SUUNTO D5 vs SHEARWATER TERIC vs GARMIN DESCENT MK1 vs RATIO iDIVE COLOUR EASY | THE BIG REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Do you want a dive computer that doubles up as an everyday wearable watch, but don't know which one to go for??
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Big shout to Suunto Diving UK for the loan of the D5, Shearwater Research for the use of the Teric, Garmin for the Descent MK1, and finally to Liquid Sports UK, the UK distributor for Ratio Dive Computers, for the opportunity to put the Ratio iDive Colour Easy up against these heavyweights of the dive computer world.
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UPDATE 26th Sept 2019 - just been pointed out after nearly 11,000 views that I can't add up, and that the Suunto D5 performed better that the final score indicates at 15:48 mins.
Scores are:
Teric - 19
D5 - 15
Descent - 14
Ratio - 12
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UPDATE 26th Sept 2019 - just been pointed out after nearly 11,000 views that I can't add up, and that the Suunto D5 performed better that the final score indicates at 15:48 mins.
Scores are:
Teric - 19
D5 - 15
Descent - 14
Ratio - 12
How do you feel the MK2i would perform in the same test?
@@Chris-vk8do Sorry Chris - only just stumbled across this comment. It will 100% be way higher than the Mk1. If we ever get some normality back I will definitely be comparing the Mk2 and the Teric..!
During my research for a recreational dive computer, your video is really the best one I have come across.
A great comparison review. Thank you for taking the time to do this. A key issue you didn’t cover is the long term ownership of the sealed battery unit. Shearwater suggest a 5 year battery change which their dealers can do. Shearwater offer a 2 year warranty but Suunto warranty provides 5 years coverage for the pressure sensor which might help people like me decide having had 3 Suuntos fail all with faulty pressure sensors. In short please add in warranty coverage and battery change as after 300 to 500 charge cycles will mean a reduced capacity battery.
Noosa Mike a very valid point you raise. Thanks for taking the time to include it 👍🏻
Thanks for doing that review. It's really useful to have an unbiased comparison of these dive comps that's broken down like you have done so people can choose. I've got the Shearwater Teric on the way and look forward to using it. I look forward to seeing how the Garmin MK2 performs as I do many adventure activities which I think it's well rounded and nicely suited for.
Thanks for the really positive feedback - it’s always good to hear someone has appreciated the time put into a video like this - means a lot!
The Descent Mk2 is a beast - it’s like the Teric and Descent Mk1 have been rolled into one. Will be interesting to see where it sits in the market in a years time...
@@BlackMantaPhotography yes I saw your review of the MK2. Does look amazing. Certainly the world of wearable technology will have advanced a lot in a years time, but it’s at a very interesting place right now, making a lot of cool things possible. Keep up the great videos
@@ParisNorriss I’m most excited to see what the competition do next..!
The big brands are in danger of getting left behind unless they develop something jaw-dropping. The Teric was well ahead of its time, but as you say - an interesting place to be right now! For me the Mk2 is the one to beat, and can’t wait to see who steps up to the challenge!
Nice review Rich. To add to the D5 comments, I used it on lowest brightness settings in Cuba recently. It was good for a 4 dive day but needed to be recharged overnight. It would have been a stretch for anything more than 4 (it locks you out of dive mode at 20%).
Thanks Jon - much appreciated. I suspected that on lowest brightness settings you've get a full day of diving comfortably. I'm interested in the comment George left earlier today in that he gets around 4 to 5 days of teaching 3 dives a day out of one charge with his D5. I was starting to thing that maybe I had a defective battery if that's the normal battery charge span. Would be interested if any other users out there could share what battery life they get from their D5 and on what brightness setting they use?
0:00 Intro
4:07 Screen Brightness
5:31 Battery Life
7:47 Watch Straps
9:35 Navigating Menus
11:33 Dive Logs
13:20 Gimmicks & Extras
15:38 Final Results
18:17 Conclusions
Great video! I've been struggling to decide between these computers and this video gave a very comprehensive review to help me decide!
Hi there Eli - that's a really lovely comment to receive! Thanks so much for taking the time to let me know, and super glad to know it was useful in helping you to decide. THANK YOU!!
Thanks for this great review! It would have saved me much time a few months ago while I was struggling to chose between the MK1 and the Teric. I finally bought the Teric and I'm very happy with it. I made this choice because I already have a smartwatch in the daily life and then I decided to focus on the dive computer. The absence of air integration on the MK1 was a big issue and after reading a lot of comments on forums I was although not confident with the liability of this computer and the Garmin service which is said to be almost inexistant for this watch.
