The Swedish 1851 M Kammerlader rifle - History and modern time shooting
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- The chamber loading system was an early variant of the capping or percussion breech loading guns. The Norwegian and Swedish Kammerlader rifles were ones from the very first models to be accepted by an army. Here is the story of the Swedish Kammerlader.
Please support us at / capandball
For buying Capandball Civil War cartridge boxes, cartridge formers, authentic powder measures, rubber arsenal label stamps and US arsenal Stadias: stores.ebay.com...
or the Capandball webpage: capandball.com...
Visit Bloke on the Range: / blokeontherange
Visit Øyvind Flatnes's website: svartkrutt.net...
I find it amazing that this loading mechanism never caught on among other armies outside of Scandanavia. It seems so simple yet effective and seems not to compromise accuracy for rate of fire to any measurable degree.
I know right its way less hassle just gotta count your shots excessive fouling after awhile acts as a barrel obstruction id figure it need a wad cleaning after so many shots but even only adding that its higly effective at throwing lead rapidly compared. be fun to hunt with for sure
The American Army issued M1819 Hall rifle used the same loading system and was converted to cap firing in the 1830’s.
It was a top hammer having originally been a flintlock.
The Hall did not use a camming mechanism to get a better seal. They used thin sheet metal to protect the stock at the front of the chamber. Stupidly enough, the last model (Hall-North) made for the US military was a smooth bore, the earlier versions were rifled. Responsible for an early civil war scandal, they were declared obsolete and sold 5,000 off for $3.50 each, then in the arms panic the US bought them back for $22 each. The .52 caliber barrel was rifled and the chamber was bored out to accept a .58 caliber projectile (yes, chamber only was increased, not bore size), but that work apparently only cost $0.75 per gun.
@@robertlewis8295 The Hall had two slightly angled replaceable recoil lugs that (if properly adjusted) pushed the breech and action together for a metal on metal seal. A couple of centuries wear and tear impede its sealing however in most surviving examples.
The horned helmet design of old must have turned them off from any war equipment designs coming from the region.
I really like how this design actually makes it practical to shoot and reload from the prone.
Not to mention horseback..
probably not harder than other rifles of that era.
@@Bobanbobic Reloading a springfield musket is really hard in prone
@@w0t3rdog This gun is way too fiddly to reload on horseback. There were plenty of similar breech loading weapons made for that reason. This gun is clearly for shooting long ranges quickly and with a good seal.
That has to be the best black powder rifle of its day. Has anyone ever made a reproduction of that one? It would be on my list if it was available. Such an interesting rifle, fast and efficient to load and shoot. Thank you for giving us a closeup look.
Repent to Jesus Christ “Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.”
1 John 2:6 NIV
J
@@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist3 ratio
@@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist3 Hail Satan
@@anthonyhayes1267 Edgy internet atheists thinking saying they worship someone subservient to God will offend Christians
@@apollo1694 cringe pov tbh
i feel sorry for the man.
Your face when the cap failed - I laughed so much at that! I've been there, m8. Absolutely love your content! Thank you for showing the REAL shooting experience - the way it should be.
I've gone from seeing this channel as source of entertainment, to a valuable resource for preserving the usage of historical firearms (while still being wildly entertaining!). Thank you for all that you do and I can't wait for the next video!
Completely agree, his stuff on the Dreyse and the Lorenz is excellent 👍
Cek harga nya bos
@@MrCameronian and
L
Repent to Jesus Christ “Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.”
1 John 2:6 NIV
htt
I really like this rifle. The loading mechanism is unique and easier compared to a traditional muzzleloading one.
"We love everything made of wood, and metal..."
Amen.
I can imagine you as a magician who shows amazing and incredible things ! As you show us amazing and unique and historical firearms ❤love from India brother..🙏
I wished the Kammerlader style came earlier in the flintlock age. I think it would work really well and better than a lot of other breechloader flintlocks.
A gun almost never, ever seen here in the US. It would be something to show up to a black powder military match here with one of those.
I just did the 2022 Cabin Fever challenge using mine. I did not do so well 😜
You just made this swede very happy with this! Your rifle is in stunning condition by the way, congratulations on that.
Amazing. I have never seen anything like that in my 50 years as a firearm enthusiast.
I am Norwegian and it is cool to see a Norwegian designed rifle, it isn’t often.
This is greatly superior than the Springfields and Enfield's that we fought the American Civil War with.
This is now my favorite non-metalic cartridge breach loading mechanism. Utterly brilliant. It must have been quite expensive in it's day because of the precise machining required from what was shown of the mechanism.
