Brexit Closes Major Car Plant - Town Ruined
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Even 5 years later, it never ceases to amaze me how people keep saying they genuinely didn't expect any of this. Obviously not everyone is super interested in politics or economics but you don't actually need an in-depth understanding of either to understand that Brexit was a bad idea.
Yep. So then why even vote? I guarantee you Honda would have advised their employees to vote remain, and they all ignored it.
Honda pulled out of Europe all together, nothing to do with brexit, Nissan are investing billions so work that one out!
@@domefford864 The Westminster government gave Nissan undisclosed subsidies, not a loan, just taxpayers cash. When that runs out Nissan will be off. No wonder Honda quit Swindon, not too hard to figure out.
@@colinmcginlay3186 really, Nissan will leave? After building a giga factory? How much do the government pay them?
@@domefford864
100 million. and thats without mentioning reduced taxes.
It looks like these people regret voting for Brexit because it affects them personally. I take it if this was happening to people in a town in Scotland and not affecting them at all, they would still be championing Brexit.
True dat
Yepp
100%. Same as with everyone else who is reported to have changed their mind. They never thought it would come back and bite them on the arse, despite all the warnings. It was always about bad things happening to *other* people, which they didn't give a shit about. Consequently, I don't give a shit about any single one person who loses their job after voting for Brexit.
@@bujin1977 I do hope you feel for those who voted remain
@@womenfrom0202 Of course.
You can blame those who were obsessed with the "Great" Britain idea.
Now that UK is free of the rest of Europe, we can go back to making Britain "great" again.
By farming potatoes and turnips. Congratulations to us all.
You do know that "Great Britain" is a geographic term, referring to the greater or larger of the two islands of the British Isles? (Blame the Romans)
@@DMG00111-p you should tell that to the people who were obsessed with "making Britain great again".
The only turnips are in Government.
Potatoes are expensive as well.
@qweqwe9678 Crops were picked by itinerant workers before we joined the then-EEC, continued after we joined, and there is no reason it can't continue now. What has changed is the willingness of many people to do that work. They prefer to live in cities and work in car washes. There's no shortage of labour there.
Swindon was one of the first areas in the country to declare a result, which saw 61,745 (54.7%) vote to leave. Zero sympathy whatsoever
Well, 45.3% sympathy. It's not the fault of the sensible that they were outnumbered by the insane.
That was much less than 50% of the population. Most people in work voted to stay.
@@casteretpollux it shows why it is important to vote
@@casteretpollux yes it is funny fact that tbe remainers were outvoted by disfanctional families who are sometimes out of work for 2 generstions and contribute to the economy in zero numbers.
Democracy shape in a nutshell. If someone says that democracy doesnt need reforms is out of his mind.
The media forget to report on Ford Motor Company being shut down in 2013. I,300 jobs lost. The E.U gave Fords 80 million to move to Turkey. We nearly lost our house and now have to work 7 days a week. I voted to Leave and would rather put a hole in my head than vote Remain.
Well, what to do now?
Strawberry picking, lorry driver jobs, Amazon warehouses, etc. etc.
A lot of jobs out there, just not good ones.
Plenty of low paid "opportunities" all over the UK.
That's Brexit.
Well tough. You dont mind some other poor buggers doing those jobs do you?
I make a good living out of driving trucks thanks. Besides between 1997 and 2009 1.5 million jobs were lost in British manufacturing, was this due to Brexit?
Kakve budale 😂😂😂
@@SuperJoey73 Da, nevjerojatno.
Honda doesn't have anything with low paid jobs
This lady talking is the proof that most employees did not do their homework. The Japanese threatening to pull out was clearly reported, but not on the Express or the Daily Mail. It is easier to destroy than to build. Rebuilding that many jobs will not happen. A permanent loss. Well done!
I'm sure I read about it on the BBC, that station much reviled by many Brexiteers.
No. The company made official statements years ago warning of the potential consequences so these employees did not need to read about the potential consequences in rags like the Mail or Express, all they had to do was read from their inbox or company website . Then you have GB News running stories of why Brexiteers are called 'thick'.
Project fear. Exceptionalism. Dreams of Empire. Who knows why people didn't believe shit would actually hit them if they stood in front of the fan. Bless.
@@sgwh2002 and the massive amount of our money being used as a bribe?
Liz Webster is a LibDem and campaigned for remain.
I can't imagine why anyone working in this Honda factory producing Japanese cars for the European market would think Brexit was a good idea for their job security.
Because their mate Billy Silly Bollocks told them.
@@sumikamal8898 🤣🤣🤣
It makes no sense.
Most people don't understand how global economy works today. They don't realize that 4 out of 10 products in every supermarket are produced abroad and that 5 out of 10 are produced within the country but require to import at least some ingredient, production tool or package material from abroad to make it happen. Only 1 out 10 products does not require anything from abroad at all. Now just imagine, what supermarkets would look like if 9 out of 10 products would be gone tomorrow. And considering this, why would anyone vote for "let's make importing goods as hard and as expensive as possible" be a good idea? But people don't realize that so much stuff comes from abroad. And if you think supermarkets are bad, supermarkets are actually the stores with the most products produced in country. Don't even get started about clothing, electronics or cars. In every UK household are more goods that were produced outside of UK than inside of UK. The way how this works is by UK itself exporting their goods to other countries, and again, why would vote for "Let's make export as hard and expensive as possible", when this export is a major source of income for at least half of all employers in the country? I know so many Germany companies that used to purchase products from UK and now the all switched to other EU countries instead as it just takes too much time and is too expensive to keep importing them from UK.
@@xcoder1122 The G7+ economic and political playbook.
Wow 😮 they were told by Japan that they would leave the UK. They were told and warned. And they still voted for Brexit ?!
They said it was project fear 😂
They hate their jobs, is the only answer I can think of.
This is the power of propaganda. Nobody is immune, and it's designed to make people take action against their own interest. "Critical thinking" is more than just being skeptical; it's about confirming that what you're hearing corresponds to reality. And it's not always easy if you're deluged in propaganda.
Just gullible thickos really !😢
@@tomhighsmith Yes being forced to make a quality product, opposite former English cars, must have been extremely scary! I owned a from new 1966 BMC Mini, as my first car, so I know what I talk about!! Finn. Denmark
"Brexit is more important than Britain". Yes, I think that sums it up nicely.
What nonsense.
@@truckerfromreno the evidence is before you! The Tories are now pushing the lie that all is well when Brexit is having massive negative effects already. This government have been more interested in getting Brexit done ( and they still haven’t , their trade deals are appalling) than in readying the country for the pandemic.
@@Lynnefromlyn The deomcratic wishes of the people have been carried out. We have left the EU. Just rejoice in that news.
@@truckerfromreno quite apart from the 40 years of misinformation and lies about the EU from the right wing press, the lies told by the Leave campaign ( fraudulent and still I believe under investigation), there was NOTHING democratic about the referendum. And with more and more evidence coming out as to the monumentally negative effects of Brexit, more and more leave voters are changing their minds. If you don’t understand the plight of the fishing and farming industries I suggest you find a good information resource and educate yourself. Maybe have a chat to one or two of the unemployed Honda workers while you are at it?
The lady called it correctly and it needs an answer.
*Hello from Swindon, the plant has closed 3 weeks ago and there is the news about all it’s production line buildings set to be demolished later this month. The town which supported Brexit is now truly facing the reality. No one is seeing what is really happening in Swindon, pubs getting closed, big retailers moving out of the town centre, staff shortages, growing unemployment. This is the sad truth. As the woman said, the more focus of these Tory ministers were to get Brexit done for pride and their own satisfaction and never for Britain to be on the forefront.*
The media forget to report on Ford Motor Company being shut down in 2013. I,300 jobs lost. The E.U gave Fords 80 million to move to Turkey. We nearly lost our house and now have to work 7 days a week. I voted to Leave and would rather put a hole in my head than vote Remain.