Hi Sin, thanks for the lovely comment - much appreciated. You know it's funny - before I actually went diving with these 4 DC's I totally loved the Descent. Loved the functionality, and all the features, but as soon as I got it in the water, and up against the D5 and Teric it just seemed inferior. As we've both pointed out the missing AI is a real issue in this day and age, and the screen for me was way too small. It does have some cool features on how you can flip the screen with a shake of the wrist to see different values, but at the end of the day a lot of the smartwatch capabilities just became gimmicky. GPS maps was cool, but too small to really appreciate it, and in all honesty something I'd never use.
Good choice on the Teric - totally fell in love with this, and 100% want one of my own now!
Your reviews and insights are fantastic, and this one helped me a lot about my next purchase I have been struggling to decide on. But after all those gadgets and tech I think you urgently need a microphone to step up the video quality game.
A short b-roll footage and better sound quality would add light years to your already quality content.
Thanks for the good review again!
Thanks Ali - feedback is really appreciated, and glad to hear the review has helped you to decide on your next purchase. Would love to hear how you get on with it.
I am actually using a microphone in this recording, and have many B-Roll examples through the video, but will try harder on the next one! Thanks for letting me know :)
Awesome informative and honest review. The view of the watch face underwater was really helpful as well. Thanks for such a good review.
Angelique Bodart fantastic - really glad the review was useful to you! Thanks for the great comment too 😊
Great comparison.
Clear and comprehensive where you can at last actually see the screens on an actual dive, as compared to some so called hands-on tests where they keep wiggling the DC from a nice and dry studio showing photographs of the product that you can find anywhere on the internet and reading the instruction manual on the clip.
Do you plan a big screen DC comparison like the Mares Genius, Quad, Perdix & Peregrine, Suunto Eon Core, etc?
Thank you for the video.
Thank you very much. Your choice of automatic translation made me very useful for your information. Thank you again
You’re more than welcome! 👍🏻
Great reviews man,keep it up good job.
I use shearwater teric for now and very happy with it.it has everything very much you need to know for both Rec and Tech.
Thanks for great Review .
Rafi Scuba Officials thanks for the positive comment - really appreciated 👍🏻
@@BlackMantaPhotography You very welcome Man.
Hi Mike, you’ve saved my €1000. I am a fan of the Garmin, but exactly your objections like air Integration and screen made me wait.
Today I forgot everything and wanted to go to the shop, but first I was viewing your video .... 🙃
However, I use the Suunto EON. Very visible and great to work with. So I think I will continuing using the EON and wait for the MK2.
macfarlake great to hear the review video was of use to you!! Pleasure to be of service.
I’m a big fan of the Suunto EON’s - I run a Steel for all my diving.
Wise decision waiting for the Mk2, although I’d definitely give the Teric a look. Fantastic bit of kit!!
Just looking at the specs on the Garmin I am reading that watch mode is 19 days and smart watch mode is 10 days so your results may have been about 50% of what was possible. That would likely have made the difference in your final results but I don't work for Garmin, ha. Great reviews and time spent here with your videos. Thank you for them!
Tony Koos thanks for the great comment Tony. Yes, you raise a great point ‘if’ you were just using it as a watch. True the Garmin is the only smart watch in the pack, so certainly does raise the thought of actually the battery would def last longer if you removed the smart watch function from the mix to level the field 👍🏻
Absolutely the best comparison of excellent DCs I've seen for a very long time, in particular of what he said at 16:30 min. It's just a matter of what the diver needs, e.g. for me, the Teric and Garmin doesn't make any sense, I'm not doing tech dives. However, the D5 is just perfect for me, great video 👍.
Cheers
Thanks for the lovely comment - really appreciate knowing the time taken to pull this together was worthwhile. It's hard to be non-subjective when trying to do a fair comparison, but there is huge value in realising you need the right tool for the job you're going to do. If you're just going to dive recreationally then the D5 is perfect, and at half the cost, I'd put the saving into actually going diving!
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Absolutely right, exactly that's the point. I've seen so many comparisons between these DCs during the last few months and none of them mentioned this point. Everyone is just talking about how much better the Teric is than the D5 but never pointed out that these two devices serve different needs. It was very worthwhile, very well done 👍.
Cheers
@@AtraxJoe you've made me a very happy man today. Really glad to hear that calling this point out made a difference. Cheers!
