Funny Trivia: While promoting the comedy "Little Fockers" , Dustin Hoffman and Robert DeNiro appeared on the Late Show with David Letterman where Letterman brought up that a powerhouse film should be made with the two of them and their peers. DeNiro then brought up then He and Martin Scorsese were working on something with Al Pacino and Joe Pesci. Hoffman jokingly looks away and says "I have mixed feelings about that." Of which DeNiro jokingly replied "I'm going to have to find something for you". The Irishman was the film they were discussing and although Dustin Hoffman is not in the film, his son Jake Hoffman played Allen Dorfman.
That is intresting! So I guess Robert DeNiro stood by his word but passed it on to his son instead? Haha would have been intresting to see Dustin Hoffman in the movie instead, though it might have led to too many lead characters.
@@robbyrdog Scorscese and De Niro planned to make it ever since 2004, 2009 or something. However many movie studios refused to support it because they thought it would be too long or something.
In Casino the mob leaders said that the character based on Dorfman (Stone) would not rat them out. But the mob ordered the hit anyway just to make sure.
One wonders how far this sort of situation could go. Almost any associate, partner, employee or friend could become a rat, so to really ‘make sure’ just about everyone would need to be done in, and then the ones doing the doing in would need to be done in, and then the, and then the, etc. Even then they would never be sure
@@riazhassan6570 The distinction for them (in Casino at least) was that he wasn't fully Italian and therefore couldn't be trusted as he wasnt 'one of them'
I think screenplay writer Nicholas Pileggi in the movie "Casino" got it right for why Andy Stone (the character based on Allen Dorman) was hit. FORLANO (Putting down his oxygen mask once the door behind him is shut) He won't talk. Stone is a good kid. Stand-up guy, just like his old man. That's the way I see it. BORELLI I agree. He's solid. A fuckin' Marine. CAPELLI (Holding his oxygen mask) He's okay. He always was. Remo, what do you think? GAGGI (Pause) Look... why take a chance? At least, that's the way I feel about it.
@East Afro Because the story is both? Giancana was out of Chicago, Bufalino and Salerno was PA NY, Tony Pro was NJ. It's not like they all don't work with each other. They even bring up Marcello out of Louisiana.
@East Afro I'll go with you there Spilotro had nothing to do with the Hoffa stuff as far as we know. Although Tony and Momo were very good friends. Do you think Spilotro was the one who did Giancana?
Having your brains spread across the street in broad daylight is a pretty brutal way to go lol. There was obviously a message in his murder; they very much thought Dorfman had flipped at the time.
@@matthew92604 Oh but Tony Spilotro and his brother(played by Pesci in the movie Casino) got tenderized by baseball bats. I think Dorfman had it a little better.
The hotel where Dorfman was killed is not far from my house It was an interesting building - it was purple, but it actually looked nice. You wouldn’t think you could pull off purple on a large building, but it worked. We tried renting a large room there in order to have a post prom party, but the hotel staff caught on, probably because we started giggling when they told us how much it would cost. IIRC it was a Hyatt at the time. Maybe a Hilton. But it was nice. Our hijinks were (obviously) not as bad as shooting someone 8 times. In a parking lot. In broad daylight. Anyway, the hotel was demolished and the village held a fundraiser, auctioning off the purple bricks. As kids, we used to go trick or treating in River Forest, which is a nice suburb just west of Chicago. We always went to Tony Accardo’s house because they gave out great candy. Full sized bars. Which was amazing for west side city kids in the mid 70s. And no, he never came to the door.
Lol I did the marble floor and carpet cleaning at the Purple Hotel on Touhy in the 90's before they closed. The place certainly had a vibe to it. Certainly a unique venue, regardless of it's history. That purple stood out.
Went to brunch at the Purple Hotel, knew it very well. Please note Dorfman's murder was early afternoon and the hotel is about two blocks from the Lincolnwood Police Headquarters
You’ve done it again. You always do your homework so well and put your videos together so well. Everything I’ve seen from you I can tell took a lot of effort and as a daily RUclips watcher I really appreciate that. I’m finally subbing, I should have done that after the first video. Keep it up man!!!
