I want it NOW! This doesn't even have a downside, because with the amount of room we will save, anyone who desires to farm outside for philosophical reasons can continue to do so, at scales not currently possible!
Is there any calculations available for the carbon emissions saved through local growing instead of freezing and shipping these crops? I imagine the environmental impact on the reduction of shipping could be as substantial as the land saved
@@cob571 Philosophical reasons? At first, I thought "yay!" I envisioned good, clean, heritage/heirloom seeds that are fertile, no chemical- based fertilizers & pesticides, companion-planting, organic, permaculture kinda sunshiny thing. 🦄- My philosophy, and perhaps yours, I don't know. BUT then, a certain someone came to mind. He recently bought a shitload of farmland. He has an obsession with golden rice, of all things; actually, he is rumored to have quite a few obsessions. Personally, from what I know of him, I share his philosophies like I share his tax bracket. Oh wait! That's a whole OTHER story, but I digress- Perhaps he wants to be numero uno in that Rat Race world he takes a profound part in; a world where "agriculture" has taken on a whole new meaning, and its production based on commerce, marketing, wealth, and greed, rather than it's True purpose of being food? Food that must give us health rather than make us dis-eased. (I won't even touch upon the animal bits in this fiasco.) And, I won't tell you his name, but it rhymes with kill hates.🙊I thank you for the first image that came to mind, though.🌻💜 In answer to the original question, I suppose it's good to have this vertical garden idea as one of the "Plan B"s, so to speak. In any case, I found the whole video to be dope A.F. Please Take care. And thanks for getting me started 😉😆🐣🌱
Coming from a local farming community, I can see that if this is done right, it can be used to help and enhance local traditional farms and farmers. The two can coexist without being at odds.
People can say whatever they want about potheads, but we gotta admit they have always been inventive, they think outside the box more easily than most people!
Ikr? I keep seeing randos here saying, "but, you cant grow this or that indoors!", to which I ask, "Why not?" Terracing exists, as does interplanting different species of different heights, and dwarf varieties of trees, done by grafting, then using espalier to spread them flat, would be easy. Some people just have no imagination, and want to crap on things they can't imagine, as if, since they can't, nobody can. 🙄
I wouldn't be surprised if farmers have thought about it since the industrial revolution, and that's just building one. Someone definitely dreamed of this way before then
@@MrX-tm8fy Restrictive laws and societal norms have forced the weed industry to evolve and get more efficient. It’s kinda crazy how advanced some of these farms are for a recreational plant, down to the desired trichomes and chemical map of the weed. If anything the weed industry has made it easier to engineer plants, even if it was inadvertent. I still don’t see why it’s looked at so negatively given the benefits
I am here in Japan developing a team to begin a hydroponics setup small at first doing a lot of experimenting to determine what type of system will work best. This is probably one of the most insightful discussions I have seen on this entire discourse on the future of agriculture and food production.
Hello, I am currently living in Tokyo and am very intereseted in agriculture, especially when combined with modern technology. Would definitely love to connect and discuss about this stuff more.
Hello @hydrogreen. I thought of starting a hydroponics business in small scale. I want to know how things work. Is it possible to connect with you in this regard?. Please do reply.
I have 8 years of plant science schooling and I always look at Correlated Color Temperature (CCT) and Color Rendering Index (CRI) info this should be on the products labels. Natural light has a CCT rating of 6500K, so a light bulb with a rating near 6500K is ideal for grow lights.CRI is used to evaluate how well the light compares to visible sunlight. The maximum CRI rating of 100 corresponds to the natural light from sunlight. Good full-spectrum lights for indoor gardening have a CRI rating above 85, but the closer to 100, the better. @@UsernameCantGetMuchLongerCanIt
I feel like I may have found my new calling. It always has been nature, which is why I studied marine biology, but life is hard for me as a 31 year old adult diagnosed with ADHD. Employment is a constant struggle and I never seem to last longer than 3-6 months, my record being 1 year. I have started homesteading, being more self sufficient, using my strengths of hyperfocus and knowledge as a scientist to start small experiments with agriculture. In this past month, I made an indoor nursery (planning on making a high pressure aeroponic system for under 100€ soon), a 1000+ litre compost pile (will give hot water), bought 6 quail (incubating my first egg after only 1 week of having them), set up a small worm compost farm, bought over 50 vegetable + fruit seed packets (of which I've planted 10-20%). While my contributions to the scientific community have been negligible, I hope that by doing independent studies I might be inspired to change that.
@@yourday1363 it's been on my mind for a while. I just didn't think people would care to watch it. Even though it is only 2 people, I guess I'm more motivated now after reading your comments. As for an update, 4 of the quail I hatched made it to adulthood and started laying eggs, but I encountered some hurdles with the fogponics. Keeping the pH steady in summer weather required a bigger budget than I had. And keeping the compost healthy was requiring too much water (will try again in winter).
@@piposanchez hey man, usually it’s not only your subscribers watching, let’s hope the algorithm pushes your videos out to people if and when you start uploading, I’m sure you’ll grow fast and hey if it becomes monetizable, you can use the money to fund ur hobbies, again dude I’m happy for you getting this far, keep it up
@@yourday1363 I find it pretty crazy how a stranger's word from across the world can kickstart something potentially huge. I haven't found the support elsewhere from friends or family, being mostly met with worry, scepticism, criticism and doubt. My grandmother left me 10 hectares of land in the south of Chile. It's beautiful but quite remote. If the RUclips thing goes well, the next step could be scaling up massively. 15 years ago I got my grandmother on board to plant hundreds of thousands of trees there as a long term sustainable project. The government even subsidised part of it, but it didn't do as well since it wasn't protected from pests (rabbits). Other than that, the land has only made use of it with small projects, and there's so much potential... Sorry for the rant, but thanks again for your comment!
What I was curious about throughout the video was not if the produce tasted or looked better than normal, but if it managed to remain nutritious. I kinda find it weird that they didn't mention anything about the nutritional value, since that is the most important aspect of food🤔
They would likely have higher nutrient value as there is a more controlled production of the plant. Can give it all the cofactors and proteins the plants need much easier.
I love the concept, but I would like to see detailed data on energy consumption of these operations. It is rare I hear a tech story that actually gives me a sliver of hope about the future, so rare that my instinct is to put it in the "if it sounds too good to be true..." category.
Exactly. Vertical rotatary belt greenhouse anyone? Our gov invested in it, and I saw that greenhouse abandoned in the rural area. Millions taxpayer money wasted. The vid claim this can be done anywhere. Except they don't emphasize on the infrastructure need for electricity. I want to see how much green electricity they can produce off a big store warehouse land area for their 700 acres indoor farming 🙄. How much of the energy needed is supplemented by the usual power grid. Westerners are very good at marketing and making awesome videos, even if the products aint that feasible.
@@Khristos13 well I do not now the numbers. But I think you would safe a lot of recources by not having to transport the food across the world. in more dense countries a lot of space becomes a viable for nature and housing. Probably huge water savings to. Energy will probably be the big problem. The quastion is how big a problem and what are alternative wich are more energy friendly
There will always be kinks in new innovative ideas. I believe farming this way will do way more help than harm by saving habitats, water, transportation costs and pollution. But I think energy consumption is one of the only problems with this system, so I think the real question is how can we limit the energy consumption of these facilities to a level that makes it a viable strategy for the whole world. If we have the technology to put a man on the moon I think we can easily solve the energy consumption problems with this system. I would say hold your tongue and don’t write it off as a bad idea with good intentions, there are large opportunities for vertical aeroponic farming to become the industry standard if your willing to be patient and maybe do your own research into how to make this work.
The energy requirements of vertical farming lead to significant land use to provide the energy. For every acre of crops grown via vertical farming, 5.4 acres of solar panels would be required to supply the energy via solar power.Thus in practice, vertical farming may require more land than traditional farming, not less Louis Albright, a professor in biological and environmental engineering at Cornell stated that a loaf of bread that was made from wheat grown in a vertical farm would cost US$27.However, according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average loaf of bread cost US$1.296 in September 2019, clearly showing how crops grown in vertical farms will be noncompetitive compared to crops grown in traditional outdoor farms According to a report in The Financial Times as of 2020, most vertical farming companies have been unprofitable. Vertical farms must overcome the financial challenge of large startup costs. The initial building costs could exceed $100 million for a 60 hectare vertical farm.Urban occupancy costs can be high, resulting in much higher startup costs - and a longer break even time - than for a traditional farm in rural areas. In Victoria, Australia, a "hypothetical 10 level vertical farm" would cost over 850 times more per square meter of arable land than a traditional farm in rural Victoria
you need to account to total cost of energy and resource not just one thing. energy, water use, space efficiencies, transportation is reduced saving on energy (trucks, ships).
Sometimes I wonder what the world would have looked like without innovations like this😊, my advice for everyone, both in the agricultural industry and elsewhere, is to evolve with the world in others so as not to to be left behind
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As long as the innovation doesn’t affect my health I’m in. Some innovations do affect your health. This one seems pretty good for me to do indoor growing.
I love that. My brush with that sort of thing was discovering one of my FaceBook friends from New Zealand was friends with, and had had dinner with, one of my favourite PBS3 chefs, who does her show from down there.
Verticle farming is something I've followed since I used to advise people on their pot grows 20 years ago, this is a game changer. Especially if you can pair some other things like aquaponics, mushroom growing, and find a way to still get animal based proteins farmed outside like free range chickens for a portion of meals a week. But like you said the biggest issue is current diet trends, and people don't like change...
I’ve seen some neat mushroom farms using coffee grounds. I have also heard of growing meat portions from single tissue samples. All very sci-fi, but very interesting. At the end of the day, like you said, it comes down to people and their habits. Without massive advertising campaigns and better information, people will not heed the benefits of new things like vertical farming and healthier diets.
@@amyvoegerl6349 I think vertical farming is much easier to spread, it takes way less water so it's ideal for the west. The key is putting as many different crops and potential industries under their roofs as possible. If you can find secondary industries, like recycling, power storage/production, habitation, bugs/fish, or whatever the total costs get offset with profits. The lab grown meat is going to take free samples like Costco does, gonna have to get people to try it and see it's good. The benefit is possibly that you can grow it faster and possibly cheaper than a full chicken that needs room and food/water to grow for months.
This seems like a good idea, I would really like it to work. Something that worries me from an environmental perspective is how much electricity these farms will require, and whether those demands allow this to be part of a sustainable future
there are ways to reduce the amount of energy if you´re getting creative...for example in my (cold climate!) city there´s a huge greenhouse on the roof of a bakery, using the excess heat from the ovens to heat the greenhouse which would just be wasted otherwise. other projects use the (co2-rich!) stale air from office buildings with ventilation systems as natural growth booster
Especially when year round. They require constant electricity which means during say a power shortage or outage they may rely on generators that burn fossil fuels. A lot of areas have generators like this in case of power shortsge and it can mean sustainability based on electricity is hard to calculate unless more power is renewable.
