@B A Yeah, this totally makes the Spencer and Henry rifles look pre-historic. Can you hear my eyes rolling? Don't get me wrong, the Feldstutzer is a fine rifle, but it is technologically inferior to something like the Sharps rifle.
ostiariusalpha You might need to specify which Sharps you're referring to.Though, on the whole I agree with you except for the "superior technology" bit. There are a few arguments against that statement. The Feldstutzer or, to use it's correct name, Eidgenössischer Stutzer 1851, was essentially the last of it's kind. The muzzle-loading technology was perfected and ballistics were understood by that time. That said, I don't think there was a better "suited-to-it's task" military rifle in existence in the middle of the 19th century. The Swiss tend to do things very right. They opted for dependable technology rather than unproven ideas and only went to a breechloader when it had definite demonstrable advantages over a muzzle loader. A sound, well reasoned choice. For the same reason that they didn't develop something like the Sharps, they didn't go for a needle rifle. The technology just wasn't good enough. The result was an excellent, well liked and extraordinarily accurate rifle, on parr with the Withworth yet quite a bit cheaper to make. That actually was an argument, as Switzerland, was by no means a wealthy country then as it certainly is today. Some of the Eidgenössischer Stutzer 1851 were converted in 1867 to a Milbank-Amsler breech loading conversion but this idea was soon dropped in favour of- and replaced with the Repetiergewehr Vetterli Modell 1869/70. (Literally, so was the reasoning, to be able to "outshoot" the Prussians, should these invade.) The comparison of Swiss military weapons to their more or less contemporary American equivalents should really take the very different military doctrines, battle orders, size of the population and projected enemies into account. It should suffice to say that the USA didn't face an aggressive and expansionist Prussia. I'm sure Geronimo was a tough man to fight, but, with all due respect to the chief, he was no Möltke.
@@roanhielkema5714 I disagree almost completely. If the task is to accurately kill as many soldiers, as quickly as possible, then even the earliest Sharps was more "suited-to-its-task" then the Feldstutzer. And that is despite the obnoxious gas leak from the breech (which really wasn't any worse than a flintlock), though even there it was dealt with soon enough by a platinum ring to obdurate and seal the breech. By the time of the American Civil War, which was B A's point of reference, the Sharps completely outclassed the Eidgenössischer Stutzer 1851 as a weapon of war.
Just got around to this one. Another great presentation, thank you. To my eyes I think this might be the most handsome of all the muzzle loaders you've featured. Simple, tasteful lines and the accuracy to boot. Exudes Swiss hallmarks all the way.
This is one of your best videos. I could listen to you talk about paper cartridges for hours. Absolutely enthralling. Even before you mentioned the published paper I was thinking that this was serious scholarship at work.
I don't want to ruffle any feathers and this opinion may come from a place of ignorance but this is some of the purest forms of shooting I have seen. I know it's impossible to truly compare all the shooting disciplines as they are so varied but this is beautiful. So much involvement with the ammunition, its construction, composition and use. The rifles are interesting historical or reproduction pieces and to see this old technology still being used for sporting purposes is nothing short of wonderful. The video was very well made too. I can see the sheer enjoyment our host gets from this type of shooting and who can blame him. 1st class stuff from beginning to end.
Just want to let you know, the improvement of your video quality is very noticeable. Also, your English seems drastically better and easier to understand than your older vids. Keep it up man!
Chokolom brother..! in addition to the usual wonderful and historical content,, look at the face of this man... clearly can tell he is a noble person with good manners. Greetings from Yemen
Excellent video! I know putting this together was a LOT of work and editing, so thank you for sharing this work with USAF’s letting us enjoy these shooting experiences with you.
Excellent review of an exquisite rifle! I have one of the "modern made" versions, made by Vollmer in the late 1970's or early 1980's. My understanding is that they were one of the original companies that made the 1851 Feldstutzer, and they found a hidden cache of original parts in the factory. So they assembled them into about 1,300 complete guns, which were sold as the Schweizer Feldstutzer 1851 Oberndorfer Modell.
