Another Brexit benefit thanks to the Tories! Keep sounding the alarm, Liz! The Labour party should put you front and centre during the election campaign!
Scurvy has in last month been reported in England in the poor in some areas.. Think as some Brexiteers voted for getting back to victorian values. They got what they wanted
And rickets and scabies all made a return to shame Brexit Britain. www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/18/return-of-victorian-era-diseases-to-the-uk-scabies-measles-rickets-scurvy
@lizwebstersbf What an absolute nonsense. To even contemplate what you have suggested is so ridiculous. You can see people queuing up both inside and outside of McDonald's, KFC, Greg's, and Burger King. The absolute biggest concern today is young people eating properly. The number of young people who eat the wrong kind of food and the vast quantities of it, all too readily available and plentiful. Young people who are obese as a direct consequence of that. Only a few weeks ago, you were saying supermarket shelves were empty? That was definitely not so. The people I have made reference to, I very much doubt that they infact eat vegetables. Brexit or not, if anyone eats the wrong types of food, then the body will react. Nature, never forgets an insult as you should be jolly well aware of.
BRexiters favourite economist, Patrick Minford, predicted this outcome. And BRexiters _knew_ they were voting for this (MPs such as Lance Corpulent Francois said so). But the pain has some way to go. Yet more trade volume and value is set to be lost as businesses increasingly source goods and produce in the EU instead as local businesses fail. And there are more restrictions coming into play in the months ahead and then a review of the TCA next year. Unless the next govt. goes into a virtual war footing, with blood, sweat, tears and toil for the UK, and carries the electorate with them, then the descent into Little England, a country worse off than Slovenia, will be the inevitable outcome.
We have at least one verticle farm here in Hong Kong - and I think there is verticle farming over in Singapore. The main crops grown will be green vegetables, staples such as corn, rice, wheat, and so forth, will still need to be field grown. Didn`t we read that a lot of UK farmers voted for Brexit? In any case it`s now a done deal, so Britain will have to navigate this brave new world - resting on the coat tails of its glorious past.
Hydroponics will produce nutritionally devoid food I suspect. Even before Brexit I tackled a Tory about the need for creating good UK food security policies and was told that "we can import everything we need" Tories haven't changed their spots but they are now seen for what they are.
These farm units are manufactured in Scotland. The units will switch off the lighting when electric expensive. They intended for being built middle cities..
Nature I'm afraid is dying, 80% of birdlife lost since the 1970s. Insecticides, pesticides, reduced hedgerows, loss of wetland's, all has taken it's toll. OUR wildlife is BARELY hanging on. I'm afraid the future is BLEAK.
I fear it will be too late, technology and efficiency is starving our bird and wildlife they have little or nothing to feed on during the winter.@@technomad9071
Does anyone around here read Lebedev's Evening Standard? During the last 7 days, €13 billion has moved from the LSE to New York and Amsterdam. A further 50 big companies are looking to jump ship. Some of them will invest in tower growing.
I don't know from which rock you come from, but the Netherlands has been doing it this way for at least thirty years, which is why the Netherlands can also supply much cheaper. The English farmers are decades behind with their old-fashioned farming. and assume that the influx of vegetables from the Netherlands will also gradually stop because most growers find it far too much of a hassle
when I was watching that BBC report I was thinking the same thing, didn't the Dutch invented this? 🤣 it's also very energy efficient from what I've heard.
It is typical for the state the UK is in. In so many aspects it is stuck in the 19th century, they hardly even know how produce they buy from abroad is grown. They are light years behind and refuse to accept the realities they are confronted with, be it agricultural progress or dealing with being a 3rd country due to brexit.
What a salad item looks and tastes like is important from a sales and enjoyment point of view. More important is the level of nutrition that they deliver to our diet and it would be useful to have a comparison between salad grown in a natural medium and some grown in a vertical farm. In addition, there is of course an emotional tie to using the land to grow what we eat and this historical tie was always going to be difficult to negotiate in the face of change. What is more serious is potentially losing the sense that food CAN be grown without the use of technology by any individual with access to a few square feet of soil. Communities need to develop resilience in such times as we are in and keeping the knowledge and practice of growing is critical. The loss of good businesses in this way is tragic and while traditional farming and technological farming are not mutual exclusive the market is most definitely not the means to manage and plan our food supplies particularly when Brexit creates such an uneven playing field. It is difficult not to conclude that this government has no real interest in the proper functioning of farming or any other important market or service (other than finance) beyond what it can provide in the way of profit. I'm not sure a Labour government will be a lot better but it may be more susceptible to cogent arguments 🤞
Its not about the way of growing, its about standards, that you cant export. The brexiteers declared they wont accept the european standards, so we here in the EU wont buy your food or eat it.
UK needs to prioritise Food and Energy to secure supplies and bring prices down!!! Siting Greenhouses next to heat generating electric units means competing values for our supplies and even using "passive Solar" greenhouses minimise Heating and provide more stable temperatures!! Tomatoes selects for supermarkets have 50% less Nutrient due to focus on looking "fresh" up to 3+ weeks! Food supplies should be 80% from within 50 miles of where you live!!
Liz as ever you make some very salient points. It saddens me so many people just don't get it...Descent food, people that care and a healthy economy are everything.
"When I were a lad", you had Summertime food and in the winter you had wintertime food (and it did taste great. I especially remember New Potatoes and Sweet Tomatoes that where sweet). Now 24/7, no season food. NEXT?.. A TABLET FOR VEGETABLES AND A TABLET FOR MEAT.
Salad growers have been closing down for the last 3 to 4 years. I had many greenhouse farmers as customers, they have all been selling thier steam pipes off for scrap. This is not new Liz, this will continue until every greenhouse is derelict.
@@alexanderromanov737 most of the greenhouse farmers here in UK didn't take account of possibility of rising energy costs, nor care about environmental impact of heating a greenhouse with fossil fuel. I read some years ago about an investment company building a massive greenhouse. I think it was in the 10's of acres and would lease sections out to 'farmers'. Chinese are big on passive solar greenhouses and verge permaculture in Canada has been developing smaller more energy efficient ones. Here in UK there is almost nothing, I found one down south and maybe one in Scotland. Maybe there are more but even these were not as sophisticated as the Canadian ones. Any business is a precarious venture and farming is doubley so, I think it makes farmers more selfish just to survive. However any that voted for Brexit were clearly committing suicide and many make most of their money from subsidies. Subsidies are based on acreage and very small (local) growing is never eligible for any subsidies.
Naturally home grown veg has taste, supermarket veg don't. People who have gardens should ne encouraged to dig up their patios etc and grow food themselves, this has the added benefit of getting children involved .
An un level playing field. Very true and not just for farming. As someone who works in the pharmaceutical industry, the differences in importing from eu to uk and from uk to eu are huge now. Much easier and cheaper to import from eu to uk than to import from the uk to eu.
