Excellent very informative, really enjoy these videos, reading about these weapons is one thing, but knowing and understanding the technical side is another, thanks for sharing
Interesting this be.. Was just holding the brother to this peice, the one with the slightly longer barrel just last night. And thinking to myself as to why no one made a video/ talk about the cartages to be used. Or to be used for the Hussar model for that matter. Then this appeared, on this dark cold raining morning to add light back into this dark day. Really now Sir. I say you have the ability to read minds of fellow shooters/ history enthusiasts on the other side of the World..! Jolly Good Work, Bravo, and Thank You Sir..!
Would you be able to do a full video on this carbine? I would love to get more details. I own a Pedersoli French An IX De Cavallerie carbine. It is similar to this model but has a longer barrel and stock. Also if I understood correctly, these were 17.1mm caliber? Pedersoli produces these in 17.5mm caliber. It is disappointing knowing they are produced in the wrong caliber if this is correct.
What is the likelihood I am randomly scrolling through my sub list and go huh I wonder what capandball has been up to? And you're the most recent upload out of all my subs. Wtf that's crazy! Great content 😅🤙
May i asked where you got your cartridge box belt? I see you're wearing a white shoulder belt with a cartridge box attached, where do you get/buy it? I wanna purchase it!! 😊
I was wondering about the musket load. 188 grains (12.2g) of 1F (Corse) black powder? My question is: Why there is such a discrepancy between original charges and the suggested charges by Pedersoli? Cleaner, better powder or perhaps just recommended for safety and parts longevity?
The original service charges are close to today's official proof charges. The CIP proof charges and their maximum gas pressures are set by law,. The service charge based on the proof charge is also set by law for each calibre and it is much less than the proof charge, therefore that makers cannot advise a larger service charge, unless the gun is specially proofed. The quality of the Pedersoli repros are higher than the originals (better materials, better quality control, all barrels start from solid gunsteel bars, they are not sheets of iron hammered around a mandrel, etc...) so they witstand higher pressures for sure than the originals,
It seems like the French tended to vary the service loads depending on the quality of the black powder. I can't find any official confirmation, but the story I heard was they had recently changed the powder being used (to simplify logistics, supposedly) and so a higher quantity was needed. A modern equivalent would be like 1f or even cannon grade.
@@jachse8464 Powder quality can change due to many reasons. However I did not find a French war source for changing powder charge weight due to quality issues. But it is not impossible.
I agree. It's hard to tell what is fact and fiction. Hopefully, primary sources will help. Love the carbine, an Indian reproduction of one is next on my to buy list.
Not sure if you mentioned it, but what is the source material for the French cartridges? I can find the US and English official documents, but I can't decide French well enough to find their equivalent.
Good question. In the manuals and contemporary sources I have only found the size of the sheet and the statement that the paper must not be too thick. But nothing more so far.
@@capandball Yes an info not easy to find. so what do you personally use ? Thanks for your answer by the way and your french is not too bad in fact, Vallières is pronounced like "val-yeah-rr" ;)
mm. I actually used two isntructions. The template was made according to the Manuel d'Infanterie of 1808, but the narration is from the 1813 edition as I found that the 1808 instructions give wrong size rfor the large sheet, that was corrected later.
This is the best way to make paper cartridges on a large scale. We can adjust the dimensions of the paper to suit smaller bores. Well done!
You and Ian have the best firearm channels!
Don't forget BritishMuzzleLoaders if you enjoy this type of content.
Awesome & Fascinating 😊
I don't shoot or have a firearm but this is fascinating and your presentations are excellent.
Thank you.
I can see bent ramrods galore from that thing catching on pretty much everything a cavalryman involves.
Sometimes they bent the barrel too.
@@82ismi Doesn't surprise me. That thing needed wood all the way out.
Thanks. I've been looking for this information for a long time. Now I can load my French muskets properly.
Excellent very informative, really enjoy these videos, reading about these weapons is one thing, but knowing and understanding the technical side is another, thanks for sharing
You really have an excellent video series that I really appreciate.
Thanks for sharing this video. That little gun is really cool. I want one. 🙂
thank you for sharing your passion, I love seeing the weapons you present.
Awesome video. Those paper cartridges were very well done. Also nice shooting.
Such a beautiful and handy carbine! 🤌
Interesting this be..
Was just holding the brother to this peice, the one with the slightly longer barrel just last night.
And thinking to myself as to why no one made a video/ talk about the cartages to be used. Or to be used for the Hussar model for that matter.
Then this appeared, on this dark cold raining morning to add light back into this dark day.
Really now Sir. I say you have the ability to read minds of fellow shooters/ history enthusiasts on the other side of the World..!
Jolly Good Work, Bravo, and Thank You Sir..!
Very nice video, thanks a lot.That helped me a lot for my own cartridges
Looks funky and cool, yet at the same time it looks old and new.
A gorgeous piece.
Thanks!
Many thanks for your support! I really appreciate it!
@@capandball
And many thanks for your work. We ALL appreciate it..!
Love your history
Would you be able to do a full video on this carbine? I would love to get more details. I own a Pedersoli French An IX De Cavallerie carbine. It is similar to this model but has a longer barrel and stock. Also if I understood correctly, these were 17.1mm caliber? Pedersoli produces these in 17.5mm caliber. It is disappointing knowing they are produced in the wrong caliber if this is correct.
