The highway to hell match up entirely depends on what the "calamity" actually is that Wonder of U causes. Maybe in McQueen's case his calamity would be regaining his will to live rendering him powerless. After all he wants to commit not living, so for him misfortune might be things normal people would consider fortunate and things people consider fortunate are misfortune to McQueen.
@@fg009letyrds8 Maybe. I can't comment because I haven't actually gotten to the Toru / Wonder of U fight myself. My theory is something I pulled out of my ass without knowing what I'm even talking about. Just like all other Jojo theories.
@@ValetinoLovebird I know what you mean by "hot wife" but I've stared into the abyss that is the internet for so long my mind wandered to a different meaning of that term. A hot wife or hotwife refers to the wife of a cuckold. As in a wife that will cheat on their husband with their husbands consent? So the term "hot wife" feels very gross to me. You should probably start saying beautiful wife or just pray that you forget this piece of cursed knowledge. I know I have.
It doesn't actually make things go wrong in that sense, by Calamity it's like the world is against you. Cars, raindrops, water, etc.. they'll all have a mysterious reason for attacking you because of Calamity.
As much as I agree with some of these points, I have one reason why I don't think these would work. Lucy Steel looked at Toru ONCE as she was RUNNING AWAY from him. WW2 immediately started after that. Illuso couldn't even get Toru into the mirror world without exploding into smithereens or having some loony tunes piano fall onto him. Sheer Heart Attack is still objectively pursuit, but even if Sheer Heart Attack wouldn't be under the affects of WOU, Kira would be since he'd have to actively summon it. Considering karmic retribution, he'd probably encounter an ambulance quite soon. They just both die of highway to hell goes off lmao. Tusk would have a good shot but Johnny legitimately died due to calamity so I highly doubt he'd have a chance. FYI none of this is meant to be accusatory or rude, I'm just throwing my hat into the ring.
I have some takes about the stands you choose to go up against Wonder of u, and I will give my take on this Wonder of u vs man in the mirror. First thing first, you said calamity only works within the real world. Now I have to say there’s no statements for that to be true because in all universes are applied by universal laws like logic, for instance, and calamity is part of that logic, so as long as logic exists, calamity shall also exist as well. Just because in the mirror dimension there’s no life forms, that does not mean the laws of the universe do not exist within his mirror dimension. For example, man in the mirror still has to use his abilities within the mirror dimension, which to my knowledge is logic based, so the laws of logic still exist within that dimension, so there shall be calamity as well. And remember when Illuso thought he pulled in Leone Abbacchio but was in fact his stand? moody blues, which can still use his ability in the mirror dimension and the real world, which is also logic based, one can argue if man in the mirror pulled in Toru or God forbid Wonder of u in the mirror dimension, calamity shall also work as well, and I need to mention this Illuso never fought against a stand user with their ability being automatic because unlike all the stands he fought with, none of them were automatic abilities, so one can argue that even if he brings in Toru to his dimension and leaves Wonder of u behind, calamity shall still attack him in his dimension because logic, aka calamity, shall still exist within his dimension, and calamity doesn’t just protect Wonder of u automatically; it also protects Toru automatically as well, and calamity does not need no activation by the user to attack the pursuer, and there is one life form in that dimension, and that’s the user Illuso, so calamity could influence his mind to make a simple mistake like bring in a calamity unknowingly into his mirror dimension, which could be the end of him because after all, for Illuso to attack Wonder of u or Toru, he must first pursue to use said ability, and by the time Illuso grabs Toru or Wonder of u, a calamity has already been in position to attack Illuso, and if you still don’t believe calamity can manifest in the mirror dimension and you believe calamity can only manifest in the real world, right? So if Toru is in the mirror dimension and Illuso attacks Toru, then how can a calamity reach him from another dimension? Well, it’s simple: whatever happens in the real world reflects on the dimension world. Do you see what I’m getting at? All a calamity has to do is use the surroundings in the real world to attack Illuso in the dimension world, like suddenly a calamity manifests in the real world. And does something like destroys a brickwall in the real world and the debris just goes everywhere and it just happens to hit the pursuer in the mirror dimension, or it could’ve manifested in many ways in the real world to attack Illuso, and that’s just if you think calamity would react to Toru getting attacked in the mirror dimension and taking actions in the real world, but even so, there’s another way to attack and defeat Illuso in the mirror dimension. And it doesn’t involve a calamity at all. Let me remind you that Toru can see what Wonder of u sees, and the same can be said for Wonder of u now since Toru can see where Illuso location is at. Wonder of u could take action in the real world and pick up a brick and walk up to the Illuso location and bash him in the head with a brick, defeating him. Remember, whatever happens in the real world reflects to the mirror dimension, so that’s another way to defeat Illuso because all Illuso will see is a floating brick coming his way or another way a surprise attack from behind so he won’t get the chance to react. Now one last thing I have to say: remember how Illuso got tricked to bring in Leone Abbacchio stand inside the mirror dimension? Well, a situation like that could happen. Remember how Wonder of u can change his form to his human form or his stand form? Just imagine if Illuso only sees Wonder of u in his human form and attempts to drag him in the mirror dimension. The same could be said if Wonder of u stands right next to Toru and Illuso chooses to target Wonder of u instead of Toru because he does not look like a stand. Now imagine what happens if Wonder of u goes inside the mirror dimension instead of Toru. Well, I will tell you what happens, and this is if calamity won’t work in the mirror dimension. By the way, cough cough. Wonder of u shows his true form to Illuso and absolutely annihilates Illuso and his stand. Let me remind you that man