From the early 1860's the British took over. Sir Joseph Whitworth was the one researching the relation between bullet length and twist rate and cane to the .451 caliber long bullet and 1:20" drall. These were a real long range rifles still used on competition up to 1200 yards today.
I already thought you abandoned making videos :) niece shooting, the only thing that I would add is that these Feldstutzers are super uncomfortable to shoot from the rest because of buttstock shape.. they were primarily designed to be shot from standing position. I had very similar results on 100meters with the 1856/59 Jagersgewehr.. cheers Balazs and thanks for posting!
capandball Yes . I was looking at how the top of the butt dug into your shoulder,and I was going to ask if you were going to film the bruise. Absolutely beautiful rifle. Pleased you posted something new. Cheers.
Phenomenal. You should include all these demonstrations in all of your videos. Would you consider doing these types of tests with other interesting rifles you have presented before on your channel? For example the Jäguer, Lorenz, Whitworth, etc. Thanks for everything you do.
Researching is a tricky process. When you finish a study, you immediately know that it is incomplete. So I will continue in the same manner for sure. :)
I'd like to see this guy meet up with Iraqveteran8888 more, actually. Those guys seem to have more fun out on the range with black powder and 19 century artillery. Ian is a meme. (he is also in an antifa group)
while both are great I don't feel that capandball and Forgotten weapons would mix as well as he would with bloke on the range or Rob from Britishmuzzleloaders. Its one thing to explain the functioning and components of a firearm which Ian does beautifully, but Britishmuzzleloaders and capandball take the time to recreate the historical context in which the weapon and ammunition is used. It would be interesting to see capandball do more of the analysis of the Infantryman's uniform and fighting equipment of the eastern European armies that most of the rifles he shows belonged to the way britishmuzzleloaders does. Show less REPLY
I would add that a smaller caliber bullet does not necessarily mean a lighter bullet. You must know that a longer bullet is heavier than a round ball of the same caliber. Longer and smaller bullets increased ballistic coefficient and increased downrange performance, as well as allowing more surface area for the rifling to grip.
Speaking of the French Minie rifles, will you do a video on those? There's plently of footage of American and British rifle muskets on the internet, but very little on the rifle from the country that invented the Minie bullet!
Amazing video as always, it's truly a pleasure watching those magnificent works of art in action. One question: Why did you shoot at 300 m with an elevation for 400 Schritte (ca. 240 m) rather than starting at 500 Schritte (ca. 300 m)? Also amazing grouping, most of our platoon got worse ones at 300 m with the modern rifle...
If you put a small hollow dimple at the end of the dowel used for wrapping the cartridge paper you can twist the end of the paper, crush it closed with the dimple, instead of closing with the glue.
Am working up one of these with a .395 bullet paper patched. 70 grains of FFFg. First three shots went into two-inches. Shall back off powder charge: the buttplate is NOT intended for bench shooting.
She is indeed! Imagine when we started the civil war cartridge box project: the belt grinder and the drill machine were installed in the middle of the kitchen :) she loved it :D
and again a very nice video . More of that please. I like that you use the historical korrekt cartridges. So we can all see how acurate that was. Maybe you could make atest with a longrifle too.
As always a very informative quality video on another historic rifle. Love your work and channel content. Please keep the videos coming. Looking forward to what you will be doing next. Your hunting videos are great. Thank you for all your hard work keep it up.
Great video! Gorgeous rifle, and amazingly accurate. Pedersoli needs to do a replica of that model (assuming they haven't already...need to check the site again.) because original 1851 Feldstutzers are a little thin on the ground on this side of the pond.
very interesting, had been finding silver war bullets w my metal detector and i hope to find some reliks used to load these rifles. i started watching videos about to learn about it.
AGP! I have an original Smith Carbine coming in 2 weeks and have to find your video about it, hopefully it's as detailed as this on. Could you speak about your shooting glasses?
