Dreadbox NYMPHES Review // An analog poly with an interesting mono twist // Tutorial, tips & ideas
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
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TIMELINE:
0:00 Intro
1:05 Overview
2:30 Menu nav
4:25 Diving in
4:45 Unison
6:05 Chords
7:55 Expression
10:00 Multi mods
11:05 LFO 1 & 2
12:05 LFO as env
12:55 PWM
13:20 LFO rates
14:50 Key sync
15:10 Oscillators
15:55 LPF
16:40 Envelopes
17:25 Reverb
19:00 Tips & ideas
19:20 MIDI CCs
19:40 LFO 2 to modulate LFO 1
20:00 Chord glide
20:20 Load x 2
20:55 Subharmonics
22:25 Pros & cons
25:45 Outro
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@@goodnota I suffer from really bad GAS, I can sometimes get a bit overwhelming. Oh does have effects
I'm old, every single bit of gear I own had a learning curve. The menu on this doesn't put me off at all. I have survived a yamaha QY70.
old and wise :)
I found the QY pretty straightforward. One of my favorite pieces on the go.
Yeah, it's really strange how people are freaking out about this. It's not difficult at all
God bless you
I know the menu on my typhon is fantastic. But even has hardware checking that is so cool
In case anyone is wondering like I was, software V2 fixed pretty much every single wish loopop had :D
New features:
MPE support
Polyphonic aftertouch support
Polyphonic assignable targets
Preset import/export support
Factory presets can now be replaced
MIDI Channel Learn
Scaled Mode for slider control
Improvements:
SHIFT button behaviour changed
CC transmit on Preset Load
CC list reworked
All Notes Off and All Sounds Off CCs added
Reverb control added to Modulation matrix through CC
Modulation target: Mod Wheel on PW changed
Shortcut for Global settings reset
Thanks for the great vids! You're a godsend for new purchases and have become my go-to for when I'm on the fence about a potential pickup as well. Having just scored one of these, it was nice to have a deep, but well-explained breakdown of its menu and mod system, as they will definitely take a little getting used to! Having sold all of my clunky / huge analog polys recently, this thing is gonna be great for injecting some of that analog warmth back into my music. I love the sounds already!
This is awesome. This is the video I have been waiting for. Great job showing what this thing can do beyond Bladerunner.
I know folks keep harping about the lack of stereo, but try to keep in mind that you can create some really interesting stereo effects just by overdubbing, hardpanning L + R and adjusting timings on things like decay, release, and reverb tail or room shapes.
Even having a slightly faster timing on one side of a decay on a filter envelope nets you some really fantastic sounds that you wouldn't otherwise get.
Think about this more like an electric guitar where you're not likely to have stereo in real life in the first place. Most of your interesting results are going to come from overdubs and subtle differences between tracks.
I’m making a video about using stereo out guitar pedals on this bad boy.
@@TheTImmy665 I love this with the MXR analog chorus. My chase bliss generation loss should be here next month too! =-) I'll sub for your video
Yea honestly as a guitarist, Mono makes a lot more sense to me for any instrument
@@RoyceWiz the problem arises from phrase sampling (like drum breaks from records.) Typically those cuts have been produced with stereo content especially toms and cymbals spread across the stereo field to better mimic a drum kit in real life. Not that THAT is a problem per se but folks are tripped into thinking that stereo is necessary *everywhere* which is a myth.
On the other hand, this’d be amazing with the stereo fx from the Typhon
Great review as always. I'd been looking forward to this one and it sounds every bit as good as I was expecting it to. The menu looks complicated but I imagine it'll become quite straightforward after a few weeks of use. I can definitely see me getting one sooner rather than later.
It sounds really great! Dreadbox synths always sound especially warm to my ears. Just having a poly synth that sounds great is worth the price to me.
again, i ended up buying this because of your video. and not regret it. thank you loopop! always the best 🌹
Your reviews are always so well-made, informative and clear. A masterclass in review videos! Thanks for all your amazing work! Have a great Christmas and New Year loopop! :)
Thanks and same to you!
I've been waiting for your video on this! It sounds great!