in the mirror is not a strong physically strong stand with a stat of c speed and c destructive power that even Moody Blues was able to outspeed him and did some great damage to him, And let me remind you, Moody Blues is not a combat stand with a stat of C speed and c destructive power, just like man in the mirror now where I scale Wonder of u speed overall. Let’s see movement speed; he’s as fast as a blur of evidence in chapter 96, where Wonder of u was moving faster than Jobin could catch a glimpse of Wonder of u, and you can’t say that was an illusion as we see Wonder of u moving objects around, so in conclusion, Wonder of u movement speed is faster than the human eye can perceive now onto the reaction speed, there were two occasions where he showed feats of reaction speed, and the first one was in chapter 103, where he was fast enough to block all of the combined attacks of born this way and soft and wet frozen bubbles, and not a single one of them touched him, and remember this in that situation where he was damaged was not because of the frozen bubbles; it was because of Go Beyond, which was among them unseen; it was explained within the same chapter, and in the next chapter, which was chapter 104, the next feat for his reaction speed was in chapter 105, where we see Wonder of u was fast enough to deflect Josuke spinning bubbles. Not Go Beyond, as that only comes out of his birthmark, now there are no statements about how fast the spinning bubble is going towards Wonder of u, but with just a glance, I calculated the spinning bubble to be around bullet speed, and Wonder of u was able to deflect that spinning bubble, so in conclusion his reaction speed is around subsonic or supersonic depending on how you view the feat, but all in all, Wonder of u is definitely faster than man in the mirror in movement speed, which I calculate at subsonic, and reaction speed, which I calculate at subsonic or supersonic, so any punches that man in the mirror throws at Wonder of u, Wonder of u can block all of his punches with just his cane with ease, and if Wonder of u decides to attack, he could use his cane to attack the user if Wonder of u decides to use his cane to attack instead of defend, but even if he doesn’t attack with his cane, Wonder of u has a few tricks up his sleeves and is more likely to use, which are his rock insects, and I’m 100% positive that one of his rock insects will be the one to take out Illuso, perhaps that one rock insect that sticks to your skin and multiplies, but even so, man in the mirror won’t land an attack on Wonder of u to actually harm him. Remember, Wonder of u is faster and Wonder of u can phase through walls, so it will even be much harder for man in the mirror. I think that’s all I have to say on this matter. I want to know what you think of my take. I do love people’s opinions on my take. 3:16
Now onto the next stand, Wonder of u vs sheer heart attack. Now if it’s without Kira pursuing and then throwing out a sheer heart attack to track Wonder of u or Toru, then I have a few arguments on this because if it is Kira pursuing and then throwing out sheer heart attack, then he’s getting immediately killed by calamity because of his karma, but if it isn’t and it’s just sheer heart attack without Kira knowledge of Wonder of u or Toru's existence, well, here’s my take on this if it’s just Wonder of u fighting against a sheer heart attack. Well, let me say this sheer heart attack detects heat and goes after it right, but in this case I don’t think Wonder of u has any heat signature for sheer heart attack to look for. Besides, we really only seen sheer heart attack attacks the users and not their stands, so Wonder of u is safe, but even if you personally believe Wonder of u does have a heat signature, Sheer heart attack will go after him, then I see ways where Wonder of u could outsmart it or cause a calamity, but you’re going to ask, but calamity won’t work against this automatic pursuit stand, which I would say is true, but you gotta remember one of Wonder of u abilities is touching something He’s touched and infusing it with calamity energy, so let's just say a sheer heart attack touches something Wonder of u touched that was infused with calamity energy. So a calamity will happen, but how? It could cost a fire so it will get distracted from targeting Wonder of u or it could get damaged by a calamity, and you got to remember one thing a calamity has is durability negation attacks, unlike star platinum, which does not have durability negation attacks and only attacks with his punches, so I personally believe a calamity will do more damage because of its durability negation attacks and just because it came from Kira, who is a very evil person, the calamity should be much stronger. Now onto the explosion if sheer heart attack managed to explode on Wonder of u. I say Wonder of u is fast enough to dodge it because of his subsonic movement speed, or Wonder of u can phase through walls avoiding the explosion, and let’s not forget the rock insects. Wonder of u could use it as a distraction to get away now. Remember, this is just Wonder of u and not Toru. Now imagine Wonder of u standing beside Toru, trying to protect him. Everything I said would apply here so Toru could escape while Wonder of u distracts sheer heart attack with its calamity or rock insects or simply picking up sheer heart attack and not letting it get close to Toru if a person believes Wonder of u don’t have a heat signature for sheer heart attack to detect and explode now if it’s just Toru himself. I have only one argument for his defense: Toru could just turn himself to rock and not show any heat signature because, remember, he’s a rock human after all, and it’s been stated that when rock humans turn themselves into complete rock, their body heat disappears, and Toru has shown to turn his hand to complete rock on command, so the question is if he wanted to, he could also commend his entire body to turn into rock even though we haven’t seen it. It’s a high possibility that he could, but let’s just say Toru can. Even if a sheer heart attack explodes on his now rock human form, how much damage would it realistically do to him? Sure, it exploded on regular humans and did damage upon them and perhaps some walls and windows, but none of them were rock hard solid, so that’s a possibility for Toru to not get detected by sheer heart attack or get that much damage inflicted upon him, but remember this is only with Toru. Just imagine Wonder of u also helping him out, then I really don’t believe sheer heart attack would do much. Now one final thing I have to address. I just remember something. Remember Kei Nijimura with born this way? Remember her stand was an automatic pursuit type stand the same just like sheer heart