"Excellent!" and "Damn good start" I can tell you get excited when the groups are good. It must have been hot that day as you appear to be sweating a bit. Do you think the heat could have been effecting the accuracy? Please bring us more.
whoa didnt know after all this time, they add a piece of cloth or paper with the round. Always thought it was the powder, no wonder the round didnt fall out when the rifle pointed down worth
I would pad out the powder with something relatively inert like sawdust to be able to use the original ramrod. shouldn't hurt anything, just will foul out quicker.
Ok that's cool and all but where do I get those dope shooting glasses? I've seen blinders on the sides before but never a little ring you look through.
That is incredible precision for a black powder firearm. What I'm curious about is how do you black powder enthusiasts know the approximate velocities of these weapons as of course there were no chronographs in that era. Do you work out the required velocities based upon the weight of the projectiles and the powder charge required for the projectile to get out to the 300m distances using the maximum elevation of the sights?
The historical accuracy of your channel is phenomenal. Thank you! the European Forgotten weapons!
Yeah. I wish for a cooperation with gun jesus one day.
Except, none of this is "forgotten."
Great and comprehensive. Loved it. Interesting how different and unrelated countries gravitated to similar cartridge styles....
That's convergent evolution, my dude. Same way different cultures created similar weapons like knives, swords, and spears.
With such a certain and scientific diagnosis, it's a wonder that the United States skipped that chromosome....
@B A Yeah, this totally makes the Spencer and Henry rifles look pre-historic. Can you hear my eyes rolling? Don't get me wrong, the Feldstutzer is a fine rifle, but it is technologically inferior to something like the Sharps rifle.
ostiariusalpha You might need to specify which Sharps you're referring to.Though, on the whole I agree with you except for the "superior technology" bit. There are a few arguments against that statement. The Feldstutzer or, to use it's correct name, Eidgenössischer Stutzer 1851, was essentially the last of it's kind. The muzzle-loading technology was perfected and ballistics were understood by that time. That said, I don't think there was a better "suited-to-it's task" military rifle in existence in the middle of the 19th century. The Swiss tend to do things very right. They opted for dependable technology rather than unproven ideas and only went to a breechloader when it had definite demonstrable advantages over a muzzle loader. A sound, well reasoned choice. For the same reason that they didn't develop something like the Sharps, they didn't go for a needle rifle. The technology just wasn't good enough. The result was an excellent, well liked and extraordinarily accurate rifle, on parr with the Withworth yet quite a bit cheaper to make. That actually was an argument, as Switzerland, was by no means a wealthy country then as it certainly is today. Some of the Eidgenössischer Stutzer 1851 were converted in 1867 to a Milbank-Amsler breech loading conversion but this idea was soon dropped in favour of- and replaced with the Repetiergewehr Vetterli Modell 1869/70. (Literally, so was the reasoning, to be able to "outshoot" the Prussians, should these invade.) The comparison of Swiss military weapons to their more or less contemporary American equivalents should really take the very different military doctrines, battle orders, size of the population and projected enemies into account. It should suffice to say that the USA didn't face an aggressive and expansionist Prussia. I'm sure Geronimo was a tough man to fight, but, with all due respect to the chief, he was no Möltke.
@@roanhielkema5714 I disagree almost completely. If the task is to accurately kill as many soldiers, as quickly as possible, then even the earliest Sharps was more "suited-to-its-task" then the Feldstutzer. And that is despite the obnoxious gas leak from the breech (which really wasn't any worse than a flintlock), though even there it was dealt with soon enough by a platinum ring to obdurate and seal the breech. By the time of the American Civil War, which was B A's point of reference, the Sharps completely outclassed the Eidgenössischer Stutzer 1851 as a weapon of war.
Never before have i heard a voice that made the reading of technical speculations sound interesting and entertaining.
If an officer in Switzerland orders: shoot the enemy on the eye! Then the soldier asks: Left or right?
First reply I guess.
No comment?
Right.
@@daveybass655 your right or my right ?
@@oppy8811 yup.
Your dedication and the excellency of the results you present us with match the superb quality of this rifle perfectly. Compliments from Switzerland!
