I agree, he is dark but no darker than real life. He embodied the ideas of the pursuit of knowledge at all cost and the acting for the greater good even if it means doing evil. He fits in perfectly with the rest of the shinigami. Violent, calculated, cold, ruthless A perfect picture of death
Mayuri is the peak of Kubo's piss-poor writing and characterization, his relationship with Nemu is the most forced shit I've seen in forever and the anime did jack shit to change that. Just add some vocals when he's despairing and normies will fall for it, not all of them thankfully, some are simply not that stupid.
You can talk about “themes” but story wise the Soul Society was never a benevolent organization, in fact it’s very foundation is seen has a terrible act of dismemberment and use of the body of deity has its very foundation, the ends justify the means is ingrained in the Soul Society and Maiyuri represents that very facet, he’s crazy but he’s a asset so he’s tolerated, I mean Zaraki killed countless people for the thrill of battle but that’s ok because that’s different optics then what Mayuri does, the point is Shinigami aren’t the classic good guys, they have their own status quo and willing to do anything to maintain it.
Even unohana used to go to rukongai to kill and fight lmao , before meeting zaraki , I don't know what he was expecting from people who are borderline criminals or raised by criminals
@@josephobi3486 “well hes he does currently to this day experiment on people. Have you considered that his coworkers used to do equally bad things hundreds of years ago but not currently?”
Urahara also created the hogyoku so he also either took advantage or harmed a lot of souls. The Soul Society is a different world from our own what's acceptable and what is not is different.
Exactly the point because the other point is literally the end of all worlds. Yamamoto is most likely a genocider as well. I can hardly say any captain is actually good. Even Ukitake. The only thing i think it is bad on the story is Kubo not making Ishida wanting to kill Mayuri even if they are in the 200 mile radius. Even more TYBW that he should take the chance
Finding out that Mayuri uses some kind of sciency bs (released gas?) to reduce threat responses in those around him and enhance acceptance/loyalty towards him would be a great plot twist. Nemu being so mindlessly loyal towards him due to long-term exposure would be explained, similar to the other soul society captains not adressing his evil. It would allow him to become the villain he so clearly is without breaking internal consistency through previous arcs.
When mayuri was introduced, it was done to show how corrupt and broken of a system soul society But once that arc and its point were done, I expected them to get rid of mayuri instead of keeping him and endorsing that system they fought against
I'm pretty sure it's hinted at in the later arcs that Soul Society still has a pretty broken and corrupt system, albeit not as much as before. So I don't see why they would get rid of Mayuri that early on if he's still technically of use to them.
"Endorsing that system they fought against" I am lost here. When did the dynamic of the soul society change? What arc did they change? I'd argue they did things to actively show they haven't changed throughout most of the series imo.
I’m about to be Saul Goodman for a black face enthusiast: I would agree with much of this video if you hadn’t removed 90% of the context involved. Mayuri as a character is meant to show the dark side of the soul society that cannot be removed. Specifically the fact that most of the Captains were criminals or were brought up by criminals. Unohana is criminal, Yamamoto was a demon allegedly, and most of the captains were okay with executing Rukia. The Soul Society was cooked from the ground up. So calling out Mayuri and wondering why they’re okay with a criminal makes very little sense. Another thing is that the Quincy were mostly killed by Ywach. Not the soul reapers. In fact the soul reapers tried for years to get them to reconsider killing hollows with their method. A method that actively ruined the flow of souls. This method is mentioned very early on series prior to the last arc. Lastly the way Nemu is treated is disgusting. However you mentioned several times that she is doll. Which doesn’t support the sympathetic narrative you wish to convey. Also much of that abuse is correctly characterized as evil. Even when it’s in a comedic scene. You very rarely get characters that don’t question Mayuri’s treatment of Nemu. Also in the diddler scene when he revives Nemu. It’s pretty clear that what’s happening is not anything close to Drake activity. Though it does make Uryu look like an idiot. While I do question Mayuri calling Nemu his “daughter” is more accurate to call her his creation. Especially since other characters in Bleach that have done similar things aren’t going around calling their creations their “kids”. Overall your video seems to lack a lot of the context surrounding Mayuri. Which is evident since you claim he becomes an anti hero. Bro never even approached reluctant hero status. He is unanimously a villain. Whats funny is that there reason why Nemu’s death at the end of the series was so traffic was that it was only then that he realized what she meant to him. Which is pitiful not aspirational.
Im seeing Saul but no Goodman Because it doesn’t change how most of the current captains very much don’t have that criminal background, your two examples are extremely old and extremely reformed. And I mean the Nemu is effectively a living breathing human that even has agency. She’s cognizant and aware. Anything done to her is still a crime Mayuri has dine unforgivable things and its never covered
@@De_La_Evo arent that what he said? he almost said "this bitch called mayuri is the living concept of evil", and you said(in my vision) "the living concept of evil is this bitch called mayuri"
@@De_La_Evo Yeah, so reformed none of them had any issue executing Rukia for something that truly wasn't that big of a deal? Also, not sure where you got the idea that Yamamoto was ever "reformed". He murdered to get what he wanted, and then when he more-or-less got what he wanted he chilled out (a little) until something threatened that. Not even sure you can call Unohana "reformed" either. If someone is a bloodthirsty murderer and you simply tuck that away and hide it, you're not "reformed". It's never mentioned in the story if she was just forced to keep her "true self" under control or if she did truly change to some extent, so you're making a lot of assumptions. Plus, she gave out signs of bloodlust several times throughout the story with something so little as "friendly" smile, something that shouldn't be detectable by people that don't know her history unless she truly was exuding said bloodlust. Sounds a lot more like her trying to suppress her "true self" than legitimately being reformed. Plus, did everyone miss the OBVIOUS theme in the story that shows that Soul Society and the Gotei as a whole are not good people or even the "good people" of the story? The story and it's factions were blatantly painted in shades of gray. That's not to say that some or most of the captains and everyone under them aren't good, but Yamamoto and everyone above him have done atrocious things to get where they are and have never once faced any sort of punishment for it (unless you consider Yamamoto's demise a super delayed punishment). Yamamoto was an awful person, but he got stuff done and made massive progress for Soul Society, THAT'S why he wasn't eventually punished. Mayuri is also a terrible being but, much like Yamamoto, he gets shit done and is the sole reason that several very tough foes get thwarted. He done very important things that have saved many people, all with the worst intentions in mind the entire time. Does he get shit done? Absolutely. Does anyone actually trust him? I think it's made obvious that they don't. Is he a war crime given humanoid form? Absolutely, don't think anyone is arguing against that. The problem is, applying real life "laws" to Soul Society is absolutely wild. The laws of an imaginary afterlife world in an anime that has bashed into our heads multiple times that they don't share humanity's values (or laws) cannot be compared to actual human law. Also comparing Nemu to a human... once again, shows lack of understanding of the world of Bleach as a whole. She's a creation. That's it. She's viewed as such by everyone in the Gotei. What you think she is because of your preconceived notions of what a "human" is do not matter because that's not how Soul Society views it. Plus, the Gotei in general don't think a whole lot of human beings in the first place... to make an argument that things done to her should be a "crime" (when we saw first hand in the Soul Society arc that Captains have, many times, killed the "nobody" Soul Reapers from other divisions without so much as a slap on the wrist) makes zero sense within the confines of the story.
@@sarkaztik3228 this is an insufferable comment Yes you are so very enlightened by implying that these characters are so very grey-scaled and actually super neutral and there are no basic laws of humane conduct anyone should need to follow and morality means nothing bleedegh Shush, Yes obviously Yamamoto and Unohana changed because clearly one like you pointed out mellowed out and grew from clearly morally black to a more complex human, Unohana is also different as although she hid things I think the story makes it clear she had a genuine relationship with Isane old Unohana would *never* consider Furthermore. You can’t hide behind moral relativism because as you partially put forward those point of views are completely asinine. I don’t care how the soul society views Mayuri and Nemu because clearly most of them are capable of completely human emotion and empathy which would lead any living breathing thing that even thinks 25% like a human to disavow everything Mayuri does. Point out literally any captain thats not from the first band of literal criminals, that even comes *close* to the morally reprehensible nature of Mayuri. He’s not the rule, he’s undoubtedly the exception and is very much presented as such from beginning to end. Though Mayuri’s character evolved and expanded it’s odd (or should be odd) to even the biggest if Bleach fans that this is so unexploredely side-stepped by the story. Like others mentioned Byakuya had a believable change, Soi Fon did, Mayuri had no perspective shift during SS nor any excuse or twist (like Sajin or Gin respectively) to recontextualize his actions. Claiming Uryu and several others would be just “okay” with coexisting with an ally that has done worse things then most of the villain cast is 100% a plot oversight in my eyes. And lets make this clear this isn’t a legal issue and Soul Reapers aren’t aliens who are completely unaware of moral standards. So it’s either all characters are actively condemnable for allowing Mr. MK Ultra to run around or it’s a plot convenience. I choose to believe the ladder because I think very obviously the Soul Society is subtly and not so subtly shown as an unequal humanitarian nightmare that is headed by a corrupt hierarchy in which everything needs massive overhauls.
@@De_La_Evo "Nemu is effectively a living breathing human that even has agency. She’s cognizant and aware. Anything done to her is still a crime" by whom? First off he made her and its his creation no one else is there to claim they know more than him if the central 46 (whom are the justice department and are corrupt) doesn't say anything then he is free to do what he wants as long it doesn't interfere with the laws in SS. Even Byakuya said he doesn't agree with mayuri's moral of how he does stuff but Mayuri is fighting for helping out the living world and SS so there is more "grey" areas to him. Like the reason why they had to eliminate the 28,000 citizens of rukongai was to "correct" the soul balance distribution by the wandenreich, yes its horrible but its what was needed and is why it was hidden from the rest. If nothing was done then basically the worlds would have collapsed, so Mayuri is the unsung hero in this despite his methods is not the most moral one. Also he does change a bit as a character later and depending on what hell arc does there is a lot of opportunity to go deeper or if the TYBW anime delves more in to his character.
Mayuri is a representation of the unchangeable evil of the soul society. Dude is just kept around because hes too useful. Ashijogi Jizo. It represents a mockery of divine creation and that's why it looks twisted. Nemu and her death signifies Mayuri's failures and his abuses. She is a product of his evil. Kubo doesn't like scientists so that's why all the science characters are perverted and evil in some way.
nemu wasn’t a failure, she was actually “perfect” to mayuri when she acted on her own free will because mayuri liked imperfection and her becoming more human and not a robot is the cause of that imperfection. Mayuri didn’t know what he had in his hands until the end. But yes he is a sick fuck
Damn fr? Major respect lost for kubo if that's true. Did he say that in an interview or something? How can someone born in a hospital dislike scientists as a whole to such a degree, like you literally owe your life to their discoveries and hard work. Also the hypocrisy of disliking them to the point of portraying them as horrible perverts despite making use of their work your entire life to enrich it beyond what you alone could achieve. Also depicting scientists as perverts cus you dislike them despite being someone who really loves drawing undegrade girls with giant titties in revealing outfits(tybw orihime has to be a crime of some sort)
@@o0ugi860 If you know anything about what japanese scientists did in WW2 then you'd know why scientists have a bad reputation. Also eugenics scientists, In Mayuri's strive to manipulate and create life he's basically one.
Your entire problem stems from an assumption that the Soul Society is a good organization. Soul Society is an organization that imprisons people for the crime of BEING CAPABLE of doing something that would greatly undermine them. The world they built is built upon the eternal torture of the Soul King. If someone is useful to their ends, they overlook anything. One of the lessons they teach in their academy amounts to "screw honor, stab bitches in the back. Win at all costs." Mayuri is given essentially free reign to do whatever the hell he wants because the tech he makes for them is useful. Mayuri never actually stops committing atrocities through the entire story. In the Arrancar Arc, he doesn't get enough screentime outside of the Szayel fight to do anything, but he planted surveillance bugs in Uryu when they fought. In the TYBW he controls his arrancar corps not through mind control but through torture. He had the tools to strip them of their minds and turn them into puppets, but he chose to just torture them instead. He also went and slaughtered thousands of random people in the rukon district. Mayuri is a fucking psycho. Uryu using the bombs Mayuri gave him isn't him forgiving Mayuri for the horrors he committed on the quincies, it's him acknowledging that the tools Mayuri brings into existence are good for killing hollows. Ichigo likely doesn't know the extent of Mayuri's insanity. Mayuri treats Nemu like a tool because he built her. He doesn't think of her as a person until the TYBW, where she demonstrates herself to be a truly complete lifeform through her decisions against Pernida. As for what he does to heal her after Szayel, the real answer is just that we don't know what he did. He most likely just injected her with some kind of drug that reversed the draining Szayel's impregnation ability did. "They could've showed Soul Society being bad more" like them imprisoning people for being capable of committing crimes, letting murderers off scot-free because they have connections, allowing Mayuri to continuously do evil shit, Soi Fon punching Omaeda for trying to save her instead of killing the enemy as he kills her(which is the modus operandi of the Stealth Corps), or sentencing a group of captains and lieutenants to execution for the crime of being experimented on against their will? Soul Society is a genuinely evil organization in a lot of ways. "The TYBW frames him as an entirely good guy" yeah, like when he killed hundreds to thousands of random people without permission, or when he controlled his zombie corps via torture, or when Giselle(psycho rapist who is actually doing it for personal enjoyment) outright calls him a lunatic. Mayuri is always framed as someone who is extremely intelligent, but also downright evil. The series doesn't need to say that him torturing people is wrong, because it's obvious that it is. The reactions of the people who know are there to frame them. The Soul Society finds him to be unsettling and creepy at best, but is complicit in his every action, and justifies him due to him being useful. Yamamoto's death wasn't a punishment for his ruthlessness, it was a punishment for his complacency. The scene where Mayuri blames Yamamoto isn't morally justifying his mass killing, it's logically justifying it. The mass killing was the logically correct choice, because it did less harm than the collapse of the world. It isn't the morally correct choice. Mayuri is logically correct that Yama's failure to kill Ywhach way back when is the reason this happened, but that wasn't there to justify his action, but to show that Yamamoto has no right to lash out, given his responsibility for the situation even progressing to where he had to do that. Mayuri started off in prison before he did anything, because of the corruption of the Soul Society, and he ended the story a free man despite his crimes because of the corruption of the Soul Society. The Maggot's Nest(the prison Mayuri was in) is a prison explicitly for innocent people who might hider the Soul Society.
@@thatonguy2407 His abuse and overall evil characteristics are considerably toned down from his original depiction to the point that his more unfavorable traits are treated as utilitarianism instead of as self-indulgent
@seaside9061 his evil acts aren't treated as utilitarian. He gets let off for doing shit like blowing up his subordinates because of the tech he brings. He continues being egregious as the arcs go on. He plants surveillance bugs in Uryu, and chooses torture as his method of controlling his zombie corps. He could've chosen other methods of controlling the zombies, but instead he chose to implant them with a device he could use to torture them. Mayuri chooses to inflict pain and suffering wherever he can get away with it.
@thatonguy2407 It's kubo favorite character but the next times we seen him he is often portrayed significantly more heroic while in his first appearance he looked like he was set up to be a future foe Uryu would encounter again. In the war what he did against the quincy wasn't really questioned at all and was a big savior there. He was honestly a necessary evil, plus he's literally the only character where his mad murder is just played off more comedically or with alot less questioning of character. Considering the fact other captains who were portrayed as villainous or had a detrimental trait of some kind all died or got some severe punishmemt, Mayuri not facing any severe punishments from a story telling perspective is jarring to say the least. To put this into perspective, let's say that in a timeline where Ichigo mom didn't lose her quincy powers, Mayuri also took the life of Ichigos Mom. In no way would he be viewed the way he is by the fans, but what he did to Uryus grandad is kinda just shrugged off like it isn't a big deal.
To everyone saying soul society has evil or dark history. Note that doesnt justify how the characters like ichigo and uryu or other quincy treat him. He kills his own squad mates too. The major problem is he was made so horrifically evil that he in effect becomes a plot hole in the sense that other characters end up warping or changing their personalities and even beliefs in order to have mayuri not face retaliation.
@fuzemurcury3082 you can assume that but if you think his friend is going to casually reveal the greatest hidden weapon of his entire culture but not explain why he ended up using it then i gotta say i think its absolutely a reach to say he didnt at least give some idea of how messed up mayuri is. He also openly rants about how he intends to use orihime as a subject of tests and whatnot so she could also tell ichigo mayuri is a actuall villain.
The biggest Problem with Mayuri story is, that it doesn't even matter, because everybody forgets his silly little dark ages and nobody talks about it and nobody ever holds a grude against him. THEN WHY EVEN BOTHER TO WRITE HIM SO EVIL..... Nothing would change of the story of bleach....