attack? I wonder what happened to her. Oh yes, burn this way attacks Wonder of u, and she gets killed. And I just need to remind you that Kei Nijimura didn't know of Wonder of u existence. All she’s been told was to go to where Josuke's location was and pass him the phone, and she was also told that she will be targeted by the flow of calamity and there will be an enemy there. Kei Nijimura was aware of it, of course, but she never knew Wonder of u existence; heck, she never even got a good look at him before dying by calamity, so I could argue that even if calamity doesn’t target an automatic pursuit stand, it will target it’s user instead, even if the user never knows what Wonder of u looks like. So just imagine if Kira decides to use sheer heart attack to attack Wonder of u or Toru without knowing what they look like, but all he knows is that they are an enemy, then calamity will target him instead of sheer heart attack. And in what scenario would sheer heart attack just be roaming around and attacking random strangers? There is a greater likelihood that Kira only sent out his sheer heart attack to kill his victims. If Kira ever decides to target Wonder of u or Toru even without knowing their existence or what they look like, a calamity will still target Kira, killing him, so in conclusion, even if Kira doesn’t know who they are but still sends out his sheer heart attack to attack them, then it’s goodbye to him. He got killed by a calamity without even knowing how or why. That is all. I wonder what you think about my take. 4:56
Now onto the next stand, Wonder of u vs Highway to Hell. Now I can only see 3 outcomes for Wonder of u and Toru, and that’s outlasting thunder McQueen because remember, Toru isn’t a regular human; he’s a rock human, and rock humans are known to survive fatal injuries, so let’s go for the first reason: if a person believes Toru can turn himself into completely rock, and this is a if; if thunder McQueen electrifies himself, then in theory, would it work on Toru if he’s in full rock form? I say it’s a toss up. The same could be said for any other attack he does to himself: would it affect Toru in his rock form or would it just slightly lower the damage infected upon him, but that’s just one possibility if you choose to believe Toru can turn himself to rock completely and in that way Toru can outlast Thunder McQueen. Now that just one outcome, another outcome is just Toru taking the damage inflated upon him like electricity drowning, and self inflicted wounds. Remember, Toru got a hole blown in his head, throat, and torso, and he still keeps moving forward in the same way as he was deteriorating to dust, but was still conscious enough to think and talk, so I see a lot of endurance feats for Toru, and if thunder McQueen subbumbs to his injuries before Toru can, then it’s all good. Let’s just hope Toru has enough time to find and grab a rokakaka fruit to heal his injuries. This is another outcome, but this is if you believe if thunder McQueen succumbs to his wounds and the same outcome will not be inflicted upon Toru, but if you personally believe if thunder McQueen succumbs to his wounds and the same outcome would happen to Toru, then I say it’s a far game that could happen, so onto the last outcome and the most likely outcome to me and it’s calamity will find a way to remove thunder McQueen's stand disc. Let’s see if I remember right: Ermes Costello, while being electrified, managed to make two heads of thunder McQueen and make them mush together, either potentially killing him or getting him knocked out, which in turn his stand disc came out of his head now. I see two ways for this: if Ermes murdered thunder McQueen before the electricity killed her, that means it’s a possibility that calamity could kill thunder McQueen before Toru dies of some inflicted wound. Or Ermes knocks out thunder McQueen, and his stand disc comes out, killing him. Remember, without a stand disc and a memory disc, the person dies, by the way, so calamity could find a way to knock out thunder McQueen, and in return, his stand disc comes out, killing him, so Toru is safe. That’s how I see it. I think that is all. I wonder what you think about my take. 7:50
Now onto the next stand, which will be the final one. Wonder of u vs tusk. Okay, this is the one where I may have some problems with your choice of words, but before that, I need to mention that Johnny can’t use Tusk Act 4 unless he’s on the horse, and calamity could take advantage of that. Now this is where I have a problem with your choice of words. You’re saying Johnny does not attempt to harm as he fires an infinite rotation at Wonder of u, and you also said he doesn’t do it with hate or aggression. I don’t know about that for a couple of reasons. I’m pretty sure even if you don’t have harmful attention, Johnny is still shooting off an infinite rotation at Wonder of u, which will put Wonder of u existence at risk, and so calamity will take action no matter your attention because ultimately Johnny is still shooting out something that will 100% harm Wonder of u, and what makes you think calamity won’t detect infinite rotation as a threat and will do everything in its power to stop it? and even Wonder of u will know it’s a threat if it touches him, so calamity would 100% work upon it because infinite rotation is not like Go Beyond; infinite rotation still applies by the laws of logic. Unlike Go Beyond, the most likely is that calamity will manifest and kill Johnny horse, effectively making him not be able to use Tusk Act 4 at all or attack Johnny before he even has a chance to shoot out an infinite rotation because he’s a threat. And besides, Johnny having infinite rotation does not mean he no longer has a malice attempt when he starts using it because there are two occasions where Johnny is out to kill someone, and that’s Funny Valentine and Diego Brando, and I’m pretty sure his attention is to harm Diego Brando in the whole battle against him. I don’t really get what you’re saying when you say Johnny using his infinite rotation no longer has the intention to harm, but that’s not what has been shown within the manga. He has shown the intention to kill twice, so what makes this any different? If he goes up against Wonder of u, Johnny sees there is a threat, then he has the intention to immediately shoot his infinite rotation to kill his opponent, which in this case is Wonder of u, so calamity will manifest, but let’s just say Johnny gets a chance to shoot off his infinite rotation towards Wonder of u. You forgot to mention that there is another way to stop infinite rotation. And that’s to let the infinite rotation hit a life form, so let’s say a calamity manifests in a way that a life form somehow got in the way of the infinite rotation a