Allen Dorfman died January 20, 1983 after being indicted for doing a quid pro quo for Senator Howard Cannon of Nevada. The FBI conducted operation Strawman which snagged midwestern Mob bosses talking about skimming Vegas casinos and their deals with the teamsters. Dorfman was like the CEO of the mob bank and he knew too much, they had to kill Dorfman before the feds got him to talk. He was facing 55 years in prison. A great source: Mafias greatest hits: Allen Dorfman
I got the sense that in the original draft they intended to tell Sheeran's story in a manner as to leave the audience debating whether it was true or whether he was trying to Forest Gump his own story. I think that angle got lost when they shoehorned Pacino in as Hoffa.
I think the "inaccurate" dates may have been intentional, hinting at Frank's possibly unreliable narration. There are also a few disparities between how a character is said to have died and how they actually died. However, it's pretty subtle. It's pretty hard to believe they would make a mistake like that. Also, you don't pronounce the last s in Illinois lol
@@theportugueselegend I had to rewatch Sally's death a few times because I noticed that and had to make sure. I noticed a few extra shots they didn't count and noticed only two shots to the face.
You know, I'm starting to think that you Americans don't know how to pronounce your own states. How is Kansas pronounced Can-zis, but Arkansas is Ar-Ken-Saw? No, it's supposed to be pronounced Ill-a-noise, but the people who pronounce it the wrong way are just trying to be French.
and the cops never thought this would happen? similar to Abe Reles, "the canary who could sing but couldn't fly," he was being guarded by a special police squad designed to protect him. they said he tried to escape from the people protecting him by tying two sheets together and lowering himself down from the hotel's 11th floor. the sheets were no way long enough to do it. not one arrest.
Elbert Derf I was honestly shocked that 5 weeks went by between Dorfman getting indicted and then him being killed. I’d love to know the story on this one. Did the feds just drop the ball or did Dorfman just refuse to talk.. This is a guy who never killed anyone, the feds may have offered a reduced sentence or no time at all for the treasure trove of knowledge he had
Theres a reason it says 1979 instead of 1983. I dont know it. Prolly reliability, as you mentioned.This is a 150 million plus movie. I dont see them "accidentally" making such a "mistake"
Allen Dorfman died in 1983 s week after his sixtieth birthday. In 1979 Alan Glick sold the casino Frank Rosenthal lost his battle with the Nevada Gaming Commission over licensure.
I know that parking lot -- the one where Dorfman was hit. I pass it on most days: the old Purple (Hyatt) Hotel on the northwest corner of Lincoln and Touhy Avenues in Lincolnwood. It's 40 years, however, since the hit. The hotel, which was a local landmark, has been razed.
One of the reasons they changed the year of his death in The Irishman was to not tie it to the whole Casino thing as that was another story all together
He made Glimco look like a clown in the movie. In reality Glimco was a very serious ruthless Chicago gangster. He's probably the one behind the Dorfman hit.
When Frank tells Russal that Jimmy is losing it. Russell say at some time the old timers will reach out to the old man, and straighten everything out. The same scene Russall tells Frank the old timers reached out to the old man the old man told his son jack dont forget who he owes. Does this mean the old timers talked to the old man or were going to talk to the old man ?
I loved that hotel when I was a kid. Spent 04 & 05 new years there. Cant believe they let it fall apart like that. Knowing Dorfman got killed there is crazy.
Kado T. Cartman is that the hotel on like Davon or Oakton heading into the north side? I drove past that for years on my way to Rogers Park. It was sad to see that building crumble, I always wanted to do like a secret rave there
@@darknutgaming5510 it was on Touhy & Lincoln in Lincolnwood. Edge water/Rogers park, that's the neighborhood right there. But yeah, it was sad to see that place like that for those years until the end. I loved that place.
An old girlfriend of mine was the manager on duty at the Hyatt during the time of the hit. For some reason she was on the 10:00 news that night giving an interview about the incident, as if she knew anything. I'm suspecting the reporters searched her out just becase she was good looking.
Allen was shot by Frank Schwiehs (once in the leg so he couldn't run) and 7 in the head Schweihs died in prison waiting to go to trial for that murder and several others..I was there
It is revealed in the book 'Casino' that Allen Dorfman was shot in the carpark. he must be the one in the movie who was shot in the carpark during the house of the rising sun montage
Dorfman was walking to his car with Irwin Weiner. Weiner was untouched. Weiner was a long time friend of Jack Ruby. Weiner and Ruby phone calls were quite numerous in 1963. Put that puzzle together.