Yes, clips are filmed, narration is written already. Both carbines should be 17.1 mm cal.
What is the likelihood I am randomly scrolling through my sub list and go huh I wonder what capandball has been up to? And you're the most recent upload out of all my subs. Wtf that's crazy! Great content 😅🤙
Great video as always, thank you. Do you have a video on the carbine?
It will be online in a few weeks.
@@capandball thank you. I look forward to it.
Years ago I had a chance to buy one of these French carbines
For some reason I passed now I’m really kicking myself.
Good video
Awesome!
Good weapon....... good vlog.
May i asked where you got your cartridge box belt? I see you're wearing a white shoulder belt with a cartridge box attached, where do you get/buy it? I wanna purchase it!! 😊
Hi, I made it myself a few years ago.
I was wondering about the musket load. 188 grains (12.2g) of 1F (Corse) black powder? My question is: Why there is such a discrepancy between original charges and the suggested charges by Pedersoli? Cleaner, better powder or perhaps just recommended for safety and parts longevity?
The original service charges are close to today's official proof charges. The CIP proof charges and their maximum gas pressures are set by law,. The service charge based on the proof charge is also set by law for each calibre and it is much less than the proof charge, therefore that makers cannot advise a larger service charge, unless the gun is specially proofed. The quality of the Pedersoli repros are higher than the originals (better materials, better quality control, all barrels start from solid gunsteel bars, they are not sheets of iron hammered around a mandrel, etc...) so they witstand higher pressures for sure than the originals,
It seems like the French tended to vary the service loads depending on the quality of the black powder. I can't find any official confirmation, but the story I heard was they had recently changed the powder being used (to simplify logistics, supposedly) and so a higher quantity was needed. A modern equivalent would be like 1f or even cannon grade.
@@jachse8464 Powder quality can change due to many reasons. However I did not find a French war source for changing powder charge weight due to quality issues. But it is not impossible.
I agree. It's hard to tell what is fact and fiction. Hopefully, primary sources will help. Love the carbine, an Indian reproduction of one is next on my to buy list.
make a video using a marble as ammunition plis
Not sure if you mentioned it, but what is the source material for the French cartridges? I can find the US and English official documents, but I can't decide French well enough to find their equivalent.
Manuel d'Infanterie 1808.
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Would wax paper used for cooking work for this kind of load?.
Why not? But the original paper was not waxed.
Very cool, is it a Pedersoli-Repro?
I baught a Pedersoli Charleville 1777 last year👌🏻
That's an original.
@@capandball Oh looks like it's in amazing condition 👍🏻
Hy Balazs @capandball i don't understand in the video, what kind of paper do you use? Grazie
Hi, it is normal postal wrapping paper.
Now try the baker rifle pls
When I'll have an original or well made repro on hand, I will.
What type of paper is this?
I always wondered what type of paper was used for making those cartridges... Does anyone have the answer ?
Good question. In the manuals and contemporary sources I have only found the size of the sheet and the statement that the paper must not be too thick. But nothing more so far.
@@capandball Yes an info not easy to find. so what do you personally use ?
Thanks for your answer by the way and your french is not too bad in fact, Vallières is pronounced like "val-yeah-rr" ;)
@@herr-jaeger Thanks! The paper I use is normal postal wrapping paper.
What are the units shown on the template? They don't seem to match with the values given by voice.
mm. I actually used two isntructions. The template was made according to the Manuel d'Infanterie of 1808, but the narration is from the 1813 edition as I found that the 1808 instructions give wrong size rfor the large sheet, that was corrected later.
@@capandball I have purchased the Manuel off of Amazon but I am not sure which version it is. Thanks for the info!
@@stevensheldon9271 Steven, don't pay money fro that, they are available for free! Drop me an email and I'll send you both.
Any chance of reviewing much older firearms (15-16th century)?
I have some of those on the channel, for example the tinder lock.
What kind of paper are you using for the cartriges?
Did anyone back then come up with a quicker, less clumsy way to stow that ramrod?
Austrians wore the ramrod on the strap of the cartridge box.
@@capandball Thanks. Curious about the evolution of manual of arms as well as the arms 👍🏼
Is the cartridges for the 1777 AN IX made the same as these?
Yes
very noice
Take care of not losing the raming Rod when loading the musket while riding a horse...
Yes, that raises questions. The Austrian method of attaching the ramrod to the cartridge box strap seemes to me safer.
@@capandball
Some cavalry carbines on both sides during the American Civil War had à specific device to make it captive.
@@savatete4161 Swivel ramrods are good solutions indeed.
Some of the light cavalry carbines were carried butt down. Otherwise the French had an extra strap to secure the butt in the up position.
Did I understand righ that the charge is 7.5 gram? That would be 120 grain.
Yes, exactly.
Where can i get this paper? Cant find it in our local Shops in Germany
That's normal wrapping paper. I think from Italy.
@@capandball thank you! Great Work :)
💯🎖😊
I wonder if the Americans got any of these carbines from the French during our revolution? It would be a lovely one to get in reproduction 😎
Pedersoli makes a fine repro of this model: www.davide-pedersoli.com/en/products/ussaro-mod-1786
Make it