“By 2050, there will be gene-edited crops, and it will trigger a much wider variety of crops being grown,” says Norman. This new technology allows scientists to precisely edit genes in DNA with the goal of creating a better crop variety. using google search
@@CheeseMiser There are real concerns against GMO's: remember Monsanto and their dirty glyfosate GMO crops, what about the IP rights on common heritage ? This kind of hyperspecialisation will make farmers even more dependent on and ultimately reduce the gene pool of our horticulture crops. Just like with the seed companies now. Because nobody has to gather, select and store seeds anymore there is a great reduction of genetic diversity among common agriculture crops. We are losing the cultivars/heirlooms/landraces our grandparents ate and with it the rich library of genes from which we ultimately create new plants (GMO or conventional crossbreeding).
One problem that's not mentioned in the video, is that there are a lot of crops and produce that are just not feasible to grow indoors and/or vertically. Growing most trees, and grains are just efficient enough. Great technology however, I hope it will be able to come down in price and availability.
growing crops like corn, barley, wheat also fruiting trees and shrubs etc. doesn't make sense because they take a longer period to yield and more space so growing them would increase the cost in indoor conditions. only good for greens, veggies and long vine based vegetables.
I like that you have actually mentioned the effect it will have on farmers and the agricultural community. I think it will be important not to forget them as we move to a more eco friendly farming technique. These farmers have made it their life to try to provide for us, some have barely been making ends meet, so as a community we need to recognize this as we move forward. In reality I’m will change the careers of many. We will not need as many truck drivers either. We would need to ensure they can transfer into other job specialities. I really think this is great!
In my personal opinion we should build these vertical farms in places that traditional farming isn’t possible so that we can make sure we have a sustainable food production before we make the full transition. Another idea would be to either stack them higher, or maybe even put “forests” on the rooftops of these building or solar panels. Solar panels do release a lot of carbon dioxide to build, but if we offset some of that with lush Forrest’s and cleaning ocean coral reefs and such, we could technically survive on solar, (storing electricity for emergency as well) there are so many ways to innovate the technology that already exists today.
@@ttt5020 yeah "let's not go more environmentally friendly because people might lose jobs" Traduon) traditional farming just isn't sustainable to feed the whole world anymore
This is amazing on so many levels! Thanks for posting this. My biggest issue right now is the immediate and sometimes ravenous "skeptism" surround any new "green technology". While concern is always legitimate the narrative that always bothers me the most is the idea that it will completely replace systems we us now seemingly overnight. Progress is NOT a zero sum game, these techniques can (and hopefully will) be used in conjunction of ones we already use now, so panic surrounding the industries we have now need not always worry. Also this "green technique" can also be used with other "green techniques" to make a better running system like using vertical farming in arid areas used for solar energy acquisition. The main thing we should ALL agree on is that humanity as a whole no longer has the luxury of being so wasteful and it will take unilateral collaboration to really move forward, survive, and thrive in the near and increasingly uncertain future. Thanks again.
Nature is amazing on so many levels! A fined tuned organism billions of years in the perfecting... Deciding to sidestep nature and grow populations artificially, without constraints of "then environment" is not just foolish. Its evil.
@@odinata Would u mind elaborating on exactly how it’s “evil”? U see, it’s so far from even potentially “evil” assuming the technology and methodology is democratized. To me being smarter about how we do things to enable us doing them better to…u know…stop the planet from being destroyed due to true evil, greed that’s causing the accelerating climate change catastrophe we’re barreling towards is the opposite of evil. Unless you’re representing big business and thus sees emerging green technologies as a threat to your bottom line I can’t fathom a logical reason why you’d make such a bizarre assertion. So I would genuinely appreciate if you would be so kind as to enlighten me by elaborating on why it’s “evil”. Thank you thank you, with peace and love! ✌️
Just remember to do 10th man thinking about it. because it will break at time so thn what ? but the concept and longterm use is something i am possitive about i just want to dull the hype some people get from new stuff.
I came across the concept of vertical farming just a few weeks ago. I'm so excited by it and the possibilities it opens up. Could this be the start of another agricultural revolution? I do hope so. Micro-urban farms in every major city. What a wonderful concept both for the human race and, perhaps more importantly, for our planet as a whole.
I dream of a program that can take in thousands of variables and suggest new food recipes. Variables like existing recipes, climate they were created in, what region of the world that recipe is popular in etc. Edit: Amazing video Freethink! I love the direction technology and AI is taking us in
@@lcarthel I mean, the IA part is optional, since it would be for better customized recipe suggestions, and could be well enough replaced by an algorithm. The project should be easy to separate into 3 parts: the recipe database, the recommendation system and the user interface.
I don't think you have much cooking experience sir. You can't come up with new recipes with an AI program. Successful recipes depend upon instinct and experience, not on the manipulation of data. You are not constructing a car. You are creating something that is very subjective. Its a good idea in theory only. Good luck.
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This has such great potential! The two areas I would love to see considered are 1. the benefits of real sunlight over LED, maybe solar lights or solar sessions, which are not as controllable as LED, but you just can't beat the synergy of nature, of which we are only beginning to understand; and 2. the absence of vital microbiome that exists in outdoor grown crops. The food borne illness causing bacteria are such a small portion of the bacteria that are on crops in their natural environment and are vital to human health. I appreciate the impact not having to wash the crops has on resources, but I would love to see the important bacteria, yeast, and other microbes being considered.
Just the latest hype/fad for the ignorant media to tout. Remember all the hype about flying cars decades ago? There are still millions of cars on the street.
I did at least 6 projects on this topic in undergrad and masters........At least as of Winter of 2021, the cost side isn't low enough. The only way this works is at whole foods+++ prices. It comes down to the simple math of what's cheaper: the sun + crop yields vs the cost of electricity - efficiency gains with 24/hr growing
This is actually so amazing! Watched cowspiracy in class and I realized how ridiculously large the amount of land and habitats we destroy for agriculture. I also wonder how much this vertical farming costs to do. Because sad as it is, people and businesses are all about profit. If it's too expensive to switch from horizontal to vertical, some powerful people might not want to support it. We have to change society's priorities
@Dennis Hartmann I was a big meat eater all my life but I’ve realised how bad it is for the world and I want a good future or at least a future which isn’t world case environmental scenario. So if people like me are switching from meat, the world is starting to awaken, slowly but it is. Just think at how big the plant based produce and plant protein section has grown in supermarkets over the last 10 years.
Wow, just saw this... so you people are going to hate on the farmers who has been feeding you all these years because some people found a new way to plant massive food indoors?
I’ve literally felt this is the solution to our most immediate and largest existential threat for so many years. Like so many things, we have the solutions. We just need to use it.
I think we need to accept climate change is going to happen. Move off fossil fuels when we can yes, but no talk of Malthusian return to the stone age. If some land is going to be too hot to grow crops, work out where else to farm.
@@oliverford5367 I think we need to focus a more on preserving, protecting, and restoring natural ecosystems.Yes, climate change will do its damage, but we also are destroying ecosystems and converting large portions of it to monoculture. Probably even 15% of all the land and water we impact with our various forms of agriculture, if protected, will do the world enormous good!
@@eneveasi I said that in quite a "loosened up" way. The internet is all about terseness, not verbosity, so it's weird to use extra, redundant words when the same could be said in fewer.
My wife doesn't know it but I have been looking at hydroponics and considering it fairly heavily when I get my own home. I have already grown peas that were delicious in 5 gallon buckets outside but there were bugs in it at the end of the season. Lettuce, peas and strawberries are what I am looking at starting with.
You don't really need to get into hydroponics. I mean, if that's your thing, just go for it. But having bugs at the end of the season is pretty normal, specially in those plants that you don't harvest as a whole. Lettuce and strawberries are super easy to grow in containers, just give it a try!
flavor, looks, and yield is all well and good but what about nutrition? do these indoor grown plants have similar to better nutrient profiles as compared to more natural ones?
Be able to grow and have our own basic food needs.. like before industrialization.. beinh responsible for ourselves in that way would be such a healthy step for all of us.! 💗🙏🌎
At the very end of the video he says, “we can give back the mid-west to the Buffalo.” Then there was an image of a Buffalo (not a North American Bison) which didn’t make sense. The Buffalo on the screen only lives in Asia and parts of Eastern Europe, not the mid-west
This is the future of large scale agriculutral production. I love everything about it. Thanks for sharing the video. Your production quality is top notch!
This is not the wonder everyone thinks. It is great to help us with resilience with our food systems and it is important that we have these alternatives but: 1. Disease. You have a ton of plants in a tiny area with a shared ventilation system. Disease will spread easily and I can't imagine the antifungal sprays and what not that's needed. 2. Biodiversity, what about fertilisation, pollinisation? The wildlife that relies on some of the biproducts from our food systems? 3. Energy use. We have light outside for free, why are we burning more fossil fuels to grow plants under these growlights? 4. Water usage is bad in water stressed regions of the world like california, India or China. These solutions may work wonders there, but it's kind of useless in a place like Kenya 5. We are taking food growth away from smallholder farmers who have been the backbone of our world cultures and putting it in the hands of yet another business. We need these systems but it needs to augmented with local permaculture growth
This is so awesome.. looking forward to watch much more this kind of content.. more ever God bless these kind of people who are actually doing something to make this world a better place, wish our politicians could learn a thing or two.
It's a propaganda for the great reset from WEF. Not just energy consumption that they're not mention. But everything to make those chemical for plant nutrition or engine production for tool/equiptments. All of them need to mine and factory from the nature.
We need to consider the importance of the microbiome and mycelium for nutrient uptake when making vertical growing solutions. I like the idea of a pristine garden space with incredibly rich soil, some terra preta type stuff, where the water that grows our food gets to flow naturally as a stream through a mineral rich environment. Just a 60wx40lx30h foot room with a tree and a stream.
Thank you for sharing! I’d encourage anyone who sees this comment to search for more videos on the topic of vertical farming because there’s lots of great info out there!
What’s the energy consumption of a place like this? They didn’t really touch on it. I’m sure it’s high but can’t be too horrible right? No sarcasm, genuinely curious
@@mattwilson5383 thats probably the highest expense they incur aside from the cost of outfitting the building or actually building a location solely gor this purpose.
No discussion of how widespread adoption of indoor growing would compromise an already struggling power grid and what the environmental effects of increased power generation would be.
@@mikaelarule One of the major reasons given for this type of cultivation is saving space. If you then have to cover the landscape in acres and acres of solar panels, what have you gained? The answer is Nuclear.