Tell us what the significance of 8 shots to the head is about; that would be helpful. Also, Dorfman, being a Marine during WWII and, I'm sure seeing plenty of combat, would not be a candidate for ratting on people he was loyal to, worked with, and knew most of his life. He was smart enough to know that being a rat to avoid prison time, would get him killed; as evidenced by the shotgun attack on his car when he was leaving his garage that day.
According to informant Rex Wemette, It's simply a trademark of notorious hitman Frank "The German" Schweihs . He puts 1 in the leg and 8 in their head or something like that. Chicago had Very efficient killers like Harry Alemn, Frank Schweihs, Frank Calabreze Sr. , Joey Lombardo, etc
and trying to make them look like 30 and 40 year olds through computer generation which ended up making them look like senior citizens with bad facelifts and Botox injections.
@@steviem5279 Exactly, that anti ageing technology didn't work at all and the actual timeline wasn't clear at all, cause decades supposedly went by and the characters just went from old to very old!
Cheryl Lynne drowning wasn’t painful. Just exhausting Really REALLY exhausting and takes FOREVER If you’re fortunate to survive you may be left with psychological scars...but I felt no physical pain while it happened
I thought Andy stone was based on the guy who gives the money the head of the teamsters pinch in found and founded green to build a casino? So basically I always thought Andy stone was based on Jimmy Hoffa ??
At that time Joe Aiuppa was bods of the outfit. He didn't mess about. If a choice between killing someone but making a mistake and not killing some one mistakenly and getting imprisoned because they could be a witness. Well they would be killed just in case. In other words Aiuppa didn't take chanced. The amount of Hits by and in Chicago during his reign ad boss attests to this fact. If Aiuppa even thought you possibly could put them away you went away. Simple no risk manoeuvres.
Hollywood doesn’t get pinned down with having to adhere to facts : sometimes events are left vague and approximate.... stone started , according to some detroiters , to behave arrogantly , rude to drivers , even cops , whom in Detroit are famous for their do it my way cops ... too many calls about him reached the Detroit bosses ... nyc bosses and philly , thus the many shots .... some said , he had received warnings before... but still he kept the attitude.
Scorsese movie's were a bunch of mob related stories mixed in with unsolved homicides from the 60s and 70s..In 2007 the Family Secrets trial exposed those movies fo what they really were MOVIES.Dorfmann was nothing like the guy in this video and a crook most of his life..Little digging and you'll find multiple Chicago Outfit made members have accepted and served multiple 20yr plus sentences refusing to cooperate..Little common sense would tell you F.B.I. has a better chance getting the guy who served less than a year in the feds and is facing 55yrs to crack than a bunch of killers that dont mind jail.if you wanna dig some more you'll find Dorfmans lawyer meeting with the feds the week of trial..
Lol Andy Stone gets whacked because he (knew too much) wasn't an Italian,according to Nicky Santoro. Nicky happened to be Italian,didnt stop the same crew from baseball batting his brother,then Nicky before burying both of them alive in a corn field. "Oi! This corn tastes loik shit!"
Scorsese should have watched Mafias greatest hits; that guy in the documentary looked like Allen Dorfman. He was a real hardass jerk of a guy until he saw his mob overseer Joey “The Clown” Columbo. who made sure he followed mob orders
That was very interesting but the movie the Irishman was probably the worst movie I have ever seen it totally sucked and all of the information was wrong or Martin Scorsese just took it upon himself to put things in the movie that never even happened and in my opinion Robert De Niro and Martin Scorsese should both retire they are both great in what they do but they really crashed and burned in the Irishman
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For Pendorf see operation Penetrate Dorfman. In case you didnt know.
"Why take a chance?? At least that's the way I feel about it." 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
Casino!
Remo gaggi!
@@alg6403 "Other than that, Stoney would probably still be here."
He could have talked
Nice Casino reference.
Love your style. No annoying music/"special effects", but informative narration.👍🏻
Thank you so much
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Agreed
Funny Trivia: While promoting the comedy "Little Fockers" , Dustin Hoffman and Robert DeNiro appeared on the Late Show with David Letterman where Letterman brought up that a powerhouse film should be made with the two of them and their peers. DeNiro then brought up then He and Martin Scorsese were working on something with Al Pacino and Joe Pesci. Hoffman jokingly looks away and says "I have mixed feelings about that." Of which DeNiro jokingly replied "I'm going to have to find something for you". The Irishman was the film they were discussing and although Dustin Hoffman is not in the film, his son Jake Hoffman played Allen Dorfman.
Damn, it took them that long to make the Irishman?
