard duty or something, it would feel much better.
I also feel like he seems a bit inconsistent between his support with Erika and his support with Vanessa, mostly because he seems a lot more gentlemanly in his one with Erika than his one with Vanessa. I personally prefer how he acts in his support with Erika, since the flirtatious cavalier has been done before. Overall, he is still really great, and I love using him along side his little brother Franz.
Remind me to pair these two next time I play SS.
DOZLA IS THE BEST RETAINER
Edward Schmidt no, hes kinda bad. decent to protect that chic you get on the level you get her though
MaraYoworld O-0 hes better than babying ross, and if you don't train up garcia hes pretty good
Edward Schmidt Rennac is clearly the best
Dozla was a Summoner in my Randomizer. He has transcended using axes normally, and managed to make dark magic work for him simply by its statistical similarity to axes.
Dozla is an enabler...
I love Forde. He's my favorite red knight, second being sully. Keep up the good work, Ghast!
What about me? :(
In my current playthrough of SS, I am using Forde because of this video, it made me appreciate his character
Holy shit dude. I was only about 80% in agreement with you about Forde being the best retained until you got to Eirika and the smile he thought he lost forever. That actually made me shed some man tears. It was at that point I was sold.
Seriously, Sacred Stones is the best story in the series.
Seriously? Not any of the others? Not even Blazing Blade?
In my opinion as much as i love fe8 its plot are a bit different kinda (at least its NOT ANOTHER DRAGON) but what truly shine is the support i wouldnt mind placing it one of the best (regardless how many people say its ez, if its that ez beat the entire game with just iron sword without any sort of grinding and rng abuse)
It's simple and I like that. It's really simple so it wouldn't get bogged down big time like a more complex story... like Fates (?)
you ought to do a video on which princess is the best. So many to choose from, so many mary sues.
Wow you have reals good explanation of forde a play fire emblem sacred stones and a never notice this good explanation man a like this won the most.
Is that the song in the background in the beginning of the video Right Behind You from tf2?
The story between Forde and Eirika just gives me the goodliewoodlies! ^-^
this video put tears in my eyes. that's how good forde's supports are.
o god the whole portrait thing is reminding me of the lost canvas
Nigga.... Your videos are awesome. Finally someone who's a lot more intellectual with these games.
I haven't even waited for you to get anywhere: Forde's one of my favourite characters in SS
Intersting character analyse I almost beat FE7 and move on to FE8. I heard sacred stones has pretty amazing cast.
any chance you'll do a matthew breakdown? or does it have to be a favorite character of yours?
And the fact he and Franz looks like Ed and Al from FMA 8D
Wow Ghast, keep it up ^^
Eirika's Mary Sue powers strike again!! Jokes aside their ending is very sweet. I just wish she had more of a personality so that I could actually ship them, but maybe you'll make an analysis on Eirika in the future and prove me wrong? Who knows. While Forde is my favourite christmas cavalier I gotta agree with the majority here that Fin is probably the best retainer though!
WE NEED MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS
Damn, this is-really great.
Wow....really cool video!!
Triggered Mekkkah
Hey Ghast could you continue your hacking tutorials series plez
The awnser did not surprise me...as my 3rd fave retainer in fire emblem, he defiantly deserves.the place. Sccred stones was also my first Fe game, which explains why I defence it alot.
Looks like I'm going to use Forde next chance I have!
What's the name of the background music?
I was so excited when you said it wasn’t in FE14 but... Seth though...
Sacred Stones is one of my favorite FE games...right next to Gaiden of course :).
As much as Sacred Stones gets a lot of shit, it have the most fleshed out support conversations of Fire Emblem. When I finished Sacred Stones, I found myself reading all of the support conversations... and then reading all of them again. They're just that good. Forde is just one of the shining examples. For me, the most relatable character was Vanessa.
What I really love about these conversations is that it fleshes out one of Fire Emblem's core themes that the people behind war aren't just droves of nameless soldiers, but individual people with personalities and feelings and loved ones. That's why each soldier has a face and a quirk. While, say, Awakening mostly plays off of the quirks (I say mostly because some good conversations, like Henry/Olivia), Sacred Stones deepens these quirks and fleshes them out to be, well, real people. Forde's story was about loss and coping with it through art, something I'm very familiar with. I really like how your videos highlight this.
Forde was the Christmas knight I used in both Ephraim and Erica's story between him and Kyle, I don't know why but hey he just stuck with me until the demon king got rekt. (kyle died in one and was benched in the other)
Love This!
17:34
HAHA! I see what you did there!
My favorite line of Forde is "Snargleblagh...hmph? Zzzzzz" def one of the best retainers
What background music did you play for this one?
Super late comment, but the music is the base camp music from Radiant Dawn.
This video made me wanna go get a Forde Focus.
I knew it was going to be Sacred Stones, but my go-to would be Seth. I'm definitely biased though, since he's one of my favorite Paladins in the series.
Admittedly, a tall order indeed to find who else could stack up to his character, but it's breath of fresh air coming off of the bs with Story Xander
@19:46; Possibly brought along by Erika flashing him.
I think the "working behind the scenes" was trying to put a good word to try and get Vanessa with Innes?
I played Sacred Stones forever and a day ago, but never spared Forde a second glance. I hadn't even recognized that he was the womanizer of the group, having favored his brother Franz over him from the start. But after watching this video? Boy, do I wanna use him! I'm still not the biggest Fordika shipper, but you made a compelling argument, no doubt. Thank you for your incredible work, as always!
Gameplay wise, every unpromoted unit in SS that has/can get a horse all have the exact same problem: They aren't Seth.
Great analysis and love the SS attention!
>No Finn.
0/10 Literally unviewable.
dunno if you read this comment, but ive been watching some of your videos today and this is the one video with the , most informal ... language? i mean like , usually you talk far more civil, was that on purpose?
I have always liked Forde as a character, and this is largely why. I paired Eirika with Forde in my first playthrough and it was so good. I always use Forde. I don't always pair Fordika, but I always use him. Even if Forde is stat-wise the "worst" Paladin in Sacred Stones, he is still a Paladin, one of the best classes, and I like his personality. And having Forde and Seth charge together into the fray, with Kyle and Franz right behind, and Amelia stumbling along somewhere in the back... It is a great headcanon.