I specifically remember Byakuya talking about how much he couldn't stand Mayuri after he took control to two Captains when they became zombies He represents a corrupt society looking the other way because he's a significant asset and he's able to get away with killing those people in Rukongai because the entire universe would collapse otherwise. My issue is that the sexual gags really make him seem sinister. Uryū should hate him way more than he's shown to later in the story. I assume many of the deeper issues in the society each Ichigo is just flat out unaware of because he lives in the human world. Zaraki, Unohana and The Head Captain are known to be responsible for horrendous things that the higher ups let slide because they're an assest. Ichibei himself Who stands at the top of the soul society is a lying manipulator that was going to dismember and kill Ichigo and make him the new Soul King if the current one died. So overall I think this is a good critique and that even if he changed him dying and Nemu rising to the challenge would have been better
13:28 Answer to that question: Mayuri is Kubo's favourite character and he uses Mayuri's aesthetics as his avatar sometimes. I think Kubo's love for Mayuri blinded him and thus resulting in Mayuri not receiving punishment for the MANY cr-mes he has committed. From a writing perspective, Mayuri should have received punishment or at least reflected on his past misdeeds. But nope, Mayuri does none of those. Mayuri's plot armour is too powerful, I swear. Yhwach should have unalived Mayuri before he fought Yamamoto. Mayuri should have been obliterated by Yhwach. We had Unohana be unalived in that arc but not Mayuri, wtf?
Mayuri being kept around is for several reasons: 1. He’s Kubo’s favorite. 2. The Soul Society values pragmatism above morality and Mayuri is undoubtedly one of, if not the most valuable captain based on usefulness. 3. Mayuri is the mvp of the TYBW or at least tied with Urahara. 4. The soul society doesn’t care about evil if it benefits them as they themselves aren’t heroes. Shunsui states as much several times. Ichibei the head of the shinigami values the greater status quos over morality as shown by the novels. 5. Most captains aren’t good people. Yamamoto has killed trillions of people, Kenpachi is a mass murdering fight addict, and Unohana was the same. When the Quincy killed a large amount of hollows, Mayuri killed 20,000!Rukongai civilians to keep the spiritual balance and Yamamoto didn’t care. He cared more that Nayuri didn’t tell him first.
@@illumialter8755 my point wasn’t whether or not he’s a well written character, it was that Soul Society fundamentally is made up of morally corrupt people who will value how useful someone us over morality.
@@potatofarmergyro1720 at what point outside of TYBW could Uryu kill Mayuri and if he killed a Captain, the soul society would come after him. It has nothing to do with writing, him trying to kill Mayuri is stupid from a tactical standpoint and would also be waste of time considering Mayuri’s countermeasures to almost everything.
@@potatofarmergyro1720 Honestly ALOT of things surrounding Mayuri make him a badly written character and it's not just because of him being a terrible person but it's the lengths Kubo goes to excuse or ignore his actions and to make him seem like he's better and smarter than other characters.
The Gotei 13 aren't "good guys", they are keeping the status quo at any cost. Yes there are honorable and good people among them, but as an organization it values the ability to keep things going, over any morals. Mayuri is far too useful to the Gotei 13 for them to ever really do anything about him. And he's far from the only mass-murdering "criminal" among them, he's just not trying to pretend otherwise. So I would not call Mayuri a problem, since he serves to shine a light on what kind of organization the Gotei 13 really is. Keep the balance, keep the worlds as they are, at literally any cost.
It seems a lot of the comments on the this video are not understanding the points Karta is making. Karta is criticizing Maryui not because he doesn’t suffer Kameric punishment but rather because Mayrui’s own disciple actions are never once addressed or acknowledged in the narrative itself after his introduction and since then have been justified Romanticize and even played for laughs by said the narrative.
A big theme in bleach is that neither side is necessarily “right”. The shinigami often commit evil acts for the greater good of the universe. Mayuri is the biggest example of that theme He slaughtered the quincies partly because he takes pleasure in it, but also because it is the duty of the soul society to maintain the balance of souls. The Quincy are a threat to the balance because they erase hollow souls from the reincarnation cycle. Mayuri existence is an example of the morally grey nature of the soul society. He is by no means a good person, but he does what he does for the greater good of the world. For example; he kills thousands of rukongi citizens to maintain the balance, and Yamamoto is completely fine with it. His actions are a necessary evil to stop the entire world from collapsing.
Finally the video is out. Nice one. I personally don't have a big issue with it but I can see why some people would. I would be interested if this point is even brought up in Beach again(cope). I see Mayuri as one of the parts of Soul Society structure. So while I get people wanting to see him pay for his actions, I would also love that it happens when the whole Soul Society as an institution gets questioned hard and direct, and the questionable elements in that structure gets called out according to their sins(Mayuri would be high up). But I guess Kubo wasn't interested in that.
I also despise Mayuri and he's my most hated character. The reason he doesn't see any real consequences for his actions is mainly because of what his research does for soul society. He was in fact put on "trial" for blowing up his own men, but he basically gets away with it. There is an actual point to this though, and it's to show the corruption of the higher ups of the court guard. Despite them seeming to be the "good guys", they do a lot of fucked up shit. Mayuri is apart of the corruption of the soul society.
And yet the manga constantly backpedaled on that and doesn’t end with the SS getting overthrown. Bleach is basically One Piece if it never went through on all of the build up of how evil the Celestial Dragons/rich elites were and how corrupt the Marines were.
@@Zelink108 The soul reapers have to exist, they keep the balance of souls in the world. There was no build up of overthrowing the soul society, that's not what ichigo wanted to do. He just wanted to save his friends.
I accept him as a simple product of soul society. That place is absolutely rotten. Its a critique of japanese society in general, where someone can get away with anything as long as they are in a position of power and don't annoy someone more powerful than themselves. Mayuri is just that, he is an evil but is still useful for the soul society, which is why they overlook his many MANY insane actions.
I mean I think this is more of a critique of societies of high power not Japanese specifically. America is a good example of another society of this particular problem.
To be fair about the whole “Mayuri killing Uryu’s Grandpa and other Quinces” thing, you have to remember that quinces destroy souls, which robs people of their after life. So unless that is seen as a good thing, I don’t think Uryu should be treated like a helpless victim, as both parties essentially do bad things.
I think Mayuri and Kenpachi are the only shinigami captains who still uphold the values of the original Gotei 13, we're never told how old they are, but given that a young Kenpachi dueled with Unohana in her prime, and Mayuri was in prison for several hundred years, their ideals of the Gotei are based off of how the original captains used to operate. As Yhwach puts it, "the original Gotei were only court guards in name, as they were simply a savage group of killers." However, as time passed, the nature of the organisation changed, as Yamamoto began to prioritise maintaining a status quo over quenching their bloodthirst, and if you think about it, Kyoraku as well as Ukitake and other captains to follow are the product of that. They're all used to seeing a seireitei that's peaceful. Byakuya is probably the best example of this, as he seems to prioritise ideals over everything else, something that would've been ENTIRELY alien to the Gotei 13 of the past. Now, Mayuri's actions aren't entirely excusable, but his character is rather consistent. He still continues conducting dubious experiments on the Arrancars and subsequently the Sternritters (as we see in the novels). I do think Mayuri might have toned up some of the dialogue he said to Ishida in Soul Society, or perhaps it was just toned down retroactively by Kubo who might not have been exactly sure of the specifics at the time of him first writing Mayuri. Now, Mayuri and Urahara are both of men of science but what makes them fundamental opposites is that Mayuri prioritises his thirst for knowledge over everything else, and Urahara prioritises the wellbeing of the sereitei over all else; but what makes the two of them similar is that they compromise at nothing when it comes to their research, and they're willing to sacrifice anything, as Hiyori points out when she says of Urahara "Your everything's for the sake of the sereitei attitude was something I always despised." Kenpachi and Mayuri, as I said before, are very similar in the regard for their thirst. For Kenpachi it's his love for battle and living on the edge, and for Mayuri it's discovering the unknown and new knowledge. While all the other captains focus on a maintenance of the status quo, and do their job as balancers, the eccentric nature of these two captains is what makes them stand apart from the rest. This is also why both of them are such fan favourites, in a different way from someone like Byakuya or Toshiro. If we're talking about a concept of embodying/personifying ideas, Yamamoto symbolised the old system that went from anarchy to balance. Byakuya symbolised the current system which transitioned from rigid and strict to flexible and humane. And, Toshiro symbolises the future of the Soul Society, as his quest to gain stronger, and be unsatisfied with the status quo attitude of the Gotei (which got shaken up after the quincy invasions), resonates with that of most new Soul reapers. Ichibei flat out states that "a thousand years of peace have made all the shinigami weaklings." However, Kenpachi and Mayuri are the variables, because they care about themselves, rather than the system. While other characters are loved for their progression as people, and their reflection of certain values or ideas, Mayuri and Kenpachi are loved because they're unapologetically themselves. Hell, the two of them are even Kubo's favourite characters. Mayuri also has a lot of character development throughout the series, while it is extremely subtle. It's most apparent in the Thousand Year Blood War arc, but even in the Arrancars Saga, where he seemed to be out on a field trip, he actually did develop significantly as a character. And that was his encounter with Szayelaporro. Immortality and perfection. Szayel claims of himself to be an immortal phoenix that throws itself into the fire when it grows old, and emerges renewed. As a member of the Espada, the group whose character motifs are based off different forms of death, Szayel claims that "It's not about avoiding death, it's about becoming a pathway to continued life. Death is no longer the end, my existence is an endless cycle of death and rebirth." This is where we get an amazing parallel between Mayuri and him, because that has literally been Mayuri's character theme from the get go. When, he fights Ishida in Soul Society and the audience is led to believe that he's been blown to bits by Ishida, for him to then turn into some form of blobby gloob, and slither down the gutters, and then we see him return stronger in the next arc. Mayuri has always been about that rebirth type beat, but the thing that makes him victorious against Szayel is that unlike the pink haired freak, he didn't delude himself into a false sense of perfection (at least he believes he doesn't). And that's when he delivers the beautiful speech on "Nothing in this world is perfect, as cliched as it may sound, it is true. That's why the average joe strives for perfection. But is perfection even desirable? I think not, for it's empty and stagnating. I abhor perfection, as it is a dead end. It leaves no room for innovation or improvement, nor any wisdom or talent. For people of science like us, perfection equates to despair. Be greater than all that's become before, but never be perfect. Scientists always struggle in that contradiction, but they ought to find pleasure in it. In other words, the moment you mentioned a concept such as perfection, you'd already lost to me." It's this encounter that we as an audience are first introduced to seeing Mayuri's character for what he is; a genius scientist who borders on lunacy (like all good scientists do) and strives for improvement, not for perfection, just unparalleled and continuous improvement. (Continued in replies because it got too long for RUclips LMAO)
His attitude for optimising and adapting however, is put to test during the Quincy invasions. During the first invasion, when all the captains' bankais are in jeopardy, he finds himself unable to come up with a hypothesis on time. (Oh and also, sidenote. A lot of people seem to think that Mayuri's character mellowed out over the course of the series, when he really didn't. He even sacrificed countless innocent lives of humans living in Rukongai district to balance out the Hollow souls vanquished by the Quincies.) Mayuri doesn't fear sacrifice, but in the TYBW arc, we see him prioritising the whole, over the individual. He acts out of character for himself, as he cries out to the captains in despair, those that lost their bankais before he got to complete his hypothesis. He realises that if the Gotei doesn't survive, he wouldn't either, and this is where his character and Kenpachi's seem to become different after all. Moving on to the second invasion, we see Mayuri pulling out the reanimated corpses of the arrancars, and more importantly, what he says to his fellow soul reapers who hesitated to fight their (now zombified comrades), "Protect the sereitei. I don't recall the Gotei being such a soft organisation. An officer of the Court Guards, shall die a court guard. If one harms the court guard, they shall take their own life. Those were the words of the former Captain Commander that you respected so much." In this one line he not only proves of his extreme loyalty to the court guards, and previously Yamamoto, he also proves my point of him carrying the ideals of the original Gotei. Mayuri, just like a lot of the other characters in Bleach, makes his ends justify the means. Now for arguably Mayuri's greatest character moment, his fight against Sternritter C: "The Compulsory", Pernida. For starters, even in the face of extreme danger from an unknown entity, which even terrified the likes of Ikkaku from Division 11 who asks "Captain Kurotsuchi please stop smiling and run. How can you be so happy in a situation like this?!" And Mayuri responds with "How can I be so happy, you ask? Discovering an unforeseen subject to observe, which only surpasses my expectations every moment; if that's not joyous, then what is!?" However, this fight also marks his greatest moment of weakness. Mayuri's comfort zone, and his sole sense of delusion, his AI daughter Nemu. As an arrow fired by Pernida is about to hit him, and there's no possible way for him to dodge midair, Nemu jumps in to save Mayuri, without having any prior orders from him. Mayuri is mad at Nemu even though she saved his life, because she put her own life at risk. Now obvious questions of morality and whether robots can have feelings, and if it's okay to abuse a robot since they might not have feelings aside, this one scene makes it evident that Mayuri does deeply care about Nemu and values her life over his. He tells her to not think for herself, and to only obey his orders, because it took a heavy toll on him everytime one of her previous versions failed and he had to rework her into a newer version. Nemu (ver 7) signified Mayuri's comfort and delusion. Mayuri brushes off a very real sense of parental love and admiration he experiences for Nemu as a "creepy feeling", when he sees that she carried his flesh healing device with him, even when he forgot to and hadn't given her any orders to do so. As they continue to engage in battle with Pernida, the Sternritter uses its schrift to replicate the ability of Mayuri's bankai and tries to attack them. Mayuri is about to get hit, when Nemu goes full on battle mode, without paying any heed to Mayuri's orders, and as he realises of her own will and sentience, Mayuri feels a mix of guilt, humiliation, satisfaction, and most importantly love. Mayuri remembers that he had named her Nemuri (Sleep) as the entire idea of creating an artificial soul was nothing save a silly dream to him. But over the years, as that dream had turned into an obvious reality, the idea of losing her makes Mayuri's heart break on the inside. It's then that he remembers Szayel and realises that he had been living in only delusion for so long, believing that Nemu Nanago was perfect, and as the image of Szayel in his head taunts him "... By finishing off your meat puppet, it (Pernida) smashed that arrogance and negligence of yours. You're at the end of your resources, alone and helpless. And what you believed to have been perfect has now been destroyed. If it were me in this situation, I couldn't have stopped myself from laughing." Mayuri's inner self wants him, NEEDS HIM, to be a soulless monstrous freak who only ever cares about improvement. However, his character has a shade of humanity to it. It's very faint and subtle, but it's there. His love for Nemu was proof of that. It's not mentioned expressedly, but it becomes evident once you read between the lines, and look beneath the surface. Mayuri is one of the best written characters in Bleach, and I hope this really long comment has changed your mind on him, even if just a little. Cheers.
Video on orochimaru next since he did the same thing and got away with it. Burrito even makes fun of the fact everyone knows what orochimaru did and still see him as an ally.
As many here have said the Soul Society are not "Good Guys" and are incredibly corrupt and Mayuri is too smart to publically cross any line that would see him purged by other Shinigami. Also many of the Shinigami have either extremely patronizing attitude to normal humans or view them as little more than livestock with highest authority among them (central 46) being more on the livestock side. That being said. I personally take Mayuri as charcter in fashion of Milo Minderbinder from Catch-22. Someone that by all rights should be seen as reprehensible monster, but their mindset is so divorced from human morality that it somehow lets them escape that judgement.
That wouldn't work. Because uryu already kinda let go of his hatred for mayuri when they fought szayel along with renji...it would be too awkward for them to fight again...what would be the motivation? That he killed Quincys? OK? He avenged in soul society then they made terms in arrancar arc...
I’m so glad someone was finally able to talk about this. I started watching Bleach when I was 12 and I was waiting for Mayuri to pay for his action and for the life of me I could understand why the author decided to just push it under the rug. Especially the scene where he fondles his daughter after his fight with Szayel my mind legit went blank during that same because I couldn’t understand for the life of me why the author thought that be a good idea in any context.
Mayuri is supposed to be a grey character and Uryu chose to distance himself from the SS. Mayuri made Nemu and its his creation no one else is there to claim they know more than him. If the central 46 (whom are the justice department and are corrupt) doesn't say anything then he is free to do whatever he wants as long as it doesn't interfere with the laws in SS. Even Byakuya said he doesn't agree with mayuri's moral of how he does stuff but since they are serving the SS (they are only a military group and not "politicians") they keep themselves to each their own (SS arc showed how splitted the interest were between the different divisions). Like the reason why they had to eliminate the 28,000 citizens of rukongai was to "correct" the soul balance distribution by the wandenreich, yes its horrible but its what was needed and is why it was hidden from the rest. If nothing was done then basically the worlds would have collapsed, so Mayuri is the unsung hero in this despite his methods is not the most moral good one. Maybe in TYBW anime we can get more new materials regarding Mayuri and Uryu or when the manga continues.
