So team does not matter ? Intrepreting and using stats how you see fit such bull. So the guy in the western conference with NONE all star othen than himself, without their teams being even comparable in talent and having almost same record with better stats is not mvp? How crazy can you be seriously. Harden gonna break TO record but he also leading a team with no all star other than him and bunch of no names(maybe other than gordon)....maybe if he had people in his team that could help the workload he would actually have less T.O Honest how biased can you be ....using stats without context at all?How come another time Colin had a show about stats do not matter for lebron?lol
No one with sense thought he was the next Dirk. All those bigs can shoot, but if it wasnt for KD and steph curry, wed be talking about Dirk as one of the best 3 shooters of all time
Literally after Dirk so many European players got drafted in hopes of the next Dirk example Darko Milicec or whatever. Porzingis is one of the most recent examples.
bigfatpanda99 I understand what you mean but that's more of a comparison by association rather than play style. Those bigs are compared to Dirk because they are European, not because he is the bar for a shooting big man. Kevin Durant is the prototypical lengthy wing player. Then again I think Dirk is top 20.
Matt Pease bigfatpanda99 people like Darko and Andrea Bargani were drafted so high because of the success of Dirk. Let's be honest Dirk was way ahead of his time. He pretty much made the stretch 4 position that's so coveted today. Kevin Durant has consistently played the 3 his entire career. Only until recently with golden state has he started playing more 4. When you look at his game KD is a wing with the way he handles the ball and shoots at 7 feet .
Dirk is the one franchise player who never had a sidekick for his entire career. In 2011 he had Jason Terry, Tyson Chandler, Brendan Haywood, an older Shawn Marion and whatever was left of Jason Kidd, and took that team to a title. Dirk is absolutely top 20 all time.
Not too mention everybody who keeps saying that cast was so great in 2011 was 2-7 without him that same season. Not saying his teammates didn't step there game up in the finals and played well throughout the playoffs but Dirk brought so many matchup problems that it allowed guys to flourish and get more open looks
I don't think Colin has ever watched Dirk play lol. Was probably so busy watching Lebron every play up the court in 2011 he didn't even notice Dirk then. Dirk is top 20 and its not really all that debatable.
Real Talk It is bro. Like.... with all the great players in NBA history.. to be considered in the top 20, or even the top 50 .. ever is a great accomplishment.
Tell me someone more involved with the fans in the top 10. Dirk has done so much for the mavs it’s amazing that he isn’t noticed for it. He is top 15 in front of Hakeem and the doc
No offense Ken D, I do adhere with the eye ball test as well but you do have to acknowledge that the test is subjective because we don't view a certain player or certain players the same way. Plus, these awards that you speak of have some scientific basis upon them with a little application of the eye ball test from time to time. So, if you're saying that people who use analytics are stupid, then you're ignorant. Whenever people can't back up what their eyes see with data and facts, they usually say the same thing like what you're doing. Sorry, but Kawhi was the best defender over the past two years. Just not this year anymore because people get tired too man, whether you like it or not, his effect on defense isn't as good as it was before. That's because of taking more of an offensive load. If you don't like it, then you're free to acknowledge whatever you want. Peace
Dirk really deserves to be a top of all time. Top 20 for sure maybe even top 15. If you dont agree its because you have not seen enough of him. He is one of the if not the most unguardable players when hot. One of the clutchest players of all time. 6th on scoring. Elite streak of winning seasons and taking the mavs to the playoffs almost by himself. Just watch his 2011 playoff run to catch a glimpse of Dirks greatness. That '11 playoff run has to be one of the greatest playoff runs of all time from any player in history.
I'm usually impressed by Coward and his input. He's way off here though. Dirk is clearly a top 20. Underrated defensively. Great rebounder. Offensively unstoppable.
He says all kinds of narrow-minded, half-baked, half-thought out stuff like this though lol. I've listened to him for 10 plus years, mainly because I just love sports talk in general and he's on the radio, but him, Skip, and Rob Parker say the craziest stuff to me sometimes. That's just my opinion though that's all.
The main reason kawhi makes the spurs defense "worse"when he is on the court is because, if you watch any game this year, essentially most teams put the guy he's guarding in the corner, avoiding kawhi entirely. Because he is a dominant defender. So what your left with are some aging players and young guys. Like seriously Nick is sounding like the spurs would be better without kawhi, what a joke.
mushroomfall not everything has to be so extreme. He is just pointing out defense is harder when you have to carry the offensive load. Teams avoid Lebron the same way that they avoid Leonard.
hes making the point for lebrons being mvp and most VALUABLE and people look at Kawhis defensive qualities and would expect more. its not about leonard being a worse defender or anything its his value defensively to the team
Tell me Luis, the teammate the Dirk had in 2011 that was comparable to Wade or Bosh. Dirk won with a bunch of over the hill veterans on their last ride, and role players.
@@funeralopolis1 That's exactly what Wade and Bosh were. Wade (always injured veteran) and Bosh (soft as tissue role player. Sorry, but putting up double doubles on trash teams when you have a high usage rate doesn't make you good) and the Miami heat team in general were trash without LeBron. When LeBron didn't play the Heat were below .500 When LeBron DID play and went to the bench, the Heat had a negative plus/minus The Heat were ONLY GOOD when LeBron was on the court. Take LeBron off and they are in the bottom 3 of the East with that bench and roleplayers.
Xzei so then find me the teammate that dirk has you would take before wade and bosh. Terry was Dallas 2nd best player. Marion was the 3rd. They were not even comparable to Bosh or Wade. Not a debate to be had on any level. The talent disparity was clear.