That’s awesome!
That is intresting! So I guess Robert DeNiro stood by his word but passed it on to his son instead? Haha would have been intresting to see Dustin Hoffman in the movie instead, though it might have led to too many lead characters.
@@robbyrdog
Scorscese and De Niro planned to make it ever since 2004, 2009 or something. However many movie studios refused to support it because they thought it would be too long or something.
Hoffman should have had a roll. He played Dutch Schultz really well in the very mediocre Billy Bathgate.
This is so well done. No fancy BS, just a compelling story. Thanks. You should do the whole mob!
Thanks very much
@@CineRanter youre gonna fuck the whole mob? Better bring a lot of condoms! 😅
In Casino the mob leaders said that the character based on Dorfman (Stone) would not rat them out. But the mob ordered the hit anyway just to make sure.
exactly
One wonders how far this sort of situation could go. Almost any associate, partner, employee or friend could become a rat, so to really ‘make sure’ just about everyone would need to be done in, and then the ones doing the doing in would need to be done in, and then the, and then the, etc. Even then they would never be sure
@@riazhassan6570 The distinction for them (in Casino at least) was that he wasn't fully Italian and therefore couldn't be trusted as he wasnt 'one of them'
Why take a chance ?
@@discrij6073 Kill everyone?
I think screenplay writer Nicholas Pileggi in the movie "Casino" got it right for why Andy Stone (the character based on Allen Dorman) was hit.
FORLANO
(Putting down his
oxygen mask once the
door behind him is
shut)
He won't talk. Stone is a good kid.
Stand-up guy, just like his old man.
That's the way I see it.
BORELLI
I agree. He's solid. A fuckin' Marine.
CAPELLI
(Holding his oxygen
mask)
He's okay. He always was. Remo, what
do you think?
GAGGI
(Pause)
Look... why take a chance? At least,
that's the way I feel about it.
Dorfman sealed his fate when he stole a shinebox
Dude, not sure if you knew this or not, Allen don't shine shoes no more. I don't know if they went up to prison to tell yu, I don't shine no more
@@charliemunk2947 what’s gotten into you I haven’t seen you in a long time and right away you’re acting fresh. I’m only kidding with yah
@@socallawrence you kinda insulted him a bit, but don’t worry - drinks are on the house. Get us a drink!
@@odeleon24 Have a drink with me
@@socallawrence this could turn into some real greaseball stuff 😕
Kinda funny how Irishman is basically a prequel to Casino.
Jocko how?
The Irishman has nothing to do with the Casino movie in my opinion
The film makes references to mob using money from the Teamsters to fund the Vegas casinos.
@East Afro Because the story is both? Giancana was out of Chicago, Bufalino and Salerno was PA NY, Tony Pro was NJ. It's not like they all don't work with each other. They even bring up Marcello out of Louisiana.
@East Afro I'll go with you there Spilotro had nothing to do with the Hoffa stuff as far as we know. Although Tony and Momo were very good friends. Do you think Spilotro was the one who did Giancana?
His old man was solid, but Remo didn't want to take a chance...
At least, that's the way Remo saw it...
Andy Stone gets shot 8 times in Casino, just watched the scene
That was Dorfman. It happen in lioncalnshire ,ILL in broad daylight!!
Blip blip......blip blip blip blip blip
@@baribroome294 why make a comment about something you have no clue about?LINCOLNWOOD you dope
The guy that shot him(and others) in casino was Frank Cullotta too, the real life friend of Tony Spilotro Frank Vincent's character was based on
@@bottegabo2898 I know, he turned snitch
2:30 his murder was the very least brutal because they really liked him except the bosses couldn't leave anything to chance
Having your brains spread across the street in broad daylight is a pretty brutal way to go lol. There was obviously a message in his murder; they very much thought Dorfman had flipped at the time.
@@matthew92604 Oh but Tony Spilotro and his brother(played by Pesci in the movie Casino) got tenderized by baseball bats. I think Dorfman had it a little better.
The hotel where Dorfman was killed is not far from my house
It was an interesting building - it was purple, but it actually looked nice.
You wouldn’t think you could pull off purple on a large building, but it worked.
We tried renting a large room there in order to have a post prom party, but the hotel staff caught on, probably because we started giggling when they told us how much it would cost. IIRC it was a Hyatt at the time. Maybe a Hilton. But it was nice.
Our hijinks were (obviously) not as bad as shooting someone 8 times. In a parking lot. In broad daylight.