Just got around to this one. Another great presentation, thank you. To my eyes I think this might be the most handsome of all the muzzle loaders you've featured. Simple, tasteful lines and the accuracy to boot. Exudes Swiss hallmarks all the way.
That’s the quality content I’ve been waiting for
This is one of your best videos. I could listen to you talk about paper cartridges for hours. Absolutely enthralling. Even before you mentioned the published paper I was thinking that this was serious scholarship at work.
You speak such beautiful english! You speak with such proper grammar but your phrasing is perfect! I love it! Wonderful to listen to!
I really enjoy your channel those old Firearms are fascinating
I like looking up old rifles and revolvers, a lot of history and craftsmanship to see.
I don't want to ruffle any feathers and this opinion may come from a place of ignorance but this is some of the purest forms of shooting I have seen. I know it's impossible to truly compare all the shooting disciplines as they are so varied but this is beautiful. So much involvement with the ammunition, its construction, composition and use. The rifles are interesting historical or reproduction pieces and to see this old technology still being used for sporting purposes is nothing short of wonderful. The video was very well made too. I can see the sheer enjoyment our host gets from this type of shooting and who can blame him. 1st class stuff from beginning to end.
Thank you for a fascinating video. That rifle is beautiful and so is your marksmanship!!
I love how detailed these videos are, really well done. Also they are very relaxing to watch.
Just want to let you know, the improvement of your video quality is very noticeable. Also, your English seems drastically better and easier to understand than your older vids. Keep it up man!
Chokolom brother..!
in addition to the usual wonderful and historical content,,
look at the face of this man... clearly can tell he is a noble person with good manners.
Greetings from Yemen
Excellent video! I know putting this together was a LOT of work and editing, so thank you for sharing this work with USAF’s letting us enjoy these shooting experiences with you.
Excellent review of an exquisite rifle! I have one of the "modern made" versions, made by Vollmer in the late 1970's or early 1980's. My understanding is that they were one of the original companies that made the 1851 Feldstutzer, and they found a hidden cache of original parts in the factory. So they assembled them into about 1,300 complete guns, which were sold as the Schweizer Feldstutzer 1851 Oberndorfer Modell.
Interesting to see the loading process and some nice shooting..
This weapon probably has the best long-range perfomance you could get out of an muzzle-loaded black powder rifle.
Last video on the duelist1954 channel shows flintlock kentucky rifle hits foot-long gong at 250 yards. Standing position.
From the early 1860's the British took over. Sir Joseph Whitworth was the one researching the relation between bullet length and twist rate and cane to the .451 caliber long bullet and 1:20" drall. These were a real long range rifles still used on competition up to 1200 yards today.
Thanks for more high quality history!
Really enjoyed the history and shooting. Well done thanks.
Awesome video 👍 and thank you for all the time and effort you put into making it. 😃
I already thought you abandoned making videos :) niece shooting, the only thing that I would add is that these Feldstutzers are super uncomfortable to shoot from the rest because of buttstock shape.. they were primarily designed to be shot from standing position. I had very similar results on 100meters with the 1856/59 Jagersgewehr.. cheers Balazs and thanks for posting!
I second that! My shoulder still hurts. The rifle is standing position only.
capandball Yes . I was looking at how the top of the butt dug into your shoulder,and I was going to ask if you were going to film the bruise.
Absolutely beautiful rifle. Pleased you posted something new. Cheers.
Always love learning about these older guns, super cool
That is one beautiful piece. On a sidenote, here in Sweden we refer to hunting rifles in the class meant for moose as "Studsare"
Phenomenal. You should include all these demonstrations in all of your videos.
Would you consider doing these types of tests with other interesting rifles you have presented before on your channel? For example the Jäguer, Lorenz, Whitworth, etc.
Thanks for everything you do.
Researching is a tricky process. When you finish a study, you immediately know that it is incomplete. So I will continue in the same manner for sure. :)
@@capandball
Thank you.
It's alive!! Everyone the smoke master is back🙏. Btw huge fan.
You should use that rifle and load hunting wild boar, I would like to see how well it works.
fantastic video yet again! and i think its a HUGE improvement that youve also started firing at 200 and 300 meters now.