Automation is gonna be the future, whether we like it or not. Industry has suffered this way for 40+ years as CNC machines, automated warehouses, driverless trains and robots etc took over jobs that engineers and warehouse operatives etc used to do. One CNC machine today probably does the job that took 12 people to do back 30 or 40 years ago (I was an engineer and saw this happening during the Thatcher years onward) as redundancies were made new machines came online to replace the majority of those redundant workers. Machines and robots, automated warehouses and factories etc don't go on strike, they don't get ill, yes they break down occasionally but that only takes a small number of maintenance workers to fix things and keep factories running (and in time they will probably be replaced by maintenances robots of some sort). The rich business owners, shareholders, investors and CEOs simply don't want to have to employ humans, robots don't have nor need any workers rights or sick pay, or human rights, they don't need housing or public transport or doctors and nurses etc etc. This has been predicted for decades and decades, certainly since the industrial revolution there have been a large number of Dystopian novels/writers and artists warning us of this Brave New World. Now this is all coming to fruition and has been slowly implemented as the tech becomes available. The exploitation of cheap labour will be a thing of the past, as they literally will be able to cut the number of plebs ("Useless Eaters" as one elitist once said about the hoi polloi) plebs that were once needed in order to keep them on their golden thrones in their ivory towers. And if all else fails, WAR is their idea of a 'cure all' as it cuts the number of plebs'/useless eaters and makes the few elite at the top of the steaming heap, lots of money (and thus, more power over the hoi polloi that survive the war). And btw, cutting tax will mean there is less money for schools and hospitals, social care, police and emergency services etc etc etcetera. The only way less tax revenue can work for the majority of the hoi polloi is if there are a lot less plebs around that will need public services/public spending... You can't stop progress, the industrial, mechanical, technical & digital revolutions, but you can make people redundant and cull their numbers. "Laser guided bombs are really great for righting wrongs" (engineered wrongs, to manufacture consent, reinforced by nefarious elites using propaganda to manipulate and nudge society in whatever direction they want. It's Social Engineering on a global scale)
The margins are too tight for the producers!, here in France they have started putting it on the jar or packets, what the grower is paid and the retail price. The Merci range part of Intermarche supermarket chain. I bought a jar of honey paid €5.90 at till, jar states €3.05 to the producer.
@@paulbird3235 it’s not environmentally friendlier though is it? It’s just more profit for supermarkets as products grow quicker and many less people involved in production.
When has the enviroment really been a priority (particularily in the USA) and even more so if Donald Trump is re-elected. These large corporations are driven by profit and have little concern for job creation or anything else.@@lizwebstersbf
Solar, wind, and battery storage is giving us cheap electricity. Return the land back to nature and build millions of homes using hempcrete, bamboo, and wood removing carbon from our atmosphere and locking it up in superior housing for hundreds of years ending climate change.
Brexit happened because the EU is modelled on the Russian system. parliament can talk but the polit bureau has the power. The people have no power, which isn't democracy. Lets ditch democracy if it guarantees our salad deliveries. This week the EU polit wants to conscript many and go to war. Joining the EEC/EU was never for our benefit, it was for the benefit of a few. If there are benefits they are by chance and not by design. Our teachers in 72 called it a rush to Babylon, and a one world government. The UN agenda 2030 sustainable development page says we will be mainly eating Maize and Soya products, and Insect Biomass, they make no mention of salad. Wide open fields in the USA will be farmed by robots and drones. Small hilly farm fields in North Devon will be covered in Solar panels, Turbines and Pylons. There will be no meat products for the masses. Soon climate lockdowns will close more small businesses, on behalf of the globalists. The great reset isn't complete yet.
Stop voting conservatives or lib dem. Vote labour or green only. Focus on social care. Figure out why so many young are dysfunctional and prevent it, ie stop focusing only on treatment. Take all money out of politics. Ban attacking politics. Can only talk about actual policies. Break up the press and make it local again. Break up tv monopolies and make them local. Get rid of the monarchy and have the Opposition appoint a president for five years with no other terms. Leave nato and focus on self defence not nuclear or foreign wars. Make tax 100% on earnings over 2 million. This forces people to pay better wages and invest rather than efficiency focused business. Ban pesticides and antibiotics in agriculture over five years. Break up land ownership and support smaller scale farming. Ban home builds on green space. Go high and dense in urban areas. I could go on
This salad factory is actually a proven technique it’s an adaptation of the way it’s done in the Netherlands ( not so much for salads but definitely for tomatoes,cucumbers, bell peppers etc) Looking at this setup its main challenges are the investment needed to set up the factory and keep operating costs under control ( energy and the right nutrition for the plants) looks promising but it is in no way done deal .
Verticle farms in US is a must, due to low standards in farming and a us government not doing anything to help their fresh produce is a health liability. There is a documentary about it.
I suppose the weather is the biggest problem when trying to produce food. If you can take that problem out of the equation, you should theoretically have more profitable, efficient food production.
Something that was not mentioned: Plants need some environmental stress like wind, rain and changing temperatures in order to develop taste. I remember the glas house red water bags aka Netherlands tomato’s grown quickly in perfect artificial environments in glass houses. Nowadays people enjoy the original varieties of old sorts of tomatoes from Italy. This salat won’t taste like nothing in real live.
No, the water bag tomatoes suffered from perfecting the looks and forgetting about the flavour, it had nothing to do with how they were grown. Consumers partially have themselves to thank for that, by picking "nice looking" over "nice tasting" products. When a couple of years ago the Portuguese orange harvest delivered smaller than normal oranges due to the weather, a lot of them were refused by European supermarkets because customers wanted big ones. They ended up as juice, for which the growers get a lower price. Small as they were, they were juicy, sweet and nice as always though.
What is the energy/calories needed to grow on this system and what is the output/1MJ in 1OMJ out,if that makes sense?It was said that lettuce grown in California and transport to the UK ,there was more calories used in the transport than in the actual plant. When we had the energy crisis the government wouldnt give the salad sector a grant /subsidy to help grow it indoors over the winter,so we ended up importing more,Kew gardens was deemed more important
For sure individual strawberry, cucumber, pepper, salad and tomato farmers will not survive this revolution. If the consumer decides about this then it is already a done deal I am afraid. In Italy there is quite a successful formula of so called "agriturismo". It is a combination of farming and leisure. Many families combine shopping with a day out there. Those farms try to offer the whole food pallet: seasonal produced fruit & vegetables, meat, herbs, bakery, cheese, milk, nuts, olive oil, wine combined with horse riding, small animal farm, hiking trails, football pitch, swimming pool, restaurant and B&B. A lot of work but very satisfying and very diverse. For sure not what traditional farms are used to but quite successful. Maybe this should be a direction of travel for future farming.
The UK is already well ahead in its consumption of ultra processed food compared to other European countries. At least according to this article of a few years ago: “About 50.7%: or over half of all the food bought by families in the UK is “ultra-processed" , more than any others in Europe. Ultra-processed food is made in a factory with industrial ingredients and additives invented by food technologists and bearing little resemblance to the fruit, vegetables, meat or fish used to cook a fresh meal at home... In Italy: only 13.4%, in France: 14.2%." (Guardian 2 Feb 2018)
So importing food is bad, but importing cheap labour is good? The Labour Party need to get their act together. They can't just blame Brexit for everything that goes wrong. The UK voted for Brexit, get over it. When airports are closed and planes grounded to meet UN global emmision targets. Will the Labour Party still blame it on Brexit?
Unfortunately Liz I think that most people, who might take the time to check the origins of products like meat or poultry, would on the other hand just pick up the bag of salad leaves without so much as a glance as to where or how it was grown (myself included). However, your points are valid as ever with regards to the unforeseen Brexit consequences.
Everything has gone CRAZY , paid £2.00. for four sticks of rhubarb on market yesterday. Went into Sainsbury's afterwards, they were selling medium size chickens for £2.37p. WHAT THE!.
Taste is very important but nutrition is a matter if life and death. These factories and their energy costs and risk of desease, or lots of pesticides, so can't be Organic!
I am on a very small croft 14 acres all my 61 years i remember when mucking out the cattle court was done by hand ,no tractor or loader me and my dad did most of the work very labour intensive, binder, stooks and rucks . Potatoes in a pit etc . I am all for new technology, just as machinery got more and more complex, and strawberries went from out in the field to in tunnels this is the inevitable next step. This is right up the Brexit street . Large multi-national industry, there is no room for medium sized it's all or nothing with Brexit. Once the subsidiaries disappear the Neoliberal Libertarian isolationist Conservative Brexit will be upon us . Just embrace the collapse.