Anyway, the hotel was demolished and the village held a fundraiser, auctioning off the purple bricks.
As kids, we used to go trick or treating in River Forest, which is a nice suburb just west of Chicago. We always went to Tony Accardo’s house because they gave out great candy. Full sized bars. Which was amazing for west side city kids in the mid 70s.
And no, he never came to the door.
If that's the one on Touhy, it's gone now because people would not stay there because of the shooting.
Kenneth Stevenson yes it was torn down a few years ago
But it was open for years after the shooting
Lol I did the marble floor and carpet cleaning at the Purple Hotel on Touhy in the 90's before they closed. The place certainly had a vibe to it.
Certainly a unique venue, regardless of it's history. That purple stood out.
Went to brunch at the Purple Hotel, knew it very well. Please note Dorfman's murder was early afternoon and the hotel is about two blocks from the Lincolnwood Police Headquarters
@@DanfromDallas did you have any black co-workers?
You’ve done it again. You always do your homework so well and put your videos together so well. Everything I’ve seen from you I can tell took a lot of effort and as a daily RUclips watcher I really appreciate that. I’m finally subbing, I should have done that after the first video. Keep it up man!!!
Thank you so much for your kind words
Allen Dorfman died January 20, 1983 after being indicted for doing a quid pro quo for Senator Howard Cannon of Nevada. The FBI conducted operation Strawman which snagged midwestern Mob bosses talking about skimming Vegas casinos and their deals with the teamsters. Dorfman was like the CEO of the mob bank and he knew too much, they had to kill Dorfman before the feds got him to talk. He was facing 55 years in prison. A great source: Mafias greatest hits: Allen Dorfman
Back in the 70's, I was a member of Teamsters local 357. 😎
A great American. Peace be with you and God bless. America first. Solidarity.
What trade did that Local represent?
That’s awesome!
I got the sense that in the original draft they intended to tell Sheeran's story in a manner as to leave the audience debating whether it was true or whether he was trying to Forest Gump his own story. I think that angle got lost when they shoehorned Pacino in as Hoffa.
I think the "inaccurate" dates may have been intentional, hinting at Frank's possibly unreliable narration. There are also a few disparities between how a character is said to have died and how they actually died. However, it's pretty subtle. It's pretty hard to believe they would make a mistake like that.
Also, you don't pronounce the last s in Illinois lol
I never thought it like that.... it explains the incongruences in the bullets shot count against Sally Bugs and the killing of Crazy Joe
@@theportugueselegend I had to rewatch Sally's death a few times because I noticed that and had to make sure. I noticed a few extra shots they didn't count and noticed only two shots to the face.
He’s a Brit
You know, I'm starting to think that you Americans don't know how to pronounce your own states. How is Kansas pronounced Can-zis, but Arkansas is Ar-Ken-Saw? No, it's supposed to be pronounced Ill-a-noise, but the people who pronounce it the wrong way are just trying to be French.
You pronounce the "s" if you're from southern Illinois, near the Kentucky border.
and the cops never thought this would happen? similar to Abe Reles, "the canary who could sing but couldn't fly," he was being guarded by a special police squad designed to protect him. they said he tried to escape from the people protecting him by tying two sheets together and lowering himself down from the hotel's 11th floor. the sheets were no way long enough to do it. not one arrest.
Elbert Derf I was honestly shocked that 5 weeks went by between Dorfman getting indicted and then him being killed. I’d love to know the story on this one. Did the feds just drop the ball or did Dorfman just refuse to talk.. This is a guy who never killed anyone, the feds may have offered a reduced sentence or no time at all for the treasure trove of knowledge he had
that one was an obvious set up, can't believe no one guarding Abe got arrested or fired.
Abe Reles leaned the listen "Don't FUCK with Murder Inc"
He actually got a nice quick death. The Outfit has carried out some of the most horrificly brutal hits ever. Look up William "Action" Jackson.
My goodness
@@b00merxng you look him up?
@@bottegabo2898 yeah, read the description on wikipedia
😳 whoa.... just read about the torture and damn they were brutal.
@@deelove2882 brutal
"I hate that Dorfman. He's such a pain in the ass fuckin Jew." "So what do you want me to do??" "No, not that." 😂😂
Theres a reason it says 1979 instead of 1983. I dont know it. Prolly reliability, as you mentioned.This is a 150 million plus movie. I dont see them "accidentally" making such a "mistake"
Yeah I dont buy it's an honest mistake, obviously there for reason
@@starwarsroo2448 I could see Scorsese or someone doing it just to piss of the snobby internet film critics and trolls.