human perhaps and so the infinite rotation hits the life form, and that be it. It happened twice within the manga: first it was Funny Valentine, and second it was Johnny himself, so there is a way to make sure to not let the infinite rotation hit Wonder of u. and calamity will take advantage of that, and I’m pretty sure Wonder of u is smart enough to figure out a way around it and perhaps use a human or a different species to block infinite rotation. Now you gotta make sure where this battle takes place would it take place within the TG university hospital where there’s a lot of people Wonder of u can use to its advantage or the bridge where Johnny got hit by his own infinite rotation? And a guy on a horse could just pass by and can be used as a calamity to get in the way of the infinite rotation or that one location where Johnny battles against Funny Valentine because even in that location I can see a wild animal just comes out of nowhere and takes the hit of the infinite rotation or Wonder of u takes out his rock insects and see if they can block the infinite rotation with their own bodies. Besides, I believe Wonder of u is fast enough to react to infinite rotation because of his subsonic or supersonic reaction speed, and I say if the speed of the infinite rotation is under subsonic speed, then there’s a high possible chance Wonder of u would just dodge it with his subsonic movement speed, and if he’s clever, he could just run up to Johnny and use him to block the infinite rotation wouldn't that be funny? But if not, and the speed of the infinite rotation is that of a bullet. Which is subsonic speed or supersonic, then Wonder of u are still fast enough to react to it and could come up with a plan to counter it or a calamity will get in the way. I believe that is all I have to say on this matter. Thanks for reading it all. I hope I get your opinion on my take. 10:32
The difficult thing about trying to work out who could beat WoU is the true extent of calamity. A few examples: Does Cream's void exist outside of the natural world, and thus not subject to calamity? If one uses Dragon' Dream to find a lucky spot, which esoteric force would win, Feng Shui or calamity? If Heaven's Door tries to make someone kill Toru by complete accident, does the subject truly have intent to pursue? Could Chariot Requiem potentially turn WoU's calamity against Toru? Everything about Bohemian Rhapsody murders logic. Can calamity stand to that? Does Toru feel any guilt? And if so, could Civil War take advantage of that? There are probably more examples, but all of these possibilities are completely dependant on unknowable variables.
Vanila ice still needs to see so the moment he leaves to search for tooru he would die from a calamity the heavens door wouldnt work because rohan would have to write it on someone with the intent of pursuing tooru so he would get a calamity before he could do it and the civil war would happen the same as tooru because the user have an intent of pursuing him before he could talk with tooru something would happen and i dont even think he feels any remorse dragon dream just points the lucky spot he doesnt create any luck he prob wouldnt find any lucky spot with wou since it can manipulate the calamity bohemian rhapsody calamity would target the user even if he manages to find an character that is immune to it or just delete the concept before he could use his stand he would die because calamity works the moment you think of pursuing tooru or WoU the only way for chariot requiem to turn wou against toru is if he use his stand to get the arrow if he dont care about it nothing will happen tbh and tooru prob would resolve the puzzle
@@etihw4707 You make some good points. I think I can confidently take Civil War and Bohemian Rhapsody out of consideration given what you have said. And while Chariot Requiem would theoretically be able to win, the chances of that altercation even happening are cosmically low. The other three still have a chance to win, but the odds would be stacked against them. If Cream can consume Toru/WoU on the first attempt like he did with Avdol, then I think Cream could win. However, unless the attack goes flawlessly, Ice is likely to die after leaving. Dragon's Dream would be harder to win with, but assuming that WoU doesn't take Feng Shui into account whenever it wanders, one could wait to pursue WoU until they get in an unlucky spot. What happens from there is still a bit open ended. And while I think Heaven's Door has the potential to take WoU down, I will admit that even if the attack is successful, Rohan would probably also die. The difficulty about trying to talk about WoU's match-ups lies not only in WoU's overwhelming power, but also in the fact that the only way it was beaten in the manga requires an attack that doesn't exist because the soap lines are too thin(?). I will never understand how Go Beyond works. Dragon's Dream is easier for me to understand.
@@namelessmedia2847 go beyond is just an attack from another dimension thats why wou cant do much since its not in his dimension and dragon dream points where luck is and since the stand is neutrall he would say to feng ''nah bro you at your own with that one'' since wou can manipulate calamity so there wont be any lucky spot
@@namelessmedia2847 and cream still needs to know where toru is in the first place so if he think to kill him he wouldnt be able to attack tooru first he would die before he can use his stand ability
@@etihw4707 Yeah. That is a result I can see happening. The problem with trying to beat this damn thing is that it is damn near impossible. While I do think that some stands can achieve a pyrrhic victory under their own power, at this point, taking everything you said into account as well, Cream is the only one on that original list with a shot. And only ONE shot at that. I hope this doesn't seem confrontational, as I'm actually somewhat enjoying this discussion. Thank you for your insight :)
9 Stands that would beat Wonder of U
: ruclips.net/video/Z8a94jJM9wY/видео.html
The highway to hell match up entirely depends on what the "calamity" actually is that Wonder of U causes.
Maybe in McQueen's case his calamity would be regaining his will to live rendering him powerless. After all he wants to commit not living, so for him misfortune might be things normal people would consider fortunate and things people consider fortunate are misfortune to McQueen.
The problem is that majority of Calamities are mostly physical ones, not to mention we already know powerful enough hax can fully ignore it.
@@fg009letyrds8 Maybe. I can't comment because I haven't actually gotten to the Toru / Wonder of U fight myself.
My theory is something I pulled out of my ass without knowing what I'm even talking about.