@@Buddhamaniac Right. I guess if you really had efficient, cheap power storage & transportation, it might be worthwile to plaster the deserts with solar and the oceans with wind farms, and deliver it to local farms in areas where most people actually want to live? Nuclear fission is certainly preferable to further digging us into our climate hellhole with fossil fuels, but I hope it will be practised in a way where we don't bury tons of fissile plutonium while digging up new uranium instead of closing the fuel cycle, keep shoving waste around on trains between "temporary storage" until eventually ending up at sites picked for political irrelevance instead of geological suitability, and also keep the door open for arms proliferation - i.e. pretty different from how it's generally actually done now, AFAIU... :\ Anyway, from an #aesthetic standpoint, I'd love to have my bioreactor-grown spirulina slurry with a couple of perfect vertically-farmed strawberries, all powered by fusion power plants - I heard those are only 20 years away! :^)
@@vonbrendt01 Their tech is amazing & I'm excited someone is developing it, but sadly the key ingredient to "making it work" on a large scale would be a *carbon-neutral power economy without fossil fuels.* Without that, large-scale vertical farming would be terrible regarding CO2 emissions, AFAICT. I doubt the gains from shorter transportation and one-off gains from reforestation (or, let's be real, slower deforestation) come anywhere near offsetting the inefficiency of photovoltaics + LEDs + heating + infrastructure + ...
Believe it or not, the idea is actually over 100 years old! But new breakthroughs in technology - from robotics to lighting to software - are just now making it feasible and efficient, and there's a lot of room to go. Often these breakthroughs are really the culmination of a lot of different advances and projects around the world and people building on the knowledge and tools available. The Netherlands has been a big leader in the field and actually the #2 exporter of food in the world thanks to their technology - we toured some of their facilities two years ago. ruclips.net/video/KfB2sx9uCkI/видео.html
Is there any insight you can provide on the environmental impact that a facility like this has due to the temperature control systems? Heating and cooling can put some horribly bad things into the environment.
So, my one concern would be that plants are meant to grow in soil with beneficial bacteria and fungi that the plant has a symbiotic relationship with, where the plant feeds them carbs and they deliver minerals the plants need, basically on demand . So I fail to see how the vertical farm will do that as effectively as a well managed no till market garden/regenerative small scale farm. BUT BIG AG that is owned by the pharmaceutical companies kills all the soil microbes, so its not like the majority of the farmland does this anyway. And people would rather buy consumer junk from overseas than pay slightly more for regenerative farm food, so they need these vertical farms to feed their consumerism.
Vertical farm use water with a nutrient solution to feed the plants. Everything the plants needs can be found in the water. The reason why plants need fungi and all that stuff is because it’s hard to find in the soil where nutrient doesn’t constantly flow around. Some beneficial bacteria is present in the water to. The fact is that the plants grown in vertical farms grow much faster and a failed harvest is eliminated. It’s saves a huge amount of land. Growing food in the traditional why or in a regenerative way is not way to go with the population we have.
@@KM-qk1oz There are research farms growing grains indoors. They can outperform yields similar to hydro or aeroponic grows like you're seeing in this video. The issue is the cost of energy. Most of the crops you're seeing (strawberry being the exception) are less sugar dense and require less light. There's certainly a tipping point in the future, but if it was here, it would be happening already.
I imagine every home having a large refrigerator sized, automated indoor vertical farm atrium and every restaurant, school, grocery store, etc having a storage container based , automated vertical farm too.
This is all really fantastic work and I'm glad I get to love to see it. However, I do have one question. In nature, when a plant is growing it forms a relationship with a mycorrhizal network of mushrooms, helpful bacteria, and protozoa. This has two effects, it increases the overall fertility of the soil by allowing nutrients to be shared between plants in the network but more importantly with mushrooms and single-celled organisms. The mushrooms and microorganisms, being as unique as they are, produce incredibly useful biological molecules that act as medicines in our gut and cause the cell walls to become less porous, disallowing viruses and potentially cancer-causing bacteria to settle there. My question is this: because they're not being planted in soil and thus not having access to a variety of mycorrhizal and microorganism networks, do the plants contain or is there a way to allow then to contain the same molecules one would find in a typical soil-grown organic food crop?
these farms can be aquaponic or soil, nutrients can be added to the water and we can eat mushrooms and grow mushrooms the same way, most mushrooms farms already work like this, in an sterile environment and in stacks, so i think everything will work out in the end
@kenny santiago these mycorrhizal networks of mushrooms and other helpful bacteria only take place in biodiverse areas such as forests, not in monoculture farms, where they would have little to no effect on the crops growing.
Seeing this in action everyday has been an incredible experience. The farm in Compton, CA., was built from the ground up. I have been there to see every step of the way.
I love the idea of vertical farming and have been dreaming of it since I first heard it mentioned in some computer games over 10 yrs ago. But what makes me a little nervous is when he mentions that there is no bird-poop or insects; that we will become allergic to even more things in the future. Just like we've increasingly become since our homes have become more or less sterile.
Expanding farms vertically makes sense , wish the video delved more into the scalability of this, construction and operating costs and output of the current designs. I believe this approach to farming is a matter of when instead of if, but more in depth analysis would've been helpful to understand how soon this is achievable.
What interests me the most is the ability to tune the characteristics of the plants just by changing the light! In addition to varietals we could have subvarietals or personalized varietals
So, changing our whole food production system, saving forests and natural habitats, saving water and reducing carbon emissions is secondary to you. But you want to have a crunchier kale, right?
@@lpnmr1513 Sorry, I should have clarified to avoid offending you, what I should have said is "What interests me the most ABOUT THIS TECHNIQUE AS COMPARED TO OTHER VERTICAL FARMING SYSTEMS..." I hope you can sleep better now knowing you were right. Except about the kale part. I don't eat kale. Maybe I would if it were crunchier? Do you think maybe making healthy, sustainable food more palatable to more people would promote people to eat more of those foods and less beef? Could that not PERHAPS contribute positively to all the goals you stated? Or did you just want to use the planet as a way to score a moral victory in your own mind?
While at first it sounds like great idea, when you think more about it there is question: how much electricity it needs? The problem is that most of eletricity is not from a clean source (in my country coal is still most popular :/), but gradual cjange seems to be good idea. Also: I do think we should left some of the current system agroculture/farms
This is what I’ve been talking about for ages. One of these every 5 city blocks. At the end of the day people pick up the produce they’re gonna eat (free of charge), cook it, and then eat communally with their neighbors on former streets now filled with lush green grass, fitted with long tables and benches where everyone can eat and enjoy each other’s company and actually get to know each other.
we have the resources to feed everyone on earth sustainably, and it's possible to achieve that if you overthrow the system that keeps that from happening
@@heaventohades lol, you mean every world leader in nations who need it most? If aid, food, money for infrastructure etc get sent. Id say most of it wont end up in the peoples hands. Just the rich/ ruling class.
@@charleskavoukjian3441 the people who own everything (food corporations, water companies, energy, microchips) get all the wealth because they "own" the very materials that let us produce all Necessities like factories, mines for raw metals, and their employees' time on earth. This fact + their lobbying (bribing) the government so that we constantly Need to keep paying them for essentials instead of being self sufficient means that we can never stop paying them for the advantage that they have over us. they exploit this and shape things so that we are wholly dependent on consumerism to go about our day to day, which is seen in day to day minutiae like infrastructure built for cars rather than people, medicine that literally keeps you from dying costing a week's paycheck, making it illegal to plant a free community garden... you know. being rich isn't the whole story behind why the ruling class is a parasitic type of animal, it's the fact that they are rich Because they make passive income by Owning things while we Work both to make And buy the product that they're making money off of all while napping on their yacht. the government will always bend to their will because government is only a technical power which is only Secondary because it will always be controlled by the Primary power of any nation is Whoever Owns the Nation's Necessities. the biggest army in the world would be useless if you can't feed, them after all. whats my point with this? the rich/ruling class do exist, and they exist because they have spent centuries shaping things in a way where society is used to them being a component of life. this is the "system" im talking about overthrowing. how is that supposed to happen? the same way the US started. 💥💥💥
First of all, I could make a 20 minute video talking about this topic, but for now I'm just gonna say one thought I had. I don't think farmers would lose their identity. I would imagine that genuine farming would actually be a marketable thing for people in a world that has had their agriculture automated. For the same reason we like all hand-made things, that human connection. Again, there's a lot more to say about this, but that's for another time.
You won't see these types of vertical farm all over the world and replacing traditional land base agriculture bcz they are very expensive to build and they have limitations to grow other variety of crops. For eg we human not only eat kale or leaf Veges only this is very small part of our diet. All human on planet eat grains like wheat, rice, corns, and pulses etc and it is very hard to grow them in these types of modern farm and if we grow them there so they would be very expensive. We can also not grow the big fruit trees over these farms. It doesn't mean that they are of no use don't get me wrong this is a brilliant technology in order to grow food in space or on Mars. It is also useful to grow the crops which can't be grown everywhere and we can grow them in bulk in a controled environment with the help of this technology for eg saffron.
Its hydroponics, the nutrients are provided via controlled input into the water solution. So not "organic" but clean and no pesticide or fungicide applied.
Excellent and very informative video! I love the idea of vertical farming but this technology will receive a lot of backlash from local farming communities. I do believe this is a far more sustainable way to farm given the information you provided in the video. Very thought provoking @Freethink.
@@ANTSEMUT1 Some people like the quiet farm life. Not everyone likes to live in big cities. At least with these farms, there will be more land for livestock.
I've been following this scene for more than a decade now and really unless a boom in energy generation/storage, light production, biotech, or human diet happen, vertical/indoor farming will never replace traditional farms. Indoor farming is limited to crops with very low calorie content. High calorie crops like corn and wheat needs LOTS of energy and at the current state, only the sun can provide that much energy sustainably. It's simple thermodynamics, you can't produce/condense energy unless you have that energy available in the first place.
What? No bees or other pollinating insects? One thing is a Martian farm. Another is an Earth farm. Except for strawberries, I did not see any fruits in the video. Can you grow avocadoes or mangos, and perish the thought, watermelons vertically? I foresee Monsanto peddling its transgenic seeds to vertical farms
Love this concept. Would love to use this indoors for my house as I am an avid gardener for myself and my family. There’s nothing like fresh produce straight from your very own garden. With hard work that is!
This one gave me shivers and made me cry a little bit. I would love to see a world where food deserts were a thing of the past. Not to mention the benefits to the environment, sustainability, and of course flavor.
Now that is a vision I can get behind! I do like the idea of hydroponics (because those are just very very very large hydroponics systems, which already exist for home use, so yes, you can grow your own food indoors, even if it is icy cold outside or arid!) :)
Potatoes, sweet potato and taro would probably work well if you can get enough water/nutrients. It would need tinkering, so the spiraling/column vertical farms would work better to accommodate the roots and plants than the row design shown here. Fruit trees are a criticism I've seen but can also work if you have a way espailer them.