Thanks for the update Comrade Kim.
@@chickedee1085 Get trukkin' then, Comrade Ford.
I guess it's difficult to make a strong argument about Brexit bringing unemployment, when unemployment - up to the start of the pandemic - was at a record low. Since the pandemic, everything is sufficiently unclear to allow everyone to draw the conclusions that meet their worldview. Remainers point to a skills shortage which will slow the economy. But Leavers point to this pushing-up wages.
I've had quite a surprise, to be honest. I'm someone who left the UK because I couldn't stand the stench of Brexit Britain. I want to see Leavers learning their painful lesson. So when I saw the UK government haemorrhaging money in the pandemic, acting with corruption and incompetence which was resulting in tens-of-thousands of excess deaths, I have to derived a good deal of Schadenfreude. I thought the government will be bankrupt with its 'Brexit war-chest empty, and unable to camouflage the damage of Brexit. I was looking to Britain going cap-in-hand to the IMF for a bail-out, like in the 1970s.
But it's not really worked-out that way so far, has it. Despite everything, even the party of this Brexit government is still comfortably ahead in the polls. Does it just take time? At any rate, I think the signs have to be much clearer. I'm looking for unambiguous, undisputable evidence of the failure and the poverty of Brexit. I think it's going to take orders of magnitude more bad news before Britons are ready to concede their mistake, and be humbled enough to rejoin the civilised international community.
@@ibenzawla who voted for the EU leaders? Oh I forgot there wasn’t even an election ….Comrade.
I'm fed up with people who regret voting for Brexit bleating, 'Oh, we didn't know the facts!' The facts were out there; pity so many people chose to ignore them.
Bcs they're stupid ignorant ahahahhahah
The facts were explained to them in detail. They just didn't want to listen.
there was an overload of facts
Elsewhere on the web you can read about the average adult reading age in the U.K. being 9. It isn't a figure plucked out of the air for shock value, though shocking it surely is, it comes from ongoing research that shows our reading age reducing over time. Why is that? Is education being deliberately de-prioritised so that only big slogans on buses and sound bites from clown-like politicians are widely understood? A 9 year old wouldn't have read, nor have been able to comprehend, the available information from those pre-Brexit discussions. What I'm positing here is that a great number of people have far lower thinking capabilities than we might like to think. That doesn't make them bad people or stupid people, it makes them the victims and thereby the tools for those powerful people in who's interests Brexit was fashioned.
Easily led sheeple! Sun readers and mouth breathers. Brexshite! What a load of crap!
and then in 2019 Swindon elected a tory MP with a huge increased majority. You couldn't make this shit up!!
Don't worry they are going to get levelled up! You do believe in fairies and levelling up don't you?
Look at any number of tory seats in 2019 compared with 2015. There's a reason someone bothered to coin the term "sheeple".
Brexit didn't actually take place until 31 January 2020. But I get your point.
Get Brexit done. Was the reason Boris got the majority he did in 19. Family's had been at each others throats for 5 years already
Turkeys voting for Thanksgiving, as we would say in the US.
In 2004, I bought a Honda Civic in the US that was made in Swindon. That's right, Honda exported British-made Hondas to the US on occasion.
Extremely easy decision for Honda to make. The Swindon factory made sense so long as it was in the EU. Once it was just in some random country outside of the EU - made no sense.
It's called consequences, they took action through their vote and this is what happened. The government and the opposition told them at the time that this might happen and they dismissed it as project fear. Time to grow up and deal with it.
😡 The government did what?
'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.
😂😂
Laughed about Project Fear, Honda's threats and the news that Honda was closing. But still reading the Daily Mail. These people need a serious deprogramming - which will never happen.
They need a cull. And it looks like Brexit is going to deliver it.
Honda have actually been experiencing problems for many years now - saying from before the Brexit vote. The company have severe financial problems regarding their car division. It's motorbikes that are keeping them afloat.
They used to sell loads of cars in the UK. Ten years ago it was common to see alot of Honda cars on our roads - especially the Civic. But no one in the UK is buying a Honda anymore, and there are fewer Honda cars on Britain's roads now. When was the last time you saw a Civic? ....or an Accord?? Exactly.
No one is buying Honda now. Like Renault, Citroen, and Peugeot - they are among the biggest loser's over the last decade.
The winners are manufacturers like Kia, Skoda, Dacia, Jeep, Toyota, BMW, and Mercedes.
@@robtyman4281 i see them literally all the time
@@simplyklairee ....not in London anyway.
@@simplyklairee 2nd
Everyone in Europe saw this coming, except the British. Such a tragedy …
49% of us did too sadly
The right is the party of the rich and England has been sucked dry by the rich for abouth 40 years (tatcher in particular, just like in America by reagan etc) The brexit was an attempt to make a better country that failed. Getting the country back in order will take tens of years and will have to come largely from taxes that are currently unpayable. The best solution is to become a member again (if europe allows it) Note: in America, when Trump was not yet president, he said that left-wing government seems to work better than right-wing government. The left stands for WE, and the right board stands for ME. Since Reagan and Tatcher, the celebration for the rich has begun.
Now you have your "empire"..and alone
Not all of us wanted Brexit we spoke about what would happen but the idiots did not listen
The Dacia plants in Romania will benefit sweetly. Trained and experienced workforce you didn't plan for. Market expansion here we come.
True. Briton is on it's way to being the "new" eastern block country, closed off to the rest of the world
@@ji3946 Learn to spell.
@@ji3946 says you as were signing major trade deals around the world without interfering Brussels !
@@charlestaylor8566 Have fun with these trade deals. Your government was so eager to sign them that they gave the other parties more or less anything they desired. That's NOT how you get trade deals that benefit your own country. It's just window dressing.
Trade deals when you've your back up against the wall. Think about it if you were a businessman and you were going to start making deals with someone who just got rid of all his suppliers and burned their bridges would you really think they could negotiate a trade deal on a lower footing.britian is signing these bad trade deals because it knows it has to go home and try tell the wife (the British public) that today was a good day stuff was productive. Pretty soon she's going to be asking why the bank account is in a negative balance if he's working so much?
I feel sorry for the employees but I live in the Republic of Ireland and I could never understand how people who had jobs that involved imports/exports voted for Brexit.
Because they are thick
Kris. Thick ?, I don't like the word. Incurious ?, in many things people don't like to think, they want easy answers, easy sound bites, easy slogans.
But even Government ministers (for whom there is no excuse) failed to grasp the implications, or thought somehow that will power or British (English ?) exceptionalism could get us through.
But I suspect if you had another referendum tomorrow Brexiteers could still win - waving flags and demonizing foreigners is easier than discussing economic policy.
@@jonlinin9682 i heard there has been a majority amongst voters for remain for some time now. Also many young voters have reached 18 since the referendum and many older voters have died.
I do think stupidity is the root cause of it all and many tory MPs and ministers are themselves fairly stupid
Bcs they're ignorant ahahahah
@richtea78 well a person would have to be pretty stupid to vote for something to spite people who called them stupid
I am confused by your comment - clearly they are gullible if they can be easily manipulated
"A vote.. a gut feeling...How you feel about being part of Europe (...and working for a foreign company) the bizzare legacy of Brexit is highlighting the universal arrogance of a mindset that still believes in empire....well lads the empire you once ruled is striking out without you. Brexit means Brexit.
In the us where fascism is rife.the richest 4 people have 600 billion between them.they coukd pay each man woman and child 1000 dollars each and still have 55 billion each
Brexit has got bugger all to do with empire, and everything to do with national sovereignty and self-determination. Stop regurgitating ridiculous caricatures peddled by the liberal establishment and their media lackeys.