Just like all other Jojo theories.
Get Highway to Hell.....chase after Tohru, get a hot wife, have a successful career, get infinite wealth, loved by everyone
@@ValetinoLovebird I know what you mean by "hot wife" but I've stared into the abyss that is the internet for so long my mind wandered to a different meaning of that term.
A hot wife or hotwife refers to the wife of a cuckold. As in a wife that will cheat on their husband with their husbands consent? So the term "hot wife" feels very gross to me.
You should probably start saying beautiful wife or just pray that you forget this piece of cursed knowledge. I know I have.
It doesn't actually make things go wrong in that sense, by Calamity it's like the world is against you. Cars, raindrops, water, etc.. they'll all have a mysterious reason for attacking you because of Calamity.
worst stand in JJBA beats the best stand
That's Jojos for You, so Unbalanced that it becomes perfectly balanced
same way cheaptrick would beat him, so funny
I think Mirror Man and Highway can still trigger calamity during activation phase.
As much as I agree with some of these points, I have one reason why I don't think these would work.
Lucy Steel looked at Toru ONCE as she was RUNNING AWAY from him. WW2 immediately started after that. Illuso couldn't even get Toru into the mirror world without exploding into smithereens or having some loony tunes piano fall onto him. Sheer Heart Attack is still objectively pursuit, but even if Sheer Heart Attack wouldn't be under the affects of WOU, Kira would be since he'd have to actively summon it. Considering karmic retribution, he'd probably encounter an ambulance quite soon. They just both die of highway to hell goes off lmao. Tusk would have a good shot but Johnny legitimately died due to calamity so I highly doubt he'd have a chance.
FYI none of this is meant to be accusatory or rude, I'm just throwing my hat into the ring.
Tbf, Johnny’s death was mainly his own fault & a bit of a split decision.
I have some takes about the stands you choose to go up against Wonder of u, and I will give my take on this Wonder of u vs man in the mirror. First thing first, you said calamity only works within the real world. Now I have to say there’s no statements for that to be true because in all universes are applied by universal laws like logic, for instance, and calamity is part of that logic, so as long as logic exists, calamity shall also exist as well. Just because in the mirror dimension there’s no life forms, that does not mean the laws of the universe do not exist within his mirror dimension. For example, man in the mirror still has to use his abilities within the mirror dimension, which to my knowledge is logic based, so the laws of logic still exist within that dimension, so there shall be calamity as well. And remember when Illuso thought he pulled in Leone Abbacchio but was in fact his stand? moody blues, which can still use his ability in the mirror dimension and the real world, which is also logic based, one can argue if man in the mirror pulled in Toru or God forbid Wonder of u in the mirror dimension, calamity shall also work as well, and I need to mention this Illuso never fought against a stand user with their ability being automatic because unlike all the stands he fought with, none of them were automatic abilities, so one can argue that even if he brings in Toru to his dimension and leaves Wonder of u behind, calamity shall still attack him in his dimension because logic, aka calamity, shall still exist within his dimension, and calamity doesn’t just protect Wonder of u automatically; it also protects Toru automatically as well, and calamity does not need no activation by the user to attack the pursuer, and there is one life form in that dimension, and that’s the user Illuso, so calamity could influence his mind to make a simple mistake like bring in a calamity unknowingly into his mirror dimension, which could be the end of him because after all, for Illuso to attack Wonder of u or Toru, he must first pursue to use said ability, and by the time Illuso grabs Toru or Wonder of u, a calamity has already been in position to attack Illuso, and if you still don’t believe calamity can manifest in the mirror dimension and you believe calamity can only manifest in the real world, right? So if Toru is in the mirror dimension and Illuso attacks Toru, then how can a calamity reach him from another dimension? Well, it’s simple: whatever happens in the real world reflects on the dimension world. Do you see what I’m getting at? All a calamity has to do is use the surroundings in the real world to attack Illuso in the dimension world, like suddenly a calamity manifests in the real world. And does something like destroys a brickwall in the real world and the debris just goes everywhere and it just happens to hit the pursuer in the mirror dimension, or it could’ve manifested in many ways in the real world to attack Illuso, and that’s just if you think calamity would react to Toru getting attacked in the mirror dimension and taking actions in the real world, but even so, there’s another way to attack and defeat Illuso in the mirror dimension. And it doesn’t involve a calamity at all. Let me remind you that Toru can see what Wonder of u sees, and the same can be said for Wonder of u now since Toru can see where Illuso location is at. Wonder of u could take action in the real world and pick up a brick and walk up to the Illuso location and bash him in the head with a brick, defeating him. Remember, whatever happens in the real world reflects to the mirror dimension, so that’s another way to defeat Illuso because all Illuso will see is a floating brick coming his way or another way a surprise attack from behind so he won’t get the chance to react. Now one last thing I have to say: remember how Illuso got tricked to bring in Leone Abbacchio stand inside the mirror dimension? Well, a situation like that could happen. Remember how Wonder of u can change his form to his human form or his stand form? Just imagine if Illuso only sees Wonder of u in his human form and attempts to drag him in the mirror dimension. The same could be said if Wonder of u stands right next to Toru and Illuso chooses to target Wonder of u instead of Toru because he does not look like a stand. Now imagine what happens if Wonder of u goes inside the mirror dimension instead of Toru. Well, I will tell you what happens, and this is if calamity won’t work in the mirror dimension. By the way, cough cough. Wonder of u shows his true form to Illuso and absolutely annihilates Illuso and his stand. Let me remind you that man in the mirror is not a strong physically strong stand with a stat of c speed and c destructive power that even Moody Blues was able to outspeed him and did some great damage to him, And let me remind you, Moody Blues is not a combat stand with a stat of C speed and c destructive power, just like man in the mirror now where I scale Wonder of u speed overall. Let’s see movement speed; he’s as fast as a blur of evidence in chapter 96, where Wonder of u was moving faster than Jobin could catch a glimpse of Wonder of u, and you can’t say that was an illusion as we see Wonder of u moving objects around, so in conclusion, Wonder of u movement speed is faster than the human eye can perceive now onto the reaction speed, there were two occasions where he showed