Fantastic review, thanks so much for posting this! A couple of key comments I would add. I would take into consideration whether the dive computer has a mineral or a sapphire crystal screen. For me, it's a disgrace that any dive computer comes with a mineral crystal, as it scratches very easily. Many cheap watches (timepieces) have sapphire screens, so there is no good reason why a dive computers at this price point should not. The second point is that if you are going to rank the computers based on extra-cost strap options, then it would have been fairer to the Ratio to mention that it has various different extra-cost add-ons that none of the others have, e.g. oxygen analyser, multiple wireless transmitters, tech capability upgrade.
Hi there - thanks so much for taking the time to leave a well thought out comment on the review video. Glad to you you found it useful too! Yes, you raise a really valid point on the quality of the glass. And yes, I also agree - the Ratio is actually quite ahead of it's time in terms of what it can really do. It surprises me that more mainline manufacturers didn't follow suit!
This video was incredibly helpful! Thanks
Manuel Veiga really really pleased to hear this! Glad it was of some use to you! 👍🏻
Great review:
I dive the Teric and think it's fab... but I use it for TEC backing up a Petrel. I dived a Suunto D6 for many years recreationally. A point worth making is maybe about the algorithms used. The Teric with its Buhlman algorithm with Gradient Factors is very adaptable to whatever type of diving you are doing. Buhlman is a recognised and well-documented Algorithm. The Teric can also quickly be switched between a recreation mode with NDL and a more aggressive algorithm to TEC mode.
The Suunto (as great as it is) is using an undocumented algorithm. I'm not trying to suggest this is bad and I will even say, that Suunto has a massive market share and this algorithm is well and truly tested. I would also suggest that unless you have a good understanding of Gradient Factors, a computer as adaptable as the Teric could get you into a lot of trouble!? Keep up the good work.
Thanks Graham, and a really good point you raise. The aim for this review for me was to highlight some of the basics that these computers offer, and it's fair to say that this was aimed towards the recreational market, as this must make up 95% of the scuba market. I know a lot of recreational divers that have DC's with GF based algorithms, yet use them in default settings that come as standard. Delving into this on the review would have made it even longer than it already is.
Great shout about the Suunto, but what I would say here is that Suunto have really pulled it out of the bag with their new RGBM Fused 2 model. They received a lot of flack over the years on the restricted NDL's, which are vastly improved with this new offering, and will certainly give the Buhlmann a run for its money!
Thanks for taking the time to leave a detail and thought through comment - very much appreciated!!
Watched video after video after video on watch sized dive computers. Wanted the Garmin at first but I waited...then found the Teric...then the D5...I've been back and forth between the three for months now but the Teric held the edge the entire time. After watching this video about 5 times I have made my decision and put a deposit on (add drumroll sound bite here)...The TERIC!!! Can't wait to finally get it in my hands! Got a killer deal on a brand new Teric and transmitter for about the cost of just the Teric retail. Very doubtful I'll be regretting this decision. 😄
Klemmson and you always need a drum roll before announcing a Teric!! 😂
Fantastic - absolutely great choice, and really pleased to hear that we might have played a small part in helping that decision with this video. Keep us posted with how you get on with it as always interested to hear people’s own views when out in the field.
Thanks for the great comment too - always great when people take the time to write a detailed contribution 👍🏻
@@BlackMantaPhotography All the videos I have watched by you guys have really helped from wetsuits to computers. This is one of the best wrist computer comparisons to date as far as hitting the highlights and features that are key. It was also very nice to see the comparison under water so I'm glad you did that. Keep up the good work, guys!
Klemmson ahhhh - that’s a really kind thing to say and great to know what we do is useful and appreciated by divers like us..!
This was probably the hardest idea to try and pull together - getting our hands on everything for the same trip was one thing, but the realisation of using all at the same time and trying to learn how they all used while away was something else altogether. Don’t even get me started on how long it took to record and then edit all of the content together!! 😳😂
In all seriousness though - really appreciate the feedback. It’s stuff like this that gives me the drive to keep doing videos like this. Glad to have you along for the ride 🙏🏼🤘🏻
Been toiling whether to buy the D5 or the Teric for the past few weeks. One of the most informative and thorough reviews of any product that I’ve watched on RUclips. As a new diver, watch enthusiast and gadget geek for me it was the teric at the beginning and the end of the video. Great video cheers 👍🏻
Gogs 92 I think that’s probably the nicest comment we’ve ever had to date! THANK YOU!! Really good to know it’s appreciated!