@@SidewalkSurferPhotography I hear what you're saying about the vines, I have discorea alata. What works for mine is trimming them at the leggy tips and it causes them to bushel more. Sweet potato greens are also edible so the greens can also be harvested and put to use (unlike my discorea alata which are questionable edibility)
@Freethink Great video as always, packed with great visuals and information. Quick question, what is your take on this technology vs traditional farming in the context of farmers? Do you think these vertical farms would be able to generate enough jobs for the farmers who are working traditionally in horizontal fields? For example, people in many countries have whole families working as farmers from generations which might not result in favourable outcomes when replaced with this new AI-powered tech. I would love to see a comparison in that aspect ( hopefully a well-drafted video 🙂 )
We absolutely need more entrepreneurs to specialize in this industry in order to spread it globally. This truly is a huge factor of our sustainable future on Earth.
It’s like westworld but instead of gratifying rich *ssholes they grow lettuce that you probably can’t afford to buy on a regular basis! Honestly though I think vertical farming is great as far as producing greens, herbs, and certain fruiting plants like tomatoes and strawberries. However I feel like they neglected to mention that all the crops with the highest land usage mainly rice, wheat, soy, and, corn have shown minimal success when grown in indoor or vertical setups, we probably won’t be giving too much land back to the rainforests either since palm oil comes from a tree which for obvious reasons can’t be mass produced in controlled environments, not to mention lumber and cattle the two other big reasons for clearing rainforests...
Cattle is gonna be replaced with cultured meat Which Will soon cost less than normal meat and better for the enviroment. Also lumbre companies cut trees yes but they also regrow it. They just don't cut down their money source willy nilly
My response to both of you: 1. Were not talking about legal logging operations in the USA, EU, etc those are generally well managed and cause minimal environmental damage, we’re talking about the vast illegal and/or poorly managed logging operations that are abundant in many tropical rainforests such as the Congo, Amazon, and Borneo. 2. I’m not slowing progress in the slightest I literally said I think vertical farming is great, however it isn’t necessarily going to fix a lot of the environmental issues brought up in this video on it’s own as it isn’t applicable for most of the crops with the highest land usage (yet) and will not do much to help with illegal logging for lumber and for the purpose of grazing cattle in tropical regions such as Brazil. Pointing out the issues with a system won’t slow progress but ignoring those issues in favor of a solution that only partially solves a problem most certainly will.
@@b.rileyjowett6925 Im not saying you're not right about what you say. I say that mentality slows progress because real progress doesnt consist of perfect all-encompasing solutions. It is made by small positive changes that pile up. If you over criticize something that is Actually good, you're hindering the effort the people are putting into it, i.e. slowing down progress
@@xSTONYTARKx because removing us from the land removes us from much needed minerals healthy soil. Try as we might, you cannot bottle all that goodness. Also, we need to live in connection with the land and not isolate ourselves in cities away from the land. Current big ag is terrible for the planet and our health. I'm not advocating for the norm but for a different approach through regenerative agriculture and permaculture.
don't get me wrong I think vertical farming is awesome and can do a lot of good but a lot of deforestation has nothing to do with farmland it has to do with grazing area for cattle and timber and for housing development which in America were much more efficient on our cattle production the number of cattle has not really fluctuated in the past 50 years while in other countries they're much less inefficient about it especially in the poor countries and a lot of countries don't care about the environment the best economic sense is to just cut it down unfortunately
step by step my friend. we will solve those problems in the future. when we have enough food for everybody, hopefully there will be no poor countries. these things take times and efforts. just be positive. there are still a lot of good in this world. OR, we can just destroy everything in this world and live in a Mad Max world.
yeah agree, but if you are following the technology, we now have companies like beyond meat that create animal protein using plants. Combined with vertical farming, i can see a very bright future here.
With mass consumer adoption of a plant based and lab grown meat diet, global grain consumption would be drastically reduced. Hopefully making that goal much more achievable!
My concern is what happens when all of the crops are reliant on being in tightly controlled and automated conditions, and something like a solar flare comes and knocks out our modern electrical grids and electronics. It's only a matter of time, and most countries need an overhaul to their electrical grids. I think the better option is to focus on poly-culture growing paradigms that make the classic farm into more of a natural, hardy food forest. Also, we should actively incentivize people to grow food in their own yards.
Crops are already reliant on tightly controlled and automated conditions, we just do it on 2 dimensions instead of 3, and use pesticides and heavy machinery to maintain it. A solar flare would still render almost every farm on Earth useless, as the ability to maintain or transport any of our crops would be gone. It would all rot. I agree we should all be given enough land on our properties to grow our own food. Unfortunately, most of us live in dense urban centers where that's fundamentally impossible.
8:51 it ain't saving world hunger. It's just a clearner way to make those kinds of foods. Hopefully this makes more space for rice, wheat, corn farms, etc.
@@TheLPRnetwork, maybe we could shift to short grain crops, like panic grass, chia, or amaranth. You could also breed grain crops to be shorter. They're probably that tall because they were selectively bred that way, either intentionally or not.
@@carsonrush3352 They are "that way" 'cos of sunlight. And yea they selectively outbred themselves due to the laws of nature that stronger survives. Also human influence ofc.
What will be amazing in the future is a no-till vertical farming setup. Lots of nutritional benefits from soil that you don't get with hydroponics, which I believe this probably is.
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What do you think of vertical farming?
I want it NOW! This doesn't even have a downside, because with the amount of room we will save, anyone who desires to farm outside for philosophical reasons can continue to do so, at scales not currently possible!
I think it could be workable, but I believe true permacultured, food forests should be strived for as well.
Is there any calculations available for the carbon emissions saved through local growing instead of freezing and shipping these crops? I imagine the environmental impact on the reduction of shipping could be as substantial as the land saved
@@cob571 Philosophical reasons? At first, I thought "yay!" I envisioned good, clean, heritage/heirloom seeds that are fertile, no chemical- based fertilizers & pesticides, companion-planting, organic, permaculture kinda sunshiny thing. 🦄- My philosophy, and perhaps yours, I don't know. BUT then, a certain someone came to mind. He recently bought a shitload of farmland. He has an obsession with golden rice, of all things; actually, he is rumored to have quite a few obsessions. Personally, from what I know of him, I share his philosophies like I share his tax bracket. Oh wait! That's a whole OTHER story, but I digress- Perhaps he wants to be numero uno in that Rat Race world he takes a profound part in; a world where "agriculture" has taken on a whole new meaning, and its production based on commerce, marketing, wealth, and greed, rather than it's True purpose of being food? Food that must give us health rather than make us dis-eased. (I won't even touch upon the animal bits in this fiasco.) And, I won't tell you his name, but it rhymes with kill hates.🙊I thank you for the first image that came to mind, though.🌻💜
In answer to the original question, I suppose it's good to have this vertical garden idea as one of the "Plan B"s, so to speak. In any case, I found the whole video to be dope A.F. Please Take care. And thanks for getting me started 😉😆🐣🌱
@@katrina3560 what are the potential down sides? Or crops that can't be grown this way?
Coming from a local farming community, I can see that if this is done right, it can be used to help and enhance local traditional farms and farmers. The two can coexist without being at odds.
Enhance not replace
Natural grown plants are always better.. we need a real plants not a fake ones..
@@annedonnellan6876 Exactly
@@mrdeepwebinsider2197 Your right
Just remember they haven't figured out cereals or potatoes.... so they really aren't going to change much.
Vertical growing arrangements have been discussed for at least 20 years or more on cannabis growing forums.
People can say whatever they want about potheads, but we gotta admit they have always been inventive, they think outside the box more easily than most people!
Ikr? I keep seeing randos here saying, "but, you cant grow this or that indoors!", to which I ask, "Why not?" Terracing exists, as does interplanting different species of different heights, and dwarf varieties of trees, done by grafting, then using espalier to spread them flat, would be easy. Some people just have no imagination, and want to crap on things they can't imagine, as if, since they can't, nobody can. 🙄
I wouldn't be surprised if farmers have thought about it since the industrial revolution, and that's just building one. Someone definitely dreamed of this way before then
@@MrX-tm8fy Restrictive laws and societal norms have forced the weed industry to evolve and get more efficient. It’s kinda crazy how advanced some of these farms are for a recreational plant, down to the desired trichomes and chemical map of the weed. If anything the weed industry has made it easier to engineer plants, even if it was inadvertent.
I still don’t see why it’s looked at so negatively given the benefits
Discussed is the keyword. Until someone really does it ✔️
I am here in Japan developing a team to begin a hydroponics setup small at first doing a lot of experimenting to determine what type of system will work best. This is probably one of the most insightful discussions I have seen on this entire discourse on the future of agriculture and food production.
Do you know which LEDs they're referring to when it comes to "best mimicry of the sun "?
@@UsernameCantGetMuchLongerCanIt No, I don't.
Hello, I am currently living in Tokyo and am very intereseted in agriculture, especially when combined with modern technology. Would definitely love to connect and discuss about this stuff more.
Hello @hydrogreen. I thought of starting a hydroponics business in small scale. I want to know how things work. Is it possible to connect with you in this regard?. Please do reply.
I have 8 years of plant science schooling and I always look at Correlated Color Temperature (CCT) and Color Rendering Index (CRI) info this should be on the products labels. Natural light has a CCT rating of 6500K, so a light bulb with a rating near 6500K is ideal for grow lights.CRI is used to evaluate how well the light compares to visible sunlight. The maximum CRI rating of 100 corresponds to the natural light from sunlight. Good full-spectrum lights for indoor gardening have a CRI rating above 85, but the closer to 100, the better.
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“We can condense 700 acres of farm land into the size of a big box retail store!” Hooooly f!
Too bad its far too expensive
Underrated comment
"But it costs 100 million dollars". Lol. At that point RnD gotta catch up lol
It's like the 100k lab grown burger. Lab grown burger sounds interesting until you hear it costs more than a car lol
Greenhouses seem to be the best option between all modes of farming
Wait a minute, this is not a Minecraft automatic farm tutorial??
Lol
No it is minecraft automatic farm
@@hellatze but with rtx on and mods
Bro next decade we unlock the ability to make tall plants in multi storied buildings
with ray tracing :v
I feel like I may have found my new calling. It always has been nature, which is why I studied marine biology, but life is hard for me as a 31 year old adult diagnosed with ADHD. Employment is a constant struggle and I never seem to last longer than 3-6 months, my record being 1 year. I have started homesteading, being more self sufficient, using my strengths of hyperfocus and knowledge as a scientist to start small experiments with agriculture. In this past month, I made an indoor nursery (planning on making a high pressure aeroponic system for under 100€ soon), a 1000+ litre compost pile (will give hot water), bought 6 quail (incubating my first egg after only 1 week of having them), set up a small worm compost farm, bought over 50 vegetable + fruit seed packets (of which I've planted 10-20%).