An excellent rifle for an excellent marksman! That 300 meter group was VERY impressive
I just cant believe how accurate those rifles are.....Awesome video
You should do a collaboration video with Ian from Forgotten weapons .
Or with Mike from Bloke on the range. If you don't know him, he lives in Switzerland and makes video about swiss firearms and history.
@Samule Pasche Never heard of him but i definitely have to check him out, thanks. Greetings from Switzerland
I don't remember how long ago but Ian did recommend cap and ball as part of 4 gun channels he was recommending!
I'd like to see this guy meet up with Iraqveteran8888 more, actually. Those guys seem to have more fun out on the range with black powder and 19 century artillery. Ian is a meme. (he is also in an antifa group)
while both are great I don't feel that capandball and Forgotten weapons would mix as well as he would with bloke on the range or Rob from Britishmuzzleloaders. Its one thing to explain the functioning and components of a firearm which Ian does beautifully, but Britishmuzzleloaders and capandball take the time to recreate the historical context in which the weapon and ammunition is used. It would be interesting to see capandball do more of the analysis of the Infantryman's uniform and fighting equipment of the eastern European armies that most of the rifles he shows belonged to the way britishmuzzleloaders does.
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your videos are getting better and better mate just great work !
Your videos are works of art. Thank-you, good sir!
Another excellent video, many thanks for taking the time to make them!
Your videos certainly have a comprehensive and romantic quality to them.
Very interesting. I really enjoy your channel, keep up the good work. 👍👍
Andrew Dalton Ray damn, i see you under every video i watch.
I would add that a smaller caliber bullet does not necessarily mean a lighter bullet. You must know that a longer bullet is heavier than a round ball of the same caliber. Longer and smaller bullets increased ballistic coefficient and increased downrange performance, as well as allowing more surface area for the rifling to grip.
I love your channel, and the educational aspects of it !
You most certainly are a firearms expert.
your channel is awesome mr. Balázs (and team), please keep the content coming! Köszönöm, and greetings from Slovakia.
Speaking of the French Minie rifles, will you do a video on those? There's plently of footage of American and British rifle muskets on the internet, but very little on the rifle from the country that invented the Minie bullet!
Swiss cheese = people on the other end of that barrel
If only Swiss Cheese had one, central hole, then yes. :D
Defeats the purpose.
@ICE It's a rifle tho.
Should get smoothbore if you want buck
Amazing video as always, it's truly a pleasure watching those magnificent works of art in action. One question: Why did you shoot at 300 m with an elevation for 400 Schritte (ca. 240 m) rather than starting at 500 Schritte (ca. 300 m)?
Also amazing grouping, most of our platoon got worse ones at 300 m with the modern rifle...
Fantastic shooting and rifle.
Well worth the wait! Very nice video!
If you put a small hollow dimple at the end of the dowel used for wrapping the cartridge paper you can twist the end of the paper, crush it closed with the dimple, instead of closing with the glue.
Szia Balázs! Nagyon precíz és tanulsáos videó, ahogy azt tőled megszokhattuk. Csak így tovább! Üdv: Barni
Excellent grouping!
Am working up one of these with a .395 bullet paper patched. 70 grains of FFFg. First three shots went into two-inches. Shall back off powder charge: the buttplate is NOT intended for bench shooting.
I love the ammunition videos. You wife is very understanding of your cooking in the kitchen :)
She is indeed! Imagine when we started the civil war cartridge box project: the belt grinder and the drill machine were installed in the middle of the kitchen :) she loved it :D
Exellent as all capandball videos.
As always....excellent. First class production.
Holy crap...once Pedersoli starts production of this, it will become standard for military rifle competitions...
No chance, caliber is too small, and the set trigger also disqualifys the rifle from military events.
@@capandball Okay then, my newly purchased Enfield 1858 still being good choice for competition :D
so cool!
it seems it was use by our bersaglieri too in the war of unification!