Thanks for the jump start getting to know this excellent synth. I’ve paired this with a Roli Seaboard Rise 2 and using MPE I’m blown away at the expressive patches I am able to dial in. Probably the most fun I’ve ever had actually playing a synth on keys. The chord mode is so cool… especially modulating it with poly after touch from the seaboard. The menu structure is really smart and well thought out. And the modulation options are fantastic and a breeze to program. Loving gear with no screens these days too.
This is a great review, it gave me a much better idea of what the Nymphes is really about. Thanks for the highly informative and entertaining review!
I wonder why on earth this channel hasn't already reach a million subscribers - it is one of the very best music tech review channels on youtube by a longshot. Every video is superb and the format is genius. I love Loopop!!! I have bought a bunch of synths purely because I saw the Loopop review and those synths have turned out to be my favourite synths of all time!!! The Loopop man is a wizard or some mystical prophet of synthasizers
I've been waiting for this (the review and the synth)
It looks dope. Amazing what they've crammed into this box
Nice I was low key hoping you'd do a breakdown on this because I want you to do one EVERY time I see a new piece of gear I'm interested
I ordered mine two days ago.
Its a great little synth.
Tim Shoebridge has now created software specially for the Nymphes so It may now be possible to store user presets.
A lot more can be achieved now with his software.
Thanks Loopop.
Great video
In 20 years, gear nerds will love the menu diving knob. 🤓
If it still holds on.. after so much abuse.
Just ordered one from Reverb at an excellent price in mint condition still under warranty. I didn't notice the potential of this synth when it has been released. Now I can't wait to receive it. It is really an unique signature synth. It has a place to fill beside my Moogs and Prophet rev 2, Waldorf's, Rhodes etc.
There’s a lot in that little box, love dreadbox
Dude! Glorious little jam there at the end! I would buy a record with that on it.
One of your best outros ever!!!
Looks pretty and sounds awesome. I don't find the interface that difficult. I can't wait to have one in my hands! Dreadbox are the best!
Man i just bought my first synth and now i want every one youve every featured on the channel
it's an addicting hobby!
Superb 🙏🏻 Thanks Loopop!
well I find the menu system quite elegant and it's cool you can go without a display. The hardest to access menu options are also those you are less likely to tweak often so it works. I have the neutron and there menu options that are really more obtuse than this; I think it's the same for the 0 coast. Maybe encoders with a light would have been easier because it's true having to reset faders is annoying; but I'm not sure it was the aesthetic they wanted to go to. the lack of stereo with a reverb is also not great; but you can always add your own. Honestly these days I'm more into virtual analog soft synths for poly synths because it's simply more convenient in the context of a full composition (and I like a bit of stereo) but I really like the features and format of this synth; if I ever feel I need a poly analog I'd pick this without hesitation. The form factor; preset and midi implementation also means it can work as a "deluxe plugin" without the trouble of having a full fledged synth with a five octave midi keyboard in your studio.
I was born early 70's, seen a shed load of synth and this one, for this price, is tha bomb.
So glad people are complaining, cause it means only a few real musicians will have it.
People complaining should go back to their monosynth techno squelch Arp bassline nonsense, that I hear everywhere these days.
Are we still in the early nineties? Geez. 😂
Wow a strange synth...so many cool machines out there....
Superb explanation of all kit..
Great channel...
Thanks loopop for the thorough presentation of this fine instrument. It's seems to me like a polyphonic synth in a pedal form - especially UI wise. I'm certain it will sound marvelous through some stereo pedals, plugins or AUV3 iPad Effects! Can't wait to try it out.
It sure does sound great. I send it through a Stereo Electric Mistress which is a joy.
I was thinking of getting this, but then I realised I'm not really a polysynthesist. I would never even have considered it if I didn't have a MIDI controller and a Zoia to modulate, convert and generate MIDI. The interface is a bit on the fiddly side on its own. Great video as always.
Came for the synth review. But I'm leaving with a desire to purchase that Arturia keystep 37. That thing is boss!
Lol! Searched for a review and found yours. So...thanks in reverse?