Morning Liz. I totally agree with you but as someone who as always been against brexit, I dont think this issue is that simple. In a country were people are skipping meals and going hungry in some cases, we can't really say there is no demand for British produce. The thing is can the British worker afford to eat British produce?. Farmers want to produce food for the big supermarkets to save on costs, but then complain they are being screwed by them (you can't have it both ways I'm afraid). I have NO doubt if there was a poll 99% of British people would dearly love to "eat" British, but suspect 75% can't afford to. This is where I suspect progress and efficency has left us, high cost and reduced demand. As someone who loves the British countryside I fear for British farmings future. But as a realist I know people have little option but to buy cheap. PS. we bought four small sicks of rhubarb on Chesterfield market yesterday, it cost £2.00.
It's a mistake to think that plants in hydroponics are growing only with water. There are minerals added and the plants are as healthy as ever. It takes less space, less people, no dangerous chemicals ans all year crops no matter the weather. I'm not sure what Liz's problem is. I think, every home should have a hydroponics room growing their own salads.
Man cannot live by salads alone. Are you suggesting each household should also have it's own pig farm, hen house, milk cow, lambs ( for meat and our jerseys), etc. 😂😂
@@obtuse1291 Very funny, you are hilarious. You mentioned all non Vegan options. Growing plants is good for you ruclips.net/video/e1OibKPjEJg/видео.html
@@lizwebstersbf Progress always takes jobs away but creates new ones. The land doesn't belong to us so it'll be great if we can return it to Nature. I have agreed to everything you have said up to now and I enjoy your videos, but agriculture (mostly animal farms) is not to my taste and I'll be happy when they are gone. I love animals and I hate to see them suffering. Anyway, that many big subjects and have nothing to do with brexit.
@@obtuse1291 In a hydroponics room, you can grow all the fruit and veggies your family needs. You wouldn't eat your pets, why eat other beautiful animals?
Nobody will buy food that's tasteless. Why are t/a pizzas so popular, despite the fact that there's as much goodness in the cardboard box they're delivered in? Tasty sugar, fat and salt.
@@sararichardson737 do we miss enjoying natural clothing materials??? Or do we prefer the fabricated stuff? But we don’t eat it and we are what we eat.
Flavour & nutritional qualities are not considerations. Varities are chosen for their ability to be grown hydroponicly, high yields, uniform in shape & colour & once harvested, can resist transportation. The tomatoes you find in supermarkets 12 months of the year are good examples, tasteless & full of water.
@@lizwebstersbf"I doubt it". So you have not looked into it, but are against it anyway. That is the typical attitude against progress. It is just a farming method, one you are apparently not used to despite it not being anything new, and as with each farming method, you can make quality produce or rubbish produce. It about a choice made by the farmer, not the method of farming.
You may understand now why we in the Netherlands are so happy about Brexit. We get total control over your market segment and can sell those of our products that do not meet European’s requirements.
My opinion is that fresh produce is dying. Freezing your products will give you a better shot at staying afloat. You can't change brexit, but you can get ahead of your own demise. Your government doesn't care whether you live or die, it really is that simple.
Regarding no import checks done. Had we still been EU members there would be the same, no checks on the imports. Correct me if I am mistaken as absolutely no fan of Brexit.
Liz, can you ask your farmer mates if, at the upcoming election, they could possibly fill their fields with 'Vote Labour' signs?? No, of course they won't.
That's alright, tomorrow Jacob Rees Mogg will make a statement from propaganda platform GBeebies and say we can export salad from China or something, and that it will fully benefit the British public.
I am going to disagree with the view here slightly. There are a number of things that you need to take into account when looking at vertical farming. First, and most important is Brexit and the reduction in labour to harvest this type of crop. You have to expect an element of automation to offset that loss. But automation in open fields for very delicate crops is very difficult. Second, climate change. It's getting very difficult to guarantee that these types of crops will grow to enough scale and quality to guarantee a wage for farmers. It is what it is and where you can grow indoors then you will. Third. Pesticides use is massively lower growing indoors, and it is vital to reduce pesticide use to help the wider micro environment. Forth, green miles. People want local produced food where possible, shipping or flying food from half a world away is not exactly the way to grow food in a modern green world. And the UK is not prime salade growing country. Fifth. Food security. Being able to guarantee that you can grow certain foods in the UK, no matter what the weather is is very important. As a technical point, they aren't growing in water, they are grown in a controlled nutrient rich liquid. In reality, this is exactly the direction that, for small or delicate crops, the country needs to go in. It's going to be very difficult to grow anything outdoors in the UK now so developments like this need to be promoted not treated as a threat. A threat to what?
The growers who voted Brexit cant moan or complain about their fate. That was their choice. Tory politicians needed gammons who voted for Brexit. They got lots of them. Some people benefited from Brexit vía higher salaries, but for many more meant going out of business.
Sorry Liz but your points against hydroponics farming are very weak sauce. There is no equivalence between that and factory farming (such as the one involving livestock) - for goodness sake it’s salad, who cares if it is produced hydroponically or in the ground I bet no one can tell the difference. If anything I might actually prefer the hydroponic one purely because of its efficiency
It has NOTHING to do with Brexit, the horticulture sector has for decades been declining simply because of the supermarket trade and shoppers reluctance to pay more for food, i have worked in the sector for nearly 50 years and have seen huge changes, it is difficult to get good labour willing to do any physical work, heating costs are crippling and land is more valuable for building, dont blame it on brexit when you have no idea what your talking about
They were Fooled by Farage, Johnson and their ILK, they thought brexit would reduce competition and put MORE money in their pockets. They forgot about European grants and subsidy's, billions of pounds lost through greed!. They forgot that the supermarkets are KING. And NOW they realise they have been FORGOT by this TORY government. As a striking miner during the 1980s we were told OUR mines were uneconomic and would close. WILL this government CLOSE OUR FARM GATES? ALSO!............
Everything she is saying is not so much a problem with brexit, as it is a problem with the whole membership of the EU. The EU under membership was always without checks on imports, so no difference under brexit at the moment though it will come. Did UK salad farmers ever export to the the EU. I doubt it in any profitable manner ( but could stand to be corrected) So it comes down to the fact that provision of cheap labour every time the EU has an expansion has meant that the UK farmers invested based on the need of cheap labour for ever more and strategically that was unsustainable and it was never going to continue. Even now a number of EU countries are facing worker shortages, it's not just the UK. So even under membership, the UK would be facing a cheap worker shortage just like a number of EU countries, even under EU membership the UK would be facing cheap EU goods undercutting UK produce as there were no checks under EU membership. This is more a problem with the after effects of Covid, and the Ukraine war. Oh I guess also the climate action, and maybe the messy restructuring of subsidies which is a little bit of brexit.
Maybe you should do a little more research instead of asking to be corrected. You are wrong but check it out. As for labour shortages, there is a gulf of differance between labour shortages and accute shortages. As for restructuring of subsidies in the EU, well they happen with you or without you. Mixing little truths in with big misconceptions is an old trick that most of us can see straight through, unfortunately millions of leave voters were fooled by it.
@@AlexGys9yes that is what my readings suggest. To me this is an.area the UK needs to change up to especially as later this year the EU food will face some cost barriers. It will be an opportunity to build better capability. I think it needs government support.
Re, checks on imports - Pre brexit the Foods, goods, were moving from one EU country to another so they had to comply with EU regs (that the UK co-wrote) or face fines or serious sanctions. Now they can export WHATEVER they want, it’s up to us to make sure it’s safe to eat…….why can’t Brexiters think further than “Brexit good”?