"National sovereignty and self-determination" mere dog-whistle jingoistic nonsense. Britain voted with the EU 98% of the time. EU regulations and directives had to be incorporated into British legislation and voted through Parliament the same way as any home-grown legislation. If you were unhappy with how Europe did things, why weren't you lobbying your MEP to make changes at the source? If that odious toad Farage was typical of what Britain sent to Europe, it's no wonder you felt hard done by. the impression that I get was that the position of MEP was regarded by Tories as a sinicure for work-shy party blowhards, a convenient way to get them out of the way.
@@Blog4Justice It would be a ridiculous caricature... if only the ridiculous caricatures wouldn't keep popping up, alive and well, and defending their brexit vote with ridiculously caricatured dreams of a long gone past.
@@Blog4Justice ‘The liberal establishment’...you mean those renowned lefty newspapers like the Daily Mail, Express, Telegraph? Wake up and realise that you’ve been conned by the real elite who are all billionaire right wingers who pushed the lies of Leave to keep the EU off their UK protected tax havens.
All the people who say “it’s not the brexit I voted for”. Yes it is. You had a responsibility to do your homework, consider the validity of the information you were being presented, assess if you had a full picture or if there might be other risks. It was so obvious that there were other risks, particularly for people in jobs that rely on Europe. I work for an airline that exclusively flies around Europe and to and from the UK. The number of utter morons I work with who voted leave absolutely astounds me.
well said..........the ignorance of the UK voters is staggering
"Brexit is more important than Britain".
Beast of a quote, that.
Gives me the shivers.
It’s a religion cause people believe in it.
I wouldn't feel too sorry for them. They're not sad about all the other factories and businesses that have gone to the wall because of Brexit, just theirs. They would still be comfortable with the way they voted if not for that.
They also got big redundancy payoffs. Much higher than the norm.
What Bollocks.
If you bothered to do the tiniest bit of research, you'd know Honda have said this is nothing to do with Brexit. They are moving out of Europe altogether in favour of Asia and the USA. There are plenty of articles explaining this.
What other factories have closed in the UK? In Sunderland Nissan have expanded with an electric battery plant.
Someone's forgetting about all of the subsidiary companies that make parts for Honda cars. I bet hundreds of companies will be effected by this, not just the Honda workers. Pretty selfish and ignorant point of view. But then I heard people saying the same thing about Peugeot Ryton, Vauxhall Luton and Longbridge.
@@lokibrux It was all rather selfish.
For every car manufacturing position, there are about 4 supplier ones... not to mention small businesses...catering/shopping... in the area. That's a BIG hit.
@@Nine-Signs And so the solution is...?
I AM profoundly sorry for the supporting industries now at risk.
Not sorry at all for people who voted for Brexit out of selfish self-interest - and now whine about being duped.
@@MrMcCawber a lot of the support industries probably voted leave too - I doubt they were any deeper at thinking than the leave voters at the plant - they certainly didn't bother telling them it was a bad idea do vote to close their plant.
As labour rights are well catered for in the EU you will receive substantial support....say what? Not a EU citizen....ooh,well then I feel sorry for you.
@@mikael884
My feelings entirely - with the greatest sympathy where that sympathy is deserved.
It's just like news this week that the EU is delaying UK imports with paperwork.
But surely the EU are now entitled to say "You said you wanted out! You're out! What's your problem?"
I'm proud and happy to be British, but even I have to admit the UK only ever played one game within the EU. And that was with our ball and our rules, or get lost Johnny Foreigner.
52% of this country either lied to themselves or their friends and are complicit in driving this county off a cliff. I have no sympathy for them at all. To the other 48% (of which I am one) I can only feel deep regret at the future this country faces.
Chaos all around and the blonde one swans off to Spain on his holiday, wait until they mess with the Northern Ireland protocol and the EU and probably America as well impose punitive sanctions, a lot more pain to come👹
It was 52% of voters, not of adults.
@@casteretpollux ok if you want to split hairs over it, 17,410,742 people drove us off a cliff whilst 16,141,241 said 'hit the brakes, I dont believe a word bojo is saying!'
@@angryb0b-f7n I'm sick of lazy repetitions of Tory propoganda. Take a hike.
@@casteretpollux That doesnt make any sense? You think im supporting the Tories?
I *LOVE* how Brexit has backfired on those who voted for it. Vote for Brexit - EAT Brexit! I'm done caring about them 👏🍿😎
Well I get how you both feel, but we must remember that they are still the unwitting victims of an extensive and misleading campaign by elites.
@@zuulroom But those that did not fall for the elites lies warned them but were scoffed at, so sod 'em. They won, they need to get over it and stop whinging already
To quote JOB ....'Compassion for the conned, contempt for the conmen' ......
@@zuulroom if Leave had recognised how divided the country was and looked at ways to try and bring people together, I would be more inclined to empathise with Leavers who are now suffering as a result of Brexit.
But we’ve had 5 years of “Remoaners”, “We won, you lost, get over it”, and of course the endless “Will of the people”. Any good will they might have had from Remain voters, they’ve pissed up the wall. Frankly, they deserve everything they get. And the sad thing is they’ll keep voting Tory, expecting their situation to change.
Completely understand not being sympathetic towards the Brexit voters who are now feeling the harsh impact of their uninformed referendum decision.
I've been trying to be understanding since 2016 and have seen very few examples of genuine regret from the people who voted for Brexit. There have been a very few people who have publicly raised their hand to admit they were wrong.
Instead, the people who did vote Brexit despite knowing now what it has done to their future prospects, are doubling down on their decisions. They're blaming the EU, they're still blaming immigration, they're using words like "woke" and "communism" to divert blame onto other people. These same people are blind to the evidence of corruption, political negligence, media manipulation and good old fashion facts. These are the individuals who are so deeply entrenched in their inability to own up to being wrong, that they're becoming perfect candidates for other (more dangerous) conspiracies aligned to Covid denial, far-right extremism, incel rhetoric, etc.
That's what worries me.
Alternatively, they'll acknowledge that their political heros lied to them during Brexit and then choose to support more fanatical organisations to show their anger. That can't be good for anyone.
It would be good to figure out a safe way for people to talk about their mistakes without forcing them to feel idiotic.
Tough one, but needs to happen.
My violin is ready for Honda Brexit voters
Borrow mine. 🎻
@@davesy6969 have you got a smaller one please?
Need a cello, it’s more mournful.
@@Chainyanker007 You're using the world's tiniest violin for those fools. 🎻
The real victims in all this is the British youth many of them didn't vote or were too young to vote and they now have to live with this mess
When will the British working class understand that people with power and money is not on their side, rather the opposite!
Never, they never will.
There is a reason billionaires keep lose making newspapers.
Working class get told its immigration that hurts them
This is a fact I have known most of my life Hans, a significant number of the working class of my country, (England), seem to be overawed by the 'great and the good' and actually relish their lives as sheep, believing that the said 1% and the tories have a god given right to dictate their lives for them and that what is dictated is for their own good. They turn out and vote for the bloody tories time and time again. They appear to implicitly believe that the toxic lies printed or broadcast by the right wing media hence brexshit and reinforced xenophobia. The real reason they do all this is beyond me perhaps it's sycophancy or they think that voting for the 'toffs' somehow makes them superior to the rest of the herd, who knows!
It's thanks to these people and a more insidious hard right element we now have to lie in a bed of shit, which will only get deeper as time goes on, the trouble with this is that I and people of similar outlook have to lie in the same bed. I'm approaching my 70th birthday and it sickens me to think that I probably won't live long enough to see better times, the damage done to this country and it's reputation world wide by the brexshiteers of all classes is too deep! Keep well my friend.