@tillburr6799 Because it's made ostensibly clear on many occasions that the Soul Society is an extremely corrupt organization that will keep on doing/turning a blind eye to evil as long as it benefits its status quo, and Mayuri is a great example of that, he's still very much evil, but since he is useful then nothing can be done about it. This is the sort of things that make Aizen such a great villain as he HAS a point when saying that Soul Society is corrupt and that he wanted to become the Soul King because he has seen what's wrong with the world and wants to take it into his own hands to fix it (he's the quintessential Nietzschean Übermensch) Reminder that TYBW was not supposed to be the final arc originally from what we've heard from Kubo's interviews, he just had to cut the manga short for several reasons, so what we see is basically a build up that has been halted before the pay off could be delivered
45:14 just to offer some clarification "Mayuri was likely put in jail back then for something similar to what we see him do in the actual story". Not really, it was explained to us through Urahara that Maggot's Nest imprisons what the Seireitei considers potential criminals. Doesn't mean they did something, just that they're seen as capable of doing harm, so it's a preventative measure. Mayuri was considered dangerous enough to be put in isolation, that's true, but that doesn't necessarily mean he committed any crimes prior to his incarceration.
It’s not that he was capable of doing harm is that he was capable of threatening society. Technically, if Eisen were a little less smart, he would’ve ended up there also
Tbh the video topic and energy towards this character seems "misdirected". I mean it doesn't take much thought to agree with your assertion (besides your charity to the morality of the gotei 13, and juxtaposing to it being "different" from mayuri). I think not liking a evil character and wanting the story to make sense in regards to the character makes sense. I wish bleach made characters a actually think about what mayuri did. I don't mind mayuri being a character and how he was in the story. I just wish kubo put time into developing an ACTUAL THEME WITH HIS CHARACTER IN MIND. so i guess what I'm saying is. I think your issue is a kubo writing problem more than this specific character. 🤷🏿 just my 2 cents tbh
I dont think its misdirected because both of these things intertwine with each other. This is one of Kubo's favorites characters, and in the story he is one of the most op bullshit characters in bleach. Honestly the writing and the character pisses me off.
@MEBOLOR I think it is because I don't think mayuri characterization is off. I think the story and the surrounding characters NOT INTERACTING WITH MAYURI is what makes it frustrating
Mayuri is supposed to be cold calculated and selfish as long as he following the law by central 46 (whom are corrupt) then he is legally fine and these arguments that "he is evil" is just outside opposing moral views (we have this in the real world with past and current cultures) This is the same as questioning gods moral, why did god put us on this planet to suffer? Is he evil? These are just human made concepts, so its supposed to feel very alienated. Do people 1000 years ago have the same morals and thought process like people have today? No and about 1000 years in the future people are going to think different than we do today and have complete different morals to ours. Mayuri has never been portrayed as "good" he is supposed to be a character on the "grey" zone, but since he is not an enemy of SS or someone trying to taking over the world its different. The wandenreich doesn't know about the experiments Mayuri did since it was in the past and those quincies Mayuri had experimented on were people that were already exiled for not going with the new progress of the Quincy powers. The reason why they had to eliminate the 28,000 citizens of rukongai was to "correct" the soul balance distribution by the wandenreich, yes its horrible but its what was needed and is why it was hidden from the rest (this goes back to SS not being perfect). Also we have the TYBW anime which is going to delve more in to stuff that was missed out in the manga and the possible manga continuation after the tybw anime is over. Not to be rude here, but the person behind this video has not properly read the manga since Ichigo knows nothing about the stuff Uryu got to experience during the first encounter with Mayuri, which he has kept to himself and is why he distance himself. The whole reason why he was "allied" was due to a greater common enemy (Aizen) and the fact Orihime was caught.
Bleach is basically One Piece if it never went through on all of the build up of how evil the Celestial Dragons/rich elites were and how corrupt the Marines were. It’s full of Imperial Japan apologia, Mayuri is the Bleach version of Shirō Ishii and an allegory for Unit 731.
A lot of the reason why none of his crimes get addressed is because as far as soul society is concerned, a lot of those things aren’t crimes. They are literal gods of death, so nobody is going to bat an eye if somebody starts mowing down regular souls. Keep in mind, Kenpachi was a happy go Lucky murderer before he joined the army
Honestly I think mayuri should've been a war power and the one of the first to die in the tybw. Like why wouldn't they target the person who was torturing their people for hundreds of years
Having Nemu succeed him would have been cool, especially if she was worse than he was, or even worse if she became Captain of Squad 4 and there was a rivalry.
@@fuzemurcury3082 Okay cool. But that just made the rest of Quincy look like a bunch of idiots for not going after the person and institution that could develop counter measures to their tactics for war. Especially when they were watching the Shinigami for centuries. Soldat: Hey, should we go after that clown looking guy who can create countermeasures to our abilities and studied our kin to death? Soldat: Naw it's all good probably.
Pretty good video! I actually enjoy Mayuri, because I enjoy the personality and total bullshit he brings to his fights, tho tbf ig that's in part because of how boring a lot of other stuff in those longer fight gaunlet sections are lol At the same time, yeah, it's pretty funny his introduction is him doing all to be the heinous villain stuff imaginable, he doesn't change, but everyone is... Just chill with him for some reason. Ngl, I think part of it is just how neglected a lot of the other "main" characters like Uryu can get. Byakuya opposes Ichigo, and actually has a beliable arc, yet Uryu just has to deal with it ig lmao I really enjoy the changes ya suggested. Idk what my suggestion would be to somehow make antithesis beat him, just because all the bullshit Mayuri pulls out of his ass lol Keep up the good work! Also LOL, love that comment in 12:10
Everybody is chill with it because the Soul Society is corrupt and evil. It doesn't matter how evil you are as long as your useful they don't care. The Soul Society has never been good and never will be good.
Bleach seemed adult in general so I somehow legit didn’t notice the weird implications of the guy 1) cuz I watched ninja gaiden so “inappropriate” was hard to judge and 2) missing the entire beginning of the manga somehow made me not now that’s his daughter until literally today
Tbh I think this is a great analysis but you need to understand the world mayuri lives in and its rules. Why would the soul society or the plot for that matter punish him for doing something the higher ups and vast majority of the seritei agree with. The Quincy cleansing while horrid in a real world sense is perfectly fine in their world because bleach doesn’t have the same moral system as us. Honestly I think Juno could’ve done a better job showing the difference between the morals of different characters cuz a lot of bleach fans have this idea the SR are good. They’re amoral and they exist to serve the purpose of protecting and guiding souls that’s the only commonality between all SR morally. Again this is due to plot ichigo doesn’t meet many SR that have overtly extremist views and are tipped more towards what we’d say is evil but in reality most of the higher ups are what we’d consider evil. Yhwach said himself that the old soul society was much crueler and more evil than now because of the younger SR being kinder. So again why would mayuri be punished for his worldview in a world where multiple worldviews are acknowledged. It’s like how some people think aizens goal was understandable but his means of achieving it was screwed up. Even urahara can be considered evil under a certain lens, he groomed a 15 year old boy to fight and grow stronger enough to become a new soul king and he was willing to let it happen. Bleach is all about showcasing multiple ideals, i can’t really expect kubo to flesh out every single one
Personally he's in my top 3 favorite characters. His speach about perfection was ironically, perfect 👌. Oh and lets not foget his contributions in the TYBW
I definitely agree with you. I've noticed that Mayuri is very popular, and that Kubo himself seems to like him a lot, but I lost interest in him after the Soul Society arc. Feels like his character arc and role in the story changed non-organically and suddenly. Let me take the opportunity to get this off my chest as well, I really dislike his arrancar arc design. His SS design was just so good and eerie, the pharaoh thing just looks stupid and cosplay-y.
"Mayuri is my least favorite character in all of Bleach. Not just due to his detestable personality, but also because of how he is handled and framed in the narrative, which to me ruins the message of the story as a whole." Oh yeah, the story's message that talk about how the Gotei 13 and the SS in general are selfish Machiavellians who look out for their own interests no matter the damage they cause, and how the manga and novels regularly criticizes this by bringing up that the SS has corrupt organizations, a sick nobility, and laws that only perpetuate injustices; who would have believed that a character like Mayuri Kurotsuchi would be so accepted in this type of society? Incredible.
Let’s not forget he was locked away in Kísūké’s prison area til he let him out with the promise that if he dies he gets to be head of Squad 12 R&D… If you remove his character you kill so much of the moral ambiguity and nuance to the morality of the soul society… You also didn’t consider the idea she was grown the same as his Bánkaî & is potentially similar to a mod soul or even Yáchīrū of squad 11… & he even puts that spy tech into uryu… then spends time inventing tech to imitate Quincy techniques based around Uryu’s powers… I think it’s OBVIOUS that he is messing with an assumed enemy when Uryu is fighting the soul society as functionally last living proper practical Quincy… so he really plays up all his work against his people before basically testing how close he can get to killing him… had to regenerate most of his body afterwards & nemu gives the antidote… I imagine the squad members he blows up are probably fake imitations made to trick people… he’s probably testing them on the people who won’t offer a reasonable fight… As for crimes it’s not clear he ever commits any actual crimes as much as necessary actions which are upsetting but needed for whatever scientific stances… Also just the idea that he’s abusing someone that may be the spirit of his sword, does add more context & understanding to his own behaviour… But it’s easy to make assumptions etc. Mayuri is never characterised as a good guy.. he’s always unusual and disturbed… missing his earlobes even… how did that happen? I bet he wasn’t even allowed to put a sad backstory in there beyond him being locked in maggots nest alone… Calling it a “children’s comic” does feel a bit silly when it’s one of the more adult leaning stories in weekly young boys jump… but I wish there weren’t such extreme expectations of characters from you man! I feel like you’re upset that he isn’t an easily defined good guy or bad guy for an A.I. To decide how to feel about, rather than actually spending time to consider the nuance & layers & perspective from him, his associates, his victims, his superiors, his enemies… he’s such an integral character to adding important perspective and emotional weight to every scene he’s in… I’m sad I don’t know all the details of his evils or any of what goods he could’ve done in his life without even caring… but that’s part of what makes his detachment from characters with more reasonable emotions & opinions hold so much depth & mystery… If he weren’t such a great character, you wouldn’t be this upset about stuff you may have only imagined him doing! But I think it’s also amazing he grabs Uryu’s grandpa’s head’s photo to mess with him and acts like it’s coincidence and it was the last Quincy he ever messed with “and he was crying out for whatever his name was” - it feels So Clear he’s just trying to rile up uryu to see if he’ll try any fancy Quincy stuff he doesn’t already know or if he’s emotional or pried or Completely Oblivious to history of his people… which even Uryu said he thought the soul reapers were right to ichigo… But Mayuri is the First soul reaper that Really creates the sense that Quincies have been the enemy & he might have even shown him his dead grandpa so he understands that this was Not how expected to see the Quincy that his grandpa died protecting dying in some teenage invasion of the soul society… I think there’s a Lot More nuance and depth to his character which is intentionally obscured by his words and appearance… I won’t pretend to understand the guy but I know definitely that It’s way too soon to judge him… if you knew about the thousand year blood war coming, would you react well to a Quincy invader that you know is grandson of the last Quincy you found? & I think humans shouldn’t be judging people on a higher path… (only half joking… it’d be scary to be in dévà path with Mayuri doing weird stuff…) But interesting ideas your sharing… But I’m not shocked by him acting like a villain to teenage descendant of the spirit Nazis… you know? : D I mean it’s still nasty but… with his tech he could’ve created that from an illusion or something… or just been a jerk or a guy trying to save the last Quincy from his peers… if nemu was just his sword would you be so upset? I know some people don’t care about Lt. Yáchīrū disappearing cause she’s a sword spirit, but the character is their own being… Nèmū feels like a female reflection of Mayuri in many ways… but without all the missing parts… he never makes new earlobes for himself… but he will change makeup and hair & all the headwear etc. I’ve not thought This Much about the “Kūrōtsūchí family” in maybe years? : D Cheers for that!
I really hate how kubo made the Quincys evil just for the sake of making soul reapers look good it destroyed the Quincy race and what's worse not a single Quincy ever talk about what Mayuri ever did kubo failed in writing the Quincys they didn't deserve this level of bad writing and of course Mayuri is kubo favorite character so no matter what evil and disgusting things he does it's always forgiven he should be dead but we know kubo will never kill that disgusting guy
I understand the problems a new reader can have with mayuri ... but 6 minutes in the video and i can already see a problem with the premise What does soul society stand for ? To save humans ? Nooo hell no To keep balance of the 3 worlds thats it The entire history of soul reapera is filled with deceit and piles of bodies Aizen and Tokinada had a point for why the did what they did as "villains" Mayuri was in isolation in prison for a reason ,central 46 tolerates his bullshit because he is effective. And while at first him having a picture of uryu's grandfather seems weird ... we are talking about a man that replaced all of his organs in his body prior to fighting a espada because he spied on ishida fighting him ... i really think dude has cameras everywhere and just pulled out against uryu for a reason Also him experimenting on quincy isnt necesarily a bad thing considering what they were doing ... again balance HAS TO BE KEEPT Up until ichigo and his group came along the gotei werent really the good guys ,Mayuri just does it out in the open and even he changes a bit do to ichigo and the rest The one thing i admit is a bit inconsistent is his mindset on nemu
Mayuri getting away with his evil is part of the deeper plot of Soul Society itself. The Gotei began as a gang of murderous thugs, and even though they cleaned up their act, they still did evil things. Ichibe and the noble families dismembered the Soul King, and Ichibe was planning to use Ichigo as a replacement Soul King. Urahara, despite being one of the "good guys," let Mayuri out of prison in the first place knowing how dangerous he was. Even when Mayuri killed all of the people in the rukongi to balance out the souls at the start of TYBW, nobody really cared because it was seen as a sacrifice for the greater good. The only reason we see Soul Society as good is because they fight against people who are worse than them, but even then, Aizen, Ginjo, and Yhwach had their reasons for doing what they did, just like Soul Society, but their evil is made more obvious. I'm not defending Mayuri, but you have to understand that there's a reason he hasn't been punished. His usefulness outweighs any damage he may cause. I hope that the Hell arc will explore the evils of Soul Society more, because so far it has just been a subtle thing in the background, and it will be the perfect opportunity to see consequences for what happened in the past.
Mayuri is an odd case of Kubo opting to reuse a character for an entirely different role instead of replacing them with a more appropriate one. It's easy to imagine the soul society arc having a captain or vice captain filling the abhorrent Mayuri's role who is slain by Uryu, and another character promoted to be the eccentric Mayuri that appears in the next arc.
Honestly this definitely reminded me of how much of a piece of shit Mayuri is. It's hard to tell when some things are left slightly up to interpretation, like his strange perversions which are played off as jokes, but either way he definitely deserved some comeuppance. He should have died in the TYBW and Uryu should've played a part in it. Though I find him to be a fun character in some ways with how heinous he is, at the same time from a more logical and moral lens, he is a degenerate villain who seems unacknowledged by his peers, most of which are pretty moral characters.
Most of his peers are also criminals. This video only works off the assumption that mayuri is the sole source of corruption in soul society. Yama, unohana, kenpachi soifon, ichibe, aisen, gin, tosen, nemaya and even urahara have committed acts on a similar level if not worse than mayuri. Mayuri is simply a representation of everything wrong with the status quo in their world. Mayuri just is an easy person to focus on because kubo explicitly shows us plenty of his wrongdoings while the others evil deeds are within the subtext.
Since when are the SS the good guys again ? Do not confuse "the least evil" with goodness. The only good guys of the show are the Ichigo gang. The rest are heavely grey at best.
Who’s here after the recent anime episode that showed all of the bad writing with Mayuri in full force? >Please feel sorry for the child abusing asshole Shiro Ishii ghost, his abused stockholm syndrome daughter just died to Crazy Hand and turns out he did care for his daughter as an successful science experiment as proof that he's better than his predecessor who couldn't give a rats ass about his one sided rivalry with him. Kubo really tried to go abuser and Unit 731 apologist huh? Mayuri is the peak of Kubo's piss-poor writing and characterization, his relationship with Nemu is the most forced shit I've seen in forever and the anime did jack shit to change that. Just add some vocals when he's despairing and normies will fall for it, not all of them thankfully, some are simply not that stupid.
I think a lot of these issues actually go to show how little the story likes uryu. i think him never getting justice shows how unfair the world of bleach is to him. He's my favorite character and it hurts to see but it makes sense. He's the last quincy, the last of a race killed in such unforgiving ways. I think he himself knows he cant get justice, in my heart I like to think that offscreen, uryu accepted that he will never get justice for what mayuri and the soul society did. It's like giving up. But I know thats probably not what kubo intended and he probably just forgot, and ngl, i think he forgot uryu was a main character until the last arc.
Mayuri is not responsible for the entire Quincy race being erased, the original Gotei 13 did that. Mayuri only experimented on a couple of the remaining Quincies that didn't die during the !st war. Also it is a big chance that Mayuri was ordered to experiment on them. I am aware that Mayuri is very sadistic and would have done it regardless. Soul Society is a very harsh & gruesome place, they are not the good guys. In my opinion Bleach is a great evil vs evil story.