Compared to the British Enfield or the US early model muzzle loading rifles, this gun has the potential of a fire rate of at least twice as many rounds per minute. Plus, this gun can be reloaded from prone, which makes it a stellar weapon for use in the new environment of very accurate shoulder arms fired from defensive concealment. The camming system used to move the chamber into the breech to get a good gas seal, along with the hidden hammer and cap placement makes this a great weapon for its time.
With hollow based conical bullets (minie balls), this rifle would have been a winner in the US Civil War, had anyone over here known about it and had it been produced in numbers for export.
I enjoyed the demonstration of this firearm as well as the history of its creation. The pictures that you provided to help describe certain aspects were also appreciated.
The idea of a breech loader may not seem like a big deal to us modern people but back then in an area where brass cartridges were yet a thing, a breech loader opens up a whole new world of combat positioning with little to no weird compromises.
Indiana Jones: *Screaming in the distance.*
Capandball: *Antique treasures go bang bang.*
Seriously one thinks he is loaded, or Europe is a blackpowder gold mine.
I love all these old guns. Thank you so much for putting videos like these on here.
In addition to BlokeOnTheRange's video on the Kammerlader, there's also Mark Novak's videos on bringing a derelict one back to life. The two videos - iirc it's one for the stock and one for the metal work - amply illustrate the kind of cracking you can find on badly worn examples.
I thought that was a repro at first, that gun was insanely well kept for being 180 years old.
Aww.....yes...... 11:29
That looks like one of my expressions when the cap goes snap without the satisfaction of the boom.....😃
Geat video and excellent information
Karl XIV Johan was not a Norwegian king. He was a the first king of the Bernadottes in Sweden and was imported from France to take the empty throne of Sweden. Sweden and Norway was in a personal union at the time so he became automaticly also the king of Norway but he was a Swedish king and teh first one of the present dynasty. You have to research better.
Yes, never call a Bernadotte a Norwegian king... We don't like it 😄🇧🇻
@@asbjrnmaus7666, jag är inte rojalist men tycker ändå info ska vara rätt. Vi får vara glada för att Norges separation från Sverige 1905 skedde fredligt. Bättre att vi är goda grannar än bittra fiender Sverige och Norge.
Ehm, seems like you also have to research better.
Sweden and Norway WAS NOT in a personal union when Karl XIV Johan ascended to the Swedish throne. In fact Norway was in a personal union with Denmark! Karl Johan defeated the Danes and forced them to cede Norway, then when the Norwegians protested he defeated them too and forced the personal union upon them.
It' s bad import... franch/sweden mix, maybe Walenberg family mix some interests
Research > spelling
Thanks for a great bit of history and information on this ignition system and on the rifle.The extra powder tightened the group a lot.Thanks for sharing from Australia
I absolutely love this channel!! Especially when it comes to how you go about doing your reloads. It really helps me and I'm sure countless others who love reloading. It sets me in the right direction and also how to do it! Especially when it comes to old black powder brass cartridges.
paper cartridges are very elegant, and setting aside one Saturday of the week to fire a weapon like that seems to be very good ❤
I have never seen or heard about this method of loading, especially surprised the design/principle already dates back to medieval times!
Subtle flex with Whitworth bullets sitting to the side as he wraps the paper cartridges lol
Funny thing about that: the later M1860 versions of the Kammerlader used smallbore Whitworth Rifled barrels. Thanks to these, they won first and second place in an 1861 military rifle competition held in Belgium: they were hitting the target at 1000m.
"Love everything wood and metal, and comes from Sweden". Growing up in the 1960s, I'm well aware of futuristic (non-plastic) furniture from Scandinavia, that became very popular at that time, both in Europe and America.
Now that is cool! I just noticed that the lever must be on a cam that moves the loaded tube forward in the chamber to provide a better seal, brilliant! Ty C&B!
Kammerlader. 😊
What a amazing rifle and video. Thank you so much. These rifle makes my Gewerh 98 a youth rifle, as your Kammerlader are 66 years older.
I'm amazed that such a beautifully ingenious system was not more widely adopted. Way ahead of its time. Lovely rifle.
Indeed the Kammerlader patent is an excellent example of superb gun smithing.
A note that not all people know, weapons built before 1890 is license free to own in sweden, so a tip for people who like antique rifles/pistols but also precausion cap revolvers like the colt navy.
Oh I see! ...I'm not a shooter so I was curious about that white 'blinker' you were wearing , then I noticed it allowed you to keep both eyes open while firing. You learn something new every day. Wonderful looking rifle, I was trying to work out what Britain was using by comparison in the 1850s [Pattern 1853 Enfield muzzle-loader] and wonder how the Kammerlader compared to the American Hall breech loader? Excellent video (as usual). Thank you.