The British working class were told that it was the metropolitan elitist pro-EU experts who had the money and power, and so they voted against what those Remainer experts were advocating.
"What about the 3,500 workers in the plant"
Y'see, I thought about them a lot. Which is why I voted remain. You sleep in your own bed mate
I have trouble understanding them. An issue big enough to hold a referendum over and these people thought the option to change the status quo wouldn't change the status quo?
Well said
Honda have closed other plants around the world….is that down to Brexit too?….thought not
@@eggy1962 Oh have they? Name them
@@chameleonedm Turkey and Philipines
Don't worry, I'm sure they can feed their families on cognitive dissonance.
They definitely can’t feed them on cognitive dissonance but maybe some sovereignty is more fulfilling
You mean Positive Thinking! Boris said that's all we need. Plus, has he forgotten, 'it's just got to get bad, before it can get better'. His starving and being jobless will be more than worth the wait! Boris promised it himself 👍 This is what being British is ALL about! 😂🙈
Add a dash of bulldog spirit and voila!
And the succulent savoury sovereignty!
I hear sovereignty is quite tasty this time of year
They voted with their nationalist, xenophobic prejudice for Brexit, they won now they can OWN IT!
Oh bollocks
@saxman You're wriggling dear saxman, trying to wriggle out of it. It's a wriggle that's going to have to become ever more frantic as the evidence of brexit being a mistake continues to slowly mount up.
@Carel Goodhair, it's always - the future - you seem to know how bad the future is going to be but could not predict the outcome of the referendum itself.
Are these salty remainers not so much tuned into the direction of the economy or is this more about suffering from clinical depression?
CEO Takahiro Hachigo said in a press conference Tuesday the decision was part of a global restructuring plan. Hachigo also said that Honda would continue to base its European headquarters in the U.K.
Meanwhile, another official from Honda told BBC radio on Tuesday that the closure was not Brexit-related, according to Reuters.
In this life you pay for your mistakes, sometimes dearly.
As a German citizen I would like to point out that regretting having voted nationalist, because you lost your job shows that you still have the wrong intentions. We had nationalism here and still suffer from it today.
The world is shrinking by the minute. Many contemporary problems are of global nature (environmentally, medically, socio-economically, etc.) and the belief to be able to solve them singular on a national basis is at least naive.
Do you really believe that GB can solve the competition with China alone when the whole of Europe struggles doing so? With your decision you not only damaged your own country, you did this to all of us in Europe. And even if you don't believe it, the majority of Europeans regretts it as much as some of you who voted to leave do it now.
Everyone I know who visited your country was amazed. What the heck were you thinking while acting like you did?
Wir haben ja auch eine Partei, die den Dexit durchaus begrüßen würde -- und genug Leute, die diese Leute wählen, aus den gleichen Gründen wie die Leute in Swindon.
@@friedrichjunzt Die würde allerdings keinen Anglizismus verwenden um das zu benennen. Und die Situation Deutschlads ist als Kontinentalnation eine völlig andere. Außerdem ist wohl die Erinnerung an ein untergegangenes Imperium hier wohl eher nicht so verbreitet.
Natürlich gibt es Parallelen in ganz Europa. Nach 500 Jahren die Welt ausbeuten, scheinen die Dinge gerade etwas aus dem Ruder zu laufen. Die Welt kommt zu uns und die, die das nicht tun wehren sich mehr und mehr. Das macht Angst. Aber für einen Ausstieg aus der EU wird das hier m.A.n. nicht reichen ...
China is Chance and Risk about the same Medailie! The Full Global Production came never back that Show us Corona!
I still can’t believe people voted to leave when it was in most of their interests to stay in it.
Hello Khurmiful , i think many of them now realize their best interests was best served by staying in ? But as they seem to have opted for lazy thinking at the time of the referendum, that’s apparently carried on afterwards and created a situation were they desperately don’t want to be seen as stupid whilst trying to maintain some dignity, they now shout louder and grab anything that’s available, agreeing to lose everything just to save face becomes a massive asset to an inherently Lazy Right Wing ! ,
I'm in N Ireland and I'm still glad uk voted to leave even though its affected the status of NI. To be honest I gave up on UK years ago and I'm building up my emigration fund to get the hell out
Never forget that the late Tony Benn (and Corbyn) was against the EU, on the grounds of its lack of democracy
@@jimdee9801 Good on you Jim , rats deserting the sinking ship
@@DMG00111-p never forget Benn and Corbin are committed communists.
Sitting there with a GB News hat on wondering what happened.
You got Faraged mate. He's laughing it up and having pints with Bobby George
👏👏👏
This is indeed part of the truth what hurts the most is people inability to see thought that crap.
Let’s make Faraged a thing I’m going to use it for anything shite.
He's faraged it up, made a right Johnson out of it.
Was it Stephen Fry who observed what a shame it is to see adults wearing baseball caps outside of a sports context? That one takes the biscuit.
It is incredible that people allowed themselves to be swindled by the Brexit brigade. It just does not make sense to leave a club that predominantly is a trading block and not to expect a negative impact on jobs.
I’m pretty sure that we warned this lot about this at the time, but they said it was ‘project fear’. Voted themselves out of a job. Feel bad for these sheeple who can’t think for themselves, but I’m annoyed I’m suffering as a result of their gullibility.
I still blame David Cameron. A decision of this magnitude should NOT have been left to a largely uniformed public. Or if it did, it should have had a much higher threshold than a simple majority.
@@jacqdanieles absolutely agree
@Halli Day disagree with this, it’s more the fault of the right wing media monopoly telling lies to support a criminally corrupt far right wing Conservative party. Northern Ireland hasn’t left the uk, it joined with England as separated from Southern Ireland.
@Halli Day dude what are you talking about? Seriously can you explain it
@Halli Day I mean, I would say the same to you about saying “Ireland left the uk”, when are you talking about? Ancient history or the fact that Northman Ireland have remained in the single markets and are highly likely to leave the union as a result of Brexit?
In the race to the bottom the UK has won, congratulations, now deal with it.
My business of making tiny violins is booming thanks to brexit
Da, da, da,.... Da, da, da, da,... Etc. 🇫🇷
If Honda employees voted out because of foreigners nicking their jobs, that is lunacy. They had well paid positions in an internationally successful business. Now look.
And in a foreign business. Basically foreigners fiving them their job, if you beleive in that stuff. (That jobs are given etc.)
I live in Derby and I’m still staggered by the number of Rolls Royce & Toyota workers who voted Leave! Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!
@@abumstead1219 it’s because they are ignorant and listen to stupid people, sheep if you like
I remember Brexiteers on BBC Question Time literally shouting and screaming at anyone who tried to explain why Brexit would be detrimental to the UK economy and why we should stay in the EU. Even then, when we followed the route to Brexit, we could have stayed in the customs union which would have removed a lot of the trade barriers and bureaucracy, but the government and Brexiteers were gung ho for the hardest form of Brexit. Getting what you voted for is sometimes a hard lesson.
Sadly, the rest of us got what they voted for, too........
And, also sadly, they are in such denial they'll go to their graves blaming the EU, covid, Honda - anyone else. I wouldn't hold my breath for any mea culpa from them!
I remember that and also remember thinking that I wouldn’t now bother voting because of their disgusting attitudes, they could totally own their own screw up.
they were tired of experts... remember?
@@Morattis And when experts appeared on BBC Question Time they were met with simplistic slogans - we need to threaten No Deal to force the EU to give us a better deal! You're frustrating the will of the 17 million people who voted for Brexit! Project Fear!
To be fair, the audiences on Question Time were generally gathered by a trip to the local 'Spoons with dart guns.... very one-sided.
Underreported???? I, who live in Norway, knew that the Japanese told people that they would have to close business in UK if there was a Brexit.