@@funeralopolis1 So you want to name players and compare them based on the entirety of their careers and use that as evidence when discussing production in 1 playoff series? Chris Bosh shot 41% that series and could do NOTHING against Dirk. MIKE BIBBY was the starting PG for Miami. Only LeBron, Wade, and Haslem shot over like 45% I think. The 3-PT shooting was 41% to 34%, and the point differential for the series was less than 3 points per game. And statistically (offensively and defensively) both Tyson Chandler and Jason Terry outplayed Chris Bosh. OFF/DEF rating, PER, GS, whatever you like. That enough or do you still believe Dirk had no help because of "name on back of jersey is bad grrrr"
People keep saying Lebron has a superteam, but what makes it so super? The starting 5 includes J.R. Smith and Tristan Thompson. They are solid starters, but not stars. Kevin Love is an all-star but can't get his own shot and struggles defensively. Kyrie is an all-star PG who is a scoring wizard, but struggles as a facilitator and is not a good defender. The rotation includes a couple of 36-yr-olds (RJ, Korver), 34-yr-old Channing Frye, 32-yr-old Deron Williams, Iman Shumpert & Derrick Williams. Lebron somehow makes it all work at a championship level. But it all falls apart when he's not on the floor. That doesn't spell "superteam" to me.
Cornell Cannon its a superteam because lebron has shooters everywhere, he has that once in a millennium talent to make guys like that relevant and productive. the warriors are a superteam tho
its unbelievable to think dirk isnt in the top 20. he won a title with no second allstar. and he technically was not in his prime anymore. what did garnett do before he formed a super team. one con finals thats it.
KKinterlude so if LBJ won his 2007 and 2015 finals, he would be top 2 goat? because he didn't have all stars in those. I think you're giving Dirk too much respect. he won 1 chip from his 2 finals appearances with one finals mvp
1.) I have no problem with Lavar's comments. He should keep motivating his kids. 2.) Lebron is at least second or tied with Jordan for GOAT 3.) Dirk is top 20 all time but not better than Garnett. His shot was unstoppable 4.) Lebron is MVP every year but I would have to give it to Harden.
1) LaVar is actually HURTING his kids, Lonzo will be traded soon. 2) James MAYBE top 10, he can't even hold Kobe's jock 3-6 no clutch facts 3) Dirk top 20 and DEF > KG. 4) Debatable
Who is Karl Malone better then on list. Jordan, Chamberlain, Jabbar, Bill Russell, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Lebron, Tim Duncan, Olajuwon, Shaq, Kobe, Jerry West, Moses Malone, Oscar, Robertson, Dirk. Now you can argue that Kark Malone was better then Julius Irving. But then again you can argue that Walt Frazier, Dwyane Wade, Isiah Thomas were better then Karl Malone.
I have Malone the 4th best PF, because I believe guys like Duncan, Dirk, Garnett have done enough to surpass Karl, but Karl should definitely be 19 on the Top 20 list, since he is regarded as the best Player to never have won a ring.
Dirk is revolutionary. the fact that he put a spotlight on international players is big and he has a lot of players doing the one legged fade away shot. Also he revolutionized the 4 spot, a lot of big men need to be able to shoot now.
KG was an all-around player, I get it. But Colin, watch these two go against each other in their prime, and tell me with a straight face that you think KG is better
Wade should not be above Dirk. Dirk has an MVP and a Finals MVP. Dirk has been the best player of his team for 20 years. Wade was not the best player in Miami when Shaq was there or when LeBron was there, and he's not the best player now in Chicago. Dirk is 6th is scoring and Wade is 34th. Dirk is miles ahead of Wade.
TheHehe1223 Wade was by far the best player in Miami from 03-10. It stopped when lebron came. Wade was easily better than Shaq at that point, Shaq was out of his prime.
How close to top 10 is dirk though and why? He's got like 1 ring from 2 finals appearances. If that puts him that close to top 10, then it's a slap into the face to a few goats. it's a slap in the face to guys who have 3 or 4 rings
MistahUnknown cause of the way that ring came, he was the only all star in that team and defeated Lebrón (arguably a top 5 player ever) dwayne wade (arguably a top 15) and crish bosh (11 time all star) winning mvp and finals mvp that championship run
gerardgag he also lost to an 8th seed with a 67 win team.... Dirk isnt a better player than KG or Wade. KG was a top 5 player easily for 8 years of his career and the best pf in basketball.
The only thing I need to say is in his 2nd nba season Kawhi guarded Lebron in the finals and lost in 7 games.... Came back next year and swept the king and this season post similar stats in 6 minutes less play time #KawhiForMVP
who else guarded lebron during those finals? Tim Duncan, TP and Manu were all heavily on the decline in those series and Kawhi led the team in points the year they won. He basically did do it by himself everyone around him was a borderline role player.
so 28/8/5 on 56% from the field and 50% from 3 is similar to 16/6/2??? like seriously?? And in the last 4 games of the 2013 finals lebron averaged 32/10/7/3/1 on 48% from the field and 43% from 3 in 45 mpg. Also didn't kawhi failed to even score in double digits in games 1 and 2 of the 14 finals?? Dude I actually love Kawhi's game and think he's becoming a top 4 player, but just stop it now, you are completely distorting the facts to make it fit your argument. ''Kawhi came back and swept the king'' ... really dude?? First of all it was 4-1, second HE didn't sweep nobody, the Spurs (who actually would still be a pretty solid team evfen without him) played fantastic basketball and beat the Miami Heat.
One thing Nick Wright fails to mention is the supporting casts. LeBron by far has the best supporting cast out of all the candidates. Khawi is the MVP this year and I am not even a Spurs fan. Once again Wright can't help himself when it comes to LeBron. I wonder what his excuse will be if he loses the Finals this year? He'll probably say LeBron ran out gas, I can hear it now.
Percy Bedford Leonard has an extremely good supporting cast as well, along with maybe the best coach and GM ever. A big reason why Lebron has good players around him is because players take a pay cut because they want to play with him. No one is better at making players around him better then Lebron. Korver was shooting 42% from 3 in Atlanta. He is shooting over 52% from 3 in Cleveland.