We posted a review on the Teric earlier tonight - make sure you check that out! And as I type I’m editing a video on the Shearwater Cloud app - that should be live tomorrow, make sure you check that out too!
Make sure you let us know how you get on with which ever watch/DC you purchase! 👍🏻
Black Manta Photography not a problem really enjoyed the video. I also considered the garmin but as you touched on in the video at that price point air integration should be standard. Soon as I read it lacked AI it was out of the running for me. I will check the cloud app review as I want to spend more time in the water and less time writing out logs!!!
Gogs 92 I know! Crazy for it to not have AI?!
Great - Cloud review will be up tomorrow afternoon. If you’re a subscriber, then make sure you have that little bell icon clicked to make sure you get a notification! 😊😊
Fantastic review mate! Made my choice, Teric it is.
Excellent Rod - glad you found the video useful! Thanks for the great feedback too - really appreciated! Teric is s great choice indeed!
In a bid not to confuse you, I'd certainly consider the Garmin Descet Mk2i - it's a pretty impressive bit of kit!
for technical diving it would be worthwhile to get the idive but not this model but the tech from utility the idive is good that is the altitude the barometer or the warning sounds in the dive work properly? Thanks for your time!
Good review -just that i find the battery life on my D5 lasts for about 4 to 5 days of teaching ~ 3 hours per day of pool time with Air Integration - i'll come back with the brightness setting - but it is bright!
Hi George, thanks for taking the time to comment. I'd be really interested to know what brightness setting you generally use, and would really appreciate you popping it into the brightest setting for a day to see how you get on.
I used all the DC's in the brightest setting as I wanted to make sure the screens were clear and bright on the video - the true brightness doesn't reflect through film otherwise.
Really interested that you're getting up to 15 hours of use from one charge, while I was getting low battery during the 3rd dive. Either the brightest setting is seriously battery draining, or I had faulty model?
@@BlackMantaPhotography - i completely forgot about this until yt notified me today - basically i run the DC in the brightest setting and it seems to be ok.
because i don't really wear it as a watch it does switch itself off when being left alone.
I am growing to like this DC more and more every day.
George Stanculeanu nice one - cheers George.
Good to hear you’re happy with the DC still.
Just bought a Suunto D6 to replace my Eon Steel. Already have a tank pod
Good work - let me know how you get on with it!
Tanks for the heads up om the these dive computers, D5 is going to be my first computer for now, I think the calculation in finalscore is wrong, D5 scored 3+1+3+3+4+1=15 not 13, and the Garmin Descent only 14
Brian Westergaard you are an absolute legend!! I can’t believe this video has been watched over 10,000 times and you’re the first one to spot - clearly paying attention!!
I have literally no idea how on Earth I’ve managed to miscalculated some simple addition, but your’re 100% right..!
Thanks for spotting and calling it out - I’ll put a not in the top of the description.
Thanks again!! 👍🏻
@@BlackMantaPhotography so which one is better than Garmin Mk2i or Suunto D5
@@joshbainbridge5086 just want to be clear on the question.
Are you asking which is the best out of the 4 tested in this review video, or which is better than the Mk2i..?
Out of the 4 in is review the Teric is the best - it has AI while the Descent Mk1 doesn’t.
However, if you’re going to include the Descent Mk2i into the mix then hands down the Mk2i over all the other 4 including the Teric.
@@BlackMantaPhotography no the D5 or mk2i
@@joshbainbridge5086 the Descent Mk2i is 100% the more advanced option over the Suunto D5.
The battery life, the dive capabilities, the features, the life manager aspects, the fitness and health features all dominate over the D5.
But the price is equally as different. The Mk2i is £1440 - the D5 around £550.
I followed your advice and spent some time watching this review today after watching your newer video.
You picked the four best dive computers in the market - perhaps I would had added the Cosmiq dive computer in the mix to see how it ranked against the other 4 - the Cosmiq is inexpensive but it offers a surprinsingly robust variety of features.
Interestingly you left out what used to be the old legacy brands of dive computers that ruled the market a quarter century ago -computers made by brands such as Scubapro, Aqualung, Oceanic, Mares, and Cressi, that are now "old tech" when compared to the models you picked - and I personally agree with your decision to leave them out because they are simply not as good as the ones you picked.
I guess my only critique would be that when you stated "at the end of the day these are just dive computers" it sounded like you may have missed the point Garmin is trying to make with its new MK1 Descent dive computer: this device is far more than just a dive computer.