Well, not even the Guardian took much interest after the closure was announced 2 years ago. So Swindon was collateral damage.
I can report that many (perhaps most?) Swedes had at least some idea of this too.
Perhaps more Brits should watch Scandinavian news channels?
@@ianmc8671 Indeed. According to the tabloids, Norway is actually envious of the deal that Johnson has negotiated with the EU, and wants to get out of the bad deal it has with the EU.
@@arthurpewtey We have been watching but very selectively. All last year there was strong political pressure to follow Sweden's approach to the pandemic and to not adopt any strict measures. But also to reject implementing any of the social support structures that Sweden has, like better housing and social funding for those self isolating, or properly funding public healthcare.
@@bornachUK tabloids I assume? They are to be trusted... Norwegians shake their head of the stupidity of a hard Brexit. We recommended a Norwegian solution for you, but nah, you wanted to become a true third country.
Never bite the hand that feeds you.
Don't spit on the plate you eat in.
Don't cut the branch you're sat upon.
The one upshot of Brexit is, that it made the EU popular again in the rest of the member states. It's far from perfect, very much a work in progress but already a wonder of the world.
@cutscene 1985 Looking from the outside (American) I couldn't agree more. So much blood over the centuries, and finally peace and trade. What the hell was the problem?
yes you right eu is far from perfect but its a good thing for europeans to feel europeans. lets work on it and make it better
And plenty of them still voted boris
@@michaelkornegay4846 There isn't a problem with the EU, Michael, they had to make a load of lies up to get people to vote for Brexit. It's all about the right of the Conservative party not being held accountable to anyone except themselves, that's why we have Brexit.
Europe having decades of peace, prosperity and shared culture for the first time in its history.
UK - no thanks
"Brexit is more important than Britain", well, yes, but more to the point, the ultra wealthy avoiding tax is more important than pretty much anything.
Well said
Tax avoidance was all it was about
Can't blame Breaxit on the wealthy. They knew it would be bad for the British businesses they own. I consider myself wealthy and voted remain.
@@ColinWatters
You’re right, only the ignorant voted for this, the excuse was made “Lack of information”, there was so much information out on about it that the Europeans know more and as I don’t reside in the UK I read up on it and learned the facts and I knew it was a bad decision if the majority voted to leave..
Wealthy people pay enormous amounts of tax through being a large employer , if they didnt exist then your taxes would be higher ...
I find it incredible difficult to have sympathy for those impacted if they voted to leave. They voted for this, they were warned but the thought it wouldn’t impact on them so they didn’t care.
Now my son grows up poorer both fiscally and culturally thanks to these ppl.
I feel deeply sorry for the citizens of the UK. We tried so hard to keep you in the EU - sadly without success. It‘s shocking to learn about the role of the media, they betrayed you as much as the politicians. Hope we can welcome you back one day. All the best from Germany.
Thanks, mate.
'We laughed it off, to be honest'
There you go. Doesnt believe the evidence until its hit him in the face.
@@comparecars_org
They sure as hell did
Many still don't believe. Amazing.
Don’t look up
“…they’re moving back to Romania.”
That, ladies and gentlemen, is why Brexit happened.
" I don't think we made the decision knowing the facts we know today..... " Points to ALL the experts in MANY MANY fields screaming about this sort of thing happening, Points to your own article saying you knew the plant was closing and laughed it off.
But the British public have had enough of experts smh
The primary pro brexit economist openly said brexit would severely damage the UK car industry yet these people voted leave? Ignorance is no longer bliss.
I remember the "No we are not dumb we know exactly what we are voting for!" lol
When a person starts a discussion with "I'm not stupid", than you instantly know everything you need to know about that person that same moment.
No further discussion is needed.
@@almiromeragic9341 The same applies when some starts with "I am not racist". Usually followed with "but...".
@@olmostgudinaf8100 exactly.
@Notapathetic Leftylooney _"You lost the vote"_ - yes, and that's all you have left. You could not justify it even then, let alone now. But "you knew what you were voting for".
LOOOOL
10 to 1 these people are still going to vote Tory again next time around.
Let's be honest, Corbyn fucked the Labour party up.....and they just need time to recover.
"Let them pick fruit!"
I feel a "let them eat cake" vibes.. and I like it...
@@gawkthimm6030 Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is no Marie Antoinette.
Hey- but maybe this will give you some comfort:
They're probably gonna rebuild that factory! Only they'll rebuild it in france or germany.
I hope that gives you some solace.
This is very sad for all those affected but if only they had taken a little bit of time to research the probable impact of Brexit on the Honda plant rather than believe the lies fed to them by Johnson, Farage and their cronies then maybe they would have voted to remain in the EU.
Hes not going to research much he believes the daily wail
This is why, after the vote, Brexiteers shifted their emphasis and insisted that it had all been about democracy and sovereignty and not economics - I even recall Farage shouting down a listener on LBC with “you can’t put a price on democracy!” Which sounds jolly noble until you actually lose your job but don’t notice any significant improvement in democracy. But just think of the sovereignty, the crown in Parliament is again victorious and demonstrating the exceptionalism of England - hoorah! Now what?
There's no such thing as democracy, its a lie told us to create the illusion of freedom
If this was to do with Brexit, you'd expect their factory to be moving to France or Germany. But it's not. The factory is moving to Asia. In fact Honda have openly stated this isn't to do with Brexit.
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 And of course Honda did that because they always tell the unvarnished truth and not because of a desire not to alienate the British government or their target market in the UK, in the 65+ age range who voted over 60% to leave? Sure. And indeed the assembly moved to Asia because Japan concluded a trade deal with the EU while we were playing at Brexit, meaning that they can assemble cars of mainly Japanese-made components in Thailand, Malaysia or Indonesia and export them to the EU as Japanese cars - covered by a deal which they would not have had had they stayed in Swindon. But believe what you like, it really isn’t important any more.
@@davidpaterson2309 Well hey... everyone has their particular spin to put on a story don't they. Some of us are just more aware of that fact than others.
Brexit has greatly reduced the strength of UK democracy and sovereignty.
It used to be a rule-maker, now it is a rule taker. And Bozo is quietly dismantling freedoms like the right to protest and the position of parliament.
The lesson: Never vote for something that you don't really understand!
I am sure most thought they knew it all through Farage & Al
The media forget to report on Ford Motor Company being shut down in 2013. I,300 jobs lost. The E.U gave Fords 80 million to move to Turkey. We nearly lost our house and now have to work 7 days a week. I voted to Leave and would rather put a hole in my head than vote Remain.
"People have had enough of Experts" ... this is the result.
And the liars JRM, Farage, Gove, BoJo, Truss, Braverman etc. live happily ever after ...
Bring them to court, jail them.
The problem is that she was looking for upsides to Brexit in the wrong place: pop over to the Netherlands and you'll find all sorts of benefits to Brexit with foreign investment, new businesses and all sorts of financial improvements that are directly linked to Brexit. If you're looking for upsides in the UK then it's no wonder that you didn't find them.
Increases in exports here in Ireland.
@@Becka_Harper See? Brexit benefits all over the place.
@@littlebluepanda394 yup, it's a golden age of sunlit uplands and I just had my unicorn delivered. I'm sure they'll get all that in Scotland after independence; but not in England, they're fucked.
"Welcome to the Brexit, sir" sums it up perfectly.
There was a headline in one of the gutter press that said BRITISH BUSINESSMAN FINDS LOOPHOLE TO EU STUPIDITY. Turned out that this British businessman's loophole was moving his business, lock stock and barrel to Holland. He had made all his British employees redundant, and employed Dutch people instead. It cost him a lot of money to do, but he now has access to the Customs Union and Single Market. And they called it a "loophole."