LOL you're welcome x2
Great review. Not what I was expecting really, because I was ready to pull the trigger snd instead you've brought up some things to consider. Still sounds excellent though
Great review and tips as usual mr loopop, kudos! - This synth is really fat sounding and has some really cool features - especially the LFO with its oneshot mode is cool! And why don't all synths have two filters (hpf and lpf as a minimum)? Really great design decision of dreadbox! Suggestion for the LFO mode would be to have a high and low speed in one. This would be more convenient in our opinion. Then use shift (after moving the LFO speed fader instead of before) or another button to have fine control f.e. - since the size of the sliderrange is limited they probably implemented lo and hi speed. Sound wise, if it was stereo and with all the extra features (lfo-destinations rock!) and a chorus instead of reverb (dsp - so should be doable) it could be a Alpha Juno 3 in our opinion. For studio use the menu system is doable an no issue. Especially if there will be an editor or vst editor this is sorted for studio usage. For live, this is another story. It seems to be complicated and very easy to make mistakes. To sum up, its sounds really good for a great price, so thanks again for this very, very in-depth review!
Great review, thanks!
1:00 OH ok good I'll be sure to click the links everytime now!
A tiny display with its own endless knob and a couple buttons (OK and back) would make this so much easier to use. You could actually see current values, and it would be able to store a lot more presets.
I guess they were going for affordability, it's pretty impressive what they've packed in for the price. Adding a screen to it just increases the cost
@@cosmicreciever for $600, it’s pretty barebones.
@@ptkelly80 Yeah, barebones effects, no stereo output, only USB power, no display, no proper MIDI. And most importantly, a really cumbersome UI with a shift function jungle that you have to re-learn each time you use this synth after a while.
It sounds great but it's not like you don't have options nowadays. Their direct competitors would be something like the Minilogue, Deepmind or the Cobalt - and all of them seem to offer a much better experience.
I don't quite understand why people seem to praise every damn new release despite obvious flaws - especially knowing that Dreadbox can actually do much better. But I guess that's also how we went from faders and knobs to diagrams and membrane buttons at the end of the 80s.
Thank you I was waiting for this review. Btw did you have a cold? Get better buddy.
Thanks! Yes I had a cold about a week ago - feeling fine now but still have some "leftovers" lingering...
As a compromise device it seems like a pretty nice compromise. I got worried about tuning it at all but I see there's a fine-tune option on the card.
finally a proper review of the Nymphes !
Thanks for the overview. I think the UI is a bit of a deal breaker for me, but it's impressive that they got it in this form factor and price.
Agree with this. Early vids had got me interested but the button combos has totally killed this for me
I understand your reservations but after a week (and some shouting) it all becomes clear. The beauty of its sound trumps everything and besides there is one advantage to the UI, which you can hear all about on this video: ruclips.net/video/wHZRl2X0YjI/видео.html
@@teebeedahbow yeah over time my position has softened on the interface, especially now that I have a controller I can map CCs to.
@@teebeedahbow I wound up picking one of these up, just arrived yesterday, and within an hour I was programming it pretty easily. It seems confusing when you're watching somebody do it, but actually with hands on the instrument it's very intuitive.
@@cybermortal1983 It's lovely. Just needs a slightly different approach, then everyone's happy.
I'm in love with the simplicity and size
Edit: my first piece of gear was a dr rhythm so this menu diving I'm seeing here seems refreshingly simple compared to a nightmare like that old boss drum machine haha
That's my main drum machine.
@@triggerwarning5762 nice! imo sound wise it still holds up very well, but man, for a (then) 16 yr old's first piece of gear? OOF 😂 that menu diving was ROUGH 🤣
Depending on how you looked at it, I suppose it's either a great piece of gear to start with or a terrible one 😆
It got the best kickdrum in the universe !
@@audreyazwell Hey, it's no picnic for a 55-year-old! But 30 bucks is 30 bucks!
@@MikkelGrumBovin Yes! Snappy snare, nice clap, and more cowbell!
I use the bongos alot too.
My brain was SO sure you were going to start playing Safety Dance at the intro, I don't know why!