Held that 4th shot to long I reacon, what a cool piece of history how fun, and very little smoke from that powder
She is a Beauty! Wow that's NICE! Fast and easy to load. Cuts a ragged hole there too.
I've been looking forward to this video since you first announced you had gotten yourself a kammarladdningsgevär m/1851. And as always I found it to be a great video! Well done! I can absolutely understand why it was the Swedish navy that adopted it. I rifle like this must have been ALOT handier to use from the confined spaces on a ship than a standard muzzle loader. Especially for those serving on the smaller coastal vessels meant to defend the different Swedish archipelagos. Many of these were small but crowded gun, bomb and mortar sloops or galleys amongst others. But even on the larger ships breach loaders like this must have been extremely handy for men stationed in the crows nests to snipe at the decks of enemy ships.
A question from Germany: Kammerladdningsgevär is clearly Kammerladungsgewehr in german. Is ,gevär' in military context a battlerifle in contrast to a carbine? In german civilian context ,Gewehr' is the umbrella term for rifle, shotgun and combination gun.
@@brittakriep2938 Gevär means all Two-handed firearms with a long barrel.
@@91rumpnisse : I did my question, because in german weapon terminology, you have to know if military or civilian context is meant, because Gewehr doesn' t mean exactly the same. And : A Seitengewehr is a bayonnet. One of the polearms used in 18th century by infantry officers on foot is in german called ,Kurzgewehr' and in old texts before 1800 it is often unklear, which kind of weapon is meant with ,Gewehr'. Next to my homevillage is a town, which was fortfied until about 1830s. But the gate guards had been mostly allways no soldiers, only citizens who had do do this duty ( everyone for a short time). Some years ago, in a newspaper article you could read, about 1760 from those citizens who had to do this, two of three had their own Gewehr. But had they a Gewehr in modern sense, or was in the old document meant, two of three men had a weapon ( and the poor ones not?). When a german word starts with Ge it means ,a lot of', for example Gesang- a lot of singing, Geschrei- a lot of shouting and so Gewehr - a lot of defence ( sich wehren- to defend yourself/ die Wehr - the weapon).
@@brittakriep2938 Not sure if i fully understand what you are trying to say, but the word "Gevär" is a loanword from German. It got introduced in the 1500s, and it originally had a broader meaning, example it could mean "to arm yourself" or it could be any weapon. But in the 1600s, it came to just mean "Rifle", and pretty much does so even now. We do have compound variations on the word, like Hunting Rifle = Jaktgevär, Sniper Rifle = Prickskyttgevär, Machine Gun = Kulsprutegevär. I don't think the word is used for anything other than just "Rifle".
@@91rumpnisse : I am german, and was not sure if in swedish language Gevär is used in the same way as german Gewehr, because there are sometimes socalled ,false friends'. Now i know, that both the words are used the same way. Sorry, i didn' t wanted to confuse you.
I saw the Norwegians demonstrate their kammerladers years ago, they used the spitzer like the ones for the pillar breech guns
You showed great poise and hit a good shot while being flanked by an enemy at the end there. Nice job soldier
Great video as always. You make creating the cartridge look easy. It takes skill.
Thanks for the video. I just wanted to ask when u would do a video on the almighty Blunderbuss.
If somebody lends me one, I will make one. :)
As a person from *blue and yellow* this video makes me feel *positive emotion*
Super cool black powder rifle!! I am surprised it was not used all over around the world.. I have been fascinated by percussion weapons for a few years but only now came across this beauty
7:32 This type of breech loading cannon also appears in Nusantara. The Majapahit Empire needed a powerful navy in order to protect their vassal states (Majapahit does not conquer foreign land. Instead they asked for yearly stipends, in return Majapahit's strong army and navy will provide protection for those states). So they obtained firearms technology from the Chinese or some historians say from the Mongols and produce them domestically for their navy. The Majapahit and it's successor the Demak Sultanate called this type of cannon as "chetbang". Later on. Chetbang fell out of favour, they replaced it with larger muzzleloading cannons purchased from the Ottoman Empire.
That mis-fire face was hilarious
That's a cool rifle, I know nothing about black powder guns, my knowledge stops at the start of rimfire, but I'm amazed how clever this is!
Wonderful. I love seeing the different ways in which the same problems were overcome.
Ооочень интерная модель , с интереснейшим вариантом зарядки , я занимался изучением эволюции патронов и заряжания оружия ,от перых вариантов со ствольной части первые огнесрелы ,штуцеры и .т.д. и до наших дней и вот такой вариант я вижу впервые , хотя знаю что в переходном капсюльном варианте созданных образцов оружия существовало велое множество пока необразовался унитарный патрон .