I swear these comments are alarming, it’s like you lot don’t understand Bleach or the characters. You lot should just stick to spoon fed mangas like One Piece or something. 😂
I mean Mayuri fits to how the soul society used to be run by Yamamoto who was way worse with burning then using people for physiological damage. Major problem was Mayuri is in the shadow of kisuke as a character and juha acknowledging Mayuri would destory that as he was going to show why nemu is his greatest creation the Quincy office Mayuri for destorying the lesser or traitor Quincy makes sense they don't care Quincy don't care for any Quincy that get infected by hollow so they honestly probably could thank Mayuri in their own tested way. Plus by captains. Mayuri is not the worst in the current(shinigami arc) list. 1 4 11 are Yama retsu and kenpachi. Full on criminals. That's without mentioning tosem gin and aizen defecting making for another 3 so 6 captains not connected to Mayuri is half the gotei being irredeemable by their law standard. But still Mayuri was way better handled than orochimaru in Naruto
Regarding the Arrancar arc "r//e", as a kid, I never understood what that was. I just figured Mayuri was blowing into her mouth like she's a deflated balloon.
There is no problem with Mayuri, the problem is your perspective of Soul Society as a whole. Soul Society never cared about ethics, they only cared about keeping the balance of souls/hollows in check and if the ends justify the means then who cares who gets hurt. Remember Squad 0's plan to turn Ichigo into the new Soul King just in case if the og Soul King died and the world's started collapsing. Because again in Soul Society; the ends justify the means. BLEACH has many different themes going on with different characters, not just Ichigo's journey is important. Also characters like Byakuya will most likely never agree with Mayuri and his actions, but Byakuya will still work with Mayuri for the sake of the Soul Society regardless of his personal feelings and disgust for Mayuri. A small argument even accord between Byakuya and Mayuri during TYBW cour 2 about some of Soul Society's ethics, ending in a disagreement between the two but still having to work together.
Love your video bro. I also love how all of what your saying is LOST on Mayuri fans. You said Mayuri saying Nemuri Nanago is cute. But it translates literally to whats in the parentheses. Sleeping Number 7. So hes even more of a piece of shit for not giving his. Daughter a real name.
I don't agree with your tybw section cause its not framing it like he changed, he said that cause the lieutenants were asking him on why kensei and rose are zombified and he replied to them with that in a sarcastic/ mocking tone he didn't sound like he was changing
You mean to tell me that in a different world, an evil man who did horrible things is allowed to live and is employed by the government because he is useful? No way! This would never happen in the real world! To those who don't get it, this is sarcasm.
REAL CLOWN HATING HOURS LETS GO i adore bleach. I mean obviously. But yeah mayuri drags the entire story down. Why couldn’t he have been one of the traitors that joined aizen gin and tosen? That would have fixed all these problems AND given Uryu something to do/strive for. Hell ditch the pink haired espada fight and have uryu and nemu team up and kill mayuri. That would have kicked ass
...Damn this would have been based actually, Uryu & Nemu team up against her abuser and the murderer of his grandfather would have been catharthic as hel.
Yes let's burn Maruyi at the stake for getting all the data he wanted on the enemy that the soul society went to war against 1000 years ago and were the final villains that almost destroyed the balance of three worlds. Yea you need more to convince me. Why not crucify Ichigo for burying Ginjo too despite what he did. Why not slander Kyoraku for working with Aizen after all that happened. Even thought Shinigami live for thousands of years and holding a grudge for long would do absolutely nothing.
I like the fight even more now against the big Hand. Its so fucked up I love it. Mayuri is like a drunk pathetic father who beats his kid in a drunken rage but then one very few moments regreats it. But newer hrows out of it. Mayuri is easiely my favourit bleach charakter.
You did get a lot of things right, but a lot wrong, why did make you think the soul society is a good place with good people? the Soul socierty was created with the killing and dismemberment of a ''mercyful god'' to impose a status quo that they think it would be better for them to rule as powerful and corrupted royal families that don't care about the well being of anyone. and the original capitains were just massive serial killers, without remorse, even after being a captian Unohana was killing a lot of people Rukongai beucase she wanted a good fight, the central 46 is faceless judgment hall to keep things in control, so theres no chance anyone can flip the status quo or endanger the royal families. They sented captains and lieutenants to karakura town in the lost agent arc in case Ichigo did not allie with them, he would be killed. Most people, even capitains dont know the full extend of the past and wrong dids of the soul society, but does who know, still enforce the rules mnost of the time, biggest exemple is Urahara and Shunsui. Ichibei planned to use Ichigo corpse as the pillar to keep the 3 world from collpasing, just as the original 5 royal famillies did to the Soul King. Also 44:57, this was already done, Yhwach mocks Yamamoto and the soul society before finishing the old man, you can check that in the episode 6 or 7 from the tybw anime, and about Shunsui and aizen, he said, and you can see in his fights, if he is going to fight he is gonna use every dirt tatics to win. Its not hard to put everything in place, why should they (wither the head captain or the royal families) put down Mayuri? He is extremely powerful ally that doenst seem to change sides anytime soon, and gives the soul society new ways to approach and deal with enemies, he is a must for everyone that want to keep things rolling as they as have. The sistem is broken to its core, Mayuri is not even the biggest offender of the rules that they work by, he is not the cause, but the symptom of something that havent change for the most part since the start
he should be treated different, and with much less comedic scenes and with a more respect and tension with Uryu, and the quincies that he killed should be a bigger point in his fights in the tybw and yeah, Nemu story with Mayuri should have a little more tweaks and changes so it can be seen less like a Epstein situation. But for the rest, there isnt nothing wrong story wise or theme wise with mayuri having such a posicion of power and not being punish for his crimes
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Mayuri was one of the biggest if not the biggest reason they won the thousand year blood war arc, the reason he's around, and the reason he gets away with shit, is because he's needed, and not to mention we are told from the start that the soul society isn't above doing evil acts, Yamamoto was responsible for lots of deaths of innocent people, and he was the leader for thousands of years, Urahara was in charge of a prison full of innocent people, and seemed to be fine with it for the most part, there's LOTS of shady shit that happens in the soul society, and that's something TOLD and SHOWN to us at the very start, and you have an issue with Mayuri? then you should have an issue with the entire soul society as a whole, I mean look at Ichibei, he's in a very high position, basically second highest to the soul king himself, and we know damn well that Ichibei is likely responsible for some of the most evil acts, at least with Mayuri he's not really made out to be a good person, we know how evil and awful he is, just because there are funny or badass moments involving him doesn't mean the creator of the series is trying to make us like him as a person, you can make an evil character likeable as a character and not as a person, Homelander is a great example of that, a truly disgusting awful person, yet he gets plenty of funny moments or moments where he gets to be scary or badass, but that's not there to make us like him as a person, and it doesn't make him a bad character, so in short, Mayuri is not the worst bleach character, far from it, Chad is worse than him, because at least Mayuri is relevant, poor Chad is the Krillin of Bleach, a complete joke, and made to look weak and pathetic at every turn, someone who was once useful and a big part of the cast, so make a video about how Bleach likes to make the old cast useless apart from Ichigo and sorta Uryu, Dragon ball does it, Naruto does it, and it's annoying
bleach is a series that changes directions, is rushed down one path and slowed when it changes directions. the characters are crude shells which later got filled out. the entire series is an asspull that got made up as he went along. im amazed it lasted this long.
The problem with this video is Mayuri is called out for his actions. Due to the circumstances he's in he isn't held legally responsible until after Aizens defeat as Aizen killed Bleachs world Leaders and Jurisdictional System to take over the shinigami subvertingly. He is held responsible for thr murder of Squad mates haphazardly and the murder of thousands of souls in the Rukon Districts. However he wasn't arrested or legally held responsible due to both instances happening during War times. With the Ryoka incident the Ryoka were held as capital threats due to the death of Aizen which there was a kill on sight order. Even the use of Bankai was permitted. Mayuri use of his subordinates which he was charged with was deemed a casualty of War since they died trying to kill the invaders. After murdering 1000s in the Rukon Districts 70+ he was held accountable by Yamamoto and Central 46 but due to the threat it posed he beat the charges. Even the murder of the Quincy was a order from 46, Mayuri doesn't have the pull to just order the extinction of Quincies, he just tested on their souls when they arrived with was allowed by Central 46, a corrupt system. As for Nemu, she's a Gigai. She wasn't supposed to have free will. She was looked at as a failure due to it so Mayuri treats her as a tool. As for the r*pe bit, it was never stated nor shown to be the cause. Only suggested Mayuri was touching her body in front of them and they got embarrassed. Now this could be simple removal of clothes to treat her like they do in hospitals or something potentially more obscene. Renji and Uryu are characters who get embarrassed easily and Mayuri doesn't seem to think it was terrible but he's questionable. You can take the extreme and call it r*pe but keep in mind her Organs were drained and crush. Mayuri is someone who used Needles primarily to cure or infect his victims. He also has ooze which heals him, for all we know he rubbed a healing ooze on her or injected needle shots in certain areas which would be embarrassing to be viewed by 2 young adults. I feel like there's 2 ways to view the events. Regardless Mayuri is never painted as a good person, not once. He helps the heros but subjects them to questionably painful medication. he allows crimes to happen without care due to them not interesting him. In TYBW he almost gets the Gotei killed a few times to ignore Kisuke another morally questionable character from having points he haven't reached yet. Mayuris introduction to the Bleach lore being in the Maggots Nest for unknown reasons. He's a bad person, he only regrets treating Nemu poorly because she displays free will at her death which is his sign that he poorly treated his only Accomplishment over Kisuke Urahada. Shitty reasoning sure but Mayuri is a selfish being, with several depictions of Satan over Mayuris character. Kubo knows Mayuri is evil, he just also helps the Society that let's him be evil
Also I'd like to note Bleach isn't for kids, it's for young Adult and Adults. If it was for kid itd be in Toonami, but Bleach was on Adult Swim for a reason. This video paints Bleach far worst than it actually was.
@AbstractTraitorHero It's a massive portion of anime viewers are in the west, particularly America, which is why I bring it up. It's also the easiest distinction to make for the difference between kids Shonen and Teen Shonen. Bleach was very mature despite being a Shonen. There's several Shonen Manga which are also too mature for mere kids such as Tokyo Ghoul and Attack on Titan. They're tailored towards young adults and Adults despite being Shonen anime. Hell, Tokyo Ghoul has a sex scene. You can't just say it's a kids' anime because it's Shonen.
@@nickpickxd2138 Bleach actually IS for children & teenagers, it's published by Shonen Jump & was in Shonen Jump which main market is kids & teenagers factually. It being a shonen is true, but it's still marketed & made for teenagers/kids. Japanese youth are seen differently then in America & what is acceptable for them, Tokyo Ghoul is also not a shonen, but a Seinin & that's fairly obvious if you read it.
@AbstractTraitorHero Tokyo Ghoul is on Shonen Jumps official App. This is my point, Shonen Jump markets towards kid and teens but it's impossible to be for both, Bleach, Tokyo Ghoul, JJK aren't meant for 11-12 year olds like Narutos part one or One Piece, it's catering to 16-19 yr olds. And you're right Japanese kids are more mature than American kids, but it doesn't mean their media is entirely changed. There's a reason why Conan The Detective is still running, or Sazae-san is still making episodes. Bleach is clearly for Teens and young adults. Just like Tokyo Ghoul. Both Shonen.
Mayuri is the literal personification of scientific curiosity. Mad scientist, sadistic, unhinged, egomaniacal, and he manages to steal every scene just as well as Zaraki or hollow ichigo. Bleach would be severely lacking if it didn't have him, it adds another layer to the corruption of soul society entirely. They were the first enemy after the hollows afterall, they're all guided by what we're meant to see as a different set of guidelines of "by any means necessary" that any human would be taken aback by. Then you see the end of the Fullbring filler where they mention how much Ichigo has changed them and their ways where even yamamoto helped him restore his powers. Mayuri is easily one of the consistently top 5 characters, and any attempt trying to justify saying the opposite is just categorically incorrect.
Bleach has a lot of lore, it's just not explored much in the manga. The light novels give a lot of new information on the worldbuilding and history of the different realms and characters.
Mayuri has definitely had plenty of people call for his death in TYBW. As justified as it would be, there is something to be said about not defaulting to "bad people should just die because they were bad" as the solution to dealing with him. Mayuri is hardly the only criminal who has done heinous acts active in the Soul Society anyway. I mean, Kenpachi is right there and might actually have a higher body count, or did we just forget that pile of corpses? And the entire Stealth Force is just...Kind of messed up. Soul Society is deeply flawed. So deeply in fact that both Aizen and Yhwach feel justified in genocide against Shinigami. Trying to fix the Soul Society isn't anywhere as simple as draining some conceived swamp. I don't know about calling Bleach a "manga for kids". This goes back to the whole "tits and ass are too much but blood and guts is okay" trend a lot of media and critics are like. Pernida crushes people into balls and their bones and organs pop out, I'm not bothered by a lot of skin at that point. However, Nemu is more complicated than that. Here's a thought, she's a robot. Is Mayuri worse for abusing an android or thinking of an android as his daughter? Nemu may be more than the sum of her parts, but she's not exactly an abused human being with something akin to Stockholm syndrome either. She's just programmed. Here's one more thing to point out, the Quincy literally deny Hollows the afterlife with their arrows. Think of all those people Mayuri killed, Uryu alone has murdered thousands more just by helping Ichigo, and no one bats an eye. Sure the hollows themselves are evil, but their souls are purified and go to heaven unless they were also evil in life, and I highly doubt Uryu has conveniently taken out only hollows destined for Hell. This isn't to defend Mayuri nor damn Quincies, but almost everything in Bleach is built on grey, shifting sand. I'd go as far as to say it reflects present day societies, in a way.
Couldn't agree more on every single point. I have my problems with Bleach, but most of them I can joke about, while Mayuri is just this huge elephant in the room. Like, wtf, Kubo. Something happened to Kubo after Soul Society. Not only his abilities as a writer have taken a serious regress, but the case of Mayuri shows that maybe the same happened to his outlook on some stuff. On the video itself, really good job, though you repeated some stuff a bit much. Good jokes, too. And I'm totally here for more Bleach content.
Guessing you keep you bible close to your chest. All jokes aside it goes to show how good of a character he is that you despise him lol but ey the quincy were the enemy in the begining of the story and when it comes to science well.... it speaks for itself. Thats your own opinion. They arent telling you mayuri is a good guy. Not once did i see that. Hes indifferent thats all.... anything for the pursuit of knowledge
Mayuri is the best Bleach character. He’d never do anything unsuitable for family viewing.
Never in a million years!
Lmao even actual surgery videos for learning purposes aren’t “safe for family viewing”
I agree, he is dark but no darker than real life. He embodied the ideas of the pursuit of knowledge at all cost and the acting for the greater good even if it means doing evil. He fits in perfectly with the rest of the shinigami. Violent, calculated, cold, ruthless A perfect picture of death
That's a great way to put it
Mayuri is the peak of Kubo's piss-poor writing and characterization, his relationship with Nemu is the most forced shit I've seen in forever and the anime did jack shit to change that. Just add some vocals when he's despairing and normies will fall for it, not all of them thankfully, some are simply not that stupid.
You can talk about “themes” but story wise the Soul Society was never a benevolent organization, in fact it’s very foundation is seen has a terrible act of dismemberment and use of the body of deity has its very foundation, the ends justify the means is ingrained in the Soul Society and Maiyuri represents that very facet, he’s crazy but he’s a asset so he’s tolerated, I mean Zaraki killed countless people for the thrill of battle but that’s ok because that’s different optics then what Mayuri does, the point is Shinigami aren’t the classic good guys, they have their own status quo and willing to do anything to maintain it.
Even unohana used to go to rukongai to kill and fight lmao , before meeting zaraki , I don't know what he was expecting from people who are borderline criminals or raised by criminals
@@josephobi3486 “well hes he does currently to this day experiment on people. Have you considered that his coworkers used to do equally bad things hundreds of years ago but not currently?”
Urahara also created the hogyoku so he also either took advantage or harmed a lot of souls. The Soul Society is a different world from our own what's acceptable and what is not is different.
Exactly the point because the other point is literally the end of all worlds.
Yamamoto is most likely a genocider as well.
I can hardly say any captain is actually good. Even Ukitake.
The only thing i think it is bad on the story is Kubo not making Ishida wanting to kill Mayuri even if they are in the 200 mile radius. Even more TYBW that he should take the chance
Good convos guys
Finding out that Mayuri uses some kind of sciency bs (released gas?) to reduce threat responses in those around him and enhance acceptance/loyalty towards him would be a great plot twist. Nemu being so mindlessly loyal towards him due to long-term exposure would be explained, similar to the other soul society captains not adressing his evil.
It would allow him to become the villain he so clearly is without breaking internal consistency through previous arcs.
Until Urahara catches on
@@justinrivera1618he’s probably aware and doesn’t care
When mayuri was introduced, it was done to show how corrupt and broken of a system soul society
But once that arc and its point were done, I expected them to get rid of mayuri instead of keeping him and endorsing that system they fought against
I'm pretty sure it's hinted at in the later arcs that Soul Society still has a pretty broken and corrupt system, albeit not as much as before. So I don't see why they would get rid of Mayuri that early on if he's still technically of use to them.