The Garmin MK1 Descent has all the features of a 21st century dive computer imbedded in a life manager device that offers a formidable array of non-diving features that the other three models included in your study can't even come close to - they are galaxies below the MK1 Descent
The end customer could spend around $1K USD buying any of the other 3 dive computers and they would get a top-noch dive computer, or they could spend around $1K USD buying a Garmin MK1 Descent life manager computer that has so many features to aid your every day life, and on top of all that it has an outstanding dive computer product that exceeds the expectation when compared to most other dive computers in today's market.
I can see that the Teric dive computer has a better display than the Descent dive computer, but quite honestly that's about the only advantage I see the Teric having over the MK1 Descent, with the Descent having many more value features than the Teric does - step counter, heart rate monitor, quality of sleep monitor, altimeter, barometer, GPS, mapping, etc etc.
Now that Garmin is in the SCUBA market (since 2017) it wouldn't be surprising to see several computer brands folding and other SCUBA brands investing heavily in renovating their computer technologies to compete against the true technology leader in this product category - Garmin.
Mauricio Muñoz firstly, Merry Christmas. I’m not sure where you are in the world, but it’s just after midnight here in the UK and I’m yet to see Santa fly across the sky..!
The DC’s in this review video were chosen because I had so many people ask me how the Suunto D5 compared to the Teric and the Descent. I asked for some loan units for the review and they through in the iDive with it.
Scubapro and Aqualung are still making some serious units - I reviewed the Aqualung i770R last year, and have just returned from a trip reviewing the Galileo HUD from Scubapro - should hopefully have that review up in the next week or so.
There really is just so much on the market for scuba divers these days!
I couldn’t agree more with you - the Descent really is unique in its full capabilities as a life manager watch. As I say in the video, the categories I tested on were the ones in my head I could think of that were most important to me as a diver. Things like battery life, screen brightness etc etc.
The Descent performed well against all others as a dive computer, but as a smart life manager watch beats them all day long.
What would be an interesting review, and something I will look into doing, is comparing the Mk2 against other life manager devices when it is released.
I’ll also look into getting a Cosmiq for future videos. I’m not familiar with it, but will do what I can to add it into the mix for sure. 🤿
Mauricio Muñoz really looking forward to seeing what Garmin produce with the very much anticipated released of the Descent Mk2..!!! They have the potential to completely dominate the market!!
@@BlackMantaPhotography It's only afternoon on Dec 24th here in sunny California but Merry Christmas to you too and may you have an awesome 2020.
Mauricio Muñoz ahhh - what I would give to be in sunny California right now!! ☀️
All the best to you too buddy - let’s hope 2020 is a good one!!! 🤿
Awesome work, thanks very much
Amazing video, informative. Appreciate if you can do a review on Atmos Mission One!
Thank you my friend! I haven't come across the Atmos before, but will see if I can source one in the UK to get my hands on one! It looks fantastic!
I agree Teric is the better technical computer and I own one. But as a dive computer Ratio also has a mangetometer for detecting shipwrecks and also works as a oxygen analyser (Nitrox). I think these two are important to mention in the extras.
What separates Teric or any Shearwater Research computer for me is live display of Surface GF and GF 99. I don't know why other computers aren't showing your Surface Gradient Factor (the amount of tissue saturation you would have if you surface at that point of the dive). This information makes dives a lot more controlled and you start understanding GF low and GF high values are lot more as you dive. I don't think I want to do any technical dive without having access to this information anymore.
Thanks for the legit review. Take notes Simply Scuba.
Zach Strelkow that’s a very kind comment - really appreciate the support and feedback 👍🏻🙏🏼
I am from Egypt ... Just I want to say hello.
Thank you for the video.
mohamed talal hello to you and Egypt! 👋🏼👋🏼
Was your side by side NDL test over repetitive dives? I've found that the Suunto algorithm gives longer NDL on the first dive of a series vs a Teric on medium conservatism, but during repetitive dives the Suunto RGBM algorithm results in a much lower NDL times. In one case my Teric wasn't in deco while my Cobra 3 had 15 minutes of deco.
Team Peg Leg good question. The NDL was test was done on day 5 of a series of dives, with 2/3 dives a day. All DC’s were set to the most aggressive setting, or a GF of 93/93.
Remember that the D5 uses the new Fused 2 RGBM while other Suunto models will be using the older algorithm...
@@BlackMantaPhotography According to Sunnto, based on their presentation last year, RGBM 2 is only different from RGBM when you go into deco.