@@johngrayatkinson1214 nah it's always something deeper with a director like him imo
@@starwarsroo2448 oh I'm sure. Prolly an "inside" thing or Personal date. Who knows? Scorsese knows
@Jimbo Jones everyone beating up on an old man about his kicks
Allen Dorfman died in 1983 s week after his sixtieth birthday. In 1979 Alan Glick sold the casino Frank Rosenthal lost his battle with the Nevada Gaming Commission over licensure.
Why take a chance
When in doubt? Have no doubt.
As far as they knew he coulda talked, other wise Stony might still be alive...
That bit in the Irishman where they shot up Dorfman's car was seriously hardcore. Head down, ears covered, hoping for the best.
I know that parking lot -- the one where Dorfman was hit. I pass it on most days: the old Purple (Hyatt) Hotel on the northwest corner of Lincoln and Touhy Avenues in Lincolnwood. It's 40 years, however, since the hit. The hotel, which was a local landmark, has been razed.
He was killed at the purple hotel ( Lincolnwood Hyatt House) in 1983. A block from my grandmother's house. I remember like it was yesterday.
One of the reasons they changed the year of his death in The Irishman was to not tie it to the whole Casino thing as that was another story all together
You know, Glimco is played by the detective in Wolf of Wall St, and also played a detective in Goodfellas (one of the guys who arrested Henry Hill.)
He made Glimco look like a clown in the movie. In reality Glimco was a very serious ruthless Chicago gangster. He's probably the one behind the Dorfman hit.
When Frank tells Russal that Jimmy is losing it. Russell say at some time the old timers will reach out to the old man, and straighten everything out. The same scene Russall tells Frank the old timers reached out to the old man the old man told his son jack dont forget who he owes. Does this mean the old timers talked to the old man or were going to talk to the old man ?
All I know is Joseph Kennedy didn’t keep his sons in line and got them both killed.
“Illi-noise”
That what happens to me after a Mexican dinner, ill-noise.
Silly noise.
Allen Dorfman was shot and killed in Lincolnwood, Illinois at the infamous Purple Hotel.
I loved that hotel when I was a kid. Spent 04 & 05 new years there. Cant believe they let it fall apart like that. Knowing Dorfman got killed there is crazy.
Kado T. Cartman is that the hotel on like Davon or Oakton heading into the north side? I drove past that for years on my way to Rogers Park. It was sad to see that building crumble, I always wanted to do like a secret rave there
@@darknutgaming5510 it was on Touhy & Lincoln in Lincolnwood. Edge water/Rogers park, that's the neighborhood right there. But yeah, it was sad to see that place like that for those years until the end. I loved that place.
Camilo Tapia in the movie it says he was killed in 1979 and everything that I’ve read online says he was killed in 1983.
An old girlfriend of mine was the manager on duty at the Hyatt during the time of the hit. For some reason she was on the 10:00 news that night giving an interview about the incident, as if she knew anything. I'm suspecting the reporters searched her out just becase she was good looking.
Lockbar I’m going to take Things that are not true for $1000 Alex
*Dorfman 'knew too much' and likely had his 'hands in the cookie-jar' too many times*
The moral of this story folks, don't keep around criminals in your life or get involved in crime.
Allen was shot by Frank Schwiehs (once in the leg so he couldn't run) and 7 in the head Schweihs died in prison waiting to go to trial for that murder and several others..I was there
It is revealed in the book 'Casino' that Allen Dorfman was shot in the carpark. he must be the one in the movie who was shot in the carpark during the house of the rising sun montage
The Hyatt in Lincolnwood, Illinois.
Dorfman was walking to his car with Irwin Weiner. Weiner was untouched. Weiner was a long time friend of Jack Ruby. Weiner and Ruby phone calls were quite numerous in 1963. Put that puzzle together.
@@rf3495 As I remember, long distance calls were actually listed on a person’s phone bill back then.
Is this how they knew about the phone calls?
After listening to all these mob stories,and authors/ experts.i'm looking for a book deal. It'called ,I hear you sleep on couches.,!
This is why i scroll the comments xD
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
every night
My book is going to be called I heard you mop floors
Mine will be called “ I hear you shit in bathtubs!”