Re, Cheap labour. There are thousands of fruit pickers in the EU that travel and pick as TEMPORARY LABOUR across Europe, they have few overheads because they live in countries with lower cost of living than the UK, they used to come, pick on different farms then leave. Brits wouldn’t want the work because it is purely seasonal, required skill to do properly, required travel and is hard work. My suggestions is that you get all your Brexiter friends together and “Pick 4 England” (there, a nice three word Tory slogan for you even! ) Let us know when you have done it!
The whole country is suffering because of Brexit and the Tory government,apart from the super rich who have seen their wealth grow at a rapid rate over the last decade or so.
I think you are deluded, Liz, I'll tell you why. There is not the skilled labour in the UK to take advantage of this high level of technology. Foreign brains are not attracted to come to the UK, in fact they are all following the brain drain to Canada, Germany, USA, Poland, Australia where they all offer better living standards, better salaries, opportunities to advance, the UK offers none of these things, ask any European student, the answers are allways, "the UK has declined too far for me now" I've heard that sentiment a thousand times in Europe, Russia and Stateside from young capable prospects. All technical training programmes have been dismantled, do you remember all those private training centres that opened about 20 years ago? and took in young school leavers teaching them building skills, welding electic and gas qualifications. ALL SHUT DOWN, go to your local indusrial estate, there used to be one, guarantee it, SHUT now. Investment from overseas for tech and manufacturing requires good infrastructure, housing, transport, internet, healthcare and a safety net. Great Britain has none of these things, and has no possibility of gaining any of these things in the near to mid term because the basis for them has been removed and investment cash is not available any more, and with the high interest rates, every tech firm looking for a place to invest will eliminate the UK during the first round of searching. The only outside investers that are flocking to the UK are asset strippers and venture capitalists looking for fire sale bargains that have intrinsic value to be robbed, with NO RISK. and rental homes that BlackStock and the like are now scrambling to get thier hands on, because with no skilled labour, investment cash or modern technology, the required number of homes to steady the rent is not possible to build. BlackRoch will make billions from the decline of Great Britain for many years to come. Don't think I am a pessimist, Liz, I'm not. At my well travelled, worn out old age, after an extensive search for a market (since Brexit separated my UK business from it's 450 million customers, just one days lorry ride away), I have invested again in business. IN GERMANY, POLAND and UKRAINE, where skilled motivated staff are, and half a billion healthy, wealthy customers. Good luck with it all, I'm sure you as a landed farmer will retire very comfortably, but the othe 60 million will be eating cardboard and sleeping in it Liz.
@@edwardbernthal160Where Alex comes from direct statements are not considered insults. Let me apologise on his behalf, Alex won't. I must say, that everything he has written is about as accurate as could be. My experience and feedback from here, (Slovenia), is spot on. My local group of colleges/University used to send hundreds for a year or more to England and Scotland, the last few years, almost none, they all go now to Poland, Germany and the clever ones who like girls in bikinis and tanned boys go to Spain, Portugal and Italy. The money grabbers go to the states. By the way, how's Thérèse Coffey's hot raw sewage outflows now, still going strong?
@@herrglotzenschnitzengruber1510 well the problem is he is not responding to the question Liz asked. The question was, how do we feel about our food being hydroponically. What he is saying is true enough but hardly an answer to the question asked. As for EU students going over to the UK, I can only answer for our Danish students, our students have mostly scratched the UK off of their list of places to study.
It was only a few weeks ago that the shelves were empty at the supermarkets Lizz. Your wording, not mine. As common sense should dictate in any market that is worthwhile, supply and demand. The eu wants to basically control the natural process with beurocracy, and without the work or genuinely meant commitment.
You talk in absolutes like every single farmer will go bust and every bit of salad will come from a vertical farm. that wont be the case it will be a mix as is always the case.......
Well you all voted for the Tories didn't you, big rural support and now they're shafting you just like they shafted every other industry. You reap what you sow it's a race to the bottom now.
Out of my constituency, which is the most farmed county in the south west, farmers don’t even account for 1% which is why my vote never counts and the Tory MP has been safe for decades. When I knocked on doors to canvass last election, I realised that most of the residents in the social housing vote against their best interests for Tories and largely because they “feel” it’s their tribe ie nationalism.
@lizwebstersbf English exceptionalism it's why as a Scot we want away I lived through the chaos of Thatcher but they voted them back in and look what's happened exactly the same as last time. Stop the train I want off.
I mean, it's madness. Jeremy Hunt literally wrote a book on how to privatise the NHS it isn't incompetence it's by design they're trying to destroy everything so badly it can't be salvaged
Another Brexit benefit thanks to the Tories! Keep sounding the alarm, Liz! The Labour party should put you front and centre during the election campaign!
The dominant two-party system is the problem we need a proportional representation voting system like most countries have.
@@higreentj No. It's a Tory led failure driven primarily by phobia.
Southern Salads Ltd, went into receivership in 2016.
Scurvy has in last month been reported in England in the poor in some areas.. Think as some Brexiteers voted for getting back to victorian values. They got what they wanted
Like in old good days.
Would you like to reiterate further on that ridiculous statement?
And rickets and scabies all made a return to shame Brexit Britain.
www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/18/return-of-victorian-era-diseases-to-the-uk-scabies-measles-rickets-scurvy
@@martinhambleton5076, is the truth ridiculous for you?
The brexiteers voted to turn themselves into beggars.
@lizwebstersbf What an absolute nonsense.
To even contemplate what you have suggested is so ridiculous.
You can see people queuing up both inside and outside of McDonald's, KFC, Greg's, and Burger King.
The absolute biggest concern today is young people eating properly. The number of young people who eat the wrong kind of food and the vast quantities of it, all too readily available and plentiful. Young people who are obese as a direct consequence of that.
Only a few weeks ago, you were saying supermarket shelves were empty? That was definitely not so.
The people I have made reference to, I very much doubt that they infact eat vegetables.
Brexit or not, if anyone eats the wrong types of food, then the body will react.
Nature, never forgets an insult as you should be jolly well aware of.
BRexiters favourite economist, Patrick Minford, predicted this outcome. And BRexiters _knew_ they were voting for this (MPs such as Lance Corpulent Francois said so). But the pain has some way to go. Yet more trade volume and value is set to be lost as businesses increasingly source goods and produce in the EU instead as local businesses fail. And there are more restrictions coming into play in the months ahead and then a review of the TCA next year. Unless the next govt. goes into a virtual war footing, with blood, sweat, tears and toil for the UK, and carries the electorate with them, then the descent into Little England, a country worse off than Slovenia, will be the inevitable outcome.
Well I never. Well done you patriotic Brexiteers, well done.
We have at least one verticle farm here in Hong Kong - and I think there is verticle farming over in Singapore. The main crops grown will be green vegetables, staples such as corn, rice, wheat, and so forth, will still need to be field grown. Didn`t we read that a lot of UK farmers voted for Brexit? In any case it`s now a done deal, so Britain will have to navigate this brave new world - resting on the coat tails of its glorious past.
Just returned a left behind purse to a friend in Italy. 33 euros to clear customs! WTF another Brexit benefit.
Wasn’t long ago when you would have been called a remoaner saying this Liz.
Hydroponics will produce nutritionally devoid food I suspect. Even before Brexit I tackled a Tory about the need for creating good UK food security policies and was told that "we can import everything we need" Tories haven't changed their spots but they are now seen for what they are.
As an avid science fiction fan from the early 70s you have no idea how terrifying this actually is…😳
Look, If you look at the Tories history and think they have your best interests in mind then you haven't been paying attention.
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We still need natural habitats. Artificial farms should be limited to urban areas or barren wastelands. 😮
Save British farming! 🎉
These farm units are manufactured in Scotland. The units will switch off the lighting when electric expensive. They intended for being built middle cities..