Team Peg Leg I didn’t see the presentation where they discussed this, but we were at the launch in Nemo 33. There was no reference that the Fused 2 was only differential in deco.
I’m a regular Suunto user, and I definitely found the newer algorithm to be providing longer NDL’s that the standard RGBM
@@BlackMantaPhotography It was at DEMA 2018, they even provided example profiles comparing the two.
Heads up guys, my GARMIN DESCENT MK1 just broke down. The heart rate sensor is super bright-almost can be used as a flashlight-and hot. The same issue happened to one of my friends' too. It seems there is something wrong with GARMIN's QA. I've sent an email to GARMIN last Thursday trying to figure it out, but nothing happened so far.
Thanks for the info! Keep us posted!
Great Review!
Thank you!!! 🙏🏼
Would the Teric be good for someone just getting in to diving? Someone that prefers to make a one time- long term purchase and plans on diving often on weekends year round. I understand it has great Tec features that are not needed for Rec. and not at that level yet but not ruling tec out for the future. Also the Teric and transmitter combo is only about $120 more than the D5 and transmitter in my area. I have heard no bad things about the Teric but have seen disappointed D5 purchasers. Thanks for the help!
Logan Crocker I’d recommend the Teric to any diver - beginner or experienced.
Yes it’s a significant investment, but it will last you for a loooong time. Although - one thing I will say is that Garmin are bringing out the Descent Mk2 soon (think it was imminent, but the Coronavirus has delayed it). I hear they have addressed the size of the screen and the AI issue - plus its a full on smart watch. If you aren’t in a hurry and can wait, I’d certainly wait to see what the Mk2 Descent has to offer...
Logan Crocker and no - you won’t ever hear anything bad about Shearwater!!
Black Manta Photography Thank you so much for the quick response! That’s what I was thinking about the Teric and since only $120 more then the D5 at that price range might as well go Teric. Over time it will pay for itself. I tried to find a release date for the MK2 but could not. Having fixed the AI issue makes me very intrigued! With the Coronavirus issues I have no choice but to stay dry and wait. I’m hoping Garmin says something soon. Anxious to get in the water with a new computer and keep learning. Cheers!
Logan Crocker no worries at all - glad to help! The Teric at only $120 more than the D5 is a really good price!! I’ll be honest with you - I’m hanging out for the Mk2 Descent personally. I loved the Mk1, but was just annoyed it didn’t have AI, but as I say, I’m informed this has been sorted. I think the original release date for the Mk2 was May 2020, but god knows when it will launch now. No point launching a new product to the market when no one is going going diving! I did do a more in-depth review on the Mk1 - will post below 👍🏻
Logan Crocker the Mk1 review. ruclips.net/video/rVAmNJVkPEg/видео.html
A garmin descent mk 2🙈 i just bought the mk 1 titanium yesterday😢 was that a mistake? Do you have information when the mk2 will come?
mickie christensen Hi, And thanks for the question! That’s a burning debate at the moment and almost impossible to answer. Some say there might be a Mk2 released at the end of this year, so some think possibly next year. Really depends on what forum you want to read.
Quite a lot of people are asking, but here’s a post on reddit that confirms my rumoured suspicions.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/scuba/comments/c1ey3a/any_info_regarding_garmin_descent_mk2/
Have you made a mistake - absolutely not. I loved the Garmin both in and out the water - but for me I would have liked air integration. Saying that there’s no guarantee the Mk2 will have it. Really tricky one to call...!!
@@BlackMantaPhotography thank you for a fast "answer" 😜 i hope i dont regret NOT waiting for the mk2 if it comes out soon.
Thanks for a good channel👍
mickie christensen haha... yeah, sorry I can’t give you a date of the release, but even Garmin don’t know (or haven’t shared it).
But thank you for the lovely comment - much appreciated and good to know people enjoy the channel 👍🏻
Have your reviewed the D5 after the DM5 release ?
Nice review. Which one is better for navigation with GPS for dive points on the sea?
Thank you - appreciate the feedback! The Garmin does a great job at pinpointing the GPS locations of water entry and exit. Great to see especially if you've been on a liveaboard. The Garmin Descent Mk2 should be out soon, and should be amazing!
@@BlackMantaPhotography thanks for your quick answer.
Is there any other smartwatch that gives the same GPS function as the Garmin?