Sounds great! 😽👍
great video as always. for my personal taste some deep punchy bass examples would have been nice and helpful.
Get a mono synth for bass
I went to check this out at the local synth shop. Brought my linnstrument for the new mpe mode. Have you tried mpe mode? I like it but I wasn't able to modulate oscillator amplitude with velocity in mpe mode. So all notes were the same volume. it works nice for pitch bends and filter cut changes on a per note basis. But just curious if you had tried it and if its possible to do amplitude with pressure or velocity. thanks!
Lol! Did the exact same thing, accidentally changing the midi channel while I was working with chords. Understand the hesitancy from some folks, but it’s more intuitive than you would guess. Once the muscle memory is established, it’s pretty easy to get around and use.
Mr ProckGnosis 👍🏻 I hope your doing well.
@@fjfrancois Hey Fj...doing well enough, though I could use a bit more time off to screw around with gear. Hopefully you're well.
I have a Medusa and absolutely adore the Dreadbox oscillators there. Am I imagining things or does this just not sound as “compelling“ as those oscillators? A bit more sterile? Might be the digital modulation, but old Junos sound better too I think.
Thanks a lot to your review! I was so charmed with it sound listening presentations and samples from your sample pack..but now I know that it is not for me because I definitely get mad with its controls:( so I will continue to use samples, thanks again!
Amazing review! I have been trying to get that Sin wave synth sound but I keep failing, I'm fairly sure I copy everything in that video exactly but I keep getting a sharp sound that's descending in pitch... I'm relatively new to analogue gear so this has been pretty challenging for me :(
The menu diving definitely seems like it'll be a tripping point. I personally love a synth that can be thrown into a setup right away without curating presets for performative tweaking, but like Typhon I'll probably need to spend time upfront building some modulations and wiring the midi CC's to my controllers upfront.
Either way, I'm excited to throw this in the mix with my circuit tracks / keystep / Typhon setup
I agree. this packs a lot of firepower into a small space, but the setup seems like a nightmare. once you have your presets done it will be great, but it seems like they sacrificed usability for small footprint.
It's all about keeping the price down. No screen, no keyboard and key press combinations. But what a sound. Hopefully one day Dreadbox will make keyboard synths.
I think as far as screen less UIs go, this mechanical UI strikes a good balance since there are literally just a few button moves to learn - muscle memory will probably kick in pretty quickly. Im assuming everyone saw the vid Dreadbox put out yesterday that explained how this UI works. Looks simple to me.
Getting one ASAP !
I love the eq and wave displays!! they look super futuristic and iron-man-y
Since this has confused some folks before - those displays are NOT part of the synth - it is vfx he added in post
@@danielpirone8028 I know! i didnt assume they were on the synth, they look like screen recordings
Cool - I figured but others have been confused in the past. They are very nice and really help understand what is happening!
@loopop still wonder if you use the same analyzer as before. Because this one seems great.
Yes I use the same ones by Melda
Nice little nod to Satie. ;)
Question: in tri or duo can u individually tune each OSC? Somehow, it just doesn’t seem so clear like it was for example on a Behringer model D.
Oops you answered this-it’s addressed as altering intervals in chord mode
I have a question about not being able to add negative modulation. With the way this is designed is it not possible to have, for example, the modulation wheel close the filter? Or is that not what that means? Intrigued by this, but this seems like it could be a pretty big drawback for sound design...
I like the look and sound but the interface is terrible for me. I'll stay with my typhon and check out their next project. Thanks for another great review!
Please do a video of OB-6 !!!! 🙏🙏🙏
Always a clean review here TY. Now, if only they
a) made it eurorack-able.
b) when I hear you say "it's kind of like navigating in Boston, you will get lost first time" - this highlights probably the #1 gripe of every synth... menu diving. If it needs a piece of paper you need to keep handy... no!!! I dont want 50 pieces of paper cluttering up the studio. I (and everyone) want knobs, sliders and switch selectors! I get it, they were building it down to a price point so that they could aim it at "polyphonic, good sound, cheaper than any other poly". but I won't buy it. It sounds super awesome but they made it a total pain in the butt to use.