Percy Bedford Their teams' win/loss records say you're wrong. LeBron has Kyrie and other nice guys. harden has the same and so does Kawhi. Westbrook doesn't have any shooters around him or they don't get enough oppurtunities to show it.
jaxsonlee10 wow so you judge win loss record by the talent on the team? LeBron is playing with 2 all stars in the East. Kawhi doesn't have an all star, he is out West and his team is fighting for 1st place. The Spurs have over achieved where as the Cavs have overwhelming under achieved.
While Dirk only won 1 ring, he did it without any other superstar in his team. Jason Terry was his only true side-kick when he won the chip. Also, he won it against Kobe, Bynum, Gasol in the semis. Harden, Ibaka, Westbrook, KD in WCF and Lebron, Wade, Bosh in the Finals. Think about that! He did this in a super tough WCF and even beat the Spurs team with Timmy, Manu and TParker. You rank Wade and KG higher? Well, let's change the narrative then, Dirk has Lebron and Bosh or Dirk with Ray Allen and Paul Pierce. Damn, 5 rings atleast IMHO.
Also, "He is a complete finess player". Ok and????? How and why does that matter? He was NOT a defensive liability as idiots believe and KD is not and never has been and, now, probably never will be as good as Dirk.
blake combs Kevin Durant is going to eventually Pass Dirk Nowitzki, But I agree with you how Dirk was not a defensive liability as many believe plus everything he accomplished surpasses KG
The kawiah point made no sense nick wright.when they take him off the floor it's usually when the other teams starters come off the floor. Analytics are so general and don't tell the full story.
Nick Wright is absolutely on point with DIrk. I think it's personally a toss up between Dirk and KG. Both very impressive resumes. I think Dirk's 2011 season gives him a slight edge. Dirk beat a Miami super team without another true super team. Now that Dallas team was really good, Jason Terry, Shaun Marion and Tyson Chandler plus Rick Carlisle as coach, but Dirk was the superstar. KG had some fantastic seasons like 2004 though with Minnesota, where I thought he might have been the best player in the world that year. I tend not to judge too much on rings because that's a team achievement, but when you lead your team to a ring that's different. E.g. Why Kobe shouldn't even be mentioned with Jordan even though it's 5 versus 6 rings cause Jordan won finals MVP and was the best players for all those rings, while Kobe had someone who won all 3 finals MVPs who was, when at his best, the most unstoppable player of all time.
Tod Wilkinson I agree. As a huge basketball fan, it is very easy for me to figure out who makes opinions based on just watching sports center highlights, and who actually watches games.
Agreed as an overall career, Durant is still relatively young and his defense has only improved at Golden State. So I wouldn't doubt if Durant isn't a future top 20 or top 15 player of all time.
still too early to place kd. he had a few injuries. we don't know if he will play until he's 38. he has no chip yet. only 1 finals appearnce. we will see how his all time stats look in 10 years. He's projected to be up there in the top 25s to 30s
scoop245 Kawhi doesn't get assists like lebron does tho. Turnovers come with the territory of getting assists. It's why Harden, Westbrook and Wall get a lot of turnovers as well.
Yaya Sanogo the only reason why he's going to the finals is because he's in the east. If he's in the west he might not even make it to the western conference finals.
He def earned number 2 after winning over the 2016 GSW's in the finals and in the manner that the Cavs won it. 3-1 a well as beating the best record team in NBA since Jordans bulls...
Lebron has an all star team and he'll most likely win less games than the rockets, harden for MVP. Take Westbrook off the thunder, worst team in the league. Take lebron off the cavs, they're still a top team in he east
MichaelC3 if you simply look at the plus minus rating of the cavs when Lebron is off the floor, the cavs are equivalent to a lottery team. So no you're wrong
+AK740 ''if you simply look at the plus minus'' blah blah blah. A Cavs team led by Kyrie and K Love would still be a top team in the East. Stop with the blatant nuthugging.
Shemzinho so explain why they can't get a win by themselves?? Or explain why when Lebron went to the bench in that MIA game Kyrie couldn't maintain a lead and got his team outscored by 22 damn points??? Just shut up already...we all know LeBron is the best...this man just hit y'all with straight FACTS and y'all stay stuck on stupid
How do you support that? KG was a non factor for a couple of years before he retired and so were the Timberwolves while he was there. If he never left he would be remembered as a guy with a huge motor and no playoff run let alone a championship. Dirk changed the game, KG didn´t. If the question is who do you pick at his absolute best, that´s a conversation. But Dirk´s career puts him ahead of KG.
And for all of the talk of Garnett's vaunted defense it sure didn't help him when The Timberwolves and Mavericks went head to head in the playoffs. They used Garnett as the main defender on Dirk and Dirk averaged 30+ points and 15 boards.
I personally would put Isiah Thomas (Zeke) in top 20. He was in era of many players in your top 20, he was an example of confident playmaker who knows how to run a team, his rivaly with MJ, Magic and Bird was huge
The Spurs being better on defense when Kawhi is off the court isn't necessarily because he is taking a bigger offensive workload. It's because teams are now running 4 v 4, and not using Kawhi's man on offense. CBS sports made an article about it a while back
Seriously though, who did Dirk even have with him when he won in 2011? An old Jason Kidd, JJ off the bench, Jason Terry, Tyson Chandler, Marion and some other role players. If Lebron won with the Cavs when he was first there, it would have been the same. Dirk absolutely smashed it. He had no help around him like we see with the superteams these days.
Whats colin talking about, people compare every euro big man who can shoot to dirk. Porzingis' upside was "the next dirk, but can also protect the rim" when he was getting drafted. You very rarely hear anyone called the next dwyane wade
If scoring 30k points doesn't warrant a player to top 20 to everyone then was the point of keeping track of the stats. I'll tell you this much all the respect Dirk gets from the greats out and in the league, to the people who actually played against him they know his greatness
The reason for that kawhi defensive stat is because the other teams best offensive option will literally stand in the corner until someone gets switched onto them other than kawhi
Topics | Nick Wight on LaVar Ball (00:03), Nick and Colin debate Dirk (2:25), Nick explains why LeBron is MVP (6:49)
Colin Cowherd I can't believe you see Dirk as a top 50-60 player. This is the same guy who shutdown the heat and was being mocked while sick Collin.