I have NO sympathy with the Honda workers and Swindon people who voted Leave because they voted for Nationalistic Jingoistic imbecile reasons and now pay the consequences. Tough.
Farage should give them a pep talk on the great advantages Brexit has brough to Britain.
Yes the fish is happier after all
@@Borderman47 hello there, are you a descendant of Bride Sing, married Tattersall?
@@Borderman47 whe was a great aunt of mine in Liverpool.
I live in Switzerland
And they would cheer for him!
Farage will just say this is not the Brexit deal I voted for I thought he was to leave the country
A bunch of unthinking fools who didn't think before they voted
They can not turn back time, now they must live with the consequences.
"Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it"
The media forget to report on Ford Motor Company being shut down in 2013. I,300 jobs lost. The E.U gave Fords 80 million to move to Turkey. We nearly lost our house and now have to work 7 days a week. I voted to Leave and would rather put a hole in my head than vote Remain.
@@chickedee1085 Well then I wish you a nice Christmas.
Given the incompetence of the Tories, I think you may have shot yourself in the foot.
But, you have what you wished for.
@@davidhouston4810 you haven’t answered the point to my comment. Avoidance usually means you were sussed out. It’s people like you who supported selling the U.K. out for a quick buck. What was in it for you? Quicker queues at the airport, easier to avoid your tax, second home in south of France? We not only wished for it we got it, the best thing that happened to the U.K. since 1973.
@@chickedee1085 Forgive me.
I had not realised there was any "point" to your previous comment.
I have no "home" in France or anywhere else, and it must be more than 20 years since I flew in a plane.
I have never been able to avoid paying taxes, no doubt your taxes will increase rather than decrease as a result of your decision.
I think the worsted is yet to come, all Britain will pay a heavy price for leaving the EU.
Neither staying nor leaving will benefit me at all.
And yet I worry for my Family, waving a flag will not help them in any way.
Maybe you will find joy in that.
I am an EU citizen living in UK and now I got more rights than the British people because they voted to abolish them.
That's just unbelievable.
Same here lol, feel sorry for people who was hit by Brexit. If I would get redundant I think I will be calm and look at it as an opportunity to do something different, either here or back in EU, even thought UK has become my home after 17 years living here. I would agree that there were more xenofobia started after the Brexit vote, I didn;t fealt so welcommed as before,however I have seen a dislike faces before anyway after hearing my accent. However I still find British nation being one of the most welcoming, smart and educated ones - never heard any bad comment in front of my eyes. Shame that they fell into a trap of a patriotistic calls from few a bunch of morrons who just wanted to get into the power, and achieved their target by the way. Now all of us will deal with consequences. Personally I will survive,I have seen worse in my life and I will know what do in the next fck ups to come, but I feel sorry for people who will be hit so hard that they will not be able to get up and go further.
Woah, who knew that leaving the biggest country allianship in the world that offers and gives possitive merch and economic improvements would end up bad for the country that leave
Absolutely
You will never see this in the mainstream media. *"Reap what you sow"* couldn't sound more stronger.
But isn't this the christmas you voted for, turkey ??
The Brits wanted Brexit, now they have Brexit, so stop complaining about the fact that everybody is leaving…
To be clear not 'ALL' Brits wanted Brexit I notice this is forgotten by many non Brits.......
@@sifw5462 It's "forgotten" by a lot of British people too. It was about 23% of those eligible to vote that actually supported Brexit. Yes, it's a total failure of the pro-EU side or even those that just took the pragmatic view that the UK was better off in the EU that more couldn't be convinced to vote in the referendum but I actually blame those that couldn't be bothered to vote more than I blame those who voted for Brexit.
@@sifw5462 there are idiots in every country, and they love criticising eachother. I think brexit was a big mistake, and alot of people here in uk are ignorant, as its easier to process. I think theres also alot of foreigners that are hypocritical, as they seem to enjoy being ignorant in their generalization of english people. Brexit has given the idiots abroad another excuse to be xenophobic against english people.
Ignorant xenophobes vs ignorant xenophobes. A big reason why social media is a mess, is the same reason why brexit was a mistake. It gives ignorant people all over the world a strong say.
@@namesurname2958 Could not agree more well said!!!
@@leecooper8589 Sooooo true Lee totally agree with you but tired of non Brits stating 'The Brits wanted this'.... Which is a very ignorant comment to make not all of us wanted this etc, agree with all you said.
When I was little I remember seeing a TV report about the death of Kim Jong Il, the dictator of North Korea. There was footage from the state funeral, and I remember seeing crowds of men and women wailing and crying over his death. Even back then I knew that NK was a horrible place, and I wondered 'why are these people sad about the death of a guy who made their lives hell?'
What I learnt all the way back then from watching that is how incredibly malleable the human mind is. You really can convince people to love and support things that are objectively bad for them. People will mourn for a dictator who killed their family members. In this case, people will fiscally destroy their own country because the newspaper told them it was a patriotic thing to do. It's incredible, really. And terrifying.
I was in a NHC group that had the privilege to visit this car plant in Swindon in 2006. It was a great experience to be there and quite a shock when it closed. Few have benefited from Brexit.
I still haven't found a shop where I can spend all the sovereignty that I now have! What's the exchange rate these days?
You can only buy bendy bananas in the sovereignty shops.
It’s as valuable as a Zimbabwean dollar
Well, Currently still stronger than the Euro and Dollar soooo
It is truly mindboggling the thought process this people are going through.
I know a few English people who work(ed) for foreign or European companies and the same time voted to leave the EU.
I'm talking about people working for companies like Honda, Airbus, Nissan, Vauxhall, Bosch, HP, Xerox aso.
Well, the risk was calculated but they very bad in math....
You do have to wonder at the absolute stupidity of folk like that don’t you. As bad as the ex-pats in Spain who voted for it and are put out by the fact their comfortable life has changed and all because of that nasty Johnnie foreigner eu lot. This very attitude explains why this decision should never have been turned over to a referendum, some voters are just too stupid to be trusted.
No sympathy, no empathy for the people who voted against their own interest. Despite countless warnings…
"pRoJEct fEAr!!"
And it wasn't like the warnings were coming from a place of hate towards them... people actually cared about their wellbeing. I mean, I'm not even British, never been to Britain, but to me it seemed Brits were going in the direction we were moving away from, what my country was like after the fall of communism, corruption being everywhere and in everything. And I was like: "Guys! Don't go there! We've been there and it's not fun!" And some were civil, others not so much in their reactions. But ok, I mean, if they want to experience what life was like in the Balkans in the 1990s... ok... Let them learn what a "local baron" is. I feel sorry for those over 16m people who voted remain.
and even though Honda made the official statement that this was not brexit related lol cant go on making up stories to back up your pathetic salty agenda mate
The fact that ANY would still vote for Brexit says ugly things about the British media.
We told you this would happen, and you called us traitors for it. I have zero sympathy.
Honda didn't close due to brexit. Because you're pretty simple you've been easily brainwashed. Honda have plans to pull out of Europe entirely, focusing their attention on the US, Japan and Asia. The actual company claim the plants closure is due to a 'global restructuring', need to go electric and economic downturn.
You're being lied to, these people are liars.
All it takes...........is a bit if research, just a little, just a few minutes.
@@simonrodgers2375 Got a link, Mr Wonderful? Or are you one of these "go away and research until you agree with me" types?
@@Gav_80085 I can link, if links don't get automatically deleted. I'll do it, but you should really research it yourself.
If the link gets deleted, I'll post a quote form honda themselves.
@@Gav_80085 tried, comments get automatically deleted, but here's a quote from Honda themselves.