"Endorsing that system they fought against"
I am lost here. When did the dynamic of the soul society change? What arc did they change? I'd argue they did things to actively show they haven't changed throughout most of the series imo.
@@DulKyoujiAnime that's what I'm wondering
@playswithsquirrels4630 true, but by the end of it all, I'd expect him to not be there
@DulKyoujiAnime hmm good point, then I guess the issue is that soul society still hadn't changed and less so it being a pure mayuri problem
I’m about to be Saul Goodman for a black face enthusiast:
I would agree with much of this video if you hadn’t removed 90% of the context involved.
Mayuri as a character is meant to show the dark side of the soul society that cannot be removed. Specifically the fact that most of the Captains were criminals or were brought up by criminals. Unohana is criminal, Yamamoto was a demon allegedly, and most of the captains were okay with executing Rukia. The Soul Society was cooked from the ground up. So calling out Mayuri and wondering why they’re okay with a criminal makes very little sense.
Another thing is that the Quincy were mostly killed by Ywach. Not the soul reapers. In fact the soul reapers tried for years to get them to reconsider killing hollows with their method. A method that actively ruined the flow of souls. This method is mentioned very early on series prior to the last arc.
Lastly the way Nemu is treated is disgusting. However you mentioned several times that she is doll. Which doesn’t support the sympathetic narrative you wish to convey. Also much of that abuse is correctly characterized as evil. Even when it’s in a comedic scene. You very rarely get characters that don’t question Mayuri’s treatment of Nemu. Also in the diddler scene when he revives Nemu. It’s pretty clear that what’s happening is not anything close to Drake activity. Though it does make Uryu look like an idiot.
While I do question Mayuri calling Nemu his “daughter” is more accurate to call her his creation. Especially since other characters in Bleach that have done similar things aren’t going around calling their creations their “kids”.
Overall your video seems to lack a lot of the context surrounding Mayuri. Which is evident since you claim he becomes an anti hero. Bro never even approached reluctant hero status. He is unanimously a villain. Whats funny is that there reason why Nemu’s death at the end of the series was so traffic was that it was only then that he realized what she meant to him. Which is pitiful not aspirational.
Im seeing Saul but no Goodman
Because it doesn’t change how most of the current captains very much don’t have that criminal background, your two examples are extremely old and extremely reformed.
And I mean the Nemu is effectively a living breathing human that even has agency. She’s cognizant and aware. Anything done to her is still a crime
Mayuri has dine unforgivable things and its never covered
@@De_La_Evo arent that what he said? he almost said "this bitch called mayuri is the living concept of evil", and you said(in my vision) "the living concept of evil is this bitch called mayuri"
@@De_La_Evo Yeah, so reformed none of them had any issue executing Rukia for something that truly wasn't that big of a deal? Also, not sure where you got the idea that Yamamoto was ever "reformed". He murdered to get what he wanted, and then when he more-or-less got what he wanted he chilled out (a little) until something threatened that. Not even sure you can call Unohana "reformed" either. If someone is a bloodthirsty murderer and you simply tuck that away and hide it, you're not "reformed". It's never mentioned in the story if she was just forced to keep her "true self" under control or if she did truly change to some extent, so you're making a lot of assumptions. Plus, she gave out signs of bloodlust several times throughout the story with something so little as "friendly" smile, something that shouldn't be detectable by people that don't know her history unless she truly was exuding said bloodlust. Sounds a lot more like her trying to suppress her "true self" than legitimately being reformed.
Plus, did everyone miss the OBVIOUS theme in the story that shows that Soul Society and the Gotei as a whole are not good people or even the "good people" of the story? The story and it's factions were blatantly painted in shades of gray. That's not to say that some or most of the captains and everyone under them aren't good, but Yamamoto and everyone above him have done atrocious things to get where they are and have never once faced any sort of punishment for it (unless you consider Yamamoto's demise a super delayed punishment). Yamamoto was an awful person, but he got stuff done and made massive progress for Soul Society, THAT'S why he wasn't eventually punished. Mayuri is also a terrible being but, much like Yamamoto, he gets shit done and is the sole reason that several very tough foes get thwarted. He done very important things that have saved many people, all with the worst intentions in mind the entire time. Does he get shit done? Absolutely. Does anyone actually trust him? I think it's made obvious that they don't. Is he a war crime given humanoid form? Absolutely, don't think anyone is arguing against that.
The problem is, applying real life "laws" to Soul Society is absolutely wild. The laws of an imaginary afterlife world in an anime that has bashed into our heads multiple times that they don't share humanity's values (or laws) cannot be compared to actual human law. Also comparing Nemu to a human... once again, shows lack of understanding of the world of Bleach as a whole. She's a creation. That's it. She's viewed as such by everyone in the Gotei. What you think she is because of your preconceived notions of what a "human" is do not matter because that's not how Soul Society views it. Plus, the Gotei in general don't think a whole lot of human beings in the first place... to make an argument that things done to her should be a "crime" (when we saw first hand in the Soul Society arc that Captains have, many times, killed the "nobody" Soul Reapers from other divisions without so much as a slap on the wrist) makes zero sense within the confines of the story.
@@sarkaztik3228 this is an insufferable comment
Yes you are so very enlightened by implying that these characters are so very grey-scaled and actually super neutral and there are no basic laws of humane conduct anyone should need to follow and morality means nothing bleedegh
Shush, Yes obviously Yamamoto and Unohana changed because clearly one like you pointed out mellowed out and grew from clearly morally black to a more complex human, Unohana is also different as although she hid things I think the story makes it clear she had a genuine relationship with Isane old Unohana would *never* consider
Furthermore. You can’t hide behind moral relativism because as you partially put forward those point of views are completely asinine. I don’t care how the soul society views Mayuri and Nemu because clearly most of them are capable of completely human emotion and empathy which would lead any living breathing thing that even thinks 25% like a human to disavow everything Mayuri does.
Point out literally any captain thats not from the first band of literal criminals, that even comes *close* to the morally reprehensible nature of Mayuri. He’s not the rule, he’s undoubtedly the exception and is very much presented as such from beginning to end.
Though Mayuri’s character evolved and expanded it’s odd (or should be odd) to even the biggest if Bleach fans that this is so unexploredely side-stepped by the story. Like others mentioned Byakuya had a believable change, Soi Fon did, Mayuri had no perspective shift during SS nor any excuse or twist (like Sajin or Gin respectively) to recontextualize his actions.
Claiming Uryu and several others would be just “okay” with coexisting with an ally that has done worse things then most of the villain cast is 100% a plot oversight in my eyes. And lets make this clear this isn’t a legal issue and Soul Reapers aren’t aliens who are completely unaware of moral standards. So it’s either all characters are actively condemnable for allowing Mr. MK Ultra to run around or it’s a plot convenience. I choose to believe the ladder because I think very obviously the Soul Society is subtly and not so subtly shown as an unequal humanitarian nightmare that is headed by a corrupt hierarchy in which everything needs massive overhauls.
@@De_La_Evo "Nemu is effectively a living breathing human that even has agency. She’s cognizant and aware. Anything done to her is still a crime" by whom? First off he made her and its his creation no one else is there to claim they know more than him if the central 46 (whom are the justice department and are corrupt) doesn't say anything then he is free to do what he wants as long it doesn't interfere with the laws in SS. Even Byakuya said he doesn't agree with mayuri's moral of how he does stuff but Mayuri is fighting for helping out the living world and SS so there is more "grey" areas to him. Like the reason why they had to eliminate the 28,000 citizens of rukongai was to "correct" the soul balance distribution by the wandenreich, yes its horrible but its what was needed and is why it was hidden from the rest. If nothing was done then basically the worlds would have collapsed, so Mayuri is the unsung hero in this despite his methods is not the most moral one. Also he does change a bit as a character later and depending on what hell arc does there is a lot of opportunity to go deeper or if the TYBW anime delves more in to his character.
Mayuri is a representation of the unchangeable evil of the soul society. Dude is just kept around because hes too useful.
Ashijogi Jizo. It represents a mockery of divine creation and that's why it looks twisted.
Nemu and her death signifies Mayuri's failures and his abuses. She is a product of his evil.
Kubo doesn't like scientists so that's why all the science characters are perverted and evil in some way.
nemu wasn’t a failure, she was actually “perfect” to mayuri when she acted on her own free will because mayuri liked imperfection and her becoming more human and not a robot is the cause of that imperfection. Mayuri didn’t know what he had in his hands until the end. But yes he is a sick fuck
Damn fr? Major respect lost for kubo if that's true. Did he say that in an interview or something? How can someone born in a hospital dislike scientists as a whole to such a degree, like you literally owe your life to their discoveries and hard work. Also the hypocrisy of disliking them to the point of portraying them as horrible perverts despite making use of their work your entire life to enrich it beyond what you alone could achieve. Also depicting scientists as perverts cus you dislike them despite being someone who really loves drawing undegrade girls with giant titties in revealing outfits(tybw orihime has to be a crime of some sort)
@@o0ugi860 If you know anything about what japanese scientists did in WW2 then you'd know why scientists have a bad reputation. Also eugenics scientists, In Mayuri's strive to manipulate and create life he's basically one.
@@o0ugi860 mayuri is literally Kubo’s fav character
@@o0ugi860Mayuri is Kubo's favorite character
Your entire problem stems from an assumption that the Soul Society is a good organization. Soul Society is an organization that imprisons people for the crime of BEING CAPABLE of doing something that would greatly undermine them.
The world they built is built upon the eternal torture of the Soul King. If someone is useful to their ends, they overlook anything. One of the lessons they teach in their academy amounts to "screw honor, stab bitches in the back. Win at all costs." Mayuri is given essentially free reign to do whatever the hell he wants because the tech he makes for them is useful. Mayuri never actually stops committing atrocities through the entire story. In the Arrancar Arc, he doesn't get enough screentime outside of the Szayel fight to do anything, but he planted surveillance bugs in Uryu when they fought. In the TYBW he controls his arrancar corps not through mind control but through torture. He had the tools to strip them of their minds and turn them into puppets, but he chose to just torture them instead. He also went and slaughtered thousands of random people in the rukon district. Mayuri is a fucking psycho.
Uryu using the bombs Mayuri gave him isn't him forgiving Mayuri for the horrors he committed on the quincies, it's him acknowledging that the tools Mayuri brings into existence are good for killing hollows.
Ichigo likely doesn't know the extent of Mayuri's insanity.
Mayuri treats Nemu like a tool because he built her. He doesn't think of her as a person until the TYBW, where she demonstrates herself to be a truly complete lifeform through her decisions against Pernida.
As for what he does to heal her after Szayel, the real answer is just that we don't know what he did. He most likely just injected her with some kind of drug that reversed the draining Szayel's impregnation ability did.
"They could've showed Soul Society being bad more" like them imprisoning people for being capable of committing crimes, letting murderers off scot-free because they have connections, allowing Mayuri to continuously do evil shit, Soi Fon punching Omaeda for trying to save her instead of killing the enemy as he kills her(which is the modus operandi of the Stealth Corps), or sentencing a group of captains and lieutenants to execution for the crime of being experimented on against their will? Soul Society is a genuinely evil organization in a lot of ways.
"The TYBW frames him as an entirely good guy" yeah, like when he killed hundreds to thousands of random people without permission, or when he controlled his zombie corps via torture, or when Giselle(psycho rapist who is actually doing it for personal enjoyment) outright calls him a lunatic. Mayuri is always framed as someone who is extremely intelligent, but also downright evil. The series doesn't need to say that him torturing people is wrong, because it's obvious that it is. The reactions of the people who know are there to frame them. The Soul Society finds him to be unsettling and creepy at best, but is complicit in his every action, and justifies him due to him being useful.
Yamamoto's death wasn't a punishment for his ruthlessness, it was a punishment for his complacency. The scene where Mayuri blames Yamamoto isn't morally justifying his mass killing, it's logically justifying it. The mass killing was the logically correct choice, because it did less harm than the collapse of the world. It isn't the morally correct choice. Mayuri is logically correct that Yama's failure to kill Ywhach way back when is the reason this happened, but that wasn't there to justify his action, but to show that Yamamoto has no right to lash out, given his responsibility for the situation even progressing to where he had to do that.
Mayuri started off in prison before he did anything, because of the corruption of the Soul Society, and he ended the story a free man despite his crimes because of the corruption of the Soul Society. The Maggot's Nest(the prison Mayuri was in) is a prison explicitly for innocent people who might hider the Soul Society.
What I don't like about Mayuri is that he sorta got soft retconned
@@RealCGH in what way?
@@thatonguy2407 His abuse and overall evil characteristics are considerably toned down from his original depiction to the point that his more unfavorable traits are treated as utilitarianism instead of as self-indulgent
@seaside9061 his evil acts aren't treated as utilitarian. He gets let off for doing shit like blowing up his subordinates because of the tech he brings. He continues being egregious as the arcs go on. He plants surveillance bugs in Uryu, and chooses torture as his method of controlling his zombie corps. He could've chosen other methods of controlling the zombies, but instead he chose to implant them with a device he could use to torture them. Mayuri chooses to inflict pain and suffering wherever he can get away with it.
@thatonguy2407 It's kubo favorite character but the next times we seen him he is often portrayed significantly more heroic while in his first appearance he looked like he was set up to be a future foe Uryu would encounter again. In the war what he did against the quincy wasn't really questioned at all and was a big savior there. He was honestly a necessary evil, plus he's literally the only character where his mad murder is just played off more comedically or with alot less questioning of character. Considering the fact other captains who were portrayed as villainous or had a detrimental trait of some kind all died or got some severe punishmemt, Mayuri not facing any severe punishments from a story telling perspective is jarring to say the least. To put this into perspective, let's say that in a timeline where Ichigo mom didn't lose her quincy powers, Mayuri also took the life of Ichigos Mom. In no way would he be viewed the way he is by the fans, but what he did to Uryus grandad is kinda just shrugged off like it isn't a big deal.
Say what you will about Mayuri, he didnt do anything to anyone that he didnt do to himself.
Would he kill himself? Because he looks alive to me.
@@MadMax22the closest we got was him stabbing himself in the neck and he exploded into goop in the S.S arc
To everyone saying soul society has evil or dark history.
Note that doesnt justify how the characters like ichigo and uryu or other quincy treat him. He kills his own squad mates too.
The major problem is he was made so horrifically evil that he in effect becomes a plot hole in the sense that other characters end up warping or changing their personalities and even beliefs in order to have mayuri not face retaliation.
Ichigo doesn't actually know his sins LOL
How would ichigo know what mayuri has done? However, uryu and mayuri’s moments should never be comedic
@fuzemurcury3082 pretty sure uryu mentioned it. Since ichigo recognizes letz still from the j saying that uryu told him about how he did it.
@@Akbar_and_Shaa he mentioned letz stil not what mayuri did to his grandfather
@fuzemurcury3082 you can assume that but if you think his friend is going to casually reveal the greatest hidden weapon of his entire culture but not explain why he ended up using it then i gotta say i think its absolutely a reach to say he didnt at least give some idea of how messed up mayuri is. He also openly rants about how he intends to use orihime as a subject of tests and whatnot so she could also tell ichigo mayuri is a actuall villain.
The biggest Problem with Mayuri story is, that it doesn't even matter, because everybody forgets his silly little dark ages and nobody talks about it and nobody ever holds a grude against him. THEN WHY EVEN BOTHER TO WRITE HIM SO EVIL..... Nothing would change of the story of bleach....
I consider Bleach's message to accept the ridiculousness of life and enjoy life with the people you love.
that makes no sense
@@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011 That was the interpretation I found when reading the story.
@@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011 how does that not make sense in a show about the cycle of life and death?
BLEACH a manga about life and death, I can kinda see your point.🤔
I specifically remember Byakuya talking about how much he couldn't stand Mayuri after he took control to two Captains when they became zombies
He represents a corrupt society looking the other way because he's a significant asset and he's able to get away with killing those people in Rukongai because the entire universe would collapse otherwise.
My issue is that the sexual gags really make him seem sinister. Uryū should hate him way more than he's shown to later in the story. I assume many of the deeper issues in the society each Ichigo is just flat out unaware of because he lives in the human world.
Zaraki, Unohana and The Head Captain are known to be responsible for horrendous things that the higher ups let slide because they're an assest. Ichibei himself Who stands at the top of the soul society is a lying manipulator that was going to dismember and kill Ichigo and make him the new Soul King if the current one died.
So overall I think this is a good critique and that even if he changed him dying and Nemu rising to the challenge would have been better
What sexual gag? He was healing Nemu.
13:28 Answer to that question: Mayuri is Kubo's favourite character and he uses Mayuri's aesthetics as his avatar sometimes. I think Kubo's love for Mayuri blinded him and thus resulting in Mayuri not receiving punishment for the MANY cr-mes he has committed. From a writing perspective, Mayuri should have received punishment or at least reflected on his past misdeeds. But nope, Mayuri does none of those. Mayuri's plot armour is too powerful, I swear. Yhwach should have unalived Mayuri before he fought Yamamoto. Mayuri should have been obliterated by Yhwach. We had Unohana be unalived in that arc but not Mayuri, wtf?