Colin Cowherd Do you hate dirk?
Mow Better Lawn Service what has Dallas done since? LeBron he won 3 championships since then.
Shane Barraza WAS I comparing Dirk to LeBron?
So team does not matter ?
Intrepreting and using stats how you see fit such bull.
So the guy in the western conference with NONE all star othen than himself, without their teams being even comparable in talent and having almost same record with better stats is not mvp?
How crazy can you be seriously.
Harden gonna break TO record but he also leading a team with no all star other than him and bunch of no names(maybe other than gordon)....maybe if he had people in his team that could help the workload he would actually have less T.O
Honest how biased can you be ....using stats without context at all?How come another time Colin had a show about stats do not matter for lebron?lol
When Porzingis was drafted everyone called him the next dirk. Actually any foreign Big who can shoot is deemed the next dirk
gridion109 and before that ,the one guy who played for toronto for awhile cant think of his name right now.
MrIveyssongwriter Andrea bargani
gridion109 and kevin love
gridion109 Lol every tall African is automatically hakeem the dream lmao it's just lazy comparisons
No one with sense thought he was the next Dirk. All those bigs can shoot, but if it wasnt for KD and steph curry, wed be talking about Dirk as one of the best 3 shooters of all time
colin is putting waaaaay too much disrespect on nowitzki's name
Disrespect? He's top 20. How is that disrespectful?
Navin did you even watch the video?
Colin said he's maybe top 60. now THAT is blasphemous.
asdf ghjk He sure is
John think of it this way.. mj is top 30
Literally after Dirk so many European players got drafted in hopes of the next Dirk example Darko Milicec or whatever. Porzingis is one of the most recent examples.
bigfatpanda99 good point
bigfatpanda99 I understand what you mean but that's more of a comparison by association rather than play style. Those bigs are compared to Dirk because they are European, not because he is the bar for a shooting big man. Kevin Durant is the prototypical lengthy wing player. Then again I think Dirk is top 20.
Matt Pease bigfatpanda99 people like Darko and Andrea Bargani were drafted so high because of the success of Dirk. Let's be honest Dirk was way ahead of his time. He pretty much made the stretch 4 position that's so coveted today. Kevin Durant has consistently played the 3 his entire career. Only until recently with golden state has he started playing more 4. When you look at his game KD is a wing with the way he handles the ball and shoots at 7 feet .
i was surprised that nick didnt bring this up after the DWade "argument", great point
Wrong, Toni Kukoc was the european player that had teams wanting to get one from europe. No Toni, no Dirk
Dirk is the one franchise player who never had a sidekick for his entire career. In 2011 he had Jason Terry, Tyson Chandler, Brendan Haywood, an older Shawn Marion and whatever was left of Jason Kidd, and took that team to a title. Dirk is absolutely top 20 all time.
Dirk had Steve Nash
AK740 he was not that same player in pheonix
Eth D well said buddy
Eth D Steve Nash? Michael Finley?
Not too mention everybody who keeps saying that cast was so great in 2011 was 2-7 without him that same season. Not saying his teammates didn't step there game up in the finals and played well throughout the playoffs but Dirk brought so many matchup problems that it allowed guys to flourish and get more open looks
I don't think Colin has ever watched Dirk play lol. Was probably so busy watching Lebron every play up the court in 2011 he didn't even notice Dirk then. Dirk is top 20 and its not really all that debatable.
Yeah idk about the cavs being a top team in the east without LeBron.
Real Talk It is bro. Like.... with all the great players in NBA history.. to be considered in the top 20, or even the top 50 .. ever is a great accomplishment.
Tell me someone more involved with the fans in the top 10. Dirk has done so much for the mavs it’s amazing that he isn’t noticed for it. He is top 15 in front of Hakeem and the doc
Nick Wright has a point tbh
Exactly
Thank you for being honest.
Honest opinions are always welcome.
Ken D you dont like facts huh?
Ken D he said 2x dpoy winner and never said he is a bad defender.
No offense Ken D, I do adhere with the eye ball test as well but you do have to acknowledge that the test is subjective because we don't view a certain player or certain players the same way. Plus, these awards that you speak of have some scientific basis upon them with a little application of the eye ball test from time to time. So, if you're saying that people who use analytics are stupid, then you're ignorant. Whenever people can't back up what their eyes see with data and facts, they usually say the same thing like what you're doing. Sorry, but Kawhi was the best defender over the past two years. Just not this year anymore because people get tired too man, whether you like it or not, his effect on defense isn't as good as it was before. That's because of taking more of an offensive load. If you don't like it, then you're free to acknowledge whatever you want. Peace
Saw nick wright, knew lebron would be a topic
U Tube wow what a shock
U Tube true
HAHAHAH that's why I clicked it
Me too! ;D
But it makes sense, Lebron was hyped as the next Jordan.
So Dirk isn't a top 20 player? I'd like to know those top 20 players in no particular order.
Yeah he's dumb.
Top 25, if were being honest :0
Mow Better Lawn Service Colin really doesn't need to talk about basketball. Like ever
DemGamers So Cool top 25 is great too, I'd like to see Collins' top 25 list in any order.
Forget about Top 10s or 20s; the question was if hes an ALL TIME GREAT. I have no clue how you argue that
Dirk really deserves to be a top of all time. Top 20 for sure maybe even top 15. If you dont agree its because you have not seen enough of him. He is one of the if not the most unguardable players when hot. One of the clutchest players of all time. 6th on scoring. Elite streak of winning seasons and taking the mavs to the playoffs almost by himself. Just watch his 2011 playoff run to catch a glimpse of Dirks greatness. That '11 playoff run has to be one of the greatest playoff runs of all time from any player in history.