Вариант замка "ружья" весьма интересен .И удивляет его идеальное непросто музейное состояние , а то что это вообще действующий образец с четким выстрелом , БРАВО 👏👏👏👏👏👏 ,👍.
The beauty and craftsmanship on that is astonishing
I suspect Mr. McCollum would really like this...
Ah, Kammerlader story told in exquisite hunglish, love it! :D
i have a Norwegian version of that gun, made in 1868 if i remember correctly. somewhat different design in the firing mechanism, it has a firing pin in the block and take cartridges.
it technically works, but never dared to fire it. probably could not even find appropriate ammo. old family heirloom.
What an amazing firearm! I Love the art, design and craftsmanship of antique guns and weapons. When you think of the tools and machines used then that required great skill I’m always impressed. Thank You Kindly and keep your powder shooting so we can enjoy and learn more! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
If anyone of You ever going to Stockholm, then visit Swedish Army Museum. You will see there a lot of wonders. You will need a whole day to see everything there. Go early in the morning as soon as they open.
Im really curious if this would be considered a "Black powder rifle" in Canada... thats way nicer then a traditional muzzle loader
In Sweden, where it's made, you need a license for a replica, but non for an authentic pre-1890 black powder firearm. One of the few good things with the Swedish gun law.
Funny 5 minutes ago I was content...... now I have a new obsession... thanks a lot 😃.... I love sweden
All of your videos are superb as well as extremely interesting.
WOW! So the slug is in the pack of powder charge, fkng SWEET!👏👏👏👏👍👍👍
Greetings from Suriname .
I like these old guns
This is probably the first very well suceed attempt of making a more pratical reload system before cartridge implementation. Very nice shape gun. Cheers!
I saw a lot of old guns but I never saw this. Greetings from Poland
The US Army had Hall rifles and carbines were first adopted in 1819 as Flintlocks they later became ca0 locks. During the American Revolutionary War (1775-1783) a British LC Ferguson developed a breech loading system and deployed a battalion armed with them; the idea was dropped with his death during the war. Both worked reasonably well.. I will state this has advantages; however Prussia adopted a bolt action breech loader during the same decade.
This seems very similar, at least in basic concept to the American Hall Breech Loading rifle, adopted in 1819, though the Hall rifle only swings open about 15-30 degrees instead of the 90 degree flip of the Kammerlader.
It's always interesting to see the different tactics of each country, as viewed through the equipment they carry. Especially in the later half of the 1800s, such a wide variety of firearm design like this one,, reflecting the fighting style of each military.
Have fun with the german state's:)
@@HzgtSM: In last innergerman tribal war 1866, Austria and its allies used ,Süddeutsches Konventionskaliber' of 13,9 mm. But the used lead , bullets ' had not been the the same in every state.
@@brittakriep2938 I know, I from one of those states and they actually didn't have all the same Caliber in use, not even comparable armament, as for example: my duchy went into the war with new M/62 Dreyse Rifles they got from Prussia just some years earlier.
@@HzgtSM I , Brittas boyfriend, am from Württemberg. We had, like Austria, Bavaria, Kingdom Saxony, Baden and Hessen- Darmstadt 13,9 mm muzzleloaders. So basicly our troops could use paper cartridges of noted states, but i don' t know if the different balls ( for example Lorenz for Austria and Saxony or Podewils for Bavaria,) had been optimized for every rifle type. In 8th Bundeskorps ( Württemberg, Baden and Hessen- Darmstadt) all contingents used the Vereinsgewehr, but not totally the same Version.
@@brittakriep2938scheint wir teilen die selben Interessen. Ich kann durchaus das Buch: Militärgewehre und Pistolen der deutschen Staaten 1800-1870 von Hans Dieter Götz empfehlen. Viele gute Informationen und auch Bilder. War mehr oder weniger immer go to Materialien während des Studiums.
Desweiteren kann ich auch nur empfehlen das Vorderlader schießen selbst zu tun. Habe mir ernst neulich das die Pedersoli 1857 gekauft, aus eben den Interesse am D-D Krieg und aber natürlich auch wegen der guten Performance :)
Und auch Sachsen kaufte in 1858 (oder um den Dreh rum) eine Pressmaschiene für Podewils Geschosse sowie auch die Österreicher. Beide Staaten nutzen im Krieg von 1866 tatsächlich mehr Podewils Geschosse als wie man meinen mag.
thank you for your great presentation .I love old black powder guns .They have an amazing history
What a beautiful and interesting design
I was worried this wouldn’t come. This is one beautiful rifle and I need one before I die
That is such a cool loading system.