_'Katsushi Inoue, chief officer for European Regional Operations, Honda Motor Co., Ltd., and president, Honda Motor Europe, said; “In light of the unprecedented changes that are affecting our industry, it is vital that we accelerate our electrification strategy and restructure our global operations accordingly. '_
This quote is from the Honda website, the article itself goes into further detail concerning the industry and the 'global downturn'. Nobody is buying gas/petrol cars, that's why there's a push for electric cars.
Now that we've got that out of the way, I think it's a good time to tell you lol that you're being lied to. Rejoiniacs are building this entire fantasy world, where everything is the fault of Brexit. Honda, Nissan, food shortages and HGV drivers are factually not the fault of Brexit. - yet they're getting pushed as brexit issues..
*I'm not trying to convert you, or claiming that brexit has been a roaring success, because you and I both know that that's not true. But if you're hating brexit, hate it for facts and not the shit coughed up on RUclips or the tabloids.*
@@simonrodgers2375 I mean, European nations also went thru Covid, but aren't dealing with empty shelves...the difference is Brexit. If you're argument is that there has been ZERO negative consequences from Brexit, well you're more deluded than the people you think are deluded.
"Brexit is more important than Britain, it seems to me." Exactly right. Brexit has become entwined with the Conservative Party, and nothing is more important to many in the upper echelons of our media than the continued rule of Conservatives.
"Brexit is more important than Britain" - yep, that's about it.
No Britain will be like Singapore free and fast growing do you really wanna be part of German bureaucracy they took 20 years to build that one airport Europe is dying and the UK did the right thing
@@menassies3224 another dupe utterly divorced from facts and reality.
STILL waiting for the EU (or interchangeably with this guy, Europe) to collapse. Maybe next decade?
@@menassies3224 hahahaha. the delusion...
Dear@@Stevieboy130664
This decade. It is already imploding.
Kind regards
Baldmichael Theresoluteprotector'sson
@@baldmichaelresoluteprotect1206 evidence?
Shows the power and influence the media really has over people quite scary times 😔
Mean conservative media. Liberal media didnt tell you to do brexit.
I'm shedding no tears for anyone led by their fears to vote leave..get a different job
They won, they should get over it. Hmm, that sounds familiar for some reason.
They didn't like the way the face of the UK is changing,that's why I love Bob Dylan song,times are changing.
Not to worry. There's plenty of jobs ..... driving lorries, serving coffee, picking vegetables etc etc.... just not in Swindon.
We were a bridge into the rest of the EU for English speaking nations and for countries like Japan who saw us as stable, reliable and honest. We were one of the leading nations in a huge trading network with influence and authority. Now..... Overseas countries will never look at us again in that positive light. We have lost everything, and for what?
Sovrin
I am sorry to hear that you 'have lost everything'.
How long were you working for Honda? I would of hoped that most employees would of insulated themselves from this loss like the gentleman from Romania who feels his options are better in Romania.
@@jocelynstephens7058 Are you being sarcastic? Brexit means car workers cannot just go work for a car manufacturer in Europe. We've lost that opportunity as well.
@Colin Watters, They interviewed 4 or 5 people, only 2 had actually worked at Honda. Of those 2 one said they were leaving the U.K. to go and work in the EU.
Perhaps this 50% is not a good representation of ex Honda workers but don't expect unemployment to go up by 3.5k in Swindon.
For what? For rich people getting richer and not being subject to financial scrutiny. That is why brexit happened.
But your assessment is too optimistic. You forget to mention the end of the UK. England on its own will never again regain the position it had as the UK.
In the Netherlands one has to pass two exams (theory and practical) to acquire a drivers license yet no exam is required to vote...
Good a voting license is a terrible idea. If your issue is uneducated people then do a better job educating them.
Of course.
However, It does mean that the average IQ of the European union has gone up so it's not all bad.
@@fil9982 Well here in Ireland 15 and 16 year olds are fully vacinnated with a far superior mRNA vaccine than all the octagenarians in the UK (who really need it) with their far inferior Viral Vector vaccine. You are addressing the realities of six months ago.
@@fil9982 you do realise that Ireland is in the E U and quite happy to be in a union that we voted to join and not one forced on us Eirn go Bragh.
@@fil9982 I don't think UK is actually that far ahead on this. Don't misunderstand me on this, the roll out was good, but even Germany, which was struggling at first, caught up pretty well - thanks to their health system. And I want to be clear on this, UK health workers have done wonders here too, shame not many appreciate it in the high positions...
@@fil9982 this has been coined "what aboutism".
@@fil9982 suppose that's like saying Britain voted for brexit when Scotland and the North of Ireland didn't vote for it.
They wanted Brexit, they voted leave and they got Brexit, the real Brexit, not the dreamed one.
"We want our country back" that was the cry, well you got it back. Hotels, Pubs, and all other leisure industries are all struggling to find workers, farmers can't find workers to pick their crops.
Exactly, and the UK is still stuck with the same old problems of its own making which are nothing to do with the EU. A housing shortage, poor transport infrastructure, underfunded NHS and the highest level of income inequality in Europe. All they’ve done is add a labour shortage and higher costs to the economy.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 all of this plus the added bonus of re-acquiring our reputation as spiteful, racist, backward-looking little Englanders harping back to days of empire and Dunkirk spirit.
Yeah, its fucking great...now these vermin industries will have to end exploiting cheap labour and make proper jobs with proper pay...That's painful medicine could only be done by those who had the wisdom to vote for their country and vote to leave the dying EU.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 well the NHS is a bit more complicated. ever watched "ambulance UK" on the TV? since all health care in the UK is free, they call an ambulance for literally everything! even just a papercut! I'd advice to introduce a 50 pound fee for calling an ambulance. low enough that everybody can pay for it, but high enough that there still is a little bit of a barrier to entry, so you don't call for stupid stuff like a papercut or sore throat. So I think the NHS is more "overused" than "underfunded" to be honest...
@@remainertears Oh dear, ‘the dying EU’ has been peddled by the Daily Excess, the Daily Fail and the Torygraph for years and guess what, it isn’t happening. There is no appetite in any of the EU countries to follow the UK out, yes these rags will find a few people who do but they are outliers on the political bell curve. The UK is more likely to break up before the EU...though I can understand the desperation of the swivel eyed Brexit ultras who cling to the ‘schadenfreude’ that the EU is in trouble.
When I finally realised with the Brexit decision that British politics was based only on finding scapegoats to blame for British problems instead of actually understanding and solving the problems, I decided to become a German. I was hoping that with Britain being in the EU that we could learn from other countries about how to provide a better life for people in Britain, but Britain was never really 100% committed to the EU. The only country that didn't take on the Euro, never understood properly how the EU works and in the end blamed the EU for the problems in Britain such as immigration and the health service problems. I'm old enough to know how life was before we were in the EU and two of the key problems were always the state of the health service and immigration! German politics isn't perfect and life in Germany isn't perfect but it is definitely better and there is always a massive commitment from the politicians as well as the German people to provide a good living environment for everybody living in Germany.
there are other countries in EU that hasn't adopted euro yet and even one that has an opt-out identical as the UK had (Denmark) - EU is quite flexible towards its members :)
True Sir. I spent a week touring Germany in 2019 and I was simply Wowed by the way Germans live. I moved like a local to get actual German flavour and I wasn’t disappointed. The country is extremely disciplined and there is order everywhere. There is hardly anything ongoing unnecessarily in Germany. Life is easy and people aren’t in wild rush into anything. I found many people taking their children to playground after office hours. Mums taking their kids out to teach them cycling. Perfect work life balance, unthinkable in India.
I didn't check my statement about Britain being the only country not adopting the Euro but it doesn't get away from my point of Britain not commiting fully.
I hope we dont have to take you ! Pleas stay away .