Top 25 maybe.
Overrated
Dirk > Garnet, and it's not even close.
OHHHH STOP IT
Definitely. Only thing KG did better than Dirk was defend.
It's close, but Dirk > KG
@@funeralopolis1 And rebound. And pass.
Collin doesn't know what he is talking about.
I really love nick. Hes not screaming around and has reasonable arguments for the right things
Soooo much disrespect to Dirk, typical Cowherd
He's very narrow-minded and ignorant on a lot of things, usually only sees a topic from one side and doesn't look at it in its entirety.
Nick is actually an inspiration to someone like me who wants to do this. Hes incredible
I'm usually impressed by Coward and his input. He's way off here though. Dirk is clearly a top 20. Underrated defensively. Great rebounder. Offensively unstoppable.
He says all kinds of narrow-minded, half-baked, half-thought out stuff like this though lol. I've listened to him for 10 plus years, mainly because I just love sports talk in general and he's on the radio, but him, Skip, and Rob Parker say the craziest stuff to me sometimes. That's just my opinion though that's all.
ESPN broke down the Spurs D already....teams run sets away from Leonard's side to keep him out the play.
marlan henry thank you he has the biggest defensive impact
marlan henry I was disappointed he didn't bring that up. I was screaming at my tv lol
marlan henry they do the exact same thing to lebron
+dass man not really teams still score more when lebron is off the court as opposed to kawhi who teams score more on when he is on
thejonesbass I have no idea what that has to do with me saying teams avoid Lebron just like they do Leonard.
i think nick will ask bron out on a date at some point
LeBron is married. You stupid idiot!
SHADES OF CHRIS JERICHO
Good point on the long shot point Nick Wright is a very intelligent dude
The main reason kawhi makes the spurs defense "worse"when he is on the court is because, if you watch any game this year, essentially most teams put the guy he's guarding in the corner, avoiding kawhi entirely. Because he is a dominant defender. So what your left with are some aging players and young guys. Like seriously Nick is sounding like the spurs would be better without kawhi, what a joke.
mushroomfall not everything has to be so extreme. He is just pointing out defense is harder when you have to carry the offensive load. Teams avoid Lebron the same way that they avoid Leonard.
hes making the point for lebrons being mvp and most VALUABLE and people look at Kawhis defensive qualities and would expect more. its not about leonard being a worse defender or anything its his value defensively to the team
Dirk beat a super team with almost no help KG never did that
No Help jajajajajajajajaja
Tell me Luis, the teammate the Dirk had in 2011 that was comparable to Wade or Bosh.
Dirk won with a bunch of over the hill veterans on their last ride, and role players.
@@funeralopolis1 That's exactly what Wade and Bosh were. Wade (always injured veteran) and Bosh (soft as tissue role player. Sorry, but putting up double doubles on trash teams when you have a high usage rate doesn't make you good) and the Miami heat team in general were trash without LeBron.
When LeBron didn't play the Heat were below .500
When LeBron DID play and went to the bench, the Heat had a negative plus/minus
The Heat were ONLY GOOD when LeBron was on the court. Take LeBron off and they are in the bottom 3 of the East with that bench and roleplayers.
Xzei so then find me the teammate that dirk has you would take before wade and bosh. Terry was Dallas 2nd best player. Marion was the 3rd. They were not even comparable to Bosh or Wade.
Not a debate to be had on any level. The talent disparity was clear.
@@funeralopolis1 So you want to name players and compare them based on the entirety of their careers and use that as evidence when discussing production in 1 playoff series?
Chris Bosh shot 41% that series and could do NOTHING against Dirk. MIKE BIBBY was the starting PG for Miami. Only LeBron, Wade, and Haslem shot over like 45% I think. The 3-PT shooting was 41% to 34%, and the point differential for the series was less than 3 points per game. And statistically (offensively and defensively) both Tyson Chandler and Jason Terry outplayed Chris Bosh. OFF/DEF rating, PER, GS, whatever you like. That enough or do you still believe Dirk had no help because of "name on back of jersey is bad grrrr"
There are 2 types of analysts, those who will criticize everything LeBron does and those that will defend his every action.
I agree with Nick on Dirk
Dirk is my favorite player ever
Whether I agree or disagree with Nick Wright, I like his perspective & the angles he takes in debates.. Get this man his own show!
People keep saying Lebron has a superteam, but what makes it so super? The starting 5 includes J.R. Smith and Tristan Thompson. They are solid starters, but not stars. Kevin Love is an all-star but can't get his own shot and struggles defensively. Kyrie is an all-star PG who is a scoring wizard, but struggles as a facilitator and is not a good defender. The rotation includes a couple of 36-yr-olds (RJ, Korver), 34-yr-old Channing Frye, 32-yr-old Deron Williams, Iman Shumpert & Derrick Williams. Lebron somehow makes it all work at a championship level. But it all falls apart when he's not on the floor. That doesn't spell "superteam" to me.
Tod Wilkinson yet they are 0-5 without bron and 15.1 point differential when he's off the floor.
Cornell Cannon very true. Although Kyrie is improving as a passer, he still doesn't do it enough in my opinion.
Cornell Cannon its a superteam because lebron has shooters everywhere, he has that once in a millennium talent to make guys like that relevant and productive. the warriors are a superteam tho
Tod Wilkinson what lol
Colin is wrong about Dirk. Just because you don't agree with the way Dirk plays does not make him less great man. His a great finesse player.
its unbelievable to think dirk isnt in the top 20. he won a title with no second allstar. and he technically was not in his prime anymore. what did garnett do before he formed a super team. one con finals thats it.
KKinterlude so if LBJ won his 2007 and 2015 finals, he would be top 2 goat? because he didn't have all stars in those. I think you're giving Dirk too much respect. he won 1 chip from his 2 finals appearances with one finals mvp
Nick and Colin = best sports discussion tandem.