While my contributions to the scientific community have been negligible, I hope that by doing independent studies I might be inspired to change that.
You should start making videos if you can
Man you gotta start uploading RUclips videos
@@yourday1363 it's been on my mind for a while. I just didn't think people would care to watch it. Even though it is only 2 people, I guess I'm more motivated now after reading your comments.
As for an update, 4 of the quail I hatched made it to adulthood and started laying eggs, but I encountered some hurdles with the fogponics. Keeping the pH steady in summer weather required a bigger budget than I had. And keeping the compost healthy was requiring too much water (will try again in winter).
@@piposanchez hey man, usually it’s not only your subscribers watching, let’s hope the algorithm pushes your videos out to people if and when you start uploading, I’m sure you’ll grow fast and hey if it becomes monetizable, you can use the money to fund ur hobbies, again dude I’m happy for you getting this far, keep it up
@@yourday1363 I find it pretty crazy how a stranger's word from across the world can kickstart something potentially huge. I haven't found the support elsewhere from friends or family, being mostly met with worry, scepticism, criticism and doubt. My grandmother left me 10 hectares of land in the south of Chile. It's beautiful but quite remote. If the RUclips thing goes well, the next step could be scaling up massively. 15 years ago I got my grandmother on board to plant hundreds of thousands of trees there as a long term sustainable project. The government even subsidised part of it, but it didn't do as well since it wasn't protected from pests (rabbits). Other than that, the land has only made use of it with small projects, and there's so much potential...
Sorry for the rant, but thanks again for your comment!
The graphics and visuals along with the voice is making this video highly entertaining!!! I appreciate that. Thanks😊
His inflection is freakin' impeccable😃
So glad to hear, thank you!
@@skywalktriceiam Nick does have some silky-smooth vocals, we admit.
Ya these guys do a good job.
@@wovasteengova they really do! I share their content a lot ↪
Wow, nate went from growing small farms on youtube to Wallstreet CEO grower. Incredible man, impressive work.
What I was curious about throughout the video was not if the produce tasted or looked better than normal, but if it managed to remain nutritious. I kinda find it weird that they didn't mention anything about the nutritional value, since that is the most important aspect of food🤔
Yes, me too. The constant lingering thought was if it still maintained its nutritional value.
Why would it change inside?
They would likely have higher nutrient value as there is a more controlled production of the plant. Can give it all the cofactors and proteins the plants need much easier.
They add the vitamins and minerals into the watering system.
My concern is the loss of the sun's natural biogenesis on growing plants.
@Sharon Wells why, there is nothing special about the sun if you get the right frequencies
I love the concept, but I would like to see detailed data on energy consumption of these operations. It is rare I hear a tech story that actually gives me a sliver of hope about the future, so rare that my instinct is to put it in the "if it sounds too good to be true..." category.
Exactly. Vertical rotatary belt greenhouse anyone? Our gov invested in it, and I saw that greenhouse abandoned in the rural area. Millions taxpayer money wasted.
The vid claim this can be done anywhere.
Except they don't emphasize on the infrastructure need for electricity.
I want to see how much green electricity they can produce off a big store warehouse land area for their 700 acres indoor farming 🙄. How much of the energy needed is supplemented by the usual power grid.
Westerners are very good at marketing and making awesome videos, even if the products aint that feasible.
@@Khristos13 well I do not now the numbers. But I think you would safe a lot of recources by not having to transport the food across the world. in more dense countries a lot of space becomes a viable for nature and housing. Probably huge water savings to.
Energy will probably be the big problem. The quastion is how big a problem and what are alternative wich are more energy friendly
There will always be kinks in new innovative ideas. I believe farming this way will do way more help than harm by saving habitats, water, transportation costs and pollution. But I think energy consumption is one of the only problems with this system, so I think the real question is how can we limit the energy consumption of these facilities to a level that makes it a viable strategy for the whole world. If we have the technology to put a man on the moon I think we can easily solve the energy consumption problems with this system. I would say hold your tongue and don’t write it off as a bad idea with good intentions, there are large opportunities for vertical aeroponic farming to become the industry standard if your willing to be patient and maybe do your own research into how to make this work.
The energy requirements of vertical farming lead to significant land use to provide the energy. For every acre of crops grown via vertical farming, 5.4 acres of solar panels would be required to supply the energy via solar power.Thus in practice, vertical farming may require more land than traditional farming, not less
Louis Albright, a professor in biological and environmental engineering at Cornell stated that a loaf of bread that was made from wheat grown in a vertical farm would cost US$27.However, according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average loaf of bread cost US$1.296 in September 2019, clearly showing how crops grown in vertical farms will be noncompetitive compared to crops grown in traditional outdoor farms
According to a report in The Financial Times as of 2020, most vertical farming companies have been unprofitable.
Vertical farms must overcome the financial challenge of large startup costs. The initial building costs could exceed $100 million for a 60 hectare vertical farm.Urban occupancy costs can be high, resulting in much higher startup costs - and a longer break even time - than for a traditional farm in rural areas. In Victoria, Australia, a "hypothetical 10 level vertical farm" would cost over 850 times more per square meter of arable land than a traditional farm in rural Victoria
you need to account to total cost of energy and resource not just one thing. energy, water use, space efficiencies, transportation is reduced saving on energy (trucks, ships).
I'm a minute in and it's already fascinating. Thanks Freethink!
So glad you liked it, thanks for watching!
I accidentally clicked on this video and I do not regret it this is a great video.
Sometimes I wonder what the world would have looked like without innovations like this😊, my advice for everyone, both in the agricultural industry and elsewhere, is to evolve with the world in others so as not to to be left behind
Sorry for the inconvenience, I just had to add. Cryptocurrency is the future of money and a very good way to invest and make extra profit, I am grateful to Mr. Larry Kent Nick for introducing me and making me earn so much thanks to this new innovation
I already like this guy, I would like to get involved please how can I contact him?
Sometimes life is very easy and simple, if you do something good for the general public, it will not go unnoticed, thank you Mr. Larry Kent Nick for making my life easier
I like the good recommendations on this guy, I will contact him as soon as possible, thank you all for all the help, it's been an honor 😊
As long as the innovation doesn’t affect my health I’m in. Some innovations do affect your health. This one seems pretty good for me to do indoor growing.
Ha, i followed this guy on youtube and lived near him when he started this. Incredible
Bright Agrotech was his channel. Unreal.. can't believe he got this big. Good job Nate.
That's so cool! The internet is a huge world and a small one, haha.
I love that. My brush with that sort of thing was discovering one of my FaceBook friends from New Zealand was friends with, and had had dinner with, one of my favourite PBS3 chefs, who does her show from down there.
Still catching up on all his videos. They know their stuff.
Having a " ✓ " next to one's pseudo is like the people you know who wear counterfeit.
Cringe and pathetic.
I work at a VERTICAL FARM in NJ called Bowery Farming. It's amazing to be apart of the future of farming and R&D
80s & 90s: ooh flying cars, this is the future!!!
2020s: ooh vertical farming, this is the future!!!
@@kkklover89 fax bro
ok, globalist
Hey, i just read about Bowery. I plant hydroponics at home for micro business, but i wonder how the big corps do that.
@@based9 cringe...
Verticle farming is something I've followed since I used to advise people on their pot grows 20 years ago, this is a game changer. Especially if you can pair some other things like aquaponics, mushroom growing, and find a way to still get animal based proteins farmed outside like free range chickens for a portion of meals a week. But like you said the biggest issue is current diet trends, and people don't like change...
I’ve seen some neat mushroom farms using coffee grounds. I have also heard of growing meat portions from single tissue samples. All very sci-fi, but very interesting. At the end of the day, like you said, it comes down to people and their habits. Without massive advertising campaigns and better information, people will not heed the benefits of new things like vertical farming and healthier diets.
@@amyvoegerl6349 I think vertical farming is much easier to spread, it takes way less water so it's ideal for the west. The key is putting as many different crops and potential industries under their roofs as possible. If you can find secondary industries, like recycling, power storage/production, habitation, bugs/fish, or whatever the total costs get offset with profits.
The lab grown meat is going to take free samples like Costco does, gonna have to get people to try it and see it's good. The benefit is possibly that you can grow it faster and possibly cheaper than a full chicken that needs room and food/water to grow for months.
they dont follow it anmyore right ?
This seems like a good idea, I would really like it to work. Something that worries me from an environmental perspective is how much electricity these farms will require, and whether those demands allow this to be part of a sustainable future
there are ways to reduce the amount of energy if you´re getting creative...for example in my (cold climate!) city there´s a huge greenhouse on the roof of a bakery, using the excess heat from the ovens to heat the greenhouse which would just be wasted otherwise. other projects use the (co2-rich!) stale air from office buildings with ventilation systems as natural growth booster
Especially when year round. They require constant electricity which means during say a power shortage or outage they may rely on generators that burn fossil fuels. A lot of areas have generators like this in case of power shortsge and it can mean sustainability based on electricity is hard to calculate unless more power is renewable.
Why can’t a hybrid of solar, hydroelectric energy be a viable source?
Remember the growing efficiency of LEDs
@@EsotericCat power outages happen less often than you think
“Farm smarter not harder”
4:14
“By 2050, there will be gene-edited crops, and it will trigger a much wider variety of crops being grown,” says Norman. This new technology allows scientists to precisely edit genes in DNA with the goal of creating a better crop variety.
using google search
10:23
@@Gurci28 a gene edit crop is gmo. Which weve already been doing. Corn is a gmo of maize. But people hate gmos cuz those people are stupid
@@CheeseMiser There are real concerns against GMO's: remember Monsanto and their dirty glyfosate GMO crops, what about the IP rights on common heritage ? This kind of hyperspecialisation will make farmers even more dependent on and ultimately reduce the gene pool of our horticulture crops. Just like with the seed companies now. Because nobody has to gather, select and store seeds anymore there is a great reduction of genetic diversity among common agriculture crops. We are losing the cultivars/heirlooms/landraces our grandparents ate and with it the rich library of genes from which we ultimately create new plants (GMO or conventional crossbreeding).
One problem that's not mentioned in the video, is that there are a lot of crops and produce that are just not feasible to grow indoors and/or vertically. Growing most trees, and grains are just efficient enough. Great technology however, I hope it will be able to come down in price and availability.
Yup
growing crops like corn, barley, wheat also fruiting trees and shrubs etc. doesn't make sense because they take a longer period to yield and more space so growing them would increase the cost in indoor conditions. only good for greens, veggies and long vine based vegetables.
I like that you have actually mentioned the effect it will have on farmers and the agricultural community. I think it will be important not to forget them as we move to a more eco friendly farming technique. These farmers have made it their life to try to provide for us, some have barely been making ends meet, so as a community we need to recognize this as we move forward. In reality I’m will change the careers of many. We will not need as many truck drivers either. We would need to ensure they can transfer into other job specialities. I really think this is great!