"The German" killed Alan Dorfman.
Seriously? 10 minute video and 4 advertising breaks? Is this the future of youtube?
i know - if its not top stuff , I bail
Skip to the end of any video and replay it and the ads are gone
Hey, thanks!
Yep. Even non monetized channels have commercials now.
This channel intro WTF what movie It is? I cant remember
Navajo joe.
Nice was hoping someone would do this one
Tell us what the significance of 8 shots to the head is about; that would be helpful. Also, Dorfman, being a Marine during WWII and, I'm sure seeing plenty of combat, would not be a candidate for ratting on people he was loyal to, worked with, and knew most of his life. He was smart enough to know that being a rat to avoid prison time, would get him killed; as evidenced by the shotgun attack on his car when he was leaving his garage that day.
According to informant Rex Wemette, It's simply a trademark of notorious hitman Frank "The German" Schweihs . He puts 1 in the leg and 8 in their head or something like that. Chicago had Very efficient killers like Harry Alemn, Frank Schweihs, Frank Calabreze Sr. , Joey Lombardo, etc
Hey! Let's get some senior citizens together and make an action flick.
and trying to make them look like 30 and 40 year olds through computer generation which ended up making them look like senior citizens with bad facelifts and Botox injections.
@@steviem5279 Exactly, that anti ageing technology didn't work at all and the actual timeline wasn't clear at all, cause decades supposedly went by and the characters just went from old to very old!
Hey Ross lets get you and your friends together and make a film about jerkoffs.
@@johnottr Look everybody! An angry troll. Ha Ha. That's so funny.
@@rosssmith8481 Youre right, it was funny. And youre the joke.
“Andy wasn’t Italian…”
This series is the backstory i wanted when it zoomed in on the freeze frames
It was lincolnwood Illinois at.a hotelrestaurant called. ???
Real life gangsta frank cullotta clipped andy stone in casino
A neighbor was the ER Doctor who saw him.
I think that the guys who killed Dorfman said that it was a robbery before they shot him.
What happened to Kent Dorfman?
Now, that’s the question I would like answered. LOL
Dorfmans date of death is just a mistake
Yup died in 1983
Fyi. The guy shooting Alan Dorfman's character in the movie Casino is real life Outfit associate/burglar Frank Cullotta.
Though it's a horrible way to die, 8 bullets to the head seems like a quick painless way to go.
Best way to go almost.
JOE knows having survived a drowning before lemme tell you...I’d rather the bullet
Cheryl Lynne drowning wasn’t painful. Just exhausting
Really REALLY exhausting and takes FOREVER
If you’re fortunate to survive you may be left with psychological scars...but I felt no physical pain while it happened
Why did russell not like him ? I was confused at that part when his car exploded
He was controlled by Hoffa from prison and held the loans/pension funds for Hoffa and not the mob
Because Dorfman basically developed a belated work ethic too little too late and started refusing Loans or dragging his feet on loans
I really love all of these factual videos, just subbed! Also curious where you’re from? My guess is South Africa?
It's his stupid accent that tipped you off, right?
My bet is he is Indian. Sub-continent Indian.
Steven Cooke I was thinking British with Indian background
How do they get the year wrong on what year the man died?
Because it's aovie and facts aren't prioritized
Take it easy! We’re not making a western here!
The Clown shot Dorfman, the movie is fantasy
I've never heard of Hugh Jima
Hugh was one of the Marines who raised the flag on that island. Famous photo.
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9:30 ah-NATH-eh-mah, not an-ah-THEH-mah. Capiche? Fungool.
The owner of the plastic company who was murdered. His son wrote a book called Deadly Associates.
Nobody in the Mafia gets to reach old age, and retire collecting social security and a pension. Why would anyone wanna be in a situation like that?
They show a better death scene in casino, I think they change his name in that movie tho
Andy stone
I thought Andy stone was based on the guy who gives the money the head of the teamsters pinch in found and founded green to build a casino? So basically I always thought Andy stone was based on Jimmy Hoffa ??
Sheenan was full of shit. He most certainly never killed Hoffa, or Joe Gallo
Certainly had nothing to do with Gallo, that was an internal Colombo Family matter.