feats of reaction speed, and the first one was in chapter 103, where he was fast enough to block all of the combined attacks of born this way and soft and wet frozen bubbles, and not a single one of them touched him, and remember this in that situation where he was damaged was not because of the frozen bubbles; it was because of Go Beyond, which was among them unseen; it was explained within the same chapter, and in the next chapter, which was chapter 104, the next feat for his reaction speed was in chapter 105, where we see Wonder of u was fast enough to deflect Josuke spinning bubbles. Not Go Beyond, as that only comes out of his birthmark, now there are no statements about how fast the spinning bubble is going towards Wonder of u, but with just a glance, I calculated the spinning bubble to be around bullet speed, and Wonder of u was able to deflect that spinning bubble, so in conclusion his reaction speed is around subsonic or supersonic depending on how you view the feat, but all in all, Wonder of u is definitely faster than man in the mirror in movement speed, which I calculate at subsonic, and reaction speed, which I calculate at subsonic or supersonic, so any punches that man in the mirror throws at Wonder of u, Wonder of u can block all of his punches with just his cane with ease, and if Wonder of u decides to attack, he could use his cane to attack the user if Wonder of u decides to use his cane to attack instead of defend, but even if he doesn’t attack with his cane, Wonder of u has a few tricks up his sleeves and is more likely to use, which are his rock insects, and I’m 100% positive that one of his rock insects will be the one to take out Illuso, perhaps that one rock insect that sticks to your skin and multiplies, but even so, man in the mirror won’t land an attack on Wonder of u to actually harm him. Remember, Wonder of u is faster and Wonder of u can phase through walls, so it will even be much harder for man in the mirror. I think that’s all I have to say on this matter. I want to know what you think of my take. I do love people’s opinions on my take. 3:16
Now onto the next stand, Wonder of u vs sheer heart attack. Now if it’s without Kira pursuing and then throwing out a sheer heart attack to track Wonder of u or Toru, then I have a few arguments on this because if it is Kira pursuing and then throwing out sheer heart attack, then he’s getting immediately killed by calamity because of his karma, but if it isn’t and it’s just sheer heart attack without Kira knowledge of Wonder of u or Toru's existence, well, here’s my take on this if it’s just Wonder of u fighting against a sheer heart attack. Well, let me say this sheer heart attack detects heat and goes after it right, but in this case I don’t think Wonder of u has any heat signature for sheer heart attack to look for. Besides, we really only seen sheer heart attack attacks the users and not their stands, so Wonder of u is safe, but even if you personally believe Wonder of u does have a heat signature, Sheer heart attack will go after him, then I see ways where Wonder of u could outsmart it or cause a calamity, but you’re going to ask, but calamity won’t work against this automatic pursuit stand, which I would say is true, but you gotta remember one of Wonder of u abilities is touching something He’s touched and infusing it with calamity energy, so let's just say a sheer heart attack touches something Wonder of u touched that was infused with calamity energy. So a calamity will happen, but how? It could cost a fire so it will get distracted from targeting Wonder of u or it could get damaged by a calamity, and you got to remember one thing a calamity has is durability negation attacks, unlike star platinum, which does not have durability negation attacks and only attacks with his punches, so I personally believe a calamity will do more damage because of its durability negation attacks and just because it came from Kira, who is a very evil person, the calamity should be much stronger. Now onto the explosion if sheer heart attack managed to explode on Wonder of u. I say Wonder of u is fast enough to dodge it because of his subsonic movement speed, or Wonder of u can phase through walls avoiding the explosion, and let’s not forget the rock insects. Wonder of u could use it as a distraction to get away now. Remember, this is just Wonder of u and not Toru. Now imagine Wonder of u standing beside Toru, trying to protect him. Everything I said would apply here so Toru could escape while Wonder of u distracts sheer heart attack with its calamity or rock insects or simply picking up sheer heart attack and not letting it get close to Toru if a person believes Wonder of u don’t have a heat signature for sheer heart attack to detect and explode now if it’s just Toru himself. I have only one argument for his defense: Toru could just turn himself to rock and not show any heat signature because, remember, he’s a rock human after all, and it’s been stated that when rock humans turn themselves into complete rock, their body heat disappears, and Toru has shown to turn his hand to complete rock on command, so the question is if he wanted to, he could also commend his entire body to turn into rock even though we haven’t seen it. It’s a high possibility that he could, but let’s just say Toru can. Even if a sheer heart attack explodes on his now rock human form, how much damage would it realistically do to him? Sure, it exploded on regular humans and did damage upon them and perhaps some walls and windows, but none of them were rock hard solid, so that’s a possibility for Toru to not get detected by sheer heart attack or get that much damage inflicted upon him, but remember this is only with Toru. Just imagine Wonder of u also helping him out, then I really don’t believe sheer heart attack would do much. Now one final thing I have to address. I just remember something. Remember Kei Nijimura with born this way? Remember her stand was an automatic pursuit type stand the same just like sheer heart attack? I wonder what happened to her. Oh yes, burn this way attacks Wonder of u, and she gets killed. And I just need to remind you that Kei Nijimura didn't know of Wonder of u existence. All she’s been told was to go to where Josuke's location was and pass him the phone, and she was also told that she will be targeted by the flow of calamity and there will be an enemy there. Kei Nijimura was aware of it, of course, but she never knew Wonder of u existence; heck, she never even got a good look at him before dying by calamity, so I could argue that even if calamity doesn’t target an automatic pursuit stand, it will target it’s user instead, even if the user never knows what Wonder of u looks like. So just imagine if Kira decides to use sheer heart attack to attack Wonder of u or Toru without knowing what they look like, but all he knows is that they are an enemy, then calamity will target him instead of sheer heart attack. And in what scenario would sheer heart attack just be roaming around and attacking random strangers? There is a greater likelihood that Kira only sent out his sheer heart attack to kill his victims. If Kira ever decides to target Wonder of u or Toru even without knowing their existence or what they look like, a calamity will still target Kira, killing him, so in conclusion, even if Kira doesn’t know who they are but still sends out his sheer heart attack to attack them, then it’s goodbye to him. He got killed by a calamity without even knowing how or why. That is all. I wonder what you think about my take. 4:56