Personally I’d love to visit one of these warehouses.
In my personal opinion we should build these vertical farms in places that traditional farming isn’t possible so that we can make sure we have a sustainable food production before we make the full transition. Another idea would be to either stack them higher, or maybe even put “forests” on the rooftops of these building or solar panels. Solar panels do release a lot of carbon dioxide to build, but if we offset some of that with lush Forrest’s and cleaning ocean coral reefs and such, we could technically survive on solar, (storing electricity for emergency as well) there are so many ways to innovate the technology that already exists today.
Farming is still needed you can only make small leafy greens with vertical farms good like trying to grow tomatoes or peppers
That’s like saying we should keep using fossil fuels to spare the jobs of gas station workers -_-
@@ttt5020 yeah "let's not go more environmentally friendly because people might lose jobs" Traduon) traditional farming just isn't sustainable to feed the whole world anymore
This is amazing on so many levels! Thanks for posting this. My biggest issue right now is the immediate and sometimes ravenous "skeptism" surround any new "green technology". While concern is always legitimate the narrative that always bothers me the most is the idea that it will completely replace systems we us now seemingly overnight. Progress is NOT a zero sum game, these techniques can (and hopefully will) be used in conjunction of ones we already use now, so panic surrounding the industries we have now need not always worry. Also this "green technique" can also be used with other "green techniques" to make a better running system like using vertical farming in arid areas used for solar energy acquisition. The main thing we should ALL agree on is that humanity as a whole no longer has the luxury of being so wasteful and it will take unilateral collaboration to really move forward, survive, and thrive in the near and increasingly uncertain future. Thanks again.
Nature is amazing on so many levels! A fined tuned organism billions of years in the perfecting... Deciding to sidestep nature and grow populations artificially, without constraints of "then environment" is not just foolish. Its evil.
@@odinata Would u mind elaborating on exactly how it’s “evil”? U see, it’s so far from even potentially “evil” assuming the technology and methodology is democratized. To me being smarter about how we do things to enable us doing them better to…u know…stop the planet from being destroyed due to true evil, greed that’s causing the accelerating climate change catastrophe we’re barreling towards is the opposite of evil. Unless you’re representing big business and thus sees emerging green technologies as a threat to your bottom line I can’t fathom a logical reason why you’d make such a bizarre assertion. So I would genuinely appreciate if you would be so kind as to enlighten me by elaborating on why it’s “evil”.
Thank you thank you, with peace and love! ✌️
@The Banned Okay? There's a strange amount of hostility in that comment. Lol
Just remember to do 10th man thinking about it.
because it will break at time so thn what ?
but the concept and longterm use is something i am possitive about i just want to dull the hype some people get from new stuff.
I came across the concept of vertical farming just a few weeks ago. I'm so excited by it and the possibilities it opens up.
Could this be the start of another agricultural revolution? I do hope so. Micro-urban farms in every major city. What a wonderful concept both for the human race and, perhaps more importantly, for our planet as a whole.
I dream of a program that can take in thousands of variables and suggest new food recipes. Variables like existing recipes, climate they were created in, what region of the world that recipe is popular in etc.
Edit: Amazing video Freethink! I love the direction technology and AI is taking us in
That's actually a brilliant idea. If you were into coding and AI that would be a fun project.
Love that idea! You could use this farm to literally customize the vegetables to grow in the best conditions for a particular kind of cuisine.
@@lcarthel I mean, the IA part is optional, since it would be for better customized recipe suggestions, and could be well enough replaced by an algorithm.
The project should be easy to separate into 3 parts: the recipe database, the recommendation system and the user interface.
I don't think you have much cooking experience sir. You can't come up with new recipes with an AI program. Successful recipes depend upon instinct and experience, not on the manipulation of data. You are not constructing a car. You are creating something that is very subjective. Its a good idea in theory only. Good luck.
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Can we just take the time to acknowledge how good the production is on these videos, keep it up Freethink
This has such great potential! The two areas I would love to see considered are 1. the benefits of real sunlight over LED, maybe solar lights or solar sessions, which are not as controllable as LED, but you just can't beat the synergy of nature, of which we are only beginning to understand; and 2. the absence of vital microbiome that exists in outdoor grown crops. The food borne illness causing bacteria are such a small portion of the bacteria that are on crops in their natural environment and are vital to human health. I appreciate the impact not having to wash the crops has on resources, but I would love to see the important bacteria, yeast, and other microbes being considered.
I remember wondering why this was not yet a thing when I was in preschool; glad it is finally on its way!
They were doing this at Disney World 30 yrs ago.
Well I think the problem is just the energy need and efficient lighting, wich gets better and better
And you can only farm few vegetables and some spinach major food sources like rice ,wheat, corn may not be viable
Just the latest hype/fad for the ignorant media to tout. Remember all the hype about flying cars decades ago? There are still millions of cars on the street.
@@kkklover89 This seems to not intend to replace standard farming but to bring fresh produce to dense, urban communities.
Have been watching Nate's youtube channel years back, was a pleasant surprise to see him on here on Freethink and going with his passion so far.
I did at least 6 projects on this topic in undergrad and masters........At least as of Winter of 2021, the cost side isn't low enough. The only way this works is at whole foods+++ prices. It comes down to the simple math of what's cheaper:
the sun + crop yields vs the cost of electricity - efficiency gains with 24/hr growing
This is actually so amazing! Watched cowspiracy in class and I realized how ridiculously large the amount of land and habitats we destroy for agriculture.
I also wonder how much this vertical farming costs to do. Because sad as it is, people and businesses are all about profit. If it's too expensive to switch from horizontal to vertical, some powerful people might not want to support it. We have to change society's priorities
@Dennis Hartmann I was a big meat eater all my life but I’ve realised how bad it is for the world and I want a good future or at least a future which isn’t world case environmental scenario. So if people like me are switching from meat, the world is starting to awaken, slowly but it is. Just think at how big the plant based produce and plant protein section has grown in supermarkets over the last 10 years.
Wow, just saw this... so you people are going to hate on the farmers who has been feeding you all these years because some people found a new way to plant massive food indoors?
@@dinahi.5582 cope
Your content deserve to be on tv or Netflix and have its own series, your documentary is on the level of million dollar budget.
True definition of “factory farming”.
And “locally-grown” could be pineapples and avocados grown in the same facility as potatoes and winter wheat.
Yes I was waiting on him to speak about that as well.
Good luck on the wheat!
The only example where the factory product out health the nature one.
I’ve literally felt this is the solution to our most immediate and largest existential threat for so many years. Like so many things, we have the solutions. We just need to use it.
I think we need to accept climate change is going to happen. Move off fossil fuels when we can yes, but no talk of Malthusian return to the stone age. If some land is going to be too hot to grow crops, work out where else to farm.
Absolutely. Though, "to feel" doesn't have any figurative meaning, so there's no need to say "literally".
@@tstcikhthys I mean sure, but if you loosen up and read in common functionality, because this is the internet.. you understand what I mean.
@@oliverford5367 I think we need to focus a more on preserving, protecting, and restoring natural ecosystems.Yes, climate change will do its damage, but we also are destroying ecosystems and converting large portions of it to monoculture. Probably even 15% of all the land and water we impact with our various forms of agriculture, if protected, will do the world enormous good!
@@eneveasi I said that in quite a "loosened up" way. The internet is all about terseness, not verbosity, so it's weird to use extra, redundant words when the same could be said in fewer.
It's important to talk about yield, it's equally important to speak of how much nutrition is in each plant
That was pretty cool. I've watched a lot of vertical farming videos but these guys are taking it to the next level.
My wife doesn't know it but I have been looking at hydroponics and considering it fairly heavily when I get my own home. I have already grown peas that were delicious in 5 gallon buckets outside but there were bugs in it at the end of the season. Lettuce, peas and strawberries are what I am looking at starting with.
You don't really need to get into hydroponics. I mean, if that's your thing, just go for it. But having bugs at the end of the season is pretty normal, specially in those plants that you don't harvest as a whole. Lettuce and strawberries are super easy to grow in containers, just give it a try!
flavor, looks, and yield is all well and good but what about nutrition? do these indoor grown plants have similar to better nutrient profiles as compared to more natural ones?
The real innovation would be building an at-home appliance that automates the growing of food in your pantry.
Like a 3D food printer? We are already on it =)
decentralised food
Be able to grow and have our own basic food needs.. like before industrialization.. beinh responsible for ourselves in that way would be such a healthy step for all of us.! 💗🙏🌎
I'm pretty sure it would be the same technology but a smaller scale
Its called a garden
At the very end of the video he says, “we can give back the mid-west to the Buffalo.” Then there was an image of a Buffalo (not a North American Bison) which didn’t make sense. The Buffalo on the screen only lives in Asia and parts of Eastern Europe, not the mid-west
They were hoping people didn’t notice.
They also showed Arugula when talking about Kale. Let it go. You don't need to pour gasoline all over yourself and light the match
You are a small -minded, petty person.
This is the future of large scale agriculutral production. I love everything about it. Thanks for sharing the video. Your production quality is top notch!
Thanks! Glad to hear you're enjoying the content.
They only produce leafy greens though. Grow fruit or even carrots or potatoes.
Carrots and tomatoes can be grown quite easily in this method, there's a mega greenhouse that literally grows MILLIONS of tomatoes in five acres
There are so many companies doing this, it is great
This is not the wonder everyone thinks. It is great to help us with resilience with our food systems and it is important that we have these alternatives but:
1. Disease. You have a ton of plants in a tiny area with a shared ventilation system. Disease will spread easily and I can't imagine the antifungal sprays and what not that's needed.
2. Biodiversity, what about fertilisation, pollinisation? The wildlife that relies on some of the biproducts from our food systems?
3. Energy use. We have light outside for free, why are we burning more fossil fuels to grow plants under these growlights?
4. Water usage is bad in water stressed regions of the world like california, India or China. These solutions may work wonders there, but it's kind of useless in a place like Kenya
5. We are taking food growth away from smallholder farmers who have been the backbone of our world cultures and putting it in the hands of yet another business.
We need these systems but it needs to augmented with local permaculture growth
This is so awesome.. looking forward to watch much more this kind of content.. more ever God bless these kind of people who are actually doing something to make this world a better place, wish our politicians could learn a thing or two.
Freethink deserves more subscribers!
At least a million!
It's a propaganda for the great reset from WEF. Not just energy consumption that they're not mention. But everything to make those chemical for plant nutrition or engine production for tool/equiptments. All of them need to mine and factory from the nature.
Minecraft Redstone Engineers:
_Oh yeah. It’s all coming together._
2035: automatic afk wheat farm
I can hear the farmer's sound: "uh huh, huh!"