It’s a movie. Just enjoy it
Soon as I heard his job title
I knew why lol
Perhaps his character "died" like the trust for the character died that day the second they came after him
At that time Joe Aiuppa was bods of the outfit. He didn't mess about. If a choice between killing someone but making a mistake and not killing some one mistakenly and getting imprisoned because they could be a witness. Well they would be killed just in case. In other words Aiuppa didn't take chanced. The amount of Hits by and in Chicago during his reign ad boss attests to this fact. If Aiuppa even thought you possibly could put them away you went away. Simple no risk manoeuvres.
dorfman was NOT just some innocent insurance guy.
He was balls deep in mob activity connected to the unions.
At 2:27 the guy shooting the gun was previously a hitman for the KC mob.
Please: with Illinois, the "s" is silent. Clearly the narrator has never been there.
They also got Gallo's age wrong when he died.
Reason it says he died in 79 cuz that’s the year he signed his death warrant when the fed investigation began
Woooooooow that’s crazy a bad hit daaaamn rip.
Yes I knew they got it wrong in the movie. 1983 Lincolnshire Illinois
Lincolnwood
Oh this is the guy who got clipped at the purple hotel that was a nice place btw
Hollywood doesn’t get pinned down with having to adhere to facts : sometimes events are left vague and approximate.... stone started , according to some detroiters , to behave arrogantly , rude to drivers , even cops , whom in Detroit are famous for their do it my way cops ... too many calls about him reached the Detroit bosses ... nyc bosses and philly , thus the many shots .... some said , he had received warnings before... but still he kept the attitude.
HE'S SOLID... A FUCKING MARINE.
better he died on iwo jima
He'll never talk.
Absolutely love ur videos, any ideas when fonzo is due out?
No idea just yet. It was originally supposed to be this year
The"narrator"sounds like he's ready for a spot of "tea"☕ I'd be more convincing if he'd be a "scotch and cigar" guy.🥃🚬
Scorsese movie's were a bunch of mob related stories mixed in with unsolved homicides from the 60s and 70s..In 2007 the Family Secrets trial exposed those movies fo what they really were MOVIES.Dorfmann was nothing like the guy in this video and a crook most of his life..Little digging and you'll find multiple Chicago Outfit made members have accepted and served multiple 20yr plus sentences refusing to cooperate..Little common sense would tell you F.B.I. has a better chance getting the guy who served less than a year in the feds and is facing 55yrs to crack than a bunch of killers that dont mind jail.if you wanna dig some more you'll find Dorfmans lawyer meeting with the feds the week of trial..
Wow !!!
Lol Andy Stone gets whacked because he (knew too much) wasn't an Italian,according to Nicky Santoro. Nicky happened to be Italian,didnt stop the same crew from baseball batting his brother,then Nicky before burying both of them alive in a corn field. "Oi! This corn tastes loik shit!"
Getting the year wrong of someone's death is pretty big.
and you've got it wrong about phil testa he was not shot! he was blown up on his own front porch
Wtf is he yelling about at the start? It’s a great video but that intro is annoying. Just saying.
That's the legendary Ernio Morricone.
In 79 they killed Dorfman. The other Dorfman!
Apparently the Irishman got a lot of things totally wrong and just did things for the movie
All Scorsese movies are BASED on actual events. Dorfman in the movie is young. Real Dorfman was much older. Just a movie
the man was in combat...
Just a friendly fyi: there is no “s” sound in Illinois
Lost me with all the ads. Thanks RUclips
Just scroll the video to the end and hit replay.. Adds gone.. Takes less than 5 seconds..
He was shot with a .22 and probably didn't see it coming.
His dad was in charge of the pension before he took it over.
2:46
EEEEWHOA GEEEMAAA
Ah, the 70's... when violence made sense...
The guy in The Irishman playing Allan Dorfman, looked nothing like Allan Dorfman. 😂
Loved the movie but bad actor casting for this part. Looked like a high school kid.
Scorsese should have watched Mafias greatest hits; that guy in the documentary looked like Allen Dorfman. He was a real hardass jerk of a guy until he saw his mob overseer Joey “The Clown” Columbo. who made sure he followed mob orders
@@russellseilhamer4552 its Joey the clown Lombardo, not columbo
Same as the guy that played Sally Buggs. Looked like a little wimp.
That was very interesting but the movie the Irishman was probably the worst movie I have ever seen it totally sucked and all of the information was wrong or Martin Scorsese just took it upon himself to put things in the movie that never even happened and in my opinion Robert De Niro and Martin Scorsese should both retire they are both great in what they do but they really crashed and burned in the Irishman
It just goes to show you if you’re a loose end. it will get taken care of one way or another