Same pricerange as a deepmind12d. How would you compare this to a deepmind?
Dreadbox made the Typhon. They know screens are helpful. The deal here is the pandemic and supply chain issues and prices. If car companies can get the chips, synth companies are going to have limitations too. Within those constraints, this is what was possible, and I think it’s wonderful. I hope to own one when it’s time to buy a new synth next year. This year it’s Typhon for me, but I strongly considered this instead.
Where can I get an oscillator visualizer like that
Great review, thank you! What is the waveform display that appears?
Hi, I use MOscilloscope and MAnalyzer by a company called Melda - they’re free with some limitations in the MFreeFXBundle. Occasionally I’ll use scopes by VCV
Loopop posts yet another in a in long line of wallet drainer videos. :-)
Would love an NYMPHES XL . Like one third of the price on top of original price with a little less menu diving, stil 6 voices, still an awesome machine for such a fair price
Agreed
Does this really make sense with the similarly priced DeepMind desktop unit with a million times easier use and features?
Hello, Im planning to get nymphes as my first synth. Was curious about the midi cc thing (not sure if it even correlates with my goal here). Can i midi map the slider parameters on the nymphes to my launchkey control knobs/sliders?
Yes you can
Why include Reverb if synth output is in mono Oo??
Thanks man I have typon seems similar . Seems pretty cool still I haven't bought any gear in awhile kind of jonesin...
One thing I have to say this is Insane device
I wish you were my older brother loopop 😊 ever search in your channel for the best review, me and some friends. Thank you!
The nymphes smell like JP8000? I believe yes, Im looking for trance strings like, whats your opinión about? Many thanks and cheers from Spain!
It would be great to have the ability to make the voices of chords microtonal by adjusting one of the sliders while editing.
after the mpe update microtuning will be easy to do
@@untml I would like to store microtonal chords. MPE would not help with that.
@@fotszyrzk79 i meant mpe will help you do microtuning, you can store the chords on other devices that can do that. i can do that with my daw
I wish it didn’t sound so junoish. Really reminds me of the my deepmind while doing some different tricks, its core sounds so similar it’s a really tough call. I was waiting so long for this, but when dreadbox was demoing it I was really like…”wait that sounds familiar” I love it but I’d essentially feel like selling one or the other down the road. I love what this does with that sound, seems very inspiring. Changing my mind maybe…
I''m new to synths and want to know what's the difference between running 6 monophonic synths instead of one polyphonic synth? Footprint size?
yes, plus central control. With 6 mono synths (unless you wanted a different sound on each), you'd need to change the controls on each to maintain a similar timbre (or do it via MIDI). If they didn't have a polychain feature built in, you'd also need some sort of MIDI dispatcher software/hardware to send each subsequent note to a different synth. It would also likely be more expensive. Bottom line, don't do it, certainly not as a beginner...
Sounds great. And im sure it going to work with Lab4Music SiparioX like a charm
Navigating in Boston? I visited Boston from the UK a couple of years ago & was walking around the city. I was a bit lost and decided to ask a cop I saw walking towards me. Turned out he was lost too...!!!
Loopop: Just out of curiosity, if you could only own one keyboard, what would it be? Would it be 88 keys? Would it be a synth, or a workstation? I'm not talking about a MIDI keyboard that plays from a computer. I'm talking about a stand alone unit.
i always love to see what dreadbox does! I'm glad i followed my instincts on this one and held off. it just doesn't seem as immediately performative as i prefer. that being said, I expect people to make some very interesting music with this!
Hey there! love your videos! Out of curiosity, what plugins do you use to visualize the waveforms and harmonics? Thanks!
Thanks! I use MOscilloscope and MAnalyzer by a company called Melda - they’re free with some limitations in the MFreeFXBundle. Occasionally I’ll use scopes by VCV
@@loopop Thanks!
Does it allow for note priority (low, high, last)?
I loved the Typhon sound but wanted to stack it with other synths. Lack of note priority was an unfortunate deal breaker because I couldn't make it the bass or lead. It was always last note.
no just last note
So you can change and adapt the way you play man. it will make you more precise.^^ cheers.