I hope we can continue spreading this practice everywhere. This defo is the future thanks for the video
We need to consider the importance of the microbiome and mycelium for nutrient uptake when making vertical growing solutions.
I like the idea of a pristine garden space with incredibly rich soil, some terra preta type stuff, where the water that grows our food gets to flow naturally as a stream through a mineral rich environment. Just a 60wx40lx30h foot room with a tree and a stream.
Thank you for sharing! I’d encourage anyone who sees this comment to search for more videos on the topic of vertical farming because there’s lots of great info out there!
Right on!
specifically his channel is Bright Agrotech and has a bunch of their early commercial versions in there ruclips.net/video/zQvBqVfTKhw/видео.html
What’s the energy consumption of a place like this? They didn’t really touch on it. I’m sure it’s high but can’t be too horrible right? No sarcasm, genuinely curious
@@mattwilson5383 thats probably the highest expense they incur aside from the cost of outfitting the building or actually building a location solely gor this purpose.
No discussion of how widespread adoption of indoor growing would compromise an already struggling power grid and what the environmental effects of increased power generation would be.
Solar power. Some states already have programs for free residential panels and installation through state funded programs
Solar power, and samsung lm301 led lights are taking over. I get a 401k for growing.
@@mikaelarule One of the major reasons given for this type of cultivation is saving space. If you then have to cover the landscape in acres and acres of solar panels, what have you gained? The answer is Nuclear.
@@Buddhamaniac Right. I guess if you really had efficient, cheap power storage & transportation, it might be worthwile to plaster the deserts with solar and the oceans with wind farms, and deliver it to local farms in areas where most people actually want to live?
Nuclear fission is certainly preferable to further digging us into our climate hellhole with fossil fuels, but I hope it will be practised in a way where we don't bury tons of fissile plutonium while digging up new uranium instead of closing the fuel cycle, keep shoving waste around on trains between "temporary storage" until eventually ending up at sites picked for political irrelevance instead of geological suitability, and also keep the door open for arms proliferation - i.e. pretty different from how it's generally actually done now, AFAIU... :\
Anyway, from an #aesthetic standpoint, I'd love to have my bioreactor-grown spirulina slurry with a couple of perfect vertically-farmed strawberries, all powered by fusion power plants - I heard those are only 20 years away! :^)
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I love all this but I want to see the nutritional data on this produce. Is it nutritionally dense? If so then this is magnificent work.
This is actually pretty amazing. Why no one thought of this before is crazy.
Loads of people have thought of it before them...these dudes just killin the game doe
@@matthewgriffiths9642 makes sense. I guess these folks are just the ones that made it work.
@@vonbrendt01 Their tech is amazing & I'm excited someone is developing it, but sadly the key ingredient to "making it work" on a large scale would be a *carbon-neutral power economy without fossil fuels.* Without that, large-scale vertical farming would be terrible regarding CO2 emissions, AFAICT.
I doubt the gains from shorter transportation and one-off gains from reforestation (or, let's be real, slower deforestation) come anywhere near offsetting the inefficiency of photovoltaics + LEDs + heating + infrastructure + ...
Believe it or not, the idea is actually over 100 years old! But new breakthroughs in technology - from robotics to lighting to software - are just now making it feasible and efficient, and there's a lot of room to go. Often these breakthroughs are really the culmination of a lot of different advances and projects around the world and people building on the knowledge and tools available. The Netherlands has been a big leader in the field and actually the #2 exporter of food in the world thanks to their technology - we toured some of their facilities two years ago. ruclips.net/video/KfB2sx9uCkI/видео.html
They did, the apartment or small yard dwellers 😂
Is there any insight you can provide on the environmental impact that a facility like this has due to the temperature control systems? Heating and cooling can put some horribly bad things into the environment.
Been watching Nate's RUclips channel for the last six years, glad to see he is still pushing forward.
And there will be someone who's like "BOYCOTT!! This is unnatural! Plants are meant to grow on flat land with sunlight and blah blah blah."
So, my one concern would be that plants are meant to grow in soil with beneficial bacteria and fungi that the plant has a symbiotic relationship with, where the plant feeds them carbs and they deliver minerals the plants need, basically on demand . So I fail to see how the vertical farm will do that as effectively as a well managed no till market garden/regenerative small scale farm. BUT BIG AG that is owned by the pharmaceutical companies kills all the soil microbes, so its not like the majority of the farmland does this anyway.
And people would rather buy consumer junk from overseas than pay slightly more for regenerative farm food, so they need these vertical farms to feed their consumerism.
Vertical farm use water with a nutrient solution to feed the plants. Everything the plants needs can be found in the water. The reason why plants need fungi and all that stuff is because it’s hard to find in the soil where nutrient doesn’t constantly flow around. Some beneficial bacteria is present in the water to.
The fact is that the plants grown in vertical farms grow much faster and a failed harvest is eliminated. It’s saves a huge amount of land. Growing food in the traditional why or in a regenerative way is not way to go with the population we have.
@@Abbebobo a perfect example of the Dunning Kruger effect 👌.
@@jeanetteinthisorn4955 The projection is strong with this one.
@@jeanetteinthisorn4955 pot, meet kettle.
"Dinners ready! Who wants 10 pounds of arugula?!"
Was waiting for this comment. Energy isn't cheap enough to grow heavy fruiting vegetables or grains yet.
@@FUFriendsUnited I bet you did the research on that 🙄
@@KM-qk1oz There are research farms growing grains indoors. They can outperform yields similar to hydro or aeroponic grows like you're seeing in this video. The issue is the cost of energy. Most of the crops you're seeing (strawberry being the exception) are less sugar dense and require less light.
There's certainly a tipping point in the future, but if it was here, it would be happening already.
is it healthy to eat as normal agriculture
I imagine every home having a large refrigerator sized, automated indoor vertical farm atrium and every restaurant, school, grocery store, etc having a storage container based , automated vertical farm too.
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This is all really fantastic work and I'm glad I get to love to see it. However, I do have one question. In nature, when a plant is growing it forms a relationship with a mycorrhizal network of mushrooms, helpful bacteria, and protozoa. This has two effects, it increases the overall fertility of the soil by allowing nutrients to be shared between plants in the network but more importantly with mushrooms and single-celled organisms. The mushrooms and microorganisms, being as unique as they are, produce incredibly useful biological molecules that act as medicines in our gut and cause the cell walls to become less porous, disallowing viruses and potentially cancer-causing bacteria to settle there. My question is this: because they're not being planted in soil and thus not having access to a variety of mycorrhizal and microorganism networks, do the plants contain or is there a way to allow then to contain the same molecules one would find in a typical soil-grown organic food crop?
That is a good question, though I think this company will just geneticly engineer their way out of this problem. We shall see
these farms can be aquaponic or soil, nutrients can be added to the water and we can eat mushrooms and grow mushrooms the same way, most mushrooms farms already work like this, in an sterile environment and in stacks, so i think everything will work out in the end
@@justseelemonina you clearly didn't read the whole comment
@kenny santiago these mycorrhizal networks of mushrooms and other helpful bacteria only take place in biodiverse areas such as forests, not in monoculture farms, where they would have little to no effect on the crops growing.
Seeing this in action everyday has been an incredible experience. The farm in Compton, CA., was built from the ground up. I have been there to see every step of the way.
I love the idea of vertical farming and have been dreaming of it since I first heard it mentioned in some computer games over 10 yrs ago. But what makes me a little nervous is when he mentions that there is no bird-poop or insects; that we will become allergic to even more things in the future. Just like we've increasingly become since our homes have become more or less sterile.
is that abad thing ?
Expanding farms vertically makes sense , wish the video delved more into the scalability of this, construction and operating costs and output of the current designs. I believe this approach to farming is a matter of when instead of if, but more in depth analysis would've been helpful to understand how soon this is achievable.
The only problem is plastic packaging of greens.
What interests me the most is the ability to tune the characteristics of the plants just by changing the light! In addition to varietals we could have subvarietals or personalized varietals
So, changing our whole food production system, saving forests and natural habitats, saving water and reducing carbon emissions is secondary to you. But you want to have a crunchier kale, right?
@@lpnmr1513 Sorry, I should have clarified to avoid offending you, what I should have said is "What interests me the most ABOUT THIS TECHNIQUE AS COMPARED TO OTHER VERTICAL FARMING SYSTEMS..." I hope you can sleep better now knowing you were right.
Except about the kale part. I don't eat kale. Maybe I would if it were crunchier? Do you think maybe making healthy, sustainable food more palatable to more people would promote people to eat more of those foods and less beef? Could that not PERHAPS contribute positively to all the goals you stated?
Or did you just want to use the planet as a way to score a moral victory in your own mind?
While at first it sounds like great idea, when you think more about it there is question: how much electricity it needs? The problem is that most of eletricity is not from a clean source (in my country coal is still most popular :/), but gradual cjange seems to be good idea. Also: I do think we should left some of the current system agroculture/farms
Consider the cost of infrastructare, energy and staff cost to grow only lettuce versus just growing in the ground using natural sunlight.
6 times more expensive than traditional farming
This is what I’ve been talking about for ages. One of these every 5 city blocks. At the end of the day people pick up the produce they’re gonna eat (free of charge), cook it, and then eat communally with their neighbors on former streets now filled with lush green grass, fitted with long tables and benches where everyone can eat and enjoy each other’s company and actually get to know each other.
FrEe oF cHaRgE 🥴
we have the resources to feed everyone on earth sustainably, and it's possible to achieve that if you overthrow the system that keeps that from happening
@@heaventohades lol, you mean every world leader in nations who need it most? If aid, food, money for infrastructure etc get sent. Id say most of it wont end up in the peoples hands. Just the rich/ ruling class.
@@charleskavoukjian3441 the people who own everything (food corporations, water companies, energy, microchips) get all the wealth because they "own" the very materials that let us produce all Necessities like factories, mines for raw metals, and their employees' time on earth. This fact + their lobbying (bribing) the government so that we constantly Need to keep paying them for essentials instead of being self sufficient means that we can never stop paying them for the advantage that they have over us. they exploit this and shape things so that we are wholly dependent on consumerism to go about our day to day, which is seen in day to day minutiae like infrastructure built for cars rather than people, medicine that literally keeps you from dying costing a week's paycheck, making it illegal to plant a free community garden... you know. being rich isn't the whole story behind why the ruling class is a parasitic type of animal, it's the fact that they are rich Because they make passive income by Owning things while we Work both to make And buy the product that they're making money off of all while napping on their yacht. the government will always bend to their will because government is only a technical power which is only Secondary because it will always be controlled by the Primary power of any nation is Whoever Owns the Nation's Necessities. the biggest army in the world would be useless if you can't feed, them after all. whats my point with this? the rich/ruling class do exist, and they exist because they have spent centuries shaping things in a way where society is used to them being a component of life. this is the "system" im talking about overthrowing. how is that supposed to happen? the same way the US started. 💥💥💥
Every 5 blocks? “Free?” Are you for real?