I saw a Tuscan batalion using it in a book
It's Swiss, of course it will be made to a high standard. That is a beautiful rifle.
Finally! So happy to see another video.
Always a pleasure to watch you! Greetings.
Király fegyó, köszi a videót!
and again a very nice video . More of that please. I like that you use the historical korrekt cartridges. So we can all see how acurate that was. Maybe you could make atest with a longrifle too.
Your Hungarian accent is quite lovely actually, and I enjoy listening it.
As always a very informative quality video on another historic rifle. Love your work and channel content. Please keep the videos coming. Looking forward to what you will be doing next. Your hunting videos are great. Thank you for all your hard work keep it up.
Great video! Gorgeous rifle, and amazingly accurate. Pedersoli needs to do a replica of that model (assuming they haven't already...need to check the site again.) because original 1851 Feldstutzers are a little thin on the ground on this side of the pond.
I love history, and we all know weapons are an integral part of it.
Glad to have stumbled upon your channel. :))
finally! been waiting so long for a new video I'm glad it was a good one!
Bought one at a gun show this spring. So far I've been unable to find a mould for it, but I intend to change that.
Accurate molds has it, yo just need to source a Hollow base pin and fit it to the mold.
Another rifle I need in my collection
This rifle is a beauty! Except for that sheep tallow and lard lubricant...
It made me remember about the 'Sepoy Mutiny'.
very interesting, had been finding silver war bullets w my metal detector and i hope to find some reliks used to load these rifles. i started watching videos about to learn about it.
AGP! I have an original Smith Carbine coming in 2 weeks and have to find your video about it, hopefully it's as detailed as this on.
Could you speak about your shooting glasses?
Great video about Swiss rifle
Great video. Excellent shooting ! I love these beautiful old firearms.
"Excellent!" and "Damn good start" I can tell you get excited when the groups are good. It must have been hot that day as you appear to be sweating a bit. Do you think the heat could have been effecting the accuracy? Please bring us more.
Finally a new vid 👍👍👍
You sir are a pro for sure.
Awesome rifle and some awesome shooting. Thanks for the video!
Beautiful weapon and awesome history lesson!
Yes I’ve been waiting for a new video
Very nice rifle and shooting. Could you post the weights & velocity in US measures please?
Interesting to see the muzzle is target-ressesed just like the much later Schmidt Rubin.
Nice shooting
A beautiful rifle all around!
Outstanding! I really enjoyed this video. A very interesting weapon.
Outstanding and very informative video. Excellent presentation. KUDOS.
whoa didnt know after all this time, they add a piece of cloth or paper with the round. Always thought it was the powder, no wonder the round didnt fall out when the rifle pointed down worth
2-3 moa looks like. Very impressive... Damn nice shooting.
Dam low but accurate! Glad to see you found something of interest .
I would pad out the powder with something relatively inert like sawdust to be able to use the original ramrod. shouldn't hurt anything, just will foul out quicker.
Wow, so accurate. A beauty too.
Ok that's cool and all but where do I get those dope shooting glasses? I've seen blinders on the sides before but never a little ring you look through.
That is incredible precision for a black powder firearm. What I'm curious about is how do you black powder enthusiasts know the approximate velocities of these weapons as of course there were no chronographs in that era. Do you work out the required velocities based upon the weight of the projectiles and the powder charge required for the projectile to get out to the 300m distances using the maximum elevation of the sights?
That's a beautiful rifle.
Just found your channel like now and how have I not heard about you 🤔 but I like how you present your video you have earned a subscriber
Thanks for sharing! Love this stuff
How they manage to get that Performance with such old technology... And after 170 years still a beast... Is incomprehensible.
"Further than New York from Budapest" Hahaha!!! Great video, the performance of that rifle, the accuracy, is incredible.
Any advice on making an 11 rimmed cartridge? May be purchasing an 1851 Feldstutzer converted to this.
Pedersolli should sell a reproduction of this rifle. Many people would enjoy owning it. I enjoyed the video. Good work.
where dit you get your repro buholzer mould? ive been looking for one for months.
Excellently done, thank you.