It's just a shame that's all im staying. I was born and lived in Britain for 40 years and I still have family and friends there and I am concerned about their future. I only coincidently ended up living in Germany, I didn't choose it. The important point is why is Germany the biggest economy? Maybe other countries should invest some time understanding what Germany is doing that other countries are not doing as regards business development.
Brexit is a child of two traditional british national traits - great pride and utter ignorance.
Even today we hear brexiters carping on about their much-vaunted ''sovereignty''. But will sovereignty put food on the plates of these Honda workers? Will it provide them shelter? Will it keep them warm at night? Will it keep them safe and secure? And will it pay them a salary?
Sovereignty with brown sauce mmmmmmmmm
@@bh-zj4yt HP of course 🥴!
Yes but what Brexiteers steadfastly refused to accept, for even a single moment, was that we, like every other member nation of the EU, already had sovereignty. We were always a sovereign nation.
Like how they blame the EU for the vaccine rollout across Europe when, in fact, each member nation could have done exactly what the UK chose to do while STILL (at the time) an EU member nation, and that was to procure vaccines independently.
The Brexit vote was always entirely an emotional vote, driven by Farage et al goading and poking fears. And they had the audacity to claim the Remain camp warnings were based on nothing but "project fear"!
Imagine a surgeon, with scalpel in hand, reassuring patients that they didn't bother with medical school because "I've done my own research"!
@@sirmeowthelibrarycat HP British brown sauce made in the Netherlands
The hilarious funny thing is, the UK actually lost sovereignty due to Brexit. Because sovereignty without power means jack shit, and the Brits pissed away a lot of power on the global scale.
Membership in the EU allowed the UK to punch way above its weight.
And right now, the Tories are so desperate for trade deals, they are most probably throwing away sovereignty hand over fist. But since the details of trade deals are secrets for now, we'll only know about that in a few years time.
The metaphor "turkeys voting for Christmas" can from now on be replaced with "Honda-workers voting for brexit".
What Bollocks.
If you bothered to do the tiniest bit of research, you'd know Honda have said this is nothing to do with Brexit. They are moving out of Europe altogether in favour of Asia and the USA. There are plenty of articles explaining this.
So on the same day Honda closed their factory in Turkey, was that because of Brexit also?
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 So, the fact that Honda warned repeatedly before the referendum that if we did a brexit that they would have to reconsider the value of remaining in Britain is something you prefer to pretend didn't happen then? Of course it is to do with brexit. Wilful ignorance to pretend otherwise. But then you brexiters always preferred to believe the sweet, sweet lies. Of course the Tories love you. For sure they'll still respect you in the morning......
@@jocelynstephens7058 Possibly so, yes, you see Turkey is also outside the EU.....
@@tonyb9735 And then they didn't move the factory.
Until after Covid happened.
And now they're moving their factory to Asia, not Europe.
Strange move if this is about Brexit.
Over to you...
Having worked for MG Rover for many years and alongside Honda engineers building Honda cars myself along the Rover production lines, I feel this loss very deeply. Honda was cut out of buying MG Rover by British Aerospace and now they have been shafted by Brexit. I feel for every single Honda Employee and I also feel that Honda has always done its best in whatever endeavour it's entered into. I guess, at least they had notice and time to take in the shock. We had no notice at MG Rover and 100 years of making cars at Longridge has become Shops and houses. Ridding Britain of manufacturing just makes us weaker and weaker. The only people to blame are the ruling elite who are making money from this pain. They then walk off smiling and drinking champagne with their super-rich tax-avoiding friends.
How thinking leaving a massive market of consumers that allowed you to import and export freely and freely Travel was a good thing. . . i will never understand.
I've lost two best friends to Brexit. I'm not/wasn't allowed to talk about it. They say, wait five years to see the benefits.
Rees-Mogg has predicted fifty years before you feel any benefit!!!
Probably telling the truth for once!
I remember when Boris stated: “f-cuk business!” And all the leavers thought he was funny.
Don’t worry Swindon, brexit will feed you keep you warm, you must believe, don’t give into project fear!
Who wants welfare dude, it’s jobs and self worth is what people need
@@Shane-zx4ps I think he was being ironic !
@@juliaclarke5097 sorry, my bad.
The media forget to report on Ford Motor Company being shut down in 2013. I,300 jobs lost. The E.U gave Fords 80 million to move to Turkey. We nearly lost our house and now have to work 7 days a week. I voted to Leave and would rather put a hole in my head than vote Remain.
@@chickedee1085 I'm not quite sure how that makes sense, the EU giving ford motors £80million to move to a non EU state, if it was an EU state I could understand, will read up more on this but I suspect it was more to do with ford motor cutting costs (that period of time ford motor world wide they were going on a cost cutting exercise, I don't thi k the EU had anything to do with it)
…. A bit late…. There won’t be another opportunity before a generation. Do your homework before you vote next time and enjoy! You won, get over it!
I like the part where you think the uk will be allowed in again. The french were right trying to deny you entry into europe. I am extreemly confident that their won't be much animo to allow uk back in if they ever want to. Uk has proven to be unreasonable, not true to word, and certainly an undesirable influence in the future of europe. Gl rejoining.
@@bram9219 I’m half-French, so I am fully aware of de Gaulle refusing entry, and maybe he was right. The UK would need many acts of contrition before that. In any case, if that should happen, the UK (or whatever part of it, apart from NI and Scotland) will never ever have the same advantages or status as before. It’s over. Time to know our place.
It seems like people that work in a plant that absolutely relies on just-in-time would have figured out it out.
They swallowed the Brexit lies, hook, line and sinker. "Nothing will change, we'll get all the benefits when we're out, because we hold all the cards and they need us more then we need them."
They believed that. The same way they believed that ending FoM wouldn't apply to them, only to foreigners.
Someone who is a little bit dumb and high on british exceptionalism, national pride and xenophobia is an easy targets.
Most of these people voted out of bigotry and a desire to see the Empire again.
Welcome to the Brexit Sir !
Not only have these people lost their jobs, they have lost a good deal of the value of their homes. This reminds me of what happened in Scotland during the Thatcher years.
40 years of rolling back the state, letting the rich remove themselves from having to pay tax by basing themselves in one of Britain's 8 tax havens, treading down the poor and those privatisations, are all together the very reason why young people cannot afford to buy their own homes - nothing else, just right wing takeover of the far fairer society we had since the war, and before Thatcher.
Everything was handed to the already wealthy, and no crumbs fell for us!
What are you injecting, House prices are at record highs.
My property price is excellent. Even my car’s gone up in value. And a 2% pay rise at work tomorrow 😁
Speak for yourself pal, not the rest of us.
@@RM-vv9eh This article is about people who lost their jobs from the closing of the Honda plant, that is obviously not you. I don’t live in this area and I’m retired. This doesn’t effect me directly although I sympathize with those who have lost their jobs. Obviously you do not.
@@gcprost if you read the title of the video, it cites Brexit as the reason for the plant’s closure.
When even Honda themselves have said Brexit has no part in it. They’re quoted as saying the 2017 zero tariff EU-Japan deal was the reason. They no longer need to build in Europe, or the UK.
I’m in the same industry as these lads. The guy with 35 years service, will have a £1M pot and could have gone at 55. But he’s hung on for the £160k CR package. He could burn his house down and buy nextdoor’s for cash.
The Romanian lad on the agency… I started on it myself. The big clue is ‘Temporary contract’ in bold writing at the top of the paper.
House prices may take the slightest of slumps. But looking at current prices, you’d just get out of towner’s moving in and pushing prices back up.
The old Longbridge plant closed up here with almost 10k jobs. Do you think we all managed to buy houses in South Brum at bargain prices ? It just don’t happen pal.
Brexit will have and does have it’s bad points… but Honda Swindon isn’t one you can pin on it. Sorry.
What the hell did they expect 🙄. They were warned and they screamed project fear.