Mayuri being kept around is for several reasons:
1. He’s Kubo’s favorite.
2. The Soul Society values pragmatism above morality and Mayuri is undoubtedly one of, if not the most valuable captain based on usefulness.
3. Mayuri is the mvp of the TYBW or at least tied with Urahara.
4. The soul society doesn’t care about evil if it benefits them as they themselves aren’t heroes. Shunsui states as much several times. Ichibei the head of the shinigami values the greater status quos over morality as shown by the novels.
5. Most captains aren’t good people. Yamamoto has killed trillions of people, Kenpachi is a mass murdering fight addict, and Unohana was the same. When the Quincy killed a large amount of hollows, Mayuri killed 20,000!Rukongai civilians to keep the spiritual balance and Yamamoto didn’t care. He cared more that Nayuri didn’t tell him first.
These points don’t really make Mayuri a better written character
@@illumialter8755 my point wasn’t whether or not he’s a well written character, it was that Soul Society fundamentally is made up of morally corrupt people who will value how useful someone us over morality.
That still doesn't change the fact that Uryu ignoring all his atrocities is just bad writing.
@@potatofarmergyro1720 at what point outside of TYBW could Uryu kill Mayuri and if he killed a Captain, the soul society would come after him. It has nothing to do with writing, him trying to kill Mayuri is stupid from a tactical standpoint and would also be waste of time considering Mayuri’s countermeasures to almost everything.
@@potatofarmergyro1720 Honestly ALOT of things surrounding Mayuri make him a badly written character and it's not just because of him being a terrible person but it's the lengths Kubo goes to excuse or ignore his actions and to make him seem like he's better and smarter than other characters.
The Gotei 13 aren't "good guys", they are keeping the status quo at any cost. Yes there are honorable and good people among them, but as an organization it values the ability to keep things going, over any morals. Mayuri is far too useful to the Gotei 13 for them to ever really do anything about him. And he's far from the only mass-murdering "criminal" among them, he's just not trying to pretend otherwise.
So I would not call Mayuri a problem, since he serves to shine a light on what kind of organization the Gotei 13 really is.
Keep the balance, keep the worlds as they are, at literally any cost.
It seems a lot of the comments on the this video are not understanding the points Karta is making.
Karta is criticizing Maryui not because he doesn’t suffer Kameric punishment but rather because Mayrui’s own disciple actions are never once addressed or acknowledged in the narrative itself after his introduction and since then have been justified Romanticize and even played for laughs by said the narrative.
My goat does it again!
A big theme in bleach is that neither side is necessarily “right”. The shinigami often commit evil acts for the greater good of the universe. Mayuri is the biggest example of that theme
He slaughtered the quincies partly because he takes pleasure in it, but also because it is the duty of the soul society to maintain the balance of souls. The Quincy are a threat to the balance because they erase hollow souls from the reincarnation cycle.
Mayuri existence is an example of the morally grey nature of the soul society. He is by no means a good person, but he does what he does for the greater good of the world. For example; he kills thousands of rukongi citizens to maintain the balance, and Yamamoto is completely fine with it. His actions are a necessary evil to stop the entire world from collapsing.
Finally the video is out. Nice one. I personally don't have a big issue with it but I can see why some people would. I would be interested if this point is even brought up in Beach again(cope). I see Mayuri as one of the parts of Soul Society structure. So while I get people wanting to see him pay for his actions, I would also love that it happens when the whole Soul Society as an institution gets questioned hard and direct, and the questionable elements in that structure gets called out according to their sins(Mayuri would be high up). But I guess Kubo wasn't interested in that.
I also despise Mayuri and he's my most hated character. The reason he doesn't see any real consequences for his actions is mainly because of what his research does for soul society. He was in fact put on "trial" for blowing up his own men, but he basically gets away with it. There is an actual point to this though, and it's to show the corruption of the higher ups of the court guard. Despite them seeming to be the "good guys", they do a lot of fucked up shit. Mayuri is apart of the corruption of the soul society.
And yet the manga constantly backpedaled on that and doesn’t end with the SS getting overthrown. Bleach is basically One Piece if it never went through on all of the build up of how evil the Celestial Dragons/rich elites were and how corrupt the Marines were.
@@Zelink108 The soul reapers have to exist, they keep the balance of souls in the world. There was no build up of overthrowing the soul society, that's not what ichigo wanted to do. He just wanted to save his friends.
I think if Mayuri and Uryu meet up in the hell arc they might have some sort of conflict
And Uryu will stomp him again
I accept him as a simple product of soul society. That place is absolutely rotten.
Its a critique of japanese society in general, where someone can get away with anything as long as they are in a position of power and don't annoy someone more powerful than themselves.
Mayuri is just that, he is an evil but is still useful for the soul society, which is why they overlook his many MANY insane actions.
I mean I think this is more of a critique of societies of high power not Japanese specifically.
America is a good example of another society of this particular problem.
To be fair about the whole “Mayuri killing Uryu’s Grandpa and other Quinces” thing, you have to remember that quinces destroy souls, which robs people of their after life. So unless that is seen as a good thing, I don’t think Uryu should be treated like a helpless victim, as both parties essentially do bad things.
They only kill Hollow souls. Their arrow are just as poisonous as Hollow’s reiyoku is to Quinces.
@@Dave102693 true, but soul reapers cleanse their soul, so that they can have an aftrerlife.
Shinigami arent good guys. Their job is to maintain balance
I think Mayuri and Kenpachi are the only shinigami captains who still uphold the values of the original Gotei 13, we're never told how old they are, but given that a young Kenpachi dueled with Unohana in her prime, and Mayuri was in prison for several hundred years, their ideals of the Gotei are based off of how the original captains used to operate. As Yhwach puts it, "the original Gotei were only court guards in name, as they were simply a savage group of killers." However, as time passed, the nature of the organisation changed, as Yamamoto began to prioritise maintaining a status quo over quenching their bloodthirst, and if you think about it, Kyoraku as well as Ukitake and other captains to follow are the product of that. They're all used to seeing a seireitei that's peaceful. Byakuya is probably the best example of this, as he seems to prioritise ideals over everything else, something that would've been ENTIRELY alien to the Gotei 13 of the past.
Now, Mayuri's actions aren't entirely excusable, but his character is rather consistent. He still continues conducting dubious experiments on the Arrancars and subsequently the Sternritters (as we see in the novels). I do think Mayuri might have toned up some of the dialogue he said to Ishida in Soul Society, or perhaps it was just toned down retroactively by Kubo who might not have been exactly sure of the specifics at the time of him first writing Mayuri. Now, Mayuri and Urahara are both of men of science but what makes them fundamental opposites is that Mayuri prioritises his thirst for knowledge over everything else, and Urahara prioritises the wellbeing of the sereitei over all else; but what makes the two of them similar is that they compromise at nothing when it comes to their research, and they're willing to sacrifice anything, as Hiyori points out when she says of Urahara "Your everything's for the sake of the sereitei attitude was something I always despised."
Kenpachi and Mayuri, as I said before, are very similar in the regard for their thirst. For Kenpachi it's his love for battle and living on the edge, and for Mayuri it's discovering the unknown and new knowledge. While all the other captains focus on a maintenance of the status quo, and do their job as balancers, the eccentric nature of these two captains is what makes them stand apart from the rest. This is also why both of them are such fan favourites, in a different way from someone like Byakuya or Toshiro. If we're talking about a concept of embodying/personifying ideas, Yamamoto symbolised the old system that went from anarchy to balance. Byakuya symbolised the current system which transitioned from rigid and strict to flexible and humane. And, Toshiro symbolises the future of the Soul Society, as his quest to gain stronger, and be unsatisfied with the status quo attitude of the Gotei (which got shaken up after the quincy invasions), resonates with that of most new Soul reapers. Ichibei flat out states that "a thousand years of peace have made all the shinigami weaklings." However, Kenpachi and Mayuri are the variables, because they care about themselves, rather than the system. While other characters are loved for their progression as people, and their reflection of certain values or ideas, Mayuri and Kenpachi are loved because they're unapologetically themselves. Hell, the two of them are even Kubo's favourite characters.
Mayuri also has a lot of character development throughout the series, while it is extremely subtle. It's most apparent in the Thousand Year Blood War arc, but even in the Arrancars Saga, where he seemed to be out on a field trip, he actually did develop significantly as a character. And that was his encounter with Szayelaporro. Immortality and perfection. Szayel claims of himself to be an immortal phoenix that throws itself into the fire when it grows old, and emerges renewed. As a member of the Espada, the group whose character motifs are based off different forms of death, Szayel claims that "It's not about avoiding death, it's about becoming a pathway to continued life. Death is no longer the end, my existence is an endless cycle of death and rebirth." This is where we get an amazing parallel between Mayuri and him, because that has literally been Mayuri's character theme from the get go. When, he fights Ishida in Soul Society and the audience is led to believe that he's been blown to bits by Ishida, for him to then turn into some form of blobby gloob, and slither down the gutters, and then we see him return stronger in the next arc. Mayuri has always been about that rebirth type beat, but the thing that makes him victorious against Szayel is that unlike the pink haired freak, he didn't delude himself into a false sense of perfection (at least he believes he doesn't). And that's when he delivers the beautiful speech on "Nothing in this world is perfect, as cliched as it may sound, it is true. That's why the average joe strives for perfection. But is perfection even desirable? I think not, for it's empty and stagnating. I abhor perfection, as it is a dead end. It leaves no room for innovation or improvement, nor any wisdom or talent. For people of science like us, perfection equates to despair. Be greater than all that's become before, but never be perfect. Scientists always struggle in that contradiction, but they ought to find pleasure in it. In other words, the moment you mentioned a concept such as perfection, you'd already lost to me." It's this encounter that we as an audience are first introduced to seeing Mayuri's character for what he is; a genius scientist who borders on lunacy (like all good scientists do) and strives for improvement, not for perfection, just unparalleled and continuous improvement.
(Continued in replies because it got too long for RUclips LMAO)
His attitude for optimising and adapting however, is put to test during the Quincy invasions. During the first invasion, when all the captains' bankais are in jeopardy, he finds himself unable to come up with a hypothesis on time. (Oh and also, sidenote. A lot of people seem to think that Mayuri's character mellowed out over the course of the series, when he really didn't. He even sacrificed countless innocent lives of humans living in Rukongai district to balance out the Hollow souls vanquished by the Quincies.) Mayuri doesn't fear sacrifice, but in the TYBW arc, we see him prioritising the whole, over the individual. He acts out of character for himself, as he cries out to the captains in despair, those that lost their bankais before he got to complete his hypothesis. He realises that if the Gotei doesn't survive, he wouldn't either, and this is where his character and Kenpachi's seem to become different after all. Moving on to the second invasion, we see Mayuri pulling out the reanimated corpses of the arrancars, and more importantly, what he says to his fellow soul reapers who hesitated to fight their (now zombified comrades), "Protect the sereitei. I don't recall the Gotei being such a soft organisation. An officer of the Court Guards, shall die a court guard. If one harms the court guard, they shall take their own life. Those were the words of the former Captain Commander that you respected so much." In this one line he not only proves of his extreme loyalty to the court guards, and previously Yamamoto, he also proves my point of him carrying the ideals of the original Gotei. Mayuri, just like a lot of the other characters in Bleach, makes his ends justify the means.
Now for arguably Mayuri's greatest character moment, his fight against Sternritter C: "The Compulsory", Pernida. For starters, even in the face of extreme danger from an unknown entity, which even terrified the likes of Ikkaku from Division 11 who asks "Captain Kurotsuchi please stop smiling and run. How can you be so happy in a situation like this?!" And Mayuri responds with "How can I be so happy, you ask? Discovering an unforeseen subject to observe, which only surpasses my expectations every moment; if that's not joyous, then what is!?" However, this fight also marks his greatest moment of weakness. Mayuri's comfort zone, and his sole sense of delusion, his AI daughter Nemu. As an arrow fired by Pernida is about to hit him, and there's no possible way for him to dodge midair, Nemu jumps in to save Mayuri, without having any prior orders from him. Mayuri is mad at Nemu even though she saved his life, because she put her own life at risk. Now obvious questions of morality and whether robots can have feelings, and if it's okay to abuse a robot since they might not have feelings aside, this one scene makes it evident that Mayuri does deeply care about Nemu and values her life over his. He tells her to not think for herself, and to only obey his orders, because it took a heavy toll on him everytime one of her previous versions failed and he had to rework her into a newer version. Nemu (ver 7) signified Mayuri's comfort and delusion. Mayuri brushes off a very real sense of parental love and admiration he experiences for Nemu as a "creepy feeling", when he sees that she carried his flesh healing device with him, even when he forgot to and hadn't given her any orders to do so. As they continue to engage in battle with Pernida, the Sternritter uses its schrift to replicate the ability of Mayuri's bankai and tries to attack them. Mayuri is about to get hit, when Nemu goes full on battle mode, without paying any heed to Mayuri's orders, and as he realises of her own will and sentience, Mayuri feels a mix of guilt, humiliation, satisfaction, and most importantly love. Mayuri remembers that he had named her Nemuri (Sleep) as the entire idea of creating an artificial soul was nothing save a silly dream to him. But over the years, as that dream had turned into an obvious reality, the idea of losing her makes Mayuri's heart break on the inside. It's then that he remembers Szayel and realises that he had been living in only delusion for so long, believing that Nemu Nanago was perfect, and as the image of Szayel in his head taunts him "... By finishing off your meat puppet, it (Pernida) smashed that arrogance and negligence of yours. You're at the end of your resources, alone and helpless. And what you believed to have been perfect has now been destroyed. If it were me in this situation, I couldn't have stopped myself from laughing." Mayuri's inner self wants him, NEEDS HIM, to be a soulless monstrous freak who only ever cares about improvement. However, his character has a shade of humanity to it. It's very faint and subtle, but it's there. His love for Nemu was proof of that. It's not mentioned expressedly, but it becomes evident once you read between the lines, and look beneath the surface.
Mayuri is one of the best written characters in Bleach, and I hope this really long comment has changed your mind on him, even if just a little. Cheers.
Video on orochimaru next since he did the same thing and got away with it. Burrito even makes fun of the fact everyone knows what orochimaru did and still see him as an ally.
As many here have said the Soul Society are not "Good Guys" and are incredibly corrupt and Mayuri is too smart to publically cross any line that would see him purged by other Shinigami. Also many of the Shinigami have either extremely patronizing attitude to normal humans or view them as little more than livestock with highest authority among them (central 46) being more on the livestock side.
That being said. I personally take Mayuri as charcter in fashion of Milo Minderbinder from Catch-22. Someone that by all rights should be seen as reprehensible monster, but their mindset is so divorced from human morality that it somehow lets them escape that judgement.
I wanted an Uryu/Mayuri match in the TYBW. It would have made his siding with the sternritter
And uryu will stomp him again
That wouldn't work. Because uryu already kinda let go of his hatred for mayuri when they fought szayel along with renji...it would be too awkward for them to fight again...what would be the motivation? That he killed Quincys? OK? He avenged in soul society then they made terms in arrancar arc...
I’m so glad someone was finally able to talk about this. I started watching Bleach when I was 12 and I was waiting for Mayuri to pay for his action and for the life of me I could understand why the author decided to just push it under the rug. Especially the scene where he fondles his daughter after his fight with Szayel my mind legit went blank during that same because I couldn’t understand for the life of me why the author thought that be a good idea in any context.
Tbf it was to heal her.
Mayuri is supposed to be a grey character and Uryu chose to distance himself from the SS. Mayuri made Nemu and its his creation no one else is there to claim they know more than him. If the central 46 (whom are the justice department and are corrupt) doesn't say anything then he is free to do whatever he wants as long as it doesn't interfere with the laws in SS. Even Byakuya said he doesn't agree with mayuri's moral of how he does stuff but since they are serving the SS (they are only a military group and not "politicians") they keep themselves to each their own (SS arc showed how splitted the interest were between the different divisions). Like the reason why they had to eliminate the 28,000 citizens of rukongai was to "correct" the soul balance distribution by the wandenreich, yes its horrible but its what was needed and is why it was hidden from the rest. If nothing was done then basically the worlds would have collapsed, so Mayuri is the unsung hero in this despite his methods is not the most moral good one. Maybe in TYBW anime we can get more new materials regarding Mayuri and Uryu or when the manga continues.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with fictional characters being evil, you people need to grow up
@@joebidenjr5902 nothing wrong with evil characters. But they story openly endorses it. Which is a little strange
@tillburr6799 Because it's made ostensibly clear on many occasions that the Soul Society is an extremely corrupt organization that will keep on doing/turning a blind eye to evil as long as it benefits its status quo, and Mayuri is a great example of that, he's still very much evil, but since he is useful then nothing can be done about it.