Now onto the next stand, Wonder of u vs Highway to Hell. Now I can only see 3 outcomes for Wonder of u and Toru, and that’s outlasting thunder McQueen because remember, Toru isn’t a regular human; he’s a rock human, and rock humans are known to survive fatal injuries, so let’s go for the first reason: if a person believes Toru can turn himself into completely rock, and this is a if; if thunder McQueen electrifies himself, then in theory, would it work on Toru if he’s in full rock form? I say it’s a toss up. The same could be said for any other attack he does to himself: would it affect Toru in his rock form or would it just slightly lower the damage infected upon him, but that’s just one possibility if you choose to believe Toru can turn himself to rock completely and in that way Toru can outlast Thunder McQueen. Now that just one outcome, another outcome is just Toru taking the damage inflated upon him like electricity drowning, and self inflicted wounds. Remember, Toru got a hole blown in his head, throat, and torso, and he still keeps moving forward in the same way as he was deteriorating to dust, but was still conscious enough to think and talk, so I see a lot of endurance feats for Toru, and if thunder McQueen subbumbs to his injuries before Toru can, then it’s all good. Let’s just hope Toru has enough time to find and grab a rokakaka fruit to heal his injuries. This is another outcome, but this is if you believe if thunder McQueen succumbs to his wounds and the same outcome will not be inflicted upon Toru, but if you personally believe if thunder McQueen succumbs to his wounds and the same outcome would happen to Toru, then I say it’s a far game that could happen, so onto the last outcome and the most likely outcome to me and it’s calamity will find a way to remove thunder McQueen's stand disc. Let’s see if I remember right: Ermes Costello, while being electrified, managed to make two heads of thunder McQueen and make them mush together, either potentially killing him or getting him knocked out, which in turn his stand disc came out of his head now. I see two ways for this: if Ermes murdered thunder McQueen before the electricity killed her, that means it’s a possibility that calamity could kill thunder McQueen before Toru dies of some inflicted wound. Or Ermes knocks out thunder McQueen, and his stand disc comes out, killing him. Remember, without a stand disc and a memory disc, the person dies, by the way, so calamity could find a way to knock out thunder McQueen, and in return, his stand disc comes out, killing him, so Toru is safe. That’s how I see it. I think that is all. I wonder what you think about my take. 7:50
Now onto the next stand, which will be the final one. Wonder of u vs tusk. Okay, this is the one where I may have some problems with your choice of words, but before that, I need to mention that Johnny can’t use Tusk Act 4 unless he’s on the horse, and calamity could take advantage of that. Now this is where I have a problem with your choice of words. You’re saying Johnny does not attempt to harm as he fires an infinite rotation at Wonder of u, and you also said he doesn’t do it with hate or aggression. I don’t know about that for a couple of reasons. I’m pretty sure even if you don’t have harmful attention, Johnny is still shooting off an infinite rotation at Wonder of u, which will put Wonder of u existence at risk, and so calamity will take action no matter your attention because ultimately Johnny is still shooting out something that will 100% harm Wonder of u, and what makes you think calamity won’t detect infinite rotation as a threat and will do everything in its power to stop it? and even Wonder of u will know it’s a threat if it touches him, so calamity would 100% work upon it because infinite rotation is not like Go Beyond; infinite rotation still applies by the laws of logic. Unlike Go Beyond, the most likely is that calamity will manifest and kill Johnny horse, effectively making him not be able to use Tusk Act 4 at all or attack Johnny before he even has a chance to shoot out an infinite rotation because he’s a threat. And besides, Johnny having infinite rotation does not mean he no longer has a malice attempt when he starts using it because there are two occasions where Johnny is out to kill someone, and that’s Funny Valentine and Diego Brando, and I’m pretty sure his attention is to harm Diego Brando in the whole battle against him. I don’t really get what you’re saying when you say Johnny using his infinite rotation no longer has the intention to harm, but that’s not what has been shown within the manga. He has shown the intention to kill twice, so what makes this any different? If he goes up against Wonder of u, Johnny sees there is a threat, then he has the intention to immediately shoot his infinite rotation to kill his opponent, which in this case is Wonder of u, so calamity will manifest, but let’s just say Johnny gets a chance to shoot off his infinite rotation towards Wonder of u. You forgot to mention that there is another way to stop infinite rotation. And that’s to let the infinite rotation hit a life form, so let’s say a calamity manifests in a way that a life form somehow got in the way of the infinite rotation a human perhaps and so the infinite rotation hits the life form, and that be it. It happened twice within the manga: first it was Funny Valentine, and second it was Johnny himself, so there is a way to make sure to not let the infinite rotation hit Wonder of u. and calamity will take advantage of that, and I’m pretty sure Wonder of u is smart enough to figure out a way around it and perhaps use a human or a different species to block infinite rotation. Now you gotta make sure where this battle takes place would it take place within the TG university hospital where there’s a lot of people Wonder of u can use to its advantage or the bridge where Johnny got hit by his own infinite rotation? And a guy on a horse could just pass by and can be used as a calamity to get in the way of the infinite rotation or that one location where Johnny battles against Funny Valentine because even in that location I can see a wild animal just comes out of nowhere and takes the hit of the infinite rotation or Wonder of u takes out his rock insects and see if they can block the infinite rotation with their own bodies. Besides, I believe Wonder of u is fast enough to react to infinite rotation because of his subsonic or supersonic reaction speed, and I say if the speed of the infinite rotation is under subsonic speed, then there’s a high possible chance Wonder of u would just dodge it with his subsonic movement speed, and if he’s clever, he could just run up to Johnny and use him to block the infinite rotation wouldn't that be funny? But if not, and the speed of the infinite rotation is that of a bullet. Which is subsonic speed or supersonic, then Wonder of u are still fast enough to react to it and could come up with a plan to counter it or a calamity will get in the way. I believe that is all I have to say on this matter. Thanks for reading it all. I hope I get your opinion on my take. 10:32
Also because he never says it Toru has shown feats of controlling WOU to do things.