New POLY AT and MPE support make this a target for Osmose owners, also Micromonsta 2, what other hardware has very good MPE?
I love Dreadbox, but this a nightmare to tweak patches on. I hate sharing faders for 2 enveloppes, so for every parameters and with no screens to check things, I'll be very unhappy. (:
The new Jx 08 gives this some serious competition…. real MIDI 5 pin din is a good litmus test of how many corners have been cut.
not really fair to compare it to a digital synth though, and I don't think a full midi fits into this form factor. and it's a pretty trivial problem
sick form factor
It seems to easily sound sinister, which I find very attractive ! 😄
The NYX has this characteristic too...
you mean this little BOX... will give you a sense of DREAD...
I wonder if Dreadbox will add multitimbral mode to the Nymphes like on the Abyss?
since they've used every possibility they have with their interface I doubt that's very practical.
That trick with the aftertouch (or modwheel, not sure about velocity) to chord mode is wild... I can see quite a few musical uses for that...
This sounds really great. I may have missed it, but could someone say how the MIDI channel is set? A dive into the menu? Does it retain it between power downs?
Thanks! MIDI channel is the seventh menu item and yes it's retained
@@loopop Thanks for the fast answer! It's great that is retained. I know a few synths where the channel isn't retained (mostly older synths), which makes for a longer, more complicated set-up.
You can’t tune the oscillator?
What is being used for audio and wave visualization above the synth?
Hi, I use MOscilloscope and MAnalyzer by a company called Melda - they’re free with some limitations in the MFreeFXBundle. Occasionally I’ll use scopes by VCV
@@loopopthank you for the info and the review!
Trying hard tondecide between the nymphes and a hydrasynth lol
Paired with a faderfox ec4 would be a nice combo.
hi loop so there are six filters one per voice correct?
Low pass filters - Yes. There’s one global high pass filler
Wow! I had no idea it's so tiny! But good, i like tiny things. :D
That Chord feature reminds me of the 4ms Ensemble Oscillator...
True! That’s just a bit harder to program
Could you please review the roland system 1m? there are way to few demos of it available, would be nice to get a good in depth view into a synth that has seemingly gone under the radard
Well, it sounds great. An important thing to know about it is that it does not respond well to velocity changes: the envelopes will pop and click. Roland's response to me: "I think this is due to the original system-1 being built with a fixed velocity keyboard and the 1m running the same system program. As it stands now it may be best to use it without velocity for patches where you find the clicks very noticeable." So be aware. Other than that it's a pretty interesting weird thing, get it used for cheap.
Pls what is the monitor tech you are using to display the wave forms?
They’re not real it’s just a video overlay
@@loopop ok, was thinking that, awesome effect, curious about the software and technique used. Cheers!
Question: if I want to save a patch in a user slot, how do I know I'm not overwriting another saved user preset?
You're always overwriting the user preset in the slot - initially the user presets are the same as their parallel factory preset, so there are no empty presets
@@loopop Thanks for the reply! I'm still confused though. On the Typhon, I mess with a preset and then I want to save it as a new user preset, then I go to save and it lets me choose where I save it. The screen lets me know whether I'm overwriting another preset or an init patch. How can I make sure I'm not overwriting a preset that I made before and want to keep, other than writing out an actual physical list, and keeping track that way?
Love it, but wish it had les menu diving and a proper two-oscillator design instead of a sub-osc
6 voices is one oscillator only. Also, you cant sculpt the sound of basic waveforms beside the filter and resonance. (+ pulsewidth and osc detune for a 3 voice synth). It has a great reverb.
The waves transition from one to another and that's modulatable, which I'd count as sculpting.
Not sure how one picks this over a deepmind6. Now at only $499. That chord functionality is cool though.
Yours are the Best reviews out there. Good sir.
These are vcos? Huh. I may have spoken too soon. Apples and oranges then really against a dp6
Thanks and yes vcos here
Size, mpe, looks all go to miss Nymphes
Navigating in Boston lol that was hilarious