@@joseazevedo5635 hmmm - to be honest I don't think there is? Although could be mistaken? Some of the Ratio dive computers have GPS, but don't have smartwatch capabilities. I'm actually struggling to think of any other smartwatch that is fully connected to your phone device and doubles up as a DC with full GPS. Many will have digital compasses, but not GPS.
If it's GPS you want in a smartwatch for diving, then 100% go for the Descent Mk1, or hang on for the Mk2 which is rumoured to be out soonish...
@@BlackMantaPhotography the problem with the Garmin is the price ... I wonder how it will cost MK2?
Please continue with your excellent work. I already subscribed your channel.
Cheers mate
@@joseazevedo5635 That's really kind - thanks so much for the support! If you're looking for a bargain then maybe wait until the Mk2 comes out. I expect the Mk1 to be reduced in price, although you then won't have the most up to date bit of kit - tough decision!
I can't really agree with suggesting the D5 at all, as it's basically just a D4 with a color screen and terrible battery life for 100€ more.
On the other hand I prefer the Descend over the Teric due to all the "smart/fitness watch" features over Teric. The software of the Teric is just too basic in my mind as you can't adjust much in the settings, but it is definitely better suited to Tec diving than the Descend. It also has a better screen as well as Air Integration (never used it so used to simple SPG).
So my suggestion for Watch style Dive Computers is:
entry-level: D4 (maybe used)
scuba and tec only: Teric
everyday smart/fitness watch with diving capability: Descent
Hi mik3ydll - thanks for the comment.
Let me explain my conclusion around this:
100% agree regarding your comment about the D5 battery, although I do think the D5 offers more than the D4 - not mentioning the new Fused 2 RGBM algorithm. A huge step up.
Remember, I'm comparing just these 4 watches as DC's only - I do reference that if you want a dive computer that does step count, fitness, GPS, music etc, then the Descent is absolutely the right choice - but as a dive computer I found it too busy.
Whilst AI is a relatively recent addition to DC's (I spent the first 10 years of my diving with my trusty SPG), it is absolutely commonplace now, and surprising for a DC that costs around £1000 not to have that function - give it a go, you'll be so surprised how great it is! When you consider what the Descent packs, you would think AI would be a simple obvious inclusion, and when I'm diving I want a large uncluttered screen which I found the Descent lacked - by hey, that's just my opinion.
As a DC, the Teric is miles ahead for me, plenty of customization, and certainly wouldn't suggest the Teric software is basic - not by a long shot.
I agree with most of your summary - if you're looking for an entry-level watch/DC then I'd look at the Suunto D4i - the latest model release looks fantastic, or the Oceanic Geo 4.0 (review on this landing on Sunday night) - great little computer and it's only £320.
Out of the 4 I'm reviewing in this video then the D5 is your best entry-level option.
The Teric is hands down the option for all types of scuba and CCR.
Garmin great if you do need a DC that doubles up as a fitness watch as it's the only one of the 4 being reviewed that could meet these demands.
But love a good debate, and always welcome peoples views. The world would be dead boring if we all thought the same.
What is your primary DC? Do you dive with a secondary back up unit at all?
Cheers!!
Amazing super comparison 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Thanks so much - I'm so glad you found the video useful!
whats the diference between mk1 and titanium mk1 ? only wirst band? thank you
Great question, and yes - you basically hit the nail on the head. The difference between the 2 is that the titanium version has the titanium strap and bezel. Other than that they are identical.
Thank you. Whole corpus made of titatium would be great
Would you make a review only for FREEDIVE computers or functionalities?
Let me give it some thought for when lockdown ends - free diving isn’t normally my thing, but I can see the benefit for a review 👍🏻
At 17:15 you mention size and say that the Teric is the biggest...do you mean size of the screen, the watch diameter, or the thickness? From the side view it looks like the Teric is the "smallest" of the four and the iDive was the biggest (opposite of what you said) but I'm looking at the thickness so I was thinking maybe you meant the diameter or maybe just misspoke?
Klemmson it’s actually quite deceiving but I meant the thickness.
From memory I think the Teric was about 18mm while the iDive was about 12/13mm.
Garmin is deceptively thick as it has the senor on the back for heart rate.
@@BlackMantaPhotography Really? Wow...it is definitely deceptive...when you pick them up together it looks like the exact opposite of what you said...The ratio looks like a little fat donut sitting on top of everything else. 😂
Klemmson 😂😂😂🍩🍩🍩
I see what you’re saying - but promise the iDive was definitely the thinnest..!