Nature I'm afraid is dying, 80% of birdlife lost since the 1970s. Insecticides, pesticides, reduced hedgerows, loss of wetland's, all has taken it's toll. OUR wildlife is BARELY hanging on. I'm afraid the future is BLEAK.
only ending brexit will do that
I fear it will be too late, technology and efficiency is starving our bird and wildlife they have little or nothing to feed on during the winter.@@technomad9071
Does anyone around here read Lebedev's Evening Standard?
During the last 7 days, €13 billion has moved from the LSE to New York and Amsterdam.
A further 50 big companies are looking to jump ship. Some of them will invest in tower growing.
Thanks I’ll take a look.
And the farmers voted for Brexit! 🤦♂️
Southern Salads Ltd dissolved following liquidation on 1st June 2019, it went into receivership as early as 2016.
Soylent Green..those having watched the film will know....
I know .... have your relatives for dinner.... is that why in the UK you have "family butchers" ?
@@FatWhiskyDrinkingGuy made my day 🤣
@brianperry
Soylent green is treacle!!!
(Am I right Sir?)
I don't know from which rock you come from, but the Netherlands has been doing it this way for at least thirty years, which is why the Netherlands can also supply much cheaper. The English farmers are decades behind with their old-fashioned farming. and assume that the influx of vegetables from the Netherlands will also gradually stop because most growers find it far too much of a hassle
when I was watching that BBC report I was thinking the same thing, didn't the Dutch invented this? 🤣 it's also very energy efficient from what I've heard.
The Dutch are famously at least 100 years ahead of the uk.
It is typical for the state the UK is in. In so many aspects it is stuck in the 19th century, they hardly even know how produce they buy from abroad is grown. They are light years behind and refuse to accept the realities they are confronted with, be it agricultural progress or dealing with being a 3rd country due to brexit.
"Nederlanders lopen achter als het gaat om vertical farming" groentenieuws(punt)nl indoor farming nederland
@@ewaldgoorhuis9094No they aren't
What a salad item looks and tastes like is important from a sales and enjoyment point of view. More important is the level of nutrition that they deliver to our diet and it would be useful to have a comparison between salad grown in a natural medium and some grown in a vertical farm. In addition, there is of course an emotional tie to using the land to grow what we eat and this historical tie was always going to be difficult to negotiate in the face of change. What is more serious is potentially losing the sense that food CAN be grown without the use of technology by any individual with access to a few square feet of soil. Communities need to develop resilience in such times as we are in and keeping the knowledge and practice of growing is critical. The loss of good businesses in this way is tragic and while traditional farming and technological farming are not mutual exclusive the market is most definitely not the means to manage and plan our food supplies particularly when Brexit creates such an uneven playing field. It is difficult not to conclude that this government has no real interest in the proper functioning of farming or any other important market or service (other than finance) beyond what it can provide in the way of profit. I'm not sure a Labour government will be a lot better but it may be more susceptible to cogent arguments 🤞
Its not about the way of growing, its about standards, that you cant export. The brexiteers declared they wont accept the european standards, so we here in the EU wont buy your food or eat it.
Yet they still want ours🤔🇩🇪
Can someone ask your nearest Brexiter how to fix all the brexit related problems? Better still, make them fix it!
No level playing field for uk farmers.
No level playing field for anyone in this country.
Unless you are very wealthy...
Don't you worry sir. BREXIT will make it all level.
UK needs to prioritise Food and Energy to secure supplies and bring prices down!!! Siting Greenhouses next to heat generating electric units means competing values for our supplies and even using "passive Solar" greenhouses minimise Heating and provide more stable temperatures!! Tomatoes selects for supermarkets have 50% less Nutrient due to focus on looking "fresh" up to 3+ weeks! Food supplies should be 80% from within 50 miles of where you live!!
Liz as ever you make some very salient points. It saddens me so many people just don't get it...Descent food, people that care and a healthy economy are everything.
"When I were a lad", you had Summertime food and in the winter you had wintertime food (and it did taste great. I especially remember New Potatoes and Sweet Tomatoes that where sweet). Now 24/7, no season food. NEXT?.. A TABLET FOR VEGETABLES AND A TABLET FOR MEAT.
Salad growers have been closing down for the last 3 to 4 years. I had many greenhouse farmers as customers, they have all been selling thier steam pipes off for scrap. This is not new Liz, this will continue until every greenhouse is derelict.
They should have built passive solar greenhouses but hay energy was cheap and who cares about the environment.
@@andyhodchild8correct. most farmers are fraudsters. selfish. and now they screwed up, they want some help.
@@alexanderromanov737 most of the greenhouse farmers here in UK didn't take account of possibility of rising energy costs, nor care about environmental impact of heating a greenhouse with fossil fuel. I read some years ago about an investment company building a massive greenhouse. I think it was in the 10's of acres and would lease sections out to 'farmers'. Chinese are big on passive solar greenhouses and verge permaculture in Canada has been developing smaller more energy efficient ones. Here in UK there is almost nothing, I found one down south and maybe one in Scotland. Maybe there are more but even these were not as sophisticated as the Canadian ones.
Any business is a precarious venture and farming is doubley so, I think it makes farmers more selfish just to survive. However any that voted for Brexit were clearly committing suicide and many make most of their money from subsidies. Subsidies are based on acreage and very small (local) growing is never eligible for any subsidies.
Naturally home grown veg has taste, supermarket veg don't. People who have gardens should ne encouraged to dig up their patios etc and grow food themselves, this has the added benefit of getting children involved .
An un level playing field. Very true and not just for farming. As someone who works in the pharmaceutical industry, the differences in importing from eu to uk and from uk to eu are huge now. Much easier and cheaper to import from eu to uk than to import from the uk to eu.
Automation is gonna be the future, whether we like it or not. Industry has suffered this way for 40+ years as CNC machines, automated warehouses, driverless trains and robots etc took over jobs that engineers and warehouse operatives etc used to do. One CNC machine today probably does the job that took 12 people to do back 30 or 40 years ago (I was an engineer and saw this happening during the Thatcher years onward) as redundancies were made new machines came online to replace the majority of those redundant workers. Machines and robots, automated warehouses and factories etc don't go on strike, they don't get ill, yes they break down occasionally but that only takes a small number of maintenance workers to fix things and keep factories running (and in time they will probably be replaced by maintenances robots of some sort).
The rich business owners, shareholders, investors and CEOs simply don't want to have to employ humans, robots don't have nor need any workers rights or sick pay, or human rights, they don't need housing or public transport or doctors and nurses etc etc. This has been predicted for decades and decades, certainly since the industrial revolution there have been a large number of Dystopian novels/writers and artists warning us of this Brave New World. Now this is all coming to fruition and has been slowly implemented as the tech becomes available.
The exploitation of cheap labour will be a thing of the past, as they literally will be able to cut the number of plebs ("Useless Eaters" as one elitist once said about the hoi polloi) plebs that were once needed in order to keep them on their golden thrones in their ivory towers.
And if all else fails, WAR is their idea of a 'cure all' as it cuts the number of plebs'/useless eaters and makes the few elite at the top of the steaming heap, lots of money (and thus, more power over the hoi polloi that survive the war).
And btw, cutting tax will mean there is less money for schools and hospitals, social care, police and emergency services etc etc etcetera. The only way less tax revenue can work for the majority of the hoi polloi is if there are a lot less plebs around that will need public services/public spending...