U should make d4c vs wou because d4c can redirect calamity
ah, GER vs TA4 all over again
i disagree with the man in the mirror one because what if wou gives a deadly disease to the user and the user dies that could happen.
Some of these points are intresting, but you eord it as facts when they are purely hypothetical. Other than that Great vid!!🔥🔥🔥
The difficult thing about trying to work out who could beat WoU is the true extent of calamity. A few examples:
Does Cream's void exist outside of the natural world, and thus not subject to calamity?
If one uses Dragon' Dream to find a lucky spot, which esoteric force would win, Feng Shui or calamity?
If Heaven's Door tries to make someone kill Toru by complete accident, does the subject truly have intent to pursue?
Could Chariot Requiem potentially turn WoU's calamity against Toru?
Everything about Bohemian Rhapsody murders logic. Can calamity stand to that?
Does Toru feel any guilt? And if so, could Civil War take advantage of that?
There are probably more examples, but all of these possibilities are completely dependant on unknowable variables.
Vanila ice still needs to see so the moment he leaves to search for tooru he would die from a calamity
the heavens door wouldnt work because rohan would have to write it on someone with the intent of pursuing tooru so he would get a calamity before he could do it
and the civil war would happen the same as tooru because the user have an intent of pursuing him before he could talk with tooru something would happen and i dont even think he feels any remorse
dragon dream just points the lucky spot he doesnt create any luck he prob wouldnt find any lucky spot with wou since it can manipulate the calamity
bohemian rhapsody calamity would target the user even if he manages to find an character that is immune to it or just delete the concept before he could use his stand he would die because calamity works the moment you think of pursuing tooru or WoU
the only way for chariot requiem to turn wou against toru is if he use his stand to get the arrow if he dont care about it nothing will happen tbh and tooru prob would resolve the puzzle
@@etihw4707 You make some good points. I think I can confidently take Civil War and Bohemian Rhapsody out of consideration given what you have said. And while Chariot Requiem would theoretically be able to win, the chances of that altercation even happening are cosmically low.
The other three still have a chance to win, but the odds would be stacked against them. If Cream can consume Toru/WoU on the first attempt like he did with Avdol, then I think Cream could win. However, unless the attack goes flawlessly, Ice is likely to die after leaving. Dragon's Dream would be harder to win with, but assuming that WoU doesn't take Feng Shui into account whenever it wanders, one could wait to pursue WoU until they get in an unlucky spot. What happens from there is still a bit open ended. And while I think Heaven's Door has the potential to take WoU down, I will admit that even if the attack is successful, Rohan would probably also die.
The difficulty about trying to talk about WoU's match-ups lies not only in WoU's overwhelming power, but also in the fact that the only way it was beaten in the manga requires an attack that doesn't exist because the soap lines are too thin(?). I will never understand how Go Beyond works. Dragon's Dream is easier for me to understand.
@@namelessmedia2847 go beyond is just an attack from another dimension thats why wou cant do much since its not in his dimension and dragon dream points where luck is and since the stand is neutrall he would say to feng ''nah bro you at your own with that one'' since wou can manipulate calamity so there wont be any lucky spot
@@namelessmedia2847 and cream still needs to know where toru is in the first place so if he think to kill him he wouldnt be able to attack tooru first he would die before he can use his stand ability
@@etihw4707 Yeah. That is a result I can see happening. The problem with trying to beat this damn thing is that it is damn near impossible. While I do think that some stands can achieve a pyrrhic victory under their own power, at this point, taking everything you said into account as well, Cream is the only one on that original list with a shot. And only ONE shot at that.
I hope this doesn't seem confrontational, as I'm actually somewhat enjoying this discussion. Thank you for your insight :)
Cheap trick solo verse stops on giorno
You just reposted your last video ?
It bit the dusto
Yes, i do that sometimes to make some adjustments when the video underperforms
@@shonendivision3427 oh just like tag changes and all that? Or just during a more trafficked hour?
first three i agree with but tusk is farfetched