Nick must soon get his own show. Nick is fantastic to explain his stand.
Kind of his job
1.) I have no problem with Lavar's comments. He should keep motivating his kids.
2.) Lebron is at least second or tied with Jordan for GOAT
3.) Dirk is top 20 all time but not better than Garnett. His shot was unstoppable
4.) Lebron is MVP every year but I would have to give it to Harden.
Dirk is better than Garnet.
1) LaVar is actually HURTING his kids, Lonzo will be traded soon. 2) James MAYBE top 10, he can't even hold Kobe's jock 3-6 no clutch facts 3) Dirk top 20 and DEF > KG. 4) Debatable
this is the video that got me hooked on both colins show and nicks show.
Dirk is easily top 20. 16-20 range is right around his area
I love how nick put kg as 20, the dude is one of the most underrated greats ever! Thank you nick!
Karl Malone not on the list? These guys are crazy
leibniz to be fair it help that Malone played with a point guard that actually enjoyed passing the ball.
Who is Karl Malone better then on list.
Jordan, Chamberlain, Jabbar, Bill Russell, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Lebron, Tim Duncan, Olajuwon, Shaq, Kobe, Jerry West, Moses Malone, Oscar, Robertson, Dirk.
Now you can argue that Kark Malone was better then Julius Irving. But then again you can argue that Walt Frazier, Dwyane Wade, Isiah Thomas were better then Karl Malone.
I have Malone the 4th best PF, because I believe guys like Duncan, Dirk, Garnett have done enough to surpass Karl, but Karl should definitely be 19 on the Top 20 list, since he is regarded as the best Player to never have won a ring.
Dirk is revolutionary. the fact that he put a spotlight on international players is big and he has a lot of players doing the one legged fade away shot. Also he revolutionized the 4 spot, a lot of big men need to be able to shoot now.
Nick Wright needs his own show
James Pilgrim no he doesn't
James Pilgrim yea because we all wanna hear 2 hrs of lebron facts
James Pilgrim he really doesn't
preach
Commandosoap777 dude polarises the fans probably more than skip does. His ratings would be through the roof 😂👍
Agree, i salute this father.He rolled the dice and so far he has proven everyone wrong.
Nick should get his own show.
I wonder if they pay him enough to be a guest on these shows. Lol
No because his topics will always be about Lebron 😂
He just did, cohosting with Chris Carter on FS1 starting in September
Where can we see more Nick Wright?
KG was an all-around player, I get it. But Colin, watch these two go against each other in their prime, and tell me with a straight face that you think KG is better
A.A.Ron Davis those timberwolves tms were not as bad as ya make it seem especially at that time when he had sam casell and Latrell spreewell
NICK WRIGHT, I LOVE WATCHING THIS GUY BECAUSE HE GOES BY FACTS!!!!!!!
yes nick wright ignore the fact harden and kawhi teams will win more games than cleveland in the regular season 😩
these bronsexuals don't care about facts
you say that as if the regular season actually matters
jtmck06 then why are you bronsexuals crying over a regular season award
Mvp is a individual award so your teams record really doesn't matter unless your not making the playoffs or an 7/8th seed
Vee Perkins while lebron has an all star team lmao
It's ridiculous how Nick Wright is always on Point!
I know Robert Covington............
I love Nick Wright so much
Wade should not be above Dirk. Dirk has an MVP and a Finals MVP. Dirk has been the best player of his team for 20 years. Wade was not the best player in Miami when Shaq was there or when LeBron was there, and he's not the best player now in Chicago. Dirk is 6th is scoring and Wade is 34th. Dirk is miles ahead of Wade.
Wade does have a finals mvp
Tod Wilkinson you don't know what you're talking about. just stop lol
This guy must have started watching basketball a year ago
Wade has a Finals MVP and Wade not top 50??? Stop talking about basketball.
TheHehe1223 Wade was by far the best player in Miami from 03-10. It stopped when lebron came. Wade was easily better than Shaq at that point, Shaq was out of his prime.
YES MORE NICK WRIGHT!!!! HE IS THE BEST!!!!
Honestly Dirk is closer to top 10
TheBig Phenom nah
How close to top 10 is dirk though and why? He's got like 1 ring from 2 finals appearances. If that puts him that close to top 10, then it's a slap into the face to a few goats. it's a slap in the face to guys who have 3 or 4 rings
MistahUnknown cause of the way that ring came, he was the only all star in that team and defeated Lebrón (arguably a top 5 player ever) dwayne wade (arguably a top 15) and crish bosh (11 time all star) winning mvp and finals mvp that championship run
gerardgag he also lost to an 8th seed with a 67 win team.... Dirk isnt a better player than KG or Wade. KG was a top 5 player easily for 8 years of his career and the best pf in basketball.
The only thing I need to say is in his 2nd nba season Kawhi guarded Lebron in the finals and lost in 7 games.... Came back next year and swept the king and this season post similar stats in 6 minutes less play time #KawhiForMVP
Chris Whitson you make it seem like kawhi didn't have good teammates like he did it all by himself
Chris Whitson Nice story bro but its 2017 right now not 2013
who else guarded lebron during those finals? Tim Duncan, TP and Manu were all heavily on the decline in those series and Kawhi led the team in points the year they won. He basically did do it by himself everyone around him was a borderline role player.
Kawhi is so much better now than in 2013 and 2014, so I'm unsure of your argument here you stated a fact that posed nothing for debate.
so 28/8/5 on 56% from the field and 50% from 3 is similar to 16/6/2??? like seriously?? And in the last 4 games of the 2013 finals lebron averaged 32/10/7/3/1 on 48% from the field and 43% from 3 in 45 mpg. Also didn't kawhi failed to even score in double digits in games 1 and 2 of the 14 finals?? Dude I actually love Kawhi's game and think he's becoming a top 4 player, but just stop it now, you are completely distorting the facts to make it fit your argument. ''Kawhi came back and swept the king'' ... really dude?? First of all it was 4-1, second HE didn't sweep nobody, the Spurs (who actually would still be a pretty solid team evfen without him) played fantastic basketball and beat the Miami Heat.