You can't stop progress, the industrial, mechanical, technical & digital revolutions, but you can make people redundant and cull their numbers. "Laser guided bombs are really great for righting wrongs" (engineered wrongs, to manufacture consent, reinforced by nefarious elites using propaganda to manipulate and nudge society in whatever direction they want. It's Social Engineering on a global scale)
The margins are too tight for the producers!, here in France they have started putting it on the jar or packets, what the grower is paid and the retail price. The Merci range part of Intermarche supermarket chain. I bought a jar of honey paid €5.90 at till, jar states €3.05 to the producer.
Thank you a good talk.
Actually the Food Factories in the USA are becoming insolvent because of high energy prices. Energy prices are key to the success of such ventures.
Some failed but not all. And insolvency only assures hoovering up.
Much as I detest the idea, this Will be the future if they get the costs down.
@@paulbird3235 it’s not environmentally friendlier though is it? It’s just more profit for supermarkets as products grow quicker and many less people involved in production.
When has the enviroment really been a priority (particularily in the USA) and even more so if Donald Trump is re-elected. These large corporations are driven by profit and have little concern for job creation or anything else.@@lizwebstersbf
Solar, wind, and battery storage is giving us cheap electricity. Return the land back to nature and build millions of homes using hempcrete, bamboo, and wood removing carbon from our atmosphere and locking it up in superior housing for hundreds of years ending climate change.
Brexit happened because the EU is modelled on the Russian system. parliament can talk but the polit bureau has the power. The people have no power, which isn't democracy. Lets ditch democracy if it guarantees our salad deliveries. This week the EU polit wants to conscript many and go to war.
Joining the EEC/EU was never for our benefit, it was for the benefit of a few. If there are benefits they are by chance and not by design. Our teachers in 72 called it a rush to Babylon, and a one world government.
The UN agenda 2030 sustainable development page says we will be mainly eating Maize and Soya products, and Insect Biomass, they make no mention of salad.
Wide open fields in the USA will be farmed by robots and drones. Small hilly farm fields in North Devon will be covered in Solar panels, Turbines and Pylons. There will be no meat products for the masses. Soon climate lockdowns will close more small businesses, on behalf of the globalists. The great reset isn't complete yet.
This is so depressing. We're on a downward spiral. How do we stop this? Any ideas?
Stop voting conservatives or lib dem. Vote labour or green only. Focus on social care. Figure out why so many young are dysfunctional and prevent it, ie stop focusing only on treatment. Take all money out of politics. Ban attacking politics. Can only talk about actual policies. Break up the press and make it local again. Break up tv monopolies and make them local. Get rid of the monarchy and have the Opposition appoint a president for five years with no other terms. Leave nato and focus on self defence not nuclear or foreign wars. Make tax 100% on earnings over 2 million. This forces people to pay better wages and invest rather than efficiency focused business. Ban pesticides and antibiotics in agriculture over five years. Break up land ownership and support smaller scale farming. Ban home builds on green space. Go high and dense in urban areas.
I could go on
Hydroponic farm grown food can be tastier as nutrient infusion can be controlled. It will not replace cereal farming.
This salad factory is actually a proven technique it’s an adaptation of the way it’s done in the Netherlands ( not so much for salads but definitely for tomatoes,cucumbers, bell peppers etc) Looking at this setup its main challenges are the investment needed to set up the factory and keep operating costs under control ( energy and the right nutrition for the plants) looks promising but it is in no way done deal .
I'm preparing to live on fresh air.
I thought your country stinks from all the sewage in your rivers.
I am growing my own food, in my veganic food forest. While my health is good....
Verticle farms in US is a must, due to low standards in farming and a us government not doing anything to help their fresh produce is a health liability. There is a documentary about it.
I suppose the weather is the biggest problem when trying to produce food. If you can take that problem out of the equation, you should theoretically have more profitable, efficient food production.
vertical farms (and salads) have caloric contents like paper towels.
Better to have hydro grown than soil grown with pesticides and herbicides. Don't fear the method although growing your own is always best....
Something that was not mentioned: Plants need some environmental stress like wind, rain and changing temperatures in order to develop taste. I remember the glas house red water bags aka Netherlands tomato’s grown quickly in perfect artificial environments in glass houses. Nowadays people enjoy the original varieties of old sorts of tomatoes from Italy. This salat won’t taste like nothing in real live.
No, the water bag tomatoes suffered from perfecting the looks and forgetting about the flavour, it had nothing to do with how they were grown.
Consumers partially have themselves to thank for that, by picking "nice looking" over "nice tasting" products.
When a couple of years ago the Portuguese orange harvest delivered smaller than normal oranges due to the weather, a lot of them were refused by European supermarkets because customers wanted big ones. They ended up as juice, for which the growers get a lower price. Small as they were, they were juicy, sweet and nice as always though.
@@ab-ym3bfyes, unless we learn to live WITH nature we are doomed.
What is the energy/calories needed to grow on this system and what is the output/1MJ in 1OMJ out,if that makes sense?It was said that lettuce grown in California and transport to the UK ,there was more calories used in the transport than in the actual plant.
When we had the energy crisis the government wouldnt give the salad sector a grant /subsidy to help grow it indoors over the winter,so we ended up importing more,Kew gardens was deemed more important
For sure individual strawberry, cucumber, pepper, salad and tomato farmers will not survive this revolution. If the consumer decides about this then it is already a done deal I am afraid. In Italy there is quite a successful formula of so called "agriturismo". It is a combination of farming and leisure. Many families combine shopping with a day out there. Those farms try to offer the whole food pallet: seasonal produced fruit & vegetables, meat, herbs, bakery, cheese, milk, nuts, olive oil, wine combined with horse riding, small animal farm, hiking trails, football pitch, swimming pool, restaurant and B&B. A lot of work but very satisfying and very diverse. For sure not what traditional farms are used to but quite successful. Maybe this should be a direction of travel for future farming.
The UK is already well ahead in its consumption of ultra processed food compared to other European countries. At least according to this article of a few years ago:
“About 50.7%: or over half of all the food bought by families in the UK is “ultra-processed" , more than any others in Europe. Ultra-processed food is made in a factory with industrial ingredients and additives invented by food technologists and bearing little resemblance to the fruit, vegetables, meat or fish used to cook a fresh meal at home... In Italy: only 13.4%, in France: 14.2%." (Guardian 2 Feb 2018)
So importing food is bad, but importing cheap labour is good? The Labour Party need to get their act together. They can't just blame Brexit for everything that goes wrong. The UK voted for Brexit, get over it. When airports are closed and planes grounded to meet UN global emmision targets. Will the Labour Party still blame it on Brexit?
Unfortunately Liz I think that most people, who might take the time to check the origins of products like meat or poultry, would on the other hand just pick up the bag of salad leaves without so much as a glance as to where or how it was grown (myself included). However, your points are valid as ever with regards to the unforeseen Brexit consequences.
Everything has gone CRAZY , paid £2.00. for four sticks of rhubarb on market yesterday. Went into Sainsbury's afterwards, they were selling medium size chickens for £2.37p. WHAT THE!.
Poor people don't check "origins" they check the PRICE! and can I afford it.
THE Brexit Benefit that keeps on giving daily and never stops!
And the energy to power these farms? Where's that going to come from? A field doesn't need 24/7 energy.....
Thanks for that.👍👍
Not only flavour but what about nutrition?
IT has been done before in the Netherlands!
Importing is reduced only on a giant single scale, meaning a shipload for the whole uk and this will be only for big boys
Taste is very important but nutrition is a matter if life and death. These factories and their energy costs and risk of desease, or lots of pesticides, so can't be Organic!
Cost base too high. Decades of over reliance on cheap foreign labour and hammered on price by customer.
Short term food imports will cost more in the long term as we lose our production with rising costs of transport no local independents?
More control is going to large corporations. Just look at Amazon replacing our high streets.