Ingenious mechanism. How did this not become a standard? And why is this the first time I've seen this...
great video about a great Rifle.
I saw many other channels where they always complained about the gas sealing, and that it was not very well designed.
When I see your shooting, it looks almost perfect 👍👍
Thanks for another guns history lesson, wrapped in good entertainment
I've been waiting for a good video featuring the Kammerlader, thanks!
That is really nice , probably my favorite bp single barrel that I have seen to date. I can see it being a joy to hunt with , the protected nipple will stay dry with less effort in nasty weather . I do think the paper or skin cartridge is giving a slightly inconsistent bullet presentation when loaded. Maybe add a parallel knot to even out that slight interference on the bullet . The devil is in the details they say.
I've actually seen a video on how the Norwegian cartridges were formed. Here's the RUclips video ID: /watch?v=3B268rivyX4
It's a pretty weird cartridge, so I'll describe it as best as I can. The cartridge is "upside down" in a way. The bullet is at the bottom, and the powder is on top. The section of the cartridge that holds the powder has a stiffer cardboard rolled with it to strengthen and aid in the usage of the cartridge. To use, the tail (which is on the top of the cartridge instead of the bottom) is torn off and the powder poured into the chamber. The cartridge is then flipped around and the bullet seated in the chamber with the paper surrounding the bullet forming a reasonable seal. The excess paper is torn off (the stiffer cardboard making this step easier), and the breech closed.
EDIT: InRangeTV has just release a video about using 1853 Enfield & Pritchett cartridges, and they function using the same principle. Here's their video ID: /watch?v=Vfor5R5dvWo
The reversed bullet was specifically to stop the conical bullets from wearing a hole in the 10-round paper packet they were supplied in.
My favourite gun channel of RUclips!
I like the 72 grain load more than the 60 grain one. It just already sounds crisp and firm, it just sounds 'right'
Bravo.......it's easy when they arnt shooting at u ........hats off to the guys who had to fight with cap and ball.....clever gun.......cheers
You bring us the coolest stuff 😎
Amazing, i have never seen anything like this, love the channel
The first rule of black powder loading: NEVER, EVER fit the percussion cap first, always last. But I see the reasoning with this kammerlader. Fitting the cap requires pressure, friction and manipulation of it and accidents can happen. It may be safer to load the cap first, but I shall always feel serously uncomfortable.
Thanks man for vid.. so what a heavy barrel.. what the nice gun.. soft voice..👍
Those woods sure look nice as well. Where a person can go out and shoot their gun.
Very clever design. The big advantage (imo) would have been, that you didn't need to stand upright to load it, and didn't need a ramrod anymore.
Simple but freedom arms for its own emunition sistem. Thanks to the inventor for his great independence thinking.
First time I see this kind of rifle! A very modern one for mid-nineteenth century.
Imagine a firearm that could be loaded and fired from a prone position, not giving away one's position, and this before the civil war.
Uberty ? Should make a copy sweet rifle
Toujours d’aussi belles vidéos ,avec des armes atypiques.la poudre noire n’a pas fini de séduire !!
Very good system! The only awkward part is placing the primer cap !
Yes, tricky part. Especially when you have a misfire.
Another excellent video revue, your rifle is in pristine condition.
Beautiful, I was lucky enough to shoot a Norwegian one at a military black powder shoot in Tennessee last year.
Almost every manufactured thing from Sweden is simply perfection-cars,rifles,fighter-planes,tanks or AA-Guns. Not over-egineered like some stuff from Germany,just focusing on functionality and the stuff just doesn't break 😅
Wow! What an amazing mechanism. Ive never seen this style before.
Similar to an American design from about 1820. Saw it on forgotten weapons website.
Very nice rifle and good shooting
Oh the ball or conical bullet is all ready in the paper tube. I couldn't figure out where the bullet was coming from at first.
Such a beautiful rifle! I want to see you use it in "combat" conditions, running and advancing or retreating from a target or targets.
This is from those times the troops marched at each other and shot when they were close, no hiding or running.
Wow, this may obsolete muzzle loaders altogether! Something Ruger 10/22ish about the profile.
I would love to get one of these for my collection. I love these sorts strange and different rifles.
If this rifle made it's way to any side during the civil war it would have drastically turned the tide of the conflict to whoever had it
I may be wrong here, but I'm also guessing that some aspects of the later needle-guns (like the Dreyse and the Chassepot) were actually inspired by the Kammerlader.