This is the sort of things that make Aizen such a great villain as he HAS a point when saying that Soul Society is corrupt and that he wanted to become the Soul King because he has seen what's wrong with the world and wants to take it into his own hands to fix it (he's the quintessential Nietzschean Übermensch)
Reminder that TYBW was not supposed to be the final arc originally from what we've heard from Kubo's interviews, he just had to cut the manga short for several reasons, so what we see is basically a build up that has been halted before the pay off could be delivered
THANK YOU, I'VE BEEN FEELING THE SAME THING FOR 15 YEARS
45:14 just to offer some clarification "Mayuri was likely put in jail back then for something similar to what we see him do in the actual story". Not really, it was explained to us through Urahara that Maggot's Nest imprisons what the Seireitei considers potential criminals. Doesn't mean they did something, just that they're seen as capable of doing harm, so it's a preventative measure. Mayuri was considered dangerous enough to be put in isolation, that's true, but that doesn't necessarily mean he committed any crimes prior to his incarceration.
It’s not that he was capable of doing harm is that he was capable of threatening society. Technically, if Eisen were a little less smart, he would’ve ended up there also
Tbh the video topic and energy towards this character seems "misdirected".
I mean it doesn't take much thought to agree with your assertion (besides your charity to the morality of the gotei 13, and juxtaposing to it being "different" from mayuri).
I think not liking a evil character and wanting the story to make sense in regards to the character makes sense. I wish bleach made characters a actually think about what mayuri did.
I don't mind mayuri being a character and how he was in the story. I just wish kubo put time into developing an ACTUAL THEME WITH HIS CHARACTER IN MIND.
so i guess what I'm saying is. I think your issue is a kubo writing problem more than this specific character.
🤷🏿 just my 2 cents tbh
same vibes as Natuto female characters.
Its the writers fault Sakura and all other females are useless and only serve to be love interests
@@johnynoway9127 bingo
I dont think its misdirected because both of these things intertwine with each other. This is one of Kubo's favorites characters, and in the story he is one of the most op bullshit characters in bleach. Honestly the writing and the character pisses me off.
@MEBOLOR I think it is because I don't think mayuri characterization is off.
I think the story and the surrounding characters NOT INTERACTING WITH MAYURI is what makes it frustrating
Mayuri is supposed to be cold calculated and selfish as long as he following the law by central 46 (whom are corrupt) then he is legally fine and these arguments that "he is evil" is just outside opposing moral views (we have this in the real world with past and current cultures) This is the same as questioning gods moral, why did god put us on this planet to suffer? Is he evil? These are just human made concepts, so its supposed to feel very alienated. Do people 1000 years ago have the same morals and thought process like people have today? No and about 1000 years in the future people are going to think different than we do today and have complete different morals to ours. Mayuri has never been portrayed as "good" he is supposed to be a character on the "grey" zone, but since he is not an enemy of SS or someone trying to taking over the world its different. The wandenreich doesn't know about the experiments Mayuri did since it was in the past and those quincies Mayuri had experimented on were people that were already exiled for not going with the new progress of the Quincy powers. The reason why they had to eliminate the 28,000 citizens of rukongai was to "correct" the soul balance distribution by the wandenreich, yes its horrible but its what was needed and is why it was hidden from the rest (this goes back to SS not being perfect). Also we have the TYBW anime which is going to delve more in to stuff that was missed out in the manga and the possible manga continuation after the tybw anime is over. Not to be rude here, but the person behind this video has not properly read the manga since Ichigo knows nothing about the stuff Uryu got to experience during the first encounter with Mayuri, which he has kept to himself and is why he distance himself. The whole reason why he was "allied" was due to a greater common enemy (Aizen) and the fact Orihime was caught.
Very thought out man good shi
Bleach is basically One Piece if it never went through on all of the build up of how evil the Celestial Dragons/rich elites were and how corrupt the Marines were. It’s full of Imperial Japan apologia, Mayuri is the Bleach version of Shirō Ishii and an allegory for Unit 731.
A lot of the reason why none of his crimes get addressed is because as far as soul society is concerned, a lot of those things aren’t crimes. They are literal gods of death, so nobody is going to bat an eye if somebody starts mowing down regular souls. Keep in mind, Kenpachi was a happy go Lucky murderer before he joined the army
FANTASTIC VIDEO
Honestly I think mayuri should've been a war power and the one of the first to die in the tybw. Like why wouldn't they target the person who was torturing their people for hundreds of years
Because yhwach doesn’t care and is more concerned about the soul king
Having Nemu succeed him would have been cool, especially if she was worse than he was, or even worse if she became Captain of Squad 4 and there was a rivalry.
@@fuzemurcury3082 Okay cool. But that just made the rest of Quincy look like a bunch of idiots for not going after the person and institution that could develop counter measures to their tactics for war. Especially when they were watching the Shinigami for centuries.
Soldat: Hey, should we go after that clown looking guy who can create countermeasures to our abilities and studied our kin to death?
Soldat: Naw it's all good probably.
Pretty good video! I actually enjoy Mayuri, because I enjoy the personality and total bullshit he brings to his fights, tho tbf ig that's in part because of how boring a lot of other stuff in those longer fight gaunlet sections are lol
At the same time, yeah, it's pretty funny his introduction is him doing all to be the heinous villain stuff imaginable, he doesn't change, but everyone is... Just chill with him for some reason. Ngl, I think part of it is just how neglected a lot of the other "main" characters like Uryu can get. Byakuya opposes Ichigo, and actually has a beliable arc, yet Uryu just has to deal with it ig lmao
I really enjoy the changes ya suggested. Idk what my suggestion would be to somehow make antithesis beat him, just because all the bullshit Mayuri pulls out of his ass lol
Keep up the good work! Also LOL, love that comment in 12:10
Everybody is chill with it because the Soul Society is corrupt and evil. It doesn't matter how evil you are as long as your useful they don't care.
The Soul Society has never been good and never will be good.
Bleach seemed adult in general so I somehow legit didn’t notice the weird implications of the guy 1) cuz I watched ninja gaiden so “inappropriate” was hard to judge and 2) missing the entire beginning of the manga somehow made me not now that’s his daughter until literally today
Dude as a future villain would make so much since.
Tbh I think this is a great analysis but you need to understand the world mayuri lives in and its rules. Why would the soul society or the plot for that matter punish him for doing something the higher ups and vast majority of the seritei agree with. The Quincy cleansing while horrid in a real world sense is perfectly fine in their world because bleach doesn’t have the same moral system as us. Honestly I think Juno could’ve done a better job showing the difference between the morals of different characters cuz a lot of bleach fans have this idea the SR are good. They’re amoral and they exist to serve the purpose of protecting and guiding souls that’s the only commonality between all SR morally. Again this is due to plot ichigo doesn’t meet many SR that have overtly extremist views and are tipped more towards what we’d say is evil but in reality most of the higher ups are what we’d consider evil. Yhwach said himself that the old soul society was much crueler and more evil than now because of the younger SR being kinder. So again why would mayuri be punished for his worldview in a world where multiple worldviews are acknowledged. It’s like how some people think aizens goal was understandable but his means of achieving it was screwed up. Even urahara can be considered evil under a certain lens, he groomed a 15 year old boy to fight and grow stronger enough to become a new soul king and he was willing to let it happen. Bleach is all about showcasing multiple ideals, i can’t really expect kubo to flesh out every single one
I loved him 🤷🏾♀️ none of the captains was nice people. They all did horrible stuff or looked the other way in the past.
If Bleach came out today the soul society would have been the villains for the whole story
Personally he's in my top 3 favorite characters. His speach about perfection was ironically, perfect 👌. Oh and lets not foget his contributions in the TYBW
I definitely agree with you. I've noticed that Mayuri is very popular, and that Kubo himself seems to like him a lot, but I lost interest in him after the Soul Society arc. Feels like his character arc and role in the story changed non-organically and suddenly. Let me take the opportunity to get this off my chest as well, I really dislike his arrancar arc design. His SS design was just so good and eerie, the pharaoh thing just looks stupid and cosplay-y.
"Mayuri is my least favorite character in all of Bleach. Not just due to his detestable personality, but also because of how he is handled and framed in the narrative, which to me ruins the message of the story as a whole." Oh yeah, the story's message that talk about how the Gotei 13 and the SS in general are selfish Machiavellians who look out for their own interests no matter the damage they cause, and how the manga and novels regularly criticizes this by bringing up that the SS has corrupt organizations, a sick nobility, and laws that only perpetuate injustices; who would have believed that a character like Mayuri Kurotsuchi would be so accepted in this type of society? Incredible.
The original gotei 13 were criminals
Let’s not forget he was locked away in Kísūké’s prison area til he let him out with the promise that if he dies he gets to be head of Squad 12 R&D…
If you remove his character you kill so much of the moral ambiguity and nuance to the morality of the soul society…
You also didn’t consider the idea she was grown the same as his Bánkaî & is potentially similar to a mod soul or even Yáchīrū of squad 11…
& he even puts that spy tech into uryu… then spends time inventing tech to imitate Quincy techniques based around Uryu’s powers…
I think it’s OBVIOUS that he is messing with an assumed enemy when Uryu is fighting the soul society as functionally last living proper practical Quincy… so he really plays up all his work against his people before basically testing how close he can get to killing him… had to regenerate most of his body afterwards & nemu gives the antidote… I imagine the squad members he blows up are probably fake imitations made to trick people… he’s probably testing them on the people who won’t offer a reasonable fight…
As for crimes it’s not clear he ever commits any actual crimes as much as necessary actions which are upsetting but needed for whatever scientific stances…
Also just the idea that he’s abusing someone that may be the spirit of his sword, does add more context & understanding to his own behaviour…
But it’s easy to make assumptions etc.
Mayuri is never characterised as a good guy.. he’s always unusual and disturbed… missing his earlobes even… how did that happen?
I bet he wasn’t even allowed to put a sad backstory in there beyond him being locked in maggots nest alone…
Calling it a “children’s comic” does feel a bit silly when it’s one of the more adult leaning stories in weekly young boys jump… but I wish there weren’t such extreme expectations of characters from you man! I feel like you’re upset that he isn’t an easily defined good guy or bad guy for an A.I. To decide how to feel about, rather than actually spending time to consider the nuance & layers & perspective from him, his associates, his victims, his superiors, his enemies… he’s such an integral character to adding important perspective and emotional weight to every scene he’s in…
I’m sad I don’t know all the details of his evils or any of what goods he could’ve done in his life without even caring… but that’s part of what makes his detachment from characters with more reasonable emotions & opinions hold so much depth & mystery…
If he weren’t such a great character, you wouldn’t be this upset about stuff you may have only imagined him doing!
But I think it’s also amazing he grabs Uryu’s grandpa’s head’s photo to mess with him and acts like it’s coincidence and it was the last Quincy he ever messed with “and he was crying out for whatever his name was” - it feels So Clear he’s just trying to rile up uryu to see if he’ll try any fancy Quincy stuff he doesn’t already know or if he’s emotional or pried or Completely Oblivious to history of his people… which even Uryu said he thought the soul reapers were right to ichigo…
But Mayuri is the First soul reaper that Really creates the sense that Quincies have been the enemy & he might have even shown him his dead grandpa so he understands that this was Not how expected to see the Quincy that his grandpa died protecting dying in some teenage invasion of the soul society…
I think there’s a Lot More nuance and depth to his character which is intentionally obscured by his words and appearance…
I won’t pretend to understand the guy but I know definitely that It’s way too soon to judge him… if you knew about the thousand year blood war coming, would you react well to a Quincy invader that you know is grandson of the last Quincy you found?
& I think humans shouldn’t be judging people on a higher path… (only half joking… it’d be scary to be in dévà path with Mayuri doing weird stuff…)
But interesting ideas your sharing…
But I’m not shocked by him acting like a villain to teenage descendant of the spirit Nazis… you know? : D
I mean it’s still nasty but… with his tech he could’ve created that from an illusion or something… or just been a jerk or a guy trying to save the last Quincy from his peers… if nemu was just his sword would you be so upset?
I know some people don’t care about Lt. Yáchīrū disappearing cause she’s a sword spirit, but the character is their own being… Nèmū feels like a female reflection of Mayuri in many ways… but without all the missing parts… he never makes new earlobes for himself… but he will change makeup and hair & all the headwear etc.
I’ve not thought This Much about the “Kūrōtsūchí family” in maybe years? : D
Cheers for that!
This is like if hogback joined the crew instead of brook in thriller bark
I really hate how kubo made the Quincys evil just for the sake of making soul reapers look good it destroyed the Quincy race and what's worse not a single Quincy ever talk about what Mayuri ever did kubo failed in writing the Quincys they didn't deserve this level of bad writing and of course Mayuri is kubo favorite character so no matter what evil and disgusting things he does it's always forgiven he should be dead but we know kubo will never kill that disgusting guy
You're talking like Mayuri was responsable of the Quincy genocide. I'm sure he wasn't even born 🥱
Honestly Mayuri became my if not one ''of'' my favourites characters when he gave his speech about perfection and i could totally relate to that.
I understand the problems a new reader can have with mayuri ... but 6 minutes in the video and i can already see a problem with the premise
What does soul society stand for ? To save humans ? Nooo hell no
To keep balance of the 3 worlds thats it
The entire history of soul reapera is filled with deceit and piles of bodies
Aizen and Tokinada had a point for why the did what they did as "villains"
Mayuri was in isolation in prison for a reason ,central 46 tolerates his bullshit because he is effective.
And while at first him having a picture of uryu's grandfather seems weird ... we are talking about a man that replaced all of his organs in his body prior to fighting a espada because he spied on ishida fighting him ... i really think dude has cameras everywhere and just pulled out against uryu for a reason
Also him experimenting on quincy isnt necesarily a bad thing considering what they were doing ... again balance HAS TO BE KEEPT
Up until ichigo and his group came along the gotei werent really the good guys ,Mayuri just does it out in the open and even he changes a bit do to ichigo and the rest
The one thing i admit is a bit inconsistent is his mindset on nemu
Mayuri getting away with his evil is part of the deeper plot of Soul Society itself. The Gotei began as a gang of murderous thugs, and even though they cleaned up their act, they still did evil things. Ichibe and the noble families dismembered the Soul King, and Ichibe was planning to use Ichigo as a replacement Soul King.
Urahara, despite being one of the "good guys," let Mayuri out of prison in the first place knowing how dangerous he was. Even when Mayuri killed all of the people in the rukongi to balance out the souls at the start of TYBW, nobody really cared because it was seen as a sacrifice for the greater good.
The only reason we see Soul Society as good is because they fight against people who are worse than them, but even then, Aizen, Ginjo, and Yhwach had their reasons for doing what they did, just like Soul Society, but their evil is made more obvious.
I'm not defending Mayuri, but you have to understand that there's a reason he hasn't been punished. His usefulness outweighs any damage he may cause. I hope that the Hell arc will explore the evils of Soul Society more, because so far it has just been a subtle thing in the background, and it will be the perfect opportunity to see consequences for what happened in the past.
So... The moral greyness of Shinigami bothers you. The best thing about it. Sigh...
Mayuri is an odd case of Kubo opting to reuse a character for an entirely different role instead of replacing them with a more appropriate one. It's easy to imagine the soul society arc having a captain or vice captain filling the abhorrent Mayuri's role who is slain by Uryu, and another character promoted to be the eccentric Mayuri that appears in the next arc.
Are we really acting like Mayuri wouldn’t have a backup brain in storage that Akon could drag out?
@@CatotheE what is with these Mayuri fans?
@@MadMax22 that's something Mayuri would do though?
Plus the dude is revealed to have clones of himself in cfyow
@@MadMax22He is a great character in my opinion
Honestly this definitely reminded me of how much of a piece of shit Mayuri is. It's hard to tell when some things are left slightly up to interpretation, like his strange perversions which are played off as jokes, but either way he definitely deserved some comeuppance. He should have died in the TYBW and Uryu should've played a part in it. Though I find him to be a fun character in some ways with how heinous he is, at the same time from a more logical and moral lens, he is a degenerate villain who seems unacknowledged by his peers, most of which are pretty moral characters.
Most of his peers are also criminals. This video only works off the assumption that mayuri is the sole source of corruption in soul society. Yama, unohana, kenpachi soifon, ichibe, aisen, gin, tosen, nemaya and even urahara have committed acts on a similar level if not worse than mayuri. Mayuri is simply a representation of everything wrong with the status quo in their world. Mayuri just is an easy person to focus on because kubo explicitly shows us plenty of his wrongdoings while the others evil deeds are within the subtext.
Since when are the SS the good guys again ? Do not confuse "the least evil" with goodness.
The only good guys of the show are the Ichigo gang. The rest are heavely grey at best.
He's just a better Batman.
Who’s here after the recent anime episode that showed all of the bad writing with Mayuri in full force?
>Please feel sorry for the child abusing asshole Shiro Ishii ghost, his abused stockholm syndrome daughter just died to Crazy Hand and turns out he did care for his daughter as an successful science experiment as proof that he's better than his predecessor who couldn't give a rats ass about his one sided rivalry with him.
Kubo really tried to go abuser and Unit 731 apologist huh?
Mayuri is the peak of Kubo's piss-poor writing and characterization, his relationship with Nemu is the most forced shit I've seen in forever and the anime did jack shit to change that. Just add some vocals when he's despairing and normies will fall for it, not all of them thankfully, some are simply not that stupid.