Hope there isn't a powercut
I am on a very small croft 14 acres all my 61 years i remember when mucking out the cattle court was done by hand ,no tractor or loader me and my dad did most of the work very labour intensive, binder, stooks and rucks . Potatoes in a pit etc . I am all for new technology, just as machinery got more and more complex, and strawberries went from out in the field to in tunnels this is the inevitable next step.
This is right up the Brexit street . Large multi-national industry, there is no room for medium sized it's all or nothing with Brexit. Once the subsidiaries disappear the Neoliberal Libertarian isolationist Conservative Brexit will be upon us . Just embrace the collapse.
Morning Liz. I totally agree with you but as someone who as always been against brexit, I dont think this issue is that simple. In a country were people are skipping meals and going hungry in some cases, we can't really say there is no demand for British produce. The thing is can the British worker afford to eat British produce?. Farmers want to produce food for the big supermarkets to save on costs, but then complain they are being screwed by them (you can't have it both ways I'm afraid). I have NO doubt if there was a poll 99% of British people would dearly love to "eat" British, but suspect 75% can't afford to. This is where I suspect progress and efficency has left us, high cost and reduced demand. As someone who loves the British countryside I fear for British farmings future. But as a realist I know people have little option but to buy cheap. PS. we bought four small sicks of rhubarb on Chesterfield market yesterday, it cost £2.00.
When salad growers go bust you know something is seriously wrong.
It's a mistake to think that plants in hydroponics are growing only with water.
There are minerals added and the plants are as healthy as ever.
It takes less space, less people, no dangerous chemicals ans all year crops no matter the weather.
I'm not sure what Liz's problem is. I think, every home should have a hydroponics room growing their own salads.
I don’t have a problem with progress. I made that clear. Did you watch the entire film?
Man cannot live by salads alone. Are you suggesting each household should also have it's own pig farm, hen house, milk cow, lambs ( for meat and our jerseys), etc. 😂😂
@@obtuse1291 Very funny, you are hilarious. You mentioned all non Vegan options.
Growing plants is good for you ruclips.net/video/e1OibKPjEJg/видео.html
@@lizwebstersbf Progress always takes jobs away but creates new ones.
The land doesn't belong to us so it'll be great if we can return it to Nature.
I have agreed to everything you have said up to now and I enjoy your videos,
but agriculture (mostly animal farms) is not to my taste
and I'll be happy when they are gone. I love animals and I hate to see them suffering.
Anyway, that many big subjects and have nothing to do with brexit.
@@obtuse1291 In a hydroponics room, you can grow all the fruit and veggies your family needs.
You wouldn't eat your pets, why eat other beautiful animals?
Buy British! Shame on supermarkets for undercutting uk farmers.
Hydroponic grown vegetables aren't tasteless. Don't bs your viewers. Your points are valid. 👍✌️
Soylent Green, the Tory dream!
Let them eat SPAM!
Some people can no longer afford to buy spam!.............. this is no joking matter!.
Real reason…high energy costs due to net zero
Nobody will buy food that's tasteless. Why are t/a pizzas so popular, despite the fact that there's as much goodness in the cardboard box they're delivered in? Tasty sugar, fat and salt.
Does it taste good and have nutritional benefits?
I very much doubt it.
@@lizwebstersbfyeah the taste of denatured salad leaves
@@sararichardson737 do we miss enjoying natural clothing materials??? Or do we prefer the fabricated stuff? But we don’t eat it and we are what we eat.
Flavour & nutritional qualities are not considerations. Varities are chosen for their ability to be grown hydroponicly, high yields, uniform in shape & colour & once harvested, can resist transportation. The tomatoes you find in supermarkets 12 months of the year are good examples, tasteless & full of water.
@@lizwebstersbf"I doubt it".
So you have not looked into it, but are against it anyway. That is the typical attitude against progress.
It is just a farming method, one you are apparently not used to despite it not being anything new, and as with each farming method, you can make quality produce or rubbish produce. It about a choice made by the farmer, not the method of farming.
It's either robots or 'furinners'. :-)
You may understand now why we in the Netherlands are so happy about Brexit. We get total control over your market segment and can sell those of our products that do not meet European’s requirements.
Ouch ! 😁
Import is cheeper;) and now the Farmers that core for leve are now in desperat.the get what they vote for
Just who is going to be eating all this salad veg? It seems to me the UK is fast becoming a nation of salad dodgers!
I live in Kent, Brexit has killed my business. 75% of locals have voted Brexit....so for me : good and blame the the 75 %
My opinion is that fresh produce is dying. Freezing your products will give you a better shot at staying afloat. You can't change brexit, but you can get ahead of your own demise.
Your government doesn't care whether you live or die, it really is that simple.
Regarding no import checks done. Had we still been EU members there would be the same, no checks on the imports.
Correct me if I am mistaken as absolutely no fan of Brexit.
Yes but the EU exporters HAD TO COMPLY with EU regs on food going to an EU country or face fines and sanctions. Now they don’t need to.
Liz, can you ask your farmer mates if, at the upcoming election, they could possibly fill their fields with 'Vote Labour' signs?? No, of course they won't.
That's alright, tomorrow Jacob Rees Mogg will make a statement from propaganda platform GBeebies and say we can export salad from China or something, and that it will fully benefit the British public.
If it's cheaper I'm for it
The latest that the next General Election can be held is 28th January 2025.
You know how to vote: GROT (Get Rid Of Them)! 😉
Brexit brexit brexit. Give it a rest. Who owns uk energy companys. This greed has nothing to do with brexit.
I am going to disagree with the view here slightly. There are a number of things that you need to take into account when looking at vertical farming.
First, and most important is Brexit and the reduction in labour to harvest this type of crop. You have to expect an element of automation to offset that loss. But automation in open fields for very delicate crops is very difficult.
Second, climate change. It's getting very difficult to guarantee that these types of crops will grow to enough scale and quality to guarantee a wage for farmers. It is what it is and where you can grow indoors then you will.
Third. Pesticides use is massively lower growing indoors, and it is vital to reduce pesticide use to help the wider micro environment.
Forth, green miles. People want local produced food where possible, shipping or flying food from half a world away is not exactly the way to grow food in a modern green world. And the UK is not prime salade growing country.
Fifth. Food security. Being able to guarantee that you can grow certain foods in the UK, no matter what the weather is is very important.
As a technical point, they aren't growing in water, they are grown in a controlled nutrient rich liquid.
In reality, this is exactly the direction that, for small or delicate crops, the country needs to go in. It's going to be very difficult to grow anything outdoors in the UK now so developments like this need to be promoted not treated as a threat. A threat to what?
The growers who voted Brexit cant moan or complain about their fate. That was their choice. Tory politicians needed gammons who voted for Brexit. They got lots of them. Some people benefited from Brexit vía higher salaries, but for many more meant going out of business.
Sorry Liz but your points against hydroponics farming are very weak sauce. There is no equivalence between that and factory farming (such as the one involving livestock) - for goodness sake it’s salad, who cares if it is produced hydroponically or in the ground I bet no one can tell the difference. If anything I might actually prefer the hydroponic one purely because of its efficiency
I did not offer any opposition to hydroponics. I merely asked questions.
Oh we don't need fruit pickers, if it's cheaper to import fruit then that's fine. jacob reese mogg, fruit farmers, did they vote to leave?.
It has NOTHING to do with Brexit, the horticulture sector has for decades been declining simply because of the supermarket trade and shoppers reluctance to pay more for food, i have worked in the sector for nearly 50 years and have seen huge changes, it is difficult to get good labour willing to do any physical work, heating costs are crippling and land is more valuable for building, dont blame it on brexit when you have no idea what your talking about
Sorry everyone but this is the future. You just have to adapt to it.