Great vid the closing comments really sit with me though " be less extractive" so true.
we have so much desert unused space that can use these and use the power of the sun to basically even out the electricity use. it would be brilliant.
So, at some point, automatic and semi-automatic crop farms are going to start being a irl thing?
Yup, this is the 3rd video I’ve seen on a completely different company doing this. It’s just super duper expensive start up costs
First of all, I could make a 20 minute video talking about this topic, but for now I'm just gonna say one thought I had.
I don't think farmers would lose their identity. I would imagine that genuine farming would actually be a marketable thing for people in a world that has had their agriculture automated. For the same reason we like all hand-made things, that human connection.
Again, there's a lot more to say about this, but that's for another time.
@Narja What social aspect? Lack of market? Or lack of income? Oh wait...
You won't see these types of vertical farm all over the world and replacing traditional land base agriculture bcz they are very expensive to build and they have limitations to grow other variety of crops. For eg we human not only eat kale or leaf Veges only this is very small part of our diet. All human on planet eat grains like wheat, rice, corns, and pulses etc and it is very hard to grow them in these types of modern farm and if we grow them there so they would be very expensive.
We can also not grow the big fruit trees over these farms.
It doesn't mean that they are of no use don't get me wrong this is a brilliant technology in order to grow food in space or on Mars. It is also useful to grow the crops which can't be grown everywhere and we can grow them in bulk in a controled environment with the help of this technology for eg saffron.
I could be missing something here, but where do we get nutrients from? I assume these plants still require some sort of chemical input.
Its hydroponics, the nutrients are provided via controlled input into the water solution. So not "organic" but clean and no pesticide or fungicide applied.
Excellent and very informative video! I love the idea of vertical farming but this technology will receive a lot of backlash from local farming communities. I do believe this is a far more sustainable way to farm given the information you provided in the video. Very thought provoking @Freethink.
I don't understand why they would other than stuck in their ways, they could transition to this given the right incentives.
@@ANTSEMUT1 Some people like the quiet farm life. Not everyone likes to live in big cities. At least with these farms, there will be more land for livestock.
Thank you guys for saving the earth!
Love and respects from India🙏
I've been following this scene for more than a decade now and really unless a boom in energy generation/storage, light production, biotech, or human diet happen, vertical/indoor farming will never replace traditional farms.
Indoor farming is limited to crops with very low calorie content. High calorie crops like corn and wheat needs LOTS of energy and at the current state, only the sun can provide that much energy sustainably. It's simple thermodynamics, you can't produce/condense energy unless you have that energy available in the first place.
What? No bees or other pollinating insects? One thing is a Martian farm. Another is an Earth farm. Except for strawberries, I did not see any fruits in the video. Can you grow avocadoes or mangos, and perish the thought, watermelons vertically? I foresee Monsanto peddling its transgenic seeds to vertical farms
Love this concept. Would love to use this indoors for my house as I am an avid gardener for myself and my family. There’s nothing like fresh produce straight from your very own garden. With hard work that is!
This one gave me shivers and made me cry a little bit. I would love to see a world where food deserts were a thing of the past. Not to mention the benefits to the environment, sustainability, and of course flavor.
Now that is a vision I can get behind! I do like the idea of hydroponics (because those are just very very very large hydroponics systems, which already exist for home use, so yes, you can grow your own food indoors, even if it is icy cold outside or arid!) :)
I support vertical farming! This is truly something special
I wander if potatoes can grow in vertical/hydroponic farms cause I heard theres a potato shortage
They're not very tall, so it'd be possible in the size part of the question
Potatoes, sweet potato and taro would probably work well if you can get enough water/nutrients. It would need tinkering, so the spiraling/column vertical farms would work better to accommodate the roots and plants than the row design shown here. Fruit trees are a criticism I've seen but can also work if you have a way espailer them.
@@BrandyScott6055but sweet potato would be a hassle wouldn't they? I'm growing one and there's so many vines, it's climbed up all the shelves.
@@SidewalkSurferPhotography I hear what you're saying about the vines, I have discorea alata. What works for mine is trimming them at the leggy tips and it causes them to bushel more. Sweet potato greens are also edible so the greens can also be harvested and put to use (unlike my discorea alata which are questionable edibility)
@Freethink Great video as always, packed with great visuals and information.
Quick question, what is your take on this technology vs traditional farming in the context of farmers? Do you think these vertical farms would be able to generate enough jobs for the farmers who are working traditionally in horizontal fields? For example, people in many countries have whole families working as farmers from generations which might not result in favourable outcomes when replaced with this new AI-powered tech. I would love to see a comparison in that aspect ( hopefully a well-drafted video 🙂 )
We absolutely need more entrepreneurs to specialize in this industry in order to spread it globally. This truly is a huge factor of our sustainable future on Earth.
"we can give it back to the world"
meanwhile human growing stone forest
It’s like westworld but instead of gratifying rich *ssholes they grow lettuce that you probably can’t afford to buy on a regular basis! Honestly though I think vertical farming is great as far as producing greens, herbs, and certain fruiting plants like tomatoes and strawberries. However I feel like they neglected to mention that all the crops with the highest land usage mainly rice, wheat, soy, and, corn have shown minimal success when grown in indoor or vertical setups, we probably won’t be giving too much land back to the rainforests either since palm oil comes from a tree which for obvious reasons can’t be mass produced in controlled environments, not to mention lumber and cattle the two other big reasons for clearing rainforests...
Cattle is gonna be replaced with cultured meat Which Will soon cost less than normal meat and better for the enviroment.
Also lumbre companies cut trees yes but they also regrow it. They just don't cut down their money source willy nilly
People like you is the reason progress is slower than it would be
My response to both of you:
1. Were not talking about legal logging operations in the USA, EU, etc those are generally well managed and cause minimal environmental damage, we’re talking about the vast illegal and/or poorly managed logging operations that are abundant in many tropical rainforests such as the Congo, Amazon, and Borneo.
2. I’m not slowing progress in the slightest I literally said I think vertical farming is great, however it isn’t necessarily going to fix a lot of the environmental issues brought up in this video on it’s own as it isn’t applicable for most of the crops with the highest land usage (yet) and will not do much to help with illegal logging for lumber and for the purpose of grazing cattle in tropical regions such as Brazil. Pointing out the issues with a system won’t slow progress but ignoring those issues in favor of a solution that only partially solves a problem most certainly will.
@@b.rileyjowett6925 oh ok now I get it
@@b.rileyjowett6925 Im not saying you're not right about what you say. I say that mentality slows progress because real progress doesnt consist of perfect all-encompasing solutions. It is made by small positive changes that pile up. If you over criticize something that is Actually good, you're hindering the effort the people are putting into it, i.e. slowing down progress
Led lights, electricity, tech, .... they neglected to discuss those wastes and toxicities.
I see the draw and how it would be helpful in certain situations, but I will stick to regenerative agriculture.
Why?
@@xSTONYTARKx because removing us from the land removes us from much needed minerals healthy soil. Try as we might, you cannot bottle all that goodness. Also, we need to live in connection with the land and not isolate ourselves in cities away from the land. Current big ag is terrible for the planet and our health. I'm not advocating for the norm but for a different approach through regenerative agriculture and permaculture.
don't get me wrong I think vertical farming is awesome and can do a lot of good but a lot of deforestation has nothing to do with farmland it has to do with grazing area for cattle and timber and for housing development which in America were much more efficient on our cattle production the number of cattle has not really fluctuated in the past 50 years while in other countries they're much less inefficient about it especially in the poor countries and a lot of countries don't care about the environment the best economic sense is to just cut it down unfortunately
step by step my friend. we will solve those problems in the future. when we have enough food for everybody, hopefully there will be no poor countries. these things take times and efforts. just be positive.
there are still a lot of good in this world.
OR, we can just destroy everything in this world and live in a Mad Max world.
But now we can grow meat from cell cultures, and we live in a more dense urbanasing world. We have shrinking populations in most rural areas.
@@nurarief486 we do have enough food for everyone though, they're just not distributed to the poor very well, coz the poor don't have money.
yeah agree, but if you are following the technology, we now have companies like beyond meat that create animal protein using plants. Combined with vertical farming, i can see a very bright future here.
@@SandLion Also, cuz of human greed. look at North Korea, they have enough food for everyone, but not everyone gets it.
I do think out off all the innovations I’ve seen I think this done on large scale has the potential to solve the most problems
Close enough is right lol I would love to go to Wyoming!
That will b pretty hard as Wyoming doesn’t exist
Its nothing special man
I would be impressed when they start mass producing grains
With mass consumer adoption of a plant based and lab grown meat diet, global grain consumption would be drastically reduced.
Hopefully making that goal much more achievable!
@@renaudjacob1111 meat production is only gonna increase they already study probing it...and good luck making people switch from rice wheat and corn
"Loved the creativity in the transition at 3:56! You're so talented. 🔥
As an omnivore I'm highly excited about this!
My concern is what happens when all of the crops are reliant on being in tightly controlled and automated conditions, and something like a solar flare comes and knocks out our modern electrical grids and electronics. It's only a matter of time, and most countries need an overhaul to their electrical grids.
I think the better option is to focus on poly-culture growing paradigms that make the classic farm into more of a natural, hardy food forest. Also, we should actively incentivize people to grow food in their own yards.
Crops are already reliant on tightly controlled and automated conditions, we just do it on 2 dimensions instead of 3, and use pesticides and heavy machinery to maintain it. A solar flare would still render almost every farm on Earth useless, as the ability to maintain or transport any of our crops would be gone. It would all rot.
I agree we should all be given enough land on our properties to grow our own food. Unfortunately, most of us live in dense urban centers where that's fundamentally impossible.
hows the pollination works?
One of these was shown in a movie, and it was underground so we would actually much more land than we think
I don't see any wheat, corn, rice, potatoes, carrots, onions...
Are we only eating salad with berries and tomatoes in the future?
8:51 it ain't saving world hunger. It's just a clearner way to make those kinds of foods.
Hopefully this makes more space for rice, wheat, corn farms, etc.
@@TheLPRnetwork, maybe we could shift to short grain crops, like panic grass, chia, or amaranth. You could also breed grain crops to be shorter. They're probably that tall because they were selectively bred that way, either intentionally or not.
@@carsonrush3352 They are "that way" 'cos of sunlight. And yea they selectively outbred themselves due to the laws of nature that stronger survives. Also human influence ofc.
What will be amazing in the future is a no-till vertical farming setup. Lots of nutritional benefits from soil that you don't get with hydroponics, which I believe this probably is.
Lies and fear
Shut up! If you don't have knowledge of how to do it.