Nick Wright dropping some FACTS.
One thing Nick Wright fails to mention is the supporting casts. LeBron by far has the best supporting cast out of all the candidates. Khawi is the MVP this year and I am not even a Spurs fan. Once again Wright can't help himself when it comes to LeBron. I wonder what his excuse will be if he loses the Finals this year? He'll probably say LeBron ran out gas, I can hear it now.
Percy Bedford Leonard has an extremely good supporting cast as well, along with maybe the best coach and GM ever. A big reason why Lebron has good players around him is because players take a pay cut because they want to play with him. No one is better at making players around him better then Lebron. Korver was shooting 42% from 3 in Atlanta. He is shooting over 52% from 3 in Cleveland.
Dass Man the reason LeBron has so many good players around him is because he's the gm.
0-5 without bron this year. Without kawhi 7-1. But I say harden wins MVP this year
Percy Bedford Their teams' win/loss records say you're wrong. LeBron has Kyrie and other nice guys. harden has the same and so does Kawhi. Westbrook doesn't have any shooters around him or they don't get enough oppurtunities to show it.
jaxsonlee10 wow so you judge win loss record by the talent on the team? LeBron is playing with 2 all stars in the East. Kawhi doesn't have an all star, he is out West and his team is fighting for 1st place. The Spurs have over achieved where as the Cavs have overwhelming under achieved.
While Dirk only won 1 ring, he did it without any other superstar in his team. Jason Terry was his only true side-kick when he won the chip. Also, he won it against Kobe, Bynum, Gasol in the semis. Harden, Ibaka, Westbrook, KD in WCF and Lebron, Wade, Bosh in the Finals. Think about that! He did this in a super tough WCF and even beat the Spurs team with Timmy, Manu and TParker. You rank Wade and KG higher? Well, let's change the narrative then, Dirk has Lebron and Bosh or Dirk with Ray Allen and Paul Pierce. Damn, 5 rings atleast IMHO.
Jason Kidd was his teammate. He may have been past his prime but he was still indispensable and averaging 8 assists per game.
Also, "He is a complete finess player". Ok and????? How and why does that matter? He was NOT a defensive liability as idiots believe and KD is not and never has been and, now, probably never will be as good as Dirk.
blake combs Kevin Durant is going to eventually Pass Dirk Nowitzki, But I agree with you how Dirk was not a defensive liability as many believe plus everything he accomplished surpasses KG
N8ve Jay Totally agree. I'll even admit now that KD is more talented than Dirk ever was (and that's saying something).
blake combs btw, I have Dirk the 2nd best PF of all time, ranked at 14th, but for now, Kevin Durant is right behind him...
Great work Wright.
The kawiah point made no sense nick wright.when they take him off the floor it's usually when the other teams starters come off the floor. Analytics are so general and don't tell the full story.
Nick Wright is absolutely on point with DIrk. I think it's personally a toss up between Dirk and KG. Both very impressive resumes. I think Dirk's 2011 season gives him a slight edge. Dirk beat a Miami super team without another true super team. Now that Dallas team was really good, Jason Terry, Shaun Marion and Tyson Chandler plus Rick Carlisle as coach, but Dirk was the superstar. KG had some fantastic seasons like 2004 though with Minnesota, where I thought he might have been the best player in the world that year. I tend not to judge too much on rings because that's a team achievement, but when you lead your team to a ring that's different. E.g. Why Kobe shouldn't even be mentioned with Jordan even though it's 5 versus 6 rings cause Jordan won finals MVP and was the best players for all those rings, while Kobe had someone who won all 3 finals MVPs who was, when at his best, the most unstoppable player of all time.
I like Nick...He is like younger Max Kellerman...just know his stuff and make clear arguments tat connect...current Max is still good..
Tod Wilkinson I agree. As a huge basketball fan, it is very easy for me to figure out who makes opinions based on just watching sports center highlights, and who actually watches games.
When Colin started talking bout Wade, I started to rage. Thanks Nick Wright for sticking up for a legend. When do you get your own show?
The reason spurs defensive stats increase when Kawhi is off is because the opposing SF just stands in the corner all possession
This bronsexuals is still salty over 2011
#Not1Not2But8Points
No one is still salty about something that happened 6 years ago. You still salty about 3-1?
Curry's Dad what makes you think he likes the warriors
Loominaughty I'm not salty he has redeemed himself by winning three championships since then
currys dad 6 years but this is history LeBum took that L with team full of all stars
Fe3o' connor will fook alvarez
Two other all stars.
This is the one time I totally agree with Nick.
nowitzki better than durant😐
For now, yes
Agreed as an overall career, Durant is still relatively young and his defense has only improved at Golden State. So I wouldn't doubt if Durant isn't a future top 20 or top 15 player of all time.
Chris S. yeah i was thinking of the career
still too early to place kd. he had a few injuries. we don't know if he will play until he's 38. he has no chip yet. only 1 finals appearnce. we will see how his all time stats look in 10 years. He's projected to be up there in the top 25s to 30s
btw great list of top20 alltime Nick! it is nearly my list.
So turnovers is nicks only defense against Russ vs. bron??????? Foh
Tsukuru Tazaki no Harden vs Bron
Tsukuru Tazaki three point and field goal percentage bud and record
Tsukuru Tazaki lol it's even funnier considering Lebron has a higher turnover percentage than westbrook
He also left out the fact the lebron has 4th most TOs in the league. Kawhi has 2 a game.
scoop245 Kawhi doesn't get assists like lebron does tho. Turnovers come with the territory of getting assists. It's why Harden, Westbrook and Wall get a lot of turnovers as well.