Like our fishermen, why on earth did you, by and large, vote to leave?
They were Fooled by Farage, Johnson and their ILK, they thought brexit would reduce competition and put MORE money in their pockets. They forgot about European grants and subsidy's, billions of pounds lost through greed!. They forgot that the supermarkets are KING. And NOW they realise they have been FORGOT by this TORY government. As a striking miner during the 1980s we were told OUR mines were uneconomic and would close. WILL this government CLOSE OUR FARM GATES? ALSO!............
No thanks I prefer my food to taste of food
Everything she is saying is not so much a problem with brexit, as it is a problem with the whole membership of the EU.
The EU under membership was always without checks on imports, so no difference under brexit at the moment though it will come.
Did UK salad farmers ever export to the the EU. I doubt it in any profitable manner ( but could stand to be corrected)
So it comes down to the fact that provision of cheap labour every time the EU has an expansion has meant that the UK farmers invested based on the need of cheap labour for ever more and strategically that was unsustainable and it was never going to continue.
Even now a number of EU countries are facing worker shortages, it's not just the UK.
So even under membership, the UK would be facing a cheap worker shortage just like a number of EU countries, even under EU membership the UK would be facing cheap EU goods undercutting UK produce as there were no checks under EU membership.
This is more a problem with the after effects of Covid, and the Ukraine war.
Oh I guess also the climate action, and maybe the messy restructuring of subsidies which is a little bit of brexit.
Maybe you should do a little more research instead of asking to be corrected. You are wrong but check it out. As for labour shortages, there is a gulf of differance between labour shortages and accute shortages. As for restructuring of subsidies in the EU, well they happen with you or without you. Mixing little truths in with big misconceptions is an old trick that most of us can see straight through, unfortunately millions of leave voters were fooled by it.
@@AlexGys9yes that is what my readings suggest.
To me this is an.area the UK needs to change up to especially as later this year the EU food will face some cost barriers. It will be an opportunity to build better capability. I think it needs government support.
Re, checks on imports - Pre brexit the Foods, goods, were moving from one EU country to another so they had to comply with EU regs (that the UK co-wrote) or face fines or serious sanctions. Now they can export WHATEVER they want, it’s up to us to make sure it’s safe to eat…….why can’t Brexiters think further than “Brexit good”?
Re, Cheap labour. There are thousands of fruit pickers in the EU that travel and pick as TEMPORARY LABOUR across Europe, they have few overheads because they live in countries with lower cost of living than the UK, they used to come, pick on different farms then leave. Brits wouldn’t want the work because it is purely seasonal, required skill to do properly, required travel and is hard work.
My suggestions is that you get all your Brexiter friends together and “Pick 4 England” (there, a nice three word Tory slogan for you even! ) Let us know when you have done it!
At least passports are getting blue again.
Another epic rant by an out and out remainer. Luckily most people will see through this rubbish.
Why the presumptive disinformation? Why go from ‘will the food taste the same’ to ‘tasteless food’?
The whole country is suffering because of Brexit and the Tory government,apart from the super rich who have seen their wealth grow at a rapid rate over the last decade or so.
I think you are deluded, Liz, I'll tell you why.
There is not the skilled labour in the UK to take advantage of this high level of technology. Foreign brains are not attracted to come to the UK, in fact they are all following the brain drain to Canada, Germany, USA, Poland, Australia where they all offer better living standards, better salaries, opportunities to advance, the UK offers none of these things, ask any European student, the answers are allways, "the UK has declined too far for me now" I've heard that sentiment a thousand times in Europe, Russia and Stateside from young capable prospects.
All technical training programmes have been dismantled, do you remember all those private training centres that opened about 20 years ago? and took in young school leavers teaching them building skills, welding electic and gas qualifications. ALL SHUT DOWN, go to your local indusrial estate, there used to be one, guarantee it, SHUT now.
Investment from overseas for tech and manufacturing requires good infrastructure, housing, transport, internet, healthcare and a safety net. Great Britain has none of these things, and has no possibility of gaining any of these things in the near to mid term because the basis for them has been removed and investment cash is not available any more, and with the high interest rates, every tech firm looking for a place to invest will eliminate the UK during the first round of searching. The only outside investers that are flocking to the UK are asset strippers and venture capitalists looking for fire sale bargains that have intrinsic value to be robbed, with NO RISK. and rental homes that BlackStock and the like are now scrambling to get thier hands on, because with no skilled labour, investment cash or modern technology, the required number of homes to steady the rent is not possible to build. BlackRoch will make billions from the decline of Great Britain for many years to come.
Don't think I am a pessimist, Liz, I'm not. At my well travelled, worn out old age, after an extensive search for a market (since Brexit separated my UK business from it's 450 million customers, just one days lorry ride away), I have invested again in business. IN GERMANY, POLAND and UKRAINE, where skilled motivated staff are, and half a billion healthy, wealthy customers.
Good luck with it all, I'm sure you as a landed farmer will retire very comfortably, but the othe 60 million will be eating cardboard and sleeping in it Liz.
why the insults?
@@edwardbernthal160Which insult?
@@alexanderromanov737 your opening sentance could be an insult.
@@edwardbernthal160Where Alex comes from direct statements are not considered insults. Let me apologise on his behalf, Alex won't. I must say, that everything he has written is about as accurate as could be. My experience and feedback from here, (Slovenia), is spot on. My local group of colleges/University used to send hundreds for a year or more to England and Scotland, the last few years, almost none, they all go now to Poland, Germany and the clever ones who like girls in bikinis and tanned boys go to Spain, Portugal and Italy. The money grabbers go to the states.
By the way, how's Thérèse Coffey's hot raw sewage outflows now, still going strong?
@@herrglotzenschnitzengruber1510 well the problem is he is not responding to the question Liz asked. The question was, how do we feel about our food being hydroponically. What he is saying is true enough but hardly an answer to the question asked. As for EU students going over to the UK, I can only answer for our Danish students, our students have mostly scratched the UK off of their list of places to study.
The cost of energy is the main reason , blame your friend Vlad.. looney lefty’s
What a wàste
Learn to enjoy canned and frozen food. And maybe artificial vitamin pills to top it off.
Yea we had that in the 60’s and 70’s - spam days
It was only a few weeks ago that the shelves were empty at the supermarkets Lizz. Your wording, not mine.
As common sense should dictate in any market that is worthwhile,
supply and demand.
The eu wants to basically control the natural process with beurocracy, and without the work or genuinely meant commitment.
WHERE IS FARAGE NOW? ... Finding something else to get his five minutes of publicity.
You talk in absolutes like every single farmer will go bust and every bit of salad will come from a vertical farm. that wont be the case it will be a mix as is always the case.......
To be fair though. Naturally grown veg doesn't taste of soil and sh*t.
Well you all voted for the Tories didn't you, big rural support and now they're shafting you just like they shafted every other industry. You reap what you sow it's a race to the bottom now.
Out of my constituency, which is the most farmed county in the south west, farmers don’t even account for 1% which is why my vote never counts and the Tory MP has been safe for decades. When I knocked on doors to canvass last election, I realised that most of the residents in the social housing vote against their best interests for Tories and largely because they “feel” it’s their tribe ie nationalism.
@lizwebstersbf English exceptionalism it's why as a Scot we want away I lived through the chaos of Thatcher but they voted them back in and look what's happened exactly the same as last time. Stop the train I want off.
@@drunkengamer1977 Me too, except I am Welsh and got on my bike to England because of Thatcher.
I mean, it's madness. Jeremy Hunt literally wrote a book on how to privatise the NHS it isn't incompetence it's by design they're trying to destroy everything so badly it can't be salvaged