The fact the strap doesn’t allow it to lay flat might also contribute to it seeming a bit chubbier..? 🤷🏼♂️
Klemmson I lied - just checked...!
The iDive is 15mm thick.
The Suunto D5 is 16.5mm.
The Garmin Descent Mk1 is 17.8mm.
The Teric is 18mm.
BUT - I still had them in the right order 😊🙏🏼
@@BlackMantaPhotography Nice! Thanks for confirming! 🤜💥🤛
good review but would have liked to have seen some of the tests done in cold water with gloves on
Paul Pettitt very valid point Paul, and thanks for raising it. There are actually some plans for a spot of UK based product review for later this year, so will make sure I have the biggest gloves I can find!
Teric was tested and designed in cold water with gloves
The ratio computers require a much more expensive proprietary AI transmitter though right?
Neil Quinn yes, the Ratio DC’s do require their own Ratio transmitter. Current retail of these is £275 each.
Price of each DC should have been more a consideration than different coloured straps. Also the price of some of the Garmin straps is crazy so should have lost it points.
Next you do not mention how the Ratio iDive easy can be software upgraded the the Deep and to the Tec making it grow with the diver.
For me from my own research and this video Teric 1st, D5 might just edge the ratio but it would be close especially if a diver knows they will go into tec/deco diving later so possibly joint 2nd. The Garmin looses out more because of purchase price plus the lack of having the option to add pods for air integration later.
Of these Teric wins now I just need to see if my eyes can cope with the size of it or if I am better with the perdix/Petrel or Ratio ix3m.
ThorgrimB that’s fine and not a problem if you want to include price into your review.
You can include a myriad of options to range something, but for me these are the ones I wanted to focus on 👍🏻 Will be interesting when the Mk2 is eventually released...
ThorgrimB incidentally I LOVED the Ratio iX3M. Solid unit
@@BlackMantaPhotography Yes and my club/LDS sell them and one of the owners uses the ix3m, I just like the idea of user battery change on the perdix/petral.
ThorgrimB it’s funny, because I prefer having a rechargeable battery - I guess everyone is different.. 🤷🏻♂️ Knowing my luck I’d lose or forget the batteries! Saying that the Perdix is seriously easy to use. Only had the chance to use one on a dive trip a couple of years back, but understand why they are sooo popular..! You really have to take your hat off to Shearwater
I keep coming back to the Teric, but I just can't bring myself to pay over $1k for it
Hang on for the rumoured Garmin Descent Mk2 to be released. Heard it might be soon on various forums, and should be pretty special..!
100% worth it tho. Save up for it and do what all divers do.. splurge
How comes is the D5 almost $1000 now?! 😂 Was there a new version ?
I've just checked - you can still buy a Suunto D5 in the UK for around £500 new (about $686 using todays exchange rate). Woulkd be interested to know if the extra cost to you is through your retailer or whether it's down to customs / duty charges??
And no.... there hasn't been a new version of the D5...
@@BlackMantaPhotography Thanks for taking the time to answer!
@@pmiron you're really more than welcome...
update after 2 years?
I got the suunto D5 and totally hated it. Battery life was junk, watch totally unable to read under sunlight. Thankfully back light is always on during diving so there isn't a problem there. Software isn't good and unable to delete a log. Bad screen, bad battery, poor material.. not worth it.
Meowth the Garmin Descent Mk2 launches this year...
Now THAT I’m very excited about!!!!
@@BlackMantaPhotography Awesome! I am going to get 2020 limited edition teric. Iron man!
Meowth ah yes - I saw this! Looks pretty cool actually! Jealous!
so unfair batt life if you used garmin as smart watch!! - just playing on music track uses loads of batt life on say an apple watch /or forerunner garmin
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Yeah, it;'s the same with all of them - I use a Garmin Desecent Mk2i as my everyday watch so battery levels depend on so many factors. How bright my screen is, how many activities I do etrc etc.
The point of this review was to use them on the same even basis - i.e, only using them as a dive computer and for nothing else.
Scuba version of War of the Worlds? I'd sit through that.
Haha - what a brilliant description! Hope you found it useful!?
My idive never worked good . The assistance is unavailable and the products are garbage:
Don’t Buy
Great computers if you go curl up in your bed at home with charging capability every night.
I guess consumers have got used to charging their phones over night every day - I see these as a similar process. If I was away on a dive holiday and diving 4/5 times a day, I'd likely plug the DC in next to my phone to charge, although with some DC's you will get multiple days of diving in before a full charge is required.