Nick out here talkin straight facts 💯
Lebron has 2 all stars, highest payroll in nba history. and has less wins than harden who plays in the west and who's next best player is Eric gordon
Loominaughty Lebron will get to the finals harden won't
Yea, Lebron's team is suffering though injuries not Harden's. Kevin Love is injured so its 1 all star.
Yaya Sanogo Ok? I'm a LeBron fan but this is a regular season award and Harden is balling
Yaya Sanogo the only reason why he's going to the finals is because he's in the east. If he's in the west he might not even make it to the western conference finals.
Eric gordon is having a great year. Hes shooting lights out
He is my new favorite sports analyst
Lmao how much does lebron pay these guys?
Blake C how can u say that if he said all facts
Blorox Bleach he has LeBron at number 2 all time. What a joke.
Mr E he's lower than that to me. He folds up in clutch situations. He might not be top 20.
Very
He def earned number 2 after winning over the 2016 GSW's in the finals and in the manner that the Cavs won it. 3-1 a well as beating the best record team in NBA since Jordans bulls...
Nick needs his own show
Wheres KD???? is this a joke?
In what way.
KD is injured.
Vale lol kd top 20? maybe if he gets a ring in oklahoma
Pretty sure he asked where KD is in the MVP race. Also if he wins a ring + Finals MVP this year he'll become top 20 all time
Andrew Blackop KD gets that much of an easy ticket into top 20 list? oh come on man. Not fair to a few guys
the MVP should be changed to the "hey you did really good this year" award
Lebron has an all star team and he'll most likely win less games than the rockets, harden for MVP. Take Westbrook off the thunder, worst team in the league. Take lebron off the cavs, they're still a top team in he east
MichaelC3 if you simply look at the plus minus rating of the cavs when Lebron is off the floor, the cavs are equivalent to a lottery team. So no you're wrong
+AK740 ''if you simply look at the plus minus'' blah blah blah. A Cavs team led by Kyrie and K Love would still be a top team in the East. Stop with the blatant nuthugging.
Shemzinho so explain why they can't get a win by themselves?? Or explain why when Lebron went to the bench in that MIA game Kyrie couldn't maintain a lead and got his team outscored by 22 damn points??? Just shut up already...we all know LeBron is the best...this man just hit y'all with straight FACTS and y'all stay stuck on stupid
Shemzinho 4-20 with out lebron
Shemzinho Then why are 0-5 this year without lebron...facts hurt huh?
nick wright is like a frickin basketball encyclopedia
Kevin Garnet is far better than Dirk STOP IT
How do you support that? KG was a non factor for a couple of years before he retired and so were the Timberwolves while he was there. If he never left he would be remembered as a guy with a huge motor and no playoff run let alone a championship. Dirk changed the game, KG didn´t. If the question is who do you pick at his absolute best, that´s a conversation. But Dirk´s career puts him ahead of KG.
apologies, one playoff run.
And for all of the talk of Garnett's vaunted defense it sure didn't help him when The Timberwolves and Mavericks went head to head in the playoffs. They used Garnett as the main defender on Dirk and Dirk averaged 30+ points and 15 boards.
No he isn't. If he's far better, why didn't he ever beat him in the playoffs? Sit down clown.
Nick is the best analyst there is
Would love to watch the finals with collin and nick
nicks mvp argument was the best ive ever seen
fascinating... so 4 years ago nick wright had good takes
Nick wright has never had a bad argument, especially the Lebron for MVP at the end, he speaks the truth.
This guy says dirk should be up there because of all time scoring then doesn’t put Karl Malone on his list...
Jeremy F he also mentioned a ring and finals MVP which Malone doesn't have
2011 by itself could put Dirk in the top 20 for real.
I personally would put Isiah Thomas (Zeke) in top 20. He was in era of many players in your top 20, he was an example of confident playmaker who knows how to run a team, his rivaly with MJ, Magic and Bird was huge
Im not your biggest fan Nick Wright, but you just won a lot of cool points with me. Dirk is the GOAT
GIVE NICK WRIGHT HIS OWN SHOW
Give nick his own show
Nick Wright is the best in the bizz
The Spurs being better on defense when Kawhi is off the court isn't necessarily because he is taking a bigger offensive workload. It's because teams are now running 4 v 4, and not using Kawhi's man on offense. CBS sports made an article about it a while back
wow nick wright has a top 20 VERY similar to mine...i had dirk at 18
If Nick Wright makes those arguments for Dirk v. Wade (longevity and consistency), why does he not make similar arguments for Kareem v. Jordan?
It's so hard for me because I hate Nick weight but can't stop listening to Nick Wright
Nick Wright is a beast lol
We need Nick on first take.. Just to to see him and SAS go at it..
Coming from a GS fan,Nick wright convinced me on how the MVP should be
Seriously though, who did Dirk even have with him when he won in 2011? An old Jason Kidd, JJ off the bench, Jason Terry, Tyson Chandler, Marion and some other role players.
If Lebron won with the Cavs when he was first there, it would have been the same. Dirk absolutely smashed it. He had no help around him like we see with the superteams these days.
"Shoot for the moon, even if you miss you you''ll land among the stars" I guess that's the way he's raised his kids
Whats colin talking about, people compare every euro big man who can shoot to dirk. Porzingis' upside was "the next dirk, but can also protect the rim" when he was getting drafted. You very rarely hear anyone called the next dwyane wade
If scoring 30k points doesn't warrant a player to top 20 to everyone then was the point of keeping track of the stats. I'll tell you this much all the respect Dirk gets from the greats out and in the league, to the people who actually played against him they know his greatness
when I see Nick wright he reminds me of that scene in step Brothers when dude says idk what it is about your face but I just want to hit it!
The reason for that kawhi defensive stat is because the other teams best offensive option will literally stand in the corner until someone gets switched onto them other than kawhi
Jalen Reese exactly. the analytics dont explain why the numbers are what they are all the time, which is why I still use the eye test.
You said no one says next dirk but is forgetting about Kelly Olynyk Kristaps Porzingis and Lauri Markannen