I think a lot of these issues actually go to show how little the story likes uryu. i think him never getting justice shows how unfair the world of bleach is to him. He's my favorite character and it hurts to see but it makes sense. He's the last quincy, the last of a race killed in such unforgiving ways. I think he himself knows he cant get justice, in my heart I like to think that offscreen, uryu accepted that he will never get justice for what mayuri and the soul society did. It's like giving up. But I know thats probably not what kubo intended and he probably just forgot, and ngl, i think he forgot uryu was a main character until the last arc.
It’s like how Kishimoto overused the Uchiha in Shippuden
Mayuri is not responsible for the entire Quincy race being erased, the original Gotei 13 did that. Mayuri only experimented on a couple of the remaining Quincies that didn't die during the !st war. Also it is a big chance that Mayuri was ordered to experiment on them. I am aware that Mayuri is very sadistic and would have done it regardless. Soul Society is a very harsh & gruesome place, they are not the good guys. In my opinion Bleach is a great evil vs evil story.
Mayuri is my goat
I swear these comments are alarming, it’s like you lot don’t understand Bleach or the characters. You lot should just stick to spoon fed mangas like One Piece or something. 😂
If Mayuri wasn't there who would have had the best design in every arc back to back
I mean Mayuri fits to how the soul society used to be run by Yamamoto who was way worse with burning then using people for physiological damage.
Major problem was Mayuri is in the shadow of kisuke as a character and juha acknowledging Mayuri would destory that as he was going to show why nemu is his greatest creation the Quincy office Mayuri for destorying the lesser or traitor Quincy makes sense they don't care Quincy don't care for any Quincy that get infected by hollow so they honestly probably could thank Mayuri in their own tested way.
Plus by captains. Mayuri is not the worst in the current(shinigami arc) list. 1 4 11 are Yama retsu and kenpachi. Full on criminals. That's without mentioning tosem gin and aizen defecting making for another 3 so 6 captains not connected to Mayuri is half the gotei being irredeemable by their law standard.
But still Mayuri was way better handled than orochimaru in Naruto
Regarding the Arrancar arc "r//e", as a kid, I never understood what that was. I just figured Mayuri was blowing into her mouth like she's a deflated balloon.
You Misunderstand the base of the bleach world
Damn, love Mayuri.. one of my favourites from bleach.
THANK YOU
There is no problem with Mayuri, the problem is your perspective of Soul Society as a whole.
Soul Society never cared about ethics, they only cared about keeping the balance of souls/hollows in check and if the ends justify the means then who cares who gets hurt.
Remember Squad 0's plan to turn Ichigo into the new Soul King just in case if the og Soul King died and the world's started collapsing.
Because again in Soul Society; the ends justify the means.
BLEACH has many different themes going on with different characters, not just Ichigo's journey is important.
Also characters like Byakuya will most likely never agree with Mayuri and his actions, but Byakuya will still work with Mayuri for the sake of the Soul Society regardless of his personal feelings and disgust for Mayuri.
A small argument even accord between Byakuya and Mayuri during TYBW cour 2 about some of Soul Society's ethics, ending in a disagreement between the two but still having to work together.
Does him having done crimes make him a low quality character?
Love your video bro. I also love how all of what your saying is LOST on Mayuri fans.
You said Mayuri saying Nemuri Nanago is cute. But it translates literally to whats in the parentheses. Sleeping Number 7. So hes even more of a piece of shit for not giving his. Daughter a real name.
I don't agree with your tybw section cause its not framing it like he changed, he said that cause the lieutenants were asking him on why kensei and rose are zombified and he replied to them with that in a sarcastic/ mocking tone he didn't sound like he was changing
You mean to tell me that in a different world, an evil man who did horrible things is allowed to live and is employed by the government because he is useful? No way! This would never happen in the real world! To those who don't get it, this is sarcasm.
bro are you being sarcasmic? ohhh Lol sorry, I didn't reach your last sentence before I wrote this coment. Have a good day
REAL CLOWN HATING HOURS LETS GO
i adore bleach. I mean obviously. But yeah mayuri drags the entire story down. Why couldn’t he have been one of the traitors that joined aizen gin and tosen? That would have fixed all these problems AND given Uryu something to do/strive for.
Hell ditch the pink haired espada fight and have uryu and nemu team up and kill mayuri. That would have kicked ass
...Damn this would have been based actually, Uryu & Nemu team up against her abuser and the murderer of his grandfather would have been catharthic as hel.
Mauri is my favorite character :)) but i appreciate you expressing this!
Lol well Kubo said that Mayuri is his favorite character he even cosplayed as him for Reio's sake
Yes let's burn Maruyi at the stake for getting all the data he wanted on the enemy that the soul society went to war against 1000 years ago and were the final villains that almost destroyed the balance of three worlds. Yea you need more to convince me. Why not crucify Ichigo for burying Ginjo too despite what he did. Why not slander Kyoraku for working with Aizen after all that happened.
Even thought Shinigami live for thousands of years and holding a grudge for long would do absolutely nothing.
Too bad all that prior data he had on the Quincies was useless and proved to be completely unbeneficial huh?
11:18 lol
I’m gonna watch this all the way but I can’t see how he’s the worst lol. There are some pretty goofy characters that do nothing for the story
The fandom agree Mayuri is the best bleach character
I like the fight even more now against the big Hand. Its so fucked up I love it. Mayuri is like a drunk pathetic father who beats his kid in a drunken rage but then one very few moments regreats it. But newer hrows out of it. Mayuri is easiely my favourit bleach charakter.
You did get a lot of things right, but a lot wrong, why did make you think the soul society is a good place with good people? the Soul socierty was created with the killing and dismemberment of a ''mercyful god'' to impose a status quo that they think it would be better for them to rule as powerful and corrupted royal families that don't care about the well being of anyone. and the original capitains were just massive serial killers, without remorse, even after being a captian Unohana was killing a lot of people Rukongai beucase she wanted a good fight, the central 46 is faceless judgment hall to keep things in control, so theres no chance anyone can flip the status quo or endanger the royal families. They sented captains and lieutenants to karakura town in the lost agent arc in case Ichigo did not allie with them, he would be killed. Most people, even capitains dont know the full extend of the past and wrong dids of the soul society, but does who know, still enforce the rules mnost of the time, biggest exemple is Urahara and Shunsui. Ichibei planned to use Ichigo corpse as the pillar to keep the 3 world from collpasing, just as the original 5 royal famillies did to the Soul King. Also 44:57, this was already done, Yhwach mocks Yamamoto and the soul society before finishing the old man, you can check that in the episode 6 or 7 from the tybw anime, and about Shunsui and aizen, he said, and you can see in his fights, if he is going to fight he is gonna use every dirt tatics to win. Its not hard to put everything in place, why should they (wither the head captain or the royal families) put down Mayuri? He is extremely powerful ally that doenst seem to change sides anytime soon, and gives the soul society new ways to approach and deal with enemies, he is a must for everyone that want to keep things rolling as they as have. The sistem is broken to its core, Mayuri is not even the biggest offender of the rules that they work by, he is not the cause, but the symptom of something that havent change for the most part since the start
he should be treated different, and with much less comedic scenes and with a more respect and tension with Uryu, and the quincies that he killed should be a bigger point in his fights in the tybw and yeah, Nemu story with Mayuri should have a little more tweaks and changes so it can be seen less like a Epstein situation. But for the rest, there isnt nothing wrong story wise or theme wise with mayuri having such a posicion of power and not being punish for his crimes
Nemu!!!
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Best captain wdym
You are not supposed to relate to Mayuri tho
To be honest he is like the Most fun character
Mayuri was one of the biggest if not the biggest reason they won the thousand year blood war arc, the reason he's around, and the reason he gets away with shit, is because he's needed, and not to mention we are told from the start that the soul society isn't above doing evil acts, Yamamoto was responsible for lots of deaths of innocent people, and he was the leader for thousands of years, Urahara was in charge of a prison full of innocent people, and seemed to be fine with it for the most part, there's LOTS of shady shit that happens in the soul society, and that's something TOLD and SHOWN to us at the very start, and you have an issue with Mayuri? then you should have an issue with the entire soul society as a whole, I mean look at Ichibei, he's in a very high position, basically second highest to the soul king himself, and we know damn well that Ichibei is likely responsible for some of the most evil acts, at least with Mayuri he's not really made out to be a good person, we know how evil and awful he is, just because there are funny or badass moments involving him doesn't mean the creator of the series is trying to make us like him as a person, you can make an evil character likeable as a character and not as a person, Homelander is a great example of that, a truly disgusting awful person, yet he gets plenty of funny moments or moments where he gets to be scary or badass, but that's not there to make us like him as a person, and it doesn't make him a bad character, so in short, Mayuri is not the worst bleach character, far from it, Chad is worse than him, because at least Mayuri is relevant, poor Chad is the Krillin of Bleach, a complete joke, and made to look weak and pathetic at every turn, someone who was once useful and a big part of the cast, so make a video about how Bleach likes to make the old cast useless apart from Ichigo and sorta Uryu, Dragon ball does it, Naruto does it, and it's annoying
bleach is a series that changes directions, is rushed down one path and slowed when it changes directions. the characters are crude shells which later got filled out.
the entire series is an asspull that got made up as he went along. im amazed it lasted this long.
Uruhara got him out of jail
The problem with this video is Mayuri is called out for his actions. Due to the circumstances he's in he isn't held legally responsible until after Aizens defeat as Aizen killed Bleachs world Leaders and Jurisdictional System to take over the shinigami subvertingly. He is held responsible for thr murder of Squad mates haphazardly and the murder of thousands of souls in the Rukon Districts. However he wasn't arrested or legally held responsible due to both instances happening during War times. With the Ryoka incident the Ryoka were held as capital threats due to the death of Aizen which there was a kill on sight order. Even the use of Bankai was permitted. Mayuri use of his subordinates which he was charged with was deemed a casualty of War since they died trying to kill the invaders. After murdering 1000s in the Rukon Districts 70+ he was held accountable by Yamamoto and Central 46 but due to the threat it posed he beat the charges. Even the murder of the Quincy was a order from 46, Mayuri doesn't have the pull to just order the extinction of Quincies, he just tested on their souls when they arrived with was allowed by Central 46, a corrupt system.
As for Nemu, she's a Gigai. She wasn't supposed to have free will. She was looked at as a failure due to it so Mayuri treats her as a tool. As for the r*pe bit, it was never stated nor shown to be the cause. Only suggested Mayuri was touching her body in front of them and they got embarrassed. Now this could be simple removal of clothes to treat her like they do in hospitals or something potentially more obscene. Renji and Uryu are characters who get embarrassed easily and Mayuri doesn't seem to think it was terrible but he's questionable. You can take the extreme and call it r*pe but keep in mind her Organs were drained and crush. Mayuri is someone who used Needles primarily to cure or infect his victims. He also has ooze which heals him, for all we know he rubbed a healing ooze on her or injected needle shots in certain areas which would be embarrassing to be viewed by 2 young adults. I feel like there's 2 ways to view the events.
Regardless Mayuri is never painted as a good person, not once. He helps the heros but subjects them to questionably painful medication. he allows crimes to happen without care due to them not interesting him. In TYBW he almost gets the Gotei killed a few times to ignore Kisuke another morally questionable character from having points he haven't reached yet. Mayuris introduction to the Bleach lore being in the Maggots Nest for unknown reasons. He's a bad person, he only regrets treating Nemu poorly because she displays free will at her death which is his sign that he poorly treated his only Accomplishment over Kisuke Urahada. Shitty reasoning sure but Mayuri is a selfish being, with several depictions of Satan over Mayuris character. Kubo knows Mayuri is evil, he just also helps the Society that let's him be evil
Also I'd like to note Bleach isn't for kids, it's for young Adult and Adults. If it was for kid itd be in Toonami, but Bleach was on Adult Swim for a reason. This video paints Bleach far worst than it actually was.
@@nickpickxd2138 ??? Why are you talking about american networks when no, Bleach is a shonen and shonen is made for kids & teenagers in Shonen Jump.
@AbstractTraitorHero It's a massive portion of anime viewers are in the west, particularly America, which is why I bring it up. It's also the easiest distinction to make for the difference between kids Shonen and Teen Shonen. Bleach was very mature despite being a Shonen. There's several Shonen Manga which are also too mature for mere kids such as Tokyo Ghoul and Attack on Titan. They're tailored towards young adults and Adults despite being Shonen anime. Hell, Tokyo Ghoul has a sex scene. You can't just say it's a kids' anime because it's Shonen.
@@nickpickxd2138 Bleach actually IS for children & teenagers, it's published by Shonen Jump & was in Shonen Jump which main market is kids & teenagers factually. It being a shonen is true, but it's still marketed & made for teenagers/kids. Japanese youth are seen differently then in America & what is acceptable for them, Tokyo Ghoul is also not a shonen, but a Seinin & that's fairly obvious if you read it.
@AbstractTraitorHero Tokyo Ghoul is on Shonen Jumps official App. This is my point, Shonen Jump markets towards kid and teens but it's impossible to be for both, Bleach, Tokyo Ghoul, JJK aren't meant for 11-12 year olds like Narutos part one or One Piece, it's catering to 16-19 yr olds. And you're right Japanese kids are more mature than American kids, but it doesn't mean their media is entirely changed. There's a reason why Conan The Detective is still running, or Sazae-san is still making episodes. Bleach is clearly for Teens and young adults. Just like Tokyo Ghoul. Both Shonen.
Mayuri is the literal personification of scientific curiosity. Mad scientist, sadistic, unhinged, egomaniacal, and he manages to steal every scene just as well as Zaraki or hollow ichigo. Bleach would be severely lacking if it didn't have him, it adds another layer to the corruption of soul society entirely. They were the first enemy after the hollows afterall, they're all guided by what we're meant to see as a different set of guidelines of "by any means necessary" that any human would be taken aback by. Then you see the end of the Fullbring filler where they mention how much Ichigo has changed them and their ways where even yamamoto helped him restore his powers. Mayuri is easily one of the consistently top 5 characters, and any attempt trying to justify saying the opposite is just categorically incorrect.
Bleach Lore has always been and always will be skin deep.
Bleach has a lot of lore, it's just not explored much in the manga. The light novels give a lot of new information on the worldbuilding and history of the different realms and characters.
Sounds like an excuse for not getting things.
Mayuri has definitely had plenty of people call for his death in TYBW. As justified as it would be, there is something to be said about not defaulting to "bad people should just die because they were bad" as the solution to dealing with him. Mayuri is hardly the only criminal who has done heinous acts active in the Soul Society anyway. I mean, Kenpachi is right there and might actually have a higher body count, or did we just forget that pile of corpses? And the entire Stealth Force is just...Kind of messed up. Soul Society is deeply flawed. So deeply in fact that both Aizen and Yhwach feel justified in genocide against Shinigami. Trying to fix the Soul Society isn't anywhere as simple as draining some conceived swamp.
I don't know about calling Bleach a "manga for kids". This goes back to the whole "tits and ass are too much but blood and guts is okay" trend a lot of media and critics are like. Pernida crushes people into balls and their bones and organs pop out, I'm not bothered by a lot of skin at that point. However, Nemu is more complicated than that. Here's a thought, she's a robot. Is Mayuri worse for abusing an android or thinking of an android as his daughter? Nemu may be more than the sum of her parts, but she's not exactly an abused human being with something akin to Stockholm syndrome either. She's just programmed.
Here's one more thing to point out, the Quincy literally deny Hollows the afterlife with their arrows. Think of all those people Mayuri killed, Uryu alone has murdered thousands more just by helping Ichigo, and no one bats an eye. Sure the hollows themselves are evil, but their souls are purified and go to heaven unless they were also evil in life, and I highly doubt Uryu has conveniently taken out only hollows destined for Hell.
This isn't to defend Mayuri nor damn Quincies, but almost everything in Bleach is built on grey, shifting sand. I'd go as far as to say it reflects present day societies, in a way.
Maiyuri is easily my favourite character!!
Everyone can think what they want about Mayuri, rightfully so, but it can't be denied that if it wasn't for him everyone would be dead threefold.
Couldn't agree more on every single point. I have my problems with Bleach, but most of them I can joke about, while Mayuri is just this huge elephant in the room. Like, wtf, Kubo. Something happened to Kubo after Soul Society. Not only his abilities as a writer have taken a serious regress, but the case of Mayuri shows that maybe the same happened to his outlook on some stuff.
On the video itself, really good job, though you repeated some stuff a bit much. Good jokes, too. And I'm totally here for more Bleach content.
I aint watching nearly an hour of you being wrong
plotwise his character is garbage, amount of plot armor gadget bullshit he pulls out of his ass in every fight is unreal
Keep coping, Mayuri Wanker.
Guessing you keep you bible close to your chest. All jokes aside it goes to show how good of a character he is that you despise him lol but ey the quincy were the enemy in the begining of the story and when it comes to science well.... it speaks for itself. Thats your own opinion. They arent telling you mayuri is a good guy. Not once did i see that. Hes indifferent thats